Doctor who fans: hey the Daleks have been pretty overused and underwhelming so maybe not use them for awhile (One season without Daleks) Same people: omg this is so boring bring the Daleks back
Hey, folks! Sources are in the description and please watch through to the end =) EDIT: I'm seeing a running theme in this comments section. People clearly aren't watching the whole video. If you want to hear my break down the CRITIC'S score of 93% for 'Doctor Who' then watch 15:06 onwards, because that score is pretty suspect as well.
it's funny now everyone points to the Rotten Tomatoes score when it agrees with them, and calls it irrelevant or say it doesn't matter when it doesn't. Everytime... Remember this carefully; you're allowed to dislike something with a high RT critic/audience score. You're allowed to like something with a low RT critic/audience score. You're allowed to hold any opinion you like without needing it validated by other people. In fact, I hope everyone here is mature enough to understand that your or anyone else's opinion is an opinion and a number on a screen or a little cartoon popcorn image isn't going to change that... Rotten Tomatoes has been demonstrated time and time again to be a pretty bad and exploitable system, so can we please stop using it to justify or discredit an opinion??
Exactly I mean, I loved the paranormal activity films and the unfriended films, even though I know they are not for everyone and I'm not really that interested in watching Game of Thrones at this moment in time.
Bad distinction. People criticise the critic reactions. Usually people back up the audience reactions. Nice try but you're looking too hard for hypocrisy.
@@shane55pwnt well yeah that's fine, the first paragraph I was talking about the critic score in particular. The second paragraph was talking about attitudes in general of the website as a whole
Finally someone said it, very well constructed video. The audience score shouldn't be a petition. It's supposed to just represent how likely someone would be to enjoy something. It's not even supposed to be a 100-star system. The evidence that channels like Nerdotic and other channels never mention is all the comments on those videos saying "The percentage is at this much, let's see how much we can drag it down!" That's not criticism. And anyways, 90% of those reviews were made when the first few episodes aired. So all the "evidence" that Nerdotic tried to provide just doesn't work. (Already addressed in the video but I think it works as a way to counter all the bad reviews for the finale) So yeah, the Rotten Tomatoes Audience score is constantly being targeted by tanking and trolling instead of valid criticism. It's just blind hate. Critics aren't these evil secret societies banding together to push SJW agendas (whatever that even means at this point). People really gotta see more than just numbers appearing on screens.
That's why I really like your vids! You are looking at things objectively and I feel that this is a skill a lot of people either don't want to bother with, or a skill they don't possess. It's fine that Nerdrotic doesn't like S11 but his aggressive narrative and the contradictions in his vids really suggest that either he's just trying to generate views by hoping for heated debates on his content, that he himself is pushing an agenda, or that indeed he believes that his opinion can only be the one true narrative out there and that any view that differs from his is invalid. Personally, I think it's truly sad how people feel the need to push a certain narrative about entertainment of all things, and how passion can lead to what I would almost call fanatism. That said, it's great to find youtubers like you who are able to present things with a certain sense of level-headedness. :)
Nerdrotic doesn't have a single video that is not negative. They exist only to complain, no positive criticism whatsoever. At least guys like The Critical Drinker will do positive reviews of stuff
The interesting thing about Drinker is as follows: From what I've seen, when he likes something he is able to give insightful, genuine reviews of the things he likes; ie it shows that he has some level of competency in basic media literacy. However, when he dislikes something he specifically sticks to the same four talking points: "Modern Audiences", "Strong Female Character", "Identity Politics", and of course "THE MESSAGE". Shame really, because it seems he is even more obviously than most pandering to the mob mentality because he's displayed comprehension ability above most like Nerdrotic & Bowlestrek.
Finished! Thanks for this. I attempted to address this issue in a review for Downthetubes but you certainly put the effort into the statistics! My main concern is the far right politicisation of fan criticism which you have steered clear of, probably wisely. Then there is the total irony that everything that they accuse others of they themselves actually do. So, whereas professional reviewers are not paid on the basis of whether their opinions of a show are positive or negative, these vloggers earn more income the more extreme and negative they become.
Yes, imo It's the whole earning money off the hating thats the issue. They feel to keep the audience they have to keep on being more and more extreme in their views.
I can't believe that I ended up watching this again but it is still a masterpiece. At least Rotten Tomatoes finally tried to address the problem when Captain Marvel was released.
@@quietdemon8138 Yeah I agree! I still havent got that moment of Jodie as the Doctor for me and I think it's down to the writing not her. Loved her in Broadchurch, I feel like the doctor is a secondary character in her own show
@@mahfuzurchowdhury2765 Can't really blame him when knobheads like Bowelstrek, the Sun, Nerdonic and others out there making up tons of bullshit rather than provide legitimate criticism for actual faults of the series. Bowelstrek going on about white people genocide when the program wasn't even about that and he openly admitted to not watching it so he can't give actual thoughts when he's just adding his own bs to it. Plus I hate series 7 but still find a few positives in there
Here's the thing. Jodie isn't my favourite Doctor -- I'm a grumpy old bloke, and Capaldi is a tough act to follow -- but I really enjoyed some of her performances, and some of the episodes. The music was awesome throughout, and the character interactions were riveting and absorbing. There were good episodes and bad episodes; good performances and bad performances. You know, like it was a season of Doctor Who or something.
Yeah. Seriously, even the Russell T Davies series has some stinkers. Like the infamous "Love and Monsters", or the kind of disappointing and somewhat goofy at times episodes, involving the Dalek Sec hybrid.
The fact alone that we have come to a point where Rottentomatoes aggregate scores are the battlefield for 'culture wars' these days says how pathetic this mess has all become. I say leave them to it, it's the only place they get to feel empowered.
@@loserwoman87 Oh indeed they do, they think Rotten Tomatoes has it out for the DC EU. NEWS FLASH! Who has partial ownership of Rotten Tomatoes?! Warner Bros, who also own DC. Yeah if there really was such a conspiracy like that why the hell would they attack movies from their own studio?!
@@SamyulDavis I think this is more "politics" than fandom. The vast majority of them are upset about "forced diversity" "SJW agenda" the "misandry" "left-wing propaganda". I doubt most of them actually are fans of the show.
While I’m still not a big fan of series 11, I do think people are being too harsh on it. Out of the 11 episodes of series 11, I thought 3 of the 11 episodes were good, 5 of the 11 were meh (not good enough to be good, not bad enough to be bad) and 3 of the 11 were bad. Even though series 11 is my least favourite series of the new series (man, I said series a lot) I think that the rotten tomatoes score was bombed with negative reviews and negative scores. I think that the most accurate score for series 11 we can get is the score before rotten tomatoes was bombed which was from 45 to 55% as it should what I believe most people and fans felt about series 11. Average. Thanks for explaining this to everyone. Could you talk about the animated reconstruction of The Macra Terror and the confusion about The Wheel in Space Amazon DVD.
Rotten Tomatoes is a weird beast, especially considering that the Ollowing was hated by critics but loved by the audience. Especially by the Star Trek fans who hated Discovery and thought Ollowing is more faithful to classic Star Trek.
@FallofEleventh, as an impartial observer, I think you seem to be the one who doesn't understand "opinion" or respecting others. Agree or disagree with Thomas Williams, it was obvious he was expressing an opinion, and being less rude about than you.
Personally to me a Rotten Tomatoe is something you find on a green grocer's floor. I wonder if many people like me who loved series 11 are too busy rewatching on the iplayer to be bothered to post a positive review; so in a way I am guilty of assisting the negative vibe! As you hint at any review is in fact a useless commodity but we still take a peek either for validation or to honestly get another perspective.Sadly to me at least some reviewers are so 'strange´ I cannot trust them eg.the guy who droned on endlessly about Peter Capaldi´s Oxygen story being a blatant attack on Western Capitalism! I have never returned to that site for the fear of fueling twaddle .I hope the latter was merely clickbait because a real belief in such statements would be the RUclips equivalent of a crayon written message hurled over an asylum wall.
Sadly, S11 is the worst I have seen. My son also thought it was utterly boring. From Doctor Who mad, binge watching the entire Who back catalog to asking "how long is left" on every episode of S11. He hasn't even opened the 2019 annual. Possibly the only show holding my licence fee, not any longer. My sons and my view of the show, not based on anyone elses. A video slagging off RUclipsrs opinions? I was hoping for a Doctor Who channel going by your name.
Chirn70 I have twin 7 year old girls, and they are just the same. They love Doctor Who with a passion, but S11? Nah they hated it. In my house, Whittaker (a woman who supposedly is of the opinion she’s given little girls a role model) is known as ‘that boring woman’ by my two little ladies, along with my wife who’s prolly an even bigger Whovian than I am! I’m glad to see there are others with kiddos able to appreciate S11 is lacking in anything entertaining! This season has been a total let down for _everyone_ that’s for sure.
He never slagged off RUclipsr opinions, he has a right to his opinion, MrTARDISReviews doesn't have a problem with that, he has a problem with changing facts to fit your agender hence why this video was even made in the first place. And when the subject of whether or not his content is Doctor Who content gets brought up, I mean, how? This IS a video about DOCTOR WHO rotten tomato scores, the other month he had an official DOCTOR WHO director helping him with his incredibly well made and incredibly positive analysis of Dalek
@@necrojohnny1646 well no quite a lot of people weren't let down, I wasn't, MrTARDIS wasn't, there are loads of young girls out there who have Jodie as their role model so just because your kids don't, doesn't mean it isn't a thing. Your kids can have their opinion btw, but I'm just saying if I became a parent and was happy with the fact that my kids can hate a piece of media rather than find thhe good points in a piece of media I'd be pretty upset, there is a lot to like about series 11 so even if you didn't think it was the best, appreciate what it did right, no piece of media is perfect, but no piece of media is 100% flawed
Rotten tomatoes is bs definitely. Nerdrotic does point out other things like if you don't count the first two episodes of series 10 and 11, series 11 has much lower ratings. I watch nerdrotic because he is passionate about his fandoms. That's good enough for me.
I must admit I have given up on watching his videos after the second try because in my view he is indeed mixing too many contradictions into his narrative, and to me being passionate just isn't enough. No matter if we like or dislike something, I believe we should be able to look at certain things (like the general reception) as objectively as possible, and Nerdrotic doesn't do that at all. Still, we all are different and it's fine that his fans like his vids - it's them he is making them for after all :) - as long as they know how to put some things he says into perspective. But I'd like to know because I haven't seen that particular vid you mention - and assuming with ratings you and he mean the viewership numbers - where S11 had lower results than S10? Because unless you only look at the seasonal special, at no point and for no ep did that take place. Or did he mean the AI? Thanks in advance for responding. :)
@@warmlycalculated390 He certainly seems to be, yes. Although his earliest vids don't really show these tendencies so I'm not quite certain if he's really convinced of it himself, or if he simply noticed that being aggressive sparks discussions and thus means interaction for his channel. Because his earlier vids have only about 1000 views, yet when he started with click-baiting and aggressive "reviews" his clicks went straight up. So I am sometimes thinking he might even just act like an Anti-SJW troll simply to gain clicks and attention. Just my personal theory though. :)
@@ayamira8589 I heard a debate between Destiny and anti-SJW moron TheQuartering, and he pretty much just admitted he doesn't believe half the garbage he spews because "dude, it's youtube" tacitly admitting so much of it is just a dog and pony show. I don't think that he and Nerdrotic realize how much damage they're doing to the world (especially niche fandoms) by spouting neoreactionary BS. I know people who voted for Trump merely because they thought he'd "stop radical marxist non-binary feminists from poisoning video games." I really wish I was joking.
Nerdrotic isn't someone I can personally watch because his passion apparently means destroying a whole season of Doctor Who, I get its not perfect, I get he may not like it, but its competent writing and should not be getting this much hate
Glad you did this video! I only watch you, afterbuzz tv and council of geeks for doctor who reviews. Other than watching my favorite doctor who reactors. I generally stay away from people who just want to be negative for no reason. Keep up the great work!
Interesting... The divide has certainly grown. As for the series itself, I enjoyed it, but understand why others may have not. Rotten Tomatoes is good to me as well, and are a pretty fair reviewing source, as compared to some others.
If you look at those audience reviews most of them are actually well argued so still even before Nerdorotic video RT score was pretty low as for Doctor Who. I hate that those channels are doing 100 videos on this topic but they are not completly wrong with what they are saying.
PikaCinema the majority of one star reviews go one for paragraphs. The majority of 5 star reviews say absolutely nothing. It is clear to see which are given by fake accounts. Also many of those 5 stars are not counted because they are suspect.
Actually some of them are it depends whether there is a flag by the review or not. But I mentioned the one star and five star ratings in my comment anyway.
There are also alot of 5 stars that have nothing either. It is more likely that a review with nothing in it is not going to be counted whether 5 star or one star.
Gee, so if I genuinely did not like the season, should I NOT run to rottentomatoes and give my negative review because "it would just be playing into the nefarious hands of fans who are determined to TANK the show *for some reason*"? Where, oh were, can I express my honest opinion? And just as you criticize Nerdotic [sic?] for not providing evidence for things he is saying.... where is YOUR evidence of the disparity between critics and audience being that the audience is primarily a dishonest bunch out to tank the show?
@@MrTARDIS Ah, but since nobody is collating youtube reviewers, I wouldn't exactly be casting my vote toward anything that would add to the cumulative public reaction. Why should I be limited to youtube while critics can continue on rottentomatoes? Seems you are biased towards what THEY have to say, no? Why not advise them to post only to youtube instead? Then you could take apart their videos like the other guys (who made them) who you don't agree with.
@@anthonyastronomer7829, the reviews don't have to be collated. Why do you need to justify your opinion amongst the opinions of others? Are you so insecure in your opinion you can only express it with the backing of an echo chamber? Also, the second half of your comment has just devolved into sentences with zero meaning. You are creating pure strawmen.
@@MrTARDIS I'm the first one to rally against both preaching into an echo chamber and creating straw men. If you didn't understand or accept something I said, then I'm sorry. I first asked if it was wise to contribute an opinion which MIGHT be ignored as simply joining the chorus of an echo chamber, rather than seeking to contribute an honest and original critique? I don't know if it IS an echo chamber, because it isn't constructed like facebook where you choose your friends and fb presents you material based on what you click on. Now, if we were comparing review two review sites where one was created by an unapologetic hater of anything fictional, and formed a group of like-thinking people, then if they unanimously bashed something like DW then you'd be right to call it an echo chamber, as you would if the other site was created by The Pyrodonians of Princeton and gave it high marks. There is no such dilation (or an obvious or provable one) on rottentomatoes, so dismissing it all as an echo chamber with no merit is not intellectually honest. Where have I justified my opinion, other than when I compared season 11 to Hinchcliffe's era (where I cited the words of Moffatt as evidence of the latter's merit)? I'm simply trying to salvage the ratings OF OTHERS from being summarily dismissed as you seem to be doing. I wonder what YOUR motivation for doing so is, what you hope to accomplish by making your video? That everyone will realize there is no way for us to independently arrive at whether or not the populations likes or dislikes something, unless THE NETWORKS THEMSELVES (with their infallible alternative methods to which we aren't privy) simply dictate to us what they've made is either marvelous or shite?
@@anthonyastronomer7829 Seems like this guy just misrepresents everybody. I watched one of his videos and out of nowhere he goes on about if a specific episode was written by a woman in 2020 people would hate it etc. Also every time he brought up a counter argument that somebody would make he would strawman them.
Look my biggest problem with this channel isn't that you like series 11, it's that you fail to admit that maybe others didn't as much as you did. It's fine if you enjoyed it but these scoring sites are showing a passionate swing in only one direction from the audience. I'm not seeing many Whovian coming to the rescue. And the ratings cannot be ignored. Dropping at a weekly rate and a below average for a special. Series 11 certainly wasn't the worst thing on the planet but there are certain changes which need to be made which can't be ignored. Lest we forget the Capaldi ratings were due to a number of people disliking the way Moffat ran the show. I subscribed to you for your quality content at the time but nowadays most of it is just ignoring a problem which persists and trying to call out those criticising it. Somewhere there is a middle ground which can be met and its not going to happen by ignoring what could potentially be half the fan base.
I've said time and time again that I understand some of the criticisms against S11 and that I even agree with many of them. Go back and watch my reaction videos to 'Arachnids in the UK', 'The Witchfinders' and 'The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos'.
@@MrTARDIS I'm not necessarily talking about that. I'm talking about the pretendance that the majority of the fanbase live the new series and that the ratings are not worrisome.
@@shane55pwnt, I've never said that the majority of fans love the series or even inferred that. Also, the figures aren't worrisome. They're the best in 5 years (NYD special aside, but all figures were down this holiday season)
@@MrTARDIS The figures started out as the best in 5 years, this is the part you keep ignoring only idiots believed the new series was going to start off with poor ratings. People wanted to see the monkey dance. However within 10 episodes the ratings have decreased by over 4 million. This is only going to go down from here. Very few people are actually hyped for the next series. You have the general public (the majority) who by all indications thought the series was OK, and half the fanbase who seemingly dislike most of what Chibnall did. You're seeing this in the holiday special. It honestly doesn't matter that other ratings were down, Doctor Who could have been the exception yet it was not. People are losing interest in the show. With a 2020 release date, it's only going to be less hypes up. It is indeed worrisome. You can't ignore these figures and blame it on people not watching (because that's exactly the problem). This special has had 7 days just like the other episodes. In an era of catch up TV and the first episode in Chibnall's era to introduce a classic monster, no less the Daleks, this should have been a ratings darling. It was never going down to Capaldi ratings this year but you can be damned sure it will do very soon if things do not change. We can't just ignore the audience reactions or the ratings. Otherwise we're just asking for cancellation.
@@shane55pwnt, no the viewing figures for S11 started out as the best in 10 years and S11 ended with the best in 5 years. And yeah, there was a 4M drop, but S1 ALSO had a 4M drop. I even broke down the % drop in my last video. Series 1, Series 5 and Series 11 had the biggest % drops of any revived series. Perhaps by sheer coincidence, those are new Doctors with new Showrunner series. And you saying that there isn't much hype for S12, that is pure conjecture. There is no way to actually prove or measure that. But your language ("see the monkey dance") indicates you likely hang out in circles where people aren't hyped for S12 so that is your perception. Whereas I know lots of people who are hyped for S12 and don't like waiting a whole year. Perception and subjectivity are at play here.
At the end of the day, it’s all about how much money the BBC can make off the new doctor. During Christmas, my book store was stocked with Doctor Who books and toys from every doctor but the ones that were selling out were the 13th Doctor’s so I hope that’s a sign that the new series is popular.
No it isn't! The BBC is a public service broadcaster! At the end of the day, it has been criticized for commercial activity and for making shows that have no redeeming quality eg Changing Rooms and The Voice!
What really kills the "critics are being paid off to give series 11 positive reviews" arguments is that bad budget excuse usually used to defend Classic Who outdated effects. If a show doesn't have a good budget for decent production then they definitely won't have the money to pay people off for positive reviews.
@@Totterslane222 That's a bold statement. Do you have an actual source on it, or are you just repeating the same baseless claims everyone else has been spouting without thinking it through? Seriously, is it really that implausible that some people, even critics, just enjoyed it??
@@Totterslane222 You mean the new lead actor changing is what the brief summaries that barely represent the full reviews focus on? It's like the lead actor is the most important factor on any TV show or something. I don't really understand how any of this means the critics are being paid. They're being paid for somewhat positive reviews? Yeah, most of them are based on the first episode, and the first episode is when we establish the new Doctor. Of course that's going to be the main focus point! Why wouldn't it be? And if the critics liked the new Doctor, based on the first episode, naturally they're going to praise the first episode. It makes perfect sense why they would praise it. To call it the "best thing to happen in the series"? Yeah that's an exaggeration but people exaggerate at the start of the new season all the time. These very RUclipsrs are saying this is the "downfall" of Doctor Who. That it's "the worst it's ever been". Is that not the same thing? What you're looking at is a natural result of hype culture. People who are really excited for a new start of their favorite TV show, usually over-optimists and over-cynics, tend to really exaggerate their love or hate for direction the show is going in. On the over-cynic side, they try to justify their hatred as being objectively correct and that anyone who isn't on the same wavelength is part of some conspiracy. This same exact thing happened with Star Wars when The Last Jedi came out. At the end of the day, it's about opinions, not an agenda. Why is Doctor Who getting positive reviews? Because people liked it. They weren't paid, they're not boosting some political agenda, and they're not trying to silence anybody. They're just people who watched the show and thought "That was pretty good!"
They're not paid off, they're just heavily encouraged to do so by their social circles, as daring to to downtalk the "progressive, diverse" new Dr. Who would get them ostracized.
The critics are paid or intimidated into writing only good reviews just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Eg. There are plenty of luke warm reviews of Battle Angel Alita in the UK press right now. And the Sherlock and Watson film was trashed. Didn't the production companies have enough money to pay off the shill critics?
I have my complaints about series 11 but it honestly wasn’t that bad in fact it was quite good depending on the episode, as a fan I would rank it 6.5/10 but here’s the thing critics aren’t ranking the show based on personal enjoyment but story structure, the score, theme execution etc. I don’t think the youtuber asserting “paid critics” “ out of touch critics” “sjw agenda” know how professional critics operate
Corstiaan Slob I have read the critical reviews and no the positivity wasn’t solely based on Jodie Whittaker being a female. Some of the reviews applauded a fresh new direction for the first episode but the writer meant the direction of the show under chibnall. As for story structure other than the witchfinders and pacing for the first episode and last episodes, the story structure wasn’t bad. In all fairness it is easier to nail positive critiques when the stories are self contained rather than spanning series like the Matt smith era. I’ll agree that the character development was a disservice to Jodie Whittaker and Manip Gil
@Orga777 I agree that Moffat sucked which was pretty surprising given that I loved what he did with Sherlock season 1 but he destroyed the doctor's image especially with Capaldi and having him steal a poor guy's coat in winter weather for his own survival. It was such a middle finger to the doctor but at least Moffat was writing some interesting sci fi moments. With series 11 the worst episode from what I saw was Rosa. I like watching historical moments and righting wrongs but Doctor who isnt a serious drama where the sci fi and villians take a back stage presence. Doctor who is a nonfiction sci fi space and time adventure. The tone was so messed up and bad when I first saw it and skipped ahead a few times I thought it was a historic drama show that was the wrong link. That doesnt speak well for the intentional tone of the series. I watch Doctor who for interesting fun sci fi not for historical drama or mediocre story plots that go nowhere. To my knowledge they still haven't saved River from the dead library like the doctor promised, go back and do that. This series hasn't even come close to a story like that one or even Moffat's messages from the afterlife idea. Stop being so fucking arrogant with messages and start writing real sci fi. From a writer's standpoint it's so frustrating especially when you get asshole writers that look down on a genre or medium because it doesnt have a high class image. You get that quite a bit in the writing field. Home Alone wasnt taken seriously by many of the people involved because it was a kids film but Chris Columbus and John Huges did and because of that it's a classic movie with serious tones as well as fun moments. I think it is the writing and the views of the people in charge that is hurting the recent doctor who.
Nerdrotic drove me up the wall throughout the whole series. He was down on the damn series and making up shit from nothing and bloody youtube wouldn't stop bloody recommending me his shit. Its the first time I really got pissed at seeing a channel I had no interest in constantly being recommended and appearing all over my feeds constantly. Its like the bloody dude has bots.
I hate whenever someone brings up a number on a reviewing site to justify their opinion, they are using someone else's opinion to justify their own. DYK how popular Twilight is? That just mean it's great. I'm just really annoyed whenever this happens.
This season missed a crucial thing, any good season of: 'Doctor Who,' should have: 'Nostalgia.' I say: Bring back the: 'Paradiem Daleks,' and do something with them. Get a: 'Paul McGann,' spin-off, based on: 'Big Finish,' and give us a: 'Classic Doctors Vs New Doctors,' fight, with: 'Paul McGann,' divided between the two sides, set up by: 'The Valyard,' and: 'The Rani,' for the 60th. Also, bring back: 'Susan,' and: 'Ian,' and also that: 'Krasko,' guy, from: 'Rosa,' but claim he's: 'The Meddling Monk!'
@@carealoo744 No, not the Monk, not even a Gallifreyan. As for Ian, William Russell is in his 90's and apparently very frail. Of course, they could go with the "Sarah Jane Adventures" legend that Ian and Barbara never grew old and then use the actors who played William Russell and Jacqueline Hill in "An Adventure in Space and Time."
@@MaskedMan66 What? Why can't: 'The Meddling Monk,' come back? Also, Yes, I know both: 'Susan,' and: 'Ian,' are not as young as he used to be. But, I would like something a little bit more than a cameo appearance, but I'm not asking them to come back as a main, or even recurring character, really. I just want: 'The Doctor,' to experience some sort of traumatizing experience. Like, say if He/She starts to wonder if the universe needs Him/Her anymore. So she goes and visits: 'Ian,' at his home, on Earth. Maybe he can remind Him/Her, that one they used to travel together, they never really intended and saving anyone. They couldn't even control where or when they landed. They just helped out, wherever they could.
@carealoo744 I didn't say that the Monk couldn't come back, I said-- in response to your suggestion-- that he shouldn't be Krasko. And I didn't say anything about Carole Ann Ford either; she's only 78. And to be sure, I didn't mean to say that Russell's age was an actual factor (there was an actress I heard tell of who was working at the age of 100); but he isn't in the best of health, according to a friend of his I met online.
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You are quickly becoming my favourite WhoTuber!! Thank you for your hard work and amazing videos.
Ratings are only worth something when they reflect the entire audience, trumping up a campaign for negativity just makes the numbers pointless! The last season wasn't horrible, at worst it was average.
Series 11 was a great series and whilst Yes, the finale was not that good and with expecting more from the new year special, the overall series was pretty good with episodes such as, "Rosa", "Demons of the Punjab" and "The Witchfinders". In my opinion, this season was very strong and the best one in a while. I love the direction this season has taken. The standalone episodes really did work. Jodie's Doctor is unique and brilliant. Just as any other actor who has taken on this role, they have given their own spin on it. Jodie has not ruined Doctor Who, she has given it a new breath of life. Maybe others have a different opinion to this, but, this one is mine.
I don’t understand - why is someone’s opinion invalid if it doesn’t match yours? Why is it some weird form of racist, sexist conspiracy? Could it just be the many fans on Rotten Tomatoes, like me, REALLY, REALLY wanted to love season 11, and then they just hated it. I joined rotten tomatoes to give a bad review for the season, as I felt is was awful on many, many levels. I wasn’t part of any conspiracy, and suggesting that I was is simply absurd. Equally, you must have enough self awareness to be able to see the allegations you’re making could just as easily be applied to you. I’m sorry - I was all on board for Chibnall and Whittaker, and excited to see the first female Doctor - and was deeply disappointed that it also came along with in my opinion (1) simplistic plots, that were thinly and clumsily veiled allegories of talking points for an extremely one sided ideology, (2) a Doctor who virtue signals rather have any actual moral courage, and is both cruel and cowardly, and (3) the jettisoning of villains and danger. I’m genuinely glad you all liked the season - but why am I not allowed my opinion as well?
@@lautaromedina9056 Of course not - but he is alleging I'm part of some right wing conspiracy, which just seems absurd. Much of fandom wanted to like it, but hated it (for some very good reasons) - and the rotten tomatoes score seems to reasonably reflect that. Coming up with these convoluted conspiracy theories just smacks of desperation.
@@RabbiFromAnotherPlanet, okay couple of things here. Firstly...watch the video. I never said it was some sort of conspiracy. Nor did I even mention any sort of sexist or racist motivation. In fact, I don't even bring up these RUclipsr's opinions on S11 because this video isn't about that. This video is about how dumb it is to treat RottenTomatoes Audience Scores as some sort of divine, unquestionable authority and how these RUclipsr's will often lie and manipulate numbers and statistics to their audiences. I never said you were part of a conspiracy. I never even alluded to one and the fact that you've just bought up a conspiracy, completely unprovoked is a bit (takes off sunglasses) suspicious O_O
@@MrTARDIS Yeah - but it seems to me (and I do apologise if I misinterpreted you) the video is saying that rotten tomatoes have no validity at all, because of the phenomenon of things like review bombing. I just don’t think that’s the case here at all, and there’s been no data to support that (quite the reverse in fact), but rather a reasonably accurate reflection of the fan base’s sentiments. What lends credence to that interpretation for me is the negative reviews (especially for resolution) really picked up as a response to this media spin that the season was incredibly successful by disingenuously looking at the season average ratings figures rather than the trend, which told a very different picture - and the fan negativity is based on reactionary ‘white men’ balking over Whittaker’s sex. Which is just a nonsense argument that doesn’t reflect reality at all. The poor fan reception comes from what a great many viewers felt was the production team making a very poor season indeed, which tragically failed on multiple levels.
It's November 2019 and the videos made about this Doctor Who series 11 score pretending it's real honestly still fucking piss me off. Hate it because it was a bit dull perhaps, or maybe because Yaz, doesn't do anything, don't make up shit in order to fuel your hate
I was told I'm a denial cos I brought up the individual scores of each story which ranges from I think 79%-95%. So bringing up facts and figures now means you're in denial about the series! The more you know! 😂
But ok what I don't get. They assume people who make the negative reviews are trolls or some pissed of neck beards making mutible accounts. Well the same could be true the other way, how do we know any positive reviews are true and not just fangirls who need to validate their opinions and make mutible possative fake reviews. How do we know mr tardis reviews is genuine. I used to love him but he's just trying to manipulate the algorithm recently in my opinion.
@@IsaacWhittakerDakin I didn't mention my opinion on season 11 (my opinion being no strong hate or love for the series and finding it painfully average). I only stated that reviews either way could be fake.
@@jplegend98 Sorry about that, and yeah you do have a point reviews can be fake either way but at the end of the day only you can form your own opinion regardless of what others say
@@jplegend98 I suspect one thing that raises suspicion about the negative score on RT for the season was that, months after it finished and in a very short time the score dropped about 20 per cent (if memory serves me). There are software developments that allow people to identify if tweets have the quality of being bots and there are characteristics that allow people to conclude that review or meta bombing is at work. Rotten Tomatoes doesn't provide the necessery information for some reason (It's a pile of poo?)
A quote from some clown on FB rambling on about SJWs : "I felt I had to watch Dr Who otherwise I wouldn't be able to go online and tell everyone how much I hated it."
What happened was after it was pointed out that their brand new member 1/2 and 1 star ratings were negatively impacting the overall series rating, they started adding occasional 5 star ratings with no reviews. They also went back and started adding Loooong plaintive reviews about how much they hate series 11, supporting it with random historical facts to show they really truly actually are fans of the series. Then they started saying, "well, at least the 1/2 and 1 star ratings have "constructive criticism" whereas the 5 star ratings have no reviews at all.
5 thousand people leaving reviews on rt out of over 6 million viewers? It’s obviously only people with an axe to grind one way or another who put reviews up. Out of the friends , colleagues and family I know who have been watching dr who (mostly parents watching with their kids) I’m pretty sure only one or two have even heard of rotten tomatoes
Couldn’t agree more, Mr. Tardis, I’m always silently frustrated whenever my friends gather around to decide what movie we should see and they base it almost solely on what the Rotten Tomatoes score is. It can be a good reference sometimes but it should never be the sole indicator of quality. I may not be the world’s biggest Series 11 fan but I’m far from loathing it or ever wanting to tank its review scores, that’s what ignorant children do when they take things like these far too seriously. Keep up the excellent work sir
I wanted to believe, i hoped for better days but come on. Series 11 was easily the worst since 2005. I think the rotten tomatoes scores both critics and fans are off. There is no way it could be in the 90% (critics) and the audience score in the 20s is a bit low.
I dunno why anyone would put any faith in a vegetable site, anyway... I much prefer to make my own judgements, based upon my own subjective tastes. It’s a shame that there are so many people out there that are so easily led and/or influenced.
Watch any S11 episode then watch any S9 episode. The 2018 content doesn't even hold a candle to that in terms of story, dialogue, characterisations, character development or acting. It was a poor effort compared to what came before, so that's how I judge it. Compare to previous seasons and if you're honest and intelligent you have to come to the same conclusion.
Quiet Demon I have a RUclips channel where I have severely criticised Whittaker and series 11. I have received exactly 1 (one) comment of this kind. Over a few years. I wonder how many 100s of the opposite I have now? As ever, it’s outrage against an imagined outrage that NOBODY IS MAKING. Now, if I have the SJW lefty libtard audience you would usually label mine or MrTARDIS’ stuff as having- why have I or clowns like you never been ‘crucified’ in them? Because you’ve just assumed or been told that people do that. Unless you’re fragile enough to think debunking videos like the one we’re on are ‘attacks’ on you.
So what you're saying is that these sites should not be taken as a guide to people's views and in your experience the majority of the Dr Who fans like season 11. Right?
The first part, yes. The second part, no. There is no way to genuinely know what a full public consensus looks like without sitting down every single fan and asking them and even that might not be accurate.
Why don't you try something like putting together a consensus on MrTARDISreviews? It won't be every single fan but perhaps you could get a general idea of how the fans who look at your videos feel about season 11.
Thank you for this video! I’ve been sick of people claiming that the series has been universally hated by the fandom and citing Rotten Tomatoes as evidence
"my two friends agree with me that series 11 was bad. that's clear evidence that doctor who is boring rubbish, and disliked by the fandom as a whole" Did you idiots even watch the video?
Quiet Demon no you’ve been constantly lying and making up shit to try and make others look bad. Only it hasn’t been working. Now seriously man just fuck off, you’re not winning in any of these comment threads and the fact you keep trying is actually embarrassing
Actual viewing figures have collapsed in Australia, but by all means push your agenda. BTW figures have been dropping for the past three years so this isn't down solely to the new season, but by hell it hasn't reversed anything.
He's not pushing an agenda. He is talking about the unreliable nature of Rotten Tomatoes, including the tiny, tiny size of the sample of people who leave scores compared to the number of viewers. Sorry to hear that ratings collapsed in Australia. Any chance of providing a link to Australian audience research?
@@tymbusrobins6105 I have heard that, too, that ratings collapsed in Australia, but so far no one has been able to back that claim up by a link or anything, and doing a google search I came up empty, too. Would actually be interested in the Australian numbers as well so maybe one day someone can share a source with us. :)
@@ayamira8589 yeah, I had heard the series was doing badly in the states but the only industry report that I found said the opposite. I don't understand why people who did not like the show have to back their views with either weird political positions or false information. I mean everyone can have their opinion on the content.
@@tymbusrobins6105 Same. I, too, heard people claim that the series fared badly in the US and that it had lower viewing figures than Series 10 but actually looking the numbers up I saw that this was an outright lie. Series 11 did better than its predecessor and usually, when you confront such people with that, they just don't reply anymore. But yes, I too don't understand why they feel the need to lie to begin with. It's fair enough if they themselves didn't like the series, so why invent a narrative where "everbody else" disliked it, too?
Great video. Notice how many of the one star reviews on RT have no review attached? I dislike activist bandwagons no matter what the politics. I really like how you defend the integrity of your show.
A lot of these channels that complain about shows like this I hate. However Nerdrotic does not bully any creators or call out other youtubers that like the shows he doesn't. In one of his livestreams someone asked him about you and he responded with (and I'm paraphrasing) "I don't know him and I'm not going to talk bad about any youtubers." If you want to make an arguement about rotten tomatoes then go ahead. But I don't think you should drag other people into it. Especially people who refuse to bring other people that aren't directly related to what they are talking about.
Dude...did you even see his videos where he insulted and mocked critics who disliked shows that he likes? There is even footage of him doing that in this video. Also, I'm not bullying him. He lied several times. I pointed out that he lied. That is not bullying. I also think that RUclipsrs talking about RT time and time and time and time and time again is relevant to the conversation about how RT's audience metrics can be abused. I don't think you can talk about RT's audience scores and NOT bring up the mob mentality of these channels. It would be intellectually dishonest to not bring that up.
@@MrTARDIS I would like to clarify some things. First of all i never accused you of bullying him. In my opinion i believe it is just not good to bring other people into this rt discussion. That is just my opinion. I do believe there is a mob mentality but on both sides. Each side is using politics and mob mentality to assert their opinions. I thought series 11 was okay and didn't really enjoy it but I move on with my life and don't make a stink. I defend Nerdrotic because out of all the hate channels he is actually entertaining and isnt a jerk like some of the others. Seriously I dare you to watch a geeks and gamers video and then a nerdrotic video. It will feel like night and day. Also I believe both sides of this rotten tomatoes arguement is flawed. To me it all comes down to the fact that you can post reviews before the series is finished. Both critics and audience ratings are very guilty of this. I have never once cared about rotten tomatoes scores for shows. Then all of a sudden it is a big deal which I find interesting. Please feel free to respond. I enjoy a mature discussion about these issues. Have a good one.
@@mm99101 Sorry to be that guy (or girl) to insert themselves into a conversation but I agree I have seen Nerdrotic videos and while I dont always agree with him he is a very reasonable fellow, I can't stress enough how compared to other rant channels of the nature we are talking about, you know the obsessive ones particularly in the Star Wars and Doctor Who community, I have not seen him respond to someone based on having different opinions just to attack them. He can talk down to groups of people but never to someone personally. I feel like individuals should only be called out on the grounds of toxic behaviour, and by that I mean flooding recommendation pages with so many similar poorly made rants that when they have made enough shit that recycles their copy and pasted video ideas they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for something to rant about, not giving any examples because I don't want to get in a fight with any of them but I've seen this and their neverending abyss of negativity and sea of hatred really irritates me.
@@cutiekatie9978 I dunno I guess it can be different. I and most people I know who watched didn't really like the show. I mainly take issue with Jodie's Doctor. But I guess some people did really like series 11 or it wouldn't have done so well. I didn't watch the special and might not watch the next series until Chibnall or Whittaker leave.
I think we are a bit opposite :) , I loved Jodie as the doctor, i find her to be kind and understanding but not afraid to say what needs to be said. Resolution was actually pretty good, you should give it a shot. I hope one day you find enjoyment in the show again, because as much as this fandom is divided right now the one thing we can agree on is our love for this show and for it to continue.
@@cutiekatie9978 yeah I'm still marathoning classic who. I live the show but not right now. I kind of thought that the character was quite bland and most of her dialogue was vague enough to be said by most Doctors. I also didn't buy the performance. Although I really liked Tosin Cole and Bradley Walsh as Ryan and Graham. I also thought they weren't revealing much because they had something special but I was left feeling disappointed for most of it
@@RebekkaHay They seemed okay, the very first episode is always going to seem boring looking back because it's mostly introduting characters and what the show is about.
I stopped paying attention to Rotten Tomatoes awhile back. There was an article in the NYT I think a month or so back that said 40% of the stuff on the internet is bots and not people. I enjoyed this Doctor Who wasn't perfect but was good. I would probably give it a 7.5 to 8 overall. Maybe I am a bot who knows.
These people don't understand how Rotten Tomatoes work. The Tomatometer isn't a score. It's literally just the amount of critics who gave the film or TV season a positive review. That's it. The average rating, displayed under the Tomatometer, is around 7.4, which is a positive score, but it doesn't look like it's being paid for. Wouldn't they pay for 8 or 9 or even 10 scores?
Hahaha, the reason why audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is even being discussed is because critics' score on RT get referenced all the time in newspapers and editorials, often times using that as the sole metric whether whatever they're reviewing is a success or not. You could see that clear as day when the rebooted Ghostbusters (2016) was a topic of conversation. Before the film was even out in theatres, it was given rave praise by critics who'd seen an early showing. For days it was sitting at a ludicrous 100% rating. Once the audience finally could give their output, however, you could tell the difference straight away. And it showed. Big time. It was almost universally panned, and cost the studio who produced it millions of dollars in revenue. Yet it still got a certified fresh critic rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Strange. I guess the film failing was just a freak of nature, huh? Another instance of audience score more accurately portraying the reception of a film is The Last Jedi. The previous film might have divided the fan base in terms of storytelling devices and character iteration, but the overall consensus was that it was still, at least, Star Wars. Sure, the marketing for the toy department may have needed some sprucing up (the figures didn't sell nearly well enough), but other than that, it was an exciting time. Until The Last Jedi. I don't think there was ever a time in contemporary history where the reaction to anything Star Wars was so incisive. There used to be a saying that went something along the lines of, "Anything with Star Wars in the title is a license to print money." You just couldn't lose. But for the first time since its inception, there was a noticeable feeling of Star Wars fatigue. Even the prequels didn't accomplish that feat. Toys went on clearance in less than a week after the film's release, Solo became the first ever Star Wars film in theatres to lose money due to the acrimony caused by The Last Jedi, Rian Johnson's trilogy (that he was promised by Disney) was put on ice indefinitely and Kathleen Kennedy might soon be fired (if she hasn't been already). All the while the fan base is now properly divided and how they're not even interested in Star Wars anymore. Because of one film. So what professional critic score did Rotten Tomatoes give to this dumpster fire? 100%. Because of course they did.
If you watched the whole video you'd know that I don't put much stock in RottenTomatoes' critic TV scores either. Also, your description of the lead up to 'Ghostbusters' (2016) just does not match with reality. I think it was at 100% for a literal minute, then went down to 60 before levelling out to the mid-70s as all the reviews came in around the same time. And most major critics said "It's fine" and many of them were harassed just for saying "It's Fine" (such as critic Alicia Malone). Critics saw the movie days or weeks before audiences so you saying "Once the audience could finally give their output" just doesn't make sense with that initial wave of reviews.
The like to dislike ration may be bad, but I'm still happy to report thhe likes are higher than the dislikes, hopefully everyone who likes either already understood that these percentages could be subject to rigging, or they now understand and can agree with the facts even if they might not like how the show turned out
@MrTARDISreviews Rotten Tomatoes is good for seeing the percentage of critics who like big movies, and that is all. If you look at the IMDB scores bar chart you can even see that lots of people are spamming user ratings of 1. I find Metacritic is more accurate even if not perfect because they filter fake reviews and only count the top reviewers and prioritise an out of 10 scores over a percentage of likes. And I agree that the scores out of 10 are more accurate, people think the critics are deluded but critics don't think it is the best series when it comes to the out of 10 scores. Rotten Tomatoes are not even designed for TV shows because they only review a series, no individual episode reviews, user ratings are rigged, critic ratings don't represent the series, they don't prioritise the more accurate out of 10 scores, there are few critical reviews, the posters don't even match the series and some of the seasons don't have any critic reviews. If you want to get an accurate score, here is what I do. Go on Timescales or IMDB, go on the bar charts and recalculate the scores but without the user ratings below 4. Then create an average score out of all these clean episode scores from series 11.
Um, series 11's "2,000 more reviews than the next competitor, series 8" would make its average review MORE, not LESS statistically significant, reliable, and representative. You'd have to REALLY show proof of a conspiracy - get reviewers to confess to their subterfuge - to even try to prove that.
That is not...remotely how that works. Say you had to do surveys for a school project rating what people thought of (just pulling examples out of my head here) the quality of parks in 11 boroughs in London. Let's say for the sake of argument, all the boroughs are roughly the same size. You get the results back and 10 of them are positive with around 800-1000 responses each. But the 11th comes back and it has over 6000 responses that are mostly negative. If you were to submit that to your school you'd get a low score because there's clearly massive external factors here which prevent an accurate comparison and completely skews the data. Like I said, it would get thrown out of any academic or mathematical report without reams and reams of external data.
@@MrTARDIS While I'm not an expert on statistics, I know someone who has beaten me over the head with how all this works as he is an expert in market research and statistics in general. I was talking about statistics significance regarding sample size. You wouldn't try to "improve" polling or any other date by going from a 5,000 person sample size... to a 5 BILLION sample size. At a certain point the "resolution" being clearer and clearer, but not adding to or changing the results. As an analogy, if your TV had two huge pixels, each a foot square, you'd have crappy resolution and couldn't make out the image. But beyond so many thousands of pixels per inch, it doesn't matter how "hi-def" your resolution approaches infinity, your eye won't be able to appreciate the improvement and the picture won't change into something else. But you are right that there could be other issues regarding WHY each of your hypothetical districts are producing such different data. Are they mostly of another ethnicity? Poorer or richer than the others? It is that which matters more than the sample sizes, provided each sample size is "large enough to be statistically significant." Sorting out the details you mention is another task. Which, if they exist, you can hardly be able to tease out of an online review platform. If anything, this will give you a more mixed sample than knocking door to door in one district vs. another. Like you said, the results come "from around the world!" And I hardly think you'd account for the discrepancy by suggesting that the critics were proportionately more female/minority/wealthier than the audience is as a whole.
At the end of the day, after all the ranting and raving over viewing figures, review scores, and choice of casting, I only care about how I feel about Season 11 of Doctor Who. Let all the others argue it out, I had a fun time this season.
Very much agreed. It's not my favorite, but after the Twelfth Doctor's run, it's exactly what we needed. A kind and pacifistic Doctor who admits when she's wrong and is certain of her morality in the face of adversity, and a return to an episodic format for the season is so refreshing at this point. Much as I like the Daleks and the Cybermen as villains, bonus points for relying less on iconic monsters and more on the quality of the stories in the actual season (although the Dalek in Resolution is the best use of the Daleks since Victory of the Daleks. Daleks Daleks Daleks).
@@DalekTheSupreme Yes! Agreed! As much as I love Peter's run, and frankly he deserved far better, this was a well needed change for the show. I didn't expect them to have all new baddies but major props to them! Granted I wasn't a fan of all of them but there were some definite stand outs. But the highlight is definitely the Recon Dalek. If they can sorta re-imagine and do some new and interesting things with classic villians just like that, I think Season 12 could be even more interesting. Keep the TARDIS team, expand on Yaz, maybe push this incarnation of the Doctor to her breaking point but still do something different. All in all lots of great potential now
Such a perfect response to these boys who just complain about rotten tomatoes like it matters. Those guys are as bad as Keemstar to be honest, making drama out of nothing.
It rather seems to be the critics score that is out of whack these days. I have seen all episodes of Doctor Who, season eleven, I really gave it a chance. The scripts were atrocious, the acting (whether the Doctor, the companions or the supporting cast) was terrible, with very few exceptions (mainly Alan Cummings and Mark Addy). Special effects, sets and costumes where also bad, even considering general Doctor Who standards (a series that always looked somewhat cheap). In short, season 11 was execrable, barely recognizable as the same series that used to be fun. Now, I understand that tastes differ and that there may be people who enjoy the show in its present incarnation. However, when it comes to judging the quality of scripts, acting or cinematography, there is still a certain objective element to it. Simply nobody can claim that Doctor Who in its eleventh season would be a splendidly done TV series. But what do the critics say? "94% - an almost flawless masterpiece!" Now, that's a joke. Season eleven was deemed to be better than Westworld's Season 1 - and that IS a masterpiece, if there ever was one. Whether the critics were actually afraid to lose their jobs is entirely besides the point. I don't know whether they received death threats, were bribed, are members of a conspiracy, or are simply all nutters nor do I particularly care. What I do know, however, is that their verdict is ridiculous, a veritable disgrace. Add more examples of a similiar sort (the horrendous Last Jedi was also deemed to be such a masterpiece) and I cannot escape the conclusion that the critics judgement has simply become untrustworthy. By contrast, I have no great issues with the audience score, whatever theories of online campaigns you are suggesting here. In my experience, it still does its job of helping to judge a film or a series reasonably well.
@Laura Kay : Yes, I left the comment to make my opinion known. Quite right. @Mr Tardis: Very well. Of 38 critics, 37 gave DH11 a good rating (essentially answering the question: "was it more good or more bad?"), which amounts to 93 to 94% of the overall reviews. As you say yourself in the video, this is a decently sized pool of critics, compared to other series. Considering the series which I saw (which was definitely more bad), it strikes me as an inexplicably high percentage of positivity. A certain bias among critics with the aim of supporting the first femal doctor appears to be a plausible explanation for this. I stand corrected in so far as that Westworld S1, while having 88% positive reviews (less than DHS11), had an average rating of 8.16/10 compared to DHS11's 7.35/10. This restores my trust in critics only to an insufficient degree, since the discrepancy should be considerably greater to reflect the difference in quality more accurately. (Just for the record, my personal rating would be 9.25/10 for WWS1 and 2/10 for DHS11 - clearly, I'm not cut out to be a critic.) My point remains, however: of audience and critics score it appears to be the latter that has become very untrustworthy.
It still appears you either didn't watch the video or didn't comprehend it, as he points out that most of the critics only rated the first episode, not the season as a whole.
I've said it before, if you look hard enough for something, you will see it. People let opinions dictate how they interpret the facts, when it should be the other way round
I've only watched up to season 5. Before the Disney deal EVERYONE thought Davies would save DW. I've talked to some fans who've said they lost interest by the time Capaldi took over. Now I don't agree with saying the Doctor can't be a woman or Ncuti can't be the doctor. Although I do feel it was weird of him to say that Davros villainizes disabled people. But maybe I'll just wait to get caught up on DW.
That's not what Davis said though... I've done a video on the topic because there's been an *intense* amount of disinformation about what he said about Davros (deliberate disinformation IMO) so I recommend checking that out.
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Not all nerds are good at statistics, math, or comprehending aggregates. For all of the things that are clearly not successful about the recent season, there certainly were some things that were. And it's very much a basic objective indicator that the series' ratings were generally up. And also that a lot of older fans aren't pleased. But there are new audiences too.
Mark Lerseth I don’t need to debate, this video does that for me. I was making a genuine complaint about this video, it was actually difficult to watch when he showed up, at least for me. Also, using fancy expressions just makes you seem like a bit of a twat.
Is there a site that is 100% fair assessment of anything. a site that can NOT be affected positive or negatively by what people think especially when that site is predicated on reviews.
Critic opinions, audience opinions... i don't give a crap. I watch, if i like i keep watching, if i don't like, well sometimes i still watch just to see how bad it gets (looking at you she-ra and the princesses of power). my thoughts and opinions are the only ones that matter to me.
i find it horrifying how none of the followers of these "fans" find it strange that ALL THE HATERS LOVE THE EXACT SAME TV SHOWS, all of which have coincidently become controversial and "PC". Coincidence, I think not!
RT hasn't been a good source of gauging the quality of the series for a while but the Last Jedi incident and the site's refusal to deal with the obvious troll and bots afterwards means they've lost a lot of credibility for me. IMDB is also bad in this regard but they're mainly a database so I still really like them.
Another great number-crunching video! I love how you took Nerdrotic down more than a few pegs. That smug twerp has been "not interested" right off my YT feed. And thanks for bringing Rotten Tomatoes down a few pegs, too. Amazing what a little perspective can do, eh? It also helps to be able to do a little remedial math, something apparently quite beyond the capabilities of Nerdrotic and his conspiracy-mongering ilk. Looking forward to Jodie's return and only unhappy about the long wait. Also looking forward to your next video.
I appreciate a counter take on the review 'controversy' on rotten tomato's etc. - and I whilst I do agree with Nerdrotic and similar internet reviewer's opinions on the latest Dr Who and similar franchises' apparent decline - I do think there is a campaign to find a conspiracy with reviewers' opinions of this media - which is pointless whether or not it actually exists. A putting all this aside - I do genuinely think that recent Dr Who - like other classic worlds such as Star Wars - is objectively bad. If you like it fine by me, and not everything about it is terrible I guess but overall, it's bitterly disappointing and no reviews or internet personalities can convince me otherwise.
Fuck the scores, the writing was atrocious, and because of that writing, Whittaker just doesn't come off as the Doctor. This season/series didn't stand a chance with Chibnall and his political pandering to the inclusivity mob. Seriously, I loved Missy, I have absolutely no issue with gender changing Time Lords, fucks sake, they change their entire body with every regeneration, it makes sense to make it so they can become one gender or the other, but I just could NOT get into this season/series. I fear for the show, truly.
Very good point. Comparing dvd and blu-ray sales to previous series should be a good indicator as to just how popular and rewatchable the current show actually is.
NOPE.....nope, nope, nope, had to mute it at 4:04, her and Nerdrotic……. their voices make we wanna punch a kitten.....and I like cats, lol. Its like when some does a video on CinemaSins. I can't do it.
She is the absolute worst out of all of them. I lost any and all respect for her when she called for the show to be cancelled instead of encouraging them to do better next season. That is not a true fan, that is someone who doesn't really care about the show they claim to love and just wants to stir up controversy for hits. Fuck these people...
I don't find this as interesting as your reviews, but once again, you make a dry subject compelling because of presentation, humor, and intelligently connecting the dots. So Wil, thank you once again.
Doctor who fans: hey the Daleks have been pretty overused and underwhelming so maybe not use them for awhile
(One season without Daleks)
Same people: omg this is so boring bring the Daleks back
Cherrypicking much?
tbh, i actually think chibs one Dalek story is more threatning and good then all of moffats.
@@Elsinlock Exactly plus it highlights the creature inside which is the true evil and on it's own makes it dangerous without the armour.
Hey, folks! Sources are in the description and please watch through to the end =)
EDIT: I'm seeing a running theme in this comments section. People clearly aren't watching the whole video. If you want to hear my break down the CRITIC'S score of 93% for 'Doctor Who' then watch 15:06 onwards, because that score is pretty suspect as well.
MrTARDISreviews do you have an discord ?
@@DrPeppergay, I do. An exclusive one for Patrons.
MrTARDISreviews can I join your discord please?
Yeaa...we can all sleep now.
I was hoping you would cite me! Oh well. ruclips.net/video/VQu27WVlYQ0/видео.html
it's funny now everyone points to the Rotten Tomatoes score when it agrees with them, and calls it irrelevant or say it doesn't matter when it doesn't. Everytime...
Remember this carefully; you're allowed to dislike something with a high RT critic/audience score. You're allowed to like something with a low RT critic/audience score. You're allowed to hold any opinion you like without needing it validated by other people. In fact, I hope everyone here is mature enough to understand that your or anyone else's opinion is an opinion and a number on a screen or a little cartoon popcorn image isn't going to change that...
Rotten Tomatoes has been demonstrated time and time again to be a pretty bad and exploitable system, so can we please stop using it to justify or discredit an opinion??
Exactly I mean, I loved the paranormal activity films and the unfriended films, even though I know they are not for everyone and I'm not really that interested in watching Game of Thrones at this moment in time.
Bad distinction. People criticise the critic reactions. Usually people back up the audience reactions. Nice try but you're looking too hard for hypocrisy.
@@shane55pwnt congratulations you have missed the point
@@friday6448 Actually it just didn't show me the second paragraph which seems much more reasonable. My apologies.
@@shane55pwnt well yeah that's fine, the first paragraph I was talking about the critic score in particular. The second paragraph was talking about attitudes in general of the website as a whole
Here Here, the negativity of these channels has stopped me watching most of the suggested videos about Dr Who. Because it's just making it worse
Finally someone said it, very well constructed video. The audience score shouldn't be a petition. It's supposed to just represent how likely someone would be to enjoy something. It's not even supposed to be a 100-star system.
The evidence that channels like Nerdotic and other channels never mention is all the comments on those videos saying "The percentage is at this much, let's see how much we can drag it down!" That's not criticism.
And anyways, 90% of those reviews were made when the first few episodes aired. So all the "evidence" that Nerdotic tried to provide just doesn't work. (Already addressed in the video but I think it works as a way to counter all the bad reviews for the finale)
So yeah, the Rotten Tomatoes Audience score is constantly being targeted by tanking and trolling instead of valid criticism. It's just blind hate. Critics aren't these evil secret societies banding together to push SJW agendas (whatever that even means at this point). People really gotta see more than just numbers appearing on screens.
That's why I really like your vids! You are looking at things objectively and I feel that this is a skill a lot of people either don't want to bother with, or a skill they don't possess. It's fine that Nerdrotic doesn't like S11 but his aggressive narrative and the contradictions in his vids really suggest that either he's just trying to generate views by hoping for heated debates on his content, that he himself is pushing an agenda, or that indeed he believes that his opinion can only be the one true narrative out there and that any view that differs from his is invalid.
Personally, I think it's truly sad how people feel the need to push a certain narrative about entertainment of all things, and how passion can lead to what I would almost call fanatism. That said, it's great to find youtubers like you who are able to present things with a certain sense of level-headedness. :)
Nerdrotic doesn't have a single video that is not negative. They exist only to complain, no positive criticism whatsoever. At least guys like The Critical Drinker will do positive reviews of stuff
When you're using Critical Drinker as a positive comparison, you know you're looking at a low bar.
The interesting thing about Drinker is as follows: From what I've seen, when he likes something he is able to give insightful, genuine reviews of the things he likes; ie it shows that he has some level of competency in basic media literacy. However, when he dislikes something he specifically sticks to the same four talking points: "Modern Audiences", "Strong Female Character", "Identity Politics", and of course "THE MESSAGE". Shame really, because it seems he is even more obviously than most pandering to the mob mentality because he's displayed comprehension ability above most like Nerdrotic & Bowlestrek.
@@smbsuperfan271 Much like Raditz, the Critical Drinker is wasted potential
Finished! Thanks for this. I attempted to address this issue in a review for Downthetubes but you certainly put the effort into the statistics! My main concern is the far right politicisation of fan criticism which you have steered clear of, probably wisely. Then there is the total irony that everything that they accuse others of they themselves actually do. So, whereas professional reviewers are not paid on the basis of whether their opinions of a show are positive or negative, these vloggers earn more income the more extreme and negative they become.
Yes, imo It's the whole earning money off the hating thats the issue. They feel to keep the audience they have to keep on being more and more extreme in their views.
I can't believe that I ended up watching this again but it is still a masterpiece. At least Rotten Tomatoes finally tried to address the problem when Captain Marvel was released.
Yeah when they knew that the film was CRAP!!! and they didnt want the incoming storm upsetting the apple cart.
Honestly series 11 was just kind of meh
@@quietdemon8138 Yeah I agree! I still havent got that moment of Jodie as the Doctor for me and I think it's down to the writing not her. Loved her in Broadchurch, I feel like the doctor is a secondary character in her own show
Good to know I can agree with some people in this fandom
Completely agree. Even though this series is meh, I still think it's the worst series.
@@quietdemon8138, I mean I'm a fan of him, but I feel he's being a bit overly defensive of this series.
@@mahfuzurchowdhury2765 Can't really blame him when knobheads like Bowelstrek, the Sun, Nerdonic and others out there making up tons of bullshit rather than provide legitimate criticism for actual faults of the series. Bowelstrek going on about white people genocide when the program wasn't even about that and he openly admitted to not watching it so he can't give actual thoughts when he's just adding his own bs to it. Plus I hate series 7 but still find a few positives in there
Here's the thing. Jodie isn't my favourite Doctor -- I'm a grumpy old bloke, and Capaldi is a tough act to follow -- but I really enjoyed some of her performances, and some of the episodes. The music was awesome throughout, and the character interactions were riveting and absorbing.
There were good episodes and bad episodes; good performances and bad performances. You know, like it was a season of Doctor Who or something.
Yeah. Seriously, even the Russell T Davies series has some stinkers. Like the infamous "Love and Monsters", or the kind of disappointing and somewhat goofy at times episodes, involving the Dalek Sec hybrid.
The fact alone that we have come to a point where Rottentomatoes aggregate scores are the battlefield for 'culture wars' these days says how pathetic this mess has all become.
I say leave them to it, it's the only place they get to feel empowered.
@@loserwoman87 It'd be a 'critics conspiracy', like with DCEU's latest herd of fandom tribalism. Same shit, different show.
@@loserwoman87 Oh indeed they do, they think Rotten Tomatoes has it out for the DC EU. NEWS FLASH! Who has partial ownership of Rotten Tomatoes?! Warner Bros, who also own DC. Yeah if there really was such a conspiracy like that why the hell would they attack movies from their own studio?!
@@SamyulDavis I think this is more "politics" than fandom. The vast majority of them are upset about "forced diversity" "SJW agenda" the "misandry" "left-wing propaganda". I doubt most of them actually are fans of the show.
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@@daffy8995 You just hit the nail on the head.
Critics gave 5th element one star..... never listened to a critic since!!!!
While I’m still not a big fan of series 11, I do think people are being too harsh on it. Out of the 11 episodes of series 11, I thought 3 of the 11 episodes were good, 5 of the 11 were meh (not good enough to be good, not bad enough to be bad) and 3 of the 11 were bad.
Even though series 11 is my least favourite series of the new series (man, I said series a lot) I think that the rotten tomatoes score was bombed with negative reviews and negative scores. I think that the most accurate score for series 11 we can get is the score before rotten tomatoes was bombed which was from 45 to 55% as it should what I believe most people and fans felt about series 11. Average. Thanks for explaining this to everyone. Could you talk about the animated reconstruction of The Macra Terror and the confusion about The Wheel in Space Amazon DVD.
Rotten Tomatoes is a weird beast, especially considering that the Ollowing was hated by critics but loved by the audience. Especially by the Star Trek fans who hated Discovery and thought Ollowing is more faithful to classic Star Trek.
Orville not Ollowing.
Series 11 wasn't completely awful but it wasn't too great either. Some channels definitely take their hate for it way overboard.
Thomas Williams nice to see you lack the basic understanding of the word ‘opinion’
@FallofEleventh, as an impartial observer, I think you seem to be the one who doesn't understand "opinion" or respecting others. Agree or disagree with Thomas Williams, it was obvious he was expressing an opinion, and being less rude about than you.
Quiet Demon How about you learn to type a sentence correctly before trying insult someone you dumbass lol
Personally to me a Rotten Tomatoe is something you find on a green grocer's floor. I wonder if many people like me who loved series 11 are too busy rewatching on the iplayer to be bothered to post a positive review; so in a way I am guilty of assisting the negative vibe! As you hint at any review is in fact a useless commodity but we still take a peek either for validation or to honestly get another perspective.Sadly to me at least some reviewers are so 'strange´ I cannot trust them eg.the guy who droned on endlessly about Peter Capaldi´s Oxygen story being a blatant attack on Western Capitalism! I have never returned to that site for the fear of fueling twaddle .I hope the latter was merely clickbait because a real belief in such statements would be the RUclips equivalent of a crayon written message hurled over an asylum wall.
Sadly, S11 is the worst I have seen.
My son also thought it was utterly boring.
From Doctor Who mad, binge watching the entire Who back catalog to asking "how long is left" on every episode of S11.
He hasn't even opened the 2019 annual.
Possibly the only show holding my licence fee, not any longer.
My sons and my view of the show, not based on anyone elses.
A video slagging off RUclipsrs opinions?
I was hoping for a Doctor Who channel going by your name.
Chirn70 I have twin 7 year old girls, and they are just the same. They love Doctor Who with a passion, but S11? Nah they hated it. In my house, Whittaker (a woman who supposedly is of the opinion she’s given little girls a role model) is known as ‘that boring woman’ by my two little ladies, along with my wife who’s prolly an even bigger Whovian than I am!
I’m glad to see there are others with kiddos able to appreciate S11 is lacking in anything entertaining! This season has been a total let down for _everyone_ that’s for sure.
He never slagged off RUclipsr opinions, he has a right to his opinion, MrTARDISReviews doesn't have a problem with that, he has a problem with changing facts to fit your agender hence why this video was even made in the first place. And when the subject of whether or not his content is Doctor Who content gets brought up, I mean, how? This IS a video about DOCTOR WHO rotten tomato scores, the other month he had an official DOCTOR WHO director helping him with his incredibly well made and incredibly positive analysis of Dalek
@@necrojohnny1646 well no quite a lot of people weren't let down, I wasn't, MrTARDIS wasn't, there are loads of young girls out there who have Jodie as their role model so just because your kids don't, doesn't mean it isn't a thing. Your kids can have their opinion btw, but I'm just saying if I became a parent and was happy with the fact that my kids can hate a piece of media rather than find thhe good points in a piece of media I'd be pretty upset, there is a lot to like about series 11 so even if you didn't think it was the best, appreciate what it did right, no piece of media is perfect, but no piece of media is 100% flawed
Rotten tomatoes is bs definitely. Nerdrotic does point out other things like if you don't count the first two episodes of series 10 and 11, series 11 has much lower ratings. I watch nerdrotic because he is passionate about his fandoms. That's good enough for me.
I must admit I have given up on watching his videos after the second try because in my view he is indeed mixing too many contradictions into his narrative, and to me being passionate just isn't enough. No matter if we like or dislike something, I believe we should be able to look at certain things (like the general reception) as objectively as possible, and Nerdrotic doesn't do that at all. Still, we all are different and it's fine that his fans like his vids - it's them he is making them for after all :) - as long as they know how to put some things he says into perspective. But I'd like to know because I haven't seen that particular vid you mention - and assuming with ratings you and he mean the viewership numbers - where S11 had lower results than S10? Because unless you only look at the seasonal special, at no point and for no ep did that take place. Or did he mean the AI? Thanks in advance for responding. :)
@@ayamira8589 Isn't Nerdrotic one of those "Anti-SJW" trolls?
@@warmlycalculated390 He certainly seems to be, yes. Although his earliest vids don't really show these tendencies so I'm not quite certain if he's really convinced of it himself, or if he simply noticed that being aggressive sparks discussions and thus means interaction for his channel. Because his earlier vids have only about 1000 views, yet when he started with click-baiting and aggressive "reviews" his clicks went straight up. So I am sometimes thinking he might even just act like an Anti-SJW troll simply to gain clicks and attention. Just my personal theory though. :)
@@ayamira8589 I heard a debate between Destiny and anti-SJW moron TheQuartering, and he pretty much just admitted he doesn't believe half the garbage he spews because "dude, it's youtube" tacitly admitting so much of it is just a dog and pony show. I don't think that he and Nerdrotic realize how much damage they're doing to the world (especially niche fandoms) by spouting neoreactionary BS. I know people who voted for Trump merely because they thought he'd "stop radical marxist non-binary feminists from poisoning video games." I really wish I was joking.
Nerdrotic isn't someone I can personally watch because his passion apparently means destroying a whole season of Doctor Who, I get its not perfect, I get he may not like it, but its competent writing and should not be getting this much hate
Glad you did this video! I only watch you, afterbuzz tv and council of geeks for doctor who reviews. Other than watching my favorite doctor who reactors. I generally stay away from people who just want to be negative for no reason. Keep up the great work!
Interesting... The divide has certainly grown. As for the series itself, I enjoyed it, but understand why others may have not. Rotten Tomatoes is good to me as well, and are a pretty fair reviewing source, as compared to some others.
If you look at those audience reviews most of them are actually well argued so still even before Nerdorotic video RT score was pretty low as for Doctor Who. I hate that those channels are doing 100 videos on this topic but they are not completly wrong with what they are saying.
@PikaCinema you do realise that them reviews which are not thought out are just like 3 or 4 dickheads making mutible accounts.
PikaCinema the majority of one star reviews go one for paragraphs. The majority of 5 star reviews say absolutely nothing. It is clear to see which are given by fake accounts. Also many of those 5 stars are not counted because they are suspect.
@@marklerseth5471 cition needed to the point 5 star are not being counted
Actually some of them are it depends whether there is a flag by the review or not. But I mentioned the one star and five star ratings in my comment anyway.
There are also alot of 5 stars that have nothing either. It is more likely that a review with nothing in it is not going to be counted whether 5 star or one star.
Gee, so if I genuinely did not like the season, should I NOT run to rottentomatoes and give my negative review because "it would just be playing into the nefarious hands of fans who are determined to TANK the show *for some reason*"?
Where, oh were, can I express my honest opinion?
And just as you criticize Nerdotic [sic?] for not providing evidence for things he is saying.... where is YOUR evidence of the disparity between critics and audience being that the audience is primarily a dishonest bunch out to tank the show?
You can express your opinion literally anywhere else. Like on RUclips...like you are right now.
@@MrTARDIS Ah, but since nobody is collating youtube reviewers, I wouldn't exactly be casting my vote toward anything that would add to the cumulative public reaction. Why should I be limited to youtube while critics can continue on rottentomatoes? Seems you are biased towards what THEY have to say, no? Why not advise them to post only to youtube instead? Then you could take apart their videos like the other guys (who made them) who you don't agree with.
@@anthonyastronomer7829, the reviews don't have to be collated. Why do you need to justify your opinion amongst the opinions of others? Are you so insecure in your opinion you can only express it with the backing of an echo chamber?
Also, the second half of your comment has just devolved into sentences with zero meaning. You are creating pure strawmen.
@@MrTARDIS I'm the first one to rally against both preaching into an echo chamber and creating straw men. If you didn't understand or accept something I said, then I'm sorry. I first asked if it was wise to contribute an opinion which MIGHT be ignored as simply joining the chorus of an echo chamber, rather than seeking to contribute an honest and original critique? I don't know if it IS an echo chamber, because it isn't constructed like facebook where you choose your friends and fb presents you material based on what you click on.
Now, if we were comparing review two review sites where one was created by an unapologetic hater of anything fictional, and formed a group of like-thinking people, then if they unanimously bashed something like DW then you'd be right to call it an echo chamber, as you would if the other site was created by The Pyrodonians of Princeton and gave it high marks. There is no such dilation (or an obvious or provable one) on rottentomatoes, so dismissing it all as an echo chamber with no merit is not intellectually honest.
Where have I justified my opinion, other than when I compared season 11 to Hinchcliffe's era (where I cited the words of Moffatt as evidence of the latter's merit)? I'm simply trying to salvage the ratings OF OTHERS from being summarily dismissed as you seem to be doing. I wonder what YOUR motivation for doing so is, what you hope to accomplish by making your video? That everyone will realize there is no way for us to independently arrive at whether or not the populations likes or dislikes something, unless THE NETWORKS THEMSELVES (with their infallible alternative methods to which we aren't privy) simply dictate to us what they've made is either marvelous or shite?
@@anthonyastronomer7829 Seems like this guy just misrepresents everybody. I watched one of his videos and out of nowhere he goes on about if a specific episode was written by a woman in 2020 people would hate it etc. Also every time he brought up a counter argument that somebody would make he would strawman them.
Fabulous. This was needed.
Look my biggest problem with this channel isn't that you like series 11, it's that you fail to admit that maybe others didn't as much as you did. It's fine if you enjoyed it but these scoring sites are showing a passionate swing in only one direction from the audience. I'm not seeing many Whovian coming to the rescue. And the ratings cannot be ignored. Dropping at a weekly rate and a below average for a special. Series 11 certainly wasn't the worst thing on the planet but there are certain changes which need to be made which can't be ignored. Lest we forget the Capaldi ratings were due to a number of people disliking the way Moffat ran the show. I subscribed to you for your quality content at the time but nowadays most of it is just ignoring a problem which persists and trying to call out those criticising it. Somewhere there is a middle ground which can be met and its not going to happen by ignoring what could potentially be half the fan base.
I've said time and time again that I understand some of the criticisms against S11 and that I even agree with many of them.
Go back and watch my reaction videos to 'Arachnids in the UK', 'The Witchfinders' and 'The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos'.
@@MrTARDIS I'm not necessarily talking about that. I'm talking about the pretendance that the majority of the fanbase live the new series and that the ratings are not worrisome.
@@shane55pwnt, I've never said that the majority of fans love the series or even inferred that.
Also, the figures aren't worrisome. They're the best in 5 years (NYD special aside, but all figures were down this holiday season)
@@MrTARDIS The figures started out as the best in 5 years, this is the part you keep ignoring only idiots believed the new series was going to start off with poor ratings. People wanted to see the monkey dance. However within 10 episodes the ratings have decreased by over 4 million. This is only going to go down from here. Very few people are actually hyped for the next series. You have the general public (the majority) who by all indications thought the series was OK, and half the fanbase who seemingly dislike most of what Chibnall did. You're seeing this in the holiday special. It honestly doesn't matter that other ratings were down, Doctor Who could have been the exception yet it was not. People are losing interest in the show. With a 2020 release date, it's only going to be less hypes up. It is indeed worrisome. You can't ignore these figures and blame it on people not watching (because that's exactly the problem). This special has had 7 days just like the other episodes. In an era of catch up TV and the first episode in Chibnall's era to introduce a classic monster, no less the Daleks, this should have been a ratings darling. It was never going down to Capaldi ratings this year but you can be damned sure it will do very soon if things do not change. We can't just ignore the audience reactions or the ratings. Otherwise we're just asking for cancellation.
@@shane55pwnt, no the viewing figures for S11 started out as the best in 10 years and S11 ended with the best in 5 years. And yeah, there was a 4M drop, but S1 ALSO had a 4M drop.
I even broke down the % drop in my last video. Series 1, Series 5 and Series 11 had the biggest % drops of any revived series. Perhaps by sheer coincidence, those are new Doctors with new Showrunner series.
And you saying that there isn't much hype for S12, that is pure conjecture. There is no way to actually prove or measure that. But your language ("see the monkey dance") indicates you likely hang out in circles where people aren't hyped for S12 so that is your perception. Whereas I know lots of people who are hyped for S12 and don't like waiting a whole year. Perception and subjectivity are at play here.
At the end of the day, it’s all about how much money the BBC can make off the new doctor. During Christmas, my book store was stocked with Doctor Who books and toys from every doctor but the ones that were selling out were the 13th Doctor’s so I hope that’s a sign that the new series is popular.
No it isn't! The BBC is a public service broadcaster! At the end of the day, it has been criticized for commercial activity and for making shows that have no redeeming quality eg Changing Rooms and The Voice!
@@Tymbus nope.
Appreciate the breakdown of how the Tomatometer works. Haven't seen the show myself, but I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
It does
What really kills the "critics are being paid off to give series 11 positive reviews" arguments is that bad budget excuse usually used to defend Classic Who outdated effects. If a show doesn't have a good budget for decent production then they definitely won't have the money to pay people off for positive reviews.
@@Totterslane222 Or maybe they just like it.
@@Totterslane222 That's a bold statement. Do you have an actual source on it, or are you just repeating the same baseless claims everyone else has been spouting without thinking it through?
Seriously, is it really that implausible that some people, even critics, just enjoyed it??
@@Totterslane222 You mean the new lead actor changing is what the brief summaries that barely represent the full reviews focus on? It's like the lead actor is the most important factor on any TV show or something.
I don't really understand how any of this means the critics are being paid. They're being paid for somewhat positive reviews? Yeah, most of them are based on the first episode, and the first episode is when we establish the new Doctor. Of course that's going to be the main focus point! Why wouldn't it be? And if the critics liked the new Doctor, based on the first episode, naturally they're going to praise the first episode. It makes perfect sense why they would praise it. To call it the "best thing to happen in the series"? Yeah that's an exaggeration but people exaggerate at the start of the new season all the time. These very RUclipsrs are saying this is the "downfall" of Doctor Who. That it's "the worst it's ever been". Is that not the same thing?
What you're looking at is a natural result of hype culture. People who are really excited for a new start of their favorite TV show, usually over-optimists and over-cynics, tend to really exaggerate their love or hate for direction the show is going in. On the over-cynic side, they try to justify their hatred as being objectively correct and that anyone who isn't on the same wavelength is part of some conspiracy. This same exact thing happened with Star Wars when The Last Jedi came out.
At the end of the day, it's about opinions, not an agenda. Why is Doctor Who getting positive reviews? Because people liked it. They weren't paid, they're not boosting some political agenda, and they're not trying to silence anybody. They're just people who watched the show and thought "That was pretty good!"
They're not paid off, they're just heavily encouraged to do so by their social circles, as daring to to downtalk the "progressive, diverse" new Dr. Who would get them ostracized.
The critics are paid or intimidated into writing only good reviews just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Eg. There are plenty of luke warm reviews of Battle Angel Alita in the UK press right now. And the Sherlock and Watson film was trashed. Didn't the production companies have enough money to pay off the shill critics?
I have my complaints about series 11 but it honestly wasn’t that bad in fact it was quite good depending on the episode, as a fan I would rank it 6.5/10 but here’s the thing critics aren’t ranking the show based on personal enjoyment but story structure, the score, theme execution etc. I don’t think the youtuber asserting “paid critics” “ out of touch critics” “sjw agenda” know how professional critics operate
Corstiaan Slob I have read the critical reviews and no the positivity wasn’t solely based on Jodie Whittaker being a female. Some of the reviews applauded a fresh new direction for the first episode but the writer meant the direction of the show under chibnall. As for story structure other than the witchfinders and pacing for the first episode and last episodes, the story structure wasn’t bad. In all fairness it is easier to nail positive critiques when the stories are self contained rather than spanning series like the Matt smith era. I’ll agree that the character development was a disservice to Jodie Whittaker and Manip Gil
@Orga777 I agree that Moffat sucked which was pretty surprising given that I loved what he did with Sherlock season 1 but he destroyed the doctor's image especially with Capaldi and having him steal a poor guy's coat in winter weather for his own survival. It was such a middle finger to the doctor but at least Moffat was writing some interesting sci fi moments. With series 11 the worst episode from what I saw was Rosa. I like watching historical moments and righting wrongs but Doctor who isnt a serious drama where the sci fi and villians take a back stage presence. Doctor who is a nonfiction sci fi space and time adventure. The tone was so messed up and bad when I first saw it and skipped ahead a few times I thought it was a historic drama show that was the wrong link. That doesnt speak well for the intentional tone of the series. I watch Doctor who for interesting fun sci fi not for historical drama or mediocre story plots that go nowhere. To my knowledge they still haven't saved River from the dead library like the doctor promised, go back and do that. This series hasn't even come close to a story like that one or even Moffat's messages from the afterlife idea. Stop being so fucking arrogant with messages and start writing real sci fi. From a writer's standpoint it's so frustrating especially when you get asshole writers that look down on a genre or medium because it doesnt have a high class image. You get that quite a bit in the writing field. Home Alone wasnt taken seriously by many of the people involved because it was a kids film but Chris Columbus and John Huges did and because of that it's a classic movie with serious tones as well as fun moments. I think it is the writing and the views of the people in charge that is hurting the recent doctor who.
Nerdrotic drove me up the wall throughout the whole series. He was down on the damn series and making up shit from nothing and bloody youtube wouldn't stop bloody recommending me his shit.
Its the first time I really got pissed at seeing a channel I had no interest in constantly being recommended and appearing all over my feeds constantly. Its like the bloody dude has bots.
I hate whenever someone brings up a number on a reviewing site to justify their opinion, they are using someone else's opinion to justify their own. DYK how popular Twilight is? That just mean it's great.
I'm just really annoyed whenever this happens.
Pretty decent video. I don't usually get myself involved with this sort of thing but genuinely very interesting and very telling
IT WAS A ROTTEN SEASON!!!!!!
This season missed a crucial thing, any good season of: 'Doctor Who,' should have: 'Nostalgia.' I say: Bring back the: 'Paradiem Daleks,' and do something with them. Get a: 'Paul McGann,' spin-off, based on: 'Big Finish,' and give us a: 'Classic Doctors Vs New Doctors,' fight, with: 'Paul McGann,' divided between the two sides, set up by: 'The Valyard,' and: 'The Rani,' for the 60th. Also, bring back: 'Susan,' and: 'Ian,' and also that: 'Krasko,' guy, from: 'Rosa,' but claim he's: 'The Meddling Monk!'
Was that said in a dalek voice? 😁
@@carealoo744 No, not the Monk, not even a Gallifreyan. As for Ian, William Russell is in his 90's and apparently very frail. Of course, they could go with the "Sarah Jane Adventures" legend that Ian and Barbara never grew old and then use the actors who played William Russell and Jacqueline Hill in "An Adventure in Space and Time."
@@MaskedMan66 What? Why can't: 'The Meddling Monk,' come back?
Also, Yes, I know both: 'Susan,' and: 'Ian,' are not as young as he used to be. But, I would like something a little bit more than a cameo appearance, but I'm not asking them to come back as a main, or even recurring character, really. I just want: 'The Doctor,' to experience some sort of traumatizing experience. Like, say if He/She starts to wonder if the universe needs Him/Her anymore. So she goes and visits: 'Ian,' at his home, on Earth. Maybe he can remind Him/Her, that one they used to travel together, they never really intended and saving anyone. They couldn't even control where or when they landed. They just helped out, wherever they could.
@carealoo744
I didn't say that the Monk couldn't come back, I said-- in response to your suggestion-- that he shouldn't be Krasko. And I didn't say anything about Carole Ann Ford either; she's only 78. And to be sure, I didn't mean to say that Russell's age was an actual factor (there was an actress I heard tell of who was working at the age of 100); but he isn't in the best of health, according to a friend of his I met online.
You are quickly becoming my favourite WhoTuber!!
Thank you for your hard work and amazing videos.
Ratings are only worth something when they reflect the entire audience, trumping up a campaign for negativity just makes the numbers pointless! The last season wasn't horrible, at worst it was average.
Series 11 was a great series and whilst Yes, the finale was not that good and with expecting more from the new year special, the overall series was pretty good with episodes such as, "Rosa", "Demons of the Punjab" and "The Witchfinders". In my opinion, this season was very strong and the best one in a while. I love the direction this season has taken. The standalone episodes really did work.
Jodie's Doctor is unique and brilliant. Just as any other actor who has taken on this role, they have given their own spin on it. Jodie has not ruined Doctor Who, she has given it a new breath of life.
Maybe others have a different opinion to this, but, this one is mine.
I don’t understand - why is someone’s opinion invalid if it doesn’t match yours? Why is it some weird form of racist, sexist conspiracy? Could it just be the many fans on Rotten Tomatoes, like me, REALLY, REALLY wanted to love season 11, and then they just hated it.
I joined rotten tomatoes to give a bad review for the season, as I felt is was awful on many, many levels. I wasn’t part of any conspiracy, and suggesting that I was is simply absurd.
Equally, you must have enough self awareness to be able to see the allegations you’re making could just as easily be applied to you.
I’m sorry - I was all on board for Chibnall and Whittaker, and excited to see the first female Doctor - and was deeply disappointed that it also came along with in my opinion (1) simplistic plots, that were thinly and clumsily veiled allegories of talking points for an extremely one sided ideology, (2) a Doctor who virtue signals rather have any actual moral courage, and is both cruel and cowardly, and (3) the jettisoning of villains and danger.
I’m genuinely glad you all liked the season - but why am I not allowed my opinion as well?
buddy.....you are allowed one mr tardis won't go into your house and punch you he never said that
@@lautaromedina9056 Of course not - but he is alleging I'm part of some right wing conspiracy, which just seems absurd. Much of fandom wanted to like it, but hated it (for some very good reasons) - and the rotten tomatoes score seems to reasonably reflect that. Coming up with these convoluted conspiracy theories just smacks of desperation.
@@RabbiFromAnotherPlanet, okay couple of things here.
Firstly...watch the video. I never said it was some sort of conspiracy. Nor did I even mention any sort of sexist or racist motivation. In fact, I don't even bring up these RUclipsr's opinions on S11 because this video isn't about that. This video is about how dumb it is to treat RottenTomatoes Audience Scores as some sort of divine, unquestionable authority and how these RUclipsr's will often lie and manipulate numbers and statistics to their audiences.
I never said you were part of a conspiracy. I never even alluded to one and the fact that you've just bought up a conspiracy, completely unprovoked is a bit (takes off sunglasses) suspicious O_O
@@MrTARDIS Yeah - but it seems to me (and I do apologise if I misinterpreted you) the video is saying that rotten tomatoes have no validity at all, because of the phenomenon of things like review bombing.
I just don’t think that’s the case here at all, and there’s been no data to support that (quite the reverse in fact), but rather a reasonably accurate reflection of the fan base’s sentiments.
What lends credence to that interpretation for me is the negative reviews (especially for resolution) really picked up as a response to this media spin that the season was incredibly successful by disingenuously looking at the season average ratings figures rather than the trend, which told a very different picture - and the fan negativity is based on reactionary ‘white men’ balking over Whittaker’s sex.
Which is just a nonsense argument that doesn’t reflect reality at all. The poor fan reception comes from what a great many viewers felt was the production team making a very poor season indeed, which tragically failed on multiple levels.
Nerdrotic would make a good dalek.
And so does clownfish TV
Doctor Who: ruclips.net/video/96ks4kx_t1I/видео.html
It's November 2019 and the videos made about this Doctor Who series 11 score pretending it's real honestly still fucking piss me off. Hate it because it was a bit dull perhaps, or maybe because Yaz, doesn't do anything, don't make up shit in order to fuel your hate
I was told I'm a denial cos I brought up the individual scores of each story which ranges from I think 79%-95%. So bringing up facts and figures now means you're in denial about the series! The more you know! 😂
But ok what I don't get. They assume people who make the negative reviews are trolls or some pissed of neck beards making mutible accounts. Well the same could be true the other way, how do we know any positive reviews are true and not just fangirls who need to validate their opinions and make mutible possative fake reviews. How do we know mr tardis reviews is genuine. I used to love him but he's just trying to manipulate the algorithm recently in my opinion.
@@jplegend98 if I'm honest it's all personal opinion if you loved or hated series 11, excellent. We're all so different!
@@IsaacWhittakerDakin I didn't mention my opinion on season 11 (my opinion being no strong hate or love for the series and finding it painfully average).
I only stated that reviews either way could be fake.
@@jplegend98 Sorry about that, and yeah you do have a point reviews can be fake either way but at the end of the day only you can form your own opinion regardless of what others say
@@jplegend98 I suspect one thing that raises suspicion about the negative score on RT for the season was that, months after it finished and in a very short time the score dropped about 20 per cent (if memory serves me). There are software developments that allow people to identify if tweets have the quality of being bots and there are characteristics that allow people to conclude that review or meta bombing is at work. Rotten Tomatoes doesn't provide the necessery information for some reason (It's a pile of poo?)
A quote from some clown on FB rambling on about SJWs : "I felt I had to watch Dr Who otherwise I wouldn't be able to go online and tell everyone how much I hated it."
That's how twisted their logic is. It's like saying I voted for trump so you can see how incompetent he is. Duh
Doctor Who really did suck, though.
What happened was after it was pointed out that their brand new member 1/2 and 1 star ratings were negatively impacting the overall series rating, they started adding occasional 5 star ratings with no reviews. They also went back and started adding Loooong plaintive reviews about how much they hate series 11, supporting it with random historical facts to show they really truly actually are fans of the series. Then they started saying, "well, at least the 1/2 and 1 star ratings have "constructive criticism" whereas the 5 star ratings have no reviews at all.
I’ve been waiting for you to make a video about these guys, so glad you finally did
5 thousand people leaving reviews on rt out of over 6 million viewers? It’s obviously only people with an axe to grind one way or another who put reviews up. Out of the friends , colleagues and family I know who have been watching dr who (mostly parents watching with their kids) I’m pretty sure only one or two have even heard of rotten tomatoes
Couldn’t agree more, Mr. Tardis, I’m always silently frustrated whenever my friends gather around to decide what movie we should see and they base it almost solely on what the Rotten Tomatoes score is. It can be a good reference sometimes but it should never be the sole indicator of quality. I may not be the world’s biggest Series 11 fan but I’m far from loathing it or ever wanting to tank its review scores, that’s what ignorant children do when they take things like these far too seriously. Keep up the excellent work sir
I wanted to believe, i hoped for better days but come on. Series 11 was easily the worst since 2005. I think the rotten tomatoes scores both critics and fans are off. There is no way it could be in the 90% (critics) and the audience score in the 20s is a bit low.
God I like fact checking and statistics that have relevance proofs.
Ha, you're not the only one, more people need to be talking about the real statistics
The internet seems to be overly represented by a very noisy, angry, minority - and a lot of them seem REALLY weird in their beliefs and agendas...
100%. RUclips absolutely loves negativity.
I dunno why anyone would put any faith in a vegetable site, anyway... I much prefer to make my own judgements, based upon my own subjective tastes. It’s a shame that there are so many people out there that are so easily led and/or influenced.
It's a fruit, fool.
uknownada Belittled for a lack of knowledge. Nice one, tool.
Watch any S11 episode then watch any S9 episode. The 2018 content doesn't even hold a candle to that in terms of story, dialogue, characterisations, character development or acting. It was a poor effort compared to what came before, so that's how I judge it. Compare to previous seasons and if you're honest and intelligent you have to come to the same conclusion.
I rank S9 as the weakest series since the show came back in 2005 XD
@@TheRodentMastermind Exactly. Although you might judge me differently when I tell you I'm actually quite enjoying STD this season. *gulp*
@@quietdemon8138
Doesn't that just show that he's entitled to an opinion?
It was neither good nor bad, just bland and boring.
Quiet Demon I have a RUclips channel where I have severely criticised Whittaker and series 11.
I have received exactly 1 (one) comment of this kind. Over a few years. I wonder how many 100s of the opposite I have now? As ever, it’s outrage against an imagined outrage that NOBODY IS MAKING. Now, if I have the SJW lefty libtard audience you would usually label mine or MrTARDIS’ stuff as having- why have I or clowns like you never been ‘crucified’ in them?
Because you’ve just assumed or been told that people do that. Unless you’re fragile enough to think debunking videos like the one we’re on are ‘attacks’ on you.
Bland and boring = bad. In my opinion.
So what you're saying is that these sites should not be taken as a guide to people's views and in your experience the majority of the Dr Who fans like season 11. Right?
The first part, yes. The second part, no. There is no way to genuinely know what a full public consensus looks like without sitting down every single fan and asking them and even that might not be accurate.
Why don't you try something like putting together a consensus on MrTARDISreviews? It won't be every single fan but perhaps you could get a general idea of how the fans who look at your videos feel about season 11.
Thank you for this video! I’ve been sick of people claiming that the series has been universally hated by the fandom and citing Rotten Tomatoes as evidence
Nah. All i gotta do is ask all my ex-whovian mates who all thought it was boring rubbish.
"my two friends agree with me that series 11 was bad. that's clear evidence that doctor who is boring rubbish, and disliked by the fandom as a whole"
Did you idiots even watch the video?
@@thegentleassassin not sure who your replying to but yeah I did.
It might not be universally hated, it is however universally shite. But there is no accounting for taste or lack of it.
Quiet Demon no you’ve been constantly lying and making up shit to try and make others look bad. Only it hasn’t been working. Now seriously man just fuck off, you’re not winning in any of these comment threads and the fact you keep trying is actually embarrassing
Actual viewing figures have collapsed in Australia, but by all means push your agenda. BTW figures have been dropping for the past three years so this isn't down solely to the new season, but by hell it hasn't reversed anything.
I recommend checking out my viewing figures breakdown video for S11. It's my latest video.
He's not pushing an agenda. He is talking about the unreliable nature of Rotten Tomatoes, including the tiny, tiny size of the sample of people who leave scores compared to the number of viewers. Sorry to hear that ratings collapsed in Australia. Any chance of providing a link to Australian audience research?
@@tymbusrobins6105 I have heard that, too, that ratings collapsed in Australia, but so far no one has been able to back that claim up by a link or anything, and doing a google search I came up empty, too. Would actually be interested in the Australian numbers as well so maybe one day someone can share a source with us. :)
@@ayamira8589 yeah, I had heard the series was doing badly in the states but the only industry report that I found said the opposite. I don't understand why people who did not like the show have to back their views with either weird political positions or false information. I mean everyone can have their opinion on the content.
@@tymbusrobins6105 Same. I, too, heard people claim that the series fared badly in the US and that it had lower viewing figures than Series 10 but actually looking the numbers up I saw that this was an outright lie. Series 11 did better than its predecessor and usually, when you confront such people with that, they just don't reply anymore. But yes, I too don't understand why they feel the need to lie to begin with. It's fair enough if they themselves didn't like the series, so why invent a narrative where "everbody else" disliked it, too?
Great video. Notice how many of the one star reviews on RT have no review attached? I dislike activist bandwagons no matter what the politics. I really like how you defend the integrity of your show.
A lot of these channels that complain about shows like this I hate. However Nerdrotic does not bully any creators or call out other youtubers that like the shows he doesn't. In one of his livestreams someone asked him about you and he responded with (and I'm paraphrasing) "I don't know him and I'm not going to talk bad about any youtubers." If you want to make an arguement about rotten tomatoes then go ahead. But I don't think you should drag other people into it. Especially people who refuse to bring other people that aren't directly related to what they are talking about.
Dude...did you even see his videos where he insulted and mocked critics who disliked shows that he likes? There is even footage of him doing that in this video.
Also, I'm not bullying him. He lied several times. I pointed out that he lied. That is not bullying.
I also think that RUclipsrs talking about RT time and time and time and time and time again is relevant to the conversation about how RT's audience metrics can be abused. I don't think you can talk about RT's audience scores and NOT bring up the mob mentality of these channels. It would be intellectually dishonest to not bring that up.
@@MrTARDIS I would like to clarify some things. First of all i never accused you of bullying him. In my opinion i believe it is just not good to bring other people into this rt discussion. That is just my opinion. I do believe there is a mob mentality but on both sides. Each side is using politics and mob mentality to assert their opinions. I thought series 11 was okay and didn't really enjoy it but I move on with my life and don't make a stink. I defend Nerdrotic because out of all the hate channels he is actually entertaining and isnt a jerk like some of the others. Seriously I dare you to watch a geeks and gamers video and then a nerdrotic video. It will feel like night and day. Also I believe both sides of this rotten tomatoes arguement is flawed. To me it all comes down to the fact that you can post reviews before the series is finished. Both critics and audience ratings are very guilty of this. I have never once cared about rotten tomatoes scores for shows. Then all of a sudden it is a big deal which I find interesting. Please feel free to respond. I enjoy a mature discussion about these issues. Have a good one.
@@mm99101 Sorry to be that guy (or girl) to insert themselves into a conversation but I agree I have seen Nerdrotic videos and while I dont always agree with him he is a very reasonable fellow, I can't stress enough how compared to other rant channels of the nature we are talking about, you know the obsessive ones particularly in the Star Wars and Doctor Who community, I have not seen him respond to someone based on having different opinions just to attack them. He can talk down to groups of people but never to someone personally. I feel like individuals should only be called out on the grounds of toxic behaviour, and by that I mean flooding recommendation pages with so many similar poorly made rants that when they have made enough shit that recycles their copy and pasted video ideas they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for something to rant about, not giving any examples because I don't want to get in a fight with any of them but I've seen this and their neverending abyss of negativity and sea of hatred really irritates me.
@@MrTARDIS just wanted to let you know that you were right and I was wrong.
After The Oogieloves episode, I haven't put much faith in Rotten Tomatoes.
In all fairness most of the people I know haven’t really liked doctor who series 11.
In fairness most people I know really liked it. I guess its who you know these days that determines quality.
@@cutiekatie9978 I dunno I guess it can be different. I and most people I know who watched didn't really like the show. I mainly take issue with Jodie's Doctor. But I guess some people did really like series 11 or it wouldn't have done so well. I didn't watch the special and might not watch the next series until Chibnall or Whittaker leave.
I think we are a bit opposite :) , I loved Jodie as the doctor, i find her to be kind and understanding but not afraid to say what needs to be said. Resolution was actually pretty good, you should give it a shot. I hope one day you find enjoyment in the show again, because as much as this fandom is divided right now the one thing we can agree on is our love for this show and for it to continue.
@@cutiekatie9978 yeah I'm still marathoning classic who. I live the show but not right now. I kind of thought that the character was quite bland and most of her dialogue was vague enough to be said by most Doctors. I also didn't buy the performance. Although I really liked Tosin Cole and Bradley Walsh as Ryan and Graham. I also thought they weren't revealing much because they had something special but I was left feeling disappointed for most of it
Birds of Prey fans would later do the same thing to Sonic the Hedgehog
Quoting the Thirteenth Doctor herself, “right, this is gonna be fun.”
@@Totterslane222 I don't care. At least I didn't misquote it.
@tom Brearley-Smith yeah but you quoted a very stupid line. Oh wait that is all Jodie says throughout the series.
@@marklerseth5471 Well, if you paid proper attention to Series 11, you'd notice that The Doctor says much more lines of dialogue than just that.
I do know she had more lines but you chose to quote a very forgettable and stupid phrase.
Thank you! I think you will like The Orville, it's good fun! The first 2 episodes are awful though, ignore those.
Of this season or the first one?
Of the first one 😉
@@RebekkaHay They seemed okay, the very first episode is always going to seem boring looking back because it's mostly introduting characters and what the show is about.
I stopped paying attention to Rotten Tomatoes awhile back. There was an article in the NYT I think a month or so back that said 40% of the stuff on the internet is bots and not people. I enjoyed this Doctor Who wasn't perfect but was good. I would probably give it a 7.5 to 8 overall. Maybe I am a bot who knows.
I've not given S11 a number score, but I'd probably head towards a 7.5ish as well. I liked it :)
Critic's are scared of big studio's pulling their press pass.
Hence the imbalances.
That literally does not happen in TV or Film. There is no precedence for this.
@@MrTARDIS Was just saying.
@@davidanttila9305, yeah you are just saying it...but just because you say it doesn't mean it happens.
@@davidanttila9305
"Earth is flat, just saying"
And here you go.
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These people don't understand how Rotten Tomatoes work. The Tomatometer isn't a score. It's literally just the amount of critics who gave the film or TV season a positive review. That's it. The average rating, displayed under the Tomatometer, is around 7.4, which is a positive score, but it doesn't look like it's being paid for. Wouldn't they pay for 8 or 9 or even 10 scores?
Who actually believes RT? And who even uses RT to decide if they want to see a movie anyway? Grow a backbone people.
Thats a fair point...but yea it was crap
Hahaha, the reason why audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is even being discussed is because critics' score on RT get referenced all the time in newspapers and editorials, often times using that as the sole metric whether whatever they're reviewing is a success or not.
You could see that clear as day when the rebooted Ghostbusters (2016) was a topic of conversation. Before the film was even out in theatres, it was given rave praise by critics who'd seen an early showing. For days it was sitting at a ludicrous 100% rating. Once the audience finally could give their output, however, you could tell the difference straight away. And it showed. Big time. It was almost universally panned, and cost the studio who produced it millions of dollars in revenue. Yet it still got a certified fresh critic rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Strange. I guess the film failing was just a freak of nature, huh?
Another instance of audience score more accurately portraying the reception of a film is The Last Jedi. The previous film might have divided the fan base in terms of storytelling devices and character iteration, but the overall consensus was that it was still, at least, Star Wars. Sure, the marketing for the toy department may have needed some sprucing up (the figures didn't sell nearly well enough), but other than that, it was an exciting time. Until The Last Jedi. I don't think there was ever a time in contemporary history where the reaction to anything Star Wars was so incisive. There used to be a saying that went something along the lines of, "Anything with Star Wars in the title is a license to print money." You just couldn't lose.
But for the first time since its inception, there was a noticeable feeling of Star Wars fatigue. Even the prequels didn't accomplish that feat. Toys went on clearance in less than a week after the film's release, Solo became the first ever Star Wars film in theatres to lose money due to the acrimony caused by The Last Jedi, Rian Johnson's trilogy (that he was promised by Disney) was put on ice indefinitely and Kathleen Kennedy might soon be fired (if she hasn't been already). All the while the fan base is now properly divided and how they're not even interested in Star Wars anymore. Because of one film.
So what professional critic score did Rotten Tomatoes give to this dumpster fire?
100%. Because of course they did.
If you watched the whole video you'd know that I don't put much stock in RottenTomatoes' critic TV scores either.
Also, your description of the lead up to 'Ghostbusters' (2016) just does not match with reality. I think it was at 100% for a literal minute, then went down to 60 before levelling out to the mid-70s as all the reviews came in around the same time. And most major critics said "It's fine" and many of them were harassed just for saying "It's Fine" (such as critic Alicia Malone). Critics saw the movie days or weeks before audiences so you saying "Once the audience could finally give their output" just doesn't make sense with that initial wave of reviews.
The like to dislike ration may be bad, but I'm still happy to report thhe likes are higher than the dislikes, hopefully everyone who likes either already understood that these percentages could be subject to rigging, or they now understand and can agree with the facts even if they might not like how the show turned out
@MrTARDISreviews
Rotten Tomatoes is good for seeing the percentage of critics who like big movies, and that is all. If you look at the IMDB scores bar chart you can even see that lots of people are spamming user ratings of 1. I find Metacritic is more accurate even if not perfect because they filter fake reviews and only count the top reviewers and prioritise an out of 10 scores over a percentage of likes. And I agree that the scores out of 10 are more accurate, people think the critics are deluded but critics don't think it is the best series when it comes to the out of 10 scores. Rotten Tomatoes are not even designed for TV shows because they only review a series, no individual episode reviews, user ratings are rigged, critic ratings don't represent the series, they don't prioritise the more accurate out of 10 scores, there are few critical reviews, the posters don't even match the series and some of the seasons don't have any critic reviews. If you want to get an accurate score, here is what I do. Go on Timescales or IMDB, go on the bar charts and recalculate the scores but without the user ratings below 4. Then create an average score out of all these clean episode scores from series 11.
Hummm, I suspect similar thing is going on on IMDB, I will looking into it later.
T2266 Resolution had over one hundred ratings on IMDB before the episode aired, giving it a 6.6.
Here’s an idea - watch with an open and unbiased mind. Content is generally much better than the “audience” claim. Tired of the agendas.
Um, series 11's "2,000 more reviews than the next competitor, series 8" would make its average review MORE, not LESS statistically significant, reliable, and representative. You'd have to REALLY show proof of a conspiracy - get reviewers to confess to their subterfuge - to even try to prove that.
That is not...remotely how that works.
Say you had to do surveys for a school project rating what people thought of (just pulling examples out of my head here) the quality of parks in 11 boroughs in London. Let's say for the sake of argument, all the boroughs are roughly the same size.
You get the results back and 10 of them are positive with around 800-1000 responses each. But the 11th comes back and it has over 6000 responses that are mostly negative. If you were to submit that to your school you'd get a low score because there's clearly massive external factors here which prevent an accurate comparison and completely skews the data.
Like I said, it would get thrown out of any academic or mathematical report without reams and reams of external data.
@@MrTARDIS While I'm not an expert on statistics, I know someone who has beaten me over the head with how all this works as he is an expert in market research and statistics in general.
I was talking about statistics significance regarding sample size. You wouldn't try to "improve" polling or any other date by going from a 5,000 person sample size... to a 5 BILLION sample size. At a certain point the "resolution" being clearer and clearer, but not adding to or changing the results. As an analogy, if your TV had two huge pixels, each a foot square, you'd have crappy resolution and couldn't make out the image. But beyond so many thousands of pixels per inch, it doesn't matter how "hi-def" your resolution approaches infinity, your eye won't be able to appreciate the improvement and the picture won't change into something else.
But you are right that there could be other issues regarding WHY each of your hypothetical districts are producing such different data. Are they mostly of another ethnicity? Poorer or richer than the others? It is that which matters more than the sample sizes, provided each sample size is "large enough to be statistically significant." Sorting out the details you mention is another task.
Which, if they exist, you can hardly be able to tease out of an online review platform. If anything, this will give you a more mixed sample than knocking door to door in one district vs. another. Like you said, the results come "from around the world!" And I hardly think you'd account for the discrepancy by suggesting that the critics were proportionately more female/minority/wealthier than the audience is as a whole.
I just googled the term “Access Shill Media” and the only things that come up are definitions for the word “shill” Nerdrotic just made up a term 😂😂
Proud to have subscribed to you, I don't always share the same view as you, but damn you don't take no bs, speak the truth!
At the end of the day, after all the ranting and raving over viewing figures, review scores, and choice of casting, I only care about how I feel about Season 11 of Doctor Who. Let all the others argue it out, I had a fun time this season.
Very much agreed. It's not my favorite, but after the Twelfth Doctor's run, it's exactly what we needed. A kind and pacifistic Doctor who admits when she's wrong and is certain of her morality in the face of adversity, and a return to an episodic format for the season is so refreshing at this point. Much as I like the Daleks and the Cybermen as villains, bonus points for relying less on iconic monsters and more on the quality of the stories in the actual season (although the Dalek in Resolution is the best use of the Daleks since Victory of the Daleks. Daleks Daleks Daleks).
@@DalekTheSupreme Yes! Agreed! As much as I love Peter's run, and frankly he deserved far better, this was a well needed change for the show. I didn't expect them to have all new baddies but major props to them! Granted I wasn't a fan of all of them but there were some definite stand outs. But the highlight is definitely the Recon Dalek. If they can sorta re-imagine and do some new and interesting things with classic villians just like that, I think Season 12 could be even more interesting. Keep the TARDIS team, expand on Yaz, maybe push this incarnation of the Doctor to her breaking point but still do something different. All in all lots of great potential now
Such a perfect response to these boys who just complain about rotten tomatoes like it matters. Those guys are as bad as Keemstar to be honest, making drama out of nothing.
It rather seems to be the critics score that is out of whack these days. I have seen all episodes of Doctor Who, season eleven, I really gave it a chance. The scripts were atrocious, the acting (whether the Doctor, the companions or the supporting cast) was terrible, with very few exceptions (mainly Alan Cummings and Mark Addy). Special effects, sets and costumes where also bad, even considering general Doctor Who standards (a series that always looked somewhat cheap). In short, season 11 was execrable, barely recognizable as the same series that used to be fun.
Now, I understand that tastes differ and that there may be people who enjoy the show in its present incarnation. However, when it comes to judging the quality of scripts, acting or cinematography, there is still a certain objective element to it. Simply nobody can claim that Doctor Who in its eleventh season would be a splendidly done TV series.
But what do the critics say? "94% - an almost flawless masterpiece!" Now, that's a joke. Season eleven was deemed to be better than Westworld's Season 1 - and that IS a masterpiece, if there ever was one.
Whether the critics were actually afraid to lose their jobs is entirely besides the point. I don't know whether they received death threats, were bribed, are members of a conspiracy, or are simply all nutters nor do I particularly care. What I do know, however, is that their verdict is ridiculous, a veritable disgrace. Add more examples of a similiar sort (the horrendous Last Jedi was also deemed to be such a masterpiece) and I cannot escape the conclusion that the critics judgement has simply become untrustworthy.
By contrast, I have no great issues with the audience score, whatever theories of online campaigns you are suggesting here. In my experience, it still does its job of helping to judge a film or a series reasonably well.
So, in other words, you didn't watch the video and only came here to spout your opinion.
I do actually break down that RottenTomatoes critic score.
Please watch the full video.
@Laura Kay :
Yes, I left the comment to make my opinion known. Quite right.
@Mr Tardis:
Very well. Of 38 critics, 37 gave DH11 a good rating (essentially answering the question: "was it more good or more bad?"), which amounts to 93 to 94% of the overall reviews. As you say yourself in the video, this is a decently sized pool of critics, compared to other series.
Considering the series which I saw (which was definitely more bad), it strikes me as an inexplicably high percentage of positivity.
A certain bias among critics with the aim of supporting the first femal doctor appears to be a plausible explanation for this.
I stand corrected in so far as that Westworld S1, while having 88% positive reviews (less than DHS11), had an average rating of 8.16/10 compared to DHS11's 7.35/10. This restores my trust in critics only to an insufficient degree, since the discrepancy should be considerably greater to reflect the difference in quality more accurately. (Just for the record, my personal rating would be 9.25/10 for WWS1 and 2/10 for DHS11 - clearly, I'm not cut out to be a critic.)
My point remains, however: of audience and critics score it appears to be the latter that has become very untrustworthy.
It still appears you either didn't watch the video or didn't comprehend it, as he points out that most of the critics only rated the first episode, not the season as a whole.
This is exactly correct
I've said it before, if you look hard enough for something, you will see it. People let opinions dictate how they interpret the facts, when it should be the other way round
I've only watched up to season 5. Before the Disney deal EVERYONE thought Davies would save DW. I've talked to some fans who've said they lost interest by the time Capaldi took over. Now I don't agree with saying the Doctor can't be a woman or Ncuti can't be the doctor. Although I do feel it was weird of him to say that Davros villainizes disabled people. But maybe I'll just wait to get caught up on DW.
That's not what Davis said though...
I've done a video on the topic because there's been an *intense* amount of disinformation about what he said about Davros (deliberate disinformation IMO) so I recommend checking that out.
Thank you MrTardis, we need people like you who speak up and talk about things logically
The biggest reasons recent DC adaptations tend to be shit are
1. Using there target demographic as a excuse to be lazy. Teen Titans go isn't shit just for being amid at kids, it's shit because it's using being amid at kids as an excuse to be lazy.
2. They take this guy advice way to fucking serious ruclips.net/video/G5SSD8hVQrg/видео.html
Just great, I watched that channel all the time.. now I really "know nothing, Jon Snow".
It can't be that they liked it. No, they will be fired.
Not all nerds are good at statistics, math, or comprehending aggregates. For all of the things that are clearly not successful about the recent season, there certainly were some things that were. And it's very much a basic objective indicator that the series' ratings were generally up. And also that a lot of older fans aren't pleased. But there are new audiences too.
Great video, sorry I can’t watch all of it, Nerdrotic just has one of those voices
Daniel Eke yeah I thought there was s reason I skipped his reviews, whenever they came up in suggested videos
Ad hominem attacks are useful when you have no material with which to debate.
Mark Lerseth I don’t need to debate, this video does that for me. I was making a genuine complaint about this video, it was actually difficult to watch when he showed up, at least for me. Also, using fancy expressions just makes you seem like a bit of a twat.
@daniel as I said using ad hominem means you have nothing useful to offer.
@@90sArchive I'd like to see Nerdrotic's face after people metabomb HIS videos.
Is there a site that is 100% fair assessment of anything. a site that can NOT be affected positive or negatively by what people think especially when that site is predicated on reviews.
Critic opinions, audience opinions... i don't give a crap. I watch, if i like i keep watching, if i don't like, well sometimes i still watch just to see how bad it gets (looking at you she-ra and the princesses of power). my thoughts and opinions are the only ones that matter to me.
i find it horrifying how none of the followers of these "fans" find it strange that ALL THE HATERS LOVE THE EXACT SAME TV SHOWS, all of which have coincidently become controversial and "PC". Coincidence, I think not!
RT hasn't been a good source of gauging the quality of the series for a while but the Last Jedi incident and the site's refusal to deal with the obvious troll and bots afterwards means they've lost a lot of credibility for me. IMDB is also bad in this regard but they're mainly a database so I still really like them.
Another great number-crunching video! I love how you took Nerdrotic down more than a few pegs. That smug twerp has been "not interested" right off my YT feed. And thanks for bringing Rotten Tomatoes down a few pegs, too. Amazing what a little perspective can do, eh? It also helps to be able to do a little remedial math, something apparently quite beyond the capabilities of Nerdrotic and his conspiracy-mongering ilk. Looking forward to Jodie's return and only unhappy about the long wait. Also looking forward to your next video.
I appreciate a counter take on the review 'controversy' on rotten tomato's etc. - and I whilst I do agree with Nerdrotic and similar internet reviewer's opinions on the latest Dr Who and similar franchises' apparent decline - I do think there is a campaign to find a conspiracy with reviewers' opinions of this media - which is pointless whether or not it actually exists.
A putting all this aside - I do genuinely think that recent Dr Who - like other classic worlds such as Star Wars - is objectively bad. If you like it fine by me, and not everything about it is terrible I guess but overall, it's bitterly disappointing and no reviews or internet personalities can convince me otherwise.
Fuck the scores, the writing was atrocious, and because of that writing, Whittaker just doesn't come off as the Doctor. This season/series didn't stand a chance with Chibnall and his political pandering to the inclusivity mob. Seriously, I loved Missy, I have absolutely no issue with gender changing Time Lords, fucks sake, they change their entire body with every regeneration, it makes sense to make it so they can become one gender or the other, but I just could NOT get into this season/series. I fear for the show, truly.
It will be very interesting to see how the DVD sales go! I don’t expect any manipulation of stats when you have to spend your own cash!
Very good point. Comparing dvd and blu-ray sales to previous series should be a good indicator as to just how popular and rewatchable the current show actually is.
Alot of people love Fargo, I still want those two hours back .
NOPE.....nope, nope, nope, had to mute it at 4:04, her and Nerdrotic……. their voices make we wanna punch a kitten.....and I like cats, lol. Its like when some does a video on CinemaSins. I can't do it.
She is the absolute worst out of all of them.
I lost any and all respect for her when she called for the show to be cancelled instead of encouraging them to do better next season.
That is not a true fan, that is someone who doesn't really care about the show they claim to love and just wants to stir up controversy for hits.
Fuck these people...
I don't find this as interesting as your reviews, but once again, you make a dry subject compelling because of presentation, humor, and intelligently connecting the dots. So Wil, thank you once again.
I think Nerdrotic was saying CBS was paying critics to diss the Orville.
He's completely wrong IMO, but that's what he was trying to say