Video Link; ruclips.net/video/S26pyNBCWyY/видео.html Thanks for the Shoutout Des. Sorry that this is still happening. Fuck these Server Issues and Fuck the Network Manipulation
Thought on this issue. What if someone were to try and attempt to log in to your account while you're already logged in? Would it create a disconnect if they are seeing you signed in at two different locations? Just a thought on the issue that could be looked into, since most logins are done via e-mails connected to Wizards' accounts. They may be able to do it without even knowing the password, just enough to disrupt your service on a second computer.
I've had QuitQrying as an opponent in on ranked, they had a decent field and had said good game... We were both at low life totals and I had dropped a pride mate last turn and I had a Linden on the field. I swung all out which made it so my pride mate would hit for death but blocking the pride mate and not blocking another creature would be death as well. Their timer popped up and then I got a network error message and then it popped up stating it was a draw. So I think there is a way to force a network error to prevent a loss and to force a victory.
I experienced the same game conclusion "draw" when playing ranked some player whose name I don't remember. He was getting a beating with my mono green proliferate and as he went down to 2 hp I passed the turn to his 5th or 6th and his timer started... nothing happened for minutes. All of a sudden the network error message popped up and when I dismissed it the game concluded into a draw. I did get that feeling of something fishy going on but I kept playing and didn't think more of it until I just saw this video.
Something like this happened a few days ago. The game was going my way then suddenly hung for ten minutes until I got fed up and exited. My first instinct was some kind of cheating because the timing of the game glitching out like that was just too useful for my opponent. A while later I wrote it off as a glitch and figured I assumed cheating out of frustration. Seems my initial reaction could be on to something.
This happens to me all the time, it ends up counting as a win/loss as normal but it's kind of annoying to see draw at the end of a game you clearly won
I saw a tweet towards wizard where a guy had a similar thing happen to him during the 12 win event and he said he didn't want to concede or anything because it was for prizes etc. Opponents timer just didn't run down.
Not an exploit folks. This is the effect of a TCP stack overflow in Arena. It's caused by bad programming, possibly inept and incompetent programming, but it's not an exploit. It happened shortly after the Drawn from Dreams was cast and the player was effectively disconnected from that point onwards until they closed the client (resulting in the OS clearing the MTGA junk from the TCP stack). This is different from pulling out the network cable or disconnecting the modem, which would result in a "destination unreachable" ICMP response. In this case, messages simply stop getting sent out, thus why the client responds differently. It's one of many many bugs in the game, but it's not caused by anything the opponent intentionally did.
I’ve had the same happen to me. I’ve also had multiple games where: 1. I draw a game ending card, and as soon as I spend the mana to play it, I get a network error. 2. I draw a full play set of random cards, and choosing to mulligan results in drawing 3 of the same card instead of 4, AND less lands. 3. I draw the final combo piece that would totally change the direction of the game, and my opponent immediately quits the game-and there would be no indication they would lose (they still have 15-20 life, part of their combo in play already, etc.).
See my other comment, if you can find it, but sometimes I play on a slow laptop and if I click resign (sometimes I have to try to resign multiple times) it takes a second or two to take effect. Since the game is autopassing through the phases, the resignation doesn't actually take effect till they draw their card. I'm not saying that this type of cheating is impossible, but I'm 100% certain that my explanation can happen, because it happens to me on a semi-regular basis when playing on my laptop. If they have been playing slow the whole game, this would be my guess as to the explanation.
this has to be real, I've fought many people and then "lost connection" and have thought it just a glitch, but it was almost the exact same set up and gameplay. Don't remember the persons Display name, but this has happend to me 3 or 4 times now
this happens to me at least once every time i play. with how frequent i get this to happen it's unlikely to be a hack and more of a huge bug. simply because that'd mean a lot more people know about this hack and are actively using it. all at the same time targeting specifically me. but then again i mean it is possible. so like maybe i'm wrong?
This network error happens to me all the time when I’m winning during ranked draft, and I loose after because it comes back a turn later and I’m toast. Usually only happens when I make it to gold or above, magically never happens in silver
Happened the same to me yesterday in draft. Got the opponent down to 3 life after controlling the board, then he stayed afk for a while and I got hit with the exact same message and symptom. When I came back there was a loss for me.
4:46 To answer your question, since you had no possible responses during the turn Drawn from Dreams was cast, all priorities were passed. The turn ended and began your next turn. At this point your time out was used and your turn was passed. Simply put, though it looks like it's going from your opponent's turn 5 to your opponent's turn 6 it's actually going from your turn 5 to your opponent's turn 6.
Indeed, happens so often in ranked. Just yesterday. I drew a card, opponent then conceded and I was hit with that error, ending the whole match in a draw. Wtf. The card I drew btw was a Questing Beast which could have swung for lethal because Mr. Control Asshat was tapped out.
i call it a delayed concession. i dont know what happense but the solution is easy. often times if the opponent concedes on draw just click the screen as fast as possible so they dont have time to disconnect their internet. or just disconnect yourself immediately so that they get the messageand once you reconnect youll be on the victory screen. this normally works.
This is exactly the video I've been looking for. I knew I wasn't wrong as I'm leveling up im experiencing more of these so called network interruptions. Im on mobile so it doesn't pop up a message for me, it literally just freezes. So sad how these people have to cheat to win.
I once played a game of brawl against a guy who had his commander elspeth resplendent. He cast her, then immediately used her ultimate ability to make angels, recast he for five mana again the next turn and downticked her again to make angels
I have had this happen to me twice now, but when I come back into the game, i'm at the main menu, haven't been back into the game. Thanks for this, now I know what is going on.
Amazes me how you can be beating someone, they go "afk" for a bit then they come back with a perfect card to give them the advantage. Happens more times than not.
This one time I was playing, we were getting started then on turn 4 the guy I was playing had 9 creatures already. No tokens no card draw no land gain. All creatures power/toughness above 3
Defiantly happened to me more than once too. I didnt think much of it until you made this video. I just assumed it was a minor glitch. So thanks for this video, now I know I'm not alone.
look again, he had 1 extra land, which i can assume he played after it was passed to his turn due to timeout fuckery. dodgy arena code? maybe? probably yes? cheating? no, just salty from a bum hand and mana screw
Recording player had an extra card in hand after the reconnect, the game had passed back to recording player turn, and then passed back to opponent who played a another land.
@@lalilulelolilo I think the point trying to be made is that this isn't a random occurence. It seems to be somewhat patterned with the fact that when it does that it bugs the game out into making it look like you DC'ed. When in reality it didn't and its still going meaning that your opponet gains an advantge until the player comes back. Of course the solution is to immeditally reboot the game when you see that happen and hope that not many turns passed. Yet if its true that they can force your game into doing that, then thats a very scummy pratice to even use period.
I had this "crash and cheat" tactic happen to me a few times a year ago, then it stopped for a long time, then it started again recently. Between turns 1 and 3, the client will mysteriously crash during the opponent's turn. I quickly log back in and see the opponent has played additional lands and spells. My turn is skipped and/or cards are discarded due to hand size. I usually catch the crash quickly and return to the game, so there should be plenty of time for me to get in before the timer depletes. I also noticed that when I get back in the game, all emotes are bugged and disabled. It's weird. If it's not a hack, then it's the oddest, most random thing I've experienced in a game...
I have a possible explanation for, what looks to be, people resigning as they see the card you drew. I'm one of those players who, even if I know I'm going to lose, I still like to play out my turn. Happens a lot with daily bonuses. Like, if my daily bonus is to attack with X number of creatures, I'm still going to do that even if I know I have no chance of winning. So I play out my turn and as soon as I click my last action I try to resign. I play on a laptop sometimes and it isn't the fastest. Sometimes it takes a second or two to take effect, or I have to try to resign multiple times because my computer is slow. Because the game is auto-passing through the phases, If their are no holds placed on phases or neither players has an instant to play, sometimes the resign (that I pressed a couple seconds ago) actually takes effect, you guessed it, right after they draw their card. This only happens on my laptop. My desktop is decently speedy and I've never had to happen while playing on that. Now if you are keeping track of it, and it always happens with the same players, and it only happens when you draw good cards, then maybe it actually is cheating. But if you are keeping good track of it, and the resignation comes after your draw step (but doesn't seem to have a strong correlation with the strength of the card you drew) then it might just be that the player has a slow computer.
I also had this happen to me 5 times in the past month. I won the game or was about to deal the death blow, then all of a sudden before it registered my win, the screen froze. I had to exit out of the game and log back in to get the game working again. I thought it was a server network problem. But after seeing what you guys are writing, I guess I am a victim to the cheaters.
Hey, this has happened to me a couple of times on the EU servers on ranked. What happened to me is when I was about to win the game (declaring attackers), I get the network error message and behind the prompt the game ends suddenly and it says "Draw". (Which I think is not even possible in ranked?) And a few times the game has conceded or ended the game on my behalf... Just before declaring attackers for the kill, same error message and behind the message opponent wins the game all of a sudden while I'm over 16life.
I've noticed the same, I've also ran into people who's timers should have ran out or activated, but they're just sitting there, and I see their whole deck flashing as if they're scrolling through cards they want or something. Idk they need to look into this, but they probably won't. I've NEVER lost this much back when I would play magic on my old xbox 360.
I've had several occasions against several players I played against several times in ranked, and when I had lethal, suddenly a "network error" appeared, and Arena automatically restarted, and when I got back into the match, the opponents got an answer somehow every time, and the game was prolongued, but I still managed to win. That was pre-rotation btw. But there was two times that I have played against a guy, and when I got lethal on board, the "network error" message apeared, I reloaded Arena, and both times, against the same guy, the game just got completely restarted and I lost due to realy bad draws while he drew perfectly both games. Also, there was a time when in middle of a game an "An update for Arena is avaivable, please restart Arena" message popped out, causing me to restart Arena (since I had no other option), only so that it turns out that there is no update for Arena.
The way that the game boots you for inactivity works like this: If you run out three timers, without gaining an additional timer, and you have no timers remaining it boots you. This can happen all in one turn, if you have 2 or more extra timers; Or over the course of a couple turns, if you have 1 or 0 timers built up. Obviously, if you have no timers and run out the clock it passes the turn, if the boot conditions are not met.
I've witnessed multiple people take extra turns in that same way. As soon as I find out how, I'll be doing it as well because obviously Wizards doesn't care about the security or fairness of the format. I wonder if a class action might be possible...
Mtg arena is still littering with such trash players. I lost a game yesterday just cause my opponent had every single counter card against my upcoming card In the next draw/deck. Eventually he didn't attack that much kept destroying cards and shyte, and lets me lose the game cause I ran out of all the cards. Literally all cards were in graveyard except them lands and he was on sitting life counter of 6 against my 12 life. Such BS
Once got in a game during which all my moves were obviously predicted and manipulated by my opponent, when i had the play and the upper hand, i couldn't cast any spells and it auto-used my time-out until i passed turn. This exact process repeated a few times, only when i was about to 2 for 1 him or take back an advantage. Sickening
You auto concede when you have had no timeouts and time out for two turns. I have seen players many times since launch just idle out and it always goes two full turns.
I ran into the same thing on regular play a few days ago. Network error. Then his timer ran out and nothing happened. Restarted the game and apparently i "skipped" my turn. Didn't think of anything suspicious till now. Damn that would tough on WotC if Arena isn't cheat proof since they want it as a competetive E-sport.
If you have connection issues try these steps: 1. Close MTG Arena-Client 2. Open Cmd.exe as admin 3. Type ipconfig /flushdns and press Enter 4. Type ipconfig /registerdns and press Enter 5. Type ipconfig /release and press Enter 6. Type ipconfig /renew and press Enter 7. Type netsh winsock reset and press Enter 8. Restart PC and open MTG Arena Client - This is called DNS Flush (translated from german wizards support)
I have a really slow computer, and sometimes, when it's obvious I'm going to lose, I'll play out my daily quest requirements, then concede, but by the time my concede actually registers, it's already the opponents turn, and they just drew.
I'm a little late for the party, but I've had this exact same network error action happen 2 times to me. Once was after a hard fought match when I was about to win, another time a few turns in where not much had happened. I don't have the players names, and I thought it was just something buggy happening with the game. Thanks for the video!
I don't think this is a cheat, it happen to me regularly once a week or so SINCE THE CLOSED BETA (I was in the closed beta) Probably a bug although I don't know what it is or what is couzing it
I’ve noticed while playing several games, the game will progress at a relatively normal pace, when my opponent is in serious jeopardy the pace will just stop, not a big deal they could just be thinking, while waiting for their play I’ll notice their hand blink a few times and out of nowhere they will have the answer. I don’t see myself as a poor sport, I give a “good game” every time, even when I lose, but I’ve noticed it quite a bit recently. I really like MTGA and will continue to play win/lose, even against cheaters. I would like to know if this is something others have seen as well.
This happened to me too, today. Never before. PC was online and I was assuming his timer runs out when in reality I was however disconnected and my timer was actually running ^^
not getting the connection lost/reconnect screen happens when there is a problem on the opponents side or you have a massive lag spike. i have a bad computer so this has happened to me quite a few time so i know a bit about it. ive had it happen to me, also when you have one 'timeout' left, you actually have three. you have the free 'timeout', you have the warning 'timeout' which happened when your out of hourglasses, then you have the kick 'timeout' which is orange. the normal and warning 'timeouts' pass phases but the kick one forces you to concede. so otherwise he played a completely fair game, you just don't experience this problem often enough to know whats going on. when half the time you try and play your computer semi freezes on you (animations and everything still happens but you dont change phases if you hover over a card it outlines it but it doesnt 'enlarge' it and you cant click on anything) you figure out these things pretty fast. maybe try playing with a friend and having them disconnect and then see what happens, it should play out as youve described. so yes he COULD have done it on purpose, i just dont see the benifit other than confusing players with good internet and computers who dont often run into this problem.
I have already been cheated. I just found this online game and thought it would be fun since the cheating in face to face games made it so not fun. However I was just cheated. The guy had a red card that cost 10 plus 2 red to cast. It cost x less to cast where x is the number of creatures under your control. He had 2 creatures and only 8 lands. How did he possibly cast the card? That was the second time I was cheated the first time I thought it was just a glitch.
I've had this exact same error followed a suspiciously progressed game state (multiple turns later) after immediately reconnecting, when, as you stated i should have timed out and forfeited. I have only had this situation happen three times but in all cases that exact progression of events occurred making me rather suspicious.
When I concede I always wait for the opponent draw. Not because I can see hands but just to let the opponent know what his next draw was. Just a costume from fisical magic cards playing. When you scoop, both players see the next draws just for curiosity. A good feature would be reveal hand after concede...
This happens to me constantly but I admit my connection isn't the best because my router is downstairs but I still show a strong connection but not full. But out of nowhere I get these exact prompts conveniently when I'm winning.
I play from China, that means the connection to the server is very unstable, this is normal for me, whenever I see this I just restart the game, I don't think he is actually doing something weird, you just had connection problems. The fact that you did a network test just means that the connection problem was resolved, something that is wrong with the game is that when it gives that error even if the connection is re-established the game doesn't progress normally. The reconnect option does not always appear.
Hey Des, have you looked at the output logs from that particular game to see if there's anything fishy in the error output?? Just curious because I checked the logs from some of my recent "suspicious" games, and I noticed there were a lot of weird errors like something was interfering with the certain server references (like error returning card image during my draw step). Maybe something to look at.
Similar thing happened to me. He could have ended me multiple turns prior but let me live. I get the strength to take him to negative 4 does not block any of the attacks and the game continues. He is then able to heal back into the positive and despite having multiple creatures he only attacks with one which I block. I then attack him with everything that I had which again he does not block the game still continues with him at negative 15. Next turn he attacks me with a few creatures and takes me down to 0 which results in me losing.
I don't remember the exact cards, but, I remember an instance a couple months ago when my opponent could of gone for the win but then didn't and waited a few turns perfectly playing around the exact cards in my hand that would have stopped them. It was blatantly obvious that they knew exactly what was in my hand cause it was like 5 cards. It was something like they had two creatures could swing with one for lethal (other summoning sick) but I had life gain in hand and had haste creature plus removal spell for blocker in hand to kill them so if they attacked I actually had lethal, so they left both creatures back.
It does seem like some type of packet hack. Sending a bad packet to your client to make it have a temporary bug that makes it assume it has an error but it doesnt, causing some type of error in the code not allowing you to follow up with the reconnect prompt. It would also make sense for data miners to know every id of each card in the game and packet sniff to cheat and know their opponents hand if the data cannot be encrypted.
the patch caused that when i get disconnected it says network error without showing reconnect and when i load back in it stays on the loading screen while still hearing timers and cards played i hate this
I shit you not, the exact same thing has happened to me, although I'm not sure if it was the same player. I was playing Phoenix Dredge and the very turn I milled my two last phoenixes, I was disconected from the game. When I logged in again, I was disconected once more. After getting back on the game once again, my opponent roped me and conceded. I will, from now on, keep track of this kind of issue. Thanks for the heads up.
You disconnected. He used his card and cast manipulation and you used a timeout and then came back to the game. He never stalled after playing the card, your client just disconnected, right after he played dreams. The bug is it didn't boot you after disconnecting.
I also played against this user. I didn't experience the network connection issue you noticed, however I did have the odd circumstance of not drawing any additional lands after the 2 in my starting hand for the first 8 turns.
I dont think theres any cheating here. For the connection issues causing a loss, if you notice the connection message briefly flash on the screen or sudden, unusual lack of action quickly alt-f4 and relaunch the game. It forces you to reconnect to the game before you lose via weird timeout
I feel like the 'nonsensical concede after you draw the perfect card' thing happens far too often to be natural. I was running loads of wishboard decks in best of one ranked, pre-rotation, and during the grind to mythic in Bo1 it was especially noticeable. Mastermind's acquisition was the card that prompted it the most, with sudden concede after I draw it but before I even go to play it, while I'm in a losing board state otherwise. That email Wizards sent out with Eldraine release claims I have nearly 5,000 matches played, so this could be a matter of long-time players simple remembering oddities over time, since it certainly isn't an 'every game' thing, but it has seemed more common in recent months. And of course, most cheaters would be smart enough to wait for your bomb to resolve before they concede, if they wanted to act natural. That does make me wonder if, in my noticing it way more when I hopped on Bo1, if those aren't just the more impatient cheaters trying to churn out their rank as fast as possible.
Omg so I wish I filmed this play session, but I have a bunch of Planeswalkers out, one being Vraska from Guilds. I target her with my Kaya's Ghostform, the game crashes, I relog and literally cannot find Vraska at allll. Not in exile, grave, hand, or field. Same with Kaya's Ghostform. Gone.
I had an instance earlier in the week where I roped the guy 3 times waiting for him to do things, and then all of a sudden he comes back, starts playing and literally has an answer for -everything- I play. All removal, all answers. It was literally the dumbest thing ever.
Dumb theory, but I wonder if they send some kind of packet that causes a drop, then they send out something that reconnects but slip a separate IP they control as their opponent, maybe via spoofed IP. Which would explain how they know your hand and how you went from turn 3 to turn 6 or 7 in under a minute.
Is there a list somewhere for people to log on to and list the names of their opponents. When a player's name appears a couple of times, natural disconnect, technical problems. When their name keeps appearing, cheaty issue.
Hey Dez sorry so long but I wanted to be as descriptive as I could. Happened to me several times. I also have had cards enter and not trigger when no hushbringer or anything that would have prevented an effect from happening. Then yesterday I had someone play a knight of Autumn and it blew up my artifact, came down with 2 +1/+1 counters, and they gained 4 life. They had no other nonland permanents in play at the time and I had nothing that would allow them to choose more than one mode nor do I think there is a card that would allow you to get that effect. I do not record gameplay but I wish I did. I was winning 20 to 4 at the time with a mask of immolation and a chandra in play. Attack with the tokens and sac them to the mask = 4 points of damage. They play Knight of Autumn and I let it resolve. They get all 3 modes. Blow up the mask gain the life and put the counters on. My GF was right next to me, she had next game, she saw the whole thing. I dont know if it was a glitch but if it was it was a very timely glitch. I am platnum 1 so not even at the top. I have no idea how something like that could even be possible without some sort of code written in by cheaters and for cheaters. That card is such a toolbox that it would have helped them without having to cheat with it. Just blowing up the mask would have helped them. I cant stand the idea of a bunch of cheating a**holes writing backdoor "I cant lose because my pride wont let me" codes into Arena. And then either secretly using them or more likely secretly selling them to their scummy a**hole friends. Makes me sick. Again sorry so long.
This happens to me really often... I was suspicious about my internet but I noticed that my connection was ok, and it happens more frequently as I go up in ranking x) No problem under high plat/diamond but in high diamond/mythic I have a lot of "crashes"... First we got Oko then we have suspicious server glitches, I don't want to play this game anymore x)
5-10-2023 username 96tk seems to have done this to me. Their timer has run out for literally 10 mins, enough time i am staring a a frozen screen while browsing youtube. Think i will just go to bed and let them keep the game hanged for a few days, just got to set my PC to not sleep
I really really believe this is happening in many ways. I know that RNG (Random Number Generators) are not perfect. But I have gone against so many players, time and time again that have Perfect opening hands, and then pulls that mirror a perfect counter to my entire deck. Once or twice, I would not find too odd, just bad luck. But when its the same decks and its the same pulls again and again and the accounts are all "Name+Series of Numbers" and or names specifically being crude and rude ... It does make you feel the game is way to hackable.
I would try dropping your connection while you are searching your deck in a joined match with a known player. See if your end has the reconnect option and theirs does not.
I know this is an old video, but in the alst couple of days going through platnium, I've had the game crash right before I'm about to win, when I reconnect useually at least one turn has passed, it's suspicious and annoying.
This happened to me during a draft game, was winning a match and the same thing happened with the pop up then his time out went out on my screen. However after about 2-3 min I just got kicked out of the match saying lost connection even though my connection was fine for everything else. Then I instantly got back into the game only for it saying I was defeated. Hella weird.
I THOUGHT I wanted thief of sanity banned for a long time, then Agent came out and I was like, nope... This thing. Agent of treachery is broken as shit. And I get that they thought a high casting cost would save it, but no, not in the same standard as blood for bones and bond of revival
Poeple who are salty and are gonna quit will make you watch their turn and quit as you draw your card to rob the fun uou potentially would have had. Personally more than cheating I think its a culture of sore losers and easily butt hurt people who can't take a L.
My internet is absolutly shitty, so i can say with reasonable confidence that that whole event was confusing as fuck. Why on earth would the turn end? You normally just lose outright when the timer ends.
This has always happened to me since the beta launch and still to this day. About 1 in every 4-5 games there are suspicious “disconnects” (also to note it’s never when I’m in a losing position, only when dominating or about to strike for the win) where I’m still connected to the net but cannot take any action If it truly is just buggy servers and a ghetto client it would be helpful if there was a notification that let you know that the game has been disconnected, regardless of your actual network status. The hardest part about troubleshooting is that you don’t want to quit when you’re winning firstly and secondly people take ridiculous 5 minute turns even when there aren’t any connectivity problems lol so hard to tell when you disconnect
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Thanks for the Shoutout Des. Sorry that this is still happening. Fuck these Server Issues and Fuck the Network Manipulation
Thought on this issue. What if someone were to try and attempt to log in to your account while you're already logged in? Would it create a disconnect if they are seeing you signed in at two different locations? Just a thought on the issue that could be looked into, since most logins are done via e-mails connected to Wizards' accounts. They may be able to do it without even knowing the password, just enough to disrupt your service on a second computer.
funny how the higher I progress in ranked, the more my internet seems to "randomly" cut out when I'm taking over the game....
Every time in any ranked.
One time I had a game where I timed out EXACTLY long enough to end my turn and let rope end… I was so suspicious and confused.
How high do rankings go? I'm platinum in limited and diamond in constructed and haven't run into suspicious behavior. Is there a tier after diamond?
Lazav isn't a default avatar, i wish
I've had QuitQrying as an opponent in on ranked, they had a decent field and had said good game... We were both at low life totals and I had dropped a pride mate last turn and I had a Linden on the field. I swung all out which made it so my pride mate would hit for death but blocking the pride mate and not blocking another creature would be death as well. Their timer popped up and then I got a network error message and then it popped up stating it was a draw. So I think there is a way to force a network error to prevent a loss and to force a victory.
So what you're saying is you're him
I wouldent doubt it haha
@@DesolatorMagic he said he played him, and just before he won the other guy timed out.
I experienced the same game conclusion "draw" when playing ranked some player whose name I don't remember. He was getting a beating with my mono green proliferate and as he went down to 2 hp I passed the turn to his 5th or 6th and his timer started... nothing happened for minutes. All of a sudden the network error message popped up and when I dismissed it the game concluded into a draw. I did get that feeling of something fishy going on but I kept playing and didn't think more of it until I just saw this video.
Something like this happened a few days ago. The game was going my way then suddenly hung for ten minutes until I got fed up and exited. My first instinct was some kind of cheating because the timing of the game glitching out like that was just too useful for my opponent. A while later I wrote it off as a glitch and figured I assumed cheating out of frustration. Seems my initial reaction could be on to something.
4 DIFFERENT GAMES WITH THE SAME EXACT SYMPTOMS AND I GOT THE “L”. Thx for putting this out there brother!!!!
I had a “trouble connecting to server” message as I won the match, the dudes head exploded then it stated the match was a DRAW!
This happens to me all the time, it ends up counting as a win/loss as normal but it's kind of annoying to see draw at the end of a game you clearly won
Omg yeah I’ve had that too! I’m about to win and then it just disconnects me and then says it was a draw..?
Just happened again in ranked draft. I grinded out this 20 min match. I won but server error and got a draw. The “draw” counted as a loss.
And he saw your head exploding. Both were unable to connect. The client just does represent it that way
Happened to me so many times, i even reported this to wizzards. And answer was: we are sorry you have bad connection.....
I saw a tweet towards wizard where a guy had a similar thing happen to him during the 12 win event and he said he didn't want to concede or anything because it was for prizes etc. Opponents timer just didn't run down.
Not an exploit folks. This is the effect of a TCP stack overflow in Arena. It's caused by bad programming, possibly inept and incompetent programming, but it's not an exploit. It happened shortly after the Drawn from Dreams was cast and the player was effectively disconnected from that point onwards until they closed the client (resulting in the OS clearing the MTGA junk from the TCP stack). This is different from pulling out the network cable or disconnecting the modem, which would result in a "destination unreachable" ICMP response. In this case, messages simply stop getting sent out, thus why the client responds differently. It's one of many many bugs in the game, but it's not caused by anything the opponent intentionally did.
I’ve had the same happen to me. I’ve also had multiple games where:
1. I draw a game ending card, and as soon as I spend the mana to play it, I get a network error.
2. I draw a full play set of random cards, and choosing to mulligan results in drawing 3 of the same card instead of 4, AND less lands.
3. I draw the final combo piece that would totally change the direction of the game, and my opponent immediately quits the game-and there would be no indication they would lose (they still have 15-20 life, part of their combo in play already, etc.).
I had wondered about the fact that many times people quit in my draw step, once I (or we) see the card.
Tiago Brum Or they have a crappy hand and it takes a while for conceding to finish.
See my other comment, if you can find it, but sometimes I play on a slow laptop and if I click resign (sometimes I have to try to resign multiple times) it takes a second or two to take effect. Since the game is autopassing through the phases, the resignation doesn't actually take effect till they draw their card. I'm not saying that this type of cheating is impossible, but I'm 100% certain that my explanation can happen, because it happens to me on a semi-regular basis when playing on my laptop. If they have been playing slow the whole game, this would be my guess as to the explanation.
He....cheated to win a meaningless unranked game? Lol
this has to be real, I've fought many people and then "lost connection" and have thought it just a glitch, but it was almost the exact same set up and gameplay. Don't remember the persons Display name, but this has happend to me 3 or 4 times now
It happened to me on the "win every card challenge"
Twice
Same for me here
same
same 1/3 matches won other two Server Connection Error popped up
this happens to me at least once every time i play. with how frequent i get this to happen it's unlikely to be a hack and more of a huge bug. simply because that'd mean a lot more people know about this hack and are actively using it. all at the same time targeting specifically me. but then again i mean it is possible.
so like maybe i'm wrong?
This network error happens to me all the time when I’m winning during ranked draft, and I loose after because it comes back a turn later and I’m toast. Usually only happens when I make it to gold or above, magically never happens in silver
Happened the same to me yesterday in draft. Got the opponent down to 3 life after controlling the board, then he stayed afk for a while and I got hit with the exact same message and symptom. When I came back there was a loss for me.
4:46 To answer your question, since you had no possible responses during the turn Drawn from Dreams was cast, all priorities were passed. The turn ended and began your next turn. At this point your time out was used and your turn was passed. Simply put, though it looks like it's going from your opponent's turn 5 to your opponent's turn 6 it's actually going from your turn 5 to your opponent's turn 6.
Very informative but i did watch at 1.5 speed
Something similar happened to me but somehow the oponent conceded and the game ended up in a draw
Indeed, happens so often in ranked.
Just yesterday. I drew a card, opponent then conceded and I was hit with that error, ending the whole match in a draw.
Wtf.
The card I drew btw was a Questing Beast which could have swung for lethal because Mr. Control Asshat was tapped out.
i call it a delayed concession. i dont know what happense but the solution is easy. often times if the opponent concedes on draw just click the screen as fast as possible so they dont have time to disconnect their internet. or just disconnect yourself immediately so that they get the messageand once you reconnect youll be on the victory screen. this normally works.
I've had this more times than my sheety wifi has disconnected me in ranked for 40 mins
This same thing has happened to me twice.
This is exactly the video I've been looking for. I knew I wasn't wrong as I'm leveling up im experiencing more of these so called network interruptions. Im on mobile so it doesn't pop up a message for me, it literally just freezes. So sad how these people have to cheat to win.
I once played a game of brawl against a guy who had his commander elspeth resplendent. He cast her, then immediately used her ultimate ability to make angels, recast he for five mana again the next turn and downticked her again to make angels
I have had this happen to me twice now, but when I come back into the game, i'm at the main menu, haven't been back into the game. Thanks for this, now I know what is going on.
Amazes me how you can be beating someone, they go "afk" for a bit then they come back with a perfect card to give them the advantage. Happens more times than not.
This one time I was playing, we were getting started then on turn 4 the guy I was playing had 9 creatures already. No tokens no card draw no land gain. All creatures power/toughness above 3
It makes me wonder if some of the players stalling when the are near death is an attempt to get this exploit.
Defiantly happened to me more than once too. I didnt think much of it until you made this video. I just assumed it was a minor glitch. So thanks for this video, now I know I'm not alone.
when you restarted the game he had a extra land.
Like 5 extra lands
After the reboot, he (quitcryin) had 2 extra land
look again, he had 1 extra land, which i can assume he played after it was passed to his turn due to timeout fuckery.
dodgy arena code? maybe? probably yes?
cheating? no, just salty from a bum hand and mana screw
Recording player had an extra card in hand after the reconnect, the game had passed back to recording player turn, and then passed back to opponent who played a another land.
@@lalilulelolilo I think the point trying to be made is that this isn't a random occurence. It seems to be somewhat patterned with the fact that when it does that it bugs the game out into making it look like you DC'ed. When in reality it didn't and its still going meaning that your opponet gains an advantge until the player comes back. Of course the solution is to immeditally reboot the game when you see that happen and hope that not many turns passed. Yet if its true that they can force your game into doing that, then thats a very scummy pratice to even use period.
I had this "crash and cheat" tactic happen to me a few times a year ago, then it stopped for a long time, then it started again recently. Between turns 1 and 3, the client will mysteriously crash during the opponent's turn. I quickly log back in and see the opponent has played additional lands and spells. My turn is skipped and/or cards are discarded due to hand size. I usually catch the crash quickly and return to the game, so there should be plenty of time for me to get in before the timer depletes. I also noticed that when I get back in the game, all emotes are bugged and disabled. It's weird. If it's not a hack, then it's the oddest, most random thing I've experienced in a game...
This happens to me all the time. Arena handles lost connections terribly.
I have a possible explanation for, what looks to be, people resigning as they see the card you drew. I'm one of those players who, even if I know I'm going to lose, I still like to play out my turn. Happens a lot with daily bonuses. Like, if my daily bonus is to attack with X number of creatures, I'm still going to do that even if I know I have no chance of winning. So I play out my turn and as soon as I click my last action I try to resign. I play on a laptop sometimes and it isn't the fastest. Sometimes it takes a second or two to take effect, or I have to try to resign multiple times because my computer is slow. Because the game is auto-passing through the phases, If their are no holds placed on phases or neither players has an instant to play, sometimes the resign (that I pressed a couple seconds ago) actually takes effect, you guessed it, right after they draw their card. This only happens on my laptop. My desktop is decently speedy and I've never had to happen while playing on that.
Now if you are keeping track of it, and it always happens with the same players, and it only happens when you draw good cards, then maybe it actually is cheating. But if you are keeping good track of it, and the resignation comes after your draw step (but doesn't seem to have a strong correlation with the strength of the card you drew) then it might just be that the player has a slow computer.
I also had this happen to me 5 times in the past month. I won the game or was about to deal the death blow, then all of a sudden before it registered my win, the screen froze. I had to exit out of the game and log back in to get the game working again. I thought it was a server network problem. But after seeing what you guys are writing, I guess I am a victim to the cheaters.
Hey, this has happened to me a couple of times on the EU servers on ranked. What happened to me is when I was about to win the game (declaring attackers), I get the network error message and behind the prompt the game ends suddenly and it says "Draw". (Which I think is not even possible in ranked?) And a few times the game has conceded or ended the game on my behalf... Just before declaring attackers for the kill, same error message and behind the message opponent wins the game all of a sudden while I'm over 16life.
You can make a draw if you use Explosion to hit your opponent for lethal while decking yourself out.
@@Kasamori or infinite but that rotated.
how the hell did you go against the exact same guy period, that's bizzare in itself
I've noticed the same, I've also ran into people who's timers should have ran out or activated, but they're just sitting there, and I see their whole deck flashing as if they're scrolling through cards they want or something. Idk they need to look into this, but they probably won't. I've NEVER lost this much back when I would play magic on my old xbox 360.
I've had several occasions against several players I played against several times in ranked, and when I had lethal, suddenly a "network error" appeared, and Arena automatically restarted, and when I got back into the match, the opponents got an answer somehow every time, and the game was prolongued, but I still managed to win. That was pre-rotation btw. But there was two times that I have played against a guy, and when I got lethal on board, the "network error" message apeared, I reloaded Arena, and both times, against the same guy, the game just got completely restarted and I lost due to realy bad draws while he drew perfectly both games. Also, there was a time when in middle of a game an "An update for Arena is avaivable, please restart Arena" message popped out, causing me to restart Arena (since I had no other option), only so that it turns out that there is no update for Arena.
Btw, it only happened to me on Bo1. Never on Bo3.
The way that the game boots you for inactivity works like this: If you run out three timers, without gaining an additional timer, and you have no timers remaining it boots you. This can happen all in one turn, if you have 2 or more extra timers; Or over the course of a couple turns, if you have 1 or 0 timers built up. Obviously, if you have no timers and run out the clock it passes the turn, if the boot conditions are not met.
Every single time I've got that network error and relogged I've come back to a board state that makes no sense. Glad to see it's not just me.
I've witnessed multiple people take extra turns in that same way. As soon as I find out how, I'll be doing it as well because obviously Wizards doesn't care about the security or fairness of the format. I wonder if a class action might be possible...
Mtg arena is still littering with such trash players. I lost a game yesterday just cause my opponent had every single counter card against my upcoming card In the next draw/deck. Eventually he didn't attack that much kept destroying cards and shyte, and lets me lose the game cause I ran out of all the cards. Literally all cards were in graveyard except them lands and he was on sitting life counter of 6 against my 12 life.
Such BS
Nah they just got a "target opponent phases out" spell
Once got in a game during which all my moves were obviously predicted and manipulated by my opponent, when i had the play and the upper hand, i couldn't cast any spells and it auto-used my time-out until i passed turn. This exact process repeated a few times, only when i was about to 2 for 1 him or take back an advantage. Sickening
You auto concede when you have had no timeouts and time out for two turns. I have seen players many times since launch just idle out and it always goes two full turns.
I ran into the same thing on regular play a few days ago. Network error. Then his timer ran out and nothing happened. Restarted the game and apparently i "skipped" my turn. Didn't think of anything suspicious till now. Damn that would tough on WotC if Arena isn't cheat proof since they want it as a competetive E-sport.
If you have connection issues try these steps:
1. Close MTG Arena-Client
2. Open Cmd.exe as admin
3. Type ipconfig /flushdns and press Enter
4. Type ipconfig /registerdns and press Enter
5. Type ipconfig /release and press Enter
6. Type ipconfig /renew and press Enter
7. Type netsh winsock reset and press Enter
8. Restart PC and open MTG Arena Client
- This is called DNS Flush (translated from german wizards support)
I have a really slow computer, and sometimes, when it's obvious I'm going to lose, I'll play out my daily quest requirements, then concede, but by the time my concede actually registers, it's already the opponents turn, and they just drew.
I'm a little late for the party, but I've had this exact same network error action happen 2 times to me. Once was after a hard fought match when I was about to win, another time a few turns in where not much had happened. I don't have the players names, and I thought it was just something buggy happening with the game. Thanks for the video!
I don't think this is a cheat, it happen to me regularly once a week or so SINCE THE CLOSED BETA (I was in the closed beta)
Probably a bug although I don't know what it is or what is couzing it
Agree. I've had similar experiences since closed Beta as well on different machines and specs. Hard line and wifi. It has to be a bug in the system.
I’ve noticed while playing several games, the game will progress at a relatively normal pace, when my opponent is in serious jeopardy the pace will just stop, not a big deal they could just be thinking, while waiting for their play I’ll notice their hand blink a few times and out of nowhere they will have the answer. I don’t see myself as a poor sport, I give a “good game” every time, even when I lose, but I’ve noticed it quite a bit recently. I really like MTGA and will continue to play win/lose, even against cheaters. I would like to know if this is something others have seen as well.
This happened to me too, today. Never before. PC was online and I was assuming his timer runs out when in reality I was however disconnected and my timer was actually running ^^
not getting the connection lost/reconnect screen happens when there is a problem on the opponents side or you have a massive lag spike. i have a bad computer so this has happened to me quite a few time so i know a bit about it. ive had it happen to me, also when you have one 'timeout' left, you actually have three. you have the free 'timeout', you have the warning 'timeout' which happened when your out of hourglasses, then you have the kick 'timeout' which is orange. the normal and warning 'timeouts' pass phases but the kick one forces you to concede. so otherwise he played a completely fair game, you just don't experience this problem often enough to know whats going on. when half the time you try and play your computer semi freezes on you (animations and everything still happens but you dont change phases if you hover over a card it outlines it but it doesnt 'enlarge' it and you cant click on anything) you figure out these things pretty fast. maybe try playing with a friend and having them disconnect and then see what happens, it should play out as youve described. so yes he COULD have done it on purpose, i just dont see the benifit other than confusing players with good internet and computers who dont often run into this problem.
I have already been cheated. I just found this online game and thought it would be fun since the cheating in face to face games made it so not fun. However I was just cheated. The guy had a red card that cost 10 plus 2 red to cast. It cost x less to cast where x is the number of creatures under your control. He had 2 creatures and only 8 lands. How did he possibly cast the card? That was the second time I was cheated the first time I thought it was just a glitch.
You mean Volcanic Salvo? It actually costs x less equal to the total power of creatures you control, not just the number of them.
I've had this exact same error followed a suspiciously progressed game state (multiple turns later) after immediately reconnecting, when, as you stated i should have timed out and forfeited. I have only had this situation happen three times but in all cases that exact progression of events occurred making me rather suspicious.
When I concede I always wait for the opponent draw. Not because I can see hands but just to let the opponent know what his next draw was. Just a costume from fisical magic cards playing. When you scoop, both players see the next draws just for curiosity. A good feature would be reveal hand after concede...
This happens to me constantly but I admit my connection isn't the best because my router is downstairs but I still show a strong connection but not full. But out of nowhere I get these exact prompts conveniently when I'm winning.
I play from China, that means the connection to the server is very unstable, this is normal for me, whenever I see this I just restart the game, I don't think he is actually doing something weird, you just had connection problems. The fact that you did a network test just means that the connection problem was resolved, something that is wrong with the game is that when it gives that error even if the connection is re-established the game doesn't progress normally. The reconnect option does not always appear.
I recognize that avatar, something similar happened to me
Hey Des, have you looked at the output logs from that particular game to see if there's anything fishy in the error output?? Just curious because I checked the logs from some of my recent "suspicious" games, and I noticed there were a lot of weird errors like something was interfering with the certain server references (like error returning card image during my draw step). Maybe something to look at.
I got an opponent to -4 (negative 4) and kept going to neg 17. Once this player got me to zero, I LOST!!!
Similar thing happened to me. He could have ended me multiple turns prior but let me live. I get the strength to take him to negative 4 does not block any of the attacks and the game continues. He is then able to heal back into the positive and despite having multiple creatures he only attacks with one which I block. I then attack him with everything that I had which again he does not block the game still continues with him at negative 15. Next turn he attacks me with a few creatures and takes me down to 0 which results in me losing.
I don't remember the exact cards, but, I remember an instance a couple months ago when my opponent could of gone for the win but then didn't and waited a few turns perfectly playing around the exact cards in my hand that would have stopped them. It was blatantly obvious that they knew exactly what was in my hand cause it was like 5 cards. It was something like they had two creatures could swing with one for lethal (other summoning sick) but I had life gain in hand and had haste creature plus removal spell for blocker in hand to kill them so if they attacked I actually had lethal, so they left both creatures back.
It does seem like some type of packet hack. Sending a bad packet to your client to make it have a temporary bug that makes it assume it has an error but it doesnt, causing some type of error in the code not allowing you to follow up with the reconnect prompt. It would also make sense for data miners to know every id of each card in the game and packet sniff to cheat and know their opponents hand if the data cannot be encrypted.
the patch caused that when i get disconnected it says network error without showing reconnect and when i load back in it stays on the loading screen while still hearing timers and cards played i hate this
even more funky stuff at 5:41 he targets the healers hawk with the agent but yet it steals the primeate?!
I shit you not, the exact same thing has happened to me, although I'm not sure if it was the same player. I was playing Phoenix Dredge and the very turn I milled my two last phoenixes, I was disconected from the game. When I logged in again, I was disconected once more. After getting back on the game once again, my opponent roped me and conceded.
I will, from now on, keep track of this kind of issue. Thanks for the heads up.
Now that I've seen this I remembered that this has happened to me as well. I reconnected and I came back to my board gone and myself at 3 life
You disconnected. He used his card and cast manipulation and you used a timeout and then came back to the game. He never stalled after playing the card, your client just disconnected, right after he played dreams. The bug is it didn't boot you after disconnecting.
I also played against this user. I didn't experience the network connection issue you noticed, however I did have the odd circumstance of not drawing any additional lands after the 2 in my starting hand for the first 8 turns.
Had the same thing happen last night. I think it was just the servers.
I dont think theres any cheating here. For the connection issues causing a loss, if you notice the connection message briefly flash on the screen or sudden, unusual lack of action quickly alt-f4 and relaunch the game. It forces you to reconnect to the game before you lose via weird timeout
This just happened to me I tried reconnecting and every time I do he pauses and does nothing then the error message shows up again
I feel like the 'nonsensical concede after you draw the perfect card' thing happens far too often to be natural. I was running loads of wishboard decks in best of one ranked, pre-rotation, and during the grind to mythic in Bo1 it was especially noticeable. Mastermind's acquisition was the card that prompted it the most, with sudden concede after I draw it but before I even go to play it, while I'm in a losing board state otherwise. That email Wizards sent out with Eldraine release claims I have nearly 5,000 matches played, so this could be a matter of long-time players simple remembering oddities over time, since it certainly isn't an 'every game' thing, but it has seemed more common in recent months. And of course, most cheaters would be smart enough to wait for your bomb to resolve before they concede, if they wanted to act natural. That does make me wonder if, in my noticing it way more when I hopped on Bo1, if those aren't just the more impatient cheaters trying to churn out their rank as fast as possible.
Unmoored ego may still have the self timeout as well
Nothing has changed since my original video, but now there are bots that play alone.
He used a kill command. which can be done with this set up.
I know how this is done through my own research and . *ahem programs for other games tested. (Not Arena)
Report him to the support page under suspicions behaviour and give them the video without the names censored.
Omg so I wish I filmed this play session, but I have a bunch of Planeswalkers out, one being Vraska from Guilds. I target her with my Kaya's Ghostform, the game crashes, I relog and literally cannot find Vraska at allll. Not in exile, grave, hand, or field. Same with Kaya's Ghostform. Gone.
I had an instance earlier in the week where I roped the guy 3 times waiting for him to do things, and then all of a sudden he comes back, starts playing and literally has an answer for -everything- I play. All removal, all answers. It was literally the dumbest thing ever.
The agent of treachery won't be banned because it costs (5)(B)(B)
I just played a game where the guy had no creatures and suddenly he had 3 attacking pumped creatures with trample and haste and had cast no spells
Against, BobbersDown I had a very similar situation. I think he pulled a card he didn't have when he saw he was being milled.
Dumb theory, but I wonder if they send some kind of packet that causes a drop, then they send out something that reconnects but slip a separate IP they control as their opponent, maybe via spoofed IP. Which would explain how they know your hand and how you went from turn 3 to turn 6 or 7 in under a minute.
Is there a list somewhere for people to log on to and list the names of their opponents. When a player's name appears a couple of times, natural disconnect, technical problems. When their name keeps appearing, cheaty issue.
Something like this happened to me, don't remember the username.
Hey Dez sorry so long but I wanted to be as descriptive as I could. Happened to me several times. I also have had cards enter and not trigger when no hushbringer or anything that would have prevented an effect from happening. Then yesterday I had someone play a knight of Autumn and it blew up my artifact, came down with 2 +1/+1 counters, and they gained 4 life. They had no other nonland permanents in play at the time and I had nothing that would allow them to choose more than one mode nor do I think there is a card that would allow you to get that effect. I do not record gameplay but I wish I did. I was winning 20 to 4 at the time with a mask of immolation and a chandra in play. Attack with the tokens and sac them to the mask = 4 points of damage. They play Knight of Autumn and I let it resolve. They get all 3 modes. Blow up the mask gain the life and put the counters on. My GF was right next to me, she had next game, she saw the whole thing. I dont know if it was a glitch but if it was it was a very timely glitch. I am platnum 1 so not even at the top. I have no idea how something like that could even be possible without some sort of code written in by cheaters and for cheaters. That card is such a toolbox that it would have helped them without having to cheat with it. Just blowing up the mask would have helped them. I cant stand the idea of a bunch of cheating a**holes writing backdoor "I cant lose because my pride wont let me" codes into Arena. And then either secretly using them or more likely secretly selling them to their scummy a**hole friends. Makes me sick. Again sorry so long.
I've both won and lost games where this happened, on gold rank where somehow I doubt most of the cheaters would be.
Mine is even more. 1 land during 20 turns. The opponent has a deck that couldn’t beat me, still, I just had to pass and pass until I lose.
This happens to me really often... I was suspicious about my internet but I noticed that my connection was ok, and it happens more frequently as I go up in ranking x)
No problem under high plat/diamond but in high diamond/mythic I have a lot of "crashes"...
First we got Oko then we have suspicious server glitches, I don't want to play this game anymore x)
5-10-2023 username 96tk seems to have done this to me. Their timer has run out for literally 10 mins, enough time i am staring a a frozen screen while browsing youtube. Think i will just go to bed and let them keep the game hanged for a few days, just got to set my PC to not sleep
i know its long after you made this but i have several videos of people still doing this. and despite reporting countless times nothing will be done.
I really really believe this is happening in many ways. I know that RNG (Random Number Generators) are not perfect. But I have gone against so many players, time and time again that have Perfect opening hands, and then pulls that mirror a perfect counter to my entire deck. Once or twice, I would not find too odd, just bad luck. But when its the same decks and its the same pulls again and again and the accounts are all "Name+Series of Numbers" and or names specifically being crude and rude ... It does make you feel the game is way to hackable.
I would try dropping your connection while you are searching your deck in a joined match with a known player. See if your end has the reconnect option and theirs does not.
I know this is an old video, but in the alst couple of days going through platnium, I've had the game crash right before I'm about to win, when I reconnect useually at least one turn has passed, it's suspicious and annoying.
i've repeatedly had issues like this. especially multiple times on this day alone.
This happened to me during a draft game, was winning a match and the same thing happened with the pop up then his time out went out on my screen. However after about 2-3 min I just got kicked out of the match saying lost connection even though my connection was fine for everything else. Then I instantly got back into the game only for it saying I was defeated. Hella weird.
I’ve seen this happen twice- good idea writing down suspiciously playing names.
I THOUGHT I wanted thief of sanity banned for a long time, then Agent came out and I was like, nope... This thing. Agent of treachery is broken as shit. And I get that they thought a high casting cost would save it, but no, not in the same standard as blood for bones and bond of revival
This infinite timeout just happened to me and brought me to this video. lol
Ive lost connection like that 10s of times. Always happens when im about to win / never at "middle" ofnthe game and cant usually reconnect and resume
Poeple who are salty and are gonna quit will make you watch their turn and quit as you draw your card to rob the fun uou potentially would have had. Personally more than cheating I think its a culture of sore losers and easily butt hurt people who can't take a L.
My internet is absolutly shitty, so i can say with reasonable confidence that that whole event was confusing as fuck. Why on earth would the turn end? You normally just lose outright when the timer ends.
This has always happened to me since the beta launch and still to this day. About 1 in every 4-5 games there are suspicious “disconnects” (also to note it’s never when I’m in a losing position, only when dominating or about to strike for the win) where I’m still connected to the net but cannot take any action
If it truly is just buggy servers and a ghetto client it would be helpful if there was a notification that let you know that the game has been disconnected, regardless of your actual network status. The hardest part about troubleshooting is that you don’t want to quit when you’re winning firstly and secondly people take ridiculous 5 minute turns even when there aren’t any connectivity problems lol so hard to tell when you disconnect