KORRA vs. AANG: Media CAN'T QUIT Making Strawman Arguments Over CARTOONS?!
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- It must be a slow news week, as the media keeps doubling down on The Legend of Korra vs. Avatar: The Last Airbender. The latest strawman article is that everyone calls Korra a "MarySue" (do they REALLY?) and that sexism is why Avatar fans hate the show. Couldn't possibly be because it's BORING, could it?
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Saying Korra is the best because she is a female is actually sexist. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Oh no no no. We dislike Korra because she's a woman, not because she's a boring and annoying person who's actions destroyed the Avatar universe's charm and mysticism.
The last Airbender had a writer who understood religion and theology. Crafting the narrative to identify the Avatar as a higher being who took mortal form, and trapped himself within the mortal world to alleviate mortal suffering, never again being able to go home...
Korra says the Avatar is a loser guy who took bending from turtles and disrupted good vs evil, before absorbing good and becoming the Avatar? Just... how? How do you flip the table on your own IP?
Dav Free and Wan was still a better Avatar then Korra.
@@stonefree7973People only hate Hillary Clinton because she is a woman not because she has been accused of sex trafficking
@@azul5148 Hillary's vote bending skills were weak compared to the powers of a All-Mighty stand master.
hot take: having gay characters and a female lead doesn't fix bad writing and boring characters.
*GASP* How dare you? Next you'll tell me She-Ra sucked?
@Neil Brown Writing good characters is just too much work. Have mercy on these people, they only learned about representation and not writing.
They didn't even have gay characters. They literally shoehorned the gayness at the very last episode and even then it was only made clear in a statement by the creators After the show already ended.
It's like JK Rowling suddenly deciding that Dumbledore was gay.
@Biggie Boi Not really. Korra tried to break up Mako and Asami just so she can be with him.
That's not a hot take, that's a fact
Korra vs Aang doesn't matter the best bender was Toph.
Toph is a goat 😤. I would’ve loved more toph.
The Boulder is offended.
Toph should’ve gotten her own spin off series as an adult or something
Pacotes??
The best supporting characters in the series are Toph, Sokka, and Iroh.
so sexist that kyoshi warriors was so beloved
Katara, Toph, Ty Lee, Azula, June. All better than Korra
@@scottrauch1261 katara you mean
@@dasia2345 yeah, thanks
The fun thing is while Korra was an unlikeable bitch, Azula was a LIKEABLE bitch who actually added to the story and deserved her scenes.
Aikurisu While I can’t stand Azula, I would agree with you... she’s an antagonist to reckon with, and that Zuko should overcome... power as she is, she also have flaw, like she’s not sociable at all! Ember Island Players episode proves that...
What ticks me off the most with counterarguments from Korra-Stans is when they try to lump Korra & Zuko's characters together just bc they're both hotheads..The stupidity/total disregard had me like:😓😡
@D M Exactly. I agree that Korra went thru shit too but it happened LATER in show while Zuko's trauma happened the ENTIRETY his adolescent life, so he had the better & more understandable reason for the way he was at the time- earlier season Korra did not. It like those hoes didn't watch TLA @ all even tho they proudly claim that they're former fans. Bitch gtfo🤦♂️
@a HERO that doesn’t know what protect means If you go with generalizing then yea sure but at that point you might as well include rest of the cast then since they exhibited some of those too
@a HERO that doesn’t know what protect means "Eh to some extent?"
^That's my point, it's kinda-but-not-really sort of thing with those 2 & I think the opposing side is reaching a bit high there
D M actually tbf Korra has gone through some shit, but I don’t like you blatantly ignoring she went through abuse, isolation, terrorism, betrayal, deaths, hopelessness when she was going to lose the only thing that made her identity (which was her bending being taken from Amon), ptsd, and more.
And I don’t think people understand but the point of her character IN BOOK ONE was supposed to be cocky, bratty, and attitudinal for her character arc. That’s like complaining how obsessed and evil Zuko was in book one. They both were made the way they were to pave their character growth throughout the story. Korra grew as an avatar and character. She went from a full of herself avatar who believed stopping criminals was all it took and became a respectable avatar who initiates and strives for peace, and uses her bending to help retain the peace and stop people who a hungry for power or their twisted ideals. Korra and Zuko arcs aren’t that similar correct but she does still have one of her own that was handled pretty well.
@@terrakage4462 ruclips.net/video/J4FvYY2KTPs/видео.html
"Lightning Bending a cool as hell special move, now a basic B factory job that pays literal pennies"
Bro that was so stupid
That's an industrial revolution for you. I thought it was fine, if not a bit on the nose.
I thought that it was a good way to utilize the technique then but now I realize it basically torture for those working. Trying to generate that much energy for a city should be killing them.
Let me give you an example to help understand. In one experiment it took more than a 100 people generate power for a water heater running for 15 mins. They used cycles attached to a small generator with a level they had to maintain.
@@amanvarkkey930 Given the horrible conditions of factories in our industrial revolution, it's not unreasonable.
It makes sense since it wouldn't be a secret technique to the noble families anymore.
as for the Mary sue argument, here's some reasoning. Korra could already water, Earth and firebend as a toddler. aang never used a different bending until taught. she also only got airbending after losing all others and never truly learned it.
And she was mad for no reason
When she airbended for the first time, I was like "Why are you airbending like a firebender?"
At least she had difficulty learning airbending, a true Mary Sue would have picked it up effortlessly.
@@larrydavison8298 and she airbended one time and all of a sudden came on Master at it
I do agree with this. I had a different idea for a pilot where she is growing while training with water, earth and fire. Tenzen will be popping up occasionally and she tries to plead with him to learn airbending. Then after completing fire she would take action and leave for the air temple.
Aang: has flaws that get called out, starts off as a mischievous kid, has consistent fears, learns lessons, changes after failures, grows to become an accomplished Avatar.
Korra: has flaws that barely get called out, struggles yet doesn’t learn and works around to force her strengths to get through obstacles, has inconsistent fears, causes problems instead of solving them, gets successes handed to her, grows to become a neutered Avatar.
Dream-Piper For real tho... bruh
She gets crippled as a result of her brashness which imo was the best thing they could’ve done for her character
She was a little kid when she basically had water, fire and earth bending down pat, screaming: "I'M THE AVATAR! YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT!" This was when the Order of the White Lotus were still looking for her. They didn't even test her to tell her she was the avatar and she figured out how to bend the other elements on her own.
Aang was 12 and at least truly mastered his own element but had not been able to bend any other element. Even before he ran off they had only just told him he had to master the other elements to fight the fire nation, not when he spent any time with Boomy did he learn earth bending, not waterbending when he would visit the poles to go penguin sledding or fire bending with the friends he said he had in the fire nation. Not from what we see him straight out the ice Berg at least.
Using the "Avatar" card explain a toddler bending 3 elements out the gate when it took three seasons for the last one to master the three with training and teachers is some cosmic level bs lazy writing.
That's exactly the point of korra she was neutered by the white lotus instead of having her journey like all other avatars
Also she didn't mastered 3 elements when she was a toddler she was able to bend 3 elements but it took her until her teens to master them, even though she was proficient in those 3 she didn't gad real hand to hand combat until she arrived to republic city.
She is a completely different person than Aang and that's okay
She was raised in a relative peaceful time thanks to Aang.
But as accomplished Aang was the figure of the Avatar got institutionalized specially in Republic city, long gone where the days when most of the cities were small towns with little population isolated from one another.
She was an Avatar in a Time where the Avatar might not be necessary and that her action cause big consequences.
She is a hot headed and hormonal teen bound to make mistakes with incredibly amount of power with a lot of other ppl trying to shape it in its ideal instead for what she is.
She is no Aang who was an air nomad monk that trained his whole life to be the lovable kids
Most of Korra's training was focused in combat because of the Red Lotus threat which also prevented her to haver her journey to other lands to truly grow as a proper avatar
But that doesn't make the show bad just makes it different
And being different is not a bad thing.
You are entitled to your opinion if you think the show is bad thats good.
But hating on a show cuz you don't like it is just dumb
@@kevinsantos5050 Thank you!
just started watching Korra and honestly I can see why peeps hate her the way she played Bolin was just wrong if a guy did that he'd be called a sexist misogynistic creep....
Season one was really dragged down by the romance subplot and future seasons don't exactly have great romance writing either. The only ... competently written romance was Verrick and his secretary, but Metoo era that makes that problematic now.
@@Hyperencrpted12345 why was Verrick white? lol sorry I'm only halfway through book one lol
@@RyoUrawa777 He and his secretary actually have a sort of organic relationship growth while the romance of everyone else who gets romantically involved is written bizarrely.
@@Hyperencrpted12345 yeah that sounds pretty lame to me...
I stopped watching when she was in that ball tournament thing with bad romance in the middle, the plot was dragged to the point that i didn't care anymore
After the 1st season Korra gets everything she wanted. She was boring, and it was written so lazily.
MrBentham how
"I'm the Avatar! And you gotta deal with it!"
Yeah, totally not Mary Sue. Compare to humble Aang who didn't even want to be the Avatar.
After season 1 Avatar Wan was the only thing I really cared about
Yeah like how in season 2 she gets her Avatar past lives murdered, season 3 she gets poisoned and PTSD, and in Season 4 struggles to get better even with therapy, friends, and family
Genome Soldat completely ignoring her getting arrested in the first episode for screwing up royally trying to help, her screwing up in Pro-Bending because she didn’t know the rules, her being terrified of Amon, her inability to bend so much as a breeze until the season finale, how she screwed up with kissing Mako, the list goes on.
Did you even watch the show? She is anything BUT a Mary Sue in the first season
I want a Steven Universe live action remake where Steven is a toxic masculine Chad and the gems become his harem.
.....I like it.
Turnabout's fair play; they want to subvert everything, let's subvert their crap.
@@jakefrost7404 What am I saying, there's probably a Tumblr Rule 34 fanart about it.
@@hanzohattori1196 Most likely, but *_no way_* am I going to subject myself to the diseased sewage that is the Steven Universe online community. It'll likely give me something that even gunpowder can't cure.
@@jakefrost7404 Oh no, by Crom, the Nine and the Emperor, no!
I would actually watch it
The show has been over for years. Why didn't they argue about this years ago?
@@beautifulbliss5883 who was she?
Spritemon 98 exactly.
probably because both series got added to American Netflix lol
Ah. Yes. Legend of Korra. A series SO BELOVED that even their fucking metwork moved it to streamimg in the last season LMAO.
Because no one watched it. That's why it was put moved online
A toddler says" I am the Avatar and you got to deal with it" while having three of the four powers is very Mary Sue like.
That's what gets me, ATLA made very clear the Avatar does not know how to instinctively bend outside their own element and has to be taught. Then LOK came a long and shit on that with a Toddler Korra knowing Earthbending and Firebending, that pisses me off.
Aang was 12 when he ONLY mastered Airbending and was the youngest airbending master. He had to train for months to master other 3 elements.
But Korra? She mastered 3 elements at age 4! Without any journeys or training. If that doesn't scream "Mah Rey Sue" to anyone I don't know what does.
Yeah and I get it was meant to be funny and show how aggressive she is, but the problem is it was done horribly. Sometimes subtle
Legit most avatar fans will admit the quality of writing for Korra was not up to snuff like Aang's story, mostly because the showrunners were the idea guys and the head writer and his crew made it work. Without the latter the former floundered. That's not to say there weren't solid ideas in the story, but they were handled horribly. Zaheer should have been the big bad of the series with Season 1 teasing the return of Airbenders outright through another method, something to do with the Lion Turtles (and spirit-bending), and the focus being more on the Airbenders. This would have allowed for the idea of the Spirit World to better come in to play, and could have had the next three seasons explore the Spirits and Spiritbending more sensibly if that was their ultimate goal. At the end of the day it felt to villain of the season instead of this ominous build-up.
Plus it would have been more interesting if not scary or sensible to have an Airbender who has some version of Blood Bending (Cause blood carries oxygen) and the ability to Fly, to show yeah there's a reason Air Nomads did their best to be pacifists.
Bullshit
Some avatars are just naturally gifted in some areas. Aang was able to water and fire bend with barely any instruction. If the Munk’s would have told Aang he was the avatar at a younger age, he probably would have learned more. He was held back by Munk Kiatso who wanted to give him a normal childhood. In LoK, Korra was raised by the White Lotus and trained in combat more intensely than Aang. 17 years is more time than Aang got before he defeated the fire lord. Korra’s aggressive personality helps her combat but hurts her patience which is key in to air bending and unlocking the spiritual side of the avatar. She has to calm down and it takes her until half way through the show to enter the sprit world which is something Aang did multiple times when 12 years old. Because ATLA already went through bending training, LoK decided to focus more on Korra’s character flaws instead which makes her unique.
Korra is the least interesting character in her own show
Tenzin’s Family was great and any of the other characters
Luke Toups I have only watched 2 or 3 episodes recently and I agree with everyone except for Korra and that athlete she hits up with. Like no, these people aren’t being unreasonable or misguided there seems to be class inequality in the city between benders and non-benders and Korra only does more to add to the problem.
@@HelloHamburger
I've seen at least 3 or so seasons and the plot in season 1 doesn't continue in the second 2. Which the show changes the plot each season.
Tenzin's struggle to live up to carrying on the culture of Air nomads and being a child of the Avatar is 10x more compelling than Korra living up to her past life
@@Raymal100
He should of been the main character and Korra could of been taken to him to learn air bending since water and air go hand and hand.
Raymo They could’ve had a completely different journey for Korra. They should have taken into account the fact that she lives in a time of peace, Avatar Aang had practically annihilated all imminent threats and destroyed any possible tension from that.
It would’ve been cool to see an Avatar that unintentionally causes the world to plunge into turmoil and darkness through their own inaction or unwillingness to face up to the legacy of Aang. It could’ve been a fun time, Korra could have been more of go with the flow Avatar, traveling around just like Aang only she’s even more spastic and even more of a wanderer who just as wants to enjoy themselves and avoid the responsibilities of being the Avatar.
Korra herself is a bad person. The lore being retconned so heavily made me not want to ever see the universe again. The supporting cast was strong and would have been great to see in a competent story. Also the animation and voice work were fantastic.
Bruh what ret-cons if you’re talking about the bending that was like the whole deal with the lion turtles and the benders just because they have the power it didn’t mean they knew how to use it which they didn’t
Yes, because all she did was saving the entire bending population of Republic City, saved both the physical world and the spirit world from eternal darkness, brought true balance by reconnecting humans and spirits, sacrificed herself to save the new airbenders and saved an entire continent from Kuvira's iron fist by convincing her to surrender peacefully.
What a terrible person...
@@vetarlittorf1807 lolz. She did all that because of her GOOD friends.
@@cheeseburgersuperior1874 Sure, sure. Just like Aang selfishly neglected the world while his friends did everything for him and never did anything to help unless Katara was there to breastfeed him..
And just so you know, everyone wanted Korra to kill Kuvira but Korra used empathy to end the conflict peacefully even though she didn't really have to.
@@vetarlittorf1807 blah blah blah... Lolz. Yeah. Again, she did that because of her GOOD friends. Lolz. Aang neglected that because he was a naive KID, in close society and a brutal medieval world. Korra is a TEENAGER with a personality of a DUMB KID in a modern, privileged and peaceful world. "Breastfeed?" lolz, sounds like a KORRA simp would say.
SJW's freak out say we hate Korra because she is a bi-woman (revealed at the last episode). Same people they claim hate Korra love Toph who kissed Suki (by accident).
Ah. Yes. Legend of Korra. A series SO BELOVED that even their fucking metwork moved it to streamimg in the last season LMAO.
How was it revealed in the last episode? I thought it was revealed Post series. (thought technicality that makes it a retcon)
@@suroguner Hear me out.
*INHALE*
BY HOLDING HANDS WITH THAT BIATCH.
In the last 30 seconds of the last episode lol. We were just watching with "heteroglasses" the whole time :p
I adore the fuck out of Toph and ship her with Sokka lol
From what I have seen( not including the media) even korra fans can admit it isn't as good as avatar. I have a who just finished watched it, even she aggres it's not as good.
I like both show and I am fan of LoK and I agree but that also because korra take more different approach then atla but i also think Atla is good because it the original and it the reason we got LoK and the graphics novels but LoK had it moments in my opinion i think people just hate on Korra because she not aang and aang and her have different tones and Personality
season 3 and 4 are good
Oh yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed Korra but there's no contest between the two. Not even a slight bit of competition.
As someone who is a fan of both shows, I typically don’t try and compare the two because I think at the end of the day their completely different shows with different goals in their story and writing. ATLA is a classic epic fantasy, an overarching plot of unquestionable good vs complete evil, with some amazing side stories and characters. Looking back really reminds me of some of my favorite Shonen Jump titles in terms of similarity (like naruto).
Korra I think is best looked at as a series of vignettes, where the main topic is that sometimes life isn’t all that black and white, and sometimes dreams can look very different then reality. 2 of the 4 seasons the primary antagonists were people korra knew and trusted/respected, while another theme was korra having to come to terms with being the avatar being more than just kicking-ass and punching bad guys like she thought it would be growing up.
I Loved Last Airbender, only liked Legend because of the Antagonists through the series and like Geeky found Korra boring...!
Everyone loves Avatar Kyoshi and she doesn’t even have a TV show, it just shows how bad korra is
Kyoshi is more feared then Korra and more Love then Aang from true Avatar fans. Now, if people honestly read the novels “The Rise of Kyoshi” and “The Shadows of Kyoshi” Kyoshi is an Avatar not to be play with because if anyone define her. You will meet your end. Definitely not a show to put on a kids network.
Mike Antoine kyoshi is a beast and I love it lol.
Kyoshi is one of the most interesting and fascinating Avatar's to date, would love a series around her life and for them to do subsequent series going back into the long history of Avatars.
@@MikeA8302 new avatar show idea:
AVATAR: Kyoshi
The entire journey would be a souls like journey.
Yung sxma straight facts 💯. Do not defy Avatar Kyoshi. She did things not even the shows brought to existence. I really hate when people talk about female leading roles. If people was really into the Avatar lore. Males and females over thousands of years became Avatar.
E;R had a great breakdown of why Korra was awful AND a mary sue.
A fellow nerd with taste.
And his Wan videos were great too.
@Cartoonist Louis just the title says everything about what some of this toxic fanbase has become
@@nicolasdanan8182 It had a different title but then a bunch of crybabies flagged and got it pulled down so he reuploaded it with that title.
@@MrRivech If I recall right.. Wasn't the title at first something like ''Why Korra sucks'' or something like that?
These "journalists" hear one person claim something they don't like and then claim that's what everyone who doesn't think like them thinks.
Well, that is what everyone in the avatargate hate group thinks!
Korra mastered 3 of the 4 elements at half the age of Aang which was displayed in the first 5 minutes of the first episode, it took Aang 3 seasons to learn all 4 elements, it's VERY reminiscent of Rei from thinking the force is a myth to using Jedi mind tricks later in the same movie, it took Luke 3 movies to get to that point.
Ya noticing a pattern here?
She didn't master them. She was able to USE them. DIFFERENCE. That's like saying Luke had mastered the Force in ESB because he pulls the lightsaber out of the snow and is able to jump out of the carbonite freezing installation.
Then there is also a gap of OVER A DECADE between the prologue and the Series proper, WHICH IS MORE time to train than Aang had.
That is a quite a bit of selective exaggeration isn't it? Korra was by no means a "Master" as a child, and saying Aang took 3 seasons doesn't mean much when you remember that the entire ATLA series takes place over roughly one years time while Korra was trained for several years just to reach the proficiency we see her at during the start of the show.
Aang isn't a Mary Sue. Every season is literally him training to learn an element... He fails all the time
Yet Korra can do three as a baby
Bobby Marr that doesn’t matter, she was talented, yes, but that doesn’t make her a Mary Sue. Guess what, even though she knew three elements she spent an ADDITIONAL 13 years before she was considered mastered in it and she could even learn airbending on the first try. Aang learned them in one summer. So no she wasn’t handed it, an avatar can be talented but people are using the term Mary Sue incorrectly because neither Aang or Korra are one
She also got punished for her brash actions such as getting arrested for stopping criminals which she thought the avatar was supposed to do, which she later learned its about bringing peace and retaining it and she lost a lot of fights and had to work for her victories. She is not a Mary Sue
Her only Mary Sue moment was getting her bending back from the past lives. And yes aang isn’t a Mary Sue either, but if you call Korra one aang is too, and vice versus. Let’s not forget lion turtle GAVE him an out to his problem about killing the fire lord. He was HANDED the answer. That’s a Mary Sue moment and a deus ex machina because spiritual energy wasn’t far tapped. And aang blazed through his avatar state training in 48 hours.
I like both series but neither of them are Mary Sue. Either they both are or they arent
@@terrakage4462
Wrong, entirely wrong! Either both are or both aren't? You cannot even compare the two! The Island Turtle was a SPIRIT, not to mention that Aang had to search for it and earn said knowledge but yeah, total Gary Stu.
I am done taking you seriously. You are a troll at this point. What do you not get that AANG had to LEARN everything and Korra did not!? Also he didn't blaze through his Avatar State training in 48 hours, what the heck are you talking about? You're just spitting up lies at this point. Aang struggled with the Avatar State throughout the entire show. Him being taught how to control and harness it when he had no idea to does not make him a Gary Stu. Korra just having it with no explanation and being able to control it without fail DOES make her a Mary Sue.
Seriously, the fact that you used the turtle as your final defense showed your hand. It's not a Royal Flush, it's a fumble.
Simpleton Apollo omg lmao, NO, the lion turtle was only know previously from ONE picture. During the time Aang was contemplating killing the firelord to end the war and wanted to find a way to do it without killing. Instead of facing his problem and questioning his morality head on, the lion turtle gave him an easy out. And again.
And Korra not learning a thing is a lie, not only has she spent 13 years NOT one summer master only 3 of the elements. She spent her life suffering from consequences of not serving her role as avatar properly and learned from each mistake she made to become one of the most spiritual avatars and one of the wisest. Aang didn’t struggle with learning the avatar state, he blazed through the chakras within a day, we aren’t counting the ones triggered by intense emotions. While Aang opened his chakra in max one day. Korra has to defeat ancient dark deity and save the world from 10,000 years of darkness, after restoring the air nomads. And after wards since she is technically the first avatar of the new cycle she could go into it easier. All the while when she couldn’t she was poisoned into it while the antagonists actively tried to kill her in it while she was poisoned and restrained to end the cycle. Coolest part was with her own strength and no past lives, she broke PLATINUM chain and fought to keep the cycle going and prevailed. And THEN she had to face her kidnapper and torturer to reconnect with ravaa so she could go into the avatar state freely again. So I’m not spitting bullshit, that’s what happened, Aang didn’t struggle learning the avatar state, every time he was faced with a chakra he got through it within 2-5 minutes which supposedly takes weeks to do. He only failed because he a duty to save his friends and couldn’t pick the avatar state over katara. Those other times were all moments when Aang had trouble controlling himself in the avatar state because he was blinded by rage, sadness, or confusion. It wasn’t a problem of getting into it, is was the control part. But guru tried to get him to activate the avatar state when he wants, and he actually did it in the battle with Zuko and azula, but azula sniped him with lightning. So no he was basically handed the avatar state and still got shut down.
Korra was a forced shallow character. She had everything handed to her including having a family, and yet very little in terms of personal ambition to develop on. She seemed to get more hostile with each season, and remained generally unlikeable in personality and activity abusing her power until the last season which by then made it too late to start liking her. I was satisfied seeing her get traumatized, and by the end was just glad it was finally over.
And again, I was not surprised she turned into a lesbian. I called it from the start.
Aang lost everything flung into a world he no longer recognized being the last of his culture. He endured a lot of hardship to gain all the power and wisdom he would need to restore balance to the world again. He earned his support. Would’ve been nice if his story went on just a little longer. That’s a real achievement unlike Korra with a limited and unremarkable cast.
Korra was the villain of that series. After watching the original Avatar: The Last Airbender books/series with my 7 year old nephew, we were looking forward to the sequel series: The Legend of Korra.
Unfortunately, that series was so saturated in hateful, woke trash feminist propaganda that it was unwatchable. My nephew literally turned to me and asked, after we watched the first few episodes: “Is Korra the bad guy?”
That series was an insult to the absolutely brilliant Avatar: The Last Airbender franchise. I would even argue that it has done far more damage than that awful, whitewashed M. Night Shyamaylan film.
Yep I didn't like the legend of Korra at all I'll just stick to aang's story
What a twist!
Korra was the real villain, just like Rey was the real villain of the Disney Wars trash fanfiction.
Funny how this is a trend in woke entertainment.
Fun fact: Kathleen Kennedy produced The Last Airbender film 🤪
What mad him think she was the bad guy?
Korra was a trash brat, and all the bending powers were weak compared to how they were in Avatar.
She only won fights by dumb luck and plot armor.
@@manoftruth0935 Yep, and she earned NOTHING, except the hatred of Avatar fans LOL
From the unique bending styles video on RUclips it could be said urban life changed bending like element practicality and minimal property damage... but I still think the last airbender was better.
The first villain she barely even defeated she just blew them out ofthe wall for some reason even though he took away all of her bending. Which is strange because her airbending shouldn't have even manifested due to the fact that this was all bending. Then the first villain just blows up for no good reasonEminem's brother just decide to commit suicide that's itand it could have been a good show had they executed everything right but this show's soul waslacking like you said nothing was earned nothing was gained nothing was worked hard on to achieve anyting. She was just a bumbling idiot who managed to get everything handed to and the worst part everybody in her own series either hated her or was afraid of her and when you have a character that is just despise by both the show and the people watching it don't be surprised. That you have a very very unlikable character when that was the purpose for them in the beginning and there was no growth or maturity
Her avatar state lacked the fear that Aang had.
If characters don't learn anything or grow or lose anything, then they're a mary sue. God-modding is the random bursts of power. Mary sue's are - just like Korra - boring.
Aang had a personal problem with firebending cause he hurt katara when trying to learn it too early-it wasn't because of difficulty-in fact earthbending was the one he had the hardest time with because his personality didnt mesh well with the concept AND its the opposite to his element in the blueprint of benders Water-Earth-Fire -Air. A waterbender would have a hard time bending fire-earthbender with air-fire with water-and air with earth.
That's another problem with legend of korra-the more you thought about avatar the last airbender-the more you were rewarded-the more you think about legend of Korra-the more plotholes you find-the more you are punished-korra should have either had a hard time with firebending because its opposite of water or due to her free spirited personality-airbending should have come naturally AND waterbending should have been difficult for her not being able to release her fear of lack of control-which would have been very interesting for her character considering she would have been born a waterbender first and foremost which if she were bullied for not being able to waterbend then accidentally firebend-it would show why she holds being the avatar in such high regard with such an ego after being bullied for not being able to waterbend.
Korra's world is incredibly interesting, too bad she bulldozes over everything.
Varrik I feel was the best character in that show.
Zhu Li, do the thing!
@@lynngreen7978 bolin: what thing?
Red Lotus was the most interesting. Too bad they only get a handful of episodes to develop their characters
@@arianafox365 yeah season 3 was pretty good. Shame what happened to all of them. Would have liked to see them fight against kuvira.
To be fair she has gotten the development she needed truly learning her role as avatar, after book 2 she doesn’t bulldoze her way through things. She takes the situation, evaluated it and tries to come to terms with a peaceful resolution even though she has lost herself along the way, she has as brought back with the help of mentors and allies and learned from almost every mistake she made. She truly did grow as an avatar and a person
Aang: A goof with personal issues, moral dilemas and doubed himself about his role as the Avatar, went on a journey to learn all the elements and struggled to master them and finally, he is not the best character of the series but good character on its own without the supporting cast.
Korra: Annoying entitled teenage most of the series, barely struggled as the Avatar until season 4, she was the cause of most of the problems, one of the worst characters of the series (only surpased by Unalaq and Kuvira (and her mech) by how awful those character were made) and every time she was out shined by every single character of the supporting cast, specially Varric... that man, he did the thing.
"she was the cause of most of the problems..." THIS. IS WHY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HER.
Varric was the McGyver of that show, no way she could surpass him and his dynamic with his deadpan snarky assistant Zhu Li
not to mention Korra ripped out Bolin's heart and stomped on it due to her thirsting for his brother despite him taking her out and showing her a damn near perfect night oh but I digress according to feminazi's "She doesn't own him anything..." reverse the roles however and its "He's such a sexist misogynistic creep!" hypocrisy at its finest folks...
I disagree. Korra struggles with her spiritual side of being the Avatar, this is why she's impatient and struggles with air bending. The second she went to the city she gained physical freedom as in she could go wherever she wanted but lost the mental freedom since she couldn't acclimate to the city life. Also she bases her entire identity around being the Avatar and loses it when her bending is taken away. This is all in the FIRST FUCKING SEASON!
@@IceQueen975 season 1: Antagonized Amon like an idiot, thus proving his point and getting him more followers when she should have tried another approach
Season 2: Blindly trusted Unalaq and if she wasn't the protagonist would have died for her lack of vision.
Season 3: As a direct consequence of leaving portals to the spirit world open last season without countermeasures, Zaheer got the power he needed to free his followers
Season 4: Blames Zaheer for Kuvira getting to power when in reality, she and the Earth Kingdom were incompetent in keeping her in check.
Here's the worst retcon in Korra
Iroh:The combination of the four elements is what makes The Avatar so powerful.
Wang:We can only defeat him if we work together Rava.
She started a war, Aang ended one. Enough said.
A lot of people conflate the Mary Sue argument being that it's a character who's perfect in every single way with no flaws. Wall that is one of the main criteria is, that's not technically what a Mary Sue is.
A Mary Sue is a character whom the story and universe will revolve around, ass opposed to them being a character in that story. They're a character who will accomplish all their tasks, will be idolized, get what they want, and overcome their adversities with little to no conflict or effort, to the point the story will even bend to the will of the Mary Sue character to make her look good.
This includes but is not limited to...
Characters acting out of character by either behaving unfairly cruel to them, just to be shown up by them in the end, or immediately praising her and integrating them into their group even though they've done little to nothing to earn such praise & trust. The story breaking its established world building rules and narrative to glorify the Mary Sue character. The Mary Sue character immediately learning, acquiring, or being discovered to have a powerful or unique skill-set or ability with little to no training or effort to master. a previously shown intellectual in calculating antagonist, suddenly making an idiotic mistake, just to better glorify the Mary Sue character so they can defeat him/her. The Mary Sue character always being right, even when they're wrong or acts rude or disrespectful and has no sympathy, and/or the characters who critique her will immediately be proven wrong. Winning the affection of a love interest who they have little to no chemistry with, and vice versa. Etc...
Ironically I'm writing a book/novel where the main villain is a Mary Sue or rather personifying the Mary Sue trope into a demonic entity that possesses people and alters reality to her whims.
Yep, that’s right
Very much on the nose.
lets see then. Definatly does NOT fit korra then outside the first half of season 1. she is arrogant at first, explained as excitement to start doing her job as avatar later, forma meaningful bonds with others(despite that arrogance), gets called out on it alot. specially by her airbending teacher. can beat enemies using her style of bending(in which isnt necessarily good in certain situations that i see, example being she heavily uses fire with earth inbetween. when air or her own native element would work better in some situatuons) she gets terrified when her bending could get taken away and has nightmares, gets her ass handed to her in pro bending until she gets used to it. gets beaten by amon and loses her bending. gains airbending from a back to the wall moment(much like aang with earthbending). finally beats amon by catching him by surprise. gets depressed at being only able to airbend now. and connects with aangs spirit. who gives her bending back.
this is juat the firat season. little goes her way. and the world doesnt bend to her will. she seems just a very talented bender(normal for avatars) with arrogance and recklessness issues which get fixed later. she also later tempers her aggression(albeit when it's actually the right way to go) abd almost wins if not for ptsd hitting her during the fight.
Korra doesn’t fit the criteria of a Mary Sue. Only one thing was handed to her which was her bending. Otherwise she loses many times, is punished for making wrong decision, and suffered long periods of time from it.
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kora had solid control of all elements as a baby. the basics did a scaled down version of ang's final battle with fire lord ozai.
See...I didn't even care enough about it to remember that. LOL
She was never good at airbending, even in S4.
@@iBloodxHunter Never got past S1. I found her unlikable and show boring.
@@kambreapratt8858 unlikable? Absolutely, boring.... Eh I don't get it. The season 1 intrigue was neat, what with the ninja's and the political ramifications of not being magic, being elaborated on.
Technically in the first season Korra had no Air and bad spirit skills. My guess is the writers didn't want to repeat the same story as Aang so they focused on traits opposite to his journey.
Remember when Aang rubbed being the Avatar in people's faces and lost his connection to all the past Avatars?
Ah, dang, wait a minute.
Korra was mentally ill. Here are the traits of Borderline Personality Disorder. She fits most of these:
1 Fear of Abandonment
2 Idealization and devaluation (leading to unstable relationships)
3 Unstable self-image
4 Feeling of emptiness
5 Impulsivity
6 Self-Harm behaviors
7 Unstable mood
8 Anger
9 Paranoia, Jealousy, and dissociation
Yeah but if you don't like... DO anything with that? Like addressing it, discussing it, seeing how it *hurts her* ? It means nothing.
So Korra was a woman? Also water is wet
@@MrRivech are you implying all women have BPD
@@Snehu no no no...well yes
@@MrRivech fair enough, i too have all those shortcomings as a woman, sucks honestly
Ah. Yes. Legend of Korra. A series SO BELOVED that even their fucking metwork moved it to streamimg in the last season LMAO.
In all honesty, I didn't even know there was more than one season until after the show ended, and Korra being a lesbian made headlines.
Yeah the show didn't deserve that, the last 2 books were really great.
I gave up on Korra when they killed off the Avatar. I never watched another minute of the show. In fact I was much more interested in the question "Where is my mother?" than I ever was in any plot point in Korra.
Wait what? They killed off the avatar? As in they ended the whole avatar cycle thing?
If that's the case I am glad I never bothered to watch past the first season...
@@Silamon2 Yes. I don't know what happened after that. I stopped watching because they destroyed the essence of the show.
Silamon she got her Spirit ripped out while getting her ass kicked by avatar satan and the line reset so the next avatar will just have her for a guide (which kinda sucks if I’m being honest) like JEZZ
@@theblackoutexplorer2658 especially since she is not spiritual like Aang was so the next avatar after her will have no spiritual help at all
@@Silamon2 yeah that helps at the end of season 2 and that is one of the reasons season 2 is so hated as well as changing the God damn story half way through the season. And in the second half of season 2 they changed the whole concept if the morality avatar had, they changed it from a blue and orange morality to a black and white one
"A good story can save bad art, but good art can't save a bad story."
- Mr. Enter
@Kunoros Hound of Athreos I respectfully disagree. lol
Korra was an extreme production mess, with Nickelodeon changing how may seasons they wanted season by season.
Everyone forgets this part, but there still needed more revisions to the script
I’ve always said Avatar and Korra could be enjoyed differently. I feel like Korra is a little overhated. Avatar was a smart, epic, globetrotting fantasy adventure, Korra tried to grow up with the original audience and bring Avatar into a more modern context. I really enjoyed Korra for what it tried to do but Avatar was a near perfect series.
I can see every point and understand in a logical level your argument in favor with Korra. Problem is.... I couldn't enjoy it (Im a woman and I like female protegonists, nothing to do with that)
@@KaoruGoyle It's been ages since i watched LoK, but my biggest PET peeve in the set up of the show was: Set too soon after ATLA...
Aang is dead because otherwise there wouldn't be a new Avatar (and tbh, an "Old Aang" or so story could've been interesting in and of itself). Sokka is dead... the ones left are Toph, Katara and Zuko, probably because he was the "cool aloof guy"... 2/5s of the Original Main characters are dead. One for understandable reasons, teh other one... I guess because not a bender? Because he'd have taken time away from the other characters? Why? it feels like "He's a normal guy. he isn't important!"
So that we get the new Avatar to interact with the old characters, they took away the chance of a LONG family life for Aang.
Ok but the hatred for season 2 of Korra is deserved
Did Avatar need to "grow up," though? I kind of hate the argument that LoK is "darker" and more "mature" than The Last Air Bender because that's bullshit. The Last Air Bender starts out with a literal genocide. One of the main characters seriously considers murdering a person. A teenager with PTSD almost wipes out a civilian village because they're aligned with the nation who killed his family. There's tons of "grown up" themes and content in The Last Air Bender. Legend of Korra isn't more mature just because it has a bunch of CW level romantic angst in it.
@@amyrat151 I 100% agree with your statement and you forgot to mention the child abuse in AtLA to name one of other dark themes in AtLA
It's just the beginning and it's not going to stop and it's not going to end well. Just like with every other battle that we've been fighting for the past 5 or 10 years, the big corporations or whiny sjws pretty much always end up doing what they want to do in the end.
I hate this. Honestly the shows shouldn’t be compared at all. LoK is a good show and ATLA is a great show. They each have their strengths and it shouldn’t be a competition.
We are becoming wiser though
Eventually all fans who aren't involved in this will understand why we ignore certain things and they will lose more money than they already are
Almost all well known franchises are dead there's very little they can destroy
We just need to bide our time
I think there's probably a year or 2 left of it
Spencer Cornish The thing is neither LoK or ATLA are SJW infested. It’s three media outlets who are ruining everything for everyone.
She pretty much had a level of mastery for three of the element starting off as a child
That's because the writers wanted it that Way? With aang story he was supposed to learn to master the elements they obviously weren't gonna do the same thing with korra because it would just be the same as aang.
@@Deathlock61 but literally in their writing and their lord every other Avatar had to go the same route as the way that he did that was the points that's what it was showing you have a certain way of learning this you have a certain style a different order things may pop up but if you say three of these elements off rip and now the Story begins then you telling me airbending by itself was enough to you know make it so that it was difficult you needed airbending that much that you was going to lose to someone
@@tyking33 well yeah the other avatars had it go through training but that's because they never got a show of their own it was just for backstory about the avatars really.
@@Deathlock61 yeah but here's the thing all of those of the avatars are more popularthen her you didn't have to show her going through the same trials and tribulations you just have to show that it wasn't something that she was just like we can so naturally gifted at which no other Avatar has been able to really do cuz each other Avatar struggled at least with an element which she did but they kind of struggled a bit to gain each and every one of them not hey fam I can do three off rip and I have his other power like what or the fact that you know you got rid of the Avatar state for certain characters thanks to your actions
Totally not a Mary Sue, we promise you...
I personally liked both, but Avatar was an epic story.
I agree. Both were good
I do think korra did decline in writing after season 1. But I found it still ok.
Got to disagree only The last Airbender is the bestthat's just the way things are and will always be
I agree with you both are good shows
Korra it's not even cannon
Korra was not a Mary Sue, she got the crap beaten outta her all the time, to the point I thought it was abuse pr0n. Korra was most definitely annoying as all hell though and I found her unlikable, unlike Katara (who was fricken badass!)
People are making Mary Sue arguments because there’s valid points to back it up, and the media can’t stand that
Luke died so Leia could “train” Rey, can’t have a man be in a position of power. That would be wrong.
"Calling this character that we say is better then every other character in every is a Mary Sue, then you're a sexist"
You still didn't rebuttal the claim of her being a Mary Sue.
I'm betting they're doing this now since shera is dead, and they need a new terribly written female character to shill for and since Avatar is on Netflix now, it's the best time to simp for Korra.
Well I can explain why she isn't a mary sue better.
One she was forced to train since she was 5-6 years old til she was 16-17 years old. She was able to master 3 bendings but couldnt master air bending which made her doubt herself a lot, and even learning 3 bendings she was still terrified by the main villain. She couldn't open the Avatar state.
I'll give the last episode of season 1. But I think the reason they gave her back her powers was because they already had a journey where the avatar only had air bending.
Seasons 3-4 she couldn't handle her own PTSD for so long, she felt helpless, she wasn't able to do anything at all. But at the end she was able to over come her pain and actually defeat the villain of season 4.
Season 2 was actually bad, I like seeing the first avatar, but everything else was eh.
When you read the avatar comics, or watch (if they did make another avatar) any avatar show, remember don't compare them aang. Theyre not supposed to be Aang, they are their own person.
The gay relationship was thrown in at the last moment in an attempt to keep Korra relevant.
It worked, but how long will it hold up?
It's the whole reason so many shippers now think harassing the creators can get their ship canon.
I refuse to acknowledge Korasami. Bite me. Asami (and Mako) deserve better.
It doesn't, they shoe horned their relationship even in the first comic book. Most of the time it was about them being a Lesbian couple.
shoe horned into literally the last minute. none of the character progression added up to that, for either character
@@thebebop321 Oh, ok
I didn't see all of the Legend of Korra. In fact, a remake with a better story and characterization would help.
I have only watched some parts online, from what I have seen and heard the show had some interesting ideas but they were poorly executed, it also lacked a coherent story and contradicted many of the things that were established in the original series. Instead of doing a remake for the original, which is already loved by most people, they should focus on remaking this series so they can correct its many flaws, though I would personally prefer it if they just ignored this one and created a completely new story to continue the saga, but in order for that to happen the people responsible for the show's many shortcomings would have to admit that it's not as good as the original and that they made mistakes and seeing how these so called "journalists" have reacted I doubt that's gonna happen anytime soon.
This. So much goddamn This. I actually like TLOK for what it was, but it was nowhere NEAR as good as ATLA and it shows. I think they threw around a whole lot of very interesting ideas and plots that sometimes went well together (Earth Kingdom ultranationalism, the effects of the Hundred Years of colonization, Anti-Bender sentiment, tech development, heck, even Anti-God Vaatu), but just weren't put together well.
And you can see that the show was originally meant to run for far less than it did. Because unlike the tight-as-a-turnip plotting on ATLA where there was scarcely an episode or line out of place, you just SEE how they weren't planning the different stories or ideas out at the same time. Ask yourself: what would Amon have thought of the Earth Queen? Or the Lotus? Why was Vaatu the second arc villain, meaning the story had nowhere else to go but down?
And I could go on. A reboot I think is something that would really, really benefit Korra. But I also think it's probably the one thing that will not happen.
@@MiguelFlores-xt8tt "from what I have seen and heard the show had some interesting ideas but they were poorly executed, it also lacked a coherent story and contradicted many of the things that were established in the original"
I think this sums of Korra pretty well, though I don't think they really contradicted the original show much, though I do think they expanded on it in some unwise ways that were too fast (like Vaatu, seriously, where did it come from?). Basically, I think on some level the show was a victim of its own inflated runtime, lack of pre-planning ala ATLA, and fanbase.
@@vandeheyeric As other people have said elsewhere, I think the story would have worked better if it was set further into the future so they could have more creative freedom and weren't so limited by the consequences that unfolded from the original series' finale, though they could still make something that dealt with what happened in-between and how a hundred years of war had radically changed the world.
It's just a little sad that over the years, even though I wasn't a fan of ATLA when it first came out, Nickelodeon's bad decisions, lack of faith in the franchise and the departure of some of the people that were involved in the making of the original have kept it from reaching its full potential, which could be on par with Anime, Marvel, heck if put into the right hands it could even reach Star Wars or LOTR in terms of worldbuilding and storytelling.
I remember seeing some article or tumblr post (back when I actually used it) where the creators were explaining that they constantly had to fight for at least 2 or 3 of the seasons to be picked up. Kinda makes me wonder why really. The same kinda thing happened to Chuck which makes me dubious about the relative quality of both shows.
The moment I ditch the boat of this dumpster fire after she allowed to destroy the Avatar Lineage/Cycle in season 2
And if I continue watched I to see if she was going to die
The cycle still continues
@@dzas_cave oh yeah...
Let's start a new cycle WITH her...
Meanwhile, let's forget about all the the other Avatars and their stories, their efforts to keep the balance, and how the spirit of Aang will never see Katara in the afterlife...
Oh and how Rabas is like "I will always be here and I'm more stronger in the spirit world, you don't need the other Avatars to focus your full power in the Avatar state when was way more powerful with the combination of ALL the previous incarnations...
@@SilverSpectre90 we dont have to forget we know kyoshi, Roku, and Aang's story, and wgats so bad about korra she has had so much development as a character, she was headstong and always wanted to fight, but now takes things slow and uses her words instead of her fist
@@dzas_cave if that was done one the LAST season and not in the freaking comics, Wich unfortunately at also bad written and push more woke sh*t that me and other people are sick and tired of seen in the last 6 yrs
@@SilverSpectre90 other the her and asami being together out of nowhere, what is "woke" about it, ive seen a lot of woke shit, i couldn't find anything
Korra is not a marry sue. She gets her ass kick so many times and learns from her loses. She gets a lot of character development.
The Legend of Korra is the Disney Star Wars/"Sequel Trilogy" of Avatar. Prove me wrong.
The sequel trilogy has no clear vision or story
korra had a story despite it being a mess. Sequel trilogy had no story and was a mess all the way through
ruclips.net/video/s7P9qTdVnMY/видео.html actually this video does pretty well to prove it wrong if you are willi nag to have an open mind and watch
@@terrakage4462 1:48:ss? Not on your life.
ChaoticHoly ok don’t watch, I’m just saying it’s a good watch if you have free time. But I can debunk a lot of misconceptions about LoK. I want people to appreciate the show as a really great show and a good successor.
Original series was amazing, I am not even gonna bother with TLOK
"In order to be a Mary Sue in any meaningful sense of the term, she would need to suddenly experience bursts of power or competence, mastering the elements in some new fashion or innovating a technique nobody had heard of before with little build-up from the plot prior. Yet quite the contrary, most of the series centers itself on Korra struggling."
Actually, the conclusion to season 1 is a complete arse-pull. She acquires airbending out of nowhere, immediately demonstrates the wrong technique, showing that she still hasn't learned, and Amon's entire rebellion is smacked down by a handwave contrivance. Season 2 ends with an arse-pull as she just gets a burst of power without any build-up from the plot prior.
She is still something of a Mary Sue, even though the show makes a big deal out of how much she 'struggles'. She shows incredibly poor character and for some reason, everyone puts up with her. She keeps making the same mistakes over and over again, but the universe bends over backwards to try and bail her out of it.
ATLOK wasn't really that bad, but it would've been infinitely better if it didn't have Korra in it. The supporting cast is overall pretty wonderful, it's just Korra that is an absolute pain in the neck whose character arc doesn't resolve properly. From what I recall, the moment where she threatens Khuvira's husband with separation, all the way at the end of the last season, is the first time Korra actually takes an approach that isn't "I punch it with my fists!", and since her arc should've been about learning to balance brute force with nuance, tactics, and careful considerations of morality, that is WAY too late. (And also way too sudden)
I watched the entire show. It wasn't the Mary Sue-ishness that turned people off. She was an insufferable, angsty, teenage know-it-all for the first two books. She did get better after that, but when you couple that kind of personality with a Mary Sue archetype, it multiplies the unlikable factor by 10.
This is pretty much my argument for why I'm tepid on Korra. It was fine years ago when I was watching it, Like it was entertaining, the focus being on different villains each season instead of one big bad was ok. Now though years later this is the difference between the two: I could still tell someone the story of ATLA. The big battles, the quite moments, I might not get it perfect but I can tell the story in a fitting manner. For Korra this is the best I can do:
she shows up in a city, does some sports, masters Airbending, beats the bad guys, finds out her uncle is evil, does some spirit stuff, beats the bad guys, recruits some new Airbenders, gets poisoned, beats the bad guys, does some underground fights, meets Toph who proceeds to force her on a journey of self rediscovery after explaining how she(Toph) managed to expand her abilities to the point that she can sense every living being on the planet and has effectively become the most powerful person on the planet while reminding the audience of her impish and irreverent nature while also demonstrating the wisdom she has gained through her experiences before fully healing Korra and sending her off to beat the bad guys, Korra and Asami kiss.
That's literally all I got and more than half of it is actually about Toph. So I liked Korra, but it just wasn't as memorable as ATLA.
TL;DR: ATLA had more impact than Korra.
Korra's biggest failing for me was how disconnected all the books were from one another, there was no overarching plot or themes. Then again, that's what happens when you try to milk a show that was supposed to only be one season and make it into four.
She’s somewhat a Mary Sue, Aang had to actually master all the elements except Airbending because he was already an Air Bender. For the sake of the show he had to be because he was the last Airbender. Korra on the other hand as a toddler ran into a room bending three elements at once. No, effort no training. She just had them from the start. Instead of spending several seasons growing and training, she remained stagnant and unlikeable. There wasn’t much left for her character to do so she wasn’t able to grow as a person. The horrible part was since she peaked so early in her power she got tossed around like a rag doll by nearly every person that fought her. She’s not a complete Mary Sue, but the way she was written prevented her character from getting better over time like everyone else on the show. Season 1 was just okay. Season 2 was awful and only got worse. Season 3 was maybe a little better then the first. Season 4 felt tacked on kind of like the whole show.
@Shonksu speaking of lion turtles weren't there supposed to be more so does that mean other elements
@Shonksu .... bruh. Dang they could have the lions at least teach lava bending and such.
Ok firstly Korra didn’t master the elements until 13 years after she discovered she could bend 3. Which in retrospect is abusive because she was in isolation only mainly training to bend 3 elements over the course of her entire life not really having anybody to be around other than family and masters. So no that’s completely wrong, it doesn’t make her a Mary Sue to be talented at a young age, if that does then aang is a Mary Sue for being the youngest master of airbending. So this comment is blatantly false. Aang learned 3 elements in one summer and already master one, Korra learned 3 over the course of 13 YEARS. And still didn’t know airbending.
As for her character arc, she did grow as a character. I don’t see why people ignore the fact her character was made cocky, bratty, attitudinal, and stuck up on purpose in book one so that she can have a character arc. That’s the equivalent of complaining Sokka is sexist at the start and just changed over time. Or being upset Zuko was so obsessed and evil just to end up being good. She isn’t a Mary Sue. The only Marie Sue moment she had was the past lives giving her bending back from Amon. Aang also had one, the lion turtle. He ran into a dilemma about killing the fire lord, and was GIVEN an easy answer and put. It was a deus ex machina. Even if the the lion turtle was established in the the library. Nothing was said, and no lore of it was explained. Aang only mention how cool it looked. Not info on it at all, he asks the turtle what he should do and he was GIVEN energy bending. All because you have something from the start doesn’t mean you are a pro. All because you can kick doesn’t make you a lick boxer does it
Season one was really good. A blood bender as villain who goal was to bring equality between benders and non benders but using terrorism as a means to do it and being a bender himself.
Season to was eh, I’ll give you that, but it does provide more lore to the avatar cycle , and nothing said in the book is retconned. Also Korra saved the world from 10,000 years of darkness even though she lost the connections
Book 3 was amazing, the premise of an anti team avatar with a main villain who has studied the air nomads for his whole life, and knows how to end the avatar cycle and almost succeeds is fucking cool. He blonde what to do and how to do it. He was an advocate for freedom but the way he goes about it is through killing and dismantling governments. And by doing so would only bring chaos.
Book 4 was amazing as well Kuvira because of the events of book 3 was able to rise, having a noble goal of reuniting the earth kingdom but she did it by military force wanting complete. And even when she succeeded she became crazed for power and attempted to continue her imperialization.
All the while throughout Korra is going through heartache, poisoning, torture, ptsd, deaths, feeling helpless, losing the only thing that gave her an identity for a while meaning she believed she failed as an avatar and now no one would ever even acknowledge her anymore because in her isolation she only saw herself as an avatar needing to stop evil, not at all thinking about peace, and she was isolated for 13 years with no friends except naga.
Draconshot lava is a sub bending of earth, no animal could teach lava, that’s like asking metalbenders to learn from animals.
Lava bending is also extremely rare, you have to vibrate the rock you are bending so fast but the molecules that it generates enough heat to become molten. There are only 2 known lava benders in existence in korra
@@terrakage4462 considering they have dragons having a spirit who could teach you isn't that far of a stretch. Now as for you second point while we only know of two its possible there could be more. We only know of three or four blood benders however the show has mentioned there were more than the ones shown.
I had forgotten that she was a Mary Sue until I saw the trailer on Netflix yesterday where she’s like doing all the elements minus air at age 3.
Do they STILL want a Female lead? It failed, Killed the Franchise and everything good is in the Original Avatar.
Just gonna throw this out there, it was far too easy to write KorraXAsami off as a plutonic relationship. The creators had to confirm it after the show ended. That’s now how you make a good relationship in a show.
Also Korea is less of a Mary Sue than Aang. Korea takes so many Ls throughout the series, where as Aang lost like 3 or 4 fights in the whole show.
Korra is set in the 1920s with modern cityscapes and rule of law. IMO bending power is scaled down to fit a modern kickboxing style and be like a gun vs Traditional Martial Arts and cannon fire in medieval war time. Korra starts cocky and quick to anger but she learns humility during the later seasons with my ranking of 3, 4, 1, and 2 being the worst. ATLA and TLoK are not the same show. And TLoK was only supposed to be a oneshot but Nickelodeon then ordered 3 more seasons.
Korra wasnt a mary sue. She has flaws. Which made her a good character, a relatable character.
Korra was just okay..... I just liked the part where they showed the 1st Avatar ever....
Korra was just.... " Dude!! What if! We took Katara and made HER the Avatar! " that's it..... and it didn't work....
Aang's story had a lot more charm and a better Hero's journey.
ummm what? aside from some physical similarities due to both being from the water tribe, Korra and Katara are very different people.
Korra was also rushed and sabotaged by Nickelodeon, creating the very glaring flaws that korra has
Why can’t we criticize anyone who happens to be a girl? For the record I love both but seriously why can we not criticize people who aren’t straight white dudes
Also the first season is amazing just for what they did with Noatak and Tarlokk. Fucking amazing. Also 3:08 absolutely sex
She's nota Mary Sue, just annoying at times. She's still fallible, gets defeated, gets taken advantage of, gets manipulated, and shows fear when at a complete disadvantage. A few times she gets random power ups (like the air-bending and giant spirit mech form), but that was more bad development than making her a Mary Sue
_E;R already covered this ground with his "Legend of Whorra" series, and he covered it well._
_When Aaron Ehasz left the show, almost everything that was loved about The Last Airbender went with him._
Lol, that series is utter trash. Most of it is just whining and willful ignorance. Does it well? What a joke!
Funniest thing is there's this trans RUclipsr who actually, properly trashes Korra.
@@iBloodxHunter So, point-by-point comparisons and critiques are considered "willful ignorance," gotcha. Jokes are kind of the point, off-color and "whiny" as his style of editing and writing might be.
The only alternative you provide is another RUclipsr that you fail to name, only detailing that the person is trans. I'd be willing to give the video(s) a gander if I knew the channel's name.
@@jakefrost7404 yeah, it was years ago. All I can say is they had a video on calling Steven Universe garbage and the writers hacks. Honestly, you might even find it in the related section to E;Rs video. That's where I found E;Rs, in their related.
But yes, worthless and easily debunk able (by simply paying attention instead of whining) point-by-point comparisons are willful ignorance. They're willfully being ignorant for the sake of disliking a thing.
I mean it iiiis a mediocre show but WOW it's just so typical.
Hold up a moment....
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@@iBloodxHunter Ah. Funny enough, I found that video through E;R. They directly compared notes and complimented each other, as I recall. Very good review.
YOU DROPPED IT AFTER ONE SEASON! no wonder you thought it was boring you didn't see the rest of the story and realized how good it was. You didn't see Korra grow into a mature adult, you didn't see the bending fights between all the cool villains and you didn't see all the character development from season two on. AND YOU HAVENT EVEN MET THE BEST CHARACTER KUVIRA.
I stopped watching Korra after the first season and I wasn't exactly interested by the end. She progressed FAR too quickly and kudos for the 'representation' in the last episode, but there was no buildup for it and it was definitely shoehorned in.
Lol, you and I are opposite in that respect.
Her progression was fine with me because they're in THE MODERN ERA! Where old techniques are mass produced and refined. She wasn't an air hermit and had the benefit of being born after Aang prepared the next Avater. The willful ignorance of some of the people is mind boggling.
The representation gets negative kudo's for being shoehorned in with no build up.
Not only is it jarring and annoying but the sudden shift actively ruins like 4 characters.
Literally there was no signs(quite the opposite, really) then they just throw that in the end? Garbage.
The very first sentence of the article is a straw man argument. Unbelievable. No one complained about her being overly competent aka a Mary Sue. Garbage tier website!
Imagine my shock that its CBR. They're sinking so they publish trash like this in desperation
I am sorry; Korra SUCKS! The characters do not have personality and most of them are unlikable. It is NOT the same Last Airbender know and love!
She got looks but no qualities looks good but she has no true struggle only later and forced bi thing in last season episode.
Yep, plus, she's super annoying! lol
A Mary Sue almost always wins every fight. Korra had the opposite problem of losing every fight only to get bailed out by a deus ex machina.
Season 1 was the best because the equalists and how it showed a whole new side of the world. The side cast was better than the main crew change my mind.
I agree season 1 & 3 were the best, season 2 & 4 were TRASH
How did you not hear the Mary Sue criticisms of Korra when she literally has control of every element at 6 years old?
_ The creator of TLAB knew they had 3 seasons so they can plan everything around it:
+ Most of the episode is focused on characters and setting with a few plot focused episodes. All building up to ONE FINAL villain: Ozai. The longer a status-quo lasted the more impact full it is when it's changed
+ Since the characters are kids, their romantic subplot is still platonic enough to be shown on a kid show.
+ Ang started the journey only knows Air Bending and learn the rest on his journey from his FRIENDS. -> Constant progression
=> The build up is very well execute. Except the SUDDEN Energy Bending ass-pull power given by a new character who was only introduced at the last minute, in the last 3 episodes (to avoid having your HERO kill someone in a CHILDREN show). So when the few important events happened to change the status quo, it's very impact full and all it's ideas and concepts are fully explored. All the characters are developed
_ The creator of Korra didn't know how many episode they would have(they were only told to continue to the next season if this one is successful):
+ Most episode is focuses on plot to end the story as quick as possible in this season then had to (even faster) made up new conflicts, stories, characters and villains when the next season is green-lit. And the plots are more complex, the themes are heavier than in TLAB
+ Korra tried to go with the mature romance rout with its almost-adult characters BUT Korra is still a KID show so it can't go all the way(sex, puberty, future planing, gender identities,... are important aspects in grown up relationships especially a LGBT one).
+ Korra mastered most of the abilities needed for each seasons at the beginning of those seasons and only has to learn 1 new thing from her VILLAINS(a very interesting idea). -> So for the rest of that arc the creators kept erasing her abilities so she can re-learn it again(Amon erased her 3 Elements, Unalaq took her Raava, Red Lotus poisoned her,...).-> Progress, stop, regress then progress again felt like padding
=> The story is messy, not as much build up (especially the LGBT romance); most the characters, aspects of he setting & ideas don't get fully explored or utilized to their full potential(the Normal-Bender classism theme is almost forgotten after SS1, most of the intelligent spirits stop appearing after SS2,...). A bigger cast but only some developed(Marco is not one of them even though he's one of the most important characters)
* Korra still has a lot of talents and good ideas behind so it's still okay-good maybe? If they were given a head-up on how much time and resources they actually had, I'm pretty sure the show would have been as good if not better then TLAB. But alas we may never know.
> _ The creator of TLAB knew they had 3 seasons so they can plan everything around it:
Not really true, a lot of things were in flux. For example, at first they thought S1 was going to have 13 episodes so they made the Blue Spirit episode as a potential S1 finale.
@@ThePreciseClimber Yes, there were some problems/changes but 3 seasons were the original plan & the story was made according to that with slight tweaks. Unlike Korra where they had no idea what was gonna happened
The biggest difference for me was that Last Airbender had an epic quest of redemption which linked the entire series. Legend of Korra dealt exclusively with sociopolitical issues which changed from season to season. About the only thing I did like from LoK was the steampunk aesthetic.
I'm tired of people hating on Korra; It's a bandwagon. It is a great show. Better than most. Just not as good as the original, which has the most heavily female cast of any (good) show I can think of.
People who hate on Korra are not sexist, they're just bad critics, or it just isnt their personal taste.
Yeah, i feel like a lot of people seem to be getting tunnel vision with regards to Korra, like they are overreacting to being called sexist in the same way the typical SJW crowd always overreacts to stuff.
I’ve seen a huge amount of people say Korra is a Mary Sue. But honestly she’s not the worst character in the show and she definitely gets better in the later seasons. First season she’s a heavily “meh” character.
The Legend of Korra: Live Adaptation starring Brie Larson.
Directed by M.Night Shyamalan
@@SheshadriK-os2du Again?
Well, at least it's not Uwe Boll.
@@failedgrace2891 Korra will be trained by the 6 earthbenders (in the live action adaptation) who fights against the fire nation
She has been called a mary sue because the show starts with korra as a child kicking in the door and literally being amazing at everything except airbending.
HOWEVER in defense of her knowing the other 3 styles other than airbending from the outset: We already watched an avatar learn how to waterbend, earthbend and firebend, so that would have been redundant and boring so having her know how to do the three things we "already saw" is skipping to the interesting part of her story, and that is genuinely good writing.
Too bad the rest of korras character is blander than wonderbread.
I’ll be honest, I liked both but The Last Airbender is superior.
oh thank goodness you haven't completely lost it
There are bits and pieces of Korra that were interesting but it’s just a mess sadly, I really wanted to enjoy it as much as the last airbender.
Also Aang>Korra because his story was the journey to end the 100 year old war while Korea’s story is being the Avatar. To be honest, the best episode of Korra was the origin story for the first Avatar and how the cycle began, not even the climax for each season gave the same kind of impact.
Oh, they're still talking about it, I thought they where done by now
The media, not clownfish. Should have clarified lol
They are pushing for Korra to get a new series or a live action adaptation.
Underworlddream live action movie. And have M. Night direct it.
The reason Korra is seen as a Mary Sue is because she is born literally knowing how to bend 3 out of 4 elements
I know right
Can we not just sit down and enjoy a cartoon these days? I really miss the days where people didn't analyze every frame of a cartoon or every panel of a comic. This is the reason we can't have any good cartoons and comics these days.
Korra (both the character and the show) actually gets better as the seasons go on. It's worth a full watch, even if it has flaws.
Her being a brat makes sense, as the personality of the current Avatar is the opposite of the previous one. Kuruk was laid back and peaceful, Kyoshi was no-nonsense and warmongering and so on.
I just wish people stopped complaining and comparing the shows and enjoy them for what they are.
I'm on the third season of Korra. The show's mediocre, at best. I don't consider it canon, considering the inconsistencies and clumsy attempts at retcons. It feels like it takes place in a completely different universe, much like how Beast Machines is to Beast Wars.
Aang ain't mary sue. He worked very hard finding elements masters to teach him mastering 3 other elements. Korra already mastering 3 elements right off the bat of her introduction AS A KID.
Sorry for bad English. Not even my third language.
Agreed!!! I refuse to watch the legend of Korra. Thanks PC culture for screwing that up for me. Why are they so hell bent on screwing up my childhood like they did with thunder cats???!!!
It was made before 2016 so it won't bash you over the head. It's real problems are with its story and characters
Video Games too, look what they did to my boy Battletoads...rip...
I think a big part of the problem with Korra comes from her very conception, she was designed specifically to be the exact opposite of Aang in almost every way. instead of letting her be her own character, she was created to be a mere response to a beloved character.
I never liked Korra's cartoon. Avatar, however, I loved.
I have heard the Mary Sue thing before, actually. Referencing how she tries to do things, gets told not to, does them anyway, has things go well for her and the person telling her not to just admits to being wrong, giving her no repercussions for having ignored orders. Never watched, just heard someone else say this.
I'd say thats about 85 percent accurate. It happens a lot but not all the time.
From what I hear they try to fix the Mary Sue part with season 3 and 4.
@@Underworlddream Admittedly I only got through episode 3 of season 2
The Legend of Korra is so woke they made her lesbian
Do you understand what a bisexual person is?
I like Aang better than Korra. Korra is boring and annoying. It has nothing to do with her being female. I like all the other female characters on Korra.
Korra is a joke follow up to what was a great cartoon series.
Some franchises don't need sequels, especially if the story was complete and satisfying.
Just make something new.
I actually liked the fact that Korra was a bit brash. She was completely different from AANG, and that's cool! I don't think she was the better avatar, just different. Her show definitely had a darker tone, but that's actually what I enjoyed about it. So many good characters in her story. Amon, Zaheer, Kuvira, Varrick, ect... It wasn't too bad to me.
Legend of Korra was actually pretty good. Its no Last Airbender but you its not trying to be last air bender its it own thing.
Someone said it best. Aang was a human learning to be the Avatar, Korra was the Avatar learning to be human.