Real Pilot Story: Ambushed by Ice
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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Description: For Dean Clark, the flight was old-hat: a familiar route, a trusted airplane, and no serious weather in the forecast. But that didn’t keep him from picking up enough ice to nearly bring down his Cessna 182. Climb in the right seat as he recounts the tale of his unexpected struggle in ice-filled clouds, and review some critical facts before venturing anywhere near ice.
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Holy mother of pearl. He was basically ba flying popsicle. 🤯
Great story and skill, was surprised that in the lessons learned didn't mention to DECLARE an EMERGENCY. Its telling that even an ATC didn't declare .
Years ago, dad and I flew to Tennessee one time in January in our Bellanca Turbo Viking, the weather was clear, we were always aware of icing but had no problem, my dad was a very careful pilot.
Is that Morgan Freeman narrating? 👌
truth: no.
Yes it's Morgan Freeman narrating. He is a pilot too.
@OBServe Garage It is him. Here he is on another aviation video:
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Ambushed by ice...no, not that kind of ICE!
Plane is not equipped with any anti icing equipment. Let me see I'm going to go fly when it's -8°f. light snow and flurries. Wow.....the intelligence that took wa astonishing. assuming that it's too cold for anything other than solid precip was nothing more than a stupid assumption best to not even consider flying in those conditions
A testament to how well the Skylane is designed. Incredible the plane didn’t stall. Good piloting as well.
Really? Good piloting? Good piloting also includes good decision making. He got plenty of warnings and ignored them. He got lucky, period.
In the final part of the video, when they list the safety recommendations (where they mention, for example, that if you encounter ice you should turn the AP off and leave the flaps up), they ommit what is perhaps the most important thing to remember after "don't get into icing" failed:
==>> KEEP YOUR SPEED UP, consider the stall speed to be much (and I mean MUCH) higher than normal
1- Ice can add a lot of weight which so you will need more lift to cancel weight and more lift means more speed at a given AoA (including stall AoA) , thus increasing your stall speed.
2- Ice spoils the nice airfoil shape (especially the leading edge), which makes it stall at a much lower AoA and reducing by much the maximum lift coefficient the wing can generate. Again, lower lift coefficient, means you will need more speed to generate the necessary lift.
3- Unfortunately, the added weight also means added induced drag, and the spoiling of the smooth surfaces mean added parasitic drag, so even at full power it may be impossible to keep a speed WAY above normal stall speed while at the same time maintaining the altitude.
4- In that case, PRIORITIZE SPEED OVER ALTITUDE. Because prioritizing altitude will make you lose speed and if you stall your iced airplane (maybe 20 knots faster than normal stall) you are going to lose altitude much faster, so it's not a good way to prioritize altitude.
5- Again, PRIORITIZE SPEED even if that means you have to descend and land off-field. If get slow and stall your iced airplane you are not going to make it to the runway anyway.
6- Fly the final approach, flare and touch down MUCH FASTER than you normally would, or you may risk a stall. Use pitch as an indication of AoA.
Remember: The loss of control in icing conditions happen mostly because of premature stall, typically asymmetrical, and subsequent spin
BUT EVEN A BRICK CAN GENERATE LIFT IF THE SPEED IS HIGH ENOUGH AND THE ANGLE OF ATTACK IS LOW ENOUGH.
I own a 182. It is the only airplane I have ever wanted. It is a great aircraft and a solid design, but I am very, very careful about flying in clouds in the winter. If I cannot descend out of the clouds to above-freezing temperatures, I simply don't go because you can figure and figure and get data coming out your ears, but you do NOT REALLY KNOW if there is ice in the clouds until you fly them. Cuts my utility somewhat, but it's worth it.
The commentator said the pilot "was lucky." Maybe. But hearing him narrate the story, it also sounds like he was very proficient in this airplane and did not panic when the situation went bad. His brain did not lock up and he continued to make decisions. Well done. Yes, you had help, but in reality you saved yourself.
No single piston is a “commuter plane”
Twin piston or single turbine with pressurization and FIKI is a minimum... and you’ll still have days you can’t make it.
I would buy a twin of some sort if I had the money for a plane. And its between a Baron 58 or DA42 Twinstar as my dream machine. The 172 is what Im currently learning on but the disadvantages of it outweigh the advantages imo.
-No ice protection
-relatively low useful load
-slow
-RG versions have weak landing gear
-Very hard to get out if you cant slide the seat backwards (and Im young and thin)
-cant see much above you being a highwing
Unbelievable. This is guy is lucky to be alive.
Lucky or very experienced?
Amazing photos of the craft on the ground.
@@johndoyle4723 Definitely lucky. Even the most experienced pilot doesn't possess the capacity to see thru 2 inches of ice while flyin,,,, never mind landing..
Honestly I didn't even know the wings could still generate lift after this much icing, wouldn't the ice build up on top of the wings before going on the windshield? I thought ice was dangerous because it would build up in the air pockets that generate lift on top of the wings, or maybe he had a different type of ice..
F***ing amazing piloting skills.
DO declare an emergency-IMMEDIATELY.
DON’T continue-Get out of icing, IMMEDIATELY.
Ice is where you find it-if you find it, GET OUT OF IT-NOW.
but how the hell do you know where to go to get out of the ice?
@@AureliusR Well, you might try going back to where you just flew from. Think about it: You weren’t in the ice, and then you are…seems obvious that if you turned around you’d be out, right? But if you want to continue toward destination, you must climb, or descend, or turn to a divert heading. The point is, Do Something….don’t just continue in icing conditions and hope that your ice protection equipment can keep up with the ice accumulation.
Wow, it's amazing this plane didn't just fall out of the sky with that much icing. These 182's are tough little birds to keep flying with that much ice on it. Great job pilot for saving yourself and the aircraft from this horrible situation. If someone would show me a Cessna 182 loaded up with ice like his was and say a pilot just landed that few minutes ago i would not believe it.
A testament to the utter aerodynamic brilliance of the Cessna 182.
Impressive! Flying with such a huge load of ice, with no visibility whatsoever, and still making a successful landing on ILS alone without ever seeing the runway! Reminds me of a similar situation described in Ernest Gann's "Fate Is the Hunter", where his DC-3 (with a full load of passengers, too) entered unexpected icing conditions and picked up several tons of ice, and the pilots (Gann and Hughen -- Gann was the copilot) managed to save the plane against all odds! But speaking strictly for myself, if I was in the same situation, I'd have diverted to the nearest ILS-equipped airport, asked for vectors to final, and that's that.
IKR? I think if I spent 8 hours a day practicing ILS approaches, I still don't think I'd ever have the skill to shoot an approach below minimums!
He is so lucky to be alive. Dont even understand how plane managed to fly. His experience definitely played a major role
Thank you Air Safety Institute for preparing these safety videos, everyone them is valuable lesson for rest of us. Please keep sending them and keep the good work going.
Abolish ice
Geofry Lawton You, sir, have won the internet today.
Ok that was funny.
We should build a wall around it on all aircraft!!
Defund ICE lol.
DEFUND THE ICE!!! ✊🚫
This is the very first comment out of 2,000 views in 9 months? Not one of these AOPA pilots dare to cheer this pilot for doing this feat of aviation? An iced up, no front view blind but perfect ILS on an invisible snow covered runway. Are these pilots just envious pricks? Are pilots very good people or self centered arrogant hawks? Why do they say so many bad things about small plane pilots? Are we hawks or good birds? Sometimes I'm ashame of so many bad pilots that put each other down while they are just as bad or worse. Dam fake finicky flyers, Most of us can't do what this man did.
CHEERS TO YOU SIR. FROM A 7K BUSH PILOT and aerobatic CFI. THAT IS A FEAT OF AVIATION BEEN ABLE TO LAND IN THOSE IMPOSSIBLE CONDITIONS.
I haven't seen the video until now, but I second you in applauding this pilot's flying skills! Ernie Gann would've been proud!
I am not a pilot but just an interested layman. From what I've observed in the comment section pilots are as you said; self centered arrogant hawks.
After viewing this story I came down to read the list of compliments to this pilot. And saw your's as the top post. I wasn't surprised.
You were a lot nicer 4 years ago. Shame you didn't take your own advice considering our own little conversation regarding "the impossible turn".
I agree. Very finicky. Very ironic.
Amazed me. He did wonderful job. If he panic my guess his chances dropped like 75% less. But in that area well even in south anti-icing equipment worth its weight in gold when you happen to need it.
He was on instruments in a slow ass airplane.
Also increase your approach speed, as your stall speed has increased considerably!
I want to thank the AOPA Safety Institute or these informative videos. I am currently a Student Pilot with 20 plus hours of total time which was accumulated years ago and have recently got back into flying. I have learned more from the institute and these videos then I ever learned from my previous instructor years ago. Thank you for posting these and offering the WINGS credit and the AOPA Safety Institute Credit.
This was a testament to a great aircraft and very skilled pilot.
Skills! He did a really good job. I hope I can save my save myself if I ever get caught in a nasty situation like this! Very impressed
FLY THE AIRPLANE! love it...well done
So glad you made it. Great great job. No vis landing IFR in a snowstorm with an aircraft covered in ice.
Amazing story, pilot and plane!
The more interesting question is, what was the condition that enabled him staying in the sky.
Always leave yourself an out when you deal with ice. You don’t know your increase in stall speed. To keep your speed up you generally have to add power. That increases your fuel consumption. When first you get ice accumulation it is time to deal with it
In straight words - It's good example how IFR skills may save your life.
Does he have de icing equipment now or did he move to Florida? 😂
-23 deg Celsius would close airport's in the UK.
Over and over again in these excellent videos, pilots just avoid calling an emergency. Why? Is it ego, narrow scoping, denial.....? It must frustrate the heck out of ATC.
You aren't a pilot.
It's easy to Monday morning quarterback these situations.
When you're active and in the moment, you don't always know the extent of your problem. You do right now because you already know the outcome, but the pilots don't yet. Also, they also want to take some time to gather all pertinent information and try certain measures and see the response before declaring an emergency.
You can't judge their actions (or inactions) until you're in the moment as they were.
The video title is a bit misleading. Did the ice come to the pane; or, did the pilot take the plane to the ice?
No, we(pilots) usually watch these videos on the Aopa web site . Pilots like all the other human categories are good and bad people, the license is just to fly not to became a better person overall.....
"on the ground it was minus 10 Farenheit" ????? Surely they mean Celcius? -10F is -23C.
Minus 10 Fahrenheit is not unusual for Wisconsin in the winter. It gets *cold* in the Midwest. That's one of the reasons I left Illinois for the Pacific Northwest. I'll take 40 degrees and rain any day.
I grew up in Northern Wisconsin and Minnesota and we had a few winters get down to -40F/C. It does get cold there.
Wow! That story, and accompanying pictures, are amazing.
This is a very disturbing story. General aviation [ light single and multi engine ] aircraft are not suitable for operation in icing conditions and I feel certain that this described encounter was not, of the most severe icing accumulation that one can encounter in icing conditions. alwaysl use good judgement and allow a daunting forecast to become a check on your travel plans. "Catch as Catch can" is not a good strategy for safe operation.
Talk about balls of steel. This guy has major skill.
Very inspiring. The pilot definitely chose the right airplane for his commuting. The harsh winter weather in Wisconsin keeps most pilots on the ground. His skill, experience, and equipment succeeded in getting him to his destination. He used all of his skills and never panicked. I'm a little surprised he didn't declare an emergency, but he knew how to use the ATC system to his benefit. These AOPA safety videos are very valuable information.
We can land rovers on Mars, but humans haven’t devised cost-effective de icing solutions for ALL light aircraft? Battery powered heating elements for entire wing surfaces, struts and propeller? I thought necessity was the mother of invention.
I flew a new 172 from Strother to Mid Continent on a ice day. Tested it for time enroute then got it cooked in the heated hanger. Flew the IFR shorty trip and got expected ice. Great experience! CFIA&I. Seeing your pictures you were too close to dead!
You where lucky you where light & in a C182, a C172 wouldn't have fared well at all. SE IMC at night, no thanks!:-)
Wow. Good job, Mr. Clark. Scary situation. That 182 can sure fly in nasty conditions.
A little surprised not to see the (rather expensive) Cessna cowl winterization kit installed.
Amazing story!Thanks for sharing!Thank God the pilot had the luck and the witts to escape….In mountainous terraian,the ending would have been very different.From my years of cross country Ifr and Vfr as an instructor in the US,I learnt that general aviation planes are not meant for Ifr,no matter what deicing means they have.You just get heavier and heavier,and down you go.No extra power available to gain speed,add gigh terrain…and you are history.Low level icing forecasts are like bitcoins:nobody knows where they actually are.Even with turboprops with boots,it sometimes get scary in wintertime.Safe flights to you all!Greetings from Spain.
I've got a lot of time in the 182. That's a wonderful plane, and as you've also seen as I have, it will carry a TON of ice. Had you been in many comparable aircraft, no doubt they wouldn't have carried the ice like the 182 did. Nice job.
Even though he was a light plane couldnt he have deiced before he left surrly airfield had facilities yo deice his iwn plsne or in winter move plane to a main airport, dont leave maps in bsck seat id be reluctant to walk outside in ice so i woulfnt drive in thst situation, if i could drive im disabled i can't ,very mentally ill
The hand of God protected this man
Then when a small plane with the wife and kids in it crashes, where was this God of yours??
This narrator for AOPA could honestly be described as an American David Attenborough
Barely considered going back or stopping enroute. Apparently it was destination or death. How is this an example of what a pilot should do?
All this cheering of the pilot's skill is wrong. Being a good pilot means making good decisions. When a controller starts questioning your decisions and alerts you of weather ahead, he should have thought for a second. Then once iced over, he got the get there itis, and said "theres no going around" despite being dangerously low on the approach and going to take it down to 100'. Rationalization is very dangerous and about killed this guy and worst yet by hearing his recounting I cant tell if he really learned his lesson.
Ice MY WORSE ENEMY!!
MAYDAY
this has me rethinking my view on guardian angels!
The pictures at the beginning make me nervous.
Nice one❤! Evan the ads lol, hope Bill is still doing well, coming upon winter in the northern hemisphere 😅
I hope he gave GOD a 👍🙏 after he saw how close he was to being a statistic.
Oh.. THAT ice.
Oh, i thought Immigration and Customs Enforcement actually ambushed an innocent pilot
I didn't think you could pick up icing like that at sub-zero F temps.
sugershakify besides clear ice, the other two types normally occur 10-15'C below freezing. Also in the video he stated that temps were so warm that it would have just melted off and he was waaay wrong on that.
Dude is a stone cold flyer. Pun intended.
Oh man, that's a good job
Holy hell, amazed to hear this man’s voice after seeing the plane
I didn't hear him say anything about using alternate air? seeing those pictures I can imagine much air would be getting to the engine with the intake covered in ice
It's a 182. They are carbureted engines with no alternate air other than the carb heat.
That IS the alternate air. A flapper valve changes the carburetor intake to another hose that pulls hot air from around the muffler. It does not come through the air filter, which itself can clog with ice.
He encountered SLD Supercooled Large Droplet icing. Not even FIKI equipped airplanes are approved for flight into SLD. SLD forecasting has become much better. Love my TKS Mooney Ovation but SLD is still a no go! Glad he lived to tell his story!
He was actually flying a Cinder block .. He is the luckiest man in America ...
I got iced over Valdez Alaska. Running out of ideas of what to do, a wonderful sucker hole appeared through 10,000 feet of clouds. Rudder and aileron later, I landed with 2” of rime ice. One happy camper.
Inch and a half of ice on windshield?
Wow - must have descended at 100+ knots, else that wing would have stalled - that was some nasty looking ice! Good for him on not trying to hold altitude and then losing control.
Kudos to plane and pilot for dodging this bullet. Gr8 plane and professional pilot. (BTW, nice wisconsin accent ;-)
Very similar situation happened to me. Taking a student from DPA (SW of Ohare) to Milwaukee and back. Flight up there was fine and on the way back a front moved in. Because of ORD departures I was given an altitude that forced me in to the clouds until I got to my ILS at DPA. It wasn’t as bad as his, but scary as hell with handfuls of ice.
I can imagine an ATC commuting to his workplace by plane and being to his predecessor shift like "Funnily enough, I'm about to land at my workplace" after he gets cleared to land.
Exactly, guys, this thing was not supposed to fly with so much ice on it!. Super lucky!
He did a nice job of flying and he was lucky but I question his decision not declaring an emergency and asking fo vectors to Janesville which was a few miles away. He could have asked for the localizer frequency or gotten an ASR approach.
Wow. What a fortunate outcome. Hard to believe that bird was flying at all. 182 is a great airframe.
Wow!! I suspect your skilled flying and to just fly the plane played a major part in getting you on the ground in one piece but you should have called an emergency.
MSN is my home base. W/ that airspeed & ice, you were lucky u didn't stall!
Love these videos , could you possibly increase the volume a bit ?
If he had anyone else in that plane with him he would have been dead. Keeping your weight down in a plane is crucial for flight. A passenger probably would have push him over the edge
That was a bad day to fly, I would`ve waited it out. Good landing.
Very lucky pilot
Why not Minot lol
Holy shit.
THE WORLDS GREATEST AVIATOR ! ...this guy must have cahones The size of bowling balls !
World's greatest aviator would have diverted and landed. Not continue and accumulate more ice while simultaneously traveling to a more urbanized area.
good thing he was ifr rated and that is one good plane!
Nearly a very skilled pilot
How do Boeings and Airbuses avoid ice? They constantly fly through clouds and icing, and the de-icing only works when the ice is 6-12mm thick.
They have the power and service ceiling to climb up and out of it, generally. And the de-icing systems, though not perfect, buy you time to get out of the really bad stuff.
That's a shitload of ice!
Scary stuff!
:-o
Amazing story.
I dont know why people are scared or to dumb to declare an emergency. Other than that.. Job well done to get that rig on the deck safely mate
You'd have to be a pilot (which you aren't) and be in a situation like that to understand why.
How about heated windshields and side glass for all aircraft as well?
I think it’s an option for some models.
Abolish ICE
Ambushed by ICE?
Maybe they should've crossed legally :D
Nice flying
I thought this was going to be about illegal immigration...
Ha. I think that situation would probably be worse.
Such faith in aircraft powered by turbans seems, at best, unwarranted. They are after all, just long lengths of fabric used to wrap the head for religious reasons. I suppose one might press one into service as an emergency-expedient pulley belt, if correctly trimmed to size and appropriately knotted smoothly to form a continuous loop. But this would seem to be the limit for their use in engines - certainly *NOT* as a power source.
Narrator says "toward the weather" when he meant, "toward snowy weather." It is grammatically wrong to use the term "weather" to mean "bad weather." Weather is a comprehensive term like "air." You have to describe it specifically.
No they don't. In aviation terminology, "the weather" is almost universally used to describe unfavorable conditions such as clouds and icing, i.e. "to encounter some weather" or "flying into the weather".
Truly amazed the pilot shared this story. There were so many red flags Before you left the ground on a day with high icing potential. Please learn from your mistakes to keep us all safe.
yea, fine blaming the pilot but also blame the factory for not equiping the aircraft with some form of de-icing.
That was the first thing that came in to my mind.
Nathan Reid its the pilot's responsibility to know if the plane is certified for icing and if not to stay out of it
You guys scratch that seconds from disaster itch.
without the overdone dramatic sound effects and commercial breaks!