Smeagol and a jumping fish- The Two Towers
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2018
- Smeagol is swimming along in a rocky stream, trying to catch a jumping fish. Sam and Frodo follow him
SAM:Hey, stinker, don't go getting too far ahead.
FRODO:Why do you do that?
SAM:What?
FRODO:Call him names. Run him down all the time.
SAM:Because. Because that's what he is, Mr. Frodo. There's naught left in him but lies and deceit. It's the Ring he wants. It's all he cares about.
FRODO:(looks cross) You have no idea what it did to him......what it's still doing to him. (he walks past Sam, then stops watching Gollum) I want to help him, Sam.
SAM:Why?
FRODO:Because I have to believe he can come back.
SAM:(walks to Frodo's back) You can't save him, Mr. Frodo.
FRODO:(turning around to face Sam) What do you know about it? Nothing! (Sam nods walks past him) I'm sorry, Sam. I don't know why I said that.
SAM:I do. (turning back round to face Frodo) It's the Ring. You can't take your eyes off it. I've seen you. You're not eating. You barely sleep. (walks right up to him) It's taken hold of you, Mr. Frodo. You have to fight it.
FRODO:(snaps back) I know what I have to do, Sam. The Ring was entrusted to me. It's my task. Mine! My own! (he walks off purposefully)
SAM:Can't you hear yourself? Don't you know who you sound like? 
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Props to Andy on this scene, getting into the freezing water, sliding and getting hit a lot with the rocks and stones from the river... Andy is one exceptional actor
Very very talented and dedicated actor! Loves to potrayal even the most ugly character
Elijah singled this out for praise in a recent panel. He said he was blown away by how Andy completely became the character within this extremely uncomfortable environment, and even before the CGI was added and Andy just looked like a madman in a green suit, all Elijah saw was Gollum.
Frodo has to believe he [Smeagol] can come back. This has a lot of sense, Frodo not only wants to help Gollum, he needs to in order to know that is possible to come back after the consequences of carrying the ring. He is trying to see if he himself would be able to heal
Yo finally this comment! I’ve always thought this, it’s so obvious this was the portrayed meaning yet so many don’t understand
Frodo wants to help Gollum so much that he would literally abandon his loyal friend Sam for eating too much elven bread
In the book there’s really not the tension between Sam and Frodo, they’re both in agreement that Gollum isn’t really savable and they both know that eventually he would try to betray them.
@@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037 tbh, I prefer this take in the movie. cuts a lot deeper.
I love this debate between Frodo & Sam on whether or not Smeagol/Gollum could be saved after what the Ring did to him.
I admire how much Frodo cared enough to want to try and rehabilitate him, but Sam was also right that Smeagol/Gollum was beyond saving. He was at a point where he was too far gone after spending so many years being a victim to the Ring.
@@xxo8888 Well, Frodo said that at the beginning of the journey because, like Sam, he didn't see how Gollum could be saved. Only Gandalf snapped Frodo out of this. This is why Frodo saw the good in Smeagol and wanted to redeem him. I think people forget it was Gandalf who told Frodo to take pity on Gollum, because without Gandalf's intervention, Frodo wouldn't have pitied Gollum and the quest probably wouldn't have succeeded if it weren't for Gandalf.
I can relate to Frodo, honestly. When you see the good in someone, you just can't help but want to try and save them.
@@xxo8888 What do you mean, "before the ring took hold of Frodo"? When exactly did the ring take hold of Frodo?
@@reubenmanzo2054 what are you talking about man? That’s one of the major themes of the story, especially the end
I like both but i dont like Sam being mean to Smeagol not understanding him . Frodo does . I Wish too he would survive and when the ring gone he D be normal again
Gollum and the fish is me navigating through life
X2 😅
0:39 meanwhile Andy's brain is slowly fading away from freeze
This is one thing I love about Frodo. He is completely kind, patient and loyal. Even if it may be too late to save someone like Gollum/Smeagol, he has a sense of faith and hope that he can save him. There’s nothing wrong with atleast trying. He tried to save him to the very very end and even forgave him after he died.
Frodo is an asshole who chose the evil conspiring scheming deceitful Smeagol over his loyal to life friend and advisor Samwise! And this came and bit him right in his ass when Smeagol brutally tore off Frodis finger inside of Mount Doom! Frodo in that moment must have definitely remembered that he poisoned him against Samwise and he believed him without thinking it through and betrayed the trust of his best friend and wellwisher!!!
@@The_Beast_666 Um, no. You're wrong there. Frodo in the books did forgive Smeagol after the creature died. Frodo is kind, patient, and loyal as Chao says. Even in the films, and when they were at Mount Doom, Frodo was trying to convince Smeagol to come back to the good side. Frodo's not bad. It may have seemed like it, but he's not.
If anyone's to blame for Smeagol's betrayal, it's Sam, because Sam is actually the brutish one who kept bullying Smeagol. You can practically see it in this video. Sam's not listening to what Frodo has to say about Smeagol and it shows. Who do you think tipped Smeagol off the edge when he betrayed Frodo and Sam to Shelob? It certainly isn't Frodo. Frodo may have triggered Smeagol to betray them, but it was Sam who caused the betrayal to begin with.
I think you need to read the books again and analyze the movies a bit more to understand this. Because it's right there in front of you!
Mindy Brown Maybe so but everything Sam said about him was true nothing but lies and deceit, for 400 years that ring destroyed all that was good in him and even though it almost came out the evil won in the end. Some souls just can’t be saved and in this kind of journey there is no room for kindness or compassion let alone trust for someone who has a history of being nothing more than an obsessive bloodthirsty animal. So no Frodo is not an asshole he is just too kind and trusting and that almost cost him his life and a friendship with Sam the only person who he should’ve trusted right from the start. Compassion is a strength Frodo has always had but it’s also his weakness and whatever good Sméagol had before was long gone after he killed his cousin and he proved it several times no matter how kind Frodo was. Personally I was waiting anxiously to see him die and when he did I was so relieved and found it funny how he died by his obsession.
@@obiwanthewiseass How do you know some souls can't be saved? I don't think that's true. There's still this possibility that Smeagol can be redeemed. That's what fanfiction is for. It doesn't end with the trilogy. So, there is hope for Smeagol's redemption. And yes, I know Frodo was too kind and trusting to Smeagol, but that's one of the things he's good at. Frodo even made me think that maybe there is hope for villains. I know that's strange, but that's one of the lessons Frodo taught me. Everyone's not lost forever, and that counts for Smeagol, too. :)
Mindy Brown And I agree in most cases yes a soul can be saved but the way I see it Sméagol didn’t want to be saved he only thought about one thing and one thing only the ring itself and he would do anything to get it which he proved when he killed his cousin and when Frodo escaped Shelob’s cave when he begged for mercy only to once more give into his animalistic desire for that ring that’s what ticked me off about Frodo being a compassionate fool. Whatever kind soul he was before was replaced with an animal who lost his sanctity and his reason, there was no going back for him maybe if he only had it for the same amount of time Bilbo had it but for 400 years he had it so that goes without saying. I’m just being real in the situation, at times I can be optimistic but I lost pity for Sméagol in Return of the king when I saw what he did to his cousin albeit he did the same too but I completely lost it when he begged for mercy like some pathetic asswipe and yet attacked Frodo anyway. So no Sméagol made his choice one too many times and threw aside Frodo’s pity and got what was coming to him.
Frodo knows the pain and the charge that is the ring, so he understand the pain of Gollum, so he tried to help and save him 😭
I understand it too
@@PajafromPrague aww 🥰
Problably the only aspect when Frodo is better than Sam. He believes in Smeagol redemption.
It makes for a great balance between Frodo and Sam. They each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Sam is not the perfect angel many fans of his paint him as. Yes, he’s darn near angelic, and so lovable and good at heart (I love him as much as the next guy), but he’s not perfect. Neither is Frodo. Sam is the one with more pragmatic resourcefulness and groundedness, while Frodo is the one with the most emotional wisdom and perspective. But Sam is also quick to anger and making assumptions, and Frodo is vulnerable to depression and questioning his self-esteem. But they make each other better; Frodo counters Sam’s hotheadedness with calmer rationale, and Sam counters Frodo’s despair with words and gestures of support. This is especially true for the books. They really make the perfect team.
I'm actually thinking about Andy Serkis who had to jump in the cold river. The water was just freezing.
Yep. And even worse, he did over 50 takes to get it right.
@@al112v4 it wasn't a river it was in a studio
50 DaysAgo I’m pretty sure I remember watching it and the river was literally frozen.
@@50daysago14 In my memory it was outside, in New Zealand, and they even had to get rid of the snow before filming. When Serkis arrived, there was no snow or ice anymore, but the water was still freezing
@Plynyl His stunt double jumped in the cold river and got paid 1/10 of what Serkis was paid!
Fun fact: this scene was shot in freezing cold weather
Yes, in a behind the scenes interview, Andy Serkis said that the water was unbelievably cold even though he had a wetsuit on, Peter Jackson later recalled that he was so worried that Andy would be so numb and would pass out and fall off as he was close to a waterfall
You can't see the actors breath
he is trying so hard to catch that fish
WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT IT! NOTHING!
damn frodo
(1:33 foreshadowing)
And then he immediately apologizes for yelling, and then later when they’re with Faramir, he apologizes for yelling about the Ring. I love how whenever he has a moment of anger from the Ring’s influence, he always snaps out of it and makes sure to tell Sam he’s sorry. That’s love. ❤
breaks my heart every time.
1:38 I'm sorry but the way he walks away in the end is so sassy🤣💙
Those big hobbit feet they wear
Here, Gollum! go get it! go get it!
0:39
I always laughed at that 🤣
i love gollum so much
I type in “Hey stinker don’t go getting too far ahead” to find this
If everyone were kinder to Smeagol then maybe he wouldn't have betrayed Frodo and Sam
@Farhan Bullshit! Smeagol was evil and extremely selfish from the very beginning even before he stole the ring from his friend!
I don't think so, I love his character but he was doomed 😂 it was the Ring and his relationship with it, not the other people. It's not like Joker lol.
@@The_Beast_666 tf no.
well ultimately golum saved the day from Frodo
Yes
Why do you do that? What? Call him names, run him down all the time? Because Mr Frodo, that's what he is, there's naught left in him but lies and deceit.
This scene is like from an indie drama.
“Don’t you know who you sound like?” I always assumed Sam was referring to Bilbo here, but maybe not? Is he referring to Sméagol?
Yes
0:53 🤣🤣🤣
how did you get this footage of me at the swimming pool
Points were made on both sides
Beautiful.
These films really lack subtlety. In the book Sam never spells out “the Ring is taking hold of you, Mr. Frodo.” We are left to detect that ourselves from the breadcrumbs that are dropped. But here Jackson does not trust the audience and instead keeps putting line after line in Sam’s mouth about how much the Ring is harming Frodo…when Elijah’s astounding performance is all we need to know that.
Sam already knew Gollum was beyond saving. At least Frodo tried. That is all he can do.
he wasn't, until sam's abuse culminated in his viciousness toward him at his most gentle and vulnerable on the steps of cirith ungol. Frodo was helping him. Tolkien himself said so.
@@JN-so6wtI wouldn’t call it abuse. Sam is not an abusive person at all. He was absolutely paranoid for Frodo’s safety and knew that not only was Gollum not above killing people for no rational reason, but also that he wanted the Ring which Frodo had, and thus the risk that he would hurt Frodo was very high. Sam is Frodo’s protector first and foremost, and it’s difficult for him to have any compassion or respect for someone who is a threat to Frodo. We see this early on in the book, where he refuses to be polite to Farmer Maggot and glares at him after learning that he beat Frodo as a child.
The One Ring corrupts anyone who’s weak. Isildur, Gollum, Bilbo, briefly Galadriel and Boromir, and lastly Frodo when he was in Mount Doom. I know that the Ring was created by Sauron.
I think I have a feeling who`s channel this is now and it`s NOT that obvious.
0:53 Oh, this is the part I was looking for.
His Name is reek
0:49
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If one thing i dont like on Sam his all the time or most time being mean to Smeagol . Its not hos fault what he is . Wonder if Smeagol survived after the ring destroyed he d be normal again . Hope Sam would apologize
If you compare how briefly it took the Ring to corrupt Sméagol with the LONG and difficult time the Ring had trying to corrupt Bilbo and Frodo, it’s clear that the Ring-bearer’s inherent character plays a part in their vulnerability to its power. The fact that Sméagol fell to the Ring instantly with no resistance indicates he wasn’t exactly the nicest or purest guy to begin with.
@@12classics39 i guess its individual Boromir acted the same quick and Gandalf from the fear it could control him did not want to have it with him even to hide
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