ok i understand your trying to stay away from ether but at least plug the tractor in at night that will help you avoid damage to the starter from cranking it that long
Why the heck can't you find a building to keep these wonderful tractors under cover. Have to agree with comment below - for a 40 series it is in a shocking state.
Do you have a short hydraulic hose on an empty scv?...To circulate the oil for a while before driving?...it really helps warm things up while you're waiting....
Of course they don't. LOL They wouldn't even know what you are talking about! LOL Just look at that poor state in which that tractor is in. They don't know and don't care.
You seem to have never ever even seen someone use ether correctly at next to trace amounts, the biggest fail here was leaving it in the can. I had a system where a braided rope of paper towels was wired just under the rain cap on the intake screen. Put a few shots down the intake tube thru the screen and then wet the paper towels until dripping. Two tries and she is off and running instead of your ten cranks in two minutes. And then the other side of it is propane will never detonate - you don't seem to know enough to try it either. Railroads are retrofitting locomotives to add trace propane 100% of the time as FYI info blurb. The difference between 800 RPM idle speed and 1,100 warm up RPM doesn't need micrometer inching either.
a snort of starting fluid wont hurt but if u dont know how to use its better to not use it the starter engine wont go as long but a starter engine is cheaper than a big 6 cil diesel engine
The pumps are made for a full throttle position on cold start and bring back once they light. Factory barrel settings stop the bounce starts and give immediate lubrication on cold starts. She's not in to bad of shape it didn't turn once the hydraulic pump took prime.
Oh lord, like most people say, ether doesn't hurt when in small amounts. But when your starting it and it starts don't let it sit there and fumble to life, give it quarter throttle and let it sit for a bit to warm the hell up
alot cheaper to replace batteries and starter than fix ether damage, an ounce of prevention pound of cure, don't rev her too much till turbo has good lubrication
SJD4020, you and bubba need to get better educated. Ether damage in an engine only occurs from overdoing the either, or from injecting it PRIOR to cranking. Ether is supposed to be injected only WHILE cranking the engine. Then, you only continue its use briefly until tractor is running on its own. Been a heavy truck and diesel mechanic all my life, as well as a part-time farmer with my grandfather and uncle. I'm also college educated to boot, not that it really matters. My point is, I know what I'm talking about. Being afraid to use either on a cold engine is just plain foolish, and I stand 100% behind what I said before in my prior comment 11 months ago. BTW, our family has never hurt a single diesel with either in over 50+ years of farming & trucking.
Next time you are thinking ether, try a shot of WD-40 instead. Not only does it seem to work good, but it won't get your engine addicted, and provides top-cylinder lube too.
Many diesel farm tractors have engine block heaters that you would plug into an AC 110/115V power outlet for engine pre-heating purposes. Some do not. Very few have 12V glow plugs or 12V intake air heaters. Many older tractors had on-board ether injection systems for cold weather starts, where block heaters were not able to be used, due to lack of AC power availability. Foolish people disable, or choose not to use such systems. Knowing what I know about John Deere equipment, I'd bet good money that this tractor has or had an electrical push-button ether injection system built into it, but this fella chose to not use it, nor maintain it.
Turbo Diesel I didn't use the ether Injection because the can is empty, and the bottom of the holder is stripped so it won't unscrew. Just haven't gotten around to fixing it
like to spray it in the air filter my self over using the button I might be on glue but with the air mixture dilutes it a bit so its not nocking the shit outta those pistons as much ether is such a hard dry start and that's what's wrong with it if im wrong on that please educate me more on it
Wasn't hitting on all cylinders for a while there old girl was COLD we never have that much trouble of course the coldest we get is around 25F average and have glow plugs
Where I am it can get to -40... I try not to use my 8640 when it's that cold, but sometimes ya just gotta... At that temp I leave it plugged in... Start it up and then unplug while using, then plug in when done if I know I need it the next day... a puff of ether is usually needed when -20 and below, even when plugged in... Then also sometimes Booster cables... Then sometimes it's no go.... lol...
3 or 4 hours needed for block heater to be effective. Only 1 hour of plug-in wouldn't be enough. Ether would have been much better to have used in this scenario.
I need to know what batteries are being used for these cold starts??? Live in south Texas and my JD batteries would never make quarter of those turns......
All you either lovers out there, just through that shit in the garbage and plug your shit in, problem solved. I cant for the life of me figure out why everyone loves to see a cold start....it is so hard on everything.
i can see what you mean about tractor being abused, by the way the front screens are held on with bungee cords and just hanging there..no dash top,if that was my tractor i'd have to fix every thing and paint it,i like my stuff neat,clean,and nice,can tell it bothers you that the equipment does not get taken care of by the other people you work with,i know what that's like..they want to drive them,but not service them...
+Mason h wipes the oil what may be on the cyl walls off..broken rings. busted pistons. bent or broken con rods. blown head gaskets. cracked heads. then add one thats got glow plugs and u can have either of the above plus a big mess
WV Farmer I have used ether for years and years, even on diesel engines that said not too and never had an issue related to ether use. I used it to start an old gm 6.2 for 10 years and had 250k miles
I bet that starter is still cold let er crank! The block heater is probly junk anyways . and apparently ether injection isn't hooked up either. Most Deere lovers give the steering wheel a jerk to help the hydraulic pump turn
your worried about hurting that engine...? LMAO it looks like you have pretty much abused and beat the hell out of that tractor already. what a disgrace to a fine piece of machinery
Typical farmer shit torn apart don't put it back together and bungie cords holding radiator screens in. Most farmers can fuck up a wet dream and they just trash their equipment. 10 percent actually take care of their stuff
+SuperJohndeere4020 ether doesnt damage anything. not on engines without glowplugs. endlessly cranking an engine with a mechanical oil pump, thats what kills engines. also there is a lot of unburned diesel gathering on the piston, when you crank it that often. that unburned diesel results in this rough smoky start.
Travis Magera what are you taling about? youre not meant to spray it in there like it was insecticide. the endless cranking however will still be much worse than the ether. the only engines that wont like starting spray are those with glowplugs or with a heat wire maf sensor. every othter diesel engine in the world loves starting fluid.
+SuperJohndeere4020 : That's because your IH 656 either has low compression or fuel injection problems (like worn out injectors). Probably both, as a 656 is an OLD tractor nowadays. Your Deere is getting tired also with well over 7,000 hours. A quick sniff of ether would have lit her right off, and would have been the right thing to do. You are needlessly beating the hell out of your batteries and starter by over cranking the thing. Too bad you couldn't plug it in and let it warm up before starting it. It would start up one helluva lot easier, and be much better for the engine in the long run. At least you have the good sense to let it warm up gradually and not sit there and rev it up and down and screw around and immediately force it under load like some idiots I've seen do to their diesels.
David-Trey Tichenor is the tractor made for parades or this??? You old be amazed at what these starters could take I mean there tractors are made for this so are there starters.
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nice touch with the bungee cords.
hard on starter a quick shot of either pull throttle back
Wow , what a start :)
Greetings from east frisia
Thanks for showing a very good video.
ok i understand your trying to stay away from ether but at least plug the tractor in at night that will help you avoid damage to the starter from cranking it that long
Beautiful sound
ginggur17 if it was my tractor it would be straight piped?
Why the heck can't you find a building to keep these wonderful tractors under cover.
Have to agree with comment below - for a 40 series it is in a shocking state.
fergie35X pretty sure it's not his. He just works there
Our 4440 stays outside most of the time
I was Glad we got rid of are 8640
Do you have a short hydraulic hose on an empty scv?...To circulate the oil for a while before driving?...it really helps warm things up while you're waiting....
Of course they don't. LOL They wouldn't even know what you are talking about! LOL Just look at that poor state in which that tractor is in. They don't know and don't care.
Plug it in!!! or give it some ether! Before glow plugs most things had ether injectors on them !
D Steven Paisley most all of your inline 6 engines still today don't use glow plugs.
Yeah I agree but alot of people are stupid and don't care or not to smart
Glow plugs would be a nice touch
You seem to have never ever even seen someone use ether correctly at next to trace amounts, the biggest fail here was leaving it in the can. I had a system where a braided rope of paper towels was wired just under the rain cap on the intake screen. Put a few shots down the intake tube thru the screen and then wet the paper towels until dripping. Two tries and she is off and running instead of your ten cranks in two minutes.
And then the other side of it is propane will never detonate - you don't seem to know enough to try it either. Railroads are retrofitting locomotives to add trace propane 100% of the time as FYI info blurb. The difference between 800 RPM idle speed and 1,100 warm up RPM doesn't need micrometer inching either.
a snort of starting fluid wont hurt but if u dont know how to use its better to not use it the starter engine wont go as long but a starter engine is cheaper than a big 6 cil diesel engine
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The pumps are made for a full throttle position on cold start and bring back once they light. Factory barrel settings stop the bounce starts and give immediate lubrication on cold starts. She's not in to bad of shape it didn't turn once the hydraulic pump took prime.
Have you not heard of a block or circulating heater???
Gerald S I was thinking the same thing. Just plug the damn thing in
we have a 4850 and she sometimes starts up like that in the winter.
This is the most hilarious cold start I have see yet on RUclips
Oh lord, like most people say, ether doesn't hurt when in small amounts. But when your starting it and it starts don't let it sit there and fumble to life, give it quarter throttle and let it sit for a bit to warm the hell up
my uncles was 8640 and he never took this long to start in alaska in un fare conditions
alot cheaper to replace batteries and starter than fix ether damage, an ounce of prevention pound of cure, don't rev her too much till turbo has good lubrication
bubba chunky That's what I think.
SJD4020, you and bubba need to get better educated. Ether damage in an engine only occurs from overdoing the either, or from injecting it PRIOR to cranking. Ether is supposed to be injected only WHILE cranking the engine. Then, you only continue its use briefly until tractor is running on its own. Been a heavy truck and diesel mechanic all my life, as well as a part-time farmer with my grandfather and uncle. I'm also college educated to boot, not that it really matters. My point is, I know what I'm talking about. Being afraid to use either on a cold engine is just plain foolish, and I stand 100% behind what I said before in my prior comment 11 months ago. BTW, our family has never hurt a single diesel with either in over 50+ years of farming & trucking.
Turbo Diesel exactly
Have you ever seen cracked pistons from ether damage?..I have. Pistons and the labor to install them are more expensive than batteries etc..
You are a fucking idiot
Next time you are thinking ether, try a shot of WD-40 instead. Not only does it seem to work good, but it won't get your engine addicted, and provides top-cylinder lube too.
They make ether with cylinder lubricants in it. Most ether cans sold nowadays have it.
And tractors don't have heater plugs for cold starting?
Tal Ben Avraham. Most of them do not have Glow Plugs. This one is one of them.
SuperJohndeere4020 thanks.
Many diesel farm tractors have engine block heaters that you would plug into an AC 110/115V power outlet for engine pre-heating purposes. Some do not. Very few have 12V glow plugs or 12V intake air heaters. Many older tractors had on-board ether injection systems for cold weather starts, where block heaters were not able to be used, due to lack of AC power availability. Foolish people disable, or choose not to use such systems. Knowing what I know about John Deere equipment, I'd bet good money that this tractor has or had an electrical push-button ether injection system built into it, but this fella chose to not use it, nor maintain it.
Turbo Diesel I didn't use the ether Injection because the can is empty, and the bottom of the holder is stripped so it won't unscrew. Just haven't gotten around to fixing it
Geez guy..just a 1-2 second shot right into the air filter lid..We have a herd of Jd's its just what they have to have ..
like to spray it in the air filter my self over using the button I might be on glue but with the air mixture dilutes it a bit so its not nocking the shit outta those pistons as much ether is such a hard dry start and that's what's wrong with it if im wrong on that please educate me more on it
Wasn't hitting on all cylinders for a while there old girl was COLD we never have that much trouble of course the coldest we get is around 25F average and have glow plugs
Yeah she takes a while to get going on all the cylinders but eventually she fires.
Where I am it can get to -40... I try not to use my 8640 when it's that cold, but sometimes ya just gotta... At that temp I leave it plugged in... Start it up and then unplug while using, then plug in when done if I know I need it the next day... a puff of ether is usually needed when -20 and below, even when plugged in... Then also sometimes Booster cables... Then sometimes it's no go.... lol...
I would have put my boots on, come out, and plugged it in for an hour. It's really what's best for them. Ether is always a last resort.
that's what I think, I only use Ether if it is absolutely the last solution.
3 or 4 hours needed for block heater to be effective. Only 1 hour of plug-in wouldn't be enough. Ether would have been much better to have used in this scenario.
Turbo Diesel well he's got damned good batteries in it.. I would've been going for a boost....
Turbo Diesel 3 or 4 hours? Not true what so ever. It can be plugged in for an hour and heat up the engine oil enough to be effective.
Landon Harris plug in time depends on how cold it is... at minus 30 it needs plugged in all night....
Well as you can see we got snow
An 8640 for 2 inches of fluffy snow? Just a little extreme. Lol
I wanted to play lol before somebody else did.
I would want to run it too. Don't be afraid of the magic spray. Within reason of course. You have enough wear to be oily in the valves.
I need to know what batteries are being used for these cold starts??? Live in south Texas and my JD batteries would never make quarter of those turns......
Duane Henicke I think everything we have has Napa Batteries in them.
All you either lovers out there, just through that shit in the garbage and plug your shit in, problem solved. I cant for the life of me figure out why everyone loves to see a cold start....it is so hard on everything.
Crank steering wheel back and forth help cold starting on John Deere 40 series and below
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this guy doesn't know if someone started his tractor?
yeah I laughed at that part too. It's very hard for me not to notice someone firing up my tractors
If he didnt know that some one started his tractor, he wouldnt have a tractor
TericNoah Wright
short bursts. of ether
i can see what you mean about tractor being abused, by the way the front screens are held on with bungee cords and just hanging there..no dash top,if that was my tractor i'd have to fix every thing and paint it,i like my stuff neat,clean,and nice,can tell it bothers you that the equipment does not get taken care of by the other people you work with,i know what that's like..they want to drive them,but not service them...
why didn't you plug it in
Cause they are idiots
R.I.P. starter
International Man hasn't died yet, still working today.
Tuffy do you plug it in any? I got an IH 806 and its go the ether start and the plug in heater
International Man Its gets plugged in if we know we are going to use it. But if not they usually ether it if doesn’t start.
Tuffy nice
Oh man these people really giving u a hard time we all do our own things
The Alabama Farmer what’s funny is the tractor still has the original starter, people underestimate how long a starter can go without being replaced.
Many JDs have built in ethersystems with a yellow button on the dash
framfull the bottom on this one has issues that we haven’t got around to fixing. Can’t replace the can.
Anyway, a great machine wich is a Classic these Days. Nice yard with lots of goodies by the way.
someone gave you a little too stern of a lecture on using ether. Yes don't over do it, but it's not the boogeyman.
jtoddjb I've just heard bad stories about it and I've what it can do when over used.
Ether doesn't hurt anything if you use it right. If ether killed engines like everyone says it does they wouldn't make it
+Mason h Yeah right . Engine rebuild in cans will never rebuild a fucking engine but they still sell the crap
+WVTrucking Farmer explain how either hurts engines
+Mason h wipes the oil what may be on the cyl walls off..broken rings. busted pistons. bent or broken con rods. blown head gaskets. cracked heads. then add one thats got glow plugs and u can have either of the above plus a big mess
Rebuild in a can? LMAO Snake oil will always be snake oil, that's for sure. However, ether is not snake oil.
WV Farmer I have used ether for years and years, even on diesel engines that said not too and never had an issue related to ether use. I used it to start an old gm 6.2 for 10 years and had 250k miles
Darn, I was hoping you would push some snow on camera.
HE abused the heck out of that thing! lol use some ether or plug it in ! problemed solved
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A very big an cool tractor and the sound is good but please dont start it again in this way
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I bet that starter is still cold let er crank! The block heater is probly junk anyways . and apparently ether injection isn't hooked up either. Most Deere lovers give the steering wheel a jerk to help the hydraulic pump turn
Rick Coats everybody has their own way of starting their machinery. And, if you hadn’t noticed I did give the starter a break.
where is cord
Just use some damn ether
He is probably one of those dumb fucks who thinks that tractors get addicted to starting fluid.
your worried about hurting that engine...? LMAO it looks like you have pretty much abused and beat the hell out of that tractor already. what a disgrace to a fine piece of machinery
Cosmetics really don't matter if it doesn't run now does it
But it does run. Cosmetics DO more OFTEN than not, directly REFLECT on how well a piece of equipment has been cared for or not by it's owner.
fly wayne it it runs ,works and gets the job done then it don’t matter how bad it looks
Look at the condition of the cab. The cab tells the whole story of how well the rest of the tractor is cared for
@@Fordfarmer9700 your user name says it all. And I bet your stuff is all beat to shit and held together with twine tape and wire
It is singing
Oil is at max?? Claclaclalaaaaa, but it s a deere, the best!!
is this for real I hope not
Just play it smart next time and plug your tractors in
You are wored about that old ting
Good girl
Typical farmer shit torn apart don't put it back together and bungie cords holding radiator screens in. Most farmers can fuck up a wet dream and they just trash their equipment. 10 percent actually take care of their stuff
Give er ether
Why not keep it in the shed, when you’re done with work. Poor tractor
tigerheart6 don’t have one
Jason Jason I did reply, look above. It’s not my problem anymore.
lights on that is not good
Never use either very bad idea
I don't use it unless I really need it. Like the 656 ih it don't matter how warm it is it always needs a snort.
My uncle just ether plug it in or just crank and crank
+SuperJohndeere4020 ether doesnt damage anything. not on engines without glowplugs. endlessly cranking an engine with a mechanical oil pump, thats what kills engines. also there is a lot of unburned diesel gathering on the piston, when you crank it that often. that unburned diesel results in this rough smoky start.
Travis Magera
what are you taling about? youre not meant to spray it in there like it was insecticide. the endless cranking however will still be much worse than the ether. the only engines that wont like starting spray are those with glowplugs or with a heat wire maf sensor. every othter diesel engine in the world loves starting fluid.
+SuperJohndeere4020 : That's because your IH 656 either has low compression or fuel injection problems (like worn out injectors). Probably both, as a 656 is an OLD tractor nowadays. Your Deere is getting tired also with well over 7,000 hours. A quick sniff of ether would have lit her right off, and would have been the right thing to do. You are needlessly beating the hell out of your batteries and starter by over cranking the thing. Too bad you couldn't plug it in and let it warm up before starting it. It would start up one helluva lot easier, and be much better for the engine in the long run. At least you have the good sense to let it warm up gradually and not sit there and rev it up and down and screw around and immediately force it under load like some idiots I've seen do to their diesels.
Plug it in if you know your going to need...it ain't rocket science.
That thing needs fixing
good job ruining the starter . either never hurt anybody!!
Not entirely true, but if used properly and SPARINGLY, agreed - it doesn't hurt anything.
David-Trey Tichenor is the tractor made for parades or this??? You old be amazed at what these starters could take I mean there tractors are made for this so are there starters.
David-Trey Tichenor once you use either the engine I’ll pretty much Rely on it when it’s cold you don’t know jack shit
Co za głąb, że o chlewie w ciągniku nie wspomnę!
Everything about this was painful to watch.
What a pos. Tractor also
You are the POS just like this guy
ETHER WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER ON IT FOR PETES SAKE!!! oh yeah lets let her clank and bang, real smart NOT!
Justin Altemeier It started just fine without it and still does, because we use ether as little as possible.
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