These TINY Full-Frame Cinema Primes Are Excellent!! - NiSi Athena Lens Review
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
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Chapters:
Intro - 00:00
Creative - 00:34
Tech Specs - 01:17
Coverage - 03:55
Rear Filter System - 04:39
Close Focus - 06:22
Focus Breathing - 06:37
Sharpness - 07:03
Distortion - 08:41
Bokeh - 09:00
Flare - 10:38
Colour Matching - 11:12
Conclusion - 11:26
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It's so hard to pick from DZO/NiSi. Please, do a side by side with Vespid Primes, Athenas, Sigma Cine, and even maybe Sony Cinealta Primes (released with F5/55 - all metal ones), it would be the 101 lens review for the people entering the cine lens market!
I have the Vespids and was interested in these Nisi's. After watching the video, I would say they're fairly similar. I wouldn't obsess too much over which ones to get and just make a decision. It's a decent lens for the price point.
Vs xeen cf as well! 😢
Buy the Athena’s. You can get more looks and character in post than with the locked in look with the dzo primes. 👍🏻
Vespid is like cheap Cooke, very cheap. Nisi is like cheap Signature primes but not that cheap than Dzo/Cooke😂
Not only am I impressed with how well built they are with details and precision and great looks ' it's the functionality for getting the most bang for your buck out of them !
A powerhouse in each lense at an affordable price ! Aloha from Kauai ! I've been doing alot of research on what I want out of my cinema lenses and there are so many to choose from and I keep coming back to Nisi Athena for my choice along with everything else in their product line is really impressive! I'm planning on joining the Nisi family soon by hopefully going to work with you all in the near future! Thanks for the great video as this covered alot I was looking for !
I've been waiting patiently for someone to review this set. Thank you for being so thorough!
you guys are always so thorough and helpful, great content!
We know how bad the banding is on the B-Roll!! I've spent a few hours of trying to figure out how to make it look better, but RUclips isn't having any of it. I'm sorry, I wish RUclips compression was better :( Jake EDIT - These will not work with the KipperTie Revolva either. NiSi have noted that some of the Canon / Meike filters may not work with their system!
Dude I feel like its gotten worse, I spent an entire day trying to get a video to have less banding on RUclips and it never happened. It sucks spending all this time and money on stuff only to have sub par viewing quality on RUclips. Thanks for the video though I've been eyeing the irix 45mm but this is 200 cheaper so we shall see!
I've seen YT rolling out a paid / premium higher bit rate streaming feature, wondering if that means they've downgraded the existing quality. I've found uploading in Pro res can help and also adding grain - but not ideal for showing off lens image quality
@@EdProsser Are you kidding me!? This platform is getting worse and worse by the day. I already pay for premium but if they add another charge to that then I dunno. Yea I tried everything...grain...ProRes...It was a darker scene with sun shining on the subjects face while they looked out a window but the wall behind was darker and the banding on the wall was just so bad I had go back in and change the exposure to make the wall brighter which honestly kinda ruined the composition of the scene. Like if majority of our content is shared on social media but the platforms down grade quality its almost like unless you are making feature films for the big screen why both paying thousands of dollars for terrible viewing quality. I dunno im pissed now haha
I don’t see any banding viewing from my iPad Pro, maybe it takes time for them to let you watch in better quality after it’s uploaded to its server?
Thank you OP for pointing out with the edit that the KipperTie Revolva will not work with these lenses. Bummed out more thankful to have that information Jake, thanks again for saving me the time and troubles.
Finally a review for these lenses! Thank you!
thank god, i have been waiting for a decent review on these!
It makes sense. NiSi is considering future camera sales, so E Mount (Sony Alpha), RF (Canon Mirrorless/ RED), and Panasonic L Mount are the cameras being manufactured now.
Love the look of these, and I am SO glad you covered the movement of the rear element on the PL versions. I was just about to buy 3 that won't fit one of my cams...
Their website doesn't seem to say anything about this - maybe I missed it? It's kinda important to know. Thanks Jake and team!
Thanks for the review! Definitely interested in the Irix ones as well and how they compare
I've been eyeing on this lens for months now. I've been trying to find NiSi Athena video reviews and finally, a trust-worthy team has released this video. I am very interested which wins between DZO Vespids and these NiSi Athenas.
Same
Would love to see a comparison to the similarly priced Irix lenses.
I actually love that they went for sharp and clean instead of "character"! It's definitely something that was lacking in this price point and was sorely missed.
Another great affordable full frame Cine lens option. These are a lovely size and design, much classier looking than some of their competitors. I’d be really interested if they had as many focal lengths as DZO with those nice in between sizes like 40mm and 65mm. Perhaps if all goes well they’ll keep expanding. Thanks for the great video as always!
I currently have a demo kit of these from Nisi. I’ve been shooting a music video with them (actually 4 videos that sit in one short film). Really impressed with their performance. Super easy to use, extremely clean look but doesn’t have the yucky super sharpness that some modern lenses suffer from.
Which lenses with super sharpness do you refer to? Like, exactly which. I really don't know any in less than 8k ballpark.
Dealbreaker for me is that extending rear element. Dulen is a better buy imo since it has character wide open but more clinical stopped down and they’re smaller/lighter. Plus you can use them with a speedbooster aaaaand they’re EF mount swappable
The Dulens are very nice! I’m excited for the new models they’ve been teasing for a while now!! Jake
informative video thanks CVP
I really wanted to see you guys test it on the Ursa 12k.
Super informative!! Thanks
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching, Jake
Stunning colours for the jousting part of the video! Can these colours be achieved with the A1 or FX6? I’m smitten! Looks sooooo good.
Incredible performance for the price !
2 cvp videos in 2 days? Keep up the good work.
I would be interested in a comparison with DZO catta zooms
Please do an in-depth review about the new dzofilm tango servo zooms!
Love NISI since day one. Quality for the price.
Seems like the standout feature here is size. These look great for gimbal work. Impressive. If size isn't a priority then another option to consider at this $6k price point would be the Sigma Cine Zooms, which give you an 18-35 and a 50-100 at T2. Their breathing is worse but you'd have more focal length options, the ability to zoom and less time changing lenses. Just thinking out loud. Great review, as always!
Sigma's 18-35 and 50-100 are only S35, thus not exactly comparable to these NiSi Full Frame lenses. I think that the only Sigma Cine Zoom for Full Frame is the 24-35 T2.2.
@@andrew_nayes Great point. True.
I watched your helpful and good video, thank you very much!^^
Is it possible to connect with 4D DJI? Have you conducted any tests?
Could you guys please do a video about the drop in filters? Really curious about their quality nowadays
These look great! Any update on Ronin 4D review?
Excellent a s always and I appreciate that you do sell lots of lenses but in reviews like this it would be great to reference other lenses as a benchmark. Eg for sharpness most people will know the otus as pretty sharp so plus or minus that would be great just to know the ball park. Likewise contrast and general points like veiling flare. Nice great awesome controlled or any adjective helps dialogue flow but some kind of reference for calibration would really help. Oddly enough why someone might choose a lens might be personal but the specs and the look of a lens is absolutely not. Not least as manufacturers start out with an intention in design and i guess what we want to know is what is that intention specifically and how well do the lenses live up to that ambition. That measurement is usually down to physics and less opinion if they can be referenced to something approaching empirical or a reference we all might know or be able to get hold of easily. The chart work is great but nit easy to interpret practically. Thx so much for all the excellent work.
Hell yeah! I couldn't wait for you to come out with a video for these lenses!
Let us know what you think! Jake
@@CVPTV Just finished watching great job! Such an interesting lens set. Definitely need to get my hands on them for a test.
Thanks for watching! They are 100% worth checking out if you can!! Jake
Can you guys compare these to the Arri master primes?
Hi! Are you planning to make a DULENS prime set test like you did here ?
The 14mm also has a 77mm filter thread - I saw it in another video. Try it.
Question for Jake, do you think these will replace the Otus as your primary lenses for broll and bts for this channel?
Any way to use one of the available PL to EF Adapters to use those on EF-only cameras, such as the original Ursa mini 4.6k?
how do they compare vs Milvus lenses ?
and can i mix my Milvus lenses with this 25mm ?
Excited for the L mount version!
I would prefer EF version with EF-L adapter with slip in filters...
@@theshortlist Yes, I agree!
what's the rear-screw-on on the PL's like? do they take x-mm normal .75 filters on the rear?
Would these fit with the Revolva PL mounts for the ember and the v-raptor?
Please do a review of Tilta nucleus n ii
How do these compare with the IRIX lenses? I know they both do e-mount and are full frame (l want to attach them to an FX3), these look smaller and lighter though
How do these compare to the IRIX Cine Primes? Any preference?
For mostly talking head, and maybe some event/conference work, what would be the best focal length to start with?
I want PL version for my Fx 3
I hear from Nisi that 18mm and 135mm are on the way, but expect 135mm to be out sooner
Please review the Sony Cine Alta mkiis!!!!!
id love to see a comparison of these lenses to the Meike full frame offerings
Hmm, I wonder if the protruding rear will work on 35mm film cameras with spinning mirror?
Can you compare it with the meike full frame cine lens?
These look great - also they should still work with the Breakthrough Filters DFM mount!
Curious how these perform visually to the rokinon xeen CF
Hey, how do you know if they will work with the Breakthrough filters DFM mount? Can't find any specifications on how much the rear element protrudes...
@tijmenbrouwers in this video at 5:23 they have the specs. Looks like 25mm is the deepest, and bt DFM is like 27mm
Well done as always! Any Boosters work with them?
None that we tried, but we didn’t check everything! I do seriously doubt that any will work with them though tbh! Thanks for watching! Jake
Just got mine on Thursday...best bang for the buck award
How you finding them? Jake
@@CVPTV so far so good. Using them on my FX9. I’m coming from some older Rokinon Cine lenses, so anything will be better. I was looking for a lens that is sharp, good contrast, and neutral. These fall into that category. I really need to stress about build quality-they seem to have done a great job on this. Lastly, mine came with a case as well, it appears there will be another focal length coming judging by extra molded space in the case. Know anything?
@jamesbridges1107 Ahh awesome, yes these will be a big step up from those haha Glad to hear the lenses are holding up! I think it would be very safe to assume that there will be a 6th lens given the extra hole in the case, but nothing that I can confirm 100% yet! Jake
i heard the next one is supposed to be 18mm
@@TheNortical along with the 14mm?
Been thinking about these vs the Iris set. Does anybody have any idea which would be better?
Which PL - L / E Mount adapter are you guys recommend?
any idea when the rear filters will come out?
Those lenses look very promising. I‘m planning to use them on both the new BMC6K (L) as well as the C500 II (Pl). Do you know if that works considering the rear element moving out so much when focusing? Want to use their own PL adapter for L-mount for the Blackmagic. The native PL mount of the C500 II should work by nature right?
Yes PL to L mount adapters will work fine, it's only Speedboosters and drop-in filter adapters you should worry about! PL on C500 II should work fine. Jake
Please do a DZO vs Nisi video :)
Can u use these with BMPC 6k since these lens extend from the back too thx
Since you're a shop, perhaps you can test this and let us know:
Are there any PL mount adapters that will clear the rear elements in order to use a mount based ND or vND system?
EG: Mofage Poco or Kippertie Revolva. EDIT: Okay, in the video you explicitly state that the Poco doesn't work. I really with Nisi would've figured out how to separate the two.
Yes, I know the mirrorless versions of these lenses have first party filtration option. I'm specifically looking for solutions for the PL mount version of these lenses.
These are better than the Arles I feel!
Does it work for the camera with EF mount
What camera was that at the end?
show us some footage with the ronin 4d
Would you pick these or Zeiss Otuses lenses? I was hoping to see a test between glass. Thanks for the review!
We have been thinking about grabbing a set of these to go along with our Otus for when we want something smaller and with the rear filtration. I however would still pick the Otus if budget was no option. The NiSi's are much more affordable, unless you are looking at Used Otus. Jake
@@CVPTV Good to know. I own all the Otuses (excluding the 100mm) and Batis, and was considering replacing them, but it seems like the consensus is the Otuses are still superior. Thanks again, love all the work y'all do.
will they work on alexa 35? or hit the ND?
Can the RF mount NiSi Lenses be used with the breakthrough RF DFM mount? I know it's strange to have a rear drop in filter on the lens and then put it on a drop in filter mount, but Im using other lenses also that don't have the drop in filter. Just want to make sure there won't be any issues.
I received word back from NiSi that the Athena RF Lenses will NOT work with the Breakthrough Adapters "because there is interference between the back of the lens and the filet in the adapter."
any kind of weather sealing on these?
okay so I looked at the extended rear and it doesn't look like they would work with the poco pl adapter but I saw that you guys were using that exact combo in the new sony cameras video?? so do they work together?
We only used the 25mm with the Poco. Jake
can I use my Meike drop in filters with these? These would be perfect for me.
Yes I believe you should as the Meike filters are based on the Canon standard design! Jake
When is the review for the Free-fly Ember coming? I'm w8 for 6 months :))
Soooon! Jake
Is the hard stop at infinity anywhere near infinity?
Wish they had a 75mm, but a 50mm on my aps-c camera is 75mm adjacent, so close enough I guess!
What's the camera you're using at 1.30? Can't seem to ID it!
It's the Freefly Ember! Jake
Would those lenses be usable on a Ronin 4D ? (I mean with the gimbal on and all the features, with or without the Z-Axis... Obviously I know you can use whatever if the gimbal is locked off and you use a lens support thingy)
Yeah they should. Jake
Would these lenses work on the new BMCC 6K FF? Thanks in advance
Yes, you would just need to use an L to PL adapter as they current,y don't offer them in L mount. Hopefully this is something NiSi can work on! Jake
Any news if the L-mount version will have the drop in filter option? That would be great, and shouldn't cost them much more
I will ask NiSi, but I would presume they would! Jake
Was considering the PL drop in adapter but the protruding rear element made that not possible so this would be great!@@CVPTV
At the latest BIRTV exhibition in China, NISI confirmed that the L-mount version will have the drop in filter.
@@BodenQi Thanks!
So, due to the rear element extension, is it impossible to mount these to EF?
Yes thees will not work on EF. Jake
Their marketing it with the line "Micro contrast control" how does that translate into IQ?
I would've thought that they actually made something like Arri where you can change the Charakteristik of the lens via a rear filter, but guess not.
I would check out this Zeiss article about Micro contrast. lenspire.zeiss.com/photo/en/article/micro-contrast-and-the-zeiss-pop-by-lloyd-chambers Jake
Nisi Athena VS DZOFILM Vespid prime , which one better for features? bteer in terms of image quality , colour rendering & build quality !
Good question. Also, which one has better character?
Check out our comparison including the DZO here - ruclips.net/video/O4fUvXR2tgI/видео.htmlsi=HVUTqX2aR40tCC9M The NiSi Athena were not out then, but you can compare to this video and hopefully understand the difference a bit better. Jake
@@CVPTV Saw this long back but I think Vespid is the best in current market
If they make an 18-75 id be so happy
OMG wish these were also made for EF. Any chance of that happening?
I doubt it. I think thats why they did in PL for the flexibility
@@binaryinfections yeah, i doubt it too. Time to adapt all my cameras to PL then lol
im on the same journey! I own FX6 and Red Komodo so PL is best for me @@chrisnguyendop
Not a chance, rear optical formula would not fit in the EF mount.
what is that camera at 12:16?
Would I be able to use these on the new black magic l mount camera? I know there’s been some issues with the pl adapters?!
NiSi will be creating L mount versions, I would suggest grabbing those. Jake
You are my hero ❤❤
If the PL versions didn't protrude in the rear when focusing, they'd be an absolute no-brainer. So, DZOFilm Arles it is.
which three would you buy first?
25, 40(or 50) & 85mm, Jake
There are an 18mm and 105mm are in the pipeline
Have you ever compared her with Meike FF Prime? Is there much difference between them? Or Irix...
After watching Jake's review, I think I will choose those meike ff over these nisi athena.
We haven't directly, but the BIG difference between the Meike and the NiSi is the colour difference between the Meike lenses. I suggest watching this (ruclips.net/video/O4fUvXR2tgI/видео.htmlsi=HVUTqX2aR40tCC9M
Lens Review Playlist - ruclips.net/user/playlist?) and comparing the results of that video loosely with this. Jake
@@CVPTV Thanks! I attended. Really, the difference between the Meike 85mm and other Meike lenses is strange. A very negative point. The Meike Prime S35. What do you think? Since my camera is the X-H2S, I don't prioritize FF lenses that much, even though I have some. I've been researching this price range and quality: Meike Prime S35, 7artisans Vision and SLR Magic. Have you tried these yet? The first difference between them, in my case, is that the Meike Prime S35 doesn't have an x-mount. Unlike the other two. I've been researching a lot to know which cine lens to choose. The "character" of Meike Prime FF enchanted me. I really liked it. But I have seen criticism and praise. This difference from the 85mm is something I saw on another channel as well. And the Irix looks pretty good too, but with less kit options.
When will the l mount come out? e weeks or more like 2 months?
I will ask NiSi. Jake
did you find out?@@CVPTV
So it wouldn't be wise to buy the PL mounts due to the rare end of the lens extending way too much?
They will be fine with regular PL mounts but may have issues with filters built mounts as shown in the video. Jake
They don't work with the new Red END PL mount or Metabones Speed boosters.
I’ve seen the lenses, and the ones where you can either put drop in filter or screw on at the back, they all already have a clear glass included, so that when you swap them out for a specific filter it doesn’t affect the back focus too much.
Would they fit sony fx6 with plmount
Absolutely! Jake
No EF? :(
Me not knowing about the Freefly Ember: that looks like a pretty cool little camera, I wonder how much it costs
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Our review is in the works! Jake
@@CVPTVI’m excited!
does autofocus work with them?
No these are manual focus only! Jake
I believe it was 135mm coming whilst speaking to them
It's great to see #Nisi has got it right the first time with their new cinema lenses, unlike #Cooke that kinda shames itself with their latest SP3 series that got so many things wrong but still demands the premium price. LOL
The waitlist is already forever and now you let out this well known secret 😂
What you mean?
@@Dezdirectz these sell so quick that the factory can hardly keep up.
Bought the whole set of this lens due to the reviews. Regretted it, the color shift is more than 200-300 pts in terms of white balance, but what's worst is their bokeh, though there's not much onion ringing, their bokeh is so dirty, looks like it has cancer. But really depends on what you're shooting, if you're shooting outdoors with no bokeh balls, then you'll be fine. As always, YMMV.
What doe s 'bite up' mean?
Get sharper. Jake
the extending/moving rear element is a non-starter for me.