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For BBC Top Gear, the late, great Sabine Schmitz did this track in a Ford Transit Van, great viewing.
Had to jump off and watch that again. amazing lap. so sad :-(
in 10 min ! 🎉🎉
YESSS!!! WE NEED A iWrocker reaction to that! I think Ian would LOVE it!
RIP.
Spare a thought for the poor guy who decided to take his motorcycle for a blast around the Nordschliefe that day, only to find himself getting blown away by a girl in a Ford Transit van. RIP Sabine "Queen of the Ring" Schmitz.
The reason hot hatches never gained popularity in the US is simple, too many Americans still believe that the only way to make a car go fast is to stuff a bigger engine in the car. "There is no replacement for displacement" is the term that comes to mind, the problem is big engines are heavy and they need to go in big cars that are also heavy so so much of the power is wasted just hauling all that weight around and they don't corner because it harder to get all that weight to change directions.
... and they don't have corners!
In the US roads tend to be long, wide and straight, small hatchbacks just don't fit there that well... they are lighter and more nimble, but there's very little occasions where this would show. There are very few countries with similiar road networks, but in US big cars with big engines are at home. Car with big powerful engine, maybe some drag races on remote highways, enjoying of sounds and high speeds - this just US version of people enjoying of great handling and acceleration on smaller twisty roads elsewhere.
Racing in the US is purely made as profitable entertainment to audiences as possible, sadly it really shows and there's no excuse for it. Drag racing is exception though, fits the US car culture perfectly and makes sense why it has such history and popularity.
This is obviously not a 205 T16 Group B version, or the civil version but a 205 GTI with 405 T16 engine swapped on it. The 205 T16 was a by-product of the racing program. It shared nothing with the mass-production 205 except the windscreen, doors and headlamps. Mechanically it was completely different, most notably its mid-engined and 4-wheel-drive layout. The fact that it was shaped and named to be a 205 member was purely to promote the sales of the mass production car.
It’s a home built for track performance, based on a regular 205gti, with a turbo kit added.
It’s a little under 300bhp and well under a tonne in weight, so power to weight is way higher than most performance cars of the day.
@@DontPanicDear It's not a turbo kit added on a 205 engine, it's a engine swap to a 406 T16 engine.
That’s the same engine, with a 16valve head.
Regardless, it’s a 1.9 with a turbo added. Did you hear the induction, waste gate and exhaust? That’s what fi engines sound like.
The second car is an NA build, which you can again, hear quite clearly.
@@DontPanicDear Obviously talking about the first one... From the info to the original video... "This is obviously not a 205 T16 Group B version, or the civil version but a 205 GTI with 405 T16 engine swapped on it"
It's a bit of a myth that front wheel drive makes the car always understeer, they don't. It's very much a question of clever engineering. I've driven all sorts of cars, front- rear- 4-wheel drive during my almost 60 year driver career, private and professional. My present front wheel drive car has a toe-out front geometry - to make it more agile into the corner - and toe-in at the back to keep control of the rear. On ice and snow, and even gravel, it turns in beatifully and I can let the rear out by using the throttle whenever I need. BUT... not all front wheel cars can do that even if it's more common today than 30 years ago. Thank you for sharing your thoughts! 👍😎
If you want to go fast in a front wheel drive hatchback, accelerate soft to hard through corners.
I’ve got an old diesel Golf with good tyres it’s pretty quick out of corners.
You get more control of the whole wheels and engine mass pulling wherever you point it and the rest of the car just trails behind.
Peugeot rally car 205 T16 Evolution 2 335 kW (450 hv) @ 7500 r/min 0-100 km/h 2.9 s , civilian version 147 kW (200 hv) @ 6750 r/min 0-100 6s
Rally cars don’t have basic cheap roll cages. That’s a ‘Dash dodger’ cage 😮
Go and watch a video of an actual T16 and you’ll see the difference. These cars are just locals in their ex-daily cars.
Tame.
here the trad of the french driver :
2:36 : "ho move !"
4:39 : "i make sign to the bike to tell him he can overpass me"
5:14 : "hey move away !"
8:56 : "i move on the side to let pass the bike, but nothing"
by the heavy sound of the turbo, she's not a stock gti version.
Trad as in traduction? That would translate as tran/trans/transl (not sure what to pick 😂). I know, very meta 😂
Anyway, thanks for the trad! 😉
@@gbormann71 you'r right, my phone correct me and go back to french :D
@@nikline60 That pesky auto-correct! I switch it off, now I suffer from fat fingers! 😄
205 gti with a 405 T16 engine.
@@gbormann71 I'd rather have fat fingers than auto correct correcting acronyms it doesn't know
I'm at the ring right now for the 24h race tomorrow.😊
First video was road version 205 T16 mid engine 4wd made for Group B, Extremely rare (200 produced) and cost arround 300k to 500k today
Ian drive through the mountains between France and Spain and the 205 T16, 206 & Renault r5 turbo make huge sense!
T16 means Turbo 1.6. it's the top sports model derived from motorsport. So, not GTI, not swapped, just rare and extremely fun. Also had a 405 T16.
The 205 T16 is the road legal version of the group B 205. To enter group B you had to sell road legal versions of it. This is it. It is absolutely not anything to do with any other 205, including the gti. Engine in the back, 4 wheel drive, a turbo the size of a small engine, about double the power of a gti (which amount to I think 250ish hp, about half the rally version so it could actually be used ^^) while weighting nothing. it is a monster :)
Hi, Proud to be French when i see this guy taking over the blue Porsche and shooting at it to make it move away 😂
Btw the Peugeot 205 T16 is the version with central rear position, that version the Group B one, 200 exemplaires road legals were made and sold to be able to put the car on the WRC Group B Championship
I used to drive our 205 GTI back in 1989.
The thing was real quick and glued to the road.
You feel pretty confident stomping the gas.
the hot hatch smoking all others at the nürburgring lately is the toyota gr yaris...people are saying driving a well modded gr yaris on the track is like a cheat code. was just at the nürburgring last week...live about a hours drive away from the ring and decided to take my 1987 mercedes 190e for a tourist lap...was hell of fun and even managed to smoke some more modern cars...everyone can drive the ring for 25 euros per lap...can only say its a must do if your ever in germany and a car freak...there are even car rentals specially for the ring with really nice cars as options.
Driving an ordinary Yaris on a motorway can be a frightening experience but my mothers' Opel Corsa MKI was even worse.
@@flitsertheo over here in germany thats a pretty common thing hitting the autobahn with a yaris, corsa, polo, fiat 500, and so on... even with a smart for two...never really made me nervous at all...why would it be frightning?in germany at least people drive pretty disciplined even at high speeds so not much to fear even in low powered small cars... even when we lived in california in the 80´s and 90´s we drove a vw scirocco mk1 and a triumph spitfire for many years and the only time we got a bit nervous was when we got in a semi truck(lorry) sandwich on the highway, and that just about makes anybody uncomfortable no matter what car your in...!but back to the yaris again, a gr yaris is no ordinary small hatch, its a rally homologation hot hatch with 276 hp and allwheel drive...the gr yaris is definatly not your average 50 hp city grocery getter and known to smoke some really high end cars on a track and on the road!
Ruf CTR " Yellow Bird " Nürburgring 1987.
That one is one vicious video. 😮
@@RustyDust101 A bit hard on the tires.
Yeah dude! It’s my all time favorite Porsche video what made me a Ruf fan. I think they making the best tuned Porsches. Plus it’s funny to watch Stefan Rosenberg driving a the hell out of the car in white socks and loafers on. 😂
I remind him of the advertising in France which said that the 205 was a hell of a number
I'm headed to the Ring next Thursday on my Yamaha MT07. It's only a 2 hour ride to get there from where I live. It's the best thing in the world
@IWrocker Nürburgring is basically a just a one-way public toll road, and not a race track per se (anymore)...
my Hothatch was an 1992 Mazda 323 GTR back in the Days,,,, greetings from Switzerland
If you want to see a madman doing it, watch Misha Charoudin. He’s now in a racing team with ex sim racer/shed dweller Jimmy Broadbent, whose story is incredible!
Greetings from the Nordschleife! 24hours tomorrow, best race in the World. DONT MISS THAT!
Le Man is better
@@sam915 It's Le Mans and they are both very good races in their own right. I love Le Mans but 24h on the Nordschleife in rain and night is just something really special.
8:57 he moved aside cause he thought a motorcycle wanted to pass, but he did not pass.
The T16 was the model used for homologation for the WRC championship....a limited series...It's not an engine swap, it's a REAL model...
200 BHP, All Wheel drive...
Probably why it looks so stable, the normal ones (GTI 1.6 and 1.9) are front wheel drive...
That subtitle means "I pull to the side to let the motorbike overtake me, but nothing happens".
I have driven FWD sports sedans for years. I inherited my sister's '98 Dodge Dakota. Nice pipes. Racing stuff in the rear. When my sister passed away last Oct., I attempted to drive the truck up to the Sierra foothills to visit my friends. A car cut me off, clipped the front left bumper, I slammed on the brakes and that damn truck spun like a top on I-5 in Stockton, CA (Yeah I know) at rush hour. Didn't hit a damn thing, for some reason. Just busted the lens on a rear tail-light. I drove for a living for many years, and I have never had a car spin on me like that, ever.
The 205 T16 was a mid engine car with the engine and the gearbox build in low and it was a 4 wheel drive. This car was build for racing.
I´ve done in summary 98 rounds on that track, most of them with my VW Corrado VR6 Biturbo and the rest with Opel Calibra, Nissan R35 GT-R and Nissan Skyline.
With an heavy weight US muscle car, you can't drive the track precisely at the limit, our compact and light Hatches and Coupes are much better suited for this.
I miss my Corrados (had to sell after I was made redundant at work). Both '92 VR6s. They didn't sell very well in the US, most people here saw the price sticker, said "$25K for a Volkswagen?!?", and walked out of the dealership. I loved them. Like a FWD Porsche 944, just so well balanced. And that VR6 sound!
Sometimes you find a TRUE sleeper at the Nürburgring.
There are videos in that a little Hyundai or Toyota is teasing a BMW M or Porsche. 😂
I'm not sure if I miss my Renault 5 Alpine Turbo - or not. That thing was so fast, broke down so fast and ate so fast gas...
those 2 cars are 205 GTI Peugeot, with lots of customization..... I owned one in the 90's, I was 20 yo .... it was the more exciting car I've ever had.... I owned or drive more powerfull cars, but the 205 was SO FUN to drive! 😁
Passing on the Ring doesn't mean they're faster than someone else. It's not a race. People are there to have fun, not everyone's driving on the edge. You see someone coming up, you get out of their way there. This one had some examples of people who don't know the rules or don't care.
This Driver is Misha Charoudin, pro racer, fastest driver and King of the Nürburgring Nordschleife.👴👌😳
(Has 2 channels here on YT)
I'm French and this track is the best in the world, no other comes close, not even Le Mans.
Hot hatchs were my 20s,no power steering and no weight for awesome handling.
you should check out some hillclimb with opel kadett c coupe . they sound amazing. nice old cars. 50 years old but still active. great light shells for racing. im sure youre gonna love that sound. theyre NA but screams for mercy XD
I would like for you te look at, why the Netherlands is so well designed. Oh btw, i also think you would like, why american roads are so dangerous.
That turbo sounds delicious
Peugeot 205 "T16" must be an engine swap from the 8 valve original to the 16 valve engine with a turbo😳
You should take a look at the Ford Sierra Sapphire Cosworth, road cars and not rally, the later 4x4 versions are the best looking, the earlier 2wd obviously being the most fun.
The later 4x4 sapphire is the best looking European ford ever made in my opinion, just edging out the Escort Cosworth which isn't actually an escort and is a shortened Sierra with Escort looking panels on the chassis.
Hello from Germany! I have a recommendation for you! Take a look at the Mercedes CW111/112, a record car, a sports car that drove 1000 km on one liter of diesel.And that was in the seventies! A very nice car that hardly anyone knows about! Greetings Nephilim
Nice video again. And yes, you guys in the US missed out on various cool hot hatches and other cool cars like the European Ford Capri (essentially the European Mustang) and many more, but it’s the other way around too…we missed out on all that cool and raw American muscle…
BTW, I once offered you to have a ride in my Ford Escort RS Cosworth 4x4 if you ever visit Germany…that will get even easier now, since I’m moving to Houston TX soon, so if you want to feel a real Group A Star from Europe your are still welcome to have a ride in it, doesn’t matter if you wanna film or not, I don’t do this to get fame or anything, just one car guy giving another car guy the opportunity to experience something many Americans had to miss out on. So if you are interested HMU.
And keep the cool videos up, like your work.👍🏻
Ian, you can catch several races this weekend on RUclips in this ring, there are German and English videos in the official RUclips channel
It's no longer a 205 but a missile (I had a 205, my brother had 4 205, my brother in law and my sister had 3 205, there's a 205 at every street corner here) this car's engine isn't stock but I think the undercarriage too. It's a 205 but only in appearance (it's more like a ground to ground low-cost missile)
The clutch and declutching sound as if it is pneumatic? The T16 engine must be made for the Rallye version 205 T16 turbo, a 2.0 liter 16 Valve turbo with in excess of 300 bhp in 1984? There was also a 406 Mi 16 turbo awd racing limousine
For a giggle: Patrese gives his wife a quick lap around Jerez circuit.
ruclips.net/video/oIhGJyLR6TI/видео.html
The dialogue is in, I believe, Italian, but you will get the general idea...
My mate drove his Saab around this track but not at these kind of speeds but just to say he'd done it . 🇬🇧
You kinda nailed it. Americans always think bigger is better. But a small sporty, fast hatchback is so fun to drive.
a Camaro or a Corvette on the Nurbrugring seems like a bad idea to me because this track has curves and US cars and curves don't really go together, I mean, take independent wheel suspension, we already had the US pas de zeros in the 80's, so an American car from the 80"S at the Nurburgring I think and am almost certain you won't like it
12:16 Exampel if Ford Mustang 5,0 is 500hp and wheigt 1670 kg / 3678 lbs then for one hp get 3,34 kg / 7.356 lbs .. BUT these race hatchback wheigt 720kg / 1580lbs and 268 hp = 1hp to 2.686 kg / 5.895 lbs = 21 %more power for each kg /lbs.
Got a little bit of road noise on that Peugeot.
The first clip was a t16 swap?? 🤗🤗🤗 I wouldn’t drive that 😃 that’s proper battle. The second clip a great frontdrive balance, I would love to drive that 😃👍 greetings everyone
It's a bit nuts how quick hot hatches are now, I had a golf R a few years back which was a second quicker 0-60 than a Countach, but it didn't actually feel that quick....bit different to the mx 5 I now have which feels fast at 50mph lol
What's exciting about driving a fast car that everyone knows is a fast car? It's much more exciting to drive a car that nobody expects to be faster than a fighter jet.
Driving a slow car fast is way more fun than driving a fast car fast.
Back then, a road-trim Porsche, even with significant upgrades and a race-licensed driver, would never be a match for a full race-trim 205 with a professional driver. Chalk and cheese. There were/are all sorts of cars and bikes on the Ring, so you cannot always see their trim or know the level of the driver/rider.
Nerves..nerves is what it takes and yes they are insane but dignified..he..he.!
Hi ian, at this very moment the 24H nurburgring is going on live on youtube, might be worth a watch
French car are very good for cornering but on the strait line is kind of ok. A french car could be a weapon on a canyon road.
It`s like Grand Tourismo..with no family waiting for the bring outs
Gran Turismo
Hey, i realized you paid some respect to the escorts but this video of Simon McKinley is a classic must watch.
I do find it funny that you're watching a 205 T16 thinking it's just a normal hot hatch :)
I think we love stuff that are strange and uncommon for us. 205GTi is great, especially 1,9 one , but I'd rather prefer Nova SS or Chevelle, since I never seen any in real life. 205 GTI was sitting for few years in my neighborhood not a long time ago, friend of mine has it back in 90, an one guy at my job still owns regular 205, not GTI
Most 200hp hot hatches will beat a muscle car with twice the power on a twisty track like nordschleife since they’re so much lighter
C'est de la physique .... Le rapport poid / puissance ... Dans les virages ... La force centrifuge ... Etc ...😄😄
You can call all small french hot hatches a pocket rocket :D 205 is a very small car.
Its a shame that safety regs have made cars so heavy and the move to electrification has killed the hot hatch.
With 200Hp and 850kg and 4 weel drive he shut be fast
Whenever someone says they like the sound of a car i get confused.
They all sound the same and they are all just loud.
If this is really a real Peugeot 205 T16 in the video, then it was no fun for the driver. Because: four-wheel drive, tuned engine, no power steering (from the way the man works at the steering wheel, I assume that could be the case). It is just stressful to keep this little beast of a car on the black line.
The first part of Peugeot is pronounced PAIR.
if you are checking out hot hatches, you will probably like Jordan Cox driving his Honda Civic at Mt. Panorama in improved production racing
ruclips.net/video/gCeF-bZK684/видео.html
The funny thing is that I have driven around this track so many times in games and watched videos, that I know every corner that is coming up. I have never been there. How are they not wearing crash helmet's?
*sigh* the Nurburgring. It used to be great. It still kind of is, but I won't go there anymore. Back in the day (yeah, old fart here) people respected it, both those driving, and those spectating. Now? People drive like absolute utter maniacs because, well, seems to be the norm now. Dangerous driving, dangerous behaviour everywhere, and it's all done off as "ehh no big deal". The community that once was quite nice has turned toxic AF. Spectators used to clean up after themselves. Now, it's like the place has turned into a garbage dump. If you have a chance to drive it, do so, but don't go out of your way to do it.
Watch Guy Martin in his transit van around there ..
205 T16 is basically a road version of a group B car. It is a factory upgraded mid engine car .
anf there were only 5 hundreds made for the homologation if i rememberer correctly/ I guess it most be around 150K euros now...not really your typical peugeot 205 GTI
@@fgtag2429 And only 20 needed for the Evolution homologation
@@fgtag2429 more like 500k ....
200 for homologation and 20 for evolution
@@Carlos_Magalhaes Yep. They did 200 for the Group B homologation, 20 for Evo1 and 20 for Evo2.
Nurburgring 24 hour starts tomorrow and into Sunday, all live on the tubes guys.
Start at 16.00 h MEST - Chicago time is -7h :)
i'm going to see it live .
Is it around Nordschleife too?
I'll drive over there in the morning, but I'll take the motorcycle even though it will rain for sure, since there will be no getting through by car
@@mfsars1075 Yes it is. 24h at the Nordschleife.
5:12: "Allez avance toi" The driver is complaining the Porsche is too slow hahahah
You're on the Nürb, testing your brand new Porsche, and suddenly, an old 205 is horning to overtake you. 😂
BOUGES!!!!
Watch Sabine Schmidt ( the Queen of Nürburgring ). There is an excellent BBC show Top Gear and thye showed her doing it in a van. Sadly she passed from cancer but this is unbelievable of someone who has driven the track thousands of time. Really, she drove it every day.
Second this! 👍
My bucket list is ambitious. Don't just want a lap of The 'Ring, I wanna stay in her family's old hotel over in Adenau. I wonder how long in advance I'd have to book a room.
He already did.
Her name was Sabine Schmitz (for better Google results)
I’d rather drive a slow car quickly than a fast car slowly.
That Peugeot is not slow however, if your car is that light even 200hp will send it like a rocket. That's why Lotus Elise's are supercar quick around tracks even with just 1.8l and 2.0l engines.
@@bzilla-d4i obviously. Just saying, I’ve seen hundreds of Nordschliefe videos and the most exciting ones have small, high revving engines and a high power to weight ratio. I’d rather watch a modified Honda Civic that revs to 9,000 rpm lap the Nordschliefe than a McLaren Senna. This Peugeot doesn’t rev high because it’s a turbo, but it’s still fast.
You want to see the ultimate "A good driver can make a huge difference" check out - Sabine Schmitz's Nurburgring Van Challenge.
You should check out this video "AX diesel Nurburgring record lap 9:55 BTG"
It is a guy who practised for 7 years and finally pushed his old 52hp Citroen AX diesel to the limit and get a sub 10 minute lap. Absolute legend!
This goes to show, it doesn't always have to be sportscar or a hothatch.
One of the funniest and satisfying videos I've watched in a while. That guy is straight up gangster for driving that fast in a Citroen AX around the track and he really pushed that thing to its absolute limit, almost losing control a couple of times. Saluer à ce gars!
I have driven a stock AX for a few years and yes ... this car is well balanced altough still ugly 🤭
Certainly impressive given the diesel AX isn't even turbocharged, I believe it used the same 1.5l XUD engine my old diesel Peugeot 106 had, all torque and no revs but I liked owning mine, I could also get it to do over 60 mpg
I love that video, the guy is driving the absolute arse out of a diesel ax, I watched the video with a pal and we both cheered when the lap finished.
@IWrocker guy who suggested the video on Discord here, with context around the first Peugeot 205 Video:
The video's title is slightly click-baity in that it claims it's a "Peugeot 205 T16". A 'real' Peugeot 205 T16 would be a rear/mid-engined 200 HP Homologation Special street version of the Group B Rally vehicle (which made some 350HP, and later even 500HP). The description of the video specifies that it's actually a Peugeot 205 GTI (front-engined, originally 104HP (1.6L) or 126 HP (1.9L)), that has had the original engine swapped out and replaced with the 2.0L 200HP engine from a Peugeot 405 T16, a sporty trim of a larger car model.
In short, the 205 in the video bears some similarity to, but is not a real 205 T16. It's just a regular front-engined model with a normal interior and an excellent engine swap that gives it raw power equivalent to the very rare homologation special vehicle, but otherwise lacks many of the real thing's sporty properties.
At least that's what my wikipedia-fu concluded.
On a sidenote: the T stands for Turbo. The 16 stands for 16 Valves. This was somewhat uncommon at the time, especially for a relatively small kind of vehicle such as this.
merci
Also somewhat uncommon for Peugeot which is more known for its Naturally aspirated engines, which you could argue for people not familiar with Peugeot, is somewhat comparable to Honda, seeing as Peugeots do good with naturally aspirated engines and commonly have pretty good transmissions... and when it comes for French cars theyre also somewhat reliable all things considered. I happen to own a fairly rare (from what i hear) 1997 Peugeot 605 2.0 Turbo, which to anyone not familiar with the brand, is Peugeots flagship sedan from 1989 to 2000.
Oh really? I thought the 16 was because of the 4X4 driveline
@@ManWithBeard1990 According to WIkipedia ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_205#205_Turbo_16_(T16) ): "The T was for Turbo, fuel fed by Bosch K-Jetronic fuel injection and a compression ratio of 6.5:1; the 16 stands for DOHC 16 valves."
Glad you clarified that mate, had it in my head that there was a 405 TI 16 model 👍🏻 but wasn’t sure lol
about the understeer of European hatchback - a 90s Clio I - I had learnt a valuable lesson about 2 month after i got my driving license.
When you take turn on a mountain road it make a great deal of a difference if you are driving alone or if you have 3 people in the backseat :-D
The stock 205 was a snappy car. You could ask a lot from it in a corner...but because of that, when the rear end decided to quit, it would spin hard!
it was my first car, and i could oversteer it on roundabouts, it was such a fun car to drive. Then I had a 206 gti, which I took the the ring, and that wasnt as docile, but you could still induce oversteer by just lifting off the gas mid corner. They dont make cars like that anymore.
I've owned 2x pug 205s in my life. The best one I had in 99-2000. It was engine swapped (mi16), with a turbo conversion, and lightened crank/flywheel. That thing really shifted! 0-60 under 6 second, and went off the clock. Sadly it dropped a big end on a hot day coming back from wild swimming. 😢 These cars were exceptionally light, with amazing balance and handling, however we're prone to lift-off oversteer, so it was best to keep the right foot planted! 😂 The slightly longer but technically similar 309 GTi was more stable.
I had a GTI too.
Not modified but still quick.
And yeah keep the right planted.
Had three Minis too, including a 69 Cooper.
Same again, plant the right.
Also owned a few Caterhams, don't plant the right ha ha.
I drove the same track in a Peugeot 205 1.1 with just 54 horsepower and still had fun. the road-going Peugeot 205s were 3-door, 5-door or convertible and had engines from 40 horsepower with 950 cc to 130 horsepower with 1900 cc but it was very easy to put larger engines such as the 2.0 16v turbo and some also put 2.1 turbodiesel engines. I'm in Italy and the national meeting here this year will be in Lovere in the province of Bergamo, on the shores of Lake Iseo next weekend, but in Europe every state has at least one club of enthusiasts of these light and fun cars ..
Most people severely underestimate the power to weight ratio. Those old hatches weigh only about 700kg, and have, say, 150hp.
A Terminator Cobra for example weighs roughly 1700kg, and produces 390hp. The old hot-hatch has only a little bit less power to weight than the SVT has. (0.21vs 0.23)
That way a silly little hot-hatch with a comparatively tiny (and NA!) four-banger has the same power to weight ratio as a supercharged V8 with tons of displacement.
Great point 🎉👍
That's one point.
On tracks like the Nürburgring lighter means being able to brake later and to go a lot faster through corners.
That's why even 911s and the likes have to fight on everything but the long straight against significantly less powerful cars.
Sabine Schmitz once raced a 911 vs. "the Ring Mini". She did win in the end (again - the long straight) - but that first gen Mini really put up a fight. He passed her in almost every corner - as he could brake waay later due to a lot less weight.
Only this is a 205T16 which weighed little over 900 kilos and had 350 horsepower. If it's an Evolution 2 it has 500 horsepower and is a little bit lighter than the 1st one.
so what you're saying is people can't do simple math ^^'
@@IWrocker But not true.... my 1st car was a 205 Rallye ( a special edition 205 to comemorate the Rally championship win of peugeot with the 205 T16 ), now that thing had NOTHING inside lol, no power steering, no central lock, no ABS, no Airbag, no power windows, the only luxury that car had was a shit kasset player lol and 2 front speakers, didnt even had seat belts on the back seats, it also had a small engine a twin double Webber carbureted1.3l putting out 110 BHP, but it weighed 850kg dry ( and it was the lighter 205 that Peugeot made ), no hatch would weigh 700kg, even the T16 ( rally version, with the composit material panels, light weight frame and completelly gutted ) would weigh close to 950 kg, of course it also had 500BHP which was nice lololol, giving it a power to weight ratio better than a Bugatti Veyron.
The Peugeot 205 T16 is the group B Peugeot if it’s actually the T16, it should be mid rear engine all-wheel-drive instead of the basic front wheel drive version
This is not T 16 Group B car look at the dash, but it can be homologated civil version
They probably meant they swapped the 405 turbo 16v into it.
@@MK-bv6wn They're 100 205 T16 homologated (civil version). It was mandatory to qualify a car for group B
@@MK-bv6wn what did you think I meant? I obviously did not say he’s in the race spec version/ one of the cars that actually competed in group B. Bro, said it was the T16 unless he made a mistake which it’s not my fault if he did then it’s clearly the one that Peugeot made/homologated for group B
@@MrChocobo12 200 is the minimum
Used to have '99 Peugeot 206 S16 99 kW/135 PS (GTI essentially) +900kg 220kph but it's a bicycle compared to 205 T16 - widened body, turbo,~800kg (Group B rally monster), those little cars are supercar slayers...price apx 100,000 euros. ;-)
The second 205 GTi is even better. Natural aspirated, makes a hell of rpm and he can max it out on that track a couple of times. That thing has so much punch, he could make the fifth gear longer for this track.
The driver is skilled as hell, he knows this track A LOT, you can clearly see that. Amazing clip!
When driving around the Nurburgring on open driving days you are meant to treat the racetrack as a two lane highway. If you are driving slowly you are supposed to stay on the right and if you are driving quickly and overtaking it should be on the left of the track and obviously caution should be taken at corners and hairpins. The motorbikes at the beginning of the lap should’ve moved aside to the right and let the faster vehicle go by rather keeping on the racing line and hindering faster moving cars lately they have got very strict about abiding by the rules
You are right, but I want to clarify a bit more:
You are not only meant to do it, you _must_ do it. Thats because during the "Tourist drive" hours, it is quite literally not classed as a track anymore, but a normal road, with road toll and no speed limit. As far as I know, exactly the same laws apply as would going on any other road in Germany.
Bikers often have no clue that we're driving behind them. Their mirrors are all fussy and the bikes are loud so they don't hear us either. It's often very sketchy to overtake them, I would prefer if they would have biker-only sessions and not mix them with the cars.
@@justincase9471 There are a lot of trackdays organized, including just bikes one.
But as I said, during Tourist drives its classed as a regular road, so anything thats highway legal is welcome.
Dont think there is anything to do about that if they want to keep regular road legal status, which is what enables people running their everyday car or RV or whatever without any special race licence, vehicle inspenction, or protective gear in the first place.
@@GoldenCroc Yes and no. On the GP Strecke we do have bike-only sessions during TF so it can be done under the same rules.
I drive TF quite a lot and I am always very weary when I have to overtake a biker. I safely assume that they have not seen me and I'll wait for them to move over. Unfortunately that sometimes takes a couple of kilometers to happen ... 🙄
@@justincase9471 Fair enough, I remember seeing, assuming you are correct which I am sure you are, what was probably a bike only session at the GP track, but at least back then there was no indication of it being so in official documentation or schedule. Perhaps thats changed these days.
I guess there might be some nuance and spectrum to what their operating licence allows.
Just curious, might I ask a bit about what vehicle you use and some quick summary about it?
If you watch ANYTHING at the Nurburgring it has to be the legendary RUF CTR Yellowbird… the original viral car video from the 1980s 😎 ruclips.net/video/3U26ddkVw2Q/видео.htmlsi=6LrWXXpCaou-UVmN
My weekend is set, 24h of the Nürburgring. Best race... in the world!
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C'mon guys, don't start with that taking over the world again nonsense.
We had enough trouble the last time.
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Visit Germany, go to the Nordschleife at Nürburgring and pay 30 Euros and you get to drive yourself a lap on this iconic course. Or book the RingTaxi, where you are the co-pilot of a racedriver in various race cars, for example in a Porsche 911 GT3 RS for 349 Euros. Heck you could even book the driver training, where in the same Porsche you are coached by a race driver and get to drive a lap yourself, for 939 Euros. And after a race day at the Nordschleife, go visit the Nürburg, the castle that gave the course its name!
All it needs, is you visiting Germany ;)
The older Peugeot were real legos. You could upgrade all the drivetrain (engine, gearbox ratios, brakes) by directly swaping parts from other bigger models.
A friend won a rally (in his class) with little upgrades: he swapped all the gears in the gearbox to fit perfectly the engine and the rally course, a 309 gti16 rear end, bigger front brakes.
All the 007 crap comes stock though.
ruclips.net/video/6fm567YGy5c/видео.html
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It's a group B rally car disguise as a road one..read the guys that are commenting..i had a Peugeot 205 gti 177 bhp..i sold it 20 years ago..what a fucking cretin i am!
I built a 205 gti 2ltr turbo as a track day car for the Knockhill track, it handles like a gocart, that T16 or Mi16 is a carburettor engine, with Yokohama semi slick tyres it counter steers itself, an amazing car to drive, the 2ltr conversion is the most popular, you take it from a Peugeot 405 👌
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u should watch cayman gt4 vs renault alpine ;)