Why ALL Karate Styles Are FAKE
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2020
- Everybody wants to know what the best Karate style is.
But Karate styles didn’t exist in ancient Okinawa. They were invented for political reasons to modernize the art in Japan. This obscured its Chinese history and evolution.
Famous grandmasters like Funakoshi Gichin, Miyagi Chojun and Mabuni Kenwa didn’t approve the idea of ”styles”. I’ve included their quotes in the video. Yet, they founded Shotokan, Goju Ryu and Shito Ryu. Why? Because they were forced to.
You see, Karate was originally called Toudi (唐手) lit. “Chinese Hand”. That’s because Kung Fu styles like White Crane and Incense Shop Boxing (Southern Shaolin Monk Fist) influenced its origins.
The Japanese overlords didn’t like this historical connection. So they created new labels for the art: Shuri-te, Tomari-te and Naha-te. These categories were invented for a martial arts demonstration in honor of Jigoro Kano - the founder of Judo. He visited the birthplace of Karate in 1927.
As you can see, there is no such thing as a traditional Karate style. They’re ALL made up for political reasons. This means you can stop worrying about artificial labels and start caring about what truly matters.
Substance over style!
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What’s your favorite Karate style? 🤔🥋👊
Shotokan!
Kyokushin
Seto ryu
@@jackiemoss644 Yup
Shotokan, I had the honor to train with Jean Claude van Damme 🙏
So... does that mean..... EVERYBODY IS KUNG FU FIGHTING ~~~
If their kicks are fast as lightning, yes.
That's uh....A Little Bit Frightening!!
And YOU have "Expert Timing!"
Great comment!!!
Oh.oh.ohhhh.oh.oh.ohhhh
Those were the days.
When I started learning Kyokushin back I used to think that Kyokushin, Shotokan and Goju Ryu were the only ones I would ever spend time researching and learning. But now I believe that learning Karate as a whole is what we should do. Never limit to a style, rather study movements and apply them as necessary. But I agree with the Kyokushin way of real hard training. I don't like that a lot of Karate dojos have a very soft aproach to training.
Sensei Teruo Chinen emphasized sparring more than other goju sensei. It's one of the reasons he was so controversial. People who didn't like training hard didn't like his ways of training.
Uechi-ryu also has hard training.
Saya setuju dengan pendapat anda sensei..namun menurut saya seseorang berlatih karate..mempunyai tujuan yg berbeda-beda..untuk beladiri,tournament atau hanya untuk menjaga kesehatan..latihan yg keras disertai penempahan seperti yg anda maksud itu sangat cocok untuk pertahanan diri sendiri
Jadi..berlatihlah karate sesuai dengan apa yg menjadi selera dan tujuanmu..osh
you're right. unless one is a traditionalist. my personal approach has been to know the tradition but also be flexible to apply other methods as the situation may require.
I've been developing: the blind walking swan fist, and have won every fight so far, If I experience defeat; I will b forced to unveil my strongest fist technique of Al.
“Adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own” -Bruce Lee
Would it be : "Embrace rather than Adapt ?"
@@CBHDK59 arent you a genius?
@@CBHDK59 everyone has some kind of skill unique to them. Find a way to Incorporate that skill into your fighting.
He learned that from Ip Man and Wong Sheun Leung.
That was Bruce Lee's philosophy, a style limits one's self. There should be no limits, embrace all! Bruce Lee was right!
There is a big yes to this, and a big NO!
I have trained a bit in a few martial arts, and for a few years in Wing Tsun (debate the spelling as you wish) Bruce Lee's first art. First, Bruce Lee did not finish all of the art, so much of his criticism may have been diminished had he continued. One of the central ideas I have been taught is that if you continue learning, you will be able to free yourself from the techniques of the art and follow principles. Techniques must be taught first to show principles and train, but the idea should be to get past them. I will not claim to be there.
Second, think of Bruce Lee's quote about being like water, and apply it to your training. He said to be like water, and when water is in a cup, it becomes a cup. When in a karate school, be a karate student. When in a Kung fu school, be a Kung fu student. When in a BJJ school, be a a BJJ student.
And, even when teaching, always be a student.
Finally, your art, is your art. If you have studied an art for years under one teacher, sensei, sifu, etc., you will no doubt be trying to copy their art to some extent. But, you will never be them. In the end, you must and will only be able to do your art. No one else's.
@Jonathon Wayne Thanks, I kind of felt like I was arguing both sides. Glad someone got it.
The only thing I know is let's do it ,kick punch ,jump and everybody was kunfu fighting 🤣🤣🤣
@@danmc7815 thank you i needed that last part
@@danmc7815
Well said, but I might add a different message about be like water.
While I do not disagree with what you are saying relating to be like water, the actual meaning is not being used .
Allow me to elaborate, which you may already know this, but some may not.
Be like water ~
Water is a solid state, always in motion, filled with energy.
To relate, we are energy, a solid state, always in motion.
Energy can still be in motion, and is in motion, even in a solid state.
Oceans make waves, but in the water, there is still motion, rip tides.
Yet, it is a solid state.
The waves appear because the energy within the water is being focused to a point.
Breaking point. Focal point.
Your energy is confined to your body.
One is a soul, made of pure energy.
The cup is your body.
The water is your energy/essence/soul/You.
Be like water my friend.
Use your energy, yourself, to make your body do whatever you want it to do, whenever you want.
Once one gets the spiritual enlightenment to understand how we truly operate...(..we can talk without saying a word.
I teach people how to do that.
How to absorb the thoughts and sight of a person far away. )...then one can truly be at one with their surroundings.
Other than that, well said sir.
Know GOD ~ Know Truth
Know GOD ~ No Fear
Peace & Love to All
I'm 62 years old and just recently earned 1st Dan blackbelt in kyokushin after 5 hard years of training. One thing i know is, when you encounter a confrontation on the streets, style is the last thing that matters. What matters is your ability to flip the switch and go from 0 to 100 in a second and go hard and fast to end the threat as quickly as possible for your own survival.
@@sullyb23511 Take boxing, and wrestling or jiu jitsu if you just want to know how to fight. And spar with everyone, every style.
You just inspired me MR 62 year old ,I have no excuse now
What about Taekwondo with it's spins, turnbacks, and mostly aerial style of fighting is that a sort of upgrade to Karate
Wow, very impressive, congrats
I mostly trained for my health. Had a really nice teacher that set a fine example for us. Sad to say he's retired and last time I went by the school to visit him wasn't given a warm welcome. Everyone is there for a different reason.
When I trained Shotokan, we once asked our Sensei what he thought about other Karate styles. He said that he pretty much thought 'styles' were bunk. He had been in this seminar where practicers of different Karate styles got together, idea was to compare and discuss about the techniques across the schools. But the differences were mostly like "Oh in your style you have a back foot in a slightly different angle in this stance". Supposed technical differences were much less important than individual ones due to different body build etc.
He explained to us that most martial arts 'styles' have arisen from personal disputes. Some student starts to think his master is an asshole, leaves the school and wants to branch out but doesn't want to be associated with the name of his master he no longer likes. So he comes up with a 'new' style made to 'fix' supposed 'shortcomings' in the old style, gives it a new fancy name and maybe makes some nominal changes to the techniques so they don't completely appear carbon copied from his previous school, voilá, we have a new martial arts style.
Bruce Lee?
Lived in Okinawa for 7 years (1989-1996)..and I can attest that karate is taken very seriously there. There’s no way anybody can perpetrate there.
You, sir, are one of the few martial arts channels on RUclips that tells the truth about your art, and not promote your own ego. Well done, and keep up the good work.
Jesse enkamp is a karate guy also.
I’m in a cobra Kai group on Facebook and some guy was going on about tournaments and black belts etc. And I posted the short clip from karate kid where Miyagi talked about karate being of the heart and mind and not about what belt you had. And he laughed at that and claimed I knew nothing… and although I’ve never practiced, I’ve read a lot about it’s history and of the history of many of martial arts going back thousands of years, which is what the writer of the karate kid movies wanted to explore in the third film, tracing the history of it and the philosophy of it which Kaman knows intimately. He described some of the scenes he envisioned in it as being like what audiences later saw in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. But the studio just wanted a remake of the first film basically.
that's why i love to watch his video he not promoting his own
The 'chinese hand' in kanji was actually pronounced kara(Tang dynasty) + te(hand). Karate, now translated 'empty hand', meant 'chinese hans' or 'chinese martial art' back in the days. They kept the pronounciation but changed the Kanji for 'kara' part.
Whoa, that's very interesting.
No different with shorinji kenpo
i think "toodi" is how you'd read it in Okinawan and "karate" in Japanese.
"Man is constantly growing. Yet when he is bound by a set pattern of ideas, or 'Way' of doing things, that’s when he stops growing." --Bruce Lee
yet jkd foundation is wingchun a way
@@NaihanchinKempo Yeah..it's a bit ironic. Isn't it? Wado, Judo, Aikido, Kendo, Tang Soo Do, and even Jeet Kune Do each have "Do" which means "Way."
@@NaihanchinKempo
Jeet Kune Do is not a fighting style, but a state of mind.
Bruce Lee is way above peoples heads.
I studied Bruce Lee .
I was trained in boxing, then karate, then by a Viet Nam Navy Seal. (Starting at age 3)
Its being able to adapt any style for any situation.
Fighting is up close & personal, so knowing which move to do at what time is crucial.
Thats why Jeet Kune Do is a variation of many styles, but yet not a style itself.
I have explained Bruce Lee to a guy who (supposedly) wrote the books on Bruce Lee.
He changed his teaching after that.
✌N ❤
“Everything that works is Karate” - Tetsuhiko Asai
This was in response to a second dan at a seminar complaining that, whilst effective, what were being taught was “not really karate”
Man, I applaud you for this, and your other educational videos. I remember when i took karate classes as a kid and we were asked at every demonstration to name the birth place of karate. Korea, Japan, China were the choices. We were never corrected if we said the wrong answer, as they were trying to teach a lesson of unity, but watching this video explained so much, and it means so much. Great job!
India Buddhist monk
Well done for me ihave i havel found in wing chun what i have found is sil lum tao in all sytems and minor varitions in other forms finishing at the same time.
having studied martial arts for years (not so seriously though) I have tons of respect for all styles as long as you don't study Bull Shi-to
Problem is you can take the gamble and find out years later whether that's what you learned or take that long on research before getting started.
Buru Shi-to*
@@jasonlisonbee o
Thats what an uncle called 'bushido'.....bullshito
And not attending mcdojos
The only true karate master is Master Ken. Look him up on RUclips. He's amazing.
And remember, always re-stomp the groin.
@@Shadowrulzalways woooosh
If I ever lost to someone and they "restomped", I'd just shoot them 😆
😏😎
Wait,Ameridote is not real?? Who would have guessed!
Seriously tho,from what I heard he does some real martial art outside of his master ken persona
And .... A STOMP TO THE GROIN
@@xune2316 OOOOOSSSSSSE!!
All Karate style from different schools reminds me of Ranton who learn Kung Fu by joining Shaolin. He's always said if you ask the same question to two teachers you'll get two completely different Answers.
One day the camera will turn around and show a class of bored students waiting to begin.
"I not believe in styles,
Styles separates men"
~ BRUCE LEE
@@Johnkeav jeet kune do has no styles, if u know that.
@@Johnkeav Jeet Kune Do is more a philosophy, not necessarily a style.
@@Gieszkanne yes but it is essentially about building yourself into a weapon with techniques as parts. Take what is useful, discard the rest. Therefore, people who learn jkd may not fight anything like each other.
I don't think he meant it to be a style, but more his way of all the things he learned, and his way of training. As regards Karate, here again it's more about training methods rather than the moves. I think Okinawan training methods and Kyokoshinkai stand out in this respect because they teach their students the limits of their own endurance and condition their bodies to accept punishment. In the same way a professional fighter does.
Yeeeeaaaah
Same thing happened to the Taekwondo, Koreans try to hide that Taekwondo is actually Korean version of Karate.
You’re right
You can find old TKD books that show their kata as Heian No. 1, etc ....
Basic Kata for Taekwondo was named Taegeuk
And a lot of Gung - Fu / Kung Fu practitioners try to hide that the origin of Shaolin is Indian.
@@jasonlisonbee E? So kung fu was from India? Wow, martial arts traveled far and wide back then..😅
I've trained Shotokan for about 40 years, at times under Mikami Sensei, Okazaki Sensei and twice under Nakayama Sensei (I was really fortunate) and a lot of American 6th-7th Dans. I clicked this video fully intending to see a bashing of the different styles. Thanks for a very informative video!
OH MY GAWD
This was fascinating, especially when considering the other video you made on differences between Japanese and Okinawan Karate. These videos together gave me a much better understanding of the regional, political, and social forces that have shaped modern Karate. Honestly I had not considered any of these issues before, but this has certainly piqued my interest. Thank you very much for this. 👍
Hah, Bruce Lee was right.
The "Man" is more important than styles, self expressing to one's maximum limits.
It is always the man or woman, not the style. But also the training. Practicing forms does very little for fighting. You have to fight to learn how to fight.
speed defines the winner
@@Sharkman19D
How so ?
I'm very curious as to why you feel this way.
No hate, I'm just very curious.
Thanks
@@Sharkman19D
Fair enough.
I have studied Bruce.
I can say that he knew more than just fighting.
I have taught a guy who supposedly wrote the books on & about Bruce Lee, about what Bruce was actually talking about.
He now teaches his students what I taught him.
Theres more than meets the eye with Bruce, but I totally understand where you are coming from though.
Thanks for the reply.
✌N ❤
@@Sharkman19D
Although, Bruce did start learning at a young age.
His parents thought schooling was more important and his teacher moved to America.
His dad knew martial arts also, didn't focus on it, but on his acting career.
Like I said, theres more to Bruce than meets the eye.
✌N ❤
"And that's why you should never let your style limit your karate because we're all one."
1000% TRUE!!
styles and teacher are limited to the knowledge of the teacher , they may not have been taught much before they opened their own dojo
Great history lesson!
Yup
Hi I am a fan
Yes. All facts.
It's actually good that we have a Karate teacher that knows his history and sticks to the old traditions. Keep up the good work!
Wow. I studied Okinawan karate (Uechi Ryu) as a kid. I'm old, so the founder's son was still alive and Grandmaster at the time. My best friend even went to Okinawa to further his studies. Still, I never heard any of this history. Amazing stuff.
Just as Toyama Sensei said, there are no styles, just different interpretations of Okinawan Karate. Shudokan was known as the name of his dojo. Thanks for the video.
I’m in the comments looking for that guy that puts the Mike Tyson quote, “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth” under any martial arts related video.
And he right above u 😂😂😂😂😂
😆 I just read it & laughed.
That guy is you
Every puncher has a plan until the AIDS-infected blood from the person he socked in the mouth splashes on his face and gets in the scuffs on his knuckles.
Just found this page and im already hooked on the historical part of his videos. Great job and thank you for helping many people see that martial arts is not just about being a good fighter and so much more about self.
What a wonderful brief history of the development of styles.....Thank you for sharing.
I learned more about the history of Karate from your video than most books.
Maybe, Karate can now move forward and become what it was meant from the beginning: a survival tool for people to lift their spirits and give them hope that progress comes from trying to make something happen by daring to try ideas through Karate.
If you can try ideas in Karate, maybe, you can try ideas elsewhere in life, jobs, or school.
Karate might enhance a person's perception of something beyond the boring everyday life.
Don't be afraid to try ideas because Karate is also an Art.
Creation is part of the Karate ethos.
Keep trying and keep fighting to discover ideas.
As a direct disciple of Senseï Taiji Kase, who started by Judo in his father’s dojo at the age of 5, then discovered Funakoshi’s “ Karate-do Kyohan” book and started Shotokan at the age of 15. In the 70s, where I got my 1stDAN under his supervision, we asked him about the difference between Martial Arts, and his response was precise and accurate= All Martial Arts are equal, it depends of the practitioner which path he’s gonna follow to reach the top of the mountain! I think that can also apply to styles nowadays, where there is in reality only ONE KARATÉ: Empty Hand, or Karate-do : karate a way of life! Nice video. Thank you for sharing!🤜
Seiki Toma of Okinawa told me this during a visit to his house in 2002. It's fantastic that you have done the research and produced this video. Thank you Sir!
This video makes me so happy! Having trained in a few different styles over the years, I’ve always felt a little “homeless”. In regards to style. Reading Funakoshi Sensei’s book “Karate-do my way of life” made me feel better. And this video really makes me feel like I can be a student of “Karate” in the big picture sense! Thank you Jesse Sensei!!
I am surprised. The title threw me, but your explanation was nicely researched and made sense. Thank you for this actual work of intellectual art.
That was super interesting, thanks for the history lesson.
IP Man: "It's not about style. It's about you."
7:47
"...We are all One."
I needed that message Sir. Thanks reminding me/the audience. It resonates with my circumstances I found value & inspiration from the video.
How could you post something so controversal and yet so true!
That’s literally my job description 🤪
@@KARATEbyJesse 🙏🙏
Very cool--finally, it all actually makes sense to me! You see, I was always interested in all "styles", I've always been open to learn all good methods & techniques😊
Interesting! Tyvm love learning kool things like this.
Jesse I do Taekwondo and love all styles of Martial Arts. Your videos are great for Martial Arts students. Thanks for your dedicated work and efforts you do to transfer this art.
Excellent video! The effectiveness of any martial art begins at fundamental understanding of attack and defense. Worrying about style is like when a band spends more time coming up with a name than practicing.
14 years Taekwondo experience here. I’ve never seen Kata, but I now realize that many of our movements and techniques were inherited from Karate. Neat fact to learn and great video
Taekwondo, like karate, has its origins from China. Therefore, one would expect more similarities than differences.
@@rogerfaint499 taekkyeon and subak are Korean and still building blocks for the style,but most martial arts come from China.
Just discovered your channel and I absolutely love your content my friend! I share a lot of the same opinions regarding the artificially imposed limitations of style, and that, unfortunately, our wonderful style of karate is suffering from a self-imposed stagnation, due to true lack of self awareness. I've been a Shotokan practitioner since the age of 5, and have also trained in several other styles, including both Chinese and Western, and have, over the years, developed me own style, which is the point of martial arts, in my opinion. Even if we practice together every day for our entire lives, we will have different styles, and that's how it should be! Keep up the great content!
My teacher, an exceptional lady from Puerto Rico, always explained to us that Kempo (Kenyu Kempo Ryu) differences were in the philosophy of the founder or teachers, rather than the style itself. She told us that Kempo was an eclectic art and a prototype so it always has room to adapt new techniques and exercises.
Although she never like “freestyles” because those styles lack on continuity, ethics and almost never really teach history or philosophy.
Thanks!!
Hi from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
Well said brother of the Arts.
The idea of practitioners from different locations getting together in the park on a regular basis, as mentioned in the video, is something I wish would happen again. There are advanced practitioners all over who don't have a school to train in who would greatly benefit from this sort of activity and new students who could get a taste for different methods. I have a reoccurring dream of a martial art golden age where people train at different schools - where the exploration of technique is more important than style. I see that some of you are already doing this.
Love this video. Thank you for posting this fascinating history lesson Jesse!
I haven't tried any martial art yet but I'm loving your channel.... great videos! so much to learn
I mainly differenciate Karate for the way the dojo trains, for example, a "Shotokan" style of karate trains way differently from a Kyokushin style of karate, and that's how mainly it began; master of a dojo had a different style of training from a master of other dojo
Fantastic! I love these history perspectives!
That was an excellent video. Ty for your education.
I've been training in Goju Ryu for 40 years. I completely agree with you and thank you for this outstanding video learning experience. All your videos are excellent!
Subtitula lo que falta , vas a tener más vistas. A la gente de Latinoamérica le interesa estos temas
Apoyo la moción con toda violencia, dijo el homero
First minute of the video says it all. My first karate teacher had told me all this when i first started,
as he is very grounded in the research and history of most traditional Karate and is actually ex military and a police officer.
I learned Yoshukai Karate, derived from Yoshukan, which was another branch off of Okinawan self defense made by farmers.
Great video!!! Nice history, interesting content, and great takeaway message! Learned so much in just a short time. Love your stuff, keep it up!
I’m so glad I stumbled upon this super interesting video. It’s rekindled my old interest in Katate (Which I lost two years ago with the COVID pandemic).
Anytime someone asks my karate style I simply say “a collection of various Naha Te, Shuri Te and Tomari Te methods” 😄
Stop it! #FakeNews 🤪
😂
@@KARATEbyJesse 🤣
Style is a personality tbh. People need to focus on foundations and fundamentals. Oss ty for this sir!
Going back to watch some of your older content is great. I especially like the message, "we all have more in common that most people realize" as this is something I often echo in multiple contexts.
Thank you!!
Another great video. Thank you!
Jesse-san, when you was expressing those quotes from Karate grandmasters, there's one more from Masutatsu Oyama (Kyokushinkai Karate) which say: "The Karate is one, and it cannot be divided. Independently of the way to be shown, this don't vary, and must be respected like something unique".
Lovely!! Thanks for sharing 👍
But didn't Oyama call Kyokusinkai "the strongest karate"?
And yet he founded a style whose translation means "the ultimate truth..." 😒
@@DJAraRealSalsa Yes, but after years he developed and founded his style, started to get in reason, and made this quote...
And oyama karate is The strongest style btw
Chinese Connection. Hmmm, sounds like it could be a good movie.
Thank you, Jesse! 👍
Very informative! 👊
Great video! Less over editing and more than anything very informative and illuminating!
Very intresting :) have myself first started with wingchun gongfu but then went over and have done Muaythai for the past 20 years and somthing i always find is that its never about the style or the type of martial art someone practice. Its always about the person that do it . As mentioned already we all have just 2 arms and 2 legs :)
Thank Jesse for the debunking "styles" 🙌 God is good
That was awesome, you clarified some questions i had built up over the years about Karate and the different styles, thank you
Great video! Thank you so much!
I agree with you. My "style" Wado Ki Kai loosely translates to learn from all things. It has direct lineage to Kyokushin, Goju Ryu and Shotokan and also included Judo and Jujitsu. You shouldn't limit yourself to a "style" or "label". I personally started with boxing in my teens before starting Karate and even tried MMA for a few years with Muay Thai and no Gi BJJ. Also trained in TKD earning a black belt and Aikido for a while. Karate is my main art but not only, I consider myself a martial artist not limited to a "style" or "label". Currently train and teach Karate and also train in Jiu-jitsu. Ultimately Karate is about the perfection of character a life long journey and way of life.
I practice the Isshinryu Karate style founded by Tatsuo Shimabuku. Tatsuo had many mentors including Myagi. A fair big of the katas are actually from Myagi himself.
Edit:
That kata that was demonstrated looked like kusanku or similar at least. I think it really is fascinating seeing how the same fighting techniques changed as they were passed down.
This is only the 2nd video I've seen, and it's all so very interesting!!! Already subscribed 😊
A wonderful video. Thank you!
The biggest difference in the 3 styles I’ve done Taekwondo , shotokon , Olympic Taekwondo , is simply the teacher and their interpretation of the previous “styles”.
Then you did not understand the difference
Vídeo incrível, didático, e que deixa envergonhado aqueles que dizem: - Meu Karatê é puro! ou: Meu estilo é melhor !
Recently your channel has become known to me, and this channel is amazing! Your in-depth explanation opened my eyes to the reality of Karate, and I understand why your art of handling 'Inner Force/Ki' is naturally seen, whereas many modern martial artists position themselves distant from this ancient but practical concept.
Thank you 🙏
@@KARATEbyJesse Thank you, Sensei.
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. 🙏🏼
This is very similar to how arts were divided and named in Korea. Tae Kwan Do vs. Tang Soo Do and such. Interesting indeed.
What's really interesting is that almost all the Korean masters were students that studied in Japan. They all were in karate clubs in university. When they returned to korea after the end of Japan's occupation they got together to organize. The first forms used in tae kwon do and tang soo do were shoto kan forms. Tang soo do separated and tae kwon do developed new forms. They don't talk much about that, they even changed the uniforms so as not to look like karate. As much as Korean hate to bring this up touting it as original Korean martial art its actual origins are from Japan.
Ellis Duncan hwarang do and Hapkido came later as well taekkyon is considered the original Korean martial art writings tracing back as early as 1800s believe even further back but similar to Muay Thai don’t know exactly when was developed
The Japanese imperialists did more than name these 'styles': "Karate-do", as you point out, was originally "The Way of the T'ang Hand" (唐手道), and they changed it to "The Way of the Empty (or air) Hand" (空手道), which is still pronounced 'karate-do'. Incidentally, the Korean style 당수도 in Chinese characters is 唐手道. So, styles. I took up karate when I was in Peace Corps in Korea, in the southwest region of the peninsula, south of the the city of Gwangju. What the local gym taught they called 무덕관. Later I moved up to the city of Suwon, where I studied 청도관, and continued that style later when I moved back to the States. Then I moved to Minneapolis where I enjoyed (because it was fairly different) learning 송무관, a northern style. Now, speaking of politics - Koreans weren't allowed to practice martial arts during the Japanese Occupation, 1905 - 1945, and all that stayed around was an old indigenous style, Taekkyon (nobody is sure how it's spelled in English or Korean). However, clearly some athletes studied martial arts in Japan (kendo remains popular among the upper classes), came back and after liberation developed their styles. Were there martial arts before 1945 or so? Must've been, but the whole array of taekwondo styles sure look like the rest of karate. However, in Korea, one could argue that if there were indeed distinct different styles, it would be geography as much as politics that led to that. Korea has a range of mountains running down the middle, and a 100 or so years ago these were challenging to cross, with some pretty impressive predators living in them -- the Korean tiger is the largest of the tigers, not to mention wolves and bears. Added to that, different regions of Korea, based on the old kingdoms, did not and to some degree still do not get along very well. So, there's an argument for regional styles. As for unification of the styles into taekwondo, I heard that President/dictator Syngman Rhee mandated that. Japan had judo accepted as an Olympic event. Well, Korea couldn't let that stand, so politicians decided Korea needed a national martial art, and taekwondo was it. The regional styles were told to play nice together, and that's how taekwondo developed - to my limited understanding.
Ok, tkd is a mixture of taekyon and karate.and what about hwa rang do, si Pal lo and Moon su do a temple Styles?
@@alexyatsyuk70 I suppose all martial arts have some commonalities, but when I was first studying 무덕관, taekyon was almost unknown. There were two very old men who claimed to know it, but the martial arts teachers I knew regarded them as street hooligans, and their style didn't look much like TKD. Hwarang Do is a semi-mythical style from Silla, and I don't know if it was accurately recorded and passed down (although I've seen martial arts books that claim this). The other styles you mention, "si Pal lo and Moon su do a temple Styles" are completely unfamiliar to me. I can't claim to know all Korean martial arts styles, though. If you could write those in Korean alphabet I could look into them.
Honestly I’m new to karate I never have done it and I’m thinking about I’ve played games for at least 4 years and now I feel I have lost connection to my life I want to take this for strength and nature but also self defense I want to become strong but smart in the way of karate I have mad respect for you
Tape in Sun mu do in RUclips
This is monks Styles in Korea
Wow. I had no idea. Love your your history videos.
thank you for this great video!
The history of these "styles" always puzzled me. I understand the vast number of Chinese styles due to their much longer history spread over a vast amount of territory. The number of Karate styles however never made sense by comparison. The amount of supposedly different schools of Karate in such a relatively short amount of time , and in such a small geographical area always seemed strange. Thank you for clearing so much of this up. Good health and training in the upcoming year!
"Unless there is someone with more than two arms and two legs, there is only one style: the human style"
@@Johnkeav Yeah, But Aikido is a Grappling art? Look at Karate/Taekwondo/Muay Thai's Headkicks they all look the same
Look at Boxing/Muay Thai/Kickboxing's Punches they also look the same
How many joints do we have? How many Limps do we have? We only have 2 arm, 2 legs, 2 elbows, 2 knees and we can only use them in certain ways
Look at Karate's elbows and knees and compare that to Muay Thai
@@Johnkeav as everything in life, fighting has to evolve and it does so according to context and necessity, among other factors, so you cannot compare martial arts from whole different points in history, contexts, backgrounds etc and want them to be exactly the same, but still you can see similarities.
Still, there are people who prefer using kicks, grappling or take advantage of his unique large or small frame.
People still fight differently. I guess you can call them "styles".
@@martinkuliza yes, you're totally correct.
I enjoyed your videos. thanks for making it.
Wow, what a great educational video - brilliant work!
Thank you!
Very helpful information. I learned karate from different Japanese masters from different karate styles. I found out that the styles claimed techniques that were also present in other schools/styles. Well, in the end it does not matter, as no style is "best". Your karate is only as good as your training ;-)
I love this. I always hated the idea of being stuck to one particular style in my own karate training. I loved boxing, muaythai, kali, sanda etc. And still do. I learned and took lessons from them whenever I could. We are all martial artists, not religious nuts.
Awesome video! Thanks!!
Sensei-I am a 4th degree in Seido Karate, a style similar to Kyukushin. Ive always been interested in the roots of Karate & yr videos are great. Plesse keep them coming, as u have a plethora of fans in NYC.
Sensei Eric
NYC
"We are all one people, but we live as if divided." I love the level of insight you can impart, to someone who might not want to listen, you could seem exclusionary. But if we're willing to learn, it's the opposite
Jesse do you feel that they weren't styles as such but more like 'Clans' or Schools like now there are different 'MMA' teams but the concept of MMA stays the same.
Sure different clans or teams use different methods but essentially punching and kicking is punching and kicking. Defence is defence. 🙏🏻👊🏻
@@Shevock While what you say is true, you have completely failed to address the point. I'm not sure if you missed it, or just wanted to clarify, but your comment in no way addresses the point.
Which is a shame. The OP made a very good metaphor.
@@Altonahk 🙏🏻👊🏻
That's pretty much what I've gathered from what I've learned over the years. BTW, Karate has a LOT of stand-up grappling and throwing in it, just that, with the relatively recent focus on Kata over fighting, most of it has disappeared from modern practice. Watch old films of matches from the '40s and it actually looks a lot like modern MMA, though, usually, without the ground fighting.
@@varanid9 absolutely Karate is a complete martial art, as you say it's how some people practice it Vs others! But it's like a voice, everybody's voice is different 🙏🏻
I'm a huge fan of Kyokushin and Judd Reid but also love the power Jesse has with his composure in Kata and how him plus many others bring the Kata to life, less like a rehearsed combination of moves and much more like a battle sequence. A warriors dance if you will.
Yes a punch is a punch and a kick is a kick in any style. But it's good to know when to avoid one or know if some one is preparing to deliver one or the other. Also what to do about not being hurt by either of them.
Super interesting video Jesse, thank you
Very enlightening. Thanks!
It's interesting that these "styles", however similar, all evolved into distinct systems but when you watch the elite competitors during kumite, they pretty much all look the same again.
Thank you very much, Jesse. Now I understand that practicing karate is more important than practicing one style or the other. Greetings from Brazil!
Jesse, please keep up what your doing. It's awesome.
osu sensei , love your work , very nicely explained
Wow. That's an eye opener. All karate styles are really one style and the different variety is the natural permutations of an individual's interpretation. I notice that all the advance karate masters or grandmaster's movement become circular and less rigid. I guess their hard style becomes soft when they realized that circular movements, like in Aikido, are much more effective than just pure muscle, especially when they take on a bigger opponent.
I do Kyokushin, having 2.Dan. I have been to other dojos. My heartbeat hardly rose and I did not get sweat. One place they called it "sport karate." They had low morals and trained to fight in the streets. So yes, there are differences between styles. For those who wants to start training karate, find a well known worldwide style, not something invented by a local "hero" who thinks he knows martial arts. And Jesse, I love your channel. Probably the best karate channel on youtube.
Your videos are very interesting and educational. And it makes a lot of sense. Thank you for your research and presentation of that.