What Will Be The NEXT DEFUNCT B&M COASTER?
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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In this video, we break down which older B&M coasters in the US are at the most risk of becoming defunct, following the removal of 3 other B&Ms around the world in recent years.
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I'd go with Vortex (Carowinds) as the most likely to go, with Flight Deck (CGA) and Patriot (CGA) next most likely. Six Flags has a tendency to hang on to its coasters for as long as they feasibly can, even at their higher-tier parks. Cedar Fair, however, is more prone to pull the trigger on that sort of thing, especially at the parks they favor, and Carowinds has shown itself to be one of their favored parks over the past decade or so. The one thing that might be preventing Vortex from going sooner is that Carowinds also has some other dead wood in their coaster lineup, but even with that factor I still see Vortex going sooner rather than later.
CGA is already closing in less than 10 years
@@michaelpatten315 Which is why I put them as next most likely to go next after Vortex. The clock is ticking on the CGA coasters unless something happens to save them, which is unlikely at this point.
@@MarsJenkar flight deck i can see being reolcated at canada''s wonderland or KD
@@NickyD I don't see it. Flight Deck (CGA) is much older than Dueling Dragons was when it got retired. If Universal scrapped both coasters of Dueling Dragons rather than allow either one to be relocated or sold, I don't hold out high hopes that Flight Deck will be relocated, especially 2k+ miles away. Doesn't help that Flight Deck (CGA) is a terrain coaster, so Canada's Wonderland at least would be out (not enough land left to work in a terrain coaster that wasn't designed for the local terrain).
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I personally agree that green lantern will be the next to go. It is incredibly painful and every time i've been to that park it's basically been a walk on (everyone I know always tell each other to avoid it). Next year is the 50th anniversary (of the park) and they may remove it to add something there. Idk. Just a thought I had.
I wish this would happen so much. Idk why people say it's popular with the GP. If they ride it once they usually don't get back on ever. If there's no wait no one really re-rides. I'll do it twice and I'm done myself. It's just a waste, especially when it leads to them neglecting or not having the far superior Medusa open instead. I wouldn't even care if they got a "GP pleasing" B&M Dive Machine it would look better in the front and definitely be way smoother and funner at least.
@@oneandonlysound3453 It has charm for me as some of my first great adventure memories was watching it be built from the car on the way in. But the only reason i've ridden it more than once is because I have friends who haven't and want to go on it. And i'm not letting them suffer alone haha.
I think you overestimate Six Flags’ desire to remove coasters. I doubt the next would be them, without a park closure. I’d move Green Lantern to the 10% category and bring the 2 CGA B&Ms up because of the possibility of their lifespan being limited by the park, although that’s looking less likely now. Rougarou and Vortex are probably the top 2 candidates though, although for each park you do have to consider if that’s the next coaster on the chopping block or not. So I think it’s probably Vortex, since Cedar Point has a couple other coasters it might eye for removal first sadly.
Cedar Point might remove Corkscrew first before Rougarou, especially since Rougarou has better capacity, and Corkscrew has been permanently on two-train operation for a while. I would say Gemini, but I can definitely see Gemini making it to 50 years old in the next five years, so that one is safe to, but you are right. Cedar Point probably sees one or two more coasters to remove first before Rougarou.
I actually can see one or more of the Batman the ride clones getting removed. I think one of the older ones is most likely, maybe the one at Six Flags Great Adventure or the one at Six Flags St Louis. These are getting older and I don’t see Six Flags wanting to retrack these because of how small they are. I also subscribed! 😃
The og at six flags great america is still running like a dream and is smooth and intense!
Thanks for the sub! And I'm sure eventually some of the Batmans will go away. But not anytime soon. Still way too popular.
@@AmericasCoasterNetwork yup! Batman always gets a longish wait but you never wait too long since Batman easily has the best ops in the park. They’re constantly running two trains no matter what and send that thing out quickly despite having bins! It’s still a top three ride in the park to me despite the fact that it’s a clone. If that ride was never cloned people would call it one of the top inverted coasters still I think.
I dont see any b&M going in quite some time tbh.
Green Lantern is immensely popular amongst the GP and acts as a high capacity monster. Dont see it getting taken out.
Its also worth noting that some B&Ms like Kumba and Vortex got some tlc including partial retracking and a new control pannel/operating system. So theyre gonna be safe for a long while
If you ask me. I think patriot is gonna get the axe within a few years. And then theyll send its parts to keep vortex going.
The floorless patriot, not the invert right?
@@samplautz5586 Yeah floorless. The invert's not going anywhere for a long ass time.
I think Flight Deck is next
I hate to say it but I might agree. It absolutely sucks too because it’s my favorite b&m right now
They’re going to sell it probably or move it to canadas wonderland or valleyfair
Honestly, I enjoy Rougarou now that it's a floorless and the first drop trim is gone. I prefer it over the B&M Dives and Wing coaster. It would serve well to be sent off to a lower tier Cedar Fair park.
In all honesty kumba isnt even like rough hardly at all anymore. I believe the overhauled the wheel bogies not too long ago cause every ride I have gotten in the past couple months have been some of the smoothest ive ever seen in run since I've been riding it.
That's great to hear! We don't want it going anywhere!
I'd hate to see Superman Krypton Coaster Demolished. Its an iconic ride (I'm biased bc SFFT is my home park). It would be great to see it retracked but I'm not sure if Sic Flags would approve that budget cost.
i hope kumba will get retracked for its 30th birthday, i can’t imagine how good it would be with all new track
I hope so too, i was just there and th3 ride op told me there no plans yet. The park wont be the same without that howl coming from the back of the park
i dont see BGT spendig money on that i see a giga replacing it ora hyper
Definitely not on the chopping block is Medusa at Six Flags Discovery Kingdom. 23 years old. Still butter smooth. Has one of the tallest lips in the world. It's arguably the best ride in the park.
If Six Flags decides to get rid of Firebird it would be awesome to take the station track sections and trains and ship them to SFOG and have them convert Georgia Scorcher to a floorless.
And you didn’t mention Valleyfair for an invert. Considering land and popularity (KD is way more popular) I think CGA’s flight deck could go to VF. I just think KD is a better market for something completely brand new.
Also Michigan's Adventure if they want to get rid of the SLC.
I don’t see Scorcher being converted into a floorless anytime soon since that’s considered the best stand up coaster
Turns out, Lightning has actually been resurfaced from scrapping and is said to open at the upcoming Wonderla at Chennai, India. Perhaps I’ll make a video covering that soon.
Oh that's great news! At the time we made this video, there was zero knowledge of what happened. Looking forward to your video!
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Thanks! Can't believe it wasn't already saturated across RUclips.
I don't think Dueling Dragons was removed due to its age so much as they needed the space for Hagrid. That and the decision to stop dueling the trains (after the accident with a rider's phone flying out of their pocket and hitting someone on the other train) hurt its popularity, though not enough to keep several people from missing it.
(I'm an interesting case. I've been afraid of roller coasters ever since I was 9. I never rode either of the Dueling Dragons tracks, and yet I miss them. I guess the idea of dueling inverted coasters just left that big an impression on me.)
(Ironic, is it not? A coaster enthusiast who hasn't ridden one in over a decade, but was introduced to RCT1 when I was five, AND someone who misses a coaster they never even rode!)
I think that flight deck, kumba, patriot, vortex, are the next. Possibly the og Batman, but I think that would be re tracked before being scrapped
Really enjoyed this video and I agree that Vortex at Carowinds is awful
(I only rode it for the credit lol) and I would never ride it again!
I haven’t been on the others yet…
Except for Rougarou. And CP being my home park I would love nothing more than to see this head beater demolished! Don’t get me wrong, the drop and the first loop are great however that is all that is great. The rest is very painful experience from the neck up. The ONLY thing that would make me ride Headbangarou…is if they got better over the shoulder restraints, that don’t set so high above your shoulder. Something along the lines of Gatekeeper or Maverick restraints.
If that doesn’t happen then it’s
definitely gotta Rouga-GO!!
(Yeah I got a list of names for it) 😂
Haha! I love your list of names for Rougarou! And glad you enjoyed the video. 😃
@@AmericasCoasterNetwork you’re welcome
Rougawrong….Rougarough
Cheers to the start of the 2023 season!!!
I think the next one is Vortex at Carowinds
I hope they do, we need something new and it’s definitely a headbanger.
What about this. When CGA closes, relocate Patriot’s trains to Vortex and make it a floorless
@@SunshineStateCoasters I really do hope not. Both vortex and nighthawk could go and with the rapids gone that’s three pretty big areas for something new.
I forgot Medusa at SFDK opened in 2000 lol
I'm just curious for Silver Bullet at Knotts, it was built in 2004 and still runs great nearly 20 years since opening, in the future when the coaster gets older what do you think Knotts will do, retrack or scrap it maybe replace it with a Banshee clone?
I think it'll be at least another 10 years until it needs any work. And when it does, it'll be new track. As is being done with older B&Ms these days. A clone of Banshee would be awesome. But wouldn't fit.
@AmericasCoasterNetwork that's good to know. I love that coaster, maybe they can profile the drop a little steeper in the retracking just to make it a perfect ride
While I want Green Lanturn gone (ow, that thing really hurt my feet) it's Vortex at Carowinds. Being right next to Nighthawk (a ride at the end of its service life due to parts) AND not being the most popular in a growing park, I see the plot being utilised for their next coaster. Green Lanturn has a chance to be saved from floreless conversion, as much as I hate that ride it isn't a bad layout so a park may want it. While it's certainly possible Vortex could get sold off to another park like Freestyle at Cavalino Matto (that's what I think it's called) it's unlikely a park would want to invest in a B&M...only to get a lower tier stand up.
Green lanturn shouldn’t be floorless because medusa exists
I think part of the reason Patriot has low ridership is because of its location within the park. It’s hard to find at CGA unless you’re specifically looking for it. I walked passed it several times before I realized it was there. 😳
That's how I feel about Batman and Superman at Fiesta Texas. Walked back and forth right past those entrances so many times.
@@AmericasCoasterNetwork I’m happy to know I’m not the only one. 😆
My fear is Viper at MM. Its not the smoothest or most popular and it is aging out. Kumba at BGT is a prime candidate and Great Noreaster at Morey's Pier, given that T3 has aged out and they opened in the same week.
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They are. New design too. Two across, seats that flex, and a launch. Hopefully SeaWorld San Diego gets one!
"Alpenghiest and Montu are clearly the number one and two B&M inverts."
............Banshee has entered the chat. "American Coaster Network, y'all be trippin!".......🚪
Also, is Raptor at Cedar Point, which I believe is part of your intro, and possibly the most important inverted coaster ever made, not mentioned on your list for a reason?
Banshee is #3! 😜
And we do mention Raptor as safe at the 4:50 mark of the video. Thanks for watching!
@America's Coaster Network Quit lying! Lol. Jkjk. I think Banshee is #2 for me behind Montu. It's close, though, between them. You did stipulate a manufacturing date before Bashee was built, though, so I get it. Great video. Keep up the good work!
ValleyFair! doesn't have a traditional inverted coaster either, so Flight Deck could go there instead. I mean they've always been rumored to get a B&M invert like the other smaller CF parks (World's of Fun, Dorney Park), and this would fit the bill.
They don’t have a traditional inverted coaster but they do have Steel Venom. They deserve something better than a hand-me-down coaster after not receiving anything good for 16 years.
Instead move flight deck to canada’s wonderland
@@AmericasCoasterNetwork I agree that VF deserves a proper new coaster, however this is Cedar Fair we're talking about, and a hand-me-down from CGA would be better than nothing. It's one of the most neglected parks in the chain for coaster additions, so even a hand-me-down B&M invert would be a good addition.
Admittedly this is looking like that could happen with what World's of Fun is getting this year and the very possible 2024/2025 B&M dive for Dorney (unless that has changed), so maybe ValleyFair! might get a new coaster.
Also SFGAM, Dorney, and Cedar Point at some point had both a Steel Venom type ride and a B&M invert at the same time, so it doesn't rule out this possibility either.
What data do you have at all to verify which coasters do or do not have "low ridership"?
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What about dominator at geauga lake now kings dominion.
It opened in 2000. Just missing our cutoff for this list. That is, we only spoke about coasters from 1999 and older. With that said, even if Dominator was listed, it would be on the "no risk" tier. It's one of the best Floorless coasters we've been on. Coming in at #2 after Kraken.
Vortex at Carowinds, I want this hunk of junk gone so badly. It's honestly a huge blemish on the park, alongside Hurler, and Nighthawk. Vortex needs to go badly.
it would be a good place for a rmc single rail
My bets would be on Vortex, Flight Deck or Patriot
Easily 1 and 2 inverts is crazy
Where do you them? And what are your top 2?
My gut feeling is that either Kumba or Vortex will be the next to bite it. Unlike most coasters on this list, Kumba has been operating year-round for thirty years, so it likely has the most wear and tear of any B&M still operating, and with the lowest ridership among BGT's major coasters, I doubt they'd invest in a major refurbishment over something new. As for Vortex, supposedly Carowinds declined to convert the coaster to floorless when offered the opportunity, which makes me think they're waiting until Nighthawk is no longer worth keeping to remove both together for a major new ride.
As for the others you consider at risk...
Firebird: Not likely to go anywhere unless it becomes impossible to maintain.
Flight Deck & Patriot: I expect these to live as long as the park does, but to not be relocated when the park closes.
Georgia Scorcher: No chance of closing. This would be converted to floorless if anything.
Green Lantern: While the most likely Six Flags B&M to be removed, I consider it less likely than Kumba or Vortex as it actually does get decent ridership.
Rougarou: I agree that this ride's time at Cedar Point is limited, but I see it getting relocated rather than going defunct (it would be a wonderful gift to Valleyfair, Worlds of Fun, or even Canada's Wonderland).
I love how you don't mention Michigan's Adventure when suggesting locations for Rougarou! 😂
I did consider that possibility, but figured the proximity to Cedar Point would likely be too close as many Michiganders are probably familiar with the ride.
I think Scorcher is more favored than Riddlers Revenge at SFMM by thoosies since it is considered the best stand up coaster created. It’s not that tall, very compact, and is smooth like butter with no headbanging.
Georgia Scorcher is great. But Riddler has one of the best layouts of any B&M coaster. Still runs smooth and the headbanging isn't bad if you keep it forward. At least not an issue with me. I'm 6'2. Georgia Scorcher also looses points for how horrendous the operations are (along with the entire park).
@@AmericasCoasterNetwork SFOG’s operations has been improving a lot in which I have heard recently, so I don’t think it’s bad as it was 3 years for example.
That's great to hear. It was brutal when we visited for the first/most recent time in 2021! On Scorcher there was apparently vomit they had to clean up. But didn't look like any. It took many people and an absurd amount of time to "clean" it. And then, instead of cycling that train empty to dry while loading the second train, they kept the entire thing closed for a while. Running both trains empty.
The only way Green Lantern can be saved is if they relocate it to another park and convert it to a floorless coaster.
Agreed. The question is: Which park would have the need, space, and want? That, we can't think of. Unless it's out of the country somewhere.
@@AmericasCoasterNetwork SFDL could use a B&M coaster
Floorless conversions are usually worse than the stand up original firebird and rougaru is rough
@staringcorgi6475 I've ridden both mantis and rougaru and both beat me up, but if B&M made vest restraints for their floorless models, it could be a big improvement for those conversions.
Maybe kumba will be relocated at Disney’s animal kingdom
That would be something!
Personally, I would say Rougaru needs to go first. Even if it's only because it's at my home park, and I hate it.
Exactly it’s sooo rough and the layout isn’t that exciting
Plus they could put a coaster so much better in its place
@@blainebasil6577 actually, the layout isn't bad. It's the roughness. It was getting too bad to be a stand up anymore, and those floorless trains with the old style restraints do NOT help. If it had vest restraints, it MIGHT be bearable. It should go, and that would open up a LOT of room for a great coaster. Maybe something like a Mack extreme spinner. Maybe finally get a second one in the US. More importantly, one that I don't have to drive for TWELVE HOURS to get to. No, not an extreme spinner. That needs to go to Kings Island, in the Vortex plot.
@@Spike-sk7ql fair enough a extreme spinner would be awesome in the vortex plot if you wanna go to kings or cedar point together with me let me know
@@blainebasil6577 I'm usually at one or the other, every weekend. I'm at KI right now, going to CP next weekend, and then probably CP again, then coasterstock at KI (which is an awesome event if you've never been)
I think cedar point needs to scrap raptor or retract it, it’s very rough
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raptor CP none of universal's Montu and kumba will not
Raging Bull .
six flags isn't going to remove anything.....
They've removed entire theme parks!
@@AmericasCoasterNetwork That's because they bit off more than they can chew. I'm just saying, since they are the "discount" chain, it would take a lot for them to remove a functioning coaster...especially a B&M, that to my knowledge, doesn't give them much of an issue, unlike the Chiller did. Personally I'd rather see Vortex at Carowinds go and open up space for a new coaster, especially since Nighthawk (and Batwing for that matter) are on life support.
Hopefully they will remove pipeline and Orion next...
not orion why would u want b&m giga gone?
@@CamzGamin you mean hyper?
Orion is definitely not a giga
287ft is NOT 300ft last time I checked 🤷♀️
But I do agree about not removing it…not until I finally get to ride it anyways lol
Orion is 100% a Giga. it's trian drops over 300ft. It may be the cool thing for Coaster Hipsters to bash online, but it's literally virtually identical to Fury 325. Sorry, not sorry.
@@thecoasterbear are you the roller coaster classification police? Geez!!
I’m not being “cool” I’m being factual
How can you compare Orion to Fury 325?
Their track layout may be similar BUT their drops are definitely not.
Fury 325 is a true giga
Orion is 287 ft tall…with the elevation of the land the lift hill was built on puts it at 300 or so …okay, why don’t they just advertise it as 300 ft then?🤷♀️
You can’t be a park owner and say your coaster is 287 ft tall and classify it as a giga. 🤦♀️
I’m Not bashing this coaster at. But I am stating the obvious.
With elevation it’s 300 ft and therefore is a giga…then CF should say it’s 300ft and until they do I will refer to it as a hyper. Have a good day 😁✌️
dueling dragons was so fun. please dont take the raptor its such a good ride still.
This will not happen. You have 0 to worry about it this regard. 😊