I absolutely love this! I've listened to it twice now and have made a vow to listen to it every day, in hopes of learning it, almost, word for word. Thank you, my Lord and my God, for directing me to this. Thank you so much for bringing this to me by posting it
I've been listening to this everyday, as I said I would. Can anyone shed some light on this one line for me?? The part in which he speaks of the end times......"1st, confusion in Heaven." What does that mean?? What are they indicating is to happen in 'Heaven'...happen with those of God?? what does that 'sign' supposedly look like.
Wonderful! Now I am off to the so called Second letter of St Clement. I am looking to purchase a hard copy of the Anti-Nicene fathers. Are there any translations that you guys would recommend?
There aren't a lot of single editions of all the ante-Nicene Fathers. There are a few editions of all the Apostolic Fathers - Catholic University of America Press has one for instance. I have a nicer looking edition from a Protestant publisher which includes the Greek. In general, you can look at the show notes for our Way of the Fathers episodes about a given Father for links to editions of his writings.
@@DirkkkkkI usually don't write long comments, but here it goes: The Catholic Church did not invent Purgatory. Even Judaism teaches Purgatory (which Jews call "Gehinnom") *Jews actually don't even believe in Hell, only a form of purgatory and Heaven. Some early church fathers may refer to what we call "Purgatory" as the state of being "detained" or "imprisoned" in Hades/the Grave before entrance into Heaven. Jews believe in Purgatory and have done so even before the time of Christ, as clearly evidenced in 2 Maccabees 12:41-46. Both Jews and early Christians pray for the repose of the deceased, as Paul prayed for God to have mercy on Onesiphorus in 2 Timothy 1:16-18, and as Judah prayed for the souls of the fallen soldiers to be purified by God in 2 Maccabees 12:41-46. 02:09 -- "However, if the one who takes is need, he is without blame. But should he not be in need, he has given an account of the why and the wherefore of his taking; and he will be put in prison and examined strictly about what he did, and shall not go out from there until he has paid the last cent." This is a reference to Jesus' teaching in Matthew 5:23-26, which has been originally interpreted as referring to making satisfaction for sins, which is completed in the purgation of the soul in this life and the next. The passage also references a "gift" of the altar, which early Christians saw as the sacrifice of Christ being presented under the appearances of bread and wine (i.e., Mass) for the repose of souls making satisfaction before entering the Beatific Vision (Heaven), just as Jews offered sacrifices for the repose of their deceased making satisfaction in the afterlife (as in 2 Maccabees). It is very clear that this is an image of penance and temporal punishment that the righteous suffer for their sins, as the offender can eventually get out from "prison" after having paid for his offences accordingly. Jesus has also been cited as referring to Purgatory in Luke 12:35-48, in His parable of the four servants, with two servants clearly experiencing only temporary punishment for their offences when their judgment arrives. A form of post-mortem purgation is clearly referenced by St Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:10-15, as the righteous person is saved "as through fire", which purges them of all unjust works (sins) at their judgment. This passage has been consistently interpreted by church fathers, over and over, as referring to Purgatory, as the person, although suffering loss in their judgment, is saved. Zechariah 13:8-9 is often invoked by Jews as a representation of purification of souls in their reception of judgment, which is Purgatory, or what they call, Gehinnom.
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I absolutely love this! I've listened to it twice now and have made a vow to listen to it every day, in hopes of learning it, almost, word for word. Thank you, my Lord and my God, for directing me to this. Thank you so much for bringing this to me by posting it
Wow! Praise God! So glad it made an impact!
Oh come Lord Jesus...
Love this, very important to see how the earliest Christians lived out their faith. So much of the modern church has lost sight of this.
Daily listen is a great idea - I've listened to 2 other recordings - great teaching for people who want to grow closer to God
I've been listening to this everyday, as I said I would. Can anyone shed some light on this one line for me??
The part in which he speaks of the end times......"1st, confusion in Heaven." What does that mean?? What are they indicating is to happen in 'Heaven'...happen with those of God?? what does that 'sign' supposedly look like.
Maybe it refers to the skies/cosmos, rather than to Paradise.
Sounds like the Apostolic Church was... (Gulp) Completely Catholic from start to finish.
Wonderful! Now I am off to the so called Second letter of St Clement.
I am looking to purchase a hard copy of the Anti-Nicene fathers. Are there any translations that you guys would recommend?
There aren't a lot of single editions of all the ante-Nicene Fathers. There are a few editions of all the Apostolic Fathers - Catholic University of America Press has one for instance. I have a nicer looking edition from a Protestant publisher which includes the Greek. In general, you can look at the show notes for our Way of the Fathers episodes about a given Father for links to editions of his writings.
@@CatholicCulturePod Thanks!
When the non catholics hear this 😂 haha repentance of there schismatic minds shall come forth.
Worst Mormon here, hearing this, might put some orthodox ethos up in the current mix, just for Fr Peter Heers has wisdom I as well relish. 🙏🏻
I missed the part where they invented purgatory, I better listen again.
@@DirkkkkkI usually don't write long comments, but here it goes:
The Catholic Church did not invent Purgatory. Even Judaism teaches Purgatory (which Jews call "Gehinnom") *Jews actually don't even believe in Hell, only a form of purgatory and Heaven.
Some early church fathers may refer to what we call "Purgatory" as the state of being "detained" or "imprisoned" in Hades/the Grave before entrance into Heaven.
Jews believe in Purgatory and have done so even before the time of Christ, as clearly evidenced in 2 Maccabees 12:41-46.
Both Jews and early Christians pray for the repose of the deceased, as Paul prayed for God to have mercy on Onesiphorus in 2 Timothy 1:16-18, and as Judah prayed for the souls of the fallen soldiers to be purified by God in 2 Maccabees 12:41-46.
02:09 -- "However, if the one who takes is need, he is without blame. But should he not be in need, he has given an account of the why and the wherefore of his taking; and he will be put in prison and examined strictly about what he did, and shall not go out from there until he has paid the last cent."
This is a reference to Jesus' teaching in Matthew 5:23-26, which has been originally interpreted as referring to making satisfaction for sins, which is completed in the purgation of the soul in this life and the next. The passage also references a "gift" of the altar, which early Christians saw as the sacrifice of Christ being presented under the appearances of bread and wine (i.e., Mass) for the repose of souls making satisfaction before entering the Beatific Vision (Heaven), just as Jews offered sacrifices for the repose of their deceased making satisfaction in the afterlife (as in 2 Maccabees).
It is very clear that this is an image of penance and temporal punishment that the righteous suffer for their sins, as the offender can eventually get out from "prison" after having paid for his offences accordingly.
Jesus has also been cited as referring to Purgatory in Luke 12:35-48, in His parable of the four servants, with two servants clearly experiencing only temporary punishment for their offences when their judgment arrives.
A form of post-mortem purgation is clearly referenced by St Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:10-15, as the righteous person is saved "as through fire", which purges them of all unjust works (sins) at their judgment. This passage has been consistently interpreted by church fathers, over and over, as referring to Purgatory, as the person, although suffering loss in their judgment, is saved.
Zechariah 13:8-9 is often invoked by Jews as a representation of purification of souls in their reception of judgment, which is Purgatory, or what they call, Gehinnom.
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