At the end of the day I am so glad that Tarja Turunen and Nightwish are way happier nowadays. PLUS, I cannot even imagine Tarja's life without her solo albuns, Specially her Last 2 solo albuns that show such creativity and maturity as the complete artist she is nowadays ("In the Raw" is my favorite Tarja Turunen album, it stands up there with Century Child and Oceanborn as milestones in her career). "Ave Maria in Plein Air" also shows Tarja's vocal technique at its very Best! Nightwish also found in Floor Jansen as the perfect fit for their current sound, so I guess they could have followed separated ways without exposing themselves so much, keeping business private as it should be done. But as Tarja herself said: the Past you cannot change, but you Always can change the Future. I believe that both Tuomas and Tarja are more experienced and mature people nowadays and they genuinely turned this page in their books of Life! I'm also glad that you tryied to understand both sides of this story, even if, at the end of the day, we will never know everything because we weren't there at the time (although I was already a fan when it happened). All the best to you!
I agree. And I also love In The Raw as much as the NW albums from back in the day. That album was very successful for her. And I'm glad that NW and Tarja are continuing and are happy
They could have come to her and said: "hey, about that deal for another album and another tour... we don't think it's gonna work. Let's end it after this one." And parted ways in a friendly manner. But they chose to portray themselves as victims and her as the villain so the huge part of the fanbase that thought she was the soul of Nightwish would not hate them, and would continue following them (not her) because she was a monster in the letter. That's how they chose to act. I get that they were young, and even though they have admitted that itwas wrong, the way they handled things, they never apologized to her. Only Marko did.
Exactly. They didn't want to give Tarja the graceful exist she deserved. Marko was man enough to apologize. Still waiting for the others to do the same. Only then can all that history truly be laid to rest.
@@akaha001Pretty much. They tried to assasinate her character. Unless there is a public apology, the audience will not get over it. They still haven't made things right after all these years. The keyboard player merely admitted that it was "handled poorly", but justified himself saying that he "felt cornered" so he acted on instinct, like animals do. I'm sorry, but animals do not meticulously plan to backstab their friend in such a public manner, nothing about that letter was "spontaneous". It was cold, calculated and cruel.
Bullshit, they had discussions but Tarja and her demon behind Husband did not listen and did not want to talk it through, but worked behind the rest of the band and aimed to raise Tarja over the other musicians, tried to use Nightwish band only as a base to Lift Tarja's Solo Career, only this was the aim of the two, so BULLSHIT!. In this video Tarja is playing the part of victim and gathers sympathy from public - you can master the tears and tell the story purely from their view. When the decision was made it was the only one to keep the band alive and continuing, it was done for the band, not Tarja, not Tuomas, not any individual. Do not be so naive watching any "Press Conference" of any human thinking that they do not raise their benefits into the stories they tell! Notice the raising up of "countless offers from other bands.." information or rather marketing - this is her "go on and make sure you have interest to your Solo career, save what you can". AND Nightwish is Tuomas, no matter who is singing his compositions and Lyrics, vocalist is only the means to make Tuomas'es music alive and as shown, as long as Tuomas has continued in Nightwish, they have succeeded and no vocalist or band member has paralysed the band and the exceptional creation force of Tuomas!
I think you guys are from Canada? Well, Tarja is touring the US right now. 12 concerts. The first one was yesterday. It would be really nice if you managed to go to any of them. She's on her Best Of tour. You should also check out her song Eye Of The Storm, which she released together with the compilation.
Tarja has a very evolved soul, at no point in all these years has she spoken ill of the band. The band, on the other hand, showed that it's not so cool, since they did something similar to Anette when she was sick.
They literally fired Anette for getting pregnant, and wrote a horrible song about her on the next record 💀. TBH I don't think it's "the band". I think it's literally just the keyboard player that's the problem.
Wow, this comment section is turning angry quickly. I'll just make the following two points: 1: It is absolutely OK to fire people. In the case of Nightwish, it is Tuomas's project and always has been. If you can't keep working with certain people, you do what you gotta do. 2: It is not OK to fire people with a public open letter. Regardless of what happened between the band members, you should not be the first to start airing dirty laundry. If the fired party starts attacking you in the press, obviously you have a right to respond. But firing someone and attacking them publicly, for problems that have hitherto been private? That is unprofessional. I think everyone should just put this episode into 'mistakes were made' file. From everything I've seen, both Tuomas and Tarja seem like the nicest of people. I mean, I still love Led Zeppelin despite the fact that Jimmy Page is a genuinely terrible person (to put it mildly), unlike everyone involved in this situation.
To Open all THIS History from 22 Years Ago, just Re-Opens Ugly and Deep Wounds from back Then. Not for Tarja and the Band, their Happy, with their lives Now, but for the FANS it Starts the Whole Drama up Again. Bickering About Something from 22 years Ago, it's just Useless and a Waste of Time. Be Glad Everyone's gone On and Survived it ALL.
For me, as a huge fan of both NBightwish and especially Tarja, who has followed them passionately pretty much from day one, seeing Tarja crying like this is like watching my own sister crying, thats how much I adore her! She always has been, and always will be my #1 metal godess, I dont care if Floor is more versatile as a singer or more technically skilled or whatever, I grew up with Tarjas voice and no other voice will ever be able to truly take her place for me! Dont get me wrong, I do love Floors voice as well and I really dont think that they could have found a better replacement for Tarja, but Tarja is still #1 in my mind! I hate the way the band handled the whole thing, but in the end I think it worked out for the better, we all got to hear some fantastic, very unique music that we probably never would have gotten to hear if Tarja had not gone solo, her stuff is so experimental compaired to Nightwish
I've never watched this and not shed a tear when she does, at the start. Such an emotionally charged moment. But so proud that she carried on and smashed it the way she did, and has the happiness she has. It seems like it worked out for everyone, in the end, but man it's always a tough watch.
Oh gosh, this video will be hard to watch. It is still important, it shows Tarja's side of things. I have seen this press conference once and it broke my heart. I'm glad everything is much better now.
It shows that she is good also on acting. Tears of a crocodile. She had already said she is out, not going to tour, only record one album. Now she was freed to pursue her own career. Sadly the reason why the band had to try the public letter (which backfired, perhaps because it was so honest that it showed the anger of the band) to try to mitigate and not allow Tarja/Marcelo to make the narrative.
@@juzujuzu4555 so they "made the narrative" instead and that's okay, am I getting this right? And when Tuomas is upset it's genuine but when Tarja is upset it's crocodile tears? Is it so hard to wrap your head around the concept that sometimes both sides in a conflict can feel equally bad for completely valid reasons? Nobody is saying what Tarja said or did or how she handled things was "right", but it's understandable why she thought she was doing the right thing. Equally, I can understand why Tuomas thought the letter was right, even though I don't agree with it. See, isn't so hard!
This was very hard to watch. It opens your eyes that Tarja wasn’t that cold person as described in the open letter. There are always two sides of the same coin.
It shows that she is also good at acting. Whenever women cry publicly it's almost always conscious manipulation, or at least semiconsciously done because it's their magic bullet. Though I don't think Tarja was necessarily that cold, but she allowed Marcelo to phuck things up, and she got too high with the success.
Oh man. I am tired of all these people who think they have seen and heard everything with their own eyes and ears. As if they had been there. I don’t take sides. All i know is what is said in the media and online. I haven’t been there so i don’t judge like others do. Go on believing what ever you want. What i see here is no acting. These are real tears.
@@thomashoffmann1063 I'm Finnish and followed the band since the 90s. Though I don't think that matters on seeing if the emotions are faked or not. It's antropological fact that women cry for manipulation. It sounds bad when it's put on text like that, but the point still stands. Certainly there's also other type of crying, but here it's obviously manipulation. And you manipulate with real tears. It's semiconscious manipulation, you are not necessarily that aware of what you are doing, you just allow it to happen because it works. Though in this situation she knows what she is doing, she is trying to negate the bad image done by the letter. And in general I wouldn't mind much, but I dislike the fanbase falling for this and getting so angry with the band. The problem with comment sections is that written words are so poor at communicating the message. When I read my own comment, I see how it's so easy to take it as me hating Tarja, or blaming her for orchestrating the whole thing like a show that is preplanned. That's not what I meant. I'm not angry at her but in general angry on how easily people are to manipulate.
@@juzujuzu4555i see your point clearer now. So you mean when you manipulate people you can do this semiconsciously. When you are doing something semi consciously, i wouldn’t describe this as acting. Acting is done on purpose, when you are playing something in front of an audience for example. What she does here is not acting. Here she is showing how she really feels about it. I see you are no Tarja hater now, but you are using the wrong words for what you are trying to say. That’s at least how I see it, and I think you should choose your words more carefully. Otherwise you may be misunderstood and people may get angry on you - or you may get applause from the wrong people (for example Tarja haters).
I was devastated when she left Nightwish. For me, and this is just my opinion…but Tarja was Nightwish for me. Floor is an amazing vocalist, but I just can’t get into newer Nightwish. The music doesn’t have the same impact on me. It’s not a popular opinion. Tarja is my Angel of music! 🖤
To some extent I agree with you in that many of the Tarja era songs have never been bettered by Tuomas, and Tarja is amazing and unique. And I am so happy that Tarja is today looking and sounding better than ever and gives every impression of enjoying her concerts. Where we will inevitably differ, is that I am a ‘victim’ of encountering Nightwish through the video of Wacken 13 GLS. As such, I ‘worked back’ to Tarja and Annette and love and appreciate both ladies for their very different contributions. But, for me Tuomas request ‘you have 48 hours to learn the set’ created the Nightwish in its final form. I can totally understand your position as a ‘Tarja die hard’. As someone totally infected by ‘Flooradoration’, the ‘non Floor’ Imaginaerum is my favourite Nightwish album followed by Once. I could easily imagine myself as aTarja era fan, or even, to a lesser extent , an Annette era fan, remaining totally committed to the ‘my era ‘ singer.
For me the older songs are just better songs, I dont think the Floor era songs are that great for the most part. However Floor singing the older songs is the peak, but we will only ever get that live.
@@chrism2964 went to Birmingham concertin November. Totally agree that Floor bashing away at the best tracks from Tarja and Annette days us ‘something else’.
Your attitude is great, as is the fact that you don't pick sides. Not everyone will give space to both sides in this drama. Even though I didn't expect it, thanks for the reaction to this video. Some may find it controversial, on the other hand, few are reluctant to condemn her after one listen to Master Passion Greed or Poet and the Pendulum. And you're right. I think, that she really doesn't like it when people keep asking her about Nightwish. No questions about her past in the band, because she says it's an essential part of her life. But she doesn't like questions about her relationship with Tuomas and the breakup with the band. She tries to divert from those questions, which I noticed from her interview.
It's important when she talks about the comparisons with Nightwish. She was and still is attacked today by a lot of Nightwish fans that say her solo career is bad because it's not "as good as Nightwish". But she doesn't want to do Nightwish. She wants to do herself. We still call her music symphonic metal but she calls it hard rock, and it has obviously classical and symphonic touches. She has said "my next rock album" for years now, not metal. But we still associate her as the symphonic metal queen. So many people talk about her as "ex-Nightwish". Interviewers ask her today, almost 18 years since she left the band, if there is any chance of a reunion. So, the comparisons never ended. The ghost of Nightwish still haunts her to this day. But she is at peace now. Marko will open two of her shows soon, one in July and the other in August, and they will probably sing together. They have met in 2018 at a Christmas tour and sang Ave Maria together. Both of them said they hugged and cried a lot backstage. So it's nice to see how far she's come despite all difficulties.
From the limited information we have, it appears that much of this situation stemmed from a lack of proper communication. Instead of expressing their displeasure with her behavior, it seems they may have kept it to themselves. I think that because she likely wouldn't have been so shocked by the letter if they had been discussing these issues beforehand.
This piece of news was a true shock for the fans too ... not only for her. Tuomas has admitted that the way was wrong and he thinks that at that moment they could not find other or better way but later he thinks that it really should have been done totally different way (maybe something like she expected). They do not communicate much still but it is true that Tarja contacted Tuomas warmly when she heard that his father had passed away. She remembers him (father of Tuomas) because they truly were like local friends all in those small circles of Kitee. With Marco they did some Christmas song gigs together...do react to those too...they also hugged each other when they met at the hotel. Tuomas was very down after that separation process...and the next song was "Poet and the Pendulum" following "Bye Bye Beautiful" and "Master Passion Greed". Those all are grand songs and poetry and they do reflect to Tarja somehow and show clearly the overall meaning and level of pain behind.
When they agreed Tarja would do 2 more albums and 2 more tours....that is the moment it went wrong. They should never have made that deal. A final tour....they could have called it the End of an Era Tour.... it could have been a beautiful goodbye. And then the band made additional mistakes. 2 songs on the album Once that kind of reflect the awkwardness of the situation (Romanticide and GLS) I would not have made Tarja sing sing that (even though I love both songs) And then the letter: A simple "It was awesome, but it is not working out so good anymore" would have been way, way better. In the end it got us to a Nightwish with Floor and I am glad we all got to see that.
All hale the REAL TRUE QUEEN 👑 of NIGHTWISH and of ALL FEMALE SYMPHONIC METAL SINGERS!!!, the very beautiful looking and very unique voice of the enchanting TARJA!!!😀👍👍🤘
Mmh, for me FLOOR, the VALKYRIE QUEEN. I mean, it is better, first the open Letter from Nightwish, and then Tarjas answer. But it is history, and a long time over
It was her decision to leave. I like her and I agree with her that leaving the band was the right thing to do. But when you decide to leave you give up your right to that throne. Tarja can be important to Nightwish and have created awesome music with them. You can even say you liked NW better with Tarja, but she is no longer the queen.
The mature thing to do would be to finish the album that Tarja agreed to do with the band, announce a farewell tour with Tarja to maximize ticket sales. Complete the tour and then hold a joint press conference introducing their new singer and Tarja wishing them well. Everyone gets what they want musically without the negativity. OMG, two and a half years notice. But that's not good enough for Tuomas. He wanted to have control and wanted to vilify Tarja. I will never take Tuomas' side on this issue.
Well I realy understand why the guys dident want to do a Tarja farewell tour... As Nightwish was a lot bigger than Tarja, thats the whole point they where making lol It was not about naking money either, then they eould have listened to Tarja and not toured in north america.... you seemed to hace missed the point....
well, we will never know what really happened between them but Tarja had already told them that she was going to leave after the next album and they made public a decision in which they did not have the honor of saying it to her face her.
Mouse - Supremacy woodstock 2016 is an good example of how good Tarjas is :) Edit: you have watched that video nvm :D. I grew up with Tarja in Nightwish and for me she is Nightwish.. im not a fan of the band of anything but i love the older songs. AND i hate the comparison with Floor. Different singers, but the old songs where written for Tarjas beautiful voice so... Glad Midsommar alla!
The Poet and The Pendulum is just taking the "mickey" out of this and making a show. There is a song that Tarja did "Enough" to answer this and referring to the letter and song. Enough Ego selfish primadonna Dancing in your poisoned cage Thinking that your conscience's clearer If you drink your dreams away Feed your anger to the devil In your self built wishing well Take a swim in muddy waters All the dirt will leave a trail Had enough symphonies of sorrow The beasts of prey a breath away Masterpiece of treachery Build a wall and make me crumble Just because I am in love Don't you cry now look at all the Dolls and toys that you have got Smashed the mirror of perversion With the dagger that you made Mirror, mirror, is there someone Who can make your day today? Had enough symphonies of sorrow The beasts of prey a breath away I've had enough symphonies of sorrow Beasts of prey one breath away Masterpiece of treachery Kept my thoughts buried in a box With each shot I still kept it locked You drew a play written with my blood Went ahead just to feed the lot I've had enough symphonies of sorrow The beasts of prey a breath away I've had enough symphonies of agony Beasts of prey one breath away Masterpiece of treachery But this was all Marko's manipulation just like it was with Anette. Marko was jealous and also there was love interests that were one sided. Marko is the bad apple and he used the same excuse to quit that Tarja was blamed off manager/finances. Marko is the ass here attention seeking that you can see on concerts where it comes to thanking the crowd and band members. He met his match with Floor and if you take a note he doesn't go anywhere near Floor instead walks stair out and back passing the other band members. When you see it you can't unsee it. He is the one (bad apple) that manipulated this to go how it went. So sad. Respect to Tarja not pointing fingers in public.
Poet has very little to do with Tarja. Its more about the backlash from media and fans Bye bye Beautiful is aimed at Tarja and Master Passion Greed at her husband
I don't know if this should be a reaction video... I'm a little worried that the comment section will inevitably turn into a mess I think both sides made mistakes, I also firmly believe no one meant to hurt anyone. But some fans actively hate Tarja or the rest of the band and blame either of them to this day... so I have a bad feeling about this
If people didn't argue over this video, they will argue over any NW-related song, interview, press conference, or RUclips shorts. There are always fans who choose to blame one side or the other for everything. Fortunately, RUclips can handle rude comments on its own. What I unfortunately see with the reaction videos is that the reactors listen to The Poet and The Pendulum, read Tuomas's letter and "know" who is the victim and who is the villain. Most of the reaction scene agree with this and look no further and those who watch the reaction video will take this view. At first I was also a bit taken aback that this was a reaction video, but there are quite a few who try to show the other side's point of view, even if it is painful. I love both sides as an artist and I think black and white is nothing.
The only mistakes I see the band made is the content of the public letter. But I find it really odd that people don't see from this video or Tarja's reply that she is only pissed because she got exposed. "I gave them warning of 2.5yrs in advance" so what's the problem then? Now you are free. The issue is that she wanted to leave without any dirt on her. She admits that everything the band wrote is true. "Everyone of this band could have stated that they are leaving in 1 day notice" while she perfectly knows that in her case it would mean the band is essentially dead, while anyone except Tuomas can be replaced. This is clear "look at me I'm a poor woman" kind of attempt to clear her name and put the blame on the band. And that pisses me off. It's so obvious that she is just pissed because she got exposed by the letter. And I do get that completely, she has every right to be. If she would have just stated that she is sad because of the way her bandmates fired her, then I would have respect for her. But when you try to manipulate the situation through fake crying and try these stupid ways to damage control, it just pissed me off. But people make mistakes, so while I'm on the side of the band, I'm not against Tarja. I loved her in the band, love her voice and performances. And while I'm on the side of the band, I also think their timing with the letter was poor, and the content was little too harsh.
@@juzujuzu4555 The letter was wrong, and that's the only thing we can agree on. I will not pick sides or point fingers at either of them. And I certainly won't judge anyone for being emotional in public.
@@juzujuzu4555 then we don't disagree as much as I thought, but there are still points I see from a different angle. She did say she was upset about the way it was handled. She did say that. She didn't deny that she wasn't happy in the band and already thought about leaving, and that she would have preferred to leave on her own terms (I also see why the band wanted to end their cooperation earlier, I feel like that's entirely understandable). As for the airplane fight, I think hearing the whole conversation would shed a lot more light on the context and I don't know who I would agree with more afterwards, but even when said in anger I understand why it hurt Tuomas. I don't think she would have actually left like that, she is too responsible and dedicated to her work, but of course you need your band members to be committed. If I would fault the other band members for anything it's letting their management be this chaotic and endorsing it. (Not Emppu necessarily, he critised their management for not doing their job properly, making alcoholic drinks and having a good time a priority over the band's needs (his words), and I do think this was hardest on Tarja) but the problems started even before Marcelo came into the picture so it wasn't just the two management situation -- that only made already existing problems worse. And Tuomas avoiding any kind of conflict. Which, I am kinda the same, so again I get it, but working together needs a lot of communication and everyone was doing a bad job with that apparently. And also the "fake" crying... I don't like the "women are manipulative" rhetoric at all. Maybe a lot of women don't have their walls up as much as many men do because we weren't raised with the "real men don't cry" attitude (which is bullsh*t anyway). But I would have been surprised if she hadn't gotten emotional about this. It was a form of betrayal, because the content of the letter was personal, and it was published. Of course the shock sits deep. And this wasn't long after the letter. So yeah, there are no facts for this, but my feeling tells me it was genuine.
Well, after what happened with Tarja and later with Annette, I fear for Floor. That's the problem with doing sh*tty things public, they set a pattern. I still love Nightwish's music, though.
Great history! It's crazy when Tarja says that she threatened to leave Pandi with a day's notice. No one wants that kind of atmosphere in the band, hardly even Tarja. Well, maybe Tarja will see in retrospect how things didn't work as they should and also from the point of view of others, and not just from her own point of view. Of course, a decision like that should be handled nicely from everyone's point of view, and at that time Nightwish apparently didn't have the skills to do that, now surely the matter would be handled much nicer from Tarja's point of view. Great period in Nightwish.
It was not a threat. It was a point of allowing people to walk away and waiting for a chance for both sides to make a statement as oppossed to ending the show. Heading probablly to a hotel, or airport and not even telling the person how things stand, sandbagging them by publiclly firing them without even telling them 1st in private. That letter was sealed and she was told to wait until the next day to open it. Then it was published online at 2 in the morning. I expect that was someone at the labels doing. That was low, dirty and nasty. You could could meet. Talk things out and come up with a joint press conference or at least statement about artistic and personal differences and the tour being a high point and the album. Not wanting to try to top that, deal with pressures and deal with finding a new voice for the band hanging over them. That it would be best for everyone to start fresh. Wish everyone all happiness and success and support publicly the very best and full support for eachother going forward. As opposed to dropping a vitrioloic smear piece to the press without ever having the integrity or fortitude to talk to them. Damn low.
Los problemas verdaderos con Nightwish empezaron con la gira en Argentina donde Tarja conoce a Marcelo...posiblemente hubo un amor truncado entre Tarja y Tuomas , las dedicatorias de las músicas te dan a entender tal cosa , Ever Dream, sus letras son muy evidentes del amor truncado o fallido! Creo que no supieron sobrellevar sus relaciones personales, lo llevaron en el escenario frente a todos mezclando lo personal con lo profesional!!! Una lastima que la era más querida por muchos haya terminado de esa manera, pero en la actualidad ya adultos y maduros por más que sigan doliendo sus heridas en entrevistas han dejado claro ambos que se han enviado email mutuamente están en contacto, Marco y Tarja volverán a unir sus voces en un concierto en el mes de julio de este año, de ahí a que haya perdón entre los integrantes de la primera era creo que se va a dar pero olvidar ese episodio si que no lo creo, los malos entendidos sumándose con el egocentrismo e inmadurez fueron los suministros para que la banda se separaran, solo espero que alguna vez se reconcilien hagan las pases y como muestra de respeto a sus públicos hagan un concierto juntos como antes!!! Excelente reacción tuve empatía con los sentimientos del reactor 💪🏻buena vibra para todos desde Paraguay 🇵🇾apoyo este canal🤘🏻
The problem where Tarja messed up, was ALLOWING her husband to INTERFERE WITH THE DECISION MAKING for her and the band Nightwish. Her husband was CAUGHT SOMETIME AFTER, STEALING Nightwish tickets, and SELLING THEM AND POCKETING THE MONEY FOR HIMSELF.
The problem where Tarja messed up is that she ended up in a band that loved living the tour-bus-band-lifestyle, where she HATED every minute on that bus. That is why she asked for shorter tours in bigger stadiums...fly-in, fly-out. The rest of the band did not want to change, so Tarja decided she would have to leave Nightwish, which she announced after the Century Child Tour in 2003. Tarja was not in a hurry to leave and the band did not want to see her go, so they (together) agreed she would do 2 more albums and 2 tours together with Nightwish. But when the first tour got extended from 12 to 18 months without even asking, Tarja felt their agreement was void. And unhappy employees often say "I don't get paid enough to take this shit" ....and then it turned south... Her husband may have been an asshole towards the band, but in the end he just stood up for his wife. And when you OWN a couple of tickets that were given to you, you can sell them... Not something I would do, but that is not stealing.
I totally ‘buy in ‘ to Tuomas and the guys’ version of events. Tarja had become a diva who thought , also driven by mr tarja, that she was the star of and bigger than the band. And was planning to leave anyway. But Once was the climax of ‘phase one Nightwish’ so she left a good legacy. And without the ‘fall out’ there would have no ‘Poet and the pendulum’ no ‘ imaginaerum’ and no ‘latter day Freddie Mercury’ (in terms of stage presence and charisma) in the form of Floor. And Tarja herself. In recent concerts she looks and sounds better than ever and gives every impression of enjoying herself. And she is to perform with Marko this year he who apparently told Tuomas ‘its her or me’, so bridges appear to have been rebuilt. Overall, and only coming to Nightwish in 2022, I think the development ofTuomas and the band through Annette and Floor phases has been much better than unchanging Tarja OR WORSE the possible total break up of the band after a period of acrimony. And, 15 or more years on Tarja does indeed look and sound better than ever.
I remember when this happened I saw Tarja's reaction ,I thought that was just bunch of crocodile tears from woman who was threatening to leave them and wanting no U.S tours because venues and rewards didn't meet her expectations. Later I understood that no one, not even the band ultimately didn't want things to go like this. But I guess the resentment was so deep by this time that Tuomas and guys saw this as the only solution. Thank goodness she got to continue her career after this. After all she was our 1st Goddess of metal. Shame things went like this, but if they would of happened differently, there is a chance Floor wouldn't be in NW right now.
Never forget that Tarja had already quit NIghtwish. Tarja and Nightwish had agreed upon finishing the tour and producing one more album before going their separate ways. This situation was like quitting your job with two weeks notice and your boss telling you not come back for week two because you were too disruptive during your first week of your notice period. The tears ring hollow.
What an unjust comment. You do not know her at all. This press conference took 1 and half hour, and this is only a glimpse of it. You also need to realise how young she was at the time talking to a large group of journalists. Put yourself in the same situation. Her pain is immense and tears genuine.
@@riittasihvonen2011 Unfortunately my friend i see here some Tarja s haters have become psychologists, experts of music industry, judges.They analyse emotions and read minds.i m sick of it
@@riittasihvonen2011 Thanks, but the open Letter, and the problem with Marcello. This is a terrible Situation. But so long ago, Nightwish has Floor, and Tarja her solo career .🤘
Men are so easily manipulated by women and their tears. Thus women have perfected their act of crying on command. Tarja already said she is not going to tour anymore and will only make one album. Tuomas couldn't write to her anymore because of that, and the band couldn't have taken the financial hit of not touring. The band perhaps didn't handle the firing optimally, but on the other hand they knew the risks of allowing Tarja/Marcelo make up their narrative. Based on her reply to the open letter it's obvious she cannot argue against any of their points because she doesn't even try. Instead she focuses on becoming a victim and all the simps in the world eat the hook line and sinker. If there are reasons that support Tarja's point, those are not made public at least. It's a sad situation, but one where I get the band and I'm on their side almost completely.
If you are a woman, like I am, you should be ashamed of what you just wrote. You don't represent me nor the things you wrote. But you probably are just making up your ideia of what a woman is, it really says more about you. These things with Nightwish should have been kept private, yet they choosed to trash her and try to destroy her future opportunities by doing so. She naturally answered and defended herself. Do you also think this is a professional way of firing someone? At least I'm glad both Nightwish and Tarja are in a MUCH Better place nowadays!
@@musicredshoes And why should I be ashamed of telling the truth? I have no interest on representing anyone except the truth. Ask yourself what makes you so angry about the obvious truth. I think the letter in principle was justified because the situation for the band was essentially life or death. Tarja/Marcelo could have taken the narrative and that could have been the end for the band. The opposite however was not possible. The letter couldn't have killed Tarja's career. The letter perhaps was not professional way to fire someone, but neither was Tarja's behavior. For most people the band was just Tarja's backup band. She had immense amount of power over the band. That was their attempt to gain some of it back. On principle I think the public letter wouldn't have been a problem, but the content and timing was poor. But you have to remember that it was not Tuomas' letter, it was unanimous letter by them all. They all thought that was the way to go. And it was about the future of the whole crew, as Tarja wasn't going to tour anymore. Certainly the goal wasn't trying to trash Tarja's career, it was to save Nightwish. And it's very well possible that even though the letter backfired that it was still the best thing to do. Yes, I agree that it's great that Tarja and Nightwish both survived. And I'm also really sad for them all to have had to suffer this ordeal.
@@musicredshoes Also why anything I wrote has to do with me being woman or not? It's antropological fact that woman have perfected the act of crying. Though women perhaps would like to hold all of their weapons onto themselves, and even not face the truth of themselves. Men have a ton of their own issues. So this is not about men > women at all. Weak men are the root cause of so many problems in our society. Then again we live in an age where you can be woman with penis and man with uterus, so it shouldn't be a surprise that obvious truths are somehow violent nowadays.
@@Blackwolf.777 Maybe say that same sentence over the mirror. I have only issues with ignorant easily manipulated men who fall for all sorts of scams, either by women, or by our society. I have empathy for more than average person, and I do have it for Tarja, but not for this press conference which I absolutely hated for the obvious reasons.
I have to say, and I understand that this is rock and metal, but this was an act (seeing with today's eyes) it was sexism, it was mistreatment and a hard blow. That moved the whole environment a bit, and not so much, that nowadays the bands of female singers have given their place or something as simple as their privacy and dressing room to their vocalists. I understand that Toumas created an incredible album after this separation but everything revolved around him, he was the victim, he was the friend betrayed by his friend, he was the one who was close to suicide, but his behavior was very childish. Perhaps at that time it was all very passionate on the part of the fans and it took us years to mature and understand that deep down Tarja only fell in love with one man, her husband and father of her daughter, and that somehow Toumas and the band pushed Tarja into Marcelo's arms, because she met him on the South American Tour, first when a fan in Mexico came up on stage, threw Tarja to the ground and touched her, the band kept playing and they almost came out to say that the show it ended because Tarja didn't want to continue singing, and not because she had been abused. Marcelo was there, and then in Brazil, Argentina and Chile Marcelo was their tour guide because Tarja was alone on the tour. Beyond the fact that Tarja continues to make music about overcoming this issue, she never put herself in that place of denouncing that everything that happened was an abuse, just as Toumas now celebrates life, he does not hate him anymore or write songs for him again. to her. Tarja always proved to be a little more mature.
It amazes me how easily people believed her "crocodile tears". She fenced herself off from the band and then complains that no one talked to her. Really? She's playing the victim, but let me remind you: She turned not only Tuomas against herself, but the others also wanted to get rid of her. If so many people don't want you on their team, then it's probably you and not them who's the problem, isn't it?
Men are stupid and easily manipulated and women defend women and are willfully ignorant on the usage of their main weapons. That's the sad reality. I had nothing against Tarja, though I hate this conference and her playing the victim. For the band this was matter of life and death, because Tarja could have sank their reputation and get enough fans to drop the band, while she herself would still have solo career that she wanted anyway. Also it's not just the main band members but the whole team that probably wanted her out. They wouldn't have made money without touring.
Let me guess, because you know Tarja very well and you where there the whole time, so you can reveal us all the truth! How foolish we All are not to Believe that open letter like a holy bible, because that open letter Tuomas wrote never wanted any fan to take his side of the story, it was a pure truthful text, never a sign of Who leads the band! Ah and I should also adopt that method when dismissing my employees, its just to put it on the official website of the enterprise, and let them live their lives and find a new job anywhere! I don't even know how stupid is Marco Hietala for making peace with Tarja and tell her the whole thing was not handled well, such a perfect way of dismissing someone and there's people who even complain about it! And Floor, how can she still be friends with a person like Tarja who is always playing the victim! Thank you Andrey for showing us the Truth, women like Tarja just pour crocodile tears without any reason to complain... she just needed to endure any condition of travelling and f*cked up her health and voice while on tour, and on once tour her her mother died, but cm'on, everybody will die someday, isn't it? Continue the good word on every Nighwish Tarja video you comment! People will always believe you!
@@musicredshoes If you think that everything Tuomas wrote in his open letter is a lie, then why was she fired? Because they are "evil"? And as for your employees: If one of them said that she plans to leave your company in two and a half years, BUT reserves the right to leave at any time, giving only a day's notice, then I very much doubt that you would be very kind to such an employee.
@@SokolRock Thats really a good point you made, Because I had not only once, but at least 2 times when a former employee explained to me that he or she had to leave this job for personal reasons in a year, and in another situation it was only six months in advance. And I may tell you that although I was sad because they were leaving, I just asked them to continue to give their best until the last day, and I treated them kindly until the last minute of working for me, and I even wrote a recomendation letter to help one of them finding a new job because he explained to me his reasons in a private and reasonable way, and that is how you handle this kind of professional matters Mr. May life teach you to be decent even in hard situations, instead of wanting revenge and destroying ones life in the public eye. Tuomas could have solved Everything in private in a professional way, yet, he wanted to trash someone's life and future chances of a career! It worked for people like you, who just continue to spread another one's supposed frustrations (probably some of your too), yet it doesn't work for a woman like me, because I know how to be professional even in hard situations, and I am also too decent to try to turn everybody against someone I don't like just for revenge, that is probably our difference, Andrey!
@@musicredshoes But you evaded the answer to the "uncomfortable" part of my comment: If your employee threatens you to leave at any moment if he/she doesn't like something, will you tolerate it? And I will also repeat the first part: If what Tuomas said in his letter is false, then why do you think Tarja was fired?
This was Exploitive to show this..Again. When Women cry & get teary-eyed, They get Sympathy. IF Men do the same thing..They get LAUGHED AT or Rediculed. I Know This----There is MORE than just Tarja's side and Crying. There is NIGHTWISH'S p.o.v.
If you laugh at or ridicule anyone who is genuinely crying, you're a jerk, doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman. "I Know this" if that's your experience, I'm sorry. Sympathy should be a given, no matter the gender. *But* since you actively seek out anything to do with Tarja (like her label releasing part of the Wacken Church concert) and miss no chance to put her down, I don't know how much empathy and kindness I could expect from *you*
@@karadenizin-kizi This has nothing to do with empathy for anyone. This person is determined to find Tarja's every RUclips video to bring her down. His comments only reflect his obsession combined with resentment, making excuses for Floor. I don't know if she would be happy about that.
I just can't believe why you all are defending Tarja, it's like..............ohhh the girl is crying, we should console her. But infact she was the one opposing threads like; ”I don't need Nightwish anymore.” and ”Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day's warning in advance”. That,....together with greed and lack of interest of rehearsing with the band, clearly shows diva behavior from her part. Just to be clear, I don't want to condemn Tarja's vocal abillity's here, as she's a great vocalist, just those bad manners she displays toward the band. There is a saying that says; "Where two argue, two are at fault."
We all know two are at fault. But theres a difference between being a diva and being fed up with the whacky management and the touring schedules and the drinking but ofc her issues with all that (which are understandable) soured the mood for everyone. She's a human being and she most definitely did a lot of mistakes in how she handled all this. But I HATE how most people who call out Tarja here can't do so without getting lowkey misogynistic like "ohhh the girl is crying" ive only seen people mention that she's a girl and that she's crying who then go "well shes a girl and she's crying so it's all FAKE and manipulation". She's crying bc she's disappointed that the band couldnt look her in the eye and tell her they wanted to split from her and instead made it public and calling her names. If that's not understandable that she's upset I dont know what is. Ofc she contributed to the split. The letter was still a shitty move and she has all right to be upset about that.
I do not feel sorry for her after reading the open letter. simple as that. She sang many song as if trying to catch up to the musicians. Floor is another level completely.
@@kazfarah7623Try to ignore them.. Most of them are just trolls.. And they all believe Tuomas‘ words from this awful letter.. And they can’t accept Tarja as an amazing singer with an exceptional unique and beautiful voice..
No sche didn't. Tuomas was this 🤏 close to breaking up the band way before Tarja decided to leave (bc of Sami and bc Tuomas didn't have the courage to tell him so he had him fired via the management). The band's history has always been rocky but sure blame it all on Tarja why dontcha
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At the end of the day I am so glad that Tarja Turunen and Nightwish are way happier nowadays.
PLUS, I cannot even imagine Tarja's life without her solo albuns, Specially her Last 2 solo albuns that show such creativity and maturity as the complete artist she is nowadays ("In the Raw" is my favorite Tarja Turunen album, it stands up there with Century Child and Oceanborn as milestones in her career). "Ave Maria in Plein Air" also shows Tarja's vocal technique at its very Best!
Nightwish also found in Floor Jansen as the perfect fit for their current sound, so I guess they could have followed separated ways without exposing themselves so much, keeping business private as it should be done. But as Tarja herself said: the Past you cannot change, but you Always can change the Future.
I believe that both Tuomas and Tarja are more experienced and mature people nowadays and they genuinely turned this page in their books of Life!
I'm also glad that you tryied to understand both sides of this story, even if, at the end of the day, we will never know everything because we weren't there at the time (although I was already a fan when it happened).
All the best to you!
I agree. And I also love In The Raw as much as the NW albums from back in the day. That album was very successful for her. And I'm glad that NW and Tarja are continuing and are happy
They could have come to her and said: "hey, about that deal for another album and another tour... we don't think it's gonna work. Let's end it after this one." And parted ways in a friendly manner. But they chose to portray themselves as victims and her as the villain so the huge part of the fanbase that thought she was the soul of Nightwish would not hate them, and would continue following them (not her) because she was a monster in the letter. That's how they chose to act. I get that they were young, and even though they have admitted that itwas wrong, the way they handled things, they never apologized to her. Only Marko did.
Amen to that!
Exactly. They didn't want to give Tarja the graceful exist she deserved. Marko was man enough to apologize. Still waiting for the others to do the same. Only then can all that history truly be laid to rest.
@@akaha001Pretty much. They tried to assasinate her character.
Unless there is a public apology, the audience will not get over it. They still haven't made things right after all these years.
The keyboard player merely admitted that it was "handled poorly", but justified himself saying that he "felt cornered" so he acted on instinct, like animals do. I'm sorry, but animals do not meticulously plan to backstab their friend in such a public manner, nothing about that letter was "spontaneous". It was cold, calculated and cruel.
Bullshit, they had discussions but Tarja and her demon behind Husband did not listen and did not want to talk it through, but worked behind the rest of the band and aimed to raise Tarja over the other musicians, tried to use Nightwish band only as a base to Lift Tarja's Solo Career, only this was the aim of the two, so BULLSHIT!. In this video Tarja is playing the part of victim and gathers sympathy from public - you can master the tears and tell the story purely from their view. When the decision was made it was the only one to keep the band alive and continuing, it was done for the band, not Tarja, not Tuomas, not any individual. Do not be so naive watching any "Press Conference" of any human thinking that they do not raise their benefits into the stories they tell! Notice the raising up of "countless offers from other bands.." information or rather marketing - this is her "go on and make sure you have interest to your Solo career, save what you can". AND Nightwish is Tuomas, no matter who is singing his compositions and Lyrics, vocalist is only the means to make Tuomas'es music alive and as shown, as long as Tuomas has continued in Nightwish, they have succeeded and no vocalist or band member has paralysed the band and the exceptional creation force of Tuomas!
@@kimmikke_ Oh get over it. Sheesh... Now calm your teets before you have a coronary.
I think you guys are from Canada? Well, Tarja is touring the US right now. 12 concerts. The first one was yesterday. It would be really nice if you managed to go to any of them. She's on her Best Of tour. You should also check out her song Eye Of The Storm, which she released together with the compilation.
Yes we are from Canada! :)
Tarja has a very evolved soul, at no point in all these years has she spoken ill of the band. The band, on the other hand, showed that it's not so cool, since they did something similar to Anette when she was sick.
They literally fired Anette for getting pregnant, and wrote a horrible song about her on the next record 💀. TBH I don't think it's "the band". I think it's literally just the keyboard player that's the problem.
Wow, this comment section is turning angry quickly. I'll just make the following two points:
1: It is absolutely OK to fire people. In the case of Nightwish, it is Tuomas's project and always has been. If you can't keep working with certain people, you do what you gotta do.
2: It is not OK to fire people with a public open letter. Regardless of what happened between the band members, you should not be the first to start airing dirty laundry. If the fired party starts attacking you in the press, obviously you have a right to respond. But firing someone and attacking them publicly, for problems that have hitherto been private? That is unprofessional.
I think everyone should just put this episode into 'mistakes were made' file. From everything I've seen, both Tuomas and Tarja seem like the nicest of people. I mean, I still love Led Zeppelin despite the fact that Jimmy Page is a genuinely terrible person (to put it mildly), unlike everyone involved in this situation.
To Open all THIS History from 22 Years Ago, just Re-Opens Ugly and Deep Wounds from back Then. Not for Tarja and the Band, their Happy, with their lives Now, but for the FANS it Starts the Whole Drama up Again. Bickering About Something from 22 years Ago, it's just Useless and a Waste of Time. Be Glad Everyone's gone On and Survived it ALL.
For me, as a huge fan of both NBightwish and especially Tarja, who has followed them passionately pretty much from day one, seeing Tarja crying like this is like watching my own sister crying, thats how much I adore her! She always has been, and always will be my #1 metal godess, I dont care if Floor is more versatile as a singer or more technically skilled or whatever, I grew up with Tarjas voice and no other voice will ever be able to truly take her place for me!
Dont get me wrong, I do love Floors voice as well and I really dont think that they could have found a better replacement for Tarja, but Tarja is still #1 in my mind!
I hate the way the band handled the whole thing, but in the end I think it worked out for the better, we all got to hear some fantastic, very unique music that we probably never would have gotten to hear if Tarja had not gone solo, her stuff is so experimental compaired to Nightwish
I've never watched this and not shed a tear when she does, at the start. Such an emotionally charged moment. But so proud that she carried on and smashed it the way she did, and has the happiness she has. It seems like it worked out for everyone, in the end, but man it's always a tough watch.
Oh gosh, this video will be hard to watch. It is still important, it shows Tarja's side of things. I have seen this press conference once and it broke my heart. I'm glad everything is much better now.
It shows that she is good also on acting. Tears of a crocodile. She had already said she is out, not going to tour, only record one album. Now she was freed to pursue her own career. Sadly the reason why the band had to try the public letter (which backfired, perhaps because it was so honest that it showed the anger of the band) to try to mitigate and not allow Tarja/Marcelo to make the narrative.
@@juzujuzu4555 If you don't like her, you don't need to watch these videos
@@juzujuzu4555 so they "made the narrative" instead and that's okay, am I getting this right? And when Tuomas is upset it's genuine but when Tarja is upset it's crocodile tears? Is it so hard to wrap your head around the concept that sometimes both sides in a conflict can feel equally bad for completely valid reasons?
Nobody is saying what Tarja said or did or how she handled things was "right", but it's understandable why she thought she was doing the right thing. Equally, I can understand why Tuomas thought the letter was right, even though I don't agree with it. See, isn't so hard!
@@tuuli4002 I like her. Though I hate how she spins things and how people can be so easily manipulated by fake crying.
@@juzujuzu4555If you really would like her, you wouldn’t say such a shit.. And it’s not fake crying..🤦🏻♂️
This was very hard to watch. It opens your eyes that Tarja wasn’t that cold person as described in the open letter. There are always two sides of the same coin.
It shows that she is also good at acting. Whenever women cry publicly it's almost always conscious manipulation, or at least semiconsciously done because it's their magic bullet. Though I don't think Tarja was necessarily that cold, but she allowed Marcelo to phuck things up, and she got too high with the success.
Oh man. I am tired of all these people who think they have seen and heard everything with their own eyes and ears. As if they had been there. I don’t take sides. All i know is what is said in the media and online. I haven’t been there so i don’t judge like others do. Go on believing what ever you want. What i see here is no acting. These are real tears.
@@thomashoffmann1063 I'm Finnish and followed the band since the 90s. Though I don't think that matters on seeing if the emotions are faked or not.
It's antropological fact that women cry for manipulation. It sounds bad when it's put on text like that, but the point still stands.
Certainly there's also other type of crying, but here it's obviously manipulation. And you manipulate with real tears. It's semiconscious manipulation, you are not necessarily that aware of what you are doing, you just allow it to happen because it works.
Though in this situation she knows what she is doing, she is trying to negate the bad image done by the letter. And in general I wouldn't mind much, but I dislike the fanbase falling for this and getting so angry with the band.
The problem with comment sections is that written words are so poor at communicating the message. When I read my own comment, I see how it's so easy to take it as me hating Tarja, or blaming her for orchestrating the whole thing like a show that is preplanned. That's not what I meant.
I'm not angry at her but in general angry on how easily people are to manipulate.
@@juzujuzu4555i see your point clearer now. So you mean when you manipulate people you can do this semiconsciously. When you are doing something semi consciously, i wouldn’t describe this as acting. Acting is done on purpose, when you are playing something in front of an audience for example. What she does here is not acting. Here she is showing how she really feels about it. I see you are no Tarja hater now, but you are using the wrong words for what you are trying to say. That’s at least how I see it, and I think you should choose your words more carefully. Otherwise you may be misunderstood and people may get angry on you - or you may get applause from the wrong people (for example Tarja haters).
I was devastated when she left Nightwish. For me, and this is just my opinion…but Tarja was Nightwish for me. Floor is an amazing vocalist, but I just can’t get into newer Nightwish. The music doesn’t have the same impact on me. It’s not a popular opinion. Tarja is my Angel of music! 🖤
I think the same, for me Tarja was Nightwish and I can't liking their newer stuff, it's not the same and never will be...
To some extent I agree with you in that many of the Tarja era songs have never been bettered by Tuomas, and Tarja is amazing and unique. And I am so happy that Tarja is today looking and sounding better than ever and gives every impression of enjoying her concerts. Where we will inevitably differ, is that I am a ‘victim’ of encountering Nightwish through the video of Wacken 13 GLS. As such, I ‘worked back’ to Tarja and Annette and love and appreciate both ladies for their very different contributions. But, for me Tuomas request ‘you have 48 hours to learn the set’ created the Nightwish in its final form. I can totally understand your position as a ‘Tarja die hard’. As someone totally infected by ‘Flooradoration’, the ‘non Floor’ Imaginaerum is my favourite Nightwish album followed by Once. I could easily imagine myself as aTarja era fan, or even, to a lesser extent , an Annette era fan, remaining totally committed to the ‘my era ‘ singer.
For me the older songs are just better songs, I dont think the Floor era songs are that great for the most part. However Floor singing the older songs is the peak, but we will only ever get that live.
@@chrism2964 went to Birmingham concertin November. Totally agree that Floor bashing away at the best tracks from Tarja and Annette days us ‘something else’.
Yes Tarja and Simone are the best in this genre to me
Your attitude is great, as is the fact that you don't pick sides. Not everyone will give space to both sides in this drama. Even though I didn't expect it, thanks for the reaction to this video. Some may find it controversial, on the other hand, few are reluctant to condemn her after one listen to Master Passion Greed or Poet and the Pendulum.
And you're right. I think, that she really doesn't like it when people keep asking her about Nightwish. No questions about her past in the band, because she says it's an essential part of her life. But she doesn't like questions about her relationship with Tuomas and the breakup with the band. She tries to divert from those questions, which I noticed from her interview.
It's important when she talks about the comparisons with Nightwish. She was and still is attacked today by a lot of Nightwish fans that say her solo career is bad because it's not "as good as Nightwish". But she doesn't want to do Nightwish. She wants to do herself. We still call her music symphonic metal but she calls it hard rock, and it has obviously classical and symphonic touches. She has said "my next rock album" for years now, not metal. But we still associate her as the symphonic metal queen. So many people talk about her as "ex-Nightwish". Interviewers ask her today, almost 18 years since she left the band, if there is any chance of a reunion. So, the comparisons never ended. The ghost of Nightwish still haunts her to this day. But she is at peace now. Marko will open two of her shows soon, one in July and the other in August, and they will probably sing together. They have met in 2018 at a Christmas tour and sang Ave Maria together. Both of them said they hugged and cried a lot backstage. So it's nice to see how far she's come despite all difficulties.
From the limited information we have, it appears that much of this situation stemmed from a lack of proper communication. Instead of expressing their displeasure with her behavior, it seems they may have kept it to themselves. I think that because she likely wouldn't have been so shocked by the letter if they had been discussing these issues beforehand.
This piece of news was a true shock for the fans too ... not only for her. Tuomas has admitted that the way was wrong and he thinks that at that moment they could not find other or better way but later he thinks that it really should have been done totally different way (maybe something like she expected). They do not communicate much still but it is true that Tarja contacted Tuomas warmly when she heard that his father had passed away. She remembers him (father of Tuomas) because they truly were like local friends all in those small circles of Kitee. With Marco they did some Christmas song gigs together...do react to those too...they also hugged each other when they met at the hotel. Tuomas was very down after that separation process...and the next song was "Poet and the Pendulum" following "Bye Bye Beautiful" and "Master Passion Greed". Those all are grand songs and poetry and they do reflect to Tarja somehow and show clearly the overall meaning and level of pain behind.
When they agreed Tarja would do 2 more albums and 2 more tours....that is the moment it went wrong. They should never have made that deal. A final tour....they could have called it the End of an Era Tour.... it could have been a beautiful goodbye.
And then the band made additional mistakes. 2 songs on the album Once that kind of reflect the awkwardness of the situation (Romanticide and GLS) I would not have made Tarja sing sing that (even though I love both songs) And then the letter: A simple "It was awesome, but it is not working out so good anymore" would have been way, way better.
In the end it got us to a Nightwish with Floor and I am glad we all got to see that.
All hale the REAL TRUE QUEEN 👑 of NIGHTWISH and of ALL FEMALE SYMPHONIC METAL SINGERS!!!, the very beautiful looking and very unique voice of the enchanting TARJA!!!😀👍👍🤘
Mmh, for me FLOOR, the VALKYRIE QUEEN. I mean, it is better, first the open Letter from Nightwish, and then Tarjas answer. But it is history, and a long time over
Every statistic from the past few years proves the opposite.
It was her decision to leave. I like her and I agree with her that leaving the band was the right thing to do. But when you decide to leave you give up your right to that throne. Tarja can be important to Nightwish and have created awesome music with them. You can even say you liked NW better with Tarja, but she is no longer the queen.
@@TomTomson81Every statistic… 😂😂😂😂
you are sick
Some of these Tarja haters are nutters. They stalk every video of her on RUclips and ridicule her.
I don’t think people hate her, they just see through her BS.
Wow, I had no idea it would turn into a reaction video. But it's Tarja's point of view, and it's good to know.
Can't watch this any more for obvious reasons .
Much love for my QUEEN TARJA - FOREVER MORE !!!!! ☮☮💘💘☮☮💘💘
sick of it , afther 17 years
The mature thing to do would be to finish the album that Tarja agreed to do with the band, announce a farewell tour with Tarja to maximize ticket sales. Complete the tour and then hold a joint press conference introducing their new singer and Tarja wishing them well. Everyone gets what they want musically without the negativity. OMG, two and a half years notice. But that's not good enough for Tuomas. He wanted to have control and wanted to vilify Tarja. I will never take Tuomas' side on this issue.
Well I realy understand why the guys dident want to do a Tarja farewell tour... As Nightwish was a lot bigger than Tarja, thats the whole point they where making lol It was not about naking money either, then they eould have listened to Tarja and not toured in north america.... you seemed to hace missed the point....
I think that's exactly what they're doing now. One more album with Floor, then a farewell tour and... we'll see.
@@noneofyerbeeswax8194 well they are not gonna tour the next album so that farewell tour in that case is in the far future.....
it was the band , not onley tuomas
well, we will never know what really happened between them but Tarja had already told them that she was going to leave after the next album and they made public a decision in which they did not have the honor of saying it to her face her.
Mouse - Supremacy woodstock 2016 is an good example of how good Tarjas is :)
Edit: you have watched that video nvm :D. I grew up with Tarja in Nightwish and for me she is Nightwish.. im not a fan of the band of anything but i love the older songs. AND i hate the comparison with Floor. Different singers, but the old songs where written for Tarjas beautiful voice so... Glad Midsommar alla!
The Poet and The Pendulum is just taking the "mickey" out of this and making a show. There is a song that Tarja did "Enough" to answer this and referring to the letter and song.
Enough
Ego selfish primadonna
Dancing in your poisoned cage
Thinking that your conscience's clearer
If you drink your dreams away
Feed your anger to the devil
In your self built wishing well
Take a swim in muddy waters
All the dirt will leave a trail
Had enough symphonies of sorrow
The beasts of prey a breath away
Masterpiece of treachery
Build a wall and make me crumble
Just because I am in love
Don't you cry now look at all the
Dolls and toys that you have got
Smashed the mirror of perversion
With the dagger that you made
Mirror, mirror, is there someone
Who can make your day today?
Had enough symphonies of sorrow
The beasts of prey a breath away
I've had enough symphonies of sorrow
Beasts of prey one breath away
Masterpiece of treachery
Kept my thoughts buried in a box
With each shot I still kept it locked
You drew a play written with my blood
Went ahead just to feed the lot
I've had enough symphonies of sorrow
The beasts of prey a breath away
I've had enough symphonies of agony
Beasts of prey one breath away
Masterpiece of treachery
But this was all Marko's manipulation just like it was with Anette. Marko was jealous and also there was love interests that were one sided. Marko is the bad apple and he used the same excuse to quit that Tarja was blamed off manager/finances. Marko is the ass here attention seeking that you can see on concerts where it comes to thanking the crowd and band members. He met his match with Floor and if you take a note he doesn't go anywhere near Floor instead walks stair out and back passing the other band members. When you see it you can't unsee it. He is the one (bad apple) that manipulated this to go how it went. So sad. Respect to Tarja not pointing fingers in public.
Poet has very little to do with Tarja. Its more about the backlash from media and fans
Bye bye Beautiful is aimed at Tarja and Master Passion Greed at her husband
😢😢😢😢 My Queen
I don't know if this should be a reaction video... I'm a little worried that the comment section will inevitably turn into a mess
I think both sides made mistakes, I also firmly believe no one meant to hurt anyone. But some fans actively hate Tarja or the rest of the band and blame either of them to this day... so I have a bad feeling about this
If people didn't argue over this video, they will argue over any NW-related song, interview, press conference, or RUclips shorts. There are always fans who choose to blame one side or the other for everything. Fortunately, RUclips can handle rude comments on its own.
What I unfortunately see with the reaction videos is that the reactors listen to The Poet and The Pendulum, read Tuomas's letter and "know" who is the victim and who is the villain. Most of the reaction scene agree with this and look no further and those who watch the reaction video will take this view.
At first I was also a bit taken aback that this was a reaction video, but there are quite a few who try to show the other side's point of view, even if it is painful.
I love both sides as an artist and I think black and white is nothing.
I'm also a bit worried about this
The only mistakes I see the band made is the content of the public letter. But I find it really odd that people don't see from this video or Tarja's reply that she is only pissed because she got exposed. "I gave them warning of 2.5yrs in advance" so what's the problem then? Now you are free. The issue is that she wanted to leave without any dirt on her.
She admits that everything the band wrote is true. "Everyone of this band could have stated that they are leaving in 1 day notice" while she perfectly knows that in her case it would mean the band is essentially dead, while anyone except Tuomas can be replaced.
This is clear "look at me I'm a poor woman" kind of attempt to clear her name and put the blame on the band. And that pisses me off.
It's so obvious that she is just pissed because she got exposed by the letter. And I do get that completely, she has every right to be. If she would have just stated that she is sad because of the way her bandmates fired her, then I would have respect for her. But when you try to manipulate the situation through fake crying and try these stupid ways to damage control, it just pissed me off.
But people make mistakes, so while I'm on the side of the band, I'm not against Tarja. I loved her in the band, love her voice and performances. And while I'm on the side of the band, I also think their timing with the letter was poor, and the content was little too harsh.
@@juzujuzu4555 The letter was wrong, and that's the only thing we can agree on. I will not pick sides or point fingers at either of them. And I certainly won't judge anyone for being emotional in public.
@@juzujuzu4555 then we don't disagree as much as I thought, but there are still points I see from a different angle.
She did say she was upset about the way it was handled. She did say that. She didn't deny that she wasn't happy in the band and already thought about leaving, and that she would have preferred to leave on her own terms (I also see why the band wanted to end their cooperation earlier, I feel like that's entirely understandable).
As for the airplane fight, I think hearing the whole conversation would shed a lot more light on the context and I don't know who I would agree with more afterwards, but even when said in anger I understand why it hurt Tuomas. I don't think she would have actually left like that, she is too responsible and dedicated to her work, but of course you need your band members to be committed.
If I would fault the other band members for anything it's letting their management be this chaotic and endorsing it. (Not Emppu necessarily, he critised their management for not doing their job properly, making alcoholic drinks and having a good time a priority over the band's needs (his words), and I do think this was hardest on Tarja) but the problems started even before Marcelo came into the picture so it wasn't just the two management situation -- that only made already existing problems worse. And Tuomas avoiding any kind of conflict. Which, I am kinda the same, so again I get it, but working together needs a lot of communication and everyone was doing a bad job with that apparently.
And also the "fake" crying... I don't like the "women are manipulative" rhetoric at all. Maybe a lot of women don't have their walls up as much as many men do because we weren't raised with the "real men don't cry" attitude (which is bullsh*t anyway). But I would have been surprised if she hadn't gotten emotional about this. It was a form of betrayal, because the content of the letter was personal, and it was published. Of course the shock sits deep. And this wasn't long after the letter. So yeah, there are no facts for this, but my feeling tells me it was genuine.
End of a Era is hard to watch and I have over and over!
She was the reason they got famed and then they trough her out.
Well, after what happened with Tarja and later with Annette, I fear for Floor. That's the problem with doing sh*tty things public, they set a pattern. I still love Nightwish's music, though.
Great history!
It's crazy when Tarja says that she threatened to leave Pandi with a day's notice. No one wants that kind of atmosphere in the band, hardly even Tarja.
Well, maybe Tarja will see in retrospect how things didn't work as they should and also from the point of view of others, and not just from her own point of view.
Of course, a decision like that should be handled nicely from everyone's point of view, and at that time Nightwish apparently didn't have the skills to do that, now surely the matter would be handled much nicer from Tarja's point of view.
Great period in Nightwish.
It was not a threat. It was a point of allowing people to walk away and waiting for a chance for both sides to make a statement as oppossed to ending the show. Heading probablly to a hotel, or airport and not even telling the person how things stand, sandbagging them by publiclly firing them without even telling them 1st in private. That letter was sealed and she was told to wait until the next day to open it. Then it was published online at 2 in the morning. I expect that was someone at the labels doing.
That was low, dirty and nasty.
You could could meet. Talk things out and come up with a joint press conference or at least statement about artistic and personal differences and the tour being a high point and the album. Not wanting to try to top that, deal with pressures and deal with finding a new voice for the band hanging over them. That it would be best for everyone to start fresh.
Wish everyone all happiness and success and support publicly the very best and full support for eachother going forward.
As opposed to dropping a vitrioloic smear piece to the press without ever having the integrity or fortitude to talk to them. Damn low.
”I cannot cry ’cause the shoulder cries more” 🙄
Los problemas verdaderos con Nightwish empezaron con la gira en Argentina donde Tarja conoce a Marcelo...posiblemente hubo un amor truncado entre Tarja y Tuomas , las dedicatorias de las músicas te dan a entender tal cosa , Ever Dream, sus letras son muy evidentes del amor truncado o fallido! Creo que no supieron sobrellevar sus relaciones personales, lo llevaron en el escenario frente a todos mezclando lo personal con lo profesional!!! Una lastima que la era más querida por muchos haya terminado de esa manera, pero en la actualidad ya adultos y maduros por más que sigan doliendo sus heridas en entrevistas han dejado claro ambos que se han enviado email mutuamente están en contacto, Marco y Tarja volverán a unir sus voces en un concierto en el mes de julio de este año, de ahí a que haya perdón entre los integrantes de la primera era creo que se va a dar pero olvidar ese episodio si que no lo creo, los malos entendidos sumándose con el egocentrismo e inmadurez fueron los suministros para que la banda se separaran, solo espero que alguna vez se reconcilien hagan las pases y como muestra de respeto a sus públicos hagan un concierto juntos como antes!!!
Excelente reacción tuve empatía con los sentimientos del reactor 💪🏻buena vibra para todos desde Paraguay 🇵🇾apoyo este canal🤘🏻
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Tuomas was in love w her. Read the book!
What book? Tarja's or Nightwish' book?
The problem where Tarja messed up, was ALLOWING her husband to INTERFERE WITH THE DECISION MAKING for her and the band Nightwish. Her husband was CAUGHT SOMETIME AFTER, STEALING Nightwish tickets, and SELLING THEM AND POCKETING THE MONEY FOR HIMSELF.
I agree 100%
That is quite harsh accusation - based on what information and proof?
Tuomas was a Diva!!
@@OathKeeper95 The most funny comment, about Tuomas, i ever read. And Tarja and Marcello little victims. OMG
The problem where Tarja messed up is that she ended up in a band that loved living the tour-bus-band-lifestyle, where she HATED every minute on that bus. That is why she asked for shorter tours in bigger stadiums...fly-in, fly-out. The rest of the band did not want to change, so Tarja decided she would have to leave Nightwish, which she announced after the Century Child Tour in 2003. Tarja was not in a hurry to leave and the band did not want to see her go, so they (together) agreed she would do 2 more albums and 2 tours together with Nightwish. But when the first tour got extended from 12 to 18 months without even asking, Tarja felt their agreement was void. And unhappy employees often say "I don't get paid enough to take this shit" ....and then it turned south...
Her husband may have been an asshole towards the band, but in the end he just stood up for his wife. And when you OWN a couple of tickets that were given to you, you can sell them... Not something I would do, but that is not stealing.
Go reaction Tarja Turunen namb cover!
I totally ‘buy in ‘ to Tuomas and the guys’ version of events. Tarja had become a diva who thought , also driven by mr tarja, that she was the star of and bigger than the band. And was planning to leave anyway. But Once was the climax of ‘phase one Nightwish’ so she left a good legacy. And without the ‘fall out’ there would have no ‘Poet and the pendulum’ no ‘ imaginaerum’ and no ‘latter day Freddie Mercury’ (in terms of stage presence and charisma) in the form of Floor. And Tarja herself. In recent concerts she looks and sounds better than ever and gives every impression of enjoying herself. And she is to perform with Marko this year he who apparently told Tuomas ‘its her or me’, so bridges appear to have been rebuilt. Overall, and only coming to Nightwish in 2022, I think the development ofTuomas and the band through Annette and Floor phases has been much better than unchanging Tarja OR WORSE the possible total break up of the band after a period of acrimony. And, 15 or more years on Tarja does indeed look and sound better than ever.
I feel Marko loss is even greater one…so much Viking metal power lost
I remember when this happened I saw Tarja's reaction ,I thought that was just bunch of crocodile tears from woman who was threatening to leave them and wanting no U.S tours because venues and rewards didn't meet her expectations.
Later I understood that no one, not even the band ultimately didn't want things to go like this. But I guess the resentment was so deep by this time that Tuomas and guys saw this as the only solution.
Thank goodness she got to continue her career after this. After all she was our 1st Goddess of metal. Shame things went like this, but if they would of happened differently, there is a chance Floor wouldn't be in NW right now.
Never forget that Tarja had already quit NIghtwish. Tarja and Nightwish had agreed upon finishing the tour and producing one more album before going their separate ways. This situation was like quitting your job with two weeks notice and your boss telling you not come back for week two because you were too disruptive during your first week of your notice period. The tears ring hollow.
They fired the singer after her to. Annette.
nice try some document like the story of floor jansen or sms
The tears of a crocodile. Thanks to Marcello. Master Passion Greed
What an unjust comment. You do not know her at all. This press conference took 1 and half hour, and this is only a glimpse of it. You also need to realise how young she was at the time talking to a large group of journalists. Put yourself in the same situation. Her pain is immense and tears genuine.
@@riittasihvonen2011 ok, sorry.i dont know her Situation. Here in YT, we see only this.But over 1h , i understand Tarja.
@@riittasihvonen2011 Unfortunately my friend i see here some Tarja s haters have become psychologists, experts of music industry, judges.They analyse emotions and read minds.i m sick of it
@@ralfmeyer9086 It takes courage to openly admit one's misjudgement. Well done!
@@riittasihvonen2011 Thanks, but the open Letter, and the problem with Marcello. This is a terrible Situation. But so long ago, Nightwish has Floor, and Tarja her solo career .🤘
Men are so easily manipulated by women and their tears. Thus women have perfected their act of crying on command. Tarja already said she is not going to tour anymore and will only make one album. Tuomas couldn't write to her anymore because of that, and the band couldn't have taken the financial hit of not touring.
The band perhaps didn't handle the firing optimally, but on the other hand they knew the risks of allowing Tarja/Marcelo make up their narrative. Based on her reply to the open letter it's obvious she cannot argue against any of their points because she doesn't even try. Instead she focuses on becoming a victim and all the simps in the world eat the hook line and sinker.
If there are reasons that support Tarja's point, those are not made public at least. It's a sad situation, but one where I get the band and I'm on their side almost completely.
If you are a woman, like I am, you should be ashamed of what you just wrote.
You don't represent me nor the things you wrote.
But you probably are just making up your ideia of what a woman is, it really says more about you.
These things with Nightwish should have been kept private, yet they choosed to trash her and try to destroy her future opportunities by doing so. She naturally answered and defended herself.
Do you also think this is a professional way of firing someone?
At least I'm glad both Nightwish and Tarja are in a MUCH Better place nowadays!
@@musicredshoes And why should I be ashamed of telling the truth? I have no interest on representing anyone except the truth.
Ask yourself what makes you so angry about the obvious truth.
I think the letter in principle was justified because the situation for the band was essentially life or death. Tarja/Marcelo could have taken the narrative and that could have been the end for the band.
The opposite however was not possible. The letter couldn't have killed Tarja's career.
The letter perhaps was not professional way to fire someone, but neither was Tarja's behavior. For most people the band was just Tarja's backup band. She had immense amount of power over the band. That was their attempt to gain some of it back.
On principle I think the public letter wouldn't have been a problem, but the content and timing was poor.
But you have to remember that it was not Tuomas' letter, it was unanimous letter by them all. They all thought that was the way to go. And it was about the future of the whole crew, as Tarja wasn't going to tour anymore.
Certainly the goal wasn't trying to trash Tarja's career, it was to save Nightwish. And it's very well possible that even though the letter backfired that it was still the best thing to do.
Yes, I agree that it's great that Tarja and Nightwish both survived. And I'm also really sad for them all to have had to suffer this ordeal.
@@musicredshoes Also why anything I wrote has to do with me being woman or not? It's antropological fact that woman have perfected the act of crying. Though women perhaps would like to hold all of their weapons onto themselves, and even not face the truth of themselves.
Men have a ton of their own issues. So this is not about men > women at all. Weak men are the root cause of so many problems in our society.
Then again we live in an age where you can be woman with penis and man with uterus, so it shouldn't be a surprise that obvious truths are somehow violent nowadays.
@@juzujuzu4555 you have issues..... gi solve them...
@@Blackwolf.777 Maybe say that same sentence over the mirror. I have only issues with ignorant easily manipulated men who fall for all sorts of scams, either by women, or by our society.
I have empathy for more than average person, and I do have it for Tarja, but not for this press conference which I absolutely hated for the obvious reasons.
I have to say, and I understand that this is rock and metal, but this was an act (seeing with today's eyes) it was sexism, it was mistreatment and a hard blow. That moved the whole environment a bit, and not so much, that nowadays the bands of female singers have given their place or something as simple as their privacy and dressing room to their vocalists.
I understand that Toumas created an incredible album after this separation but everything revolved around him, he was the victim, he was the friend betrayed by his friend, he was the one who was close to suicide, but his behavior was very childish.
Perhaps at that time it was all very passionate on the part of the fans and it took us years to mature and understand that deep down Tarja only fell in love with one man, her husband and father of her daughter, and that somehow Toumas and the band pushed Tarja into Marcelo's arms, because she met him on the South American Tour, first when a fan in Mexico came up on stage, threw Tarja to the ground and touched her, the band kept playing and they almost came out to say that the show it ended because Tarja didn't want to continue singing, and not because she had been abused. Marcelo was there, and then in Brazil, Argentina and Chile Marcelo was their tour guide because Tarja was alone on the tour.
Beyond the fact that Tarja continues to make music about overcoming this issue, she never put herself in that place of denouncing that everything that happened was an abuse, just as Toumas now celebrates life, he does not hate him anymore or write songs for him again. to her.
Tarja always proved to be a little more mature.
It amazes me how easily people believed her "crocodile tears". She fenced herself off from the band and then complains that no one talked to her. Really? She's playing the victim, but let me remind you: She turned not only Tuomas against herself, but the others also wanted to get rid of her. If so many people don't want you on their team, then it's probably you and not them who's the problem, isn't it?
Men are stupid and easily manipulated and women defend women and are willfully ignorant on the usage of their main weapons. That's the sad reality.
I had nothing against Tarja, though I hate this conference and her playing the victim.
For the band this was matter of life and death, because Tarja could have sank their reputation and get enough fans to drop the band, while she herself would still have solo career that she wanted anyway.
Also it's not just the main band members but the whole team that probably wanted her out. They wouldn't have made money without touring.
Let me guess, because you know Tarja very well and you where there the whole time, so you can reveal us all the truth!
How foolish we All are not to Believe that open letter like a holy bible, because that open letter Tuomas wrote never wanted any fan to take his side of the story, it was a pure truthful text, never a sign of Who leads the band!
Ah and I should also adopt that method when dismissing my employees, its just to put it on the official website of the enterprise, and let them live their lives and find a new job anywhere!
I don't even know how stupid is Marco Hietala for making peace with Tarja and tell her the whole thing was not handled well, such a perfect way of dismissing someone and there's people who even complain about it! And Floor, how can she still be friends with a person like Tarja who is always playing the victim!
Thank you Andrey for showing us the Truth, women like Tarja just pour crocodile tears without any reason to complain... she just needed to endure any condition of travelling and f*cked up her health and voice while on tour, and on once tour her her mother died, but cm'on, everybody will die someday, isn't it?
Continue the good word on every Nighwish Tarja video you comment! People will always believe you!
@@musicredshoes If you think that everything Tuomas wrote in his open letter is a lie, then why was she fired? Because they are "evil"?
And as for your employees: If one of them said that she plans to leave your company in two and a half years, BUT reserves the right to leave at any time, giving only a day's notice, then I very much doubt that you would be very kind to such an employee.
@@SokolRock Thats really a good point you made, Because I had not only once, but at least 2 times when a former employee explained to me that he or she had to leave this job for personal reasons in a year, and in another situation it was only six months in advance.
And I may tell you that although I was sad because they were leaving, I just asked them to continue to give their best until the last day, and I treated them kindly until the last minute of working for me, and I even wrote a recomendation letter to help one of them finding a new job because he explained to me his reasons in a private and reasonable way, and that is how you handle this kind of professional matters Mr.
May life teach you to be decent even in hard situations, instead of wanting revenge and destroying ones life in the public eye. Tuomas could have solved Everything in private in a professional way, yet, he wanted to trash someone's life and future chances of a career!
It worked for people like you, who just continue to spread another one's supposed frustrations (probably some of your too), yet it doesn't work for a woman like me, because I know how to be professional even in hard situations, and I am also too decent to try to turn everybody against someone I don't like just for revenge, that is probably our difference, Andrey!
@@musicredshoes But you evaded the answer to the "uncomfortable" part of my comment: If your employee threatens you to leave at any moment if he/she doesn't like something, will you tolerate it? And I will also repeat the first part: If what Tuomas said in his letter is false, then why do you think Tarja was fired?
This was Exploitive to show this..Again. When Women cry & get teary-eyed, They get Sympathy. IF Men do the same thing..They get LAUGHED AT or Rediculed. I Know This----There is MORE than just Tarja's side and Crying. There is NIGHTWISH'S p.o.v.
So, when Tarja cries, he is an exploiter. I didn't notice that when Tuomas almost cried, someone would laugh. Everyone was moved by what I saw.
If you laugh at or ridicule anyone who is genuinely crying, you're a jerk, doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman. "I Know this" if that's your experience, I'm sorry. Sympathy should be a given, no matter the gender.
*But* since you actively seek out anything to do with Tarja (like her label releasing part of the Wacken Church concert) and miss no chance to put her down, I don't know how much empathy and kindness I could expect from *you*
@@karadenizin-kizi This has nothing to do with empathy for anyone. This person is determined to find Tarja's every RUclips video to bring her down. His comments only reflect his obsession combined with resentment, making excuses for Floor. I don't know if she would be happy about that.
@@PetraPola I know, I've seen them before and their comments. I know they are biased and not interested in finding even an ounce of middle ground
@@karadenizin-kizi Πες τα χρυσοστομη! ( Greek proverb) i agree!!!
I just can't believe why you all are defending Tarja, it's like..............ohhh the girl is crying, we should console her. But infact she was the one opposing threads like; ”I don't need Nightwish anymore.” and ”Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day's warning in advance”. That,....together with greed and lack of interest of rehearsing with the band, clearly shows diva behavior from her part. Just to be clear, I don't want to condemn Tarja's vocal abillity's here, as she's a great vocalist, just those bad manners she displays toward the band. There is a saying that says; "Where two argue, two are at fault."
We all know two are at fault. But theres a difference between being a diva and being fed up with the whacky management and the touring schedules and the drinking but ofc her issues with all that (which are understandable) soured the mood for everyone. She's a human being and she most definitely did a lot of mistakes in how she handled all this. But I HATE how most people who call out Tarja here can't do so without getting lowkey misogynistic like "ohhh the girl is crying" ive only seen people mention that she's a girl and that she's crying who then go "well shes a girl and she's crying so it's all FAKE and manipulation".
She's crying bc she's disappointed that the band couldnt look her in the eye and tell her they wanted to split from her and instead made it public and calling her names. If that's not understandable that she's upset I dont know what is. Ofc she contributed to the split. The letter was still a shitty move and she has all right to be upset about that.
I do not feel sorry for her after reading the open letter. simple as that. She sang many song as if trying to catch up to the musicians. Floor is another level completely.
Ah.. Floor fans. Always the kindest souls out there ♡
@@kazfarah7623Try to ignore them.. Most of them are just trolls.. And they all believe Tuomas‘ words from this awful letter.. And they can’t accept Tarja as an amazing singer with an exceptional unique and beautiful voice..
sche almost destroy the band
No sche didn't. Tuomas was this 🤏 close to breaking up the band way before Tarja decided to leave (bc of Sami and bc Tuomas didn't have the courage to tell him so he had him fired via the management). The band's history has always been rocky but sure blame it all on Tarja why dontcha