Whatever flaws you may see in our education system, it’s clearly brought us something, many of us who are happy realize its importance, and I’m glad we educated people in our country without this torturous exam.
It's not about the duration you donut. It's about the absolute appalling competition and the fact that they have to basically play russian roulette with their universities.
That sounds beyond cruel. Also because ppl keep commenting. I am from India, i have given competitive exams and I understand the stressful environment. But i still feel that this system is pretty unnecessarily harsh.
@@atharvamankar5118har jagah jake ye randirona mt kra kro yaar, unka exam jyada tough h maan lo. acceptance rate km h fir uni ka preference ego bhi h.
You guys don't understand the difference The level of study you'll have to do is quite similar but the acceptance rate is different coz more people give gao kao becoz in India if you want medical field you have NEET if you want engineering you have JEE MAINS and ADVANCE if you want core science (scientists and researchers) you have CUET and if you have humanities then there are other exams So gao kao is an exam which caters all high school students under one entrance exam but india is quite systematic and thus have different exams for different fields Thus the acceptance rate is such low (for the top universities)
my mom was lucky... some uni's go to high schools and pick out the best students. my mom went to the best highschool in her region (it was very hard to get into) and she was 2 or 3rd place in her entire school. she was chosen by a university and didn't have to take gaokao
@@Emmie_Lee i agree, but i meant she was lucky to not have to go through gao kao (since its so stressful). she definitely got to where she is right now through her own abilities and was not luck
@@illumina3312 ah yes definitely I did. Will be receiving my medical degree in a year. And I've already graduated in humour. Would you like a free class?
This doesn’t make any sense. Why would a school wanted to let someone who chose them as a first choice even if they got lower score than someone who chose them as your second choice but got a higher score? That doesn’t benefit the University to have a lower scoring people. This is some just seems like it’s cruel for no reason
I think it made a lot of sense, since it would be easier for the system. Because you made them as second choice, so you would only got them if someone who made them the first choice failed at it. And, most people wouldn't try to get beyond their level since it wouldn't guarantee their school.
It makes sense when you remember these schools are all selecting their students at around the same time rather than best university to worst Student A selects 1. Stanford 2. Idaho Student B selects 1. Idaho 2. Somewhere else If idaho selects student B then they know they were first choice and student B will be very likely to accept. If they select student A but student A gets into Stanford. Student A goes to Stanford and idaho is left with one less member of their admissions class. They can come crawling back to student B but by that point in time the student might have accepted going elsewhere or just refuse outright due to the initial rejection
@@TheBacknblack92This is a pretty big issue in the US academic system. Schools have to be strategic with their acceptances, which sometimes means not selecting a candidate who did too well because they probably are going to be accepted somewhere more prestigious. This is more of an issue higher up (like PhD, postdoc, faculty, etc) but happens at all levels. The candidate needs to apply strategically, but this involves knowing the nuances of academic hierarchy which is exactly the kind of insider knowledge that gatekeeps people from underrepresented populations (it's not nearly as simple as school A > school B). The fix here doesn't seem very effective though. It just pushes more strategy onto the students instead of university administration. It's good that students won't be denied admission because they're too good, but it is very likely harmful to everyone who doesn't have a close connection with the academic establishment. I'm not familiar enough with the Chinese school system to comment on how this actually plays out. It also sounds like a mental/emotional nightmare.
Considering there are 10 million people applying I think it actually makes sense to only look at the ones who put your school as their first choice, otherwise schools will potentially have to be weeding out tens of thousands or even millions of applicants
@@Danny_Tist I've only met one person who did this personally, and she shot to the top of the class rankings for most subjects. Especially maths and other subjects involving numbers
Same with mine. I think it really depends on the education system. Over here, you rarely get questions in exams that require you to have learned things by heart, they instead require you to have a deep understanding of the subject and apply that to unfamiliar situations. So if you're used to intense studying with the goal of memorising things, you'll most likely do poorly.@@Danny_Tist
Same way jamb is in Nigeria. You have to choose your preference when registering for the exam. The good part is that you can change your preference after seeing your result.
It’s based on the UK system. that’s how it is pretty much everywhere on earth except the us, maybe a handful of others but the 3 school list is the norm.
Being a indian you should know thats what occurs in counselling. Like if you made choice for lower college then they would choose it as your 1st preference and as your marks are higher than anybody else you are the one to run the system. Like wtf you yapping about
In Brazil we kind of have a similar thing for enrolling in public universities (which here are considered to be the best universities in the country), but you only apply to schools after you get your grades back, and even then when you're applying online you can see how high your grade is compared to the lowest grade for admissions at any given university/course. So, for example, if I wanted to study Biology at University A, and University A can admit 50 students, then I would have to have at least a bigger grade than the student in the 50th place. If you don't think you'll make it, you can either switch to a different/less competititive university or course, or be waitlisted. The University doesn't get to choose who they admit. If a candidate choose their course and got a good enough grade to pass, then that student has a legal right to their admission.
O vestibular é mais difícil neste sentido que o GaoKao, na verdade. Você só escolhe um curso em uma universidade, mas no GaoKao você pode tentar diversas universidades ao mesmo tempo(se não me engano são três, porém podem haver mais). E não, não há direito legal para o colégio pegar você; a nota continua sendo relativa ao número de participantes e vagas. As questões são mais fáceis, no entanto.
@@doctorkiro mas o ENEM é mais fácil, vc só escolhe a universidade e curso depois de ver a sua nota... Poucas universidades no Brasil não aceitam a nota do Enem
It is, they have 9 hours in 2 days and we have 6 hours in one day. Moreover, their questions are our mains level. The only thing is that, the competition in gaokao is immense and the last one about the category you choose makes it more irritating than our jee advanced.
I met someone who has gone through that system. He was 27 when we became fast friends in England, and still he was talking about it half the time when he was talking about growing up in China. Goes to show what an impact it had on him.
This is a huge problem for rather than building more universities because of a specific major, they're making students take these exams to make more space available in like medical major. I'm Kuwaiti and this is a problem here where literally 99.9% of medical students aren't even kuwaitis. And rather than them building more public universities they're making our exams harder and harder so there would be available seats for others. This is why I gave up on medical school and its also a waste of my time and my life because im a woman who wants to have kids and be there for them and I don't want to go through taking more shifts cause someone couldn't attend their shift for the day. I think becoming a biologist is sm better for me
You can really be there for kids with jobs. Also taking extra shifts is not mandatory. Atleast get a degree and start working- you can leave when you want Obviously I am no one to advice and don't know your socio economic status, but having financial freedom iis best way to protect you and children in hard times
I think medical is a great profession if you do it somewhere that actually wants doctors, agree with others you can 100% be a doctor and a mom but…not in Kuwait. They have some of the worst laws around maternal protection and the rules are so strict I would personally never do it there.
That seems completely insane. What's the point? There are no entrance exams in Sweden, you apply to a bunch of universities on a website and you get accepted based on your high school grades. Then you choose from the ones you get accepted to. That's it.
There would then literally be millions of people applying to top unis like tsinghua, it would not be feasible to check their academic background, It's simply a numbers game.
i am realising that the having to estimate exactly how you're going to do and gambling on it at the age of 17-18 is Not a universal experience and it's eye opening
In Malaysia, it is almost the same story. Children will start their kindergarten at the age of three or four and finish kindergarten at six. Then, starts primary school at the age of seven, then they have to sit for UPSR (Primary School Evaluation Exam), a nationwide examination that is compulsory to sit at the age of 12. After that, students will attend secondary school at the age of 13 (if you fail the nation language during UPSR, you're going to take one extra year of education during secondary school). Furthermore, all students will be sitting the PT3 exam (Third Form Evaluation Examination) at the age 15, a nationwide examination that determines whether the student is suitable to go into scientific fields or otherwise (business, accountancy, arts, etc.) After that, when the students enrol into Fourth Form at the age of 16, they'll have to take extra subjects based on the field they got into (Physics, Chemistry, Additional Mathematics, and Biology for Pure Sciences, Physics, Chemistry, Additional Mathematics, Computer Science/Accountancy for Non-Pure Sciences, Accountancy & Economics for Pure Business field, Accountancy ONLY for Partial Pure Business, Arts for Arts field, or none for students whom failed miserably at their PT3). At the age of 17 (Fifth Form), students are required to sign up and sit for SPM (Malaysian Certificate Examination), a nationwide examination that'll determine whether you're qualified for the national level education certificate for you to further your studies into STPM (Higher School Certificate Examination), a nationwide examination, that is optional, for students that further their education into Sixth Form, or you can do Foundation right after your SPM or Polytechnic schools, or other options. Right here I want to stress on STPM a bit, I was once a STPM student and STPM is the fifth most difficult examination globally. The number of subjects required to pursue by a student is four, more than that is welcomed but not recommended unless you can find a tutor. Plus, STPM is equivalent to Diploma and A-Level certificates and its education time is shorter than Diploma Level, so you will be enrolling into uni by the age of 20 rather than most Diploma students at 21. After your STPM or equivalent examination(s), students can choose whether to further into their Degrees or just go into the workforce. Most students who attended STPM/equivalent will apply for IPTA (Public Universities/Gov Universities), uni such as UM (Universiti Malaya) the oldest and most prestigious public university in Malaysia, also one of or the hardest public university to be accepted. There are a total of 20 IPTA in Malaysia and all are great and popular in their own ways. In conclusion, Malaysia's education system is almost similar to GaoKao, but the government gives the students choices to make for their future. Thus, students have no one to blame but themselves when their future is crushed since the government already gave you options to shape your future.
But then it isn't on the same level, it seems like china has a obession to make their subject content so hard its beyond what other countries teach in their education of the same age.
I think China is difficult because of the amount of students you have to compete against. I cant say anything about the difficulty of questions since i never took them. PT3 and UPSR is actually no more so students dont have to take them anymore. Plus the syllabus got even more harder for students from 7 to 17. I can also confirm that STPM is more difficult than A-levels. Although STPM is difficult its not impossible to score a 4.0 or 3.0 above if you actually study and grind. 3.6 and above can guarantee you although not to UM but other top uni eg. UPM, UTM, UKM and USM if you put them as your first pick.
We have something similar in Vietnam call the National High School Test. While it is still the main way to get admitted (for some school it is the only way to get admitted), most schools have switch to admitting based on high school performance or another test which is less intense. And funnily enough, there are people that said the system is broken since getting into college is very easy (you have a higher chance of getting into one of the top universities than not getting accepted anywhere).
Only parents who were unsuccessful themselves force their kids into it, Rich parents send their kids abroad. It's not their fault though it's the only way to come out of poverty in China. I am an Indian we have the 2nd toughest exam in the world only next to Gaokao it's the same situation here.
Brazil's ENEM is quite similar. We have two sundays, one after the other, with an exam lasting 5 and a half hours each day. Same selection system as well.
0.04 acceptance rate makes sense considering the population and applications that must be coming in. In the US they charge a fee JUST TO APPLY. In a system like this, students who arent feeling confident about their GPA, academic resume and extra curriculars wouldn't bother sending the application in the first place.
There's actually a kinda similar-ish system here in Ireland. Under normal circumstances, most people take the Leaving Cert exams, which, like the Gaokao, take place synchronously across the country. Unlike the Gaokao, there are alternative entry routes like the Mature Students or there are some level 6 or 7 (under the NFQI framework where an honours bachelor degree is 8, a masters is a 9 and a PhD is a 10) that feed those with high enough grades upon completion into a second year of a level 8 degree course in, say, one of the ITs or somewhere in TUD. Also, there are mitigation schemes for those who wouldn't score as well on the LC for reason of disability (the DARE scheme) or social disadvantage (the HEAR scheme). With the normal entry, the aggregate score from your top six grades, plus an extra 25 points if you passed Higher Level Maths, is used to determine how high you are on a sort of waiting list for each of the up to 10 university courses for which you indicated interest, and the top X people are sent an offer depending on how many places are open in the course. DARE and HEAR students are competing only within themselves (I'm not actually sure if there's seperate pools for DARE and HEAR, or if there's just a single Access pool) for a smaller but less competitive set of seats,and thus are significantly more likely to achieve the course they want with lower grades. Like the Gaokao you can retake, but I haven't heard of anyone doing it more than twice. I dont know if there's an equivalent to the CAO, which collects all exam scores and allocates places based on what universities tell them of course availabilities, and does so with quite a bit of anonymity, as no names are associated with your application and exam scores. There's also no need for anything like an admissions essay, an exhausting array of extracurriculars, or a even a history or any academic effort a all. If you get the grade in the exam, you're golden, otherwise you've got at least three alternatives but you feel kinda fucked.
That actually sounds very similar to how we get into government funded universities in Brazil, but you can reseat the exam the year after if you don't get enough points. Some kids take the exam the year before they actually need to prepare and have a trial run. And some of the top universities in the country have their own separate exam, which is often 3+ days long. The only good part is that if you don't get enough points to get into a government funded the points can be used to get tuition discounts at private universities.
just to show how non American systems works, in Brazil we also have a exam that determines everything on the first day you have 5½ hours to do 90 questions plus a 30 line essay without knowing the theme on the second day you have more 90 questions and 5 hours to do it the points are not by number of right answers, they use a system that measures the coherence of your rights and wrongs (example: if you answer a easy question wrong and a hard question right, the system will give you lesser points because "it doesn't make sense not knowing a easy one if you know the hard one") The points you receive will determine whether you get in or not depending on your position
This is why I love the UK: - Low population therefore low competition - content is relatively easy - Only 4 subjects for a levels - People in the UK are dumb so little competition 🎉🎉🎉
@@danielliu9616 how is this fair? imagine working so hard for years and then due to some reason, maybe you're sick or anything, you can't do well in those 9 hours? does that mean they didn't deserve to get into college? they weren't smart enough? believe me the same thing has happened to me in my country and this is NOT FAIR.
@@johnkingbad because students from a rich or a poor family have technically the equal chance to compete into university. if not, their fate will be decided by rich parents or unsproken rules
The first choice thing happens in med schools in the USA as well, but the system is set up so you are basically saying they're your first choice EXCLUSIVELY so if you don't get in, you have to wait several MONTHS for a waiting list to open up before you're even allowed to apply to another school.
Here I am looking at this as a college droppout because half way trough I decided I liked another field better and had the opportunity to work in it without a deggree, and now am riding on just on my experience, more then happy with my line of work and the money I earn. Hope these kids get some more freedom to not stress themselves sick over colleges
In a country with over 1.4billion people there's just too much competition, obviously schools will want the best of the best since there's so many students fighting for it. Its a messed up system but when theres that many people what can you do.
Same System in India. The IITJEE Exam is very hard to crack and has lower than 1% acceptance rate. NEET UG exam has even Lower Acceptance Rate and the Civil Services Exams like UPSC has even LOWER Acceptance Rate. Its Tough being in an Overpopulated Country
When it comes to maths, i may struggle alot, but i have a motivation to myself which aids me in getting better. Everytime i do maths, i always carefully read the question and always tell myself that tberes always a solution to anything in maths thats valid
That explains why my uni has a lot of Chinese students, it’s a Russell Group uni so it’s pretty good, must be easier to get into than the Chinese ones.
We actually have a very similar system in ireland though probobly not as intense. Its called the leaving cert, which earns you points. All university courses have points you need to get to get in (for example college law might be 560 points, so you need that to get into the course) and each school subject final exam is worth 100 points, so you take an exam - the leaving cert - and get a certain amount of points based off how well you did. You rank the courses you want 1-10 and then get the highest preference based off how many points you got. I dont know if its still exact same system but it was when i was finishing school. Covid probobly changed this up a bit
in australia we have to same application process and university acceptance letters actually come out within the week of you finding out your own result, but a 9 hour exam sounds like actual torture.
bro search up the math papers of GAOKAO, they have them in English as well. If you are a highschool student outside of asia I'd seriously doubt if you can even comprehend the questions, let alone answering correctly
This system sounds rly similar to the one that 12 year olds take in Singapore, the psle, something like the secondary school entrance exam. Many years ago they were required to submit their school choices without knowing their results. Similar to before, schools still look at your order of preference before accepting you.
I'm Brazilian and that looks a lot like ENEM, it's a test with 90 questions + an assay, two days with 5 hours each and you can only get into college if you pass, especially public ones(the best ones in here)
Only 9 hours of exams! To receive an offer into the top course at the best university you need to be the top .05% and obviously ranked them as your first preferrence. 🇦🇺
That's how it also used to be back in the day in Turkey. My dad couldn't get into uni cause he wrote the hardest to get unis on his list. Hopefully the system will change and you'll only be competing for your score, and not your ability to guess.
but if you've put a college as your second preference, the only way you wont get it is if youve got your first preference, right? so someone with a lower score will get your second preference anyway, irrespective of whether it's their first preference or not because youve already got your first preference, right?
You get points on the gaokao and universities post their minimum point sum to be CONSIDERED for admission. That's how it works, you're not actually guaranteed jack shit unless you get a recommendation from the school (people who get those don't need to take the gaokao anyways). There are levels of preference. #1 means you can qualify for the minimum of that school. But #2 preference means you'll need a HIGHER point sum to qualify than their minimum. That's why preference is vital. Usually, if a student is smart, #1 will have a medium to high minimum, and #2 will have a lower minimum, and #3 will have a lower minimum so even if the odds are stacked against you, you can still land #2 or #3.
i remember that one documentary of a girl from a poor family who did not pass the exam. turns out, she actually passed but someone paid a higher up to take her spot. she was the only hope of her family since she was the only one who managed to finish school. her and her family's dream and life was ruined by someone because of money. she ended up working in a small school/daycare (?) in her hometown.
Its funny how something very similar is implemented in Trinidad and Tobago with SEA exam, which is secondary school assessment which every child must sit in order to transition into secondary school.
Its same in Turkey too exept 2 differances our exam is 180m+165m and an extra 165 if you are an language student they expected you to answer 120 questions in 180 munites witch seems alot until u see a page long math and literature questions time is the biggest issue nearly no one can finishes all the questions but I guess our system is bit better because we know our score then select universities its still not guaranteed because higher % gets infront of you but still nothing to do exept studying i guess
Indonesia also got the exact system for going to public university, it's called SNBT. I think most Asian countries does the same thing for their public university's entrance!
That's extremely cruel. I can still, somewhere, accept about how you have to shine out of 10 million candidates, but the fact that you have to fill your university preferences before the exam sounds like a rule designed purely to torture students! It doesn't even hurt it make it to after the exam
I’m glad I’m in an American curriculum now. People always criticize American curriculum but coming from someone who has studied in CBSE (Indian curriculum)from the past 10 years( from kg to middle school) and I have to say . This had a toll on my mental health. I am so happy and grateful to change my curriculum to study what I need to and not too much extra. I loved my CBSE school up till primary . After 6th grade my mental health went downhill because my only goal was to be an academic OVERACHIEVER and go to Oxford. Overall choose a curriculum that suits your mental health and don’t care about what others say .Always remember to put yourself first no matter what.
Its like this in Nigeria before, but the exam is not this intense. The whole university thing picking only people who put them first was a thing in Nigeria.
And she didn't mention how if you failed the exam you won't get job anywhere and if you pass and then get your university diploma then also you won't get job or do pretty job like cab driver,food delivery etc
in Ukraine we have the similar system. we have 3/4 exams in different days, each one is around 2-3 hours. the exams are for every high schooler. you also put your preferences before you know your scores, and you also can have lower score but still be accepted in your higher preference uni (the systen have the formula to count scores and preferences, and put ppl accordingly) this system is for public and private uni. but we have a little bit different system for private universities, you can choose to go to private uni after you have the results
The competition is intense mostly due to high number of applicants. But the system of making choices before results are declared ...does not make sense. In India also we have such highly competitive exams but the saving grace is that the college choice is filled after the result is declared.
And people wonder why the suicide rate for teens is so high over in some Asian countries. Between bullying and pressure from society about schooling I might have just run away🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
Brazil has something similar, but it's 10 hours long in 2 days. Also happens only once a year. But we have colleges that are easier to enter, so it's ok
That's one broken education system
Yeah we have our intelligent folks here in the US and other places in the world. Clearly we didn’t need this! Does this really help China?
@@gengushmurda6448Americans dont get to talk about other countries education systems
@@gengushmurda6448it's education system is not as broken as the system of usa don't eorry
Whatever flaws you may see in our education system, it’s clearly brought us something, many of us who are happy realize its importance, and I’m glad we educated people in our country without this torturous exam.
@@mountaindewrealceogirl china literally tortures their students, it does not compare
How is this considered as an exam and not as a torture?!?
Exactly!
A nine hour test taken over two days (sometimes three) is entirely doable, i truly do not know what the commotion is about.
@@yugi9259 it's not just about the test, it's the intensity of the whole process till selection, that's too harsh.
@@yugi9259 the selection process......
They just fuck up students' minds with the preference thing
It's not about the duration you donut.
It's about the absolute appalling competition and the fact that they have to basically play russian roulette with their universities.
Man that just sounds like actual torture.
Because that's what exams are 😅😭
@mrburpmud it's not about the exams its about the university preference selection.
Wait till you hear about JEE
@@A_S._. my friend is doing those , but this is still torture 😭
Jee is no where near as tuff as this but ya it's up there@@A_S._.
That sounds beyond cruel.
Also because ppl keep commenting. I am from India, i have given competitive exams and I understand the stressful environment. But i still feel that this system is pretty unnecessarily harsh.
Well.....JEE adv. Is pretty much the same but it's 6 hrs exam and conducted for 1 exam per day
(I'm attempting it too, wish me luck 🥲🥲)
@@atharvamankar5118har jagah jake ye randirona mt kra kro yaar, unka exam jyada tough h maan lo. acceptance rate km h fir uni ka preference ego bhi h.
@@atharvamankar5118 how is advance cruel
Didn't u watch the video?
@atharvamankar5118nahh.. gao kao is more
You guys don't understand the difference
The level of study you'll have to do is quite similar but the acceptance rate is different coz more people give gao kao becoz in India if you want medical field you have NEET if you want engineering you have JEE MAINS and ADVANCE if you want core science (scientists and researchers) you have CUET and if you have humanities then there are other exams
So gao kao is an exam which caters all high school students under one entrance exam but india is quite systematic and thus have different exams for different fields
Thus the acceptance rate is such low (for the top universities)
my mom was lucky... some uni's go to high schools and pick out the best students. my mom went to the best highschool in her region (it was very hard to get into) and she was 2 or 3rd place in her entire school. she was chosen by a university and didn't have to take gaokao
You talk a lot about luck, but I think your mom is badass 🎉
Congrats to her 👏
Nope that was defo not luck! She was the best student in the best high school, she would have performed greatly even if she did gaokao anyways🎉
@@Emmie_Lee i agree, but i meant she was lucky to not have to go through gao kao (since its so stressful). she definitely got to where she is right now through her own abilities and was not luck
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@@Ontario_Mapper?
So much competition in life 😩
*Makes me want to go back to my mother's ovary*
Did you focus in biology?
@@illumina3312 ah yes definitely I did. Will be receiving my medical degree in a year. And I've already graduated in humour. Would you like a free class?
BWAHAHA😂🤣😭.
You ate and left no crumbs with that comeback. Lmao. Well said.
@@illumina3312lmao that’s where we all start dumbass. i learned that in like the academic grade 11 science lmao
@@qareenalone yes please please I have my a levels coming up PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
This doesn’t make any sense. Why would a school wanted to let someone who chose them as a first choice even if they got lower score than someone who chose them as your second choice but got a higher score? That doesn’t benefit the University to have a lower scoring people. This is some just seems like it’s cruel for no reason
I think it made a lot of sense, since it would be easier for the system.
Because you made them as second choice, so you would only got them if someone who made them the first choice failed at it. And, most people wouldn't try to get beyond their level since it wouldn't guarantee their school.
It should be by score, not the preference
It makes sense when you remember these schools are all selecting their students at around the same time rather than best university to worst
Student A selects
1. Stanford
2. Idaho
Student B selects
1. Idaho
2. Somewhere else
If idaho selects student B then they know they were first choice and student B will be very likely to accept. If they select student A but student A gets into Stanford. Student A goes to Stanford and idaho is left with one less member of their admissions class. They can come crawling back to student B but by that point in time the student might have accepted going elsewhere or just refuse outright due to the initial rejection
@@TheBacknblack92This is a pretty big issue in the US academic system. Schools have to be strategic with their acceptances, which sometimes means not selecting a candidate who did too well because they probably are going to be accepted somewhere more prestigious. This is more of an issue higher up (like PhD, postdoc, faculty, etc) but happens at all levels. The candidate needs to apply strategically, but this involves knowing the nuances of academic hierarchy which is exactly the kind of insider knowledge that gatekeeps people from underrepresented populations (it's not nearly as simple as school A > school B).
The fix here doesn't seem very effective though. It just pushes more strategy onto the students instead of university administration. It's good that students won't be denied admission because they're too good, but it is very likely harmful to everyone who doesn't have a close connection with the academic establishment. I'm not familiar enough with the Chinese school system to comment on how this actually plays out.
It also sounds like a mental/emotional nightmare.
Considering there are 10 million people applying I think it actually makes sense to only look at the ones who put your school as their first choice, otherwise schools will potentially have to be weeding out tens of thousands or even millions of applicants
that's why these students top everywhere when they go abroad..They are used to the struggle..
They do? In my uni, Chinese people are known to fail a lot
@@Danny_Tistlmaoo maybe your university is just shit
@@Danny_Tist I've only met one person who did this personally, and she shot to the top of the class rankings for most subjects. Especially maths and other subjects involving numbers
Same with mine. I think it really depends on the education system. Over here, you rarely get questions in exams that require you to have learned things by heart, they instead require you to have a deep understanding of the subject and apply that to unfamiliar situations. So if you're used to intense studying with the goal of memorising things, you'll most likely do poorly.@@Danny_Tist
Common misconception
It’s almost, as if, it’s a…. Broken system
JEE advanced in india:
Same way jamb is in Nigeria. You have to choose your preference when registering for the exam. The good part is that you can change your preference after seeing your result.
Same. Uganda
It’s based on the UK system. that’s how it is pretty much everywhere on earth except the us, maybe a handful of others but the 3 school list is the norm.
The college selection system is just cruel and heartbreaking. Imagine scoring so high and the college rejects you just because of your options.
Being a indian you should know thats what occurs in counselling. Like if you made choice for lower college then they would choose it as your 1st preference and as your marks are higher than anybody else you are the one to run the system. Like wtf you yapping about
this makes me grateful that im preparing for neet
this aged horribly 💀
As if neet story isn't the same. Who are you kidding 😂
@@pepper2240 yes it is similar but not as extreme as this 😭
@@pepper2240at least neet isn’t 9 hours long 💀
3 hrs long
Atleast neet doesn't reject people based on their preferences
In Brazil we kind of have a similar thing for enrolling in public universities (which here are considered to be the best universities in the country), but you only apply to schools after you get your grades back, and even then when you're applying online you can see how high your grade is compared to the lowest grade for admissions at any given university/course. So, for example, if I wanted to study Biology at University A, and University A can admit 50 students, then I would have to have at least a bigger grade than the student in the 50th place. If you don't think you'll make it, you can either switch to a different/less competititive university or course, or be waitlisted.
The University doesn't get to choose who they admit. If a candidate choose their course and got a good enough grade to pass, then that student has a legal right to their admission.
O vestibular é mais difícil neste sentido que o GaoKao, na verdade. Você só escolhe um curso em uma universidade, mas no GaoKao você pode tentar diversas universidades ao mesmo tempo(se não me engano são três, porém podem haver mais). E não, não há direito legal para o colégio pegar você; a nota continua sendo relativa ao número de participantes e vagas.
As questões são mais fáceis, no entanto.
@@doctorkiro mas o ENEM é mais fácil, vc só escolhe a universidade e curso depois de ver a sua nota... Poucas universidades no Brasil não aceitam a nota do Enem
@@brubs2556 Só deixa o vestibular mais difícil em termos de passar 👀
Damn and we struggle in jee advanced (2nd most tough in the world)
Not EVERYONE has to give it tho
@@natashahahaha0not every chinese student needs to take the gaokao
@@natashahahaha0 did i say that?
@@nivedhaaaa908i thought every Chinese student gave that exam, i thought it was compulsory, otherwise how are they gonna continue their studies?
@@mizuki6150 i mean, its not necessary that they continue their studies
or they can take other international exams instead of writing the gaokao
And I thought JEE was cruel enough 💀
It is, they have 9 hours in 2 days and we have 6 hours in one day. Moreover, their questions are our mains level. The only thing is that, the competition in gaokao is immense and the last one about the category you choose makes it more irritating than our jee advanced.
@@pranav3833 competition is not immense its same approx 12M people appear for both gaokao and JEE mains.
@@infinixgaming1791bro learn to count. It's 2M at max for jee whilst 12M for gaokao. That's 6x more crowded
@@1stlullaby484 mb bro
@@infinixgaming1791 it's all good man, not sure why i tonned my reply that way, probably wasn't having great day
All these hard tests and they still have engineers building high rises with cement you can crumble with your hands
Got em
😂
that's because of greedy companies wanting to cut corners, often the higher ups. Not the engineers themselves
Have you went to China. Their architecture is good, buildings are good too
Y cant blame engineers for company greed
I met someone who has gone through that system. He was 27 when we became fast friends in England, and still he was talking about it half the time when he was talking about growing up in China. Goes to show what an impact it had on him.
This is a huge problem for rather than building more universities because of a specific major, they're making students take these exams to make more space available in like medical major.
I'm Kuwaiti and this is a problem here where literally 99.9% of medical students aren't even kuwaitis. And rather than them building more public universities they're making our exams harder and harder so there would be available seats for others. This is why I gave up on medical school and its also a waste of my time and my life because im a woman who wants to have kids and be there for them and I don't want to go through taking more shifts cause someone couldn't attend their shift for the day. I think becoming a biologist is sm better for me
You can really be there for kids with jobs. Also taking extra shifts is not mandatory. Atleast get a degree and start working- you can leave when you want
Obviously I am no one to advice and don't know your socio economic status, but having financial freedom iis best way to protect you and children in hard times
China is building more universities as we speak, an estimate of one new university per week. They just have 1.4 billion people.
I think medical is a great profession if you do it somewhere that actually wants doctors, agree with others you can 100% be a doctor and a mom but…not in Kuwait. They have some of the worst laws around maternal protection and the rules are so strict I would personally never do it there.
No wonder so many Chinese students choose to study abroad. That sounds like torture
You're so hardworking love your videos !!!
That seems completely insane. What's the point? There are no entrance exams in Sweden, you apply to a bunch of universities on a website and you get accepted based on your high school grades. Then you choose from the ones you get accepted to. That's it.
In a big country like China the school grades might be given with different measures.
There would then literally be millions of people applying to top unis like tsinghua, it would not be feasible to check their academic background, It's simply a numbers game.
wait that is so messed up, choice filling w/o score????
i am realising that the having to estimate exactly how you're going to do and gambling on it at the age of 17-18 is Not a universal experience and it's eye opening
i have to do that for my tests and im in the usa
no cz it genuinely doesn't make sensewhat's the reason@@valsonder
They do that here in Ireland too
my good wishes for yall lol@@hahahello1885
this sounds like AP exams on steroids
In Malaysia, it is almost the same story. Children will start their kindergarten at the age of three or four and finish kindergarten at six. Then, starts primary school at the age of seven, then they have to sit for UPSR (Primary School Evaluation Exam), a nationwide examination that is compulsory to sit at the age of 12.
After that, students will attend secondary school at the age of 13 (if you fail the nation language during UPSR, you're going to take one extra year of education during secondary school).
Furthermore, all students will be sitting the PT3 exam (Third Form Evaluation Examination) at the age 15, a nationwide examination that determines whether the student is suitable to go into scientific fields or otherwise (business, accountancy, arts, etc.)
After that, when the students enrol into Fourth Form at the age of 16, they'll have to take extra subjects based on the field they got into (Physics, Chemistry, Additional Mathematics, and Biology for Pure Sciences, Physics, Chemistry, Additional Mathematics, Computer Science/Accountancy for Non-Pure Sciences, Accountancy & Economics for Pure Business field, Accountancy ONLY for Partial Pure Business, Arts for Arts field, or none for students whom failed miserably at their PT3).
At the age of 17 (Fifth Form), students are required to sign up and sit for SPM (Malaysian Certificate Examination), a nationwide examination that'll determine whether you're qualified for the national level education certificate for you to further your studies into STPM (Higher School Certificate Examination), a nationwide examination, that is optional, for students that further their education into Sixth Form, or you can do Foundation right after your SPM or Polytechnic schools, or other options.
Right here I want to stress on STPM a bit, I was once a STPM student and STPM is the fifth most difficult examination globally. The number of subjects required to pursue by a student is four, more than that is welcomed but not recommended unless you can find a tutor. Plus, STPM is equivalent to Diploma and A-Level certificates and its education time is shorter than Diploma Level, so you will be enrolling into uni by the age of 20 rather than most Diploma students at 21.
After your STPM or equivalent examination(s), students can choose whether to further into their Degrees or just go into the workforce. Most students who attended STPM/equivalent will apply for IPTA (Public Universities/Gov Universities), uni such as UM (Universiti Malaya) the oldest and most prestigious public university in Malaysia, also one of or the hardest public university to be accepted. There are a total of 20 IPTA in Malaysia and all are great and popular in their own ways.
In conclusion, Malaysia's education system is almost similar to GaoKao, but the government gives the students choices to make for their future. Thus, students have no one to blame but themselves when their future is crushed since the government already gave you options to shape your future.
That's brutal.
But then it isn't on the same level, it seems like china has a obession to make their subject content so hard its beyond what other countries teach in their education of the same age.
I think China is difficult because of the amount of students you have to compete against. I cant say anything about the difficulty of questions since i never took them.
PT3 and UPSR is actually no more so students dont have to take them anymore. Plus the syllabus got even more harder for students from 7 to 17.
I can also confirm that STPM is more difficult than A-levels. Although STPM is difficult its not impossible to score a 4.0 or 3.0 above if you actually study and grind. 3.6 and above can guarantee you although not to UM but other top uni eg. UPM, UTM, UKM and USM if you put them as your first pick.
We have something similar in Vietnam call the National High School Test. While it is still the main way to get admitted (for some school it is the only way to get admitted), most schools have switch to admitting based on high school performance or another test which is less intense. And funnily enough, there are people that said the system is broken since getting into college is very easy (you have a higher chance of getting into one of the top universities than not getting accepted anywhere).
Shitty system made by people who dont give a fuck or feel like they need to force others into doing this because they did it.
Only parents who were unsuccessful themselves force their kids into it, Rich parents send their kids abroad. It's not their fault though it's the only way to come out of poverty in China. I am an Indian we have the 2nd toughest exam in the world only next to Gaokao it's the same situation here.
Brazil's ENEM is quite similar. We have two sundays, one after the other, with an exam lasting 5 and a half hours each day. Same selection system as well.
0.04 acceptance rate makes sense considering the population and applications that must be coming in.
In the US they charge a fee JUST TO APPLY. In a system like this, students who arent feeling confident about their GPA, academic resume and extra curriculars wouldn't bother sending the application in the first place.
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There's actually a kinda similar-ish system here in Ireland. Under normal circumstances, most people take the Leaving Cert exams, which, like the Gaokao, take place synchronously across the country. Unlike the Gaokao, there are alternative entry routes like the Mature Students or there are some level 6 or 7 (under the NFQI framework where an honours bachelor degree is 8, a masters is a 9 and a PhD is a 10) that feed those with high enough grades upon completion into a second year of a level 8 degree course in, say, one of the ITs or somewhere in TUD. Also, there are mitigation schemes for those who wouldn't score as well on the LC for reason of disability (the DARE scheme) or social disadvantage (the HEAR scheme). With the normal entry, the aggregate score from your top six grades, plus an extra 25 points if you passed Higher Level Maths, is used to determine how high you are on a sort of waiting list for each of the up to 10 university courses for which you indicated interest, and the top X people are sent an offer depending on how many places are open in the course. DARE and HEAR students are competing only within themselves (I'm not actually sure if there's seperate pools for DARE and HEAR, or if there's just a single Access pool) for a smaller but less competitive set of seats,and thus are significantly more likely to achieve the course they want with lower grades. Like the Gaokao you can retake, but I haven't heard of anyone doing it more than twice. I dont know if there's an equivalent to the CAO, which collects all exam scores and allocates places based on what universities tell them of course availabilities, and does so with quite a bit of anonymity, as no names are associated with your application and exam scores. There's also no need for anything like an admissions essay, an exhausting array of extracurriculars, or a even a history or any academic effort a all. If you get the grade in the exam, you're golden, otherwise you've got at least three alternatives but you feel kinda fucked.
Whats really sad is that these entrance exams used to be banned for some time and then were re-instated
That actually sounds very similar to how we get into government funded universities in Brazil, but you can reseat the exam the year after if you don't get enough points.
Some kids take the exam the year before they actually need to prepare and have a trial run.
And some of the top universities in the country have their own separate exam, which is often 3+ days long.
The only good part is that if you don't get enough points to get into a government funded the points can be used to get tuition discounts at private universities.
The universities be like: “you gotta want me, work for me and place me as your #1”💅✨💖
That sounds absolutely unhinged
That’s literally ridiculous. I feel bad that children have to go through that much stress at such a young point in their lives.
We have similar selection criteria in India but we do get to know our scores before hand and the acceptance rate is not as bad lol
just to show how non American systems works, in Brazil we also have a exam that determines everything
on the first day you have 5½ hours to do 90 questions plus a 30 line essay without knowing the theme
on the second day you have more 90 questions and 5 hours to do it
the points are not by number of right answers, they use a system that measures the coherence of your rights and wrongs (example: if you answer a easy question wrong and a hard question right, the system will give you lesser points because "it doesn't make sense not knowing a easy one if you know the hard one")
The points you receive will determine whether you get in or not depending on your position
This is why I love the UK:
- Low population therefore low competition
- content is relatively easy
- Only 4 subjects for a levels
- People in the UK are dumb so little competition 🎉🎉🎉
😂😂😂
Still I'd kill to study at Cambridge or something gonna be taking a levels next year
lol and we have some of the best uni's that prioritise our citizenship-
A 9 hour exam just to get into one uni? Got me fd up 😂
that's such a toxic education system.
Toxic but fair
@@danielliu9616 how is this fair? imagine working so hard for years and then due to some reason, maybe you're sick or anything, you can't do well in those 9 hours? does that mean they didn't deserve to get into college? they weren't smart enough?
believe me the same thing has happened to me in my country and this is NOT FAIR.
Shut up and talk about US gun culture atleast our students are safe unlike yours where students are shot by some teenager
@@danielliu9616 how...
@@johnkingbad because students from a rich or a poor family have technically the equal chance to compete into university. if not, their fate will be decided by rich parents or unsproken rules
Thanks for makeing me feel better about indian IITs and NEET
The first choice thing happens in med schools in the USA as well, but the system is set up so you are basically saying they're your first choice EXCLUSIVELY so if you don't get in, you have to wait several MONTHS for a waiting list to open up before you're even allowed to apply to another school.
It's similar in Slovenia. But we only have 3 universities so....
I’m so glad I didn’t have to go through this.
Not every chinese dreams to go through this too, its all abt preferences in life. There are many pvt universities as well.
The university being petty
I cant
It’s the exact same system in Iran too, called konkur
Here I am looking at this as a college droppout because half way trough I decided I liked another field better and had the opportunity to work in it without a deggree, and now am riding on just on my experience, more then happy with my line of work and the money I earn. Hope these kids get some more freedom to not stress themselves sick over colleges
Pretty similar to how it works in Brazil, with the Enem test. But you choose your university after getting your score, at least lol
Newfound respect for my mom-got top marks and was accepted to China’s top 2 universities-later went to Harvard and UPenn before she dropped out
The university entry system sounds like the Greek one
In a country with over 1.4billion people there's just too much competition, obviously schools will want the best of the best since there's so many students fighting for it. Its a messed up system but when theres that many people what can you do.
Same System in India. The IITJEE Exam is very hard to crack and has lower than 1% acceptance rate. NEET UG exam has even Lower Acceptance Rate and the Civil Services Exams like UPSC has even LOWER Acceptance Rate. Its Tough being in an Overpopulated Country
Lmao so true
When it comes to maths, i may struggle alot, but i have a motivation to myself which aids me in getting better.
Everytime i do maths, i always carefully read the question and always tell myself that tberes always a solution to anything in maths thats valid
That explains why my uni has a lot of Chinese students, it’s a Russell Group uni so it’s pretty good, must be easier to get into than the Chinese ones.
I'll just live as a farmer in the peaceful meadows for my whole life rather than torturing my mind like this.
and then you still end up unemployed upon graduation
Ouch toxic and exhausting af glad im over here 🥺 thanks for educating us on this topic!
Thats....thats torture
We actually have a very similar system in ireland though probobly not as intense. Its called the leaving cert, which earns you points. All university courses have points you need to get to get in (for example college law might be 560 points, so you need that to get into the course) and each school subject final exam is worth 100 points, so you take an exam - the leaving cert - and get a certain amount of points based off how well you did. You rank the courses you want 1-10 and then get the highest preference based off how many points you got. I dont know if its still exact same system but it was when i was finishing school. Covid probobly changed this up a bit
She's a very hardworking and very intelligent student.
Nice accent
That just sounded like a really good anime plot for a different plotline of stressful world 😮😮😮
I smell JEE, NEET 👁️👄👁️
in australia we have to same application process and university acceptance letters actually come out within the week of you finding out your own result, but a 9 hour exam sounds like actual torture.
my toxic trait is thinking i could pass easily 💀
bro search up the math papers of GAOKAO, they have them in English as well. If you are a highschool student outside of asia I'd seriously doubt if you can even comprehend the questions, let alone answering correctly
This system sounds rly similar to the one that 12 year olds take in Singapore, the psle, something like the secondary school entrance exam. Many years ago they were required to submit their school choices without knowing their results. Similar to before, schools still look at your order of preference before accepting you.
it's just like that in brazil, exactly like that
I'm Brazilian and that looks a lot like ENEM, it's a test with 90 questions + an assay, two days with 5 hours each and you can only get into college if you pass, especially public ones(the best ones in here)
we have the EXACT same system in Turkey
this sounds like the average School Exams from Germany lol
Only 9 hours of exams! To receive an offer into the top course at the best university you need to be the top .05% and obviously ranked them as your first preferrence. 🇦🇺
The actual exam is 9 hours
Here in India, almost all entrance exams are like this. 😂
Thats ENEM! Brazil has a similar system😂😂😂😂😂
Total kkjkk
That's how it also used to be back in the day in Turkey. My dad couldn't get into uni cause he wrote the hardest to get unis on his list. Hopefully the system will change and you'll only be competing for your score, and not your ability to guess.
In INDIA the most toughest exam is jee advance🇮🇳👉👈
Grammar bhai, theek kar le😂
Nobody asked
GATE is tougher I guess
@@KDS2007 nahh.. JEE is no. 1 in India n no. 2 in world..
@@I_gave_Felix_the_egg322 oh okay
This is very similar to all Indian Entrance Exams ✋🏽🤣🔫😭
but if you've put a college as your second preference, the only way you wont get it is if youve got your first preference, right? so someone with a lower score will get your second preference anyway, irrespective of whether it's their first preference or not because youve already got your first preference, right?
You get points on the gaokao and universities post their minimum point sum to be CONSIDERED for admission. That's how it works, you're not actually guaranteed jack shit unless you get a recommendation from the school (people who get those don't need to take the gaokao anyways).
There are levels of preference. #1 means you can qualify for the minimum of that school. But #2 preference means you'll need a HIGHER point sum to qualify than their minimum. That's why preference is vital.
Usually, if a student is smart, #1 will have a medium to high minimum, and #2 will have a lower minimum, and #3 will have a lower minimum so even if the odds are stacked against you, you can still land #2 or #3.
i remember that one documentary of a girl from a poor family who did not pass the exam. turns out, she actually passed but someone paid a higher up to take her spot. she was the only hope of her family since she was the only one who managed to finish school. her and her family's dream and life was ruined by someone because of money. she ended up working in a small school/daycare (?) in her hometown.
Bro this comment section has some serious fights going on and I’m here for it 😂
Edit: 2 fight comments have been deleted ☠️
Its funny how something very similar is implemented in Trinidad and Tobago with SEA exam, which is secondary school assessment which every child must sit in order to transition into secondary school.
and i thought my 5 hour testing (no breaks) was bad
Its same in Turkey too exept 2 differances our exam is 180m+165m and an extra 165 if you are an language student they expected you to answer 120 questions in 180 munites witch seems alot until u see a page long math and literature questions time is the biggest issue nearly no one can finishes all the questions but I guess our system is bit better because we know our score then select universities its still not guaranteed because higher % gets infront of you but still nothing to do exept studying i guess
Same as enter the IIT Bombay
It just the enter possibility will be 0.01%😢
Indonesia also got the exact system for going to public university, it's called SNBT. I think most Asian countries does the same thing for their public university's entrance!
That's extremely cruel. I can still, somewhere, accept about how you have to shine out of 10 million candidates, but the fact that you have to fill your university preferences before the exam sounds like a rule designed purely to torture students! It doesn't even hurt it make it to after the exam
it does when they have so many students at one time, it makes it easier, more efficient, and it isnt cruel
I’m glad I’m in an American curriculum now. People always criticize American curriculum but coming from someone who has studied in CBSE (Indian curriculum)from the past 10 years( from kg to middle school) and I have to say . This had a toll on my mental health. I am so happy and grateful to change my curriculum to study what I need to and not too much extra. I loved my CBSE school up till primary . After 6th grade my mental health went downhill because my only goal was to be an academic OVERACHIEVER and go to Oxford. Overall choose a curriculum that suits your mental health and don’t care about what others say .Always remember to put yourself first no matter what.
I don't think i would have gone to an university, if i was born in China . Thank god i am not 😂😂😂
🙂↔️This one is harder than IIT JEE....Bro as an indian teen i can understand the amount of hardwork needed to crack this exam.
IITs in India have below 1% acceptance rate
Their selection ratio is less than 0.04% so no point of comparison 😂
Just accept that Chinese entrance exams are harder
@@convolutionalnn2582 Paper of gaokao is quite solvable and proof based. Once see a JEE Adv paper you will know
MFers fighting on who has more depression 💀
Its like this in Nigeria before, but the exam is not this intense. The whole university thing picking only people who put them first was a thing in Nigeria.
And she didn't mention how if you failed the exam you won't get job anywhere and if you pass and then get your university diploma then also you won't get job or do pretty job like cab driver,food delivery etc
What are you thinking? No one has a job
in Ukraine we have the similar system. we have 3/4 exams in different days, each one is around 2-3 hours. the exams are for every high schooler. you also put your preferences before you know your scores, and you also can have lower score but still be accepted in your higher preference uni (the systen have the formula to count scores and preferences, and put ppl accordingly)
this system is for public and private uni. but we have a little bit different system for private universities, you can choose to go to private uni after you have the results
Respect from India 🫡🫡
The competition is intense mostly due to high number of applicants. But the system of making choices before results are declared ...does not make sense.
In India also we have such highly competitive exams but the saving grace is that the college choice is filled after the result is declared.
Some students take review classes for this exam since 6th grade. Which is insane.
Mam, can you please advise me on how to gain acknowledgment to Harward University America for an MBBS? Please
And people wonder why the suicide rate for teens is so high over in some Asian countries. Between bullying and pressure from society about schooling I might have just run away🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
Brazil has something similar, but it's 10 hours long in 2 days. Also happens only once a year. But we have colleges that are easier to enter, so it's ok
Years after, still quite proud that I was ranked 29 out of 50000 students of my province that year 😂.
This explains why there are so many Chinese students at my uni.
Man why couldnt I just stay nonexistent? Or as some atom with no consciousness just floating through time 😭
its funny because that's exactly how it works here in brazil too. still beats student loans tho