LEGION: Is It Deep or Dumb? - Wisecrack Edition
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The final season of FX's series, Legion, was undeniably weird. But was there a deeper meaning embedded in the bizarre musical numbers or the messy time travel snafus? Let's find out in this Wisecrack Edition on Legion: Is It Deep or Dumb?
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Absurd. This show brought me to somewhere else completely. Beautiful, cinematic, absolutely amazing storyline, characters, character outfits, set design, directing. I’m so sad for those who didn’t appreciate its uniqueness. Every “show” should be as unique and beautifully handcrafted, emotionally stirring and illuminating as this one ever was
You're right and this guy knows it. He made this video to try and sound smart. This is a great show, don't some hack turn you away from it.
Bro it's a narrative mess you like it because it's confusing and they spoon feed you answers later making you feel smart. The show tried to play with morality and psychology but they fail to have any nuance. I've made better story lines with improv man. The themes are a mess. Is it cinematically compelling? Sure, it had nice moments but as it dragged on it just becomes a scramble of conflicting themes and concepts.
I think Logan and Morthul are both right. The show can be really smart at times, but also is a bit of a mess narratively other times.
I completely agree , legion is basically the art and I loved it
Lol “unique” doesn’t mean good, yes the show is unique, but it’s also a convoluted mess with horrible writing, if you think a show where two characters go from “hi” to “I love you” in the blink of an eye is somehow “good” I don’t even know what to say
My takeaway was that it was an exploration of mental disfunction. Schizophrenia, codependancy, depression, dissociation, obsessive compulsion, with each character representing a mental illness or insanity. Season 3 is then about healing
That's beautiful ❤️
You can make things happen when you're insane. But also when you're sane
Yes!
I disagree. I feel like the 'mental illness' was just a cover for the real message of the show. Which is, if you have God-like power, you would inevitably become evil.
Legion, like many of my favorite things seemed to be a fully self aware blend of deep AND dumb.
Also, the music in this show was fantastic
King Mob Exactly.I've been hoping & requesting for a Wisecrack video on the show since S1😂
Chance I have, it’s great.
Anything Grant Morrison inspired is a must for me.
Can’t wait for the invisibles!!
@Chance Doom patrol is freaking awesome, we need more of that weird storytelling
Not to mention Legion as Jemaine from Flight of the Conchords do some musical bits, like his rap battle. which is just the best, also Doom Patrol was also an amazing show, how many other shows have a guy flex his muscles to accidentally telepathically give a gay sentient street an orgasm (and other people but the other people aren't as funny as a street) DP and Legion are just fun entertaining shows.
@@Werewolf914 they're so underrated, people aren't into that weird television XD.
"What does it mean?"
"Nobody knows what it means...It's an experience."
Deep or dumb...Legion gave me some of the best hours of television I've ever experienced, and for that, I'm grateful.
Nobody knows what it means, but it's provocative.
It gets the people going!
So many comic book adaptations downplay what a head-trip reading comic books has been.
I don't think they meant it to be logical. It was definitely meant to be an experience, much like a trip.
It very much was an experience. A ride I was glad I went on. While I love the Marvel movies, the comic medium has so many different styles and...yes...experiences...that it's nice to see movies and TV shows embrace the flexibility of the medium they evolved from. Legion. The Boys. Watchmen. Doom Patrol. Umbrella Academy. These shows are amazing and awesome and fun...And also make the more standard fare more enjoyable as well
"I don't understand"
"Nobody does they're just faking"
Brooklyn 99
Pure truth.
Finally some talks about legion
waited for it since season 1
Underrated show I’ve only seen screenprism talk about it
TechNOGeek Reviews it’s like look up daredevil and you’ll find tons of breakdowns on how it truly is the best superhero show. But legion you find 1 video. Almost like no gives the show the chance
For real. Great show
@@brainglow_lightbright The only episode I could do without was that dumb one with Oliver and Melanie on the astral plane. It seemed too preachy and cheesy. I thought they were running out of ideas for that episode and it was filler. On the other hand, the rap battle was so-so and also the electronic cover of “Cinnamon Girl” at the end was really dope!!! I love Type O Negative!! (And yes, I have known for a very long time about the Neil Young original which is just as awesome a song!!)
Legion changed the way I look at television forever. The creativity on display in this show is insane. The progression through the battle with the Time Demons through still-frame pictures, the multiple dance battles, the rap battle, the representation of time travel through the Hall of Time, the animated psychic battle in season 2, there's just so much unique stuff to appreciate and enjoy.
I'm interested to see what Wisecrack has to say about it but I've already decided it's both Deep and Dumb and I fucking love it.
God bless Noah Hawley.
You should watch Doom Patrol if you're into that weird television
Amen
@Nathan Trujillo had a lot of fun watching it
Not only that but the lighting and color theory in this show is on such another level that no other show comes even close. Every single scene uses color and light to represent the characters psychology. Makes the red doorknob in the sixth sense look like childs play
@@amadeusmalonje8263 I like weird shit!
"A delusion start as an egg...."
Like any other ideas
“It must first crush any other, more rational ideas…”
Madness is the shows whole thing it’s a battle of mind, personality, identity and a shit ton of madness
You know that's right.
@@ja3deah I could be wrong about it but what do I know
Even when Legion has problems and narratively can be a bit of a mess, I love it for having the absolute audacity to do everything it can think of as hard as it possibly can. It actually commits to the all-out weirdness that shows like Umbrella Academy merely puppet, and if that means occasionally alienating the audience then so be it. Having the courage of convictions to make the very first episode one of the stranger and less structured specifically to warn the audience that it’s going to be VERY weird is such a rare thing in television.
Unfortunately that also means it’s not remotely surprising it did poorly. When modern television is increasingly fixated not in providing an experience so good someone has to tune in but one just inoffensive enough to not tune off, a show that is completely willing to trip over its own ambitions and alienate most of the potential audience in the pursuit of the ideal audience is almost doomed to failure.
I’m glad it exists as this strange unique thing. The things that would need to happen to make it a more popular shows would make it a boring one, and the show’s strongest trait is that it is never, ever boring.
That's a pretentious claim, umbrella academy is good it just prioritizes story. If you want more stuff like legion go to a local theatre, those are more suited for that format, but a TV show that shirks narrative continuity, depth, character motivation, and in show logic is nothing more than pretty colors on a screen with a vague continuity. Anthologies do it better, because they at least accept the lack of continuity rather than trying to hand wave it.
Doom patrol is also really good.
@@morthul5514 umbrella academy is soo cheesy in later seasons
imo cheesy bad
the first season I think hits the right amount, but the way they did the copycat power girl was too much for me
and then a lot of what happened in season 3
@@durttheelder4035 season 2 and 3 do settle into the weirdness but loose a lot of the dramatic weight. The comedy was still a plus but I felt that the character's were handled poorly: imo having Ben be killed and revived within the same episode, even if its technically a new version, is pretty silly, especially as most of the sparrows just get picked off throughout the season with only the former umbrella academy one surviving.
Increased amount of musical scenes in the last season indicates that the show doesn't claim to be that deep, it's just playing with interesting ideas and being hella entertaining
I mean it’s way deeper than wisecrack made it out to be
I will always remember fondly the Elvis Costello and Pink Floyd musical numbers in Season 3! 😁
The club dance in season 2 had a meaning to it it was a telepathic battle in the form of dance
You know not what you speak of child.
Music is very deep to me as someone who plays music and is in a music fraternity
Legion is the best show I have ever watched and it probably will remain my favorite show ever. The confusing narrative and alternate realities is what makes this show unique and a psychological treat for your mind. It gives its viewer the challenge to try to make sense of it and I have watched Legion 6 times so far and every time it hits different because of my added experience and changed perspective. This is what art is supposed to do as it does not spoon feed you the content without stimulating your creative mind but makes you imagine and feel things and this show knows how to make a superhero story painted on an artistic canvas. I loved every second of it and no other show is even near this one (at least for me). Cheers and "It's always blue".
The way I saw Legion was an examination of David's journey through trauma. From the cause of it through to resolution. Adult David HAD to drift off into the ether, otherwise, baby David couldn't grow up to be different.
Thanks for explaining that because I was very confused
I loved this show. Season 3 was incredible. It will definitely be a cult classic.
Finally a Cult Classic Group for me! Couldn't like most other "Cult" groups, For example, I just don't like, 'A Clockwork Orange" or "Rocky Horror Picture Show".
@@greenman8 Heresy!! “A Clockwork Orange” and “RHPS” FTW!! 😆🤘
Three seasons, four years and nobody cares.
@@charliechuckleberry5307 I care! 😭
@@MichaelWaisJr same
EASILY one of my favorite lines in recent TV history:
Switch: "Is that a metaphor?"
Dave: "A metaphor? No, A...Mal Farouk"
I did not catch that perfect wordplay. God this show is amazing even in the stupidest (endearing) ways
Finally some one taking about this show, it deserves more recognition.
waaaaay more
Preach!
Thanos was lucky david wasn't there
They haven't introduced any full strength reality benders to mcu. I hope they do going forward. Something that would go so far to bring down the eyes of the real marvel gods, not the Thor like "gods".
@safnhuo that's skipping a few stops. Could go with incorporating mutants finally, and lead up to Franklin Richards. Maybe boost strange and Scarlett witch.
@safnhuo He has actually made quite a few appearances, and I believe the one you are referring to actually featured Peter Parker (or some other Spider-man, I can't quite recall), not Jean Grey. There's a list of his appearences: marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Category:One-Above-All_(Multiverse)/Appearances
@@fartzinwind They did boy
By the way, Mr. Robot as recently as last month had an amazing series finale, so....you know...
YES
Lies
Casson Coutinho if you’re referring to the finale I agree. But the series as a whole was incredible
@@megamob5834 what do you have against the finale
Formal Ranger21 : it felt a little anti climatic after the previous ep
Legion is my favourite show I've ever watched and nobody ever talks about it! So glad to see someone finally talking about it!
I could see myself having liked the show if it wasn’t for the excruciating lovey dovey, obsessive romance aspect.
@@aikaterineillt9876 I think it was supposed to show an almost abusive relationship
@@aikaterineillt9876 interesting, I thought I hated romance, but I guess I'm not as crushed as you
I think the final speak between both Farouks is touching. It shows the evolution from leach to father that he has undergone and the love for his "son".
That's also beautiful ❤️
I’d love to see a fuller video on RUclips about Farouk to analyze the character knowing how ends up at the end and compared to his character from the beginning and pinpoint how he changed.
@@colinmiller6649 it's better if you see the series
Honestly, legion led me through a rough patch of my life, when the idea of change for me was full of doubt. David's last monolouge, even though simplistic, gave me somehow the power the continue living - the person u once was is a suggestion, that uselly reflects the truth, but ur future self is an almost independent entity that reflects only on itself. But more than that, the show does it with uncomparble elegance and beauty. I don't see it as metaphorical or a deep show, as it is mostly just an experiance filled to the top with emotion. An emotional ride.
In the final episode David does not 'erase' himself and Syd (as you claim at 16:02), but rather it's Switch who 'erases' them (right before she 'ascends' fully and joins her father in the 'time ocean'). Throughout season 3, Switch has been the one navigating the 'time stream' and enabling time paradoxes to occur. All the major time manipulations exact a toll on Switch because 'time' itself actively works against her, fighting (queue the time demons) to eliminate the time paradoxes and preserve timeline integrity. However, after her death as a time traveler, Switch ascends to become a physical embodiment of Time itself. She then seeks to resolve the time paradoxes created by the presence of David and the others, basically cleaning up her own mess. That's why Switch/Time is shown saying goodbye and explicitly acknowledging 'their actions had been noted' at the end, just before she erases them from the timeline.
I must say I really enjoyed Legion's portrayal of time travel (the hallway!) and the idea of having Time itself personified by entities that will actively fight to correct major timeline incursions. This concept can even eliminate the classic grandfather time travel paradox with a bit of creative thinking! If we consider a pair of timelines created by a time travel event to be (quantum) entangled time realities (similar to quantum entanglement of particles), both timelines/realities could exist simultaneously, thus negating the paradox. A 'time entity' (e.g. Switch or her father) would be required to observe/influence these entangled time realities, which would result in the collapse of their entangled state to unique individual states (existing/not existing), and thus a single final timeline.
I’m wondering if I was the only one who saw the time demons as looking like those creatures from The Beatles’ “The Yellow Submarine” when they were shown up close. I don’t know if that was on purpose but I thought it was really cool!
It's a great show with all kind of trippy things going on. Definitely on of the most unique TV series I have ever watch for sure.
I think in order to understand it properly you need to either drop a lot of acid or cut back on a lot of acid. Lol! It’s a really awesome show!!
It's cool to see so many people enjoyed this show. Whenever I bring it up no one knows what I'm talking about.. such an underrated series
The flaw I see is you guys chose to focus on the Philosophy angle, but with an entirely Western view.
What you should have done is gone with the Eastern Philosophy of Legion, cause it's basically a tale about David as Shiva from Hindu Mythology. Because Shiva is the Destroyer Of Worlds. And when you approach it from that perspective, it makes a LOT more sense.
You'll notice a pattern with these videos, if you've seen more than one.
Obsidian104 i agree completely that they have a very western philosophy based channel of videos
Could you explain that side? I'd like to hear about that
I always saw it as a story of overcoming one's own divinity and ego by opening up, realise you're not always the hero you make yourself out to be and befriending your shadow.
Could you explain?
This is the only show/movie from the series I'm going to 100% say, without a shadow of a doubt, is definitely not dumb. Is it deep? Maybe a little but it's definitely not dumb!
The entire show was a metaphor for therapy and mental illness. It became evident in the episode that dealt with Sydney growing up in the Astral plane. How did you miss this?
A metaphor? More like a massive, solid chunk of ham-fist.
It’s like trauma therapy where you go back in time in your mind to learn what you would have done differently.
The astral plane episode is what of my favorites and too see the maturity from the show and the two educate Sydney until she becomes self actualized to not take a punitive approach but instead a rehibitionist approach to how she deals with David
Like in the other show Harlee Quin when Harley rewrites her origin story that excludes the joker from it.
@@rafetizer it wad always that front the beginning. I t
Just think at first it was much more subtle and towards the end its much more blatant. When it got to dealing with the change that inevitably comes from therapy it was more cut and dry.
but is a 5/10 score not just another metaphor
HOW DO I KNOW IF I'M THE ME NOW OR IF THIS IS A MEMORY TOO I NEED TO KNOW WHATS REAL
@@Ben-rz9cf see that's a big part od legion wisecrack didn't get
Eh. I liked it. Smart or not it gets a higher score from me.
@@Ben-rz9cf I’m a dude playin’ a dude pretending to be another dude!
There was a lot of stuff about the importance of good parenting that you seemed to have missed when looking for meaning in the show. Especially in season 3 and very directly in the episode with Syd's second life.
My parents sucked and I turned out…. Whoops Nevermind. 😂
Let’s put it this way. At least I didn’t try to destroy the world. Lol!!
Legion is the best-underrated series of the 2010s.
I personally think Noah Hawley as a whole is one of the most intereting newcomers to sit behind the writer and directors chair.
Legion and Fargo are pretty amazing shows with each being really stylized and so well thought out.
I feel like David was never bad they gave his girlfriend a different perspective of him, and she didn’t hesitate to kill him.
They made him look like the bad guy and then They put the man who tortured him for years in a place of power and yet he didn’t break he was still trying to save everyone by changing himself.
Right!! This is a good comment
Whose they?
He had the good idea of changing himself to change the outcome but his original plan was to kill amal. Sydney edited his plan and she was a vital part in correcting it.
Both of them with their differences came together at the end and contributed to the outcome.
Sydney did hesitate to go against him. Infact the beginning of the show she excused a lot of things. Experiencing the consequences of excusing his behaviour is what made her stand up to him.
What farok did was bad and the show did address it in the end by having his older self recognise how petty he used to be.
Remember what melanie said. Its not us vs them. Its us and them,
He also viewed her as a way to start over idealizing her, manipulated her, raped her, and showed concerning tendencies such as sadism and a god complex, not to mention the daddy issues. They were lukewarm with their character motives and the entire thing falls limp if you look at justification, not to mention how they treat farouk with the way they visually portrayed him. They're also inconsistent with the rules of the universe which makes it not compelling. Again, super pretty but I can get the same production level from most theatrical productions/shows that draw on that style. I'd get the same level of depth and thought from a pink Floyd concert. I probably would've enjoyed legion more if I was melting on a tab of acid
@@morthul5514 And Sydney also manipulated him for her needs to be met. She seemed to have very little growth in her character by acknowledging her own wrongs doings. Instead excusing them and determining that actually she was the victim. Which might parallel with her own statement in Season 3 that David sees himself as a victim. Very soon after this she has her conversation with a younger version of herself. Coming to the conclusion she was a victim when sexually assaulting her mother's boyfriend.
"He turned me around. All I think of is my face pushed into the glass."
She actually feels she was wronged. They don't seem to just imply that confused her about sex.
She played games with David just to tell him how they love the sinners best. Only to completely change her mind because maybe he enjoyed killing some soldiers trying to kill him?
Maybe he enjoyed torturing someone he believed to be Farouk? In his mind he was just doing what Sydney said. Doing whatever it took to save love. Because this is war.
They attempt to make it seem like he just misunderstood her true intentions. She doesn't mean there ISN'T a line. But Syd herself doesn't seem to have a line until the end of season 3.
And this shift in David's character really felt shoehorned in to be honest. Nothing about him seemed capable of the things he did. Sexually coercing Syd. Torturing Oliver.
We sort of understand why. But David in season 1 would have attempted to find a different way. Tried to remove Farouks control over them. And nowhere EXCEPT for Sydney's game and conversation implied his thoughts on something like would have changed.
So both of them were incredibly toxic but they seemed to portray it as an ideal relationship. That was kinda poorly done. Season 2 had a kinda unearned ending.
Legion was very enjoyable. I've watched it all the way through several times and wish more shows like it existed.
Wisecrack was correct in their last statement, "Maybe [they're] just not getting it"
ngl, I thought the message was pretty dang clear. People are broken, but they dont have to be. Be kind to others, and give each other grace.
“Be excellent to each other!! … And party on dudes!!” Preach!!! 🤘✌️
I don't know, but for me season three gives a very clear message about parenting, mental health and childhood psychological trauma. The way you were raised as a kid affects the way you behave as an adult. We saw it on both David and Syd's examples. Proper parenting for Syd ended up for her being strong, self-aware and independent woman. David, on the other hand, being raised by mentally unstable mother who were abandoned by her husband, constantly fails to control "The Legion": a literal embodiment of his fears, doubts, self-hatred and depression.
Kinda obvious for me.
Yeah feels like he kinda missed the obvious
Maybe my favorite scene in all of LEGION was when a young Charles Xavier was sitting and having a drink with The Shadow King.
Those two owned the show with their acting skills.
"It's hard to hate someone you understand"
Multiple personalities make it difficult to have consistent perception..especially when you are creating and perceiving reality simultaneously.
Legion is the best Marvel show or movie ever made. There, I said it. You know it to be true. Noah Hawley is a great showrunner.
Is it just me or is the fact that the viewpoint character in this show is schizophrenic basically just glossed over or forgotten in this video? It's pretty relevant, given how much time is spent discussing inconsistencies between reality and metaphor. Loose associations are literally one of the primary diagnostic features of the disease.
Right!?
This show is so underrated
Nobody I know gets it. That if they can get past the fear they created for themselves while watching it.
It's not David that changes the past but rather Farouk and his father, who come to an agreement to settle on peace... It was an amazing show and it gave me such a wonderful viewing experience. It's absurd, and deep, just like life and I think that's it's real teaching. I love wisecrack but I think this time, Legion defies philosophical analysis.
Speaking of godlike superpowered characters, what about an HBO's Watchmen: Deep or Dumb?
dumb.
Deep
or
Definitely dumb
HBO show deep, the movie dumb as shit
Finally, some love for Legion.
I haven't seen the show, but when you said "time travel" in the same context as David "Legion" Haller, I immediately jumped to the Age of Apocalypse. Legion time travels to kill Magneto, but accidentally kills his dad instead. That somehow makes Apocalypse awaken early and he steamrolls Earth's defences, conquering North America and turning it into a social Darwinist hellhole ruled by sadistic mutants.
But the way that show made me feel...
It's a true gem
I FULLY believed this said “Religion, is it deep or dumb?”
david does develop a cult who worships him soo
Religion is deeply dumb
@@DEFKONSIXTYSIXlml *_[Fedora Tipping intensifies]_*
Seek and find
Useful......depending on the political situation that is.😉
I think the final note this review ends on is the most accurate. Legion uses unstable representation to allow for a multiplicity of meanings and interpertations that can be exclusive to one another or symbiotic. It discourses with a variety of philosophical sources to enrich its figurative language while refraining from subscribing to any specific one. As such, im not sure its right to measure how "smart" the show is by evaluating its ability to articulate a specific conclusion
I like that Farouk was able to be an interesting villain for 3 seasons in a row- I’ve never seen any other villain do that in a series except Magneto
I believe the show is a depiction of what the world looks like from David's point of view.
However, David has unlimited power and therefore can alter reality, so what would the world look like to someone who can change anything they want?
Legion.
Also I think that this is all set before his time in the comics and that is why this world is separate from them.
Legion was my favorite show of the last decade, loved every minute of it.
Same
I figured it was a kind of joke on how they’d been cancelled. They only had one more season to tell a complex story and so many plot threads and jokes are devoted to telling the story as quickly as possible (hence time travel) and the only way to tell this story properly is another incarnation of Legion. Like the cult (following of the show) dissipating by demon (studio heads) speeding up time. I love the joke when Cary calls in a change in setting instead of having to show them going there or getting rescued
Micheal, from now on your introduction to these Videos shall always be "Hey Wisecrack, Micheal here."
The question "where are your fingers" is optional.
I hope you guys review having the at home testing service as a sponsor as it seems somewhat unethical to encourage people to not visit their doctor and use an online service instead...
I agree with this statement completely. Of course sponsors are necessary, but it's important for any channel on RUclips to do their due diligence on ensuring the company that they are putting their name behind and promoting aren't malicious in their business model. Giving a private company that kind of sensitive and personal information is incredibly dangerous, and kind of stupid.
That’s a very good point.
Umm, speaking of time travel, I’m reading all your comments a year later and having survived 2020 I should say that an at-home testing kit seems pretty practical (at least if you’re in quarantine and trying to survive the zombie apocalypse that is Covid).
This 5/10 score was a plot twist for me, it makes no sense. I think the most important thing of the story is to show what happens when someone with a mind that can bend the rules of what is real or not, but also have to cope with mental illness caused by the trauma of having an entity just as powerful living inside his own mind, starts to gain control of his own self. The flaws that David shows in his moral character are justified by his own madness, and he becomes more powerful than ever exactly when he learns to embrace this madness (Legion) and use it combined with his powers to travel back in time to kill the thing that broke him (beyond repair, as Sydney said), he decided to destroy everything in order to fix his own self and reset his own reality. Seriously, does that sound like a 5/10 for smarts?
I agree with this
@@somenote2186 I concur.
Our thinking of time is limited by our perception of the limits of time travel.
In terms of metaphors the show is deep because EvErything is significant. Color sound everything..
I, for one, loved the musical numbers. The show had the greatest score of any TV series I've ever seen. And all the trippy, contradictory, bizarre stuff of a psychic superhero series by nature is full of BS as far as reflection of actual reality. There were so many snippets and arcs that made me think about things in ways I enjoyed. I thought they made it work and it was the most beautiful series I can think of.
something for your M.I.N.D was awesome
Legion wears its influences on its sleeves. Study a lil bit, come back with a hotter take
I so I wished you you gave this show a full look through. It’s so layered, and it fits in you cannon. I feel wisecrack will look back at this as a missed work of art.
I always thought the point was about the nature of choice vs nature, and about the issues of mental health, self control, and the issues of validation vs self indulgence
Throughout the whole show, you’ve got a protagonist suffering from schizophrenia/mental illness, so of course the show does a great job at suspending disbelief and portraying perceptions the way one would expect someone with mental illness/hallucinations/delusions might perceive their own world. I really liked that part about this show!
The time travel logic works if you ask me, David goes back and changes the past then his "world" disappears, and from here a new world line was created. I think it's kind of like the many worlds theory but a lot more confusing.
It’s just like I said!! It all alludes back to the episode about the multiverse in Season 2!! Like tweaker David said in that episode, “The multiverse branches and it branches….”. So if they just rewatched that episode with the multiverse and tweaker David and family man David and coffee-boy David and homeless David, they’d get it but they totally overlooked the episode with the multiverse!!
One of the best shows that people didn't see. Beautifull, crazy, original, very well made fantasy sci-fi. Legion and Preacher are the best comic shows out there.
Oh snap! Preacher kicks ass, bro! I like Legion more but yeah Preacher was killer.
@@williehaller5840 I thought “Preacher” started to lose its spark in the final season 😞. I only saw a couple of episodes of “Preacher”‘s last season before but I want to try again and give it another chance.
They actually solve the Grandfather Paradox. In season 2, the one episode where we see multiple realities (multiple versions of David) there is one version of him, explaining "and that branch makes branches, and that branch makes branches...". Basically you have a origin point (the baby) from which decisions that effect the baby (his own or anybody interacting with him) lead to different outcomes in the reality -> different timeslines (the ocean). Davids story was that his origin was compromised by the shadow king, leading to the miserable state his reality is in. By changing past Farouk, making it so he wont infiltrate Davids mind, he actually IS erasing all these branches. Resetting them to a point where David can live a good and happy life. Thats why they are fading away.
Season 1 was cool, 2 was interesting to extent, 3 was weird. Season 1 was cool because you dont know if its real or not
I’m glad I’m not the only one who didn’t fully get the third season and it was basically Noah Hawley going, “Not everything has to make sense for it to be cool! Now enjoy your weird glitchy demons fighting one of the twins.”
My favorite show being covered by on of my favorite RUclips teams? HOLY COW!
Legion was a surrealistic fairytale & I loved it 💖
5/10 on the smarts
But definitely a 12/10 on how much fun i had watching this crazy ass show
I couldn't tell exactly either what it all meant but somehow it did something to me. It changed me in a way. In multiple aspects, as far as I can tell, so I would guess that this show may hold many different meanings and may convey many different messages. All I can say for certain is that it showed me things I've never seen before and helped me become just a little bit better. And in the end that is all I look for in a good story.
You guys have to look at Noah Hawley's work less as commentary and more as a thought exercise. There is no one conclusive philosophy because the goal of Legion is to open our minds a little to different ideas. It talks a little about a lot of topics: self perception, gender, religion(the relationship between a god and mortals), trauma and love. It also finds new ways of using old thought experiments like the allegory of the cave to convey contemporary ideas. Metaphor is used as a tool and not a philosophy of the show. It's definitely a show that you need to watch multiple times to get it. It's got many many layers.
You get it.
I'm working on absorbing the ideas of reality being somewhat of a decision and how things spread mentally and socially.
What is one of your more recent insights?
I feel like Legion teaches by episode and overall has the artistic story to ponder and draw ideas/realisations from. Like all art, it doesn't tell you why it's deep, it shows you and lets you make your mind up. Honestly one of the best live action shows, on par with Doom Patrol for how weird it is
5/10, very balanced, as all things should be. Deep and dumb, balanced in one madhouse of a show
Legion helped me come to terms with my mental illness and encouraged me to seek help and take responsibility for it, as well as any bad actions done that may or may not have been a result of it.
I tell people that this show was a developmental stepping stone for me mentally. I'm happy it exists.
I miss this show.
everyone seens to forget that Farouk tortured and killed David's sister and later manipulated sydney and the others to turn against david, (not saying that david didnt fuck up)
19:37 ... is that a babble fish?! I always got very strong Douglas Adams vibes from this show
Yes, it was named after the famous Tower of Babble.
That's exactly what it was. :)
I was so confused at first because I thought you guys were talking about the film called Legion, the one where the angel comes down to defend a diner from demons, and I wasn't sure how anyone could even remember the film, let alone consider it deep.
I love this video, and I agree with all you've said, however I would like to propose a simpler alternative view.
Besides all the metaphors and symbolism which are obviously there for the artistic aspect of it, all we see in the show is exactly what it looks like if we were David, we are experiencing reality from the perspective of someone to whom reality is malleable, who can shape it at will and even change the rules the world itself tries to impose on him (at one point I'm pretty sure he time travels by his own power while switch was incapacitated), I think the reason everything is so confusing and weird is because we are seeing a, reasonable imo, attempt at showing what a god might see.
At the end of the day David is a mutant god to whom reality is meaningless and also he is insane, so that is why all we see is so distorted, I imagine if the show was from the pov of say Syd for example it would be a lot less trippy.
I still reflect on the take aways from this show. It was an artistic psychological thrill ride. The soundtrack, the scenery, the topics and metaphors were on point. 10/10.
this show its meant to be watched more than once to get it
Seems like Marvel wants to tear down the wall between superheroes and psychopaths- while also providing shock appeal for the less ignorant comic book fans...
Where did thug notes go? That was the best part of this channel
Legion showed that all psychic astral plane battles are in the form of rap battles and/or dance-offs because they are about who has the bigger imagination. Also why Professor X always wins, his opponents underestimate his dance skills
Did you notice in the battle in the nightclub how David's backup dancers had to submit to him and Oliver's worked in concert with him
I would love for them to talk about Infinity Train
5/10.? This Show Is A Work Of Art.. It’s Amazingly Chaotic And Manic.. Just The Little Things They Took Into Account Is More Than Most Movie’s Do.. You’ve Never Lost Your Mind.. Or Been Depressed.. This Show Is What It’s Like To Be The Most Sane Person In The Room The Most Honest And The Most Pure.. How The Creator Got All The Perfect Pieces Together And Managed To Create Or Convey The Human Experience In Such A Polished And Beautiful Way Is What This Show Is Impossible.. Idk If There Is Better Way To Go About This.. But I Would Love To See Someone Out Class This It Would Be A Sight To Behold..
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No, don’t!! I need to find out who has STDs!!!
I am convinced White-guy-in-baseball-hat does not watch anything he is given a script to act smart-talk over. Like, does anyone remember Future Syd from season 2? David literally uses astral-projection time-travel, and Future Syd uses a time-travel orb.
Do a Deep or Dumb on Death Stranding!
Or... 🎶 "Under the sea." 🎶
we all know its dumb
Its dumb but nice, connecting woth people and shit was amazing
It's a first strand type game.... and hopefully the last
I haven't finished it yet (only can take about a hour of delivering before I'm done for the day and haven't played it in awhile) so far the story is really interesting only on Chapter 3 not sure how long it is, but the gameplay? Definitely not the best, I'm thinking I might just put it on the easiest difficulty so I can just walk past all the enemies and just get to the cutscenes.
I loved when Oliver the wizard guy rap battles the big bad wolf and wins with verse poetry
GOD I MISS WATCHING LEGION.
I'm watching it through for the fourth or 5th time. I've noticed something new every time
Me too bro.
I finally finished the show last night, and the idea that's been rattling around my brain since is that the whole show is an artistic exploration of mental illness; it's causes (abandonment, generational trauma, etc.), healthy ways to coping with it, and so on.
But maybe that's just me projecting... I'm still thinking it through.
I agree with you.
All i can say i loved the show.
It took several times coming back to watch the first episode before I was able to get into Legion, but holy shit am I glad I kept watching.
Thanks for talking about this, I really love the show, so I'm prolly biased it should get a few points more, but I agree with almost every point you made.
I would love to see finally now that it's over the directors comment on your take. If you did that you would be literal and metaphorical gods.
Also please do Mr Robot.
Endgame time travel, as explained in the movie, isn't true time travel. It works the same as it does in DBZ with Trunks. You travel to the "past" of a parallel universe and change their time, but not anything that happened in the past of your universe.
Yes! I've been waiting for this one.
16:25 Because Switch did it.
She is time itself and she chose to let this time change to happen. It was her choice before... Ascending? Becoming Time? Whatever she did at the end.
I love your work guys and I respect your interpretations (especially when I disagree), and I start saying that because I dont want to be misunderstood, but I think that "Deep or Dumb" wasn't the right approach. Legion it's a bit of both, and that's kind of the point, as you well said, is in a very high percent an artistic proposal more than a (sci-fi/surreal) narration. So, maybe it should be better do a "Philosophy of" (or in this case, the psichology), so you can talk of the show for what it propose instead of what it makes good, bad or in a middle point. Legion discuss very good ideas (literally and metaphorically), and the style of those videos gives more freedom to play with the theories and bibliography.
Personally, I see Legion like a painting written in madness. Its a journey we take, and like any good piece of art it can and will speak to the watcher differently on a case by case basis. I see it as the story of person who embraces the power fantasy only to lose himself in it. the final season was him seeking the only redemption he could conceive of, oblivion and a fresh start. I found it a good series that is worth watching, worth considering, and it ended well and did not feel the need to "resolve all the questions." In the end it ate its own tale, and that's fine with me and a good representation of what these tv runs can be: A stand alone thought that concludes itself.
What I liked was how David became the villain and a destructive force because he wanted to literally erase all of the past that had happened. And this error caused the time eaters to come out and wreak havoc. It’s a great example of a story where someone tries to do something heroic by destroying what they once were. Then they become a megalomaniac because they want to change the whole timeline. And then because of their overzealousness and obsession they become a destructive force without even realizing it. I really loved the writing for those reasons!
As a matter of fact, I just realized now, after watching the series finale literally only an hour or two ago that David Haller is presented as his father’s (Xavier’s) opposite in that he wants to go to war with Farouk. I’m thinking about the dialogue Xavier has with David about Farouk’s agreement for peace. Xavier fought people during wartime who were willing to kill and destroy in order to make their nation “clean” in some way. So when Xavier is citing his experiences in the war to his son David and telling David there’s a better way, it’s because he sees how David’s obsession is not unlike the misguided obsessions that caused other tyrants to start wars.
I don't usually cry man, but that last episode of legion got me... it was beautiful. I think you' re wrong, I think you're a fake Jared, and maybe wisecrack is dumb and not deep. The story beautifully folds in on itself the only person who really remember anything will be Faruk and he will be better because of it. You are only focusing all of it on the last season with time travel but not taking in the full picture of the first 2 seasons.
I think it was a healthy mix of both and the show was aware of it. Either way it will go down as one of my favorite shows of all time.