NASCAR Fan Reacts to Classic Nordschleife Touristenfahrten Laps & Fails
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6:34 Renault Alpine A610
You're right..at first glance looked a 300zx first generation..
i thought it was an alpine
I came to post it's a Renault A610 :)
@@ROBOTRIX_eu i think to Nissan 300zx
@@CrocO1978 I answered at first same, but @Andi_de said Alpine, and i watched in a bigger computer screen, and compared on images from google, and he is right.. It is the rounder alpine..
The late, great Sabine Shmitz but down and awesome lap in a Ford Transit van on Top gear. You may get a kick out of that.
The new studio is looking tops too mate👍
11:03 Toyota celica gt? remember it from toyota celica gt rally, the game. lol
4th gen Toyota Celica, chassis code T16 ,came as 1.6liter ( AT160 ) , 2.0liter ( ST162 ) and 2.0liter turbo 4WD ( ST165 ) .
That corner is really famous, it’s like the first sharp turn after a long faster bit of the track so if you don’t know the track it catches you of guard
Man, those old cars were all soo softly sprung... :)
This corner in particular is excellent for videos like this, it easily catches drivers out, especially beginners. There's tons of videos from there, from all periods. :)
Yep, the quad-S-bend at Adenauer Forst, the place where noobs wipe out.
Medium drivers tries to show off at Brünchen anf pay the price.
Only once you drive something with real power and have the balls to send it over Flugplatz you'll come into Schwedenkreutz fast enough to cause problems.
Of course, I'm an excellent driver.
I love watching this sort of thing. Thanks Ian.
So many people are underestimating that corner back then and still today. The best part is, its relatively easy to take that turn if you know how. The break point of it is kinda unforeseeable as the turn itself is a bit "hidden" meaning you see it a bit late.
Yeah, as a driver, particularly a tourist who's travelled a long way to do some laps, you want it dry and sunny.
As a spectator, though, mixed weather conditions create the most interesting races.
you really don't realise how harsh those curbs are until you see them for yourself, I spunout 1st time I saw them in person (different track)
you heard right about porsche... they are precision knifes but with the rwd and the engine in the back the have alot of mechanical grip, but when the back kicks out is the moment where you can spot a good driver and one who thinks he is a good driver
7:09
That 'big boat' was the smallest Mercedes model you could buy at the the time.
It's an E190 (W201).
13:25 dune buggy based on VW Beetle chassis Meyers Manx, custom for grip apparently.
An Old Porsche is quiet a handfull to drive that is why the old Turbos had the nickname Widowmaker.
in 2 days time that video is exactly 30 year sold!!
Great Video and the new look studio looks amazing
Yes, awesome. There are so many videos on yt of it. You can watch it even from the 70s. Cars are slower but still hilarious.
Bang on 10:55 the on-track car has a very similar profile as the car pictured in the Bathurst 1995 poster on your left. Same rims, right time.... but I don't recognise it....
the early 911 and especially the turbos were very difficult to handle. the newer ones have a lot of electronis that help the driver but you can still spin them...
5:10 Late 80's/early 90's Opel Kadett
5:20 Early 80's Opel Kadett
When i was a child my dad took me to tze nürburgring often
Probably over 60 times
Its absolutely amazing but every time I see a motorcycle on track I get scared
I've seen what happens when you misjudge a turn
You get flown to hospital via helicopter
I love this track but you have to be prepared
It's named "Green Hell" for a reason
being that im from england i love driving in the wet when i used to race i had my best results in the wet
We had the Ford Probe in the UK but it wasn't very popular if I recall.
10:30 female spectator stating "Der schon wieder?" = "Oh it´s him, again ?" 😅
The 911 is tricky to drive. The limit of the car is pretty far, but the moment you get over the limit, they will just spin around. The Boxster/Cayman is much easier to catch.
The issue with 911's on the Nurburgring is the constant weight transfer and the un-even balance
The good old times before ESP 😅 there's some good rollover 😂
In a 911, if you enter a curve too fast, never lose your nerve and let off the throttle or you risk doing a 180°
There is an official youtube video from the TV show auto motor und sport where they did a fastlap with a Claas Xerion 5000 Trac VC on the Nordschleife
@11:23 Ford Probe GT MK1? Toyota Corolla GT AE86? Most Likely, as someone mentioned in the comments, a 1985 - 1989 Toyota Celica because of the tail lights.
@11:26 Yes, but the tail lights are different. The blinkers are slanted on the Probe.
@14:45 It doesn't have to be rainy. There is enough potential to spin out on slightly damp surface.
@17:58 Clearly a Ford KA MK1 that introduced the new edge design AFAIK. Most of the are rusted out by now.
8:14 Weird roll over that is not.
Kerbs on the nordschleiffe are notoriously high.
The car was already turning right when it came down from that kerb, and left side tires landed on to the track. This brought back quite a bit of grip, and now the right side was elevated on the kerb.
There also was minimal slide, so the driver knew his car well enough that the steering input was just on the limit of grip, causing no understeer or oversteer. Also suspension compressing and weight shifting more to the left when the car came down from the kerb.
So, turning right, optimal steering input for turning right, and right side of the car elevated. and suspension compression, causing more lean to left, increasing grip on the left tires. It's quite enough to roll a car.
At 11'09", it's a red coupé Toyota Celica 😉
Don't forget: not only is the demage on this track is not covered by any insurance, they even need to pay if they demage anything on the track! 🤭🤦♂️
6:40 Renault Alpine A610
11:03 Toyota Celica
18:05 Ford Ka Mk1
And yes, we did get some Ford Probe in Europe.
18:00 That is a Ford Ka.
Unlike the other 2 US American car producers, Ford made the wise decision to open a European subsidiary. To design and produce cars in Europe specific for the European market, and many of them are never sold in the US.
One thing to remember is that Nurburgring public sessions aren’t for pushing your cars. They’re tourist laps, so go there as a tourists not a racing driver
10:30 Der schon wieder 😂
Some people never learn
the bleu one in the begin looks like alpine
the black car later is a vw buggy
the last one ford KA😂
Blue car 6.50 are Alpine A610
10:50 Toyota Celica
6:28 Renault-Alpine A610/GTA
6:35 A610 Alpine 250 bhp 3.0 liter V6
My experience all full pedigree sports cars are a handfull, where effect and handling is taken to the brink. Thus it is demanding a experienced driver to be driven to the cars potential. Its kind of the point, in my mind anyways. 😅
Hi there
The new Studio looks great 😊
And still love your Videos.
You musst have to visit the
„Classic Race“ Event at Nürburgring. Gues you will like it 🤪
Grüße aus Deutschland Spartacus
18:01 Ford Ka 1,1 L enigne Vmax 142 km/h = 88 mph.
Last one is a Ford Ka
Looking forward 🙂
17:49 That my Hairy Boy is build by your Fords! If the assembly line production would not invite to rethink in wordwidegrow at the Time its now. --Then-> 1996, Sir Henry Ford JRJR would have built the Model Ka and had made history. Its build so you Amarican can smile and laugh with (or above) the Germans!
6:48 Toyota Celica
Alpine A610
I miss Sabine.
6:40 looks like a Nissan 200ZX?
There's a much more insane video from the 1960s and perhaps early 1970s. Search "Nurburgring Nordschleife Crashes 1970 at Adenauer Forst. NEW ! More crashes" or "Vintage Nürburgring Funny & Dramatic Crash (Remastered) HD".
Not so surprising to see a VW Beetle. It used to be you could take out the engine and put in a Porsche engine without big trouble. The shape of the chassis was almost identical. And a few bolts later and a set of wider tires and you are off. If I remember well you could also take the seats and just bolt them in. I have seen many Beetles with Porsche engines here in Netherlands. Not so much the last 20 years though. Just as Mini, Beetle was used for "budget"racing and would take easy upgrades.
The blue car you were intrigued by was, I think, a Nissan - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_180SX
Blue car is a Renault Alpine GTA Le Mans
@17:58 FORD KA
I went through the video and tried to catch every single car, in order:
VW Polo Mk II + Audi Quattro
VW Corrado + VW Polo Mk II
VW Golf Mk I
Opel Ascona B (the burnout)
Opel Kadett E (+ motorbike)
VW Polo Mk II
(Interior shot)
Motorbikes
BMW 3 series (E30)
BMW 3 series (E21) + Opel Omega A
(Nissan 180 SX nope, stand corrected) Alpine A610 (popup lights and the round Alpine logo had me stumped)
Mercedes 190E ('Baby-Benz', barrier crash)
Motorbikes
VW Scirocco Mk II
VW Golf Mk II + Porsche 911 (930)
Mercedes SL (R129) - I had a summer job in the factory in Bremen where those were built! :D
Opel Kadett D (Rollover)
Audi 80 (B3 or B4 - they changed details one can not/barely see on this grainy material)
Opel Ascona C (rattlecan touchup)
VW Golf Mk II
BMW 3 series (E36)
Mercedes S-class (R126)
Renault R5 Turbo (Rallye homologation model with mid-engine layout)
VW Scirocco Mk II
VW Beetle
Motorbike
Opel Rekord E2
Mitsubishi Colt GTI (I presume - the details of the wheelarches are lacking in visuals, the car being black)
Porsche 911 Cabrio (964)
Toyota Celica (T16)
BMW 3 series (E30)
Opel Kadett D
VW Golf Mk I
VW Beetle-based buggy kit-car
VW Polo Mk III + VW Golf Mk III
VW Golf Mk I
(some 5 series BMW in the still, then)
Lotus Elise
Motorbike
VW Golf Mk II (Barrier crash)
Porsche 911 Cabrio G-model (US spec)
Porsche 911 (964)
Subaru Impreza Mk II or Mk III (+2 BMW 3 series E30s)
In-car footage and exterior of what seems to be a Toyota Carina station wagon
Motorbikes
Ford Ka
at 10:28 it's a mk1 clio 16v, not a colt gti✌
14:50 Not a 930.
E23 is 7 series. But there was a red E21 somewhere at.. 6:18
@@gaborzsoldos781 my bad, should have read E28.
@@theogantenbein7870 those ugly unpainted plastic bumpers say not a 911 anymore, but also no 964 (those had painted, more flush bumpers) Also, the lights mounted in the bumpers.... Theoretically, it could have been a G-model, but those had smaller bumpers.
13:54 "Trust me, I'm a good driver!" Famous last words on the Nürburgring😁
He probably is because he drives a manual too.
17:54 is a ford ka.
2:41 vw Polo
4:59 Opel Ascona
11:05 Toyota Celica
18:03 Ford Ka
Polo G40 🙌
und ein Mitsubishi war auch noch dabei
@@fronterag40What makes you say that? I thought G40's came on BBS wheels and had a red G40 grill badge. Looks kind of base spec with aftermarket wheels to me.
@@eyesodd most of them was regular polo, but there is one or 2 there, the bumpers for exemple, not only the wheeles.
@@eyesodd there was two series of G40s , a preseries of 100 cars around 1987 black coupes with round front lights and little red G40 badges. And the regular series from 1991 to 1993 with square lights and bbs wheels and a red striped on the bumpers…
You should see footage from the 70s. That´s really wild. You´ll see oldschool cars that handle very badly, more flips, people flying out of cars because there weren´t seatbelts etc. Totally badass :D
Yeah those are some narly vids.
Yeah, stupidity and recklessness is totally badass.😂
"Rhapsodie in Blech 1 MPEG2" is one of the videos on youtube
Yeah , i once saw my Dad in one of those. Not driving , running to an crashed Car to help the one who crashed trough his non savetyglass sidewindow back on his feed.
At that time, it was not possible to memorize the racetrack due playing the track on a console or PC. Most drivers were completely unprepared and had no driving aids at all. Even ABS was anything but common and was only available in the upper and luxury classes.
The blue coupé is à Alpine Renault A610 turbo 🇫🇷😉
I thought it was a Mitsubishi 3000 "something".
911s were called Widow-Makers. For a reason. With the weight being distributed mostly towards the rear, managing weight shifts - especially in curve-combinations - is a real challenge. The rear loves to take a good look at where you're driving. More modern Porsches have the motor more in the middle of the car, providing MUCH better balance. But the classic 911s were/are, indeed, a handful to drive.
Only the 911 930 turbo's earned that nickname. "When the rear slides, DO NOT LIFT" was a hard rule. If you lift, it is gone.
They require a different approach to turns when you're close to the limit, only brake in straights and gradually accelerate out of the corner. The Turbos on the other hand... I hope you learn your torque curve and shifting rev matches perfectly, otherwise, there's going to be surprises when you downshift into the high end of the powerband.
Last car is a Ford KA (1st Gen)
In Australia back in the day, if you bought a brand new Ford Falcon. You could buy the Ford Ka for half price.
@@willernst8734 Probably you could tranport it in the boot😄
In France caca (sounds like kaka) mean poo, so we called that car the Ford kaka because we tought it was ugly 🤣 Also we say Merde for shit and there is a Nissan MR2 that sound exactly like merde in french so they removed the 2 when they selled the car in France and sticked to Nissan MR.
Being Portuguese, I can relate to some similar linguistic mishaps.
The Opel Ascona and Hyundai Kona have an intonation reminiscent of the slang name for female genitalia. The Hyundai has been renamed the Kauai.
I had a Ford KA back in '98. It was really nice to drive BUT it came only with 50 or 60 bhp with a 1.3l motor. Nothing for a track day^^
911s are known as widowmakers (the old ones).
Its the Porsche 930 Turbo made from 1975 to 1989..
Especially the early turbos, they had the reputation of really requiring you to know what you were doing.
@@rasmuswi Yeah. its almost like Porsche invented Turbo lag :D 930, Crazy cars. All of them
@@JoriDiculous * BMW 2002 Turbo has entered the chat * 😀
@@rasmuswi another (forgotten) gem of a beast !!
About twenty years ago, one of my clients was an IAM instructor/examiner and I will always remember the thing he told me about bad drivers. "THE very worst drivers are the ones who think they are really good drivers"
Dunning-Kruger Effect: This phenomenon describes how people who are incompetent in a particular domain tend to overestimate their own abilities and performance. They are often unaware of their own mistakes and lack the skills to recognize their own limitations.
Over confident and lack of skills is the most dangerous combination
Set up is looking awsome , not to bad of a work environment 😂. 🤘❤️🇪🇺🇺🇲
That last car was Ford Ka it's really good to drive even with this bubble design
The cars in order: VW Polo 2 + Audi Coupe, VW Corrado + VW Polo 2, VW Golf 1, Opel Ascona B, Opel Kadett D, BMW 3series e30, BMW 3series e21+ Opel Senator A2, Renault Alpine A610 ( rear mounted V6 shared with the DeLorean DMC12 ) , Mercedes 190E W201 + Audi 80, VW Scirocco 2, Ford Focus + Porsche 911, Mercedes SL R129, Opel Kadett D, Audi 80, Opel Rekord E1, VW Golf 2, BMW 3series e36, Mercedes E Class W124, Renault 5 Turbo 2, VW Scirocco 2, VW Käfer, Opel Rekord E2, Renault Clio + VW Golf 1, Porsche 911, Toyota Celica T16 ( was available in the US and isn´t a Ford Probe but the Probe was available in Europe ) , BMW 3series e30, Opel Kadett D, VW Golf 1, I don´t know but looks like a Buggy kit car based on a VW Käfer chassis, VW Polo 3 + VW Golf 3, VW Golf 1, BMW 5series e12, Lotus Elise, VW Golf 2, Porsche 911, Porsche 911, Subaru Impreza GC8 + two BMW 3series e30, Toyota Avensis T22, Ford Ka .
The blue mistery car is an Alpine A610. Mid-Engine 3l V6 Turbo with 250 PS.
Rear engine, not mid engine. ;-)
4:43 True, it is fun. But of you crash your car into someone else’s car or into the barrier you are gonna pay for that! Because insurance is not covering you on the circuit.
I think, nowadays they do, just with a high deductible. Tourist days basically have public road rules, not race rules.
You have to let people pass by going right lane and signalling that you saw them, and they have to wait until you blink, for example. Also speed limit on certain spots. And you are not allowed to publish accident footage and lap times.
@@agricolaurbanus6209 I'm sure some might cover it if you pay up. On my insurance however it speciffically mention nurnburg ring as one of the places I'm not covered.
@@DonGorgen I guess, you could get some Ring insurance with the car if you rent one there.
And another thing is, on tourist days, since it is considered public road-ish, you are not allowed to run a car in public without insurance.
Anyway, if you cause damage, you will pay a certain amount yourself, maybe 20k or so, idk.
As for this video, I think, some of the behaviour displayed will get you banned nowadays.
@@agricolaurbanus6209 You need to pay a fee to enter a closed off area wich makes it a closed cicuit, even if the traffic rules are similar to what we have on the road.
And yeah there are rental companies that do rent out speciffically for the track, and there are insurance companies that do offer temporary insurance for your track day, but they are quite pricy from what I've heard.
I even slept on the Nürburgring on a nightliner tourbus when our band played at Rock am Ring.
Our driver was so happy driving the big double decker bus around the track to get our backstage parking. We had N.E.R.D. Parked on the left of us and Damageplan on the right. Awesome memories!
The last car (bubble) is a Ford KA
Why do you think the Nürburgring IS called the " Green hell !"????...now you See IT...❤😂😊
Of all the 'Nordschleife Touristenfahrten' videos I've seen, it's always the Economy Cars and Work Vehicles that look like the Most fun. 😂😂
Nürburgring hosts one of the biggest music festivals in germany - rock am ring. Here is a great video from nürburgring company preparing for Rock am Ring 2023 (english subtitles):
ruclips.net/video/AALrUwMAL00/видео.html
They also explain the Nordschleife and F1 track and how they are connected...
Left of the blue fridge? Is something moving and it drives me crazy because my brain constantly wants to see what’s moving.
It's one of those waving cat figurines.
uh yea super annoying for my brain too
Modern Porsche 911 models are fairly save, but in particular some 1970s versions were sometimes referred to as ‘widow makers’ (Witwenmacher). Rear wheel drive, engine behind the rear axle, relatively powerful, no stability controls, compared to toady mediocre tires are not a great recipe for stability.
One version that stands out is the first turbo version of the 911 sold. Even more power combined with a very sudden power surge as the turbo kicks in, in the rain you’d want to stay out of the turbo range.
The Nürburgring is technically not a track, it is a public tool road. You car must have valid insurance and safety inspection and you must have a valid drivers licence in order to be able to drive there.
If you have a crash you are responsible for the recovery costs to remove your car and you have to pay for any damage to do to the Armco barrier as well as the costs to fix it.
I live 3½ hours from the Nürburgring and one day I will go and drive around it.
The last car is a Ford Ka and they handle surprisingly well for being a cheap hatchback.
10:30 this one's made even more embarrassing by the comment of the lady "Der schon wieder?" means "that guy again?"… seems like he's been practicing this for a while 🙂
The image quality is so sharp. Amazing. Great improvement!
Love your new studio! The audio and visual, is perfect.
love the new set up Ian great work!
Where the most of the clips were filmed from is Adenauer forst, the chicane you see is after a very fast section of the track (Fuchsrohre) and is a blind entry hence the snap oversteer fails!
The evil thing about Adenauer Forst isn't even that it's blind, but that the radius of the curve actually changes rather dramatically so when you first spot it and you think "got it" suddenly it tightens up and you end up not gotting it at all. My first few laps of the 'ring I spun out at AF because I was going too fast going in - you actually have to watch for some landmarks and start braking even though there's nothing to see just yet
Realising how suspensions evolved in the years
Yes, the chassis and tyres of many of the cars shown here were state of the art by the standards of the time. In addition, there were almost no assistance systems, not even ABS was particularly widespread, apart from the really expensive cars here.
Back in the 90s tuning was rare and wheels, brakes and suspension where not made for the track. Today, you buy a BMW M(x), a Ford Focus STi, a Honda Civic Type R or something comparable (every manufacturer has his own "sports" variant) and you have a really nice track car for the streets.
At 6.40....it's Renault Alpine A610!!!..😊
17:50 It's a Ford, we laugh about every Ford over here. 👍🏼
The tiny rims were all the rage in the early/mid 90s. They couldn’t be too small, 13“ 12“, the smaller, the better.
6:41 Renault Alpine A310! 🤗
And yes, Porsche 911s require competent drivers. You have to really respect them and their limits or you'll end up in all messes roads can throw at you. The good thing is that they are reliable enough to be pretty high up the range sports cars that are daily drivers. This gives you the opportunity to get experienced with them. Many of the Porsche owners really get to know their cars and Porsches used to be the ones going over the Nürburgring at incredible pace at the Touristenfahrten.
6:25 alpine gta
10:53 maybe a ford escort
13:24 perhaps a meyers manx
The Green Hell Nurburg Ring 😮 🔥
Porsche 911, especially the old turbos are awesome puristic driving machines, but if you don't really know for sure what you are doing and you push it it may as well kill you. If that back starts coming around you better do something quick or that's it...
If you watch any of the old British rallycross videos around 1985-1990 you'll see that Porsches are no faster than a Ford escort, Vauxhall Astra, mini, metro.
You need to react to Sabine Schmitz driving a Ford Transit around the Ring on TopGear back in the days.
Congrats with the new studio! Awesome!
0:08 Congratulations on the new studio equipment
Cars others didn't mention:
5:16 - Opel Kadett
9:40 - Renault 5 Turbo (the same that was used in Group B)
11:33 - Opel Kadett
17:30 - Toyota Avensis SW
Him: ''Hi Darling !''
Her: ''Where have you been ? And why did you go by Taxi ? Where is our car ?''
Him: '' Well Darling... Don`t worry ...I`ll fix that...''
4:50
An Opel Ascona B, which is the sedan version of the famous Opel Manta B.
This one specifically has the official colour scheme of the Opel racing division.
But, I guess, it only has the 2.0l I4 CIH-engine. Maybe with mods, like 40/45 DCOE Weber carbs and 2,5" (Group A) exhaust and maybe aggressive cam mods, telling by the sound.
The footage was filmed at the Adenauer Forst. And yes, that footage is from 1994. The most „cars“ are shoe boxes, usual for that time. I never liked a VW Golf, I always drove a BMW.
Dude, your mancave is awesome! I want the blue mini fridge for my drinks 😁
First car is a Opel Corsa mk2 from the early 90's. There could also be a Volkswagen Polo mk2 and a Citroën AX from the early 90's in there as well, the car logo's were removed because that was considered 'cool' in those days. 😅 These little hatchbacks are under 13 feet, no a/c, manual gearboxes, probably no power steering, basic 1,000-1,400cc 4 cylinder engines from around 45-60 bhp. 0-62 times were from 13 seconds up to 20 seconds. These cars weighed between 1,500 to 1,800 lb and could fit 4-5 adults (if you squeezed a bit)😂.
Standard versions cost around 8,000-10,000 $ at the time. The last car is a 90's Ford KA with 60 bhp, quite fun/sporty handling car despite its bubbly looks, it did 0-62 in 13 seconds and that's considered 'not slow but just enough' for European standards. We do drive them on highway speeds up to 75 mph, pedal to the metal of course in the slow lane 😂