The Phoenix Suns Were WRONG To Fire Frank Vogel
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2024
- The Phoenix Suns Were WRONG To Fire Frank Vogel according to Gilbert Arenas as he & The Gil's Arena react to the breaking news of the Suns deciding to part ways with their head coach following their sweep from the NBA Playoffs and debate if he was a scapegoat like he was for the Los Angeles Lakers or was it on Kevin Durant, Devin Booker and Bradley Beal to play better in their first season together.
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Whoever thought trading for Bradley Beal when you already got KD and book on the team should be right behind Vogel out the door smh 🤦🏽♂️
Book and KD was giving Nuggets hell last year and they decided not to give them depth but get rid of stuff to make the team worse
Fr, they was better off getting defenders and a decent pg
They needed to find hustle players frfr
No trade clause ALONE is reason to not do it.
New owner demanded they get Beal. Ownership fault.
McCants been on fire this week 😂😂
Facts
He’s definitely been cooking. Main voice of reason
i know right
Facts
He got the whole building burning down too 😅
Three coaches in three years I wonder who is the problem 😂😂😂
Player entitlement
Well one of those coaches was there 4 years so your wording is misleading.
@@robertoenriquez3659what? Wording is not misleading lol...they've had 3 coaches in 3 years that's facts....what's misleading about it lol
You
Nd Jordan fans
Vogel is a defensive coach... Watching him coach the suns was painful. I could see why he was so frustrated, they literally brought in 3 level scorers at every position 😂 how is that feasible???
PHX are a bunch of guys who don't want to hustle or play hard, Thib won't even be able to do anything with this team, do you think Beal or Booker will run for 40+ minutes hustling and fighting for loose ball so KD can get easy shots
Tbh he shouldn’t have taken the job. Team composition was terrible and the only way it might work is if they had an offensive genius that would have them scoring 130 a night - in a similar breath to the nets. I thought the lakers set him up for failure by going from a defensive oriented team and trading all their defensive players for russ.
@@JohnnytNaturalI disagree it’s just a all offensive team that has no defense and they lack point guard play so they don’t even have no real identity on offense we don’t even know the starting pg thats the problem
@@JohnnytNatural+ vogel asked for a PG and all they did was make Book pg. lol nobody is setting the table for 3 scorers, is indeed retarded
@@SeddyPoohThey don't know the starting PG either because they don't have 1 the front office guys refused to let him get 1.😒
Mccants been making great points lately. Totally agree with him here.
No he didn’t. Y’all don’t know ball
@@redclxxd5974y’all be on Gil meat. Anything he say y’all act like it’s law
@@redclxxd5974so tell me what ball you know...
@@redclxxd5974what ball do you know? Run it by me
@@redclxxd5974he did
Rashad will not look Kenyon in his eyes 😂
Hehehe
What happened? They got into it?
Allegedly
Stop bro, Peace prevails
@@Stryk3outallegedly? Wym they did during the jokic segment and Kmart starting getting personal
This on the upper management. Three coaches in three years, Traded your valuable role players for KD and Bradley Beal, never got a PG who can facilitate the offense to make Book, Beal and KD job easier, other than Nurkic you didn’t add any size. Vogel told management what he thought was needed and they ignored him. But he gets fired. BS if you ask me.
I agree 1000%. The owner is horrible though. He deserves the lion share of the blame in my opinion
James Jones the GM who’s a good GM looks real foolish for blowing up the roster that they had when Monty Williams was the coach.
They traded away ALL of their youth and depth for KD and Brad Beal.
Beal being underwhelming was the issue. He's getting paid over 50 million and playing like a role player. They can get 2 or 3 legit role players for 50 mil a year
How much do role players make now?
That wasn’t even the issue it’s the way the team was built. Three scorers nothing else no defenders no legit catch and shoot players no playmaker no bench it was just poorly built
@@12savage68 anywhere from 10-20 mill. Anunoby is making 18 mil, Hart and Divencenzo are making 10-12 mil. These 3 would still be making 12 mil less than what Beal makes. You put these 3 with Booker and Durant and that's an easy contender with Allen shooting the highest percentage in the league
@@L47Dino as mentioned above, you can add 3 legit role players for the amount of money Beal is making. They also have Allen, Nurkic, and Royce under contract
@@L47Dinothat was the issue, they had no business getting him. He did nothing for them
NO DIDDY GIL😂😂
Nah Gil wrong!! First off they have no point guard, second when Book brings the ball up the court runs off 4 screens and puts up a shot without passing the ball once, that’s a problem. You can’t compare an eastern conference team to a western conference team. The east is cake compared to the west
No it’s not, pacers will run you off the floor, Knicks play hard all 48 min, Celtics will shoot the lights out, bucks can beat you with 3 level scoring plus hella free throws, 76ers are just decent with a great center, Miami find dudes out the mud and turn them into scrappy fighters, it’s not a cake walk, both conferences are tough, but the West will be even tougher once Ja morant comes back(pelicans and the kings have to make moves)and the Warriors re-up next year along with the Bucks figuring out their future play style because didn’t know wtf they wanted to do this year.
They talk about accountability with these players wat about Lebanon never his fault
@@greyyb8860 sir you named 5 teams in the East. The West has, LA, GSW, Memphis when they healthy, Wolves, Denver, OKC, Rockets looking scary, PHX, Clippers, Dallas, Kings, Pels. The west is 11 teams deep.
@@conradgil621 fuck him. All he do is whine and complain
@@kballer151 I feel ya but that just proves the current landscape of the nba, stars joining forces but it’s good that young players can develop on those bad teams and they won’t be ready until 5 years later
Lmfaoooo pause “all the good meat over here” is crazy 😭
Y'all boys love to point out gay shiiittt...y'all like that huh lol
Dat shit was crazy
Yeah big pause on that
Gay
The faces Brandon was making when he said it took me out lol.
Kenny Atkinson, Steve Nash, Monty Williams, and Frank Vogel. All them coaches and not one trip past the 2nd round. At least Vogel won one in LA and Ham went to conference finals.
Monty Williams did great for them. Took them to the NBA Finals and won couple coach of the year. I honestly don’t know why they fired him after losing to the Nuggets that ended up winning it all that season.
@@123FUG33they did a panic move after being blown out in a second round series closer twice by two generational Eastern European guys
@@123FUG33 They were planning on keeping Ayton, which is why they fired Monty and hired Frank. If you know Frank's history, it's kinda obvious. But Ayton still wanted out.
“Dirty Frank” 😆
The sun's firing of Monty Williams was one of the dumbest moves by them in recent memory
That no Diddy at 3:09 has me rolling over 😂😂😂😂😂
It's funny how they media attack Lebron over an actual incompetent coach getting fired "because he's black" but has nothing to say about Frank Vogel lol
This needs pinned
Depends on who you’re watching..a few channels I’m subbed to went in on KD, Booker and Beal overrated ass for getting Vogel fired.
Lol literally nobody is saying the "because he's black" comments. Shit, even if he was a gay trans muslim, nothing would have changed lol
Shut up it took the media 20 years to call out LeBron getting coaches fired 💯
He was never a good coach
Yep it’s never the players faults
Never! Smh
Blame everyone but themselves!
Yep, it's never the coaches' faults.
@@smoothsavage2870 then why’d he get fired?
@@JimmyN410 Because it WAS his fault lmao. I was being sarcastic obviously.
Durant coach body count up there with Goannis and Bron since coach killer os the nee narrative.
KD literally called for the firing of Nash.
Player entitlement is wild but real. 😮💨
This firing was very similar to what happened in Brooklyn. Main component of both situations: Kevin Durant. Both Nash and Vogel were fired.
Steve Nash deserved to be fired
@@frankgayle5694 Did he deserve all of the blame?! How do you know if he really deserved blame?!
Have you watched every suns game this year? If not you probably don't have much of an opinion that matters...Vogel was an awful coach this season..total dud
@@j-us-t_be-in-g dog they fired bruh and won 20 straight games lol if that ain’t a indicator he was ain’t know what he was doing I don’t know what is
Nash was horrible so stop trying to ride the blame Durant wave. Vogel wasn't on Durant either. He did what Vogel wanted which was play power fwd, center and sit in the corner.
Dammit I'm agreeing with Rashad! LMAO
Fire who ever put this team together. The NBA try to take the true Center and true point guard out of the game but it dont work.💯
I believe the new owner made the decision. Can’t fire himself 🤷🏾♂️
ESPECIALLY point guard. It was painfully obvious
@@charlesdoss446 technically he can step down from making foot all decisions.
Cuh they be giving coaches 1 year to win a championship or get they ah fired they gotta stop ts getting outta hand 🤣🤣🤣
Knicks playing hard is a result of Thibs... Wherever Thibs coaches he gets the buy in and his teams no matter who is available they always play hard. Thats coaxhing more than just the game but getting the buy in and teaching guys your system and the game to have success. Thibs is a good coach... Need aome offensive work but overall a great coach.
Vogel isn't though? He's actually had more success than Thibs. I shouldn't have to beg professional athletes to play hard.
@@chuckgamble5696 I was only responding to the Thibs portion. That's why I mentioned Kenyon specifically. Vogel is a good coach but I think with Thibs you see more consistent results regardless of who is there.
Nah. He's an aight coach. He ain't that good... 🤣
Overall, Thibs is good at his job, but will never be good enough to be a championship coach
You get fired coaching both LeBron & KD lmao
Vogel gets $31 mil either way.
Have the fired coaches of LeBron won without him?!
Gil riding his bike to work? Got the VeloSambas on 💪💪💪
1. Frank was definitely a issue 💯
2. Monty was 10x the coach he was
3. Beal was the absolute worse pickup we coulda got 💯💯💯 expensive, injuries,lost confidence
4. The man waited damn near to playoffs to finally use BOL !!!!!!!
Shoulda never fired Monty..they had the right coach and showed him the door...not Montys fault he had no CP or Ayton last 2 games of playoffs last year...not Montys fault CP turned into a pumpkin the day he turned 37....
lol when are y’all gonna wake up and understand Book is the common denominator here. You ain’t ever gonna win a chip w him.
You are on something crazy if you think Monty Williams is 10 times better than Vogel 😂
Mark Jackson needs an interview for the Suns…
Not with that roster! 1. He way too real for them. 2. I'd hate for him to have such a shitty situation.
Mark Jackson is [.500+ coach]
@@geeroy8880you don't know ball if you're trying to use that as a negative when be coached GS through all Steph's injuries snd trading Monta who at the time most people thought was their best player
I mean the Knicks were 50-32 and the Suns were 49-33. The Knicks are in the second around b/c they played the banged up 76ers (47-35) as the 2nd seed, while the Suns had to go against the Wolves (56-26) at full strength. If the Knicks had to play the Wolves in round one it would have been the same story.
Knicks are playing Wolves in the Finals. We’ll see about that
Only thing I'll say is, they looked like they had no offensive plan.. however... When everybody hurt all years chemistry is a hard thing to come by. I agree with Kenyon, PHX should get D'Antoni for this team
Without a PG?! D'Antoni's system, if you really know basketball, is anchored by a PG. What Phoenix was running with Vogel was very similar to D'Antoni's system.
@@j-us-t_be-in-g ....this is assuming they will get a PG... I can't imagine them not making any roster moves... That'd be insane. They already have great offensive weapons to build up on... Definitely add a big and a PG.
@@j-us-t_be-in-g If D'Antoni wants a PG, they'll get one. They had 2 that Vogel wasnt utilizing, so they ended up getting traded.
Kenyon said he had all season to try to find a lineup, then ten minutes later said. He kept changing the lineup.
They got IT and Vogel said straight up he’s not playing him…
3:05 mccants face when Gil talking about all the meat lmao and the no diddy comment that followed 😂😂😂😂
These clowns could never be GM for any teams
Love Agent 0 but put the knicks in the west they´re missing the play-in lol
lol nets beat a lot of those teams and there at home too.
But Knicks have an actual PG.. Having Booker switch his role is gonna be hard. Plus Knicks have players that Vogal would love to have to like Hart and Isiah Hartenstein
Mccants really said tibs don’t do anything?? Tibs has been the same coach for years he has a system and has a way of playing. In Chicago them niggas we’re playing hard just like New York. Without D rose he got the best out of everyone and made jimmy butler the dude who he is today. I understand at the end of the day the players gotta make it happen. And mccants can’t just say you have Booker and Durant. They can make it work without coaching. You need a system and a way of playing. You can’t just put good players together and expect them to figure it out without coaching.
Right to fire ham but wrong for Vogel ? It wasn’t coaching unless you think any of those egos would’ve listened 👌🏼😆
He had Bol Bol on the bench and just left him
Vogel was bad, but he was set up for failure
Yes and no. He was hired because Ayton was still there. We all know Frank gets the most out of bigs. But Ayton wanted to leave, which render Frank useless, but they were already committed to Frank at that point.
Keyon : just because they grown you can’t hold them accountable?”
Mccants: imma hold that 150M
😂😂
3:20 Thibs also running like a 5 man lineup 😂
The only way I could think of the Suns playing with their current roster is the Mike Dantoni suns offense, just up n down, can’t play too slow since their stars like to shoot more 2’s than 3’s
I went to HS with Charles Lee......congrats to Him.....Chop Robinson that got drafted to the Dolphins in NFL also went to our HS! Good Stuff guys!
Maybe it’s the players? Maybe ? 🤷♂️
0:37 "Dirty Frank."
Rashad renamed a grown man! 😂
the problem with coaching now is that the gms and owners dictate how the coaches should play their players
It's on the coach to get those player to deliver, unless a player just quit and gave up
When we did start sympathizing for coaches like there money isn’t guaranteed
Martin high off that CO CO!
The hell was McCants talking about at the end?
My thoughts exactly
Kenyon face when mccants aint agree wit em 😆😆😆
Kenyon: They got swept!!
Mccants: that doesn't make it s reality.... 🤦🏾♂️
Funny how it's Vogel' fault for getting fired, but it's LeBron's fault when Ham got fired. Reports that Kd wasn't even talking to Vogel for months, but of course Durant NEVER gets any blame.
I'd love to see Steve Nash get another chance to coach, but with KD in Phoenix, that ain't happening anytime soon.
McCants Been on one lately! Gil ahh was quite them last 2min lookin like damn he got something here lol
Dirty Frank is such a funny nickname lol
“Got all the good meat” is a wild statement
Good meat is crazy work chill bro 😂😂😂
Also Mccants made a good point which I think too many people don't consider. They didn't have Beal for half of the season, to ask him to just incorporate chemistry for those guys especially during the playoffs was a tall order. Vogul could've gotten another season
Its the ppl at the top for the suns that did not do their jobs well , getting a bunch of primary scorers with out much else does lead to wins , can't change much when you have 3 max guys and not much else.
Rashad is 100% right. Playing hard is up to the players.
AYOOO "ALL THE GOOD MEAT" IS CRAZY
It wasn’t the best higher but the front office gave him nothing to work with.
Lebald is the P Diddy of the NBA the way he rams threw coaches! 🤔🙄😅
Kenyon stays yapping 😂
Man this shit made so much sense, it’s the same way long time bucks fans wanted more defense when the team was built around out scoring opponents, not tryna use up the total shot clock or keep teams to less possessions
Ok Brandon !!! Fear of God classic Vans !!🔥🔥🔥🔥⛽️🔥🔥
I agree w Mccants, to think keep firing coaches is the solution. The league is young so pairing older superstars together does not work. They do not play lock in defense and if they don't mesh well on offense it becomes stagnant because the superstars take turn going 1on1 with their defender
When they get fired after 1 season. Do they get the whole contract money or do they only get the 1 year and the rest get reimbursed to the team?
I’ll never understand how Bol Bol and Mo Bamba get so many DNPs (coach decision)
You don't? It's pretty simple. They are not dedicated to basketball and are lazy. Stop talking about these players. It's over for them
@@denk664 Bol Bol is very dedicated. Sounds like you're trying to find a way to defend Frank. If that's what you're doing, shitting on Bol Bol aint the way.
There's a reason they don't get any PT... they ain't that good.
@@jcc3333 They are good. Give them to a better coach and you'll see just how good they are. Lets not sit here and act like Frank knew what he was doing with them to say they werent good enough. He's well known for having bottom 10 offenses during his best seasons.
@@smoothsavage2870 defending Frank? Cmon he's nothing to me. I don't care about Frank and his Lakers chip. I'm not a Lakers fan. I'm going by the testimony of players. Check the Bol Bol episode on Gil's Arena, they alluded to that. Even regarding Frank, Bol Bol has multiple years in the league and he convinces no coach. So is it all the coaches fault and Bol Bol is blameless?
How The Sun's a wrong but the Lakers are not ??????
They had this recorded edited and uploaded all in 2 hours…they moved quick as fuck😂
You got a defensive coach with offensive players. I don’t understand how a player just plays one side of the court. Why be a liability out there, you don’t have to be elite but displaying your best effort can have A+ results
You dont understand how a player just plays one side of the court, but you understand why a coach only coaches one side? Make it make sense.... The players WERE playing defense, they ended the season at 13th in DEF, 10th in DEF their last 10 games. Frank was way worse at coaching offense than the players were at playing defense.
Y’all notice how McCants didn’t go after KD how he’s gone after LeBron???
Salute Rashad McCants for keeping it real about hard work. If you notice a player slacking off on defense or not pulling their weight, it's on them, not the coach. But, the coach should definitely give them a kick in the ass if they're not stepping up.
It's funny how it's always about the players until it's accountability time. Then it's the coach. Expected.
I'm agreeing with Rashad on this one..number one, really, were just going to blame frank for this, when he knew the line up they had was going to hurt in the playoffs, no true point guard, no bench depth, and KD still gettin' passes I see 🤣😂😅
Frank had PGs, he wasnt using them. He had bench depth, he wasnt using it. Frank made ZERO offensive adjustments, nor did he even have an offensive gameplan. He deserved a lot of the blame he's getting. But you dont watch, you just wait for KD to fail so you can blame him for the failure. I know your kind.
Why would Vogel be done as a head coach? i dont understand that one
Gil gets it. Can’t give bench 2 minutes and say “We need a bench”.
Exactly.
Goodness Gil…NO DIDDY
Peanut butter on top of honey buns hit different
Mccants be saying anything bro 😂
To compare the Suns to NYC is crazy. They have an entire bench and role players. Suns sacrificed all that for three players
You got all the good meat is ridiculous lmaoo
Vogal was set up to fail after they traded Ayton for a offensive SG who doesn't play defense. Coach Bud and D Ham would be a solid staff .
Sabien Lee right there. Brought on IT
If they only thought the same for lakers.
That sigh from Gil after K-Mart said Vogel won't be the new Lakers coach...
🤣
His coworker Reddick still has a chance!
Wow 🤯
Mccants might be the only one on the couch with some sense. Bc we know no coach will ever be able to implement a system coaching lbj.
McCants Dirty Frank name reasoning 😂😂🤣
Damn. I actually agree with McCantgetright
all the good meat is crazy
So players never have to take responsibility anymore. Or GM’s for bad hires or always listening to players.
Boi ain’t no way Boi
The worst NBA coaching job you could have is coaching a team with multiple superstars
I do not understand why these teams does not play Bol Bol. They just said it. he consistent, and that's without getting min and learning. Dats crazy
Devin Booker not gonna be able to hid for long. Dude is a basic superstar and Harden 2.0.
Harden was a mvp. Book won't ever..
Tell them let me do personnel let me handle the roster, shit i want all the smoke. I been hungry.