Nvidia's Forgotten Flagship!
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- Hello and Welcome to another BudgetBuilds Episode where today we're going to be taking a bit of a look back at the strange GTX+ Series, a strange die shrunk flagship released as a budget competitor for £50 more than its competition. A card so strange hat everyone seems to gloss over it.
But today in 2020 these things are crazily cheap, and they dont carry the same price tag as the 8800GTX Card, despite being better, all very strange, So join me today as we push it through some old and new titles just to see how well it was holding up.
Intro - 0:00
The Specs - 0:15
A Very Condensed History - 1:33
Benchmarks - 6:35
3D Mark and Thermals - 11:59
Conclusion and Final Thoughts - 12:51
Simcity 4 - Bumper to Bumper
MGS - Sea Breeze
Simcity 3000 - Building
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Specs:
CPU: R7 3700X
GPU: Nvidia Geforce 9800GTX+ - The Plus is Important
RAM: 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz
OS: Windows 10 64Bit
(I did also breifly test in my Windows XP Dell, other than a CPU Bottleneck at very high FPS, well in excess of 200Fps, although performance was pretty much the same)
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I had the 512mb Asus "Dark Knight" version of this card. I had to RMA it and they sent me the rarer 1gb version
I just had a look at that card and Jesus that's a beefy cooler for the time
thats some real cement based thermal paste right there
I have the same exact one from eBay , cost me 1.99 good temps
@@MozrowDrops I think that Scelly is referring to the stuff that was dried and removed from the old gpu, not the stuff that B-BO applied.
Keeps the GPU stone cold.
It reminded me of some thermal paste I had to scrape off the northbridge of a Westmere era SuperMicro server board recently. Literally took me two hours solid of scrubbing I burned through 20+ alcohol wipes. I eventually resorted to using my fingernails at the end. Remarkably the northbridge die survived unscathed.
It is a thermal brick
8:58 So you’re saying that due to the cars the card can’t keep up and it may be a _driver_ related issue... 👀
As a car guy I really appreciate this one
@@the_motherfucker r/ihavereddit
hehe, dad joke, and i understood it and chuckled a little :D
From the time when "GTX" wasn't the series, but the suffix meaning the highest in it's bracket above stuff like GT, GTS and GS
The 9800 GTX+ was also rebranded into the GTS 250 btw.
Shows how big of a leap 200 series was.
and when FX was a geforce series
You are correct.
Omg that was my card until 2011 :0
I still have a GTS 250 on my shelf, and it is still working.
I used this card from February 2009, for about 200 USD, and used it until 2018, when I got a 1080. Initially it had a 3 year warranty, but EVGA later offered 10 years warranty for it. Though I mainly bought it because of PhysX, if I had known PhysX would become what it is today (irrelevant), I would have probably bought something else. Still, it hold it's ground for almost 10 years, happy customer. Perfect card!
Do something on the GTX 285, it idles at 200w
really bro?? 200 Watts. Damn
@SemperFidelis2006 ok so your youtube display pic moves.
I bought a GTX 260 c216 and a GTX 285 in a combo deal from a friend. Sold the 285 because I couldn't keep it cool. 260 c216 was 95% performance with 50% the heat. Bizarre.
Other times, impressive
Many many moons ago I had 3 bfg 285s in tri sli.... What a disaster that was 😂
Honestly surprised how well this old girl did, I seen so many variants of the gt 8000 series chug hard on GTA V and here this card is, flipping them all the middle finger.
Well its basically a refresh of 8800 Gtx ultra on smaller and more efficent node.
@@shadowguardian3612 No. The 9800GTX was just a higher clocked 8800GTS G92, and this is just a higher clocked die shrink of that. G92 is quite different than G80 on the 8800GTX.
I can't believe how well these hold up. My second GPU ever was a 8800 GTS 320MB and I was using this for years before finally building a new system. Unfortunately I sold it last year, as you put it there's still quite a high price associated with the 8800 cards. I did pick up a HD 4870 512MB for a fiver a couple of days ago so will be giving that a bash soon - it will be interesting to see how they compare!
Still use this card, an evga with the nice heatsink/fan it came with. Total powerhouse for it's time. It was a 250gts if you overclocked it if I remember correctly and was a hell of a lot cheaper. Crushes Fear on high settings with an x2 and ddr 400 without overclocking. It handles everything 2014 or so and prior.
Civ 5 is a "relatively new strategy game"? It is 10 years old. 2 years less than the card. I hope a card can handle a title that came out only 2 years after the cards release.
I really like these videos. They're amusing, informative and pretty damn good. I learned how to clean, put together my pc, overclock and many things just from your channel. Good job mate
Yeas, the 9800GTX+ ! Back in late 2010 to early 2011 I was running a second hand Q6600/x48 machine with two eVGA 9800GTX+ cards in SLI. I can remember being disappointed when I found out GTA IV didn't support SLI. I sold the cards in late 2011 to a guy who said he wanted to get three of them in SLI and watercool them to play Battlefield 3. I'm still curious how that turned out...
Anyhow, great vid! The card seems to have held up quite reasonably just like the the other iterations of this Tesla chip.
Thanks, your videos are one of the few things worthy of taking up my time.
u should do a series about forgotten but still capable GPUs!
isn't that the entire point of this channel?
I never see him review gpu's like old fire pro those cards are interesting.
@@jjaze9831 or old Tesla line. The K series are still great especially if you need a proper 10-bit output.
@@jjaze9831 But apparently most of those old workstation GPUs are still expensive, considering this guy mostly bought things from sub-$10 category.
@@hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086 yeah here in ph
Some of them are like $200 but some I found around $35.
So glad you're putting out more videos again.
Nice video, I find satisfying and calming watching your videos in this oven of the days.
8800 gtx reminds me of the polaris rx 480, new architecture with a new node.
9800 gtx is like the rx 580
and this 9800gtx+ is like the rx 590. same architecture but a smaller node.
if only it performed a 590....
i like your simcity music! thank you for the content! as a kid in highschool the 8800 ultra and the GTx280 were the cards i always wanted and thought id never be able to afford.
simcity music never gets old. nice video!
And they found out later it actually could settle with one 6 pin ;)
The OC capability might be better in the 9800 GTX+ over the GTS 250.
The other day I was able to get my hands on one of those, made by Asus. As often happens with the older cards, it needs to be serviced and the thermal paste and pad needs to be replaced. Looking forward to testing it in games, so big thanks for making this video!
I have a GT120 with 1GB of VRAM and mine can barely play WaW, and you can play GTA V.
Nice...
What settings in WaW?
As I have said time and time again. VRAM =/= Performance
Yeah, I know, it's still pretty bad tho...
@@MozrowDrops medium at slightly under 720p.
Isn't that card also available for the old mac pro ?
I hear simcity 4 in the background, nice choice of bg music :D
Funny story: I actually used to use one of these after my dad gave me it, and, surprisingly, i still have it today (i dont use it anymore obviously). Twas an EVGA card and it apparently only had one 6pin connector
You always find something to surprise us :D
SimCity 4 music threw me off, I'm listening to this video and playing SimCity 4 lol
i had a GTX 9800 back in the day , was cool until the day i tried playing Hitman Absolution on it, man ! she couldn't handle it in most crowded levels, memory limitation , but other than that this cards was worthy the investissement.......but because of Hitman i replaced her with a GTX 660 ...and yes , i had her for almost 6 years , and she served me well ...but man !going from a 9800 to a 660 was like night and day!
@Dalle Smalhals and they left kepler with no extra optimization now. Sad really, as theyre quite capable actually
@Dalle Smalhals add game devs pushing new features and wont bother to optimize for older cards. Look at Doom Eternal for example. Its weird seeing there is no huge outrage over it. I know it ran well on AMD cards, but come on thid is gameworks bullshittery taken into the next level
I love the SC4 music in the intro!
Great video, thanks! I recently put together a sempron 1250le with a 8500 gt and 8800 gts, still pretty good.
Isn't it the same card as the GTS 250 ?
Yes it is!
Dat Sim City 3000 music in the background! Ah yis!!
nice, i managed to find this video when it was uploaded after 3 minutes
14 minutes for me. Cool!
Ok.
I'm still rocking EVGA 9800 GTX+ on xeon w3565 16gb 1600mhz triple channel XD great to see this card coming up on this channel loved it, btw i get around 158 fps in csgo 1600 x 1200 and it hardly drops at 80fps. Though mine is quite a lot overclocked, and my temps really doesn't exceed 70c.
very great informational video
"What was it"?
A perfect topic for an amazing BBO video
:) Stay safe!
Cool video! Haha... Better than my integrated graphics.
I had a Asus 9800GTX+ dark knight, upgraded from 7300gs, damn It was a good card
Lol the “Pixelated” lighting @ 3:48
My first card was an EVGA version of this exact card back in like 2010, and let me tell you that meant I had the best PC among all my friends for quite a few years.
Budget builds official in 2032: Today we are going to look back at the RTX 2080 ti, the forgotten flagship....
At that point we may have quantum computing at home, who knows.
got one of those still. quite a nice card for a retro build.
I have twin EVGA 9800 GTX+ cards sitting on a shelf collecting dust along with the SLI bridge. Last blower cooler cards I ever used and they worked great for years.
3:00 That`s some concrete evidence you got there :D
I love your channel
Something not mentioned, having had numerous 8 series cards, they all need 100mV bump on core volts and they run 100+ MHz faster without even blinking.
Ah man, I had a GTS 250 that i picked up for like 50 bucks in 2011, I picked it up as a physx card that I used alongside my Radeon 6950, and then just kept it as a spare card. Honestly as a backup card it was solid for years, floating around from build to build when i needed more grunt than a basic display adapter.
Shoutout to 13y/o me when I bought a 9800 for my Inspiron 530 and couldn't figure out how to install it so we just sold it lmao
I had a 8800GTS and a 9800GTX. Those were so great at the time. I remember running stuff like Crysis on those.
I have a Geforcr 8800gts I found in a Mac. Haven't had a chance to actually put it to use yet, but this makes me want to. Does this one take a PcIe power cable or no? Wasn't sure gow much that node shrink helped power consumption lol.
ahhh nostalgia blast! 2008 was the first year i got seriously into modern computer hardware and this gpu was the hottest new thing at the time. I remember lusting after an SLI rig with these baddies to run CoD World at War maxed out in full HD. Meanwhile the phat ps3 was doing very well in it's own right to completely enthrall my 14 year old self :)
the g9000 series are some of my faves . especially on the laptop scene i had two 1gb models and man they were awesome
Should have used that new fancy texture streaming feature in cs go
I had two watercolor with ful copper blocks in sli and a 9600gt doing only physx crysis was buttery smooth
Nice video mate, waiting for a another live stream of yours as i have tech based questions to ask you about... again -POTTU98
Might be streaming some Fable Anniversary tomorrow
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial that would be brilliant, around the same time as before?
Id imagine so 👍
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial excellent, i hope to talk to you tomorrow, good night
I used to love my 8800gtx, handled battlefield 2 (2005) like champ. Wow I'm getting old 😖
I have my PNY GTX 9800+ I pulled from a Asus Striker Extreme 1 build I picked up in 2014. Guy finally retired his 2008 - 2009 build it was a very nice build but all I wanted was that GPU. Did end up parting out the components from that build to people who needed them or wanted them at least.
I had a 9800GTX+ That died on me after like 3 years of mild use. Not only that pretty much, anyone I know who had 8k and 9k series cards had to replace them at one point because it died for no reason. That pile of cards you showed, I have one such pile too, and there are a lot of 8k and 9k cards that I have to throw out because they have died. The 285 I got in 2010, is still alive in the computer I sold to a friend, while the 970 I got 5 years ago to replace the 285, is still going strong.
I had a water cooled 9800gtx back in the day paired with a core 2 extreme had alot of fun with that rig
What a museum for those top end(of their respective age) hardware :D
I still use a zotac 610i running both Windows 98 and Windows Xp. This is not a dual boot system. However i decided to go with an Acard 9010 ddr ram ssd. The drive is only 32gb and only 27gb useable but when you are using software everything seems instant. It also allows for backup of the installed os, on a 32gb flash card. So i turned my pc into something from the 80s, being i install only certain programs on different flash cards making it like a cartridge system :)
Finaly someone includes BeamNG in his benchmarks (That Game itselve is a made high demanding benchmark xD)
Computers are amazing. No matter how old they get, most still have uses. Mainly older games and emulation. And before that, DOS and native games.
And can you do a video on HD 7570 1GB GDDR5 (NOT DDR3 VERSION!)? It's one of the best value low-end cards.
One of my first GPUs I've used and could say owned. Got it from a friend who had upgraded, but I didn't buy it, but rather he loaned it to me.
Anyway, paired with the Celeron G1840, this GPU let me play GTA IV. V and Mafia 2 on my own PC for the first time, and I remember it dearly for that :)
I had the 9800 GTX+ superclocked in SLI. It worked amazing for quite a few years.
I'm genuinely impressed how well this ancient graphics card did on some very respectable titles
Oh wow, I didn't expect to see some Banished gameplay here.
This was my first ever dedicated GPU. When I got it it was already years old, but considering I was in high school with no job and little money, for my first ever PC build it did just fine.
To go from playing TF2 at 480p at not even a full 30fps at times to running at the game maxed out at 1080p at 60fps was insane for me.
The GTX+ was also known as the GTX KO, I have one with each branding from EVGA. IIRC they switched from the KO to the plus designator but I could have that backwards.
When you have a oc'ed 6900xt and a 4k monitor but get almost more joy out of this than gaming in 2021.
What was the axe in the Fable footage ?
I own a Gigabyte variant of the standard 9800GTX. Just wondering though, should I get a second 9800GTX and run it in SLI, or take a risk and get a HD 4850?
hi again. i did find out my cpu was thermal throttling. in fact, it was thermal throttling at idle with nothing running! and, i am currently underclocking it down to 2.3 ghz, which achieved me a way better frame rate.
now, though, i have a question: whats the best agp 8x graphics card that supports dx9 or dx10? i have an athlon running at 1 ghz (i have no idea what athlon it is exactly, but i think its the same socket as another athlon that runs at 3.6 ghz. the socket is 462 or A, i believe) and have 512 mbs of ram on it, however im planning to stuff another 512 mbs or get 2 1gb sticks running at 400 mhz. is it even worth it to upgrade it? maybe it could be better to just track down the case and motherboard and buy the same exact parts i dont want to replace and leave this one untouched.
i also did try putting an ati radeon 9250 into it, as an upgrade to finally put the geforce2 mx400 into a box to collect dust, but it sadly seems to be dying, with artifacts everywhere :(.
The GTS250 was the exact same card. Used to have one. Some people would flash GTS250 bioses on the 9800gtx+
I got a XFX 9800GTX+ for my first gaming pc with a Core 2 Duo E6600. Still have it with the box retired on my shelf.
I had one of these, it was great for its time.
that MC pack is lovely! what's it called?
good night, man!
I played crysis on a friends pc at the time i think he had this graphic card, it was amazing at time!
I had a 8800GTS and playing HD videos caused it to stutter. I remember trying to run Heroes 6 and it struggled on low. Darksiders ran on AMD x1600 but was unplayable on the 8800GTS.
I had 2 XFX 9800+ in SLI back in the day them where the DAYS!!!
Got a 768 mb version of the 9800 gtx+ here with a reference cooler, does surprisingly well for what it is at 720p or 1366x768 in borderlands 2.
Unfortunately not the OEM-BlowerStyle silver-black Design, nur still im very Happy that this Card get's some Attention. ITS the Last of the old Generation Nvidia GPU's (pre280 era).
Also funny Story, Back in 2014 i bought a prebuild PC With a 4700k and a Radeon 8950OEM. Nur in desparately wanted a Nvidia GPU because... Im a Green fanboy. Anyway, i bought a 9800gtx+ for 15€. Needless to say It defenetly was powerful, but for me i was disapointed. 3 months after i bough my gtx480 OEM and that beast was more packed With Power. But unless my 480, my 9800gtx+ and my radeon8950 both are still working. (The 9800 paired With a C2Q 8200 3.0ghz oc)...
Anyways great Video, and a fair review of a Legendary piece of Nvidia History.
this is the first ever graphics card i bought in 2010 lasted me until 2014 since it had no dx11
I used my 9800 GTX+ for many years (until I finally upgraded to a GTX 970) and it was pretty handy. I remember I could play Tomb Raider (2013) at 1080p Medium/High settings at 60 fps.
I remember the 9800GTX+. I had an EVGA card. I later sold it to my brother and he still has it. It's his emergency "Aw, crap!" card. It's been put back into service at least once when his then current GPU died.
I used a 8600 GTS for a long while back in the day. I'm surprised to find out that that generation of card was so disliked. The card still sits quite happily in a friends office PC where the only time it stretches its legs these days is to play Rome: Total War or The Battle for Middle-Earth.
Got a pair of 8800&9800, as well.
Waiting to build some retro pc.
I had a 9800 GTX+. I also had a GTS 250, which I learned was a re-badged 9800 GTX+. I tried to re-flash the 9800 GTX+ so I could SLI it with the GTS 250. The re-flash worked, SLI did not...
One of the cards I used for the longest. It died playing the alpha of Rift
I still have my msi9600gt, was quite the mid-range bang for buck powerhouse back in the day, after that the Fermi gtx 470 was a big performance leap upgrade for me
Your cleaning of the card fired up my OCD because you missed a lot of spots
I mean. I have two of these GTX+. They work to this day, both have 512mb. Worked in SLI at the time.
Both were replaced with a 285 GTX+ With a gig of ram a couple years later.
wow, i just finish watch first AMD Radeon 2800XT from this channel and this shows up
I had one of the 9800tg 512mb it would run anything back then when i was just coming from a Radeon HD2900.
Bought one of these with my first pay cheque, a Palit version. Ran across some memory issue with the Source engine and ended up having to change video card, think I went to a 8800 GS after that.
The times with the GTX 9800 Super Super OC cards and fine names in that maner. Everything super mega ultra OC. and GTX+ and GT and GTX and GTS(?)
Still running off of a GTX470 (Was running 2 but they both crapped out a few months ago). Will eventually have to invest in a new rig, but when it comes to tech I tend to want to run it into the ground.
1:39 i fully expect you to just Start Blasting it with a Garden hose now pushing it across the stone. wreklessly then taking a STEEL wirebrush to it.... lol gg
waiting for my rx 570 to be reviewed by someone in 10 years time
I got a Radeon card from around 2000 when they were still good 512mgb of DDR2 VRAM