I play on VH Friendship 729 Origin. I like a linear style of play and a lot of spin. But also a touch of aggressiveness. Battle II and Battle II Province are also an alternative for me. Back then 10 years ago I played Yasaka Do. The surface was also very hard and very sticky. Unfortunately there are no more. I would play Battle II when my feel for the game and security have reached a certain level. Otherwise stay on Origin for now. A 10 year break is quite long
I love omega 7 Asia. Similar market, spin monster, lasts fairly long, and sits at about 52 USD. Dignics 05 has been the best backhand rubber I’ve ever used.
Agree .. further Jeckyll &Hyde 47.5 a bit more hybrid rubber as Omega 7 Asia , so a bit more speed with still a big amount of control ... would choose Xiom above butterfly any day because it's long term consistancy
There’s quite a few J & H variants. I’ve tried a few because I was seriously considering switching but didn’t like them as much. But yea, feel like XIOM puts as much R&D in their products and is still more affordable and reliable.
From my understanding there is no cheaper alternative to D09C, eventually Stigma DNA Dragon Grip, but the durability is half of D09C so not really cheaper. If you wish cheaper alternative you need take in account performance loss > hard but tru 😊
For me, there is only one rubber alternative chepear, than dignics - yinhe Jupiter 3 Asia. But, of course, spin and speed not such great as dignics, but it's still great rubber.
@@whatevereyewantGlayzer09c is ok, but lacks of spin and arch. And D09C is way more stable during rallies or counter. I played BH G09C and D09C FH with FZD ALC, Glayzer is missing something.
DHS III Hurricane NEO... A lot better durability than D09C (especially for the sponge), better speed, a little less spiny and especially much cheaper. Rakza Z is also good on the long run if you favor a more balanced game.
The only question I am concerned about: which of the substitutes and dignics 09c has the best durability? Longevity is the most important factor for me.
thats some trick question... durability of what? for example, the sponge durability is something that people who practice everyday experience most often, the sponge after 3 weeks to 1 month can feel really different because they lose tension and elasticity, but the topsheet can still be good at this point. a rubber that i tried and think can have the most longevity is rakza z. or you can just change more often or reboost dhs h3 blue sponge and dna dragon grip.
@@esmolol4091DHS 3 Neo what?😂 General = dead rubber even with Haifu. Provincional Blue with Haifu ok, but booster last max 6-8 weeks. National, also need Haifu and cost 90-100$
I bought the paddle with Viscaria Blade and Rakza Z Extra Hard, it is tacky, powerful, and weighty as mentioned. Interesting none the less. Nice to have a different feel.
Another answer to the Question "why do so many professionals use it" would be "because they are sponsored by Butterfly" .... I only tried it once on someone elses racket as I usually hate butterfly so much .... in my opinion most butterfly rubbers are just bad for every non professional as they are way to hard for most people. Still yeah dignics wasn't bad but I'd never pay that ammount no matter how good it might be. I am using a Rasanter 42 and I am very happy with it.
What about Yinhe Big Dipper National version(39-41 degree)? I heard that Big Dipper Spin, a simpler version is also very similar. Maybe the national one is worthy of attention?
I think Xiom’s C55 can be added to this list as well but I still think 09c is a better rubber. Heaviness of 09c or similar rubbers is too taxing on the arm. Any rubber that provides the same performance but lighter will take the crown in my opinion
Hey Coach EmRatThich! Thanks for all your constant support :), I just have a question: Do you use Booster on Rakza Z? Do you recommend Rakza Z Hard on FH , and Rakza Z normal on BH?? And what kind of booster do you use if you use it =)?? Thanks For ALL!! Greetings From Perú dear Coach!
Interesting choices. I'm certainly not gonna play or even buy an error09c! But I'm wondering of how to get a Double Fish Qiji. Dragon grip is a different beast, tough wasn't for me. I still like Chinese on my FH.
I've recently started using the Butterfly Glayzer 09c which uses exactly the same top sheet as Dignics but is half the price. Amazed this hasn't been mentioned as it's a great rubber.
@@vincentg9570 I tested several hybrid rubbers and they don't come close to the unique balance that Dignics09c has. It's tacky but juuuust a little bit, it's fast but not too fast, it's perfect on the table short game. Others hybrids are usually too tacky and rigid and uncontrollable. Probably it's something in the quality of the topsheet. I liked Stiga Hybrid rubber on Truls Cybershape. But still it is different. The only "downside" of Dignics09c is that on very hard blades, like Truls Cybershape, the combination becomes too hard, so Im not fast enough to handle the ball properly. Dignics09c is perfect on Hinoki blades - Primorac Carbon, Victas Hino-Carbon, etc..
what are the two numbers mean exactly on the right end down side rectangle...like 14-035...or 24-108..??because on my TIBHAR VOLCANO it says 74-020 and for 46$ this bat is great for my game....I bought a 2nd new one (F. Lebrun) and it"s 74-041..and it"s much gripier & faster returns....I seem to miss more returns than with the first bat..??
I would even consider the Skyline 2 as an good alternative it’s also Quite tacky and fast if you Look at the sponge the only problem is that its quite old so Not really the newest tech but it’s dort cheap compared to the dignics
i think national version of Jekyll and hyde Z.52.5 is superior than dignics 09c, its a rubber more powerfull and spinny, also have more durability, everyone in my club now are moving from dignics to Z52.5
I was wondering about that rubber...but I wasn't sure because it's difficult to get it where I live...🤔 Is it too heavy? Due to the hardness...does it feel a little slower than usual tensor rubbers like Tibhar mx-p or Gewo nexxus 48?✍️📃
The feeling of dignic09c is much more different with donic c2 or stiga dragon grip. The only similar rubber is rakza z(a soft version of d09c). Although all of them is good rubber, but I think that the rakza z is the only one which can replace it much with similar feeling.
i play with $5 reactor tornado rubbers which are feel a lot like like mark V gls, and i routinely win all those USATT 1000 dumb.sses who spend crazy many on d09c ;-) d09c is for pros who get them for free, that's it
I think that the Andro Rasanter C53 is better than Dignics 09c by A LOT. It's also better than Tibhar Hybrid K3 in my opinion. Rasanter C53 a little bit slower than Dignics 09c but you can make fast shots with it if you are strong. The spin and counterspin is incredible. In my opinion, Dignics is not even in the contest for best forehand rubber. It is between Hurricane 3, Skyline 2, and Rasanter C53.
I play 4-5 days per week, 2-3 hours each of those days. I’m an all around type player that plays OFF blades. How long would a set of Butterfly Dignics last me on average? Thanks for the help
This doesn't mention anything about durability. The 09C is pretty durable while the dragon grip loses grip in about 2 months. I think Xiom Omega 7 Guang is better than the other choices.
i was so happy to buy dignics but was so dissapointed after 1 month of using them they lost almost everything from their magic i mean they were the best rubbers ive ever used but only for 1 month than they become regular rubbers
@@vinadamsllc, really good rubber, to my opinion better than d05 and d64, gonna be great for both forehand and backhand (used it as a forehead rubber (blade TBZLC)) Great choice!
If possible try XIOM Omega7 China Guang. And, the best alternative I think should be Yasaka 飛龍特注(latest version with blue sponge, only sold in China maybe).
Butterfly copies Chinese rubbers characteristics and sells them five times more expensive. It provides the rubbers to top players for free so that amators wanted to buy them for the crazy price. Look at your shoes, what a complicated piece of art they are? Heals,, toe caps, insoles, and outsoles, stitches and seams, laces and so on. How much efforts they require to be made. And you hardly paid for them 100 dollars. I bought four excellent winter tires for my Opel for 50 dollars each made in Turkey. They have been serving me for four winters. People, wake up! Don't make rich that greedy rascals.
I wanted to ask about that one, because I just got it and compared to what I had in the past I can give much more spin on certain shots. Quite happy with it at the moment, but I have no idea if pro players consider that rubber good or not
True. I tried it (I've seen it too) and it is a very good one. Spinny and lasts a lot. The only problem I (personally) find it it is... heavy. If it were a little lighter... So I still prefer nexxus 48 or super select instead 😢
I play on VH Friendship 729 Origin. I like a linear style of play and a lot of spin. But also a touch of aggressiveness. Battle II and Battle II Province are also an alternative for me. Back then 10 years ago I played Yasaka Do. The surface was also very hard and very sticky. Unfortunately there are no more. I would play Battle II when my feel for the game and security have reached a certain level. Otherwise stay on Origin for now. A 10 year break is quite long
This is the best informative video regarding table tennis sheets
I love omega 7 Asia. Similar market, spin monster, lasts fairly long, and sits at about 52 USD. Dignics 05 has been the best backhand rubber I’ve ever used.
Agree .. further Jeckyll &Hyde 47.5 a bit more hybrid rubber as Omega 7 Asia , so a bit more speed with still a big amount of control ... would choose Xiom above butterfly any day because it's long term consistancy
There’s quite a few J & H variants. I’ve tried a few because I was seriously considering switching but didn’t like them as much. But yea, feel like XIOM puts as much R&D in their products and is still more affordable and reliable.
Omega 7 Asia is not a hybrid though, is it? Omega 7 China Guang could be similar, but with a harder sponge.
From my understanding there is no cheaper alternative to D09C, eventually Stigma DNA Dragon Grip, but the durability is half of D09C so not really cheaper. If you wish cheaper alternative you need take in account performance loss > hard but tru 😊
exactly. I have the same feeling
For me, there is only one rubber alternative chepear, than dignics - yinhe Jupiter 3 Asia. But, of course, spin and speed not such great as dignics, but it's still great rubber.
There is glazer 09c. Mixed reviews on videos I’ve seen.
@@whatevereyewantGlayzer09c is ok, but lacks of spin and arch. And D09C is way more stable during rallies or counter. I played BH G09C and D09C FH with FZD ALC, Glayzer is missing something.
DHS III Hurricane NEO... A lot better durability than D09C (especially for the sponge), better speed, a little less spiny and especially much cheaper. Rakza Z is also good on the long run if you favor a more balanced game.
Thank you. It was really beneficial. Please make a video of "alternative of butterfly dignics 05" as it is the most used butterfly rubber.
The only question I am concerned about: which of the substitutes and dignics 09c has the best durability? Longevity is the most important factor for me.
Yasaka Rakza Z Extra Hard
thats some trick question... durability of what? for example, the sponge durability is something that people who practice everyday experience most often, the sponge after 3 weeks to 1 month can feel really different because they lose tension and elasticity, but the topsheet can still be good at this point. a rubber that i tried and think can have the most longevity is rakza z. or you can just change more often or reboost dhs h3 blue sponge and dna dragon grip.
DHS Hurricane 3 Neo.
Better, Cheaper, Perfection.
@@esmolol4091DHS 3 Neo what?😂 General = dead rubber even with Haifu. Provincional Blue with Haifu ok, but booster last max 6-8 weeks. National, also need Haifu and cost 90-100$
What u think about palio cj8000? When u Want a cheap but good spinny rubber?
Do you have a recommendation for a rubber with maximum control ?
Rakza 7 or rozena, are you a beginner?
Coach, what about the backhand, would this also do for players who use Dignics 09c or Dignics 80?
I bought the paddle with Viscaria Blade and Rakza Z Extra Hard, it is tacky, powerful, and weighty as mentioned. Interesting none the less. Nice to have a different feel.
I use battle 2 provincial (provincial, not pro; they are different rubber) blue sponge 39 degree boosted. Spin and speed is amazing.
I love Rakza Z. I just wish it was not so heavy. Are any of these options lighter than Rakza Z?
Razka Z is heavy and Razka Z extra hard is even more heavier!
Another answer to the Question "why do so many professionals use it" would be "because they are sponsored by Butterfly" ....
I only tried it once on someone elses racket as I usually hate butterfly so much .... in my opinion most butterfly rubbers are just bad for every non professional as they are way to hard for most people.
Still yeah dignics wasn't bad but I'd never pay that ammount no matter how good it might be.
I am using a Rasanter 42 and I am very happy with it.
The comparisons were quite in- depth! For the InnerForce line of rackets would you not recommend the Razka on the BH?
What is your opinion about hurricane 9 Green and Blue?
Very slow rubbers,not spiny, even very boosted.
I am use to play chinese rubbers and definitively i didnt liked h9 blue
What about Yinhe Big Dipper National version(39-41 degree)? I heard that Big Dipper Spin, a simpler version is also very similar. Maybe the national one is worthy of attention?
I think Xiom’s C55 can be added to this list as well but I still think 09c is a better rubber. Heaviness of 09c or similar rubbers is too taxing on the arm. Any rubber that provides the same performance but lighter will take the crown in my opinion
Hey Coach EmRatThich! Thanks for all your constant support :), I just have a question: Do you use Booster on Rakza Z? Do you recommend Rakza Z Hard on FH , and Rakza Z normal on BH?? And what kind of booster do you use if you use it =)?? Thanks For ALL!! Greetings From Perú dear Coach!
Answer please
Any comparison with XIOM C55?
How about the Jekyll and Hyde series from Xiom?
have u tried the xiom vega china vm that is an pretty good alternative :D
I use jekyll and Hyden X ...very good rubber. The H version is more like hybrid...hard and tacky
Interesting choices. I'm certainly not gonna play or even buy an error09c! But I'm wondering of how to get a Double Fish Qiji. Dragon grip is a different beast, tough wasn't for me. I still like Chinese on my FH.
😂😂😂
I've recently started using the Butterfly Glayzer 09c which uses exactly the same top sheet as Dignics but is half the price. Amazed this hasn't been mentioned as it's a great rubber.
Hey i wanna ask why such a hard rubber and fast rubber play on backhand side? Which one play one forhand then. More harder?
Try reactor tornado v5 very cheap but really good..
Ohhh, believe me I know what I'm talking about - the cheaper alternative to Dignics 09c is only used Dignics 09c
😂
Thats very effective i have one now and i didn't even buy it, just a gift from my friend. Used D09C
Why should you be believed?
What do you mean exactly ?
@@vincentg9570 I tested several hybrid rubbers and they don't come close to the unique balance that Dignics09c has. It's tacky but juuuust a little bit, it's fast but not too fast, it's perfect on the table short game. Others hybrids are usually too tacky and rigid and uncontrollable. Probably it's something in the quality of the topsheet.
I liked Stiga Hybrid rubber on Truls Cybershape. But still it is different.
The only "downside" of Dignics09c is that on very hard blades, like Truls Cybershape, the combination becomes too hard, so Im not fast enough to handle the ball properly.
Dignics09c is perfect on Hinoki blades - Primorac Carbon, Victas Hino-Carbon, etc..
what are the two numbers mean exactly on the right end down side rectangle...like 14-035...or 24-108..??because on my TIBHAR VOLCANO it says 74-020 and for 46$ this bat is great for my game....I bought a 2nd new one (F. Lebrun) and it"s 74-041..and it"s much gripier & faster returns....I seem to miss more returns than with the first bat..??
@@hectorherbert6585 that’s the product identifying number for approved rubbers by ITTF. It has nothing to do with the price.
Simply the registration numbers for ITTF certification. I think the first set is the manufacturer ID, which is why both your Tibhars were 74
Hi, why not Glayzer 09c ?
price
can you recommend the best color rubbers for BH? At the moment I have an Andro hexer power grip, Green color... Good video btw
@@kevinwesly4850 the blue of victas looks very nice
I would even consider the Skyline 2 as an good alternative it’s also Quite tacky and fast if you Look at the sponge the only problem is that its quite old so Not really the newest tech but it’s dort cheap compared to the dignics
Nittaku hammund z2, Rakza Z maybe good 👍
i think national version of Jekyll and hyde Z.52.5 is superior than dignics 09c, its a rubber more powerfull and spinny, also have more durability, everyone in my club now are moving from dignics to Z52.5
I was wondering about that rubber...but I wasn't sure because it's difficult to get it where I live...🤔
Is it too heavy?
Due to the hardness...does it feel a little slower than usual tensor rubbers like Tibhar mx-p or Gewo nexxus 48?✍️📃
Forehand Rasanter R48 2,1 backhand Dicnics 05 or Tenergy 05 and thats it in my opinion
Recommend to boost Rakza Z Extra Hard?
If you're serious about table tennis, cost should not be a concern. High quality rubbers like D09c are worth every penny/dollar/pound etc.
If you are not top 100 in China or top 500 in the world, your equipment doesn't matter that much from a certain degree of quality upwards.
The feeling of dignic09c is much more different with donic c2 or stiga dragon grip. The only similar rubber is rakza z(a soft version of d09c). Although all of them is good rubber, but I think that the rakza z is the only one which can replace it much with similar feeling.
The best alternative to Dignics 09C is the Loki Arthur China, which is super cheap 18$ and it has amazing performance and durability!
Is that Arthur China like hybrid rubber or more like a Hurricane 3? I mean...is it slow or has a tensor sponge too?
🤔
i play with $5 reactor tornado rubbers which are feel a lot like like mark V gls, and i routinely win all those USATT 1000 dumb.sses who spend crazy many on d09c ;-) d09c is for pros who get them for free, that's it
Bro what us boosted ?
Good video, btw may i question, what the alternative for dignic 05 sir? Tks for help
Let me check
Try rakza XX.
I think that the Andro Rasanter C53 is better than Dignics 09c by A LOT. It's also better than Tibhar Hybrid K3 in my opinion.
Rasanter C53 a little bit slower than Dignics 09c but you can make fast shots with it if you are strong. The spin and counterspin is incredible.
In my opinion, Dignics is not even in the contest for best forehand rubber. It is between Hurricane 3, Skyline 2, and Rasanter C53.
por lejos la opción más parecida a dignics09c es la rakza z EH. buen video
I play 4-5 days per week, 2-3 hours each of those days. I’m an all around type player that plays OFF blades. How long would a set of Butterfly Dignics last me on average? Thanks for the help
Depends on what you consider playable rubber. I think the lifespan of the dignics is from 3 months to a full year
3 months
3 months
I'm with dig 09c for 5 months 3 to 6 2 hours and my coach said it's fine.
This doesn't mention anything about durability. The 09C is pretty durable while the dragon grip loses grip in about 2 months. I think Xiom Omega 7 Guang is better than the other choices.
i was so happy to buy dignics but was so dissapointed after 1 month of using them they lost almost everything from their magic i mean they were the best rubbers ive ever used but only for 1 month than they become regular rubbers
I like Donic Coppa Gold
There is no bluestar A1 as well as the newest Stiga DNA hybird
Rakza z and rakza z eh are both deadly slow... I tried both twice, boosted or not -- too slow.
U sure?
can confirm. they are very easy to play however.
@@ajtatosmano2 I tried, I really did... I read somewhere that yasaka sponsored players have a more dynamic sponge under the same Z topsheet
What about Dignics 80?
@@vinadamsllc, really good rubber, to my opinion better than d05 and d64, gonna be great for both forehand and backhand (used it as a forehead rubber (blade TBZLC)) Great choice!
In Korea, Xiom Omega 7 China Guang is compared a lot to
If possible try XIOM Omega7 China Guang.
And, the best alternative I think should be Yasaka 飛龍特注(latest version with blue sponge, only sold in China maybe).
The Mizuno Q Power that just came out is as RAWR as the D09C
Butterfly copies Chinese rubbers characteristics and sells them five times more expensive. It provides the rubbers to top players for free so that amators wanted to buy them for the crazy price. Look at your shoes, what a complicated piece of art they are? Heals,, toe caps, insoles, and outsoles, stitches and seams, laces and so on. How much efforts they require to be made. And you hardly paid for them 100 dollars. I bought four excellent winter tires for my Opel for 50 dollars each made in Turkey. They have been serving me for four winters.
People, wake up! Don't make rich that greedy rascals.
d09c might be overpriced but it's better than the competition
Why forgot Joola ZGX? The best hibrid for me.
I wanted to ask about that one, because I just got it and compared to what I had in the past I can give much more spin on certain shots. Quite happy with it at the moment, but I have no idea if pro players consider that rubber good or not
I also like dignics aero nine see
My table tennis racket is exatelle like this
Xiom Omega 7 China Guang
that would be my vote. I love it on my BH.
Thibar MK???
Nope, it's not hybrid rubber
So why the rubber name is "Hybrid MK"?@@piotrm.1916
Why is there a rainbow in table tennis?
добрый вечер неужели JOOLA DYNARYZ ZGX не похож на Dignics 09c
The closest alternative for me is Xiom Omega 7 China Ying
Xuperman powerplay-x
Codexx gewo was forgotten
True. I tried it (I've seen it too) and it is a very good one. Spinny and lasts a lot. The only problem I (personally) find it it is... heavy. If it were a little lighter... So I still prefer nexxus 48 or super select instead 😢
K3
A lot of people also like the Hurricane 3-50
мне кажется что лучше и тоже дешевле
Just use chinese rubber, low price good quality.
Get a Rozena and you will be good for some time until you get 09
just order it from pakistan for a cheaper price 😂
@@ServeandsmashTT what shop ♥️♥️🏓
Bh +/- ?
Ни Ма Лонг ни Фан ими не играют.
Gift me table tennis bat
victas 22 double extra
rakza z /Y/( good ruber