No. This is just a trojan horse for American leftists. It's these people who are the real racists because their entire world view revolves around it. Have you read and heard what they think of black people? American lefists actually believe that black people cannot figure out for themselves how to get a voter's ID or how to use a computer. Why? Well, because according to American leftists white people are so absurdly powerful and just by white people existing black people are incapable of doing anything. And their solution to this "problem"? White people. Yes, black people cannot live a proper life because of white people and yet at the same time it is only white people who can save black people. When these people call others racist they are just projecting their own ideas unto others.
Yes. One of the characters literally has a Nigerian name, doesn't look Nigerian at all. They basically said "we're stuffing all the POC cultures here, without the umm... POC" xD
@@damianadivine4368 Your entire world view revolves around race and you call other people racist? What about canonically white characters being race swapped? Is that Ok to you?
No. Identity politics is a thing only in the West. Imagine if people in China asked American companies to make games based on their politics / ideologies 😅
The weirdest thing is how NPCs have varied skin colors, but the gacha characters barely... Just look at Lunja, it's not like Hoyoverse doesn't know how to put darkskin in the game, so why not on the pullable characters too?
No because if its just skin color its that simple, but we all know its not just that, DEI goal is litterally to include everyone, look at the sample of representation, does any of the liyue male characters look like Samo Hung? isnt funny that no one is fighiting for chinese people, if they wanted hoyo to correctly use RACIALLY CORRECT REPRESENTATION (I dont know how many times I am saying this, culture and race are different), then they should first push mihoyo to do that, because its their game, but we all know someone who looks like zhongli will sell more vs someone who looks like ken jeong, now were back to "wait but one is real person and one is fiction" see how that turns back around? now you might say, well we'll use animated black character, then look at barret of final fantasy, he is baddass, but do you think he'll fit in genshin? maybe, will he sell? yeah goodluck with that, do not forget cloud is the main character not barrett, so ok well use a different style, which one ? boondocks? why would hoyo risk doing that when a litteral example just happened called concord, I understand people want to feel included but why force a company that has no problem on their own part? remember us asians are all not light skinned, and we definitely do not look like zhongli. I wish bro.
It's not weird. It's classic East Asian classism. In countries like China darker skin tone is treated as an indicator of lower social and economic class. Chinese players don't want to play characters they consider country bumpkins.
@@fuzyfuzfuz2Native Australians are black/darkskinned (aboriginals); white Australians are just Europeans who immigrated, so either way they're still ignoring the people of the cultures they use for profit
Honestly it's not that hard to make a beautiful poc character design and taking the culture without also appreciating and respecting the people of said culture is def cultural appropriation
I don't usually care about character skin color but it seems odd that they copy the culture for South America and Africa but hen don't copy the skin colors is strange to say the least. Some people bring up the tan as dark skin but I think some people are confused by what is considered dark skin. It also can't really be said that it's a gacha so it doesn't have black characters because Nikke, girls frontline, FEH, Fate go, etc have dark skin characters. I'm not saying everyone from Natlan needs to be some like fate Nitocris complexation but when no one is it can feel off, and some people will take it as a racist thing. And as for people who say they don't care then what would be wrong with just making them black?
Its NOT BASED OFF SOUTH AMERICA!!! it's based off Australia! There are NO dudgeridoos in south america!!! It's an Australian instrument. You know, the land down under? You never heard of the "outback"? Mmk, do me a favor and rewatch the trailer for Natlan with Miss Kangaroo Girl and listen to the opening music. It's CLEARLY a didgeridoo. And then look at the most recent trailer. Is Miss Great White Shark Surfer Gal NOT standing in front of a building that oddly resembles the Sydney Opera House?! Now where in the world do we see LOTS of white surfers and sharks? Umm.... could it be... the great barrier reef? Hmm? Yes, there are some in Africa but it's NOT what Africa is known for. If hoyoverse was doing Africa, where's the savannahs? The safaris? Or south america, where's the Amazon rainforest? The Andes? The incan and Aztec temples like INDIANA JONES STYLE?! they WOULD HAVE advertised that. But they didn't. You know why? Because Natlan is from the land of the CROCODILE HUNTER!
@@fuzyfuzfuz2 it is partly based off Australia, not fully. if it was fully, then it would not make sense to have a character based on Olorun, a Yoruba god, and other similar South American and African based characters.
@@alduinworldeater9743 It's been done countless times in fiction, Natlan isn't real and they don't owe anything. If it's a black character in a setting not from their culture then suddenly it's fine, it's not a big deal. But when it's their turn they immediately don't hide their double standard and racist thought anymore
@@TALK-is1qd I'm assuming your talking about situations like with the little mermaid remake movie? But I don't like that either, let's say an new movie comes out with Norse gods and Thor is Mexican, you going to ask why right? I'd do the same thing, it wouldn't make any sense. And besides by the logic of it not being real so it wouldn't matter if they released Snezhnaya and everyone there was just black. No explanation they just were, it would be weird right?
@@alduinworldeater9743 No, i'm talking about...in general, i will give you a random one. Luffy is taking inspiration from Hanuman, an Indian Hindu god and Sun Wukong, a Chinese god, but Luffy's race or nationality is Brazilian, this is from Oda interview, so Luffy isn't Indian or Chinese. But the One piece world is high fantasy, if it's low fantasy (urban fantasy) or having the real Earth then it's better to be truthful. Natlan is fictional, imagine someone makes Killer Bee more asian just because the Naruto world takes full inspiration from Sino culture from architect to religion to deity to chakras,... then i would still feel weird
i hate to say it but until the Chinese community for Genshin doesn't Make up over 50% of the Games Revenue, they will not make any kind of significant effort to make "Accurate" Character Ethnicity. The end goal is to make money, and they are making money, LOTS of money.
This would be true if they hadn't started the silent treatment with Genshin Impact for 5 hours, literally the longest silence, no content being produced about the game
Anyone saying "oh its just a work of fiction they don't have to base it on reality" really need to evaluate the content in the game thus far and realise that adding people of colour into a fictional reality isn't that big of an ask. It's not woke. It's not political. It's strange to adamantly avoid creating characters of colour, it's very telling. In a world where a man can be born with blue hair and purple eyes, I don't think darker skin is that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
They might as well say "Anime is supposed to be a perfect world to escape to, adding black people to that world kind of defeats the point.", that's what they insinuate.
People always excusing that its a game or fiction forget that they literally had Yunjin, a bibically ACCURATE representation and depiction of Chinese Opera and Culture. And you dare to say the game does not have relations to real world inspiration? Hypocrites and racists.
It is obvious that they are going to want to show a character that represents a part of their culture, the same thing Americans do in Hollywood movies, I don't see the problem
Ok and? It was never directly stated yunjin is “chinese opera” as it is “liyue opera.” Game devs can reference as much or as little real world things in their fictional world. Cry about it.
@crashphoenix6362 i mean, it is Chinese opera and meant to be this. They kept the Chinese song for every dub and i do think they already have talk about yunjin as an homage of Chinese opera (it was maybe in a live?? Like they explained what it is idk). Heck, its not for nothing that yunjin make it to the Chinese news and got praise for a good representation in a video game!
@@El_Amor_De_Tu_Vida. the problem is theyre using other people's culitures without being proper Abt it. If its not theirs and if theyre not gonna commit to it THEN DONT FUCKING USE IT. youre gonna butcher it. Absolutely dumb
@@lunalajoie3073 ok so what if the chinese song is used. Isn’t it obvious that the chinese company would want to reference a part of their culture that they like, especially since no company is gonna want to spend money on 4 separate full songs for each dub. Hoyoverse never directly advertises their regions as faithful representation of real world cultures as it is all fiction, so I don’t see the problem.
Like nobody complain about raiden shogun? bro literrary is a waifu and there was never a shogun with that type of cloths. I LOVE AS A LATINO MAVIIKA, AND WITH THE MOTO 100% REPRESENTATION
Genshin is 'inspired' by real names, places and/or cultures. As far as i know, there is no Nation called Natlan on the Teyvat continent, if there is, please point it on the google maps. People need to STOP and differentiate between real life and games.
@@Kazzxqers I didnt know countries are specific to one color, I guess the racist part of USA is right to be racist by that logic? cause by your logic, doesnt matter if there are light skin south american, if they represent south american it should be the darkskin ones? see how racist that is?
I'm Mexican and I'm just use to it at this point. I don't care it's just a game😅, if every day media gets away with always using the lighter skinned Latino in everything then I'm not expecting much from a Chinese game when we ourselves (latino media) do the same thing
I’m south Asian, I didn’t like what they did with Sumeru honestly. I didn’t care much either, but it really hurts now that I think about it. That my skin colour is something to be hidden. The worst part is they made the enemy NPCs coloured but not the characters. This has happened so much before, but I guess it’s just an opinion.
@@snowecaddel9454 because it doesnt matter, its a video game, its a fantasy not a reality. Because if you are gonna push reality into this, then you will have to agree with the DEI's agenda, what are their agenda is you might ask? well "we want diversity and inclusivity" what that means is that you have to include everybody, so lets say hoyo adds darkskin characters, which one? Who do you think will sell more if they base the face model on reality, PRYANKA or ZENDAYA?
As a follow black person it’s kind of a big deal like I know they make darker skin characters, but they’re still pretty pale. The one thing the people need to understand is are if you’re are trying to represent a culture or country you need to respect it and yes, I guess you can say dear respecting it, but they’re not really adding that much dark skin into the game. I know this just pixels but it’s a big of a deal, I don’t think that is racist because I’m pretty is not if the were I’m pretty sure they would do way worse things but in my opinion, they’re kinda acting lazy in the skin color apartment. (sorry if you see spelling mistakes)
Create your own game then with the assistance of sweet baby inc. Then based it own African mythology and see if it succeeds. Oh wait, ZAU flooped because no one cared.
@@UltimateGenosyko Huh how did you know? Is it being called a racist for a decade because I don't like forced diversity even though I'm technically a POC as well? Oh wait I'm Asian, which according to wokes is now white adjacent.
@@_dawn9764 They are putting resources into these characters. They want there return on investment so making Characters they know wont sell is bad business.
Well... they covered Black Panther's face on the Chinese posters even removing some due to skin color, I don't think they'll make changes because mihoyo aren't here to please the players, they have to keep the social credit high you know. Edit: Not mihoyo that covered the poster.
@@BloodEdgeExtreme2000 exactly so it's not just mihoyo, and we may not expect them to do changes for the most well known piece of entertainment they have.
It has nothing to do with social credit, stop coping, let's be real. Mhy don't give a fuck about us because we only made up 10% of their revenue, and China made 50%, Japan made up 30%, and these people don't give a fuck about black people, rather they will be mad if 8 of 10 of their new update characters be black
I'm not really bothered that much by the cast, would I prefer it if Xilonen was darker skin? absolutely, however, if you want to name a character after an African supreme deity then you better make it right, so out of the entire cast, Ororon is the worst in terms of representation.
I really wanted Mavuika to be a brown woman. But also she just looks like a nascar driver. Hyv really gave us the NASCAR archon. She’s incredibly hot and all but at the same time wth lol
I expected the pyro archon to be a dark skinned fiery woman because Natlan is a nation of war. I don't get her design at all. Like she isn't that bad but she just doesn't fit her own nation
I'm fine With her because she's an Himeko expy but brown skin would have been a pleasant surprise , or at least not give her the name of a Maori goddess lol .
@@Jackson-ub1uv Himeko could have been brown in Genshin, especially since Hyv placed her in the nation that *they* based off of irl parts of Africa/precolonial Americas/and apparently parts of Polynesia. Lol. If it's all just fiction, why couldn't she be brown?
Funny thing about Oloron , at least if you look on wikipedia , Oloron is shapeless , genderless and in spirit form . The photo we see is just one depiction of him from an artist , while in actuality Oloron doesn't look like anything . This is one of the passage from wikipedia "Olorun has no gender in the Ifá Literary Corpus, and is always referred to as an entity who exists in spiritual form only. Historically, the Yoruba worship Olorun through the agency of the orisa; thus there is no image, shrine or sacrifice made directly towards Olorun, since Olorum is known to BE everything, and everywhere." So yes, in a sense, Oloron can be white sasuke batman Anime ikemen .
Tbh I have seen many people argue about the skin colour of the new region characters and I personally don't think skin tone colour would count as representing ones culture. (Like search it up many online result would tell you that skin tone is NOT apart of ones culture) Now one can argue well why don't skin tone count as apart of the culture? Well the main reason it won't count would be,because in some culture people would have like the same skin tone,but their culture would have literally NOTHING in common😅 Then what is the meaning of Culture? Well it means -the tradition -the design of their traditional clothings -the building in that the culture own So I don't see why the whole community is arguing about something that everyone should know before they start or at least should have done some research about it? (Plus Idk but I feel like some people don't even play genshin here they just wanted to join a argumentor something?) But in all fairness it's only my opinion😅
In my humble opinion as a POC, it really doesn't matter. Genshin's world isn't realistic, and it probably never will be. It's an rpg open world fantasy game with its own rules and laws that we don't get a say in. Games like Overwatch are based on OUR world in the future, so inclusiveness is integral to make the game feel like it's realistic and really our planet 30 or whatever years into the future. I'm really sorry about the lack of black people in a Chinese game but if it bothers you that much, you're better off finding another game to play because this isn't the one for you and it probably never will be. Also, side note: A lot of the "POC defenders/advocates" are honestly not helpful at all, and honestly, just come off as weirdly racist like when they edit a character's skin-tone to be black and claim they look "better" or "should look like that". I'm sorry, but you won't fix racism by being racist/colourist
I just gonna be real, the consensus of majority of players are not aligned with the consensus with Twitter. Since the RUclips Natlan trailer never got the same treatment how everyone treating Assassins Creed Shadows. It is basically Sumeru all over again. Most players don't really care much thing like this in a pure fantasy game. So I kind of felt social media are mad over nothing. lol
You can break it down mathematically. Take the largest amount of likes you see that are unlikely to be botted, subtract a bit because tons of these people admit they have multiple accounts to fluff numbers, subtract more from those who only like things because someone they follow posted (if you want, I didn't when I did percentages), and then divide it by the monthly players of 65 million. You get like 0.06% And that number is likely lower as plenty of these people don't form opinions themselves and just parrot stuff until they see the next "issue."
So funny how so many people think they fighting racism but they are showing THEY are the racist ones, implying that all mexicans have dark skins, lmao. This game is taking inspiration of PLACES, not PEOPLE, many games do this, ff14 for example. This is also a game of FICTION, not REAL LIFE or Representation. Not defending hoyo, i actually quit the game like 4 months ago, the game is pretty terrible for my taste, it's just so funny how people are projecting their racism, lol. Game with outdated stamina system, terrible endgames, slow pace fights, too vertical exploration, too many recycled events, so many stolen ideas from other games, even catchphrases from anime, but no, lets fight so we can have darker characters, lmao.
Why the fk are people asking a CN creator to create none-CN art style characters? They portrayed their understanding of the western/African culture and thats it. Didn’t western media always make wrong portray about CN culture? Where are these cry babies then?
They aren't asking to CREATE the characters, they're asking to FIX them. You can't steal inspiration from a culture and basically say "hey yeah love your culture but not you"
@@zephyrim Who gives a damn, if they want it, then go create it themselves. Hoyo want to promote Chinese culture so they made Genshin, these cry babies should do the same.
Genshin is *Anime* style game as Mihoyo said themselves. However, Black & Brown skinned are absolutely doable in any anime style, look at Nessa, Iris, or any black or brown adjacent character from pokemon.
If you want accurate region characters then let’s do this… Ayato, Ayaka and Kokomi need to have black hair… when have you seen naturally light blue/ white young haired characters native to Japan? This also applies to Kazuha and Ningguang (yeah I know she is from Liyue) … unless they are albino this should not exist in that region. Yoimiya should not be native to Inazuma… she is blond, which means that all of her family should mostly have black hair if they are native to Inazuma. Xinyan and Kaeya need to be white skin since one is from a Chinese region and the other one is from a region that has no sunlight. Eula cannot have blue hair.. she needs to have blond or brown hair. Chongyun has to have black hair unless they have explained that his hair turned white due to his abilities (haven’t done his companion quest) Cyno cannot have white hair… it has to be black hair…. Unless he has early gray hair or like Chongyun changed color due to his abilities. You see my point… it’s a game it’s not going to be completely accurate to the region… Would I love more people with color skin, yes… but again it’s being blown out Of proportion… Edit: let’s also add to the fact that most of the characters have perfect bodies with no excess of fat in them… yeah these characters are fictional it’s not going to be accurate most of the time…
Genshin is a fantasy open world game so obviously it’s gonna have some fantasy elements in there like multi colored hair, characters in the game can control the elements/ have magical abilities, etc. The problem is that this game takes some inspiration from real world places and cultures shown by various locations, names and items used in the game and so far has been incorporated well into the game but Natlan out of all the regions have to be the most inaccurate and its offending a lot of people who’s culture is supposed to be represented in this new region especially when the other regions have been done so well. So Hoyoverse couldn’t just make the characters a bit more accurate to the real world since the game is heavily inspired by it.
You do realize blasians exist? Plus, no one is talking about hair color. No one would care if they added a dark skinned character with multi color hair.
Also due to cultural and the 72 demons belong to Solomon nahida, tsrista, murata. And shogun should be male due to there archon names technically ei can't be female as there was no female shogun.
@@mako_234 not for me tho, i only upset about drop artifact worst. Nothing change, so better swallow it if want to continue rather than yapping with nothing in return.
@@mako_234 and still can count in asia. Majority doesn't care much about skin, they complaint about reward and gameplay character. They only listen to majority, because there their money income.
So you consider video games an inferior medium compared to other forms of art and entertainment and that, despite having much more scope than these, they lack their influence on the perception of societies?
@@AngryLad_80 good for you, fortunately society does not revolve around your complacency, not too many rights would have been won in these millennia of fight. They should not have chosen these cultures as inspiration if they were going to ignore, denigrate (dehya and candance exist) and replace their people, that's all, your discomfort is not relevant and neither mine btw
@@AngryLad_80 As long as you don't defend the evil company, I will be perfectly calm, and seeing that thinking is something too tiring for you, I will also dont give more arguments as to why Hoyo (and China Btw) have a serious problem both with their beauty standards and with their opinion on the humans with melanin.
Here's the response from the company to a perpetually offended person: "Dear Traveler, Thank you for your feedback. Please be kindly reminded that Genshin Impact is a work of fiction and is not related to actual people, events, groups, or organizations. We do really hope for your understanding. Kind regards, Gesnhin Impact CS Team"
Based developers for being able to separate fiction and reality. "These characters are not you, and will never be you, nor will they ever be your family, or even mere strangers to you, because they don't exist."
Ok I need to talk about this and it a one that a bit annoying to me, so when Genshin Impact make a bunch of white characters they all hate their guts for it but when Honkai star rail has literally nothing but white characters they don’t care like am I the only one seeing this? Because to me this is so stupid it honestly makes me feel annoyed. I’m not trying to be rude and I’m not trying to come across as racist but that the end of the day it just a game and they will get over it over time until the next area.
Genshins map design is very clearly based off of real life places. Monstadt - Germany and central europe Inazuma - Japan etc And nobody complained about race there because its just another gacha anime game under a chinese company. But when you have middle east and african inspirations then obviously you need to change it up Hsr doesnt need to because it doesnt really reflect real world countries. The only locations are a space station, a generic snow place and whatever tf you want to call penacony
Just to clarify if a game does not have areas that are specifically based on places where black and brown people exist then it’s not that no one cares it’s a little thing called ✨race consistency✨. If there was a region based on an Asian or European culture and they made a majority of the cast clearly dark skinned this is just as offensive as taking a culture with majority people as dark skin and limiting the skin color to say the loli characters or just purposely making them weaker than the much more “superior” light skin characters
@@ffxfgxsfxxxg2419 I guess that make sense but still come on not 1? Say what you will about Genshin impact but at least they try to make black characters unlike Honkai is, it doesn’t matter about planet and stuff because they been thought 4 worlds that have not a single black character is a bit ridiculous
As much as I want more chocolate/darker babes in genshin. I doubt mihoyo is gonna do something about it, unless data shows that it's gonna make money (if chinese playerbase wants it). But with the cn players are starting to notice, it's a bit more likely now Remember, vote with your money. Don't like it/want it to change? Dont support it. But genshintwt will bitch and whine but still support the things they disagree with. Love your vids btw
The issue with darker skinned characters like Xinyan, Candace, Sethos, Dehya and Cyno is that none of them are good meta-wise. Dehya’s kit in particular made me wonder if Hoyo intentionally sabotaged her. Had she gotten a decent kit, she would’ve brought a lot of money.
People literally voted for their money with Dehya even though she was literally the weakest character in Genshin and look where that got us today majority white cast and mostly loli dark skin cast
@@saeranchoi3343 I pulled for dehya. Yeah, she was done dirty man I thought about it too. If they did make the skin darker in natlan. It might be a monkey paw situation. Dark skin sure, but dogshit kit
@@ffxfgxsfxxxg2419 wish they buffed dehya. They definitely did her dirty. Sadly her banner did not do well (cuz her kit sucks ass) But still. By voting with money, i also meant not supporting them with their bs.
@@saeranchoi3343they’re still useable though. Dehya and Xinyan are pretty bad, but with enough investment they can work. Sethos and Cyno are both great for dendro reaction teams, as an electro on field applier/driver, Kaeya is a great support for freeze and melt. Candace (at C6 albeit) is actually pretty good with Arle, and as a general hydro slot. Everyone in Genshin, with enough investment, is good. A character can be good, without being meta defining.
I don’t really care about character skin colors in video games, it’s more about what’s in their hearts and their overall personalities. Skin shouldn’t matter. I feel that’s not fair to get mad at Hoyoverse for this simply because of that. It’s their game and I don’t hear this being yelled about for Star Rail IR the newly released ZZZ. Does that make Ben Biggerman the “black guy”? He’s a big bear. Everyone looks back at Sumeru fondly because of the story and landscapes in the jungle and desert.
You can't claim that your game has true diversity by stealing REAL culture without implementing the respective skin tones of said cultures. Not seeing the problem is either ignorance or racism. How would you feel if Genshin Impact added your family to the game, with all of the 'lore' your family has, but they completely colorwash your family, and mock them into petite anime girls?
Dude u are dilusional if u really think that is something that only happen with mihoyo games like any gacha game barely add dark skin characters or even AAA games dont do that, why simple they dont sell well is just that is not racism u have to remember this is CN game that main market is CN and they like White skin Anyway there are many ways to represent a nation not only the skin color like the músic, architecture, inviroment, tradition, etc, that is what mihoyo focus and their are doing great and in the trailer character u can see it for example Chasca a character that i want why because they use a Salvadorian legend to make that character and as a Salvadorian I like it
I think whatever you want to do wont affect hoyo's decision by now. Their character design is already finalized. I am not an art expert, but simply changing their skin tone to like Iansan is just horrible decision if they do it. Their color wont match with their outfit. Well I'd like to see how far this drama goes. How will those drama farming CCs will react etc
Genshin is the biggest game there is rn and one of the most influential. If they can make Yun Jin be the love letter to Chinese opera, the can give the same respect to Sumeru and Natlan. We know it's just a game, but when that games business model is influencing other games/fans to follow its steps its starting to hurt people irl. Especially big genshin fans who are starting to hurl insults towards poc. Calling us dramatic when we see our culture being disrespected. It's a slap to the face especially when it's been more than 3yrs
As an POC, Genshin has no responsibilities for how its own fanbase acts on the internet. That responsibility is on you and everyone's that acts immature about this. Second, I don’t want you talking for me when I am not bother by any of the character designs. This is an 100% fictional world that is not based on real life whatsoever. They do take inspiration from other culture yes, but they do not need to represent that culture's "skintones" 100% when they don’t have to. Its not important for the game nor is it important for majority of the people playing this game. Please realize that this stuff does not matter to alot of people, included the chinese players who the actual main audiences.
Let me play devil's advocate. If they did dark skin characters, some people would still call Hoyo racist. And if Hoyo hires Chinese voice actors to play these dark skin characters. Some people would scream "black face".
you all would lose your mind when you found out that if you search Nero Claudius an Anime girl pops out, just because they based something on another thing, it doesn't mean it's suddenly the end-all be-all representation of what it is, i hate to defend Hoyo, but they are not obligated to make a "representation" as you all like to call it 1:1 to stuff they base on, if you want that, go watch a documentary take it from fgo, a game based from various myths and cultures but they still let the artist do their thing in designing the characters because, i know this is a foreign concept, they are FICTIONAL. i as Indonesian would have never known historical or mythological figures like Bradamante, one of Charlamagne's Paladins, the Trung sisters from the Vietnamese military leaders, or even the joke about Queen medb's death was due to cheese rolling on top of her of course they have a different design in-game than they do in source material, what do i do about it? go and look up the damn thing, differentiate between them, realize they're just fiction
It's wild how developers have to remind players that genshin is fictional and none of the characters are real people. Mind virus is spreading like a wildfire on X.
They should probably not base their characters on real deities dark skin tones and make them tan Like these natlan characters are just tan I don't think it matters if they go for world designs and architecture but actual things from culture is strange Aside from that nobody seems to complain that the regions don't have differences with how characters or Npcs speak there's barely a difference they don't have accents
I have Mexican blood but have very light skin. I hope people remember that there are light skin Hispanics and Africans too. I feel like those people are just forgotten, so that's kinda a problem, so that kind of makes problems in both parties: Genshin not making enough darker skin playable characters. And fans forgetting that some of the people they are talking about have lighter skin too while being upset and talking about it on Twitter (or X) and IG, etc. And I know this because I have seen so many comments of the people talking about Natlan suggesting that these people (Hispanics and Africans) don't have light skin. Edit: Forgot to say that this isn't me defending the devs. I'm annoyed, too. I'm just pointing out problems of both sides of this. There's a lot of people that put people in bubbles and have a set appearance for them (most of the time, it's that everyone in a certain race would look the same, this skin color, that hair color or style etc.) and to these people if you don't look like their ideal appearance for a race, you aren't that race. That's not only disrespectful but flat-out racist. This is one thing a light skin nonwhite Hispanic or African might think when people say things like "they are whitewashed," or "why are they white?" Or "at least he/she isn't white," but to others, it might be hurtful, and they might think that something is wrong with them because they have lighter skin.
Its been almost 5 years, they only have 5 "dark skinned" character and they barely even cover the normal shade of tan. Are we really wanting just ONE dark skin character every 365 days?
Lighter skin individuals of Mesoamerica, subsaharan Africa are nowhere as pale skinned as european or east asian phenotype. A lot of people non pale white look deep beige. But it doesn't have to be 'pick one over the other' just because certain portion is in fact paler than rest of population.
As someone who’s born in South America which I’m half white & Latino, I accept the designs a few countries here has people who have white skin colour even though they’re Spanish. Plus I think the meaning of racism of how I see it, is hatred towards your own species in the animal kingdom which is human it’s not about skin colour at all.
That is the correct response. The developers can make their game and design their characters as they see fit. It's their game. Their creative vision. If people don't like it they can just play another game, or make their own game. No one is stopping anyone from making their own game.
@@HackerCow-wac8 I stopped playing Genshin as well. I just don't like it when people try to force their idea of how things should be unto others. I have my criticism of Genshin (mostly revolving around gameplay and QoL) but I fully acknowledge the developer's right to pursue their own creative vision regardless of wat I and anyone else thinks of it.
@@maymeoo21 Ever heard of the game Manor Lords? It's in early access on Steam right now and in the past 5 years it was being developed by just one Polish guy. Only very recently, due to his game selling well on Steam, he gained some funds to rent space for a game studio and hire some people.
There are NO didgeridoos in South America!!! It's a northern Australian instrument!!!! Go rewatch the first Natlan trailer with Miss Kangaroo girl. You can HEAR the didgeridoo in the beginning. Which is a "land down under" "G'day mate!" Kinda vibe. Mmmk? Also! Miss Great white shark surfer gal in the most RECENT trailer is standing in front a building that looks an awful LOT like the Sydney Opera house. You know Australia has a history of wars too in the real world? And wasn't there a Also, Google, "Emu war Australia," for me. You won't be disappointed I promise.
Yes, there are distinctly aboriginal elements at play in Natlan. But two of the characters are named after African gods, at least two are named after Mayan/Mexica deities, at least one is named after a Native American Spirit, and the Archon is named after a Māori goddess. Also we got battle music with Yoruba singing and tango/carinosa influences so saying they aren’t present is blindingly false. They are pulling from Africa and the ENTIRE Ring of Fire and while the lack of discussion surrounding Australia’s distinct influences is warranted to point out, it is not the sole influence being extracted to build Natlan.
Well I think the reason is the mihoyo isChinese company and in china the beauty standards are white so for better sales they need to make em white.and genshin is an anime game and they make same tanned characters but if they make characters like very black then they wouldn't look good.but therye trying
Bruh who cares. It is a fictional game and fictional characters. Game devs don’t have the obligation to make what they reference 100% accurate. It is a work of fiction and if that angers you, you need to go outside and touch some grass or something.
Why is "it's fiction" an argument here? I don't understand. Is fiction just for light people? Why is having darker skin in a world where blue hair and purple eyes exist so outlandish?
@@IamEL1979 because most people who argue that genshin needs more “representation” don’t know the difference between real life and fiction. They argue that natlan is suppose to be an accurate representation of africa or latin america yet not once did hoyoverse ever advertise their game as accurate to any real world nation. It’s fiction, that is what they said.
@@IamEL1979 lemme do you one more, why does hoyoverse need to cater to you, when they made it dead clear it is completely fiction and not suppose to be and accurate representative of any real world cultures/nation and it is their work, not yours. They don’t care about DEI, cry about it. Another thing, why is this movement even important. Sumeru’s drama is forgotten and dead as soon as sumeru dropped, and nothing was lost or gained from the movement failing, so why exactly is it important to complain about the skin color of literal pixels on a screen. You want to fight actual racism, maybe go tackle something in reality first.
@@crashphoenix6362 Why is it such a big deal to make a character any colour but pale? What exactly makes that seem outlandish to you. Also, they profit from us. If they want to continue doing so, they should at least take our criticisms seriously. That doesn't mean do it, they won't. But at least try to see why people are upset. Also, "accurate representative of any real-world cultures/nation" people of colour exist everywhere. These characters are based on the real world because they are human. They have shown people of colour exist in the world, that is an aspect of their fictional world that has been established. So yes, the "it's just fictional" is a bullshit excuse. Fiction is reflective of its creators, and people don't like what the creators are looking like right now.
Don't any of ya'll find it fucked up about how they use culture and make money off of it but don't proceed to put the people in it? Even without the whole race thing, from a design standpoint, it looks off with them having pale skin, and you can tell they're supposed to have darker skin :/ But, it doesn't matter as long as they make money, and ya'll have fun. You guys don't care if it affects real people and their very real lives :/
Nope because it isn’t supposed to be a simulation it’s inspiration, Natlan is fictional and skin color isn’t culture. Only racists obsess about skin color.
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The people complaining about Genshin whitewashing their characters are also the ones praising Assassins Creed Shadows for finding the only black man in Japanese (made up) history and deciding to base a game around him.
In my honest opinion, no, I don’t think it’s racist. Let me explain. Natlan is a fantasy nation, and only takes inspiration from Central and South America. It’s not a 1 to 1. In this aspect, Hoyo can do as they please. Natlan isn’t real. The characters aren’t real. Hoyo can do as they please in this regard. And if people don’t like it, there are two options. One, stop playing Genshin. Two, make your own game with your own characters. And even if people do speak up about it, Hoyo won’t change a thing. People have been complaining about quality of life and rewards, and Hoyo still hasn’t changed a damn thing from day 1. And anything they did change was lack luster at best. If Hoyo does change things, that’s fine. But I doubt anything will happen.
Yeah but the thing is they wanna go all out with their Chinese Characters and Japanese characters but wanna give low effort to sumeru and Nathan chars. Ofc people coming from that culture are gonna be offended due to how they were represented in game.
@@2k3dWdym low effort to Sumeru and Natlan characters? Low effort how?? From what I’ve heard, Nilou and Dori’s outfits are accurate to their inspiration, namely Persian and Turkish outfits I think. Making a character Al-Haitham, who is scholarly, is a neat nod to Ibn Al Haitham. Knowing those sorts of things would take research, not really low effort. Lots of Sumeru characters are also well written and well developed, like Faruzan, Cyno, Nahida, etc. Sumeru as a region has the most amount of world quests and the ones with the best stories and best npcs. And how are Natlan characters low effort? We’ve only gotten one teaser trailer, so don’t jump to such quick conclusions. And why would Hoyo, if they are a biased Chinese company, favours the Japanese region when China and Japan have historic tension, and current political tension. If anything, they’d want to represent Japan in a negative light, if they had this pro-CCP, pro-China narrative.
@stormer2349 I meant skin color buddy. A lot of people thought there should've been more darker characters. I agree. And they represented Japan and China really well but in Natlan, we got a boy who looks like a tetris block. Wtf lol
My big thing is that people forget about how good hoyo does with the cultural aspects of the nations like the music, dances, regions. Ya sure they could of made most characters darker but it’s a video game other aspects of the culture will be fantastic. Skin color is only a small part of a culture to me. 😊
@@Dojafish but why do we have to seperate the world by peoples color of skin. All people are and should be people the only thing that differs between us is the cultures we live in. Ik it's my opinion but I just really don't get why we have to seperate or judge people or designs by their color of skin. That should have no affect. The only character I think should HAVE TO BE dark is Ororon since he is actually BASED on a Real diety who is dark. I could see a judgment for Murata since she is the god of NATLAN.
@@gardevoirmaster5743 then why exclude people and only allow white ones be in the game? Why take away the people who made these cultures away? Do you realize how racist it is?
Honestly, it’s just so startling when they base a character (Mavuika) off of a Maori diety (I could be wrong on the reference being a diety, as I am Aussie and know pretty little about Kiwi culture) but then made them pale af and didn’t even try to give them Maori tattoos or anything else exceedingly linked to it. I understand Australia and New Zealand’s history with… well, everything… “blac” is a term among Aboriginal people for a reason, so I wouldn’t mind her being lightskinned or tanned but white, however I do have a problem with her being as pale as the sun-dried orange a plant pot I made for my mother is Also didgeridoos are an Australian instrument, specifically Aboriginal. They aren’t from anywhere else. Didgeridoos are also a male-only instrument (I won’t go into the reasoning as my understanding of Aboriginal culture is looser than most, though it’s still better than *some*) and there are also instruments that women mainly use (idk if they are regulated to women-only, however). Anyway, I find it upsetting that, outside of Australian’s without big platforms, nobody is talking about the Australian and New Zealand influences that are pulled from Aboriginal and Maori culture (and especially the ways they mishandled it like with Mavuika)
It doesn’t matter and it should not matter period. If a characters going to represent the background of what the region is supposed to be and it look like the characters they shown are representing the region as a whole . This crap of oh these characters are not representative the core of there nation because there white not dark skin? It the world of anime.
Well, to be honest, I wouldn’t pull for the characters if they are black But if they are doing a dark skin or black inspired region then they should make them black .
Question is can you outspend the whales in China and Asia? If you and your friends can at least do a dent to it, then they might listen to your whining. But if not, nothing will change.
"Taking culture" - no culture was taken honey. Teyvat is a product of inspiration. Are we gate keeping culture now? - culture which is meant to be shared and form a cohessive society and be a melting pot of cultures. "... and names from POC" - I am literally named after a Greek deity yet not a single drop of blood from a white person is running through my veins
If you want to make us care about white washing start caring about black washing, which is infinitely wider issue in the west now. Stop the hate on whites and asians if you want us to care about you and your worries. Love has to be two sided.
Hoyoverse literally put the name of an orisha on a white character (orishas are black gods from some African-based religions). Don't you think that's disrespectful?
Maybe they should add a coloured character with a good kid, meanwhile updating other coloured character's kits. Other than that, this shouldn't be made a political issue, its just absurd and cringe. Its barely a game.
Tbh if they did do changes to the skin colour I would’ve hope they could put a little tan on them just like xilonen But I’m not sure if they are gonna do that cuz they already have a full trailer so the chances could be pretty low 😢
Fiction is one of the best means of establishing and perpetuating biases and prejudices, which cause discrimination, it is also a perfect way to rewrite history in favor of the government in power.
Unfortunately there is still major racism in their culture, but we are slowly pushing them to become better. Though it'll take time to change a whole culture
I personally don't don't care about the skin tone of a characters. As long as their culture is being shown and represented properly. That's good enough for me. Also this is a fictional game in a fictional setting inspired by real culture, so of course it's not gonna be a 100% accurate to the inspiration. And as long as the characters are hot. I'll roll. Also Culture isn't always the skin colour of the people. It's the music, the traditions, the clothes, the sports.
Well, little mermaid's Ariel was already an established character long ago before her character got race-swapped. If anything, it is a lazy lousy disney move as they could've just made another disney princess of color but it takes creativity (which Disney no longer possesses) to make one. Upcoming genshin characters have just been created carrying their own brand new set of aesthetics and were not a race-swap of an existing character.
@@どーくん-j2zNo, even worse. The Little Mermaid is based on a Danish fairytale, so they are literally changing the skincolor of an existing character that is from a movie that itself is based on a fairytale (I don't think it's a 1-1, but definitely moreso based on than inspired, especially since the name is the same). For Genshin, they are new characters who are simply named AFTER certain characters, but people get mad because they don't look like whoever they were named after... But the thing is, there are TONS of popular real life names that are named after characters from religions, mythologies, etc... But I don't see people complaining about those, however the MOMENT it's in a fictinal setting, then characters suddenly need to be accurate to whoever they're named after. It'd be one thing if they actually were said characters, but they aren't... They're merely named after them. Although, this is all just my opinion. Anyone is obviously free to disagree (I just ask that anyone who does disagree, at least tries to stay respectful and civil. I wish I didn't have to add this part, but the internet is... the internet)
Hoyo doesn't care much about skin, they more care about money. But i not surprise if western player yapping too much. Hoyo own by china they more care about beautiful character base their own money will get. You now marketing is really harsh.
@@lowkeychains money spoke louder than words. if majority really piss off, their stop support the game and GI revenue will dropped, hard. we'll see soon enough.
How is it DEI if the issue here is non-existent culture being disrespected ? Just another buzzword that lost its meaning , the anti-sjw crowd is just as braindead in 2024 .
@@lowkeychainsLook at the reveal trailer and see the like to dislike ratio. Overwgelming majority does not care. Twitter just makes everything way bigger than it is.
Everyone can cry as much as they want but Hoyo wont care, anything that doesn't involve them losing money is simply not a concern for them. If people really want to have their opinions heard they've gotta hit where it hurts, boycott Genshin and stop spending on the game, let CN carry the revenue load. But we all know that ain't happening lmao. Everyone would be like raging right now but would spend and pull anyways when the Natlan characters come out. Stupid is a non-curable disease in gacha gaming 🤣
Exactly they keep getting away with this type of stuff cause they’re making bank from it and people are treating them as if they’re not a billion dollar company. At least do something about it if you’re gonna complain
I'm not against those representations. But I hope they understand that these are works of fiction, they don't need to be entirely accurate. . . . People these day always focus on characters' skin color more than personality and background . .
Then i suppose you would be ok if every Mondstat or liyue characters were of a Darker skin tone . I know for a fact that Chinese players wouldn't be , so why act like this defense is good ? Valid yes ? But in practicality, Chinese fanbase would never be ok with this and they'd be right .
There is little cultural German display in Mondstadt besides some names and a vague representation of German clothing. I see no offended German, if any, they are happy that there is SOMETHING of theirs in the game. I see no Polish angry that they are not represented, of Czech or Romanian, all those EU countries. Point being, you DONT need to be included just because. It's their artistic choice and you are free to leave if you dislike it. I find it both funny and appaling
Don't be racist guys they have black people in there to if you REALLY play the game. And also it china game y'all should know what they been cooking there 😂😂😂😂
Thank you for speaking up. I really hope other cc talk about this issue on RUclips because majority of the RUclips genshin community is ignorant about this topic.
@@HolyMcow why take inspiration in cultures and races you don’t respect? You folks were up in arms about Ac Shadows being “appropriation and misrepresenting Japanese culture” now you’re being told they should do this for other cultures you’re trying to justify appropriation. Absolutely pathetic.
The thing is, Mihoyo is losing trust. Starting with issues within game mechanics and quality-of-life changes that were desperately wanted by players for years and only provided this year after (alleged) competition. They were asked over and over again to improve their game, but they either didn't or applied criticism to Honkai instead. And again, it seemed to take ANOTHER GAME (honestly, much better mechanics, gacha system, and quality of life all around) for them to make these changes. Then there is this issue. Mihoyo isn't known for valuing its player base. Knowing it wants to reach out globally but is unwilling to realise that the blatant colourism they have shown isn't tolerated outside of CN is just another nail in the coffin. The fact they are unwilling to expand their worldview (or at least make consideration of it) at the request of their audience and just write off the concerns with "it's fiction we don't have to cater to you because we don't want to" is just disappointingly in character for them. I personally see this as a tired fanbase coming to terms with the fact their concerns and criticisms aren't actually valued by Hoyoverse, obviously some more than others. If they want to fix this they need to make an effort to value their player base and address these criticisms maturely and openly. People only tolerate bullshit for so long after all.
Your first paragraph is correct but... About race. As a matter of fact i think even outside of CN not a lot of GI players care about such issues and going to continue paying money to Hoyoverse, most of them just play the game. And as a company that is focused on entertainment industry (The industry that is 100% about profif) they care most about revenue, not race representation. Even if miracously speaking everyone who cares about this issue drops the game and stops paying Mihoyo a dime (which i still highly doubt) , can we really say they're gonna feel it? Since the majority of their revenue comes from average players that don't care about colourism and just like the designs? The good ol' pay with your wallet. There is a chance that they add endgame content and mechanics peoole keep asking about after they see hsr success. But fixing colourism? I just dont see that happening since minority of players care about it.
@@NoOne-fu2qt Absolutely right. This just feels like another notch in the ongoing pattern of not valuing their player base to me. No change will happen, they have already said their piece and they know they will continue to make money. As I said it took them years to fix game-based issues, things that risk losing players much more than this. But in the end, thinking they will change this is delusional. My opinion at the end of the day is just go play an indie game if this really affects how you see the company. It's just sad that in the grand year of 2024, colourism is still an issue that is either uncared for or is taken lightly. (Edit: Quick to add I said 'tolerated', so in this context I'm saying outside of CN it is much more likely for backlash to happen than with just a CN audience alone.)
You see, even chinese players, who are so notorious for being so ignorant about representation and racial issues, found those characters designs strange. For a region taking direct inspiration from pre-colonial Latin America and Africa, those characters are way too pale.
Does it batter? It’s their own fictional world and they can take inspiration from anything from real life into their games. It doesn’t have to be 100% accurate since it’s their world with their own culture.
Do you think Genshin Impact need to make some Character Changes?!
No. This is just a trojan horse for American leftists. It's these people who are the real racists because their entire world view revolves around it. Have you read and heard what they think of black people? American lefists actually believe that black people cannot figure out for themselves how to get a voter's ID or how to use a computer. Why? Well, because according to American leftists white people are so absurdly powerful and just by white people existing black people are incapable of doing anything. And their solution to this "problem"? White people. Yes, black people cannot live a proper life because of white people and yet at the same time it is only white people who can save black people. When these people call others racist they are just projecting their own ideas unto others.
Yes. One of the characters literally has a Nigerian name, doesn't look Nigerian at all. They basically said "we're stuffing all the POC cultures here, without the umm... POC" xD
@@damianadivine4368 Your entire world view revolves around race and you call other people racist? What about canonically white characters being race swapped? Is that Ok to you?
Nah
No. Identity politics is a thing only in the West. Imagine if people in China asked American companies to make games based on their politics / ideologies 😅
The weirdest thing is how NPCs have varied skin colors, but the gacha characters barely...
Just look at Lunja, it's not like Hoyoverse doesn't know how to put darkskin in the game, so why not on the pullable characters too?
Money would most likely be the reason I believe
Who even cares. You dont Need darkskins
No because if its just skin color its that simple, but we all know its not just that, DEI goal is litterally to include everyone, look at the sample of representation, does any of the liyue male characters look like Samo Hung? isnt funny that no one is fighiting for chinese people, if they wanted hoyo to correctly use RACIALLY CORRECT REPRESENTATION (I dont know how many times I am saying this, culture and race are different), then they should first push mihoyo to do that, because its their game, but we all know someone who looks like zhongli will sell more vs someone who looks like ken jeong, now were back to "wait but one is real person and one is fiction" see how that turns back around? now you might say, well we'll use animated black character, then look at barret of final fantasy, he is baddass, but do you think he'll fit in genshin? maybe, will he sell? yeah goodluck with that, do not forget cloud is the main character not barrett, so ok well use a different style, which one ? boondocks? why would hoyo risk doing that when a litteral example just happened called concord, I understand people want to feel included but why force a company that has no problem on their own part? remember us asians are all not light skinned, and we definitely do not look like zhongli. I wish bro.
@@kusiaka6739I mean as long as they actually try with the darker skin character kits then the money wouldn’t be a problem
It's not weird. It's classic East Asian classism. In countries like China darker skin tone is treated as an indicator of lower social and economic class. Chinese players don't want to play characters they consider country bumpkins.
"We love your culture but... just without you in it"
@deu2ex975 ong
It's based on Australia not Africa OR south america!!!
@deu2ex975it's not based on Africa or South America Ira based odd Australia!!!
@@fuzyfuzfuz2Native Australians are black/darkskinned (aboriginals); white Australians are just Europeans who immigrated, so either way they're still ignoring the people of the cultures they use for profit
@@Renan.m “fantasy fiction isn’t suppose to be representative of real life”
Honestly it's not that hard to make a beautiful poc character design and taking the culture without also appreciating and respecting the people of said culture is def cultural appropriation
I don't usually care about character skin color but it seems odd that they copy the culture for South America and Africa but hen don't copy the skin colors is strange to say the least. Some people bring up the tan as dark skin but I think some people are confused by what is considered dark skin. It also can't really be said that it's a gacha so it doesn't have black characters because Nikke, girls frontline, FEH, Fate go, etc have dark skin characters. I'm not saying everyone from Natlan needs to be some like fate Nitocris complexation but when no one is it can feel off, and some people will take it as a racist thing. And as for people who say they don't care then what would be wrong with just making them black?
Its NOT BASED OFF SOUTH AMERICA!!! it's based off Australia! There are NO dudgeridoos in south america!!! It's an Australian instrument. You know, the land down under? You never heard of the "outback"? Mmk, do me a favor and rewatch the trailer for Natlan with Miss Kangaroo Girl and listen to the opening music. It's CLEARLY a didgeridoo. And then look at the most recent trailer. Is Miss Great White Shark Surfer Gal NOT standing in front of a building that oddly resembles the Sydney Opera House?! Now where in the world do we see LOTS of white surfers and sharks? Umm.... could it be... the great barrier reef? Hmm? Yes, there are some in Africa but it's NOT what Africa is known for. If hoyoverse was doing Africa, where's the savannahs? The safaris? Or south america, where's the Amazon rainforest? The Andes? The incan and Aztec temples like INDIANA JONES STYLE?! they WOULD HAVE advertised that. But they didn't. You know why? Because Natlan is from the land of the CROCODILE HUNTER!
@@fuzyfuzfuz2 it is partly based off Australia, not fully. if it was fully, then it would not make sense to have a character based on Olorun, a Yoruba god, and other similar South American and African based characters.
@@alduinworldeater9743 It's been done countless times in fiction, Natlan isn't real and they don't owe anything. If it's a black character in a setting not from their culture then suddenly it's fine, it's not a big deal. But when it's their turn they immediately don't hide their double standard and racist thought anymore
@@TALK-is1qd I'm assuming your talking about situations like with the little mermaid remake movie? But I don't like that either, let's say an new movie comes out with Norse gods and Thor is Mexican, you going to ask why right? I'd do the same thing, it wouldn't make any sense. And besides by the logic of it not being real so it wouldn't matter if they released Snezhnaya and everyone there was just black. No explanation they just were, it would be weird right?
@@alduinworldeater9743 No, i'm talking about...in general, i will give you a random one. Luffy is taking inspiration from Hanuman, an Indian Hindu god and Sun Wukong, a Chinese god, but Luffy's race or nationality is Brazilian, this is from Oda interview, so Luffy isn't Indian or Chinese. But the One piece world is high fantasy, if it's low fantasy (urban fantasy) or having the real Earth then it's better to be truthful. Natlan is fictional, imagine someone makes Killer Bee more asian just because the Naruto world takes full inspiration from Sino culture from architect to religion to deity to chakras,... then i would still feel weird
i hate to say it but until the Chinese community for Genshin doesn't Make up over 50% of the Games Revenue, they will not make any kind of significant effort to make "Accurate" Character Ethnicity. The end goal is to make money, and they are making money, LOTS of money.
Proof that dark skin characters don’t make money?
This would be true if they hadn't started the silent treatment with Genshin Impact for 5 hours, literally the longest silence, no content being produced about the game
Cn people are literally the ones motivating global community to boycott
the chinese fans are also complaining 💀
@@literallyjiaoqiuthey dont want to risk it
Anyone saying "oh its just a work of fiction they don't have to base it on reality" really need to evaluate the content in the game thus far and realise that adding people of colour into a fictional reality isn't that big of an ask. It's not woke. It's not political. It's strange to adamantly avoid creating characters of colour, it's very telling. In a world where a man can be born with blue hair and purple eyes, I don't think darker skin is that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
They might as well say "Anime is supposed to be a perfect world to escape to, adding black people to that world kind of defeats the point.", that's what they insinuate.
@@hentisenti Yeah, it gives that vibe doesn't it lol
People always excusing that its a game or fiction forget that they literally had Yunjin, a bibically ACCURATE representation and depiction of Chinese Opera and Culture. And you dare to say the game does not have relations to real world inspiration? Hypocrites and racists.
It is obvious that they are going to want to show a character that represents a part of their culture, the same thing Americans do in Hollywood movies, I don't see the problem
Ok and? It was never directly stated yunjin is “chinese opera” as it is “liyue opera.” Game devs can reference as much or as little real world things in their fictional world. Cry about it.
@crashphoenix6362 i mean, it is Chinese opera and meant to be this.
They kept the Chinese song for every dub and i do think they already have talk about yunjin as an homage of Chinese opera (it was maybe in a live?? Like they explained what it is idk).
Heck, its not for nothing that yunjin make it to the Chinese news and got praise for a good representation in a video game!
@@El_Amor_De_Tu_Vida. the problem is theyre using other people's culitures without being proper Abt it. If its not theirs and if theyre not gonna commit to it THEN DONT FUCKING USE IT. youre gonna butcher it. Absolutely dumb
@@lunalajoie3073 ok so what if the chinese song is used. Isn’t it obvious that the chinese company would want to reference a part of their culture that they like, especially since no company is gonna want to spend money on 4 separate full songs for each dub. Hoyoverse never directly advertises their regions as faithful representation of real world cultures as it is all fiction, so I don’t see the problem.
Maviika looks like she's either a biker or a stuntwoman. Hell, she looks like she's cosplaying Bayonetta. These designs are all over the place.
By far the ugliest archon in the game.
She's hot, looks awesome, and is a Himeko, so oh well.
Like nobody complain about raiden shogun? bro literrary is a waifu and there was never a shogun with that type of cloths. I LOVE AS A LATINO MAVIIKA, AND WITH THE MOTO 100% REPRESENTATION
And Art Her Outfit Has Aztct Art Things ON It But Her Name Is Maori? Why
@@ricardorecalde4655 technically people did complain and said she look like nothing like God more like pro$titut3
Thats Chinese beauty standards for you.
Exactly
Then avoid African myths and cultures if dark skin is frowned upon! 🤷🏾♂️
Genshin is 'inspired' by real names, places and/or cultures. As far as i know, there is no Nation called Natlan on the Teyvat continent, if there is, please point it on the google maps. People need to STOP and differentiate between real life and games.
@@starxenoon8848hyv themselves said abt genshin that they will make “ 7 nations based off real continents/countries “ ☠️🙏
@@Kazzxqers I didnt know countries are specific to one color, I guess the racist part of USA is right to be racist by that logic? cause by your logic, doesnt matter if there are light skin south american, if they represent south american it should be the darkskin ones? see how racist that is?
Its like Sumeru All over again
😂
And it will be forgotten like the sumeru drama all over again
except its not there were literally 6/9 dark skinned characters
@@Camrizzgyatkingskibiticoo23 I think there's dehya cyno that's all
@@Xoxososowi i meant for natlan lol
I'm Mexican and I'm just use to it at this point. I don't care it's just a game😅, if every day media gets away with always using the lighter skinned Latino in everything then I'm not expecting much from a Chinese game when we ourselves (latino media) do the same thing
I’m south Asian, I didn’t like what they did with Sumeru honestly. I didn’t care much either, but it really hurts now that I think about it. That my skin colour is something to be hidden. The worst part is they made the enemy NPCs coloured but not the characters. This has happened so much before, but I guess it’s just an opinion.
@@snowecaddel9454 because it doesnt matter, its a video game, its a fantasy not a reality.
Because if you are gonna push reality into this, then you will have to agree with the DEI's agenda, what are their agenda is you might ask? well "we want diversity and inclusivity" what that means is that you have to include everybody, so lets say hoyo adds darkskin characters, which one?
Who do you think will sell more if they base the face model on reality, PRYANKA or ZENDAYA?
@@maimaibiri9045 media affects reality.
@@maimaibiri9045media is a reflection of reality
@@maimaibiri9045 True.
As a follow black person it’s kind of a big deal like I know they make darker skin characters, but they’re still pretty pale. The one thing the people need to understand is are if you’re are trying to represent a culture or country you need to respect it and yes, I guess you can say dear respecting it, but they’re not really adding that much dark skin into the game. I know this just pixels but it’s a big of a deal, I don’t think that is racist because I’m pretty is not if the were I’m pretty sure they would do way worse things but in my opinion, they’re kinda acting lazy in the skin color apartment.
(sorry if you see spelling mistakes)
Create your own game then with the assistance of sweet baby inc. Then based it own African mythology and see if it succeeds. Oh wait, ZAU flooped because no one cared.
@@antoniojosetorrente559I just know you’re such a sad person inside.
@@UltimateGenosyko Huh how did you know? Is it being called a racist for a decade because I don't like forced diversity even though I'm technically a POC as well? Oh wait I'm Asian, which according to wokes is now white adjacent.
Ahh yes they are not racist. More like lazy, yup that's it I guess? 😅😅😅
@@tristanmanalo6252Its a mix between colorism and laziness 😂
Xilonen supremacy.. but she lowkey looks like Kirara + Dehya
CONNECT THE DOTS!!! it's based off Australia NOT Africa or South America!
@@fuzyfuzfuz2brother where are you getting australia from ☠️☠️
In Asia people are lot more racist towards dark skin. So having a lot of dark characters will lead to less sells kn their home territory
They’re already making SO much money. It would barely make a dent if some characters didn’t sell.
@@_dawn9764 They are putting resources into these characters. They want there return on investment so making Characters they know wont sell is bad business.
most are colorists, not racists
@@prastagus3same sh*t cuh
Well... they covered Black Panther's face on the Chinese posters even removing some due to skin color, I don't think they'll make changes because mihoyo aren't here to please the players, they have to keep the social credit high you know.
Edit: Not mihoyo that covered the poster.
They removed Finn for the posters of star wars.
@@BloodEdgeExtreme2000 exactly so it's not just mihoyo, and we may not expect them to do changes for the most well known piece of entertainment they have.
It has nothing to do with social credit, stop coping, let's be real. Mhy don't give a fuck about us because we only made up 10% of their revenue, and China made 50%, Japan made up 30%, and these people don't give a fuck about black people, rather they will be mad if 8 of 10 of their new update characters be black
It's a China thing and there trying there damdest to at least give some representation
@@5N34X i know right. No matter how hard they boycott. China will turn a blind eye.
I'm not really bothered that much by the cast, would I prefer it if Xilonen was darker skin? absolutely, however, if you want to name a character after an African supreme deity then you better make it right, so out of the entire cast, Ororon is the worst in terms of representation.
I really wanted Mavuika to be a brown woman. But also she just looks like a nascar driver. Hyv really gave us the NASCAR archon. She’s incredibly hot and all but at the same time wth lol
I expected the pyro archon to be a dark skinned fiery woman because Natlan is a nation of war. I don't get her design at all. Like she isn't that bad but she just doesn't fit her own nation
@@than7831 It's because she's a Himeko
I'm fine With her because she's an Himeko expy but brown skin would have been a pleasant surprise , or at least not give her the name of a Maori goddess lol .
That biker outfit is the weirdest decision I've ever seen for an Archon. Love or hate her we cannot deny how illogical that outfit is in genshin.
@@Jackson-ub1uv Himeko could have been brown in Genshin, especially since Hyv placed her in the nation that *they* based off of irl parts of Africa/precolonial Americas/and apparently parts of Polynesia. Lol. If it's all just fiction, why couldn't she be brown?
Funny thing about Oloron , at least if you look on wikipedia , Oloron is shapeless , genderless and in spirit form . The photo we see is just one depiction of him from an artist , while in actuality Oloron doesn't look like anything .
This is one of the passage from wikipedia "Olorun has no gender in the Ifá Literary Corpus, and is always referred to as an entity who exists in spiritual form only.
Historically, the Yoruba worship Olorun through the agency of the orisa; thus there is no image, shrine or sacrifice made directly towards Olorun, since Olorum is known to BE everything, and everywhere."
So yes, in a sense, Oloron can be white sasuke batman Anime ikemen .
That's such a cop-out. Why can't be be a black ikemen then? Can I make every genderless God Black then by your logic?
@@innitbruv-lascocomics9910 As a fiction? yes you can, as a religion yeah careful with that.
Tbh I have seen many people argue about the skin colour of the new region characters and I personally don't think skin tone colour would count as representing ones culture. (Like search it up many online result would tell you that skin tone is NOT apart of ones culture)
Now one can argue well why don't skin tone count as apart of the culture? Well the main reason it won't count would be,because in some culture people would have like the same skin tone,but their culture would have literally NOTHING in common😅
Then what is the meaning of Culture? Well it means
-the tradition
-the design of their traditional clothings
-the building in that the culture own
So I don't see why the whole community is arguing about something that everyone should know before they start or at least should have done some research about it? (Plus Idk but I feel like some people don't even play genshin here they just wanted to join a argumentor something?)
But in all fairness it's only my opinion😅
In my humble opinion as a POC, it really doesn't matter. Genshin's world isn't realistic, and it probably never will be. It's an rpg open world fantasy game with its own rules and laws that we don't get a say in. Games like Overwatch are based on OUR world in the future, so inclusiveness is integral to make the game feel like it's realistic and really our planet 30 or whatever years into the future. I'm really sorry about the lack of black people in a Chinese game but if it bothers you that much, you're better off finding another game to play because this isn't the one for you and it probably never will be. Also, side note: A lot of the "POC defenders/advocates" are honestly not helpful at all, and honestly, just come off as weirdly racist like when they edit a character's skin-tone to be black and claim they look "better" or "should look like that". I'm sorry, but you won't fix racism by being racist/colourist
Pick me!!!! chose me!!!
@@Kill3rrockstar "I'm a degenerate! My brain is small!"
@@Kill3rrockstar"i don't have a life! the only thing i have to look forward to is drama!"
copium
@@stupidheadwisp it's not copium when I really don't care 😂
Leave my billion dollar company alone
😅😅😅
That same billion dollar company can’t even do the bare minimum
💀
Yeah a billion dollar company who cant make a skin color darker than paper white
@@Uno_Ozdude mihoyo has a nuclear reactor project.
I just gonna be real, the consensus of majority of players are not aligned with the consensus with Twitter. Since the RUclips Natlan trailer never got the same treatment how everyone treating Assassins Creed Shadows. It is basically Sumeru all over again. Most players don't really care much thing like this in a pure fantasy game. So I kind of felt social media are mad over nothing. lol
You can break it down mathematically. Take the largest amount of likes you see that are unlikely to be botted, subtract a bit because tons of these people admit they have multiple accounts to fluff numbers, subtract more from those who only like things because someone they follow posted (if you want, I didn't when I did percentages), and then divide it by the monthly players of 65 million. You get like 0.06% And that number is likely lower as plenty of these people don't form opinions themselves and just parrot stuff until they see the next "issue."
Also ....the npc named a slur against North Africans .... Carthaginians DID NOT die for this
So funny how so many people think they fighting racism but they are showing THEY are the racist ones, implying that all mexicans have dark skins, lmao. This game is taking inspiration of PLACES, not PEOPLE, many games do this, ff14 for example. This is also a game of FICTION, not REAL LIFE or Representation. Not defending hoyo, i actually quit the game like 4 months ago, the game is pretty terrible for my taste, it's just so funny how people are projecting their racism, lol. Game with outdated stamina system, terrible endgames, slow pace fights, too vertical exploration, too many recycled events, so many stolen ideas from other games, even catchphrases from anime, but no, lets fight so we can have darker characters, lmao.
Yes. Obviously light Mexicans won't have a shortage of respectful representation. That isn't the goal post. They are talking about those who dont.
Correct.
Why the fk are people asking a CN creator to create none-CN art style characters? They portrayed their understanding of the western/African culture and thats it. Didn’t western media always make wrong portray about CN culture? Where are these cry babies then?
They aren't asking to CREATE the characters, they're asking to FIX them. You can't steal inspiration from a culture and basically say "hey yeah love your culture but not you"
@@zephyrim Who gives a damn, if they want it, then go create it themselves. Hoyo want to promote Chinese culture so they made Genshin, these cry babies should do the same.
Genshin is *Anime* style game as Mihoyo said themselves. However, Black & Brown skinned are absolutely doable in any anime style, look at Nessa, Iris, or any black or brown adjacent character from pokemon.
@@hentisenti why tho? Why would they do it if they don’t care it? And why would people ask Hoyo for something they don’t even care?
If they can’t portray African characters then avoid these cultures and focus on what you know and that’s China and Europe.
If you want accurate region characters then let’s do this…
Ayato, Ayaka and Kokomi need to have black hair… when have you seen naturally light blue/ white young haired characters native to Japan? This also applies to Kazuha and Ningguang (yeah I know she is from Liyue) … unless they are albino this should not exist in that region.
Yoimiya should not be native to Inazuma… she is blond, which means that all of her family should mostly have black hair if they are native to Inazuma.
Xinyan and Kaeya need to be white skin since one is from a Chinese region and the other one is from a region that has no sunlight.
Eula cannot have blue hair.. she needs to have blond or brown hair.
Chongyun has to have black hair unless they have explained that his hair turned white due to his abilities (haven’t done his companion quest)
Cyno cannot have white hair… it has to be black hair…. Unless he has early gray hair or like Chongyun changed color due to his abilities.
You see my point… it’s a game it’s not going to be completely accurate to the region…
Would I love more people with color skin, yes… but again it’s being blown out Of proportion…
Edit: let’s also add to the fact that most of the characters have perfect bodies with no excess of fat in them… yeah these characters are fictional it’s not going to be accurate most of the time…
Genshin is a fantasy open world game so obviously it’s gonna have some fantasy elements in there like multi colored hair, characters in the game can control the elements/ have magical abilities, etc. The problem is that this game takes some inspiration from real world places and cultures shown by various locations, names and items used in the game and so far has been incorporated well into the game but Natlan out of all the regions have to be the most inaccurate and its offending a lot of people who’s culture is supposed to be represented in this new region especially when the other regions have been done so well. So Hoyoverse couldn’t just make the characters a bit more accurate to the real world since the game is heavily inspired by it.
You do realize blasians exist?
Plus, no one is talking about hair color.
No one would care if they added a dark skinned character with multi color hair.
@@Uno_Oz I want see the revenue how offended this non existent people
Also due to cultural and the 72 demons belong to Solomon nahida, tsrista, murata. And shogun should be male due to there archon names technically ei can't be female as there was no female shogun.
@@lenasyhx ok so say they made a character with proper dark skin for the area what would people's response be if that character isn't good
asian players are also complaining tho…
Not really much yapping like western. You can count. You will see western yapping to much. Asian more on enjoy the game.
@@zachheadhunter9551oh trust me, a lot of us are pretty upset too 😭
@@mako_234 not for me tho, i only upset about drop artifact worst. Nothing change, so better swallow it if want to continue rather than yapping with nothing in return.
@@mako_234 and still can count in asia. Majority doesn't care much about skin, they complaint about reward and gameplay character. They only listen to majority, because there their money income.
Yup just like Ubisoft assassin Creed bbc🤣
as a person of colour, I couldn't care any less about skin tones and representation in a video game of all places! 💀
So you consider video games an inferior medium compared to other forms of art and entertainment and that, despite having much more scope than these, they lack their influence on the perception of societies?
@@marcosmoreno72 not really. But I'm here to play a game, kill some time. Not to stress about cultural representation
@@AngryLad_80 good for you, fortunately society does not revolve around your complacency, not too many rights would have been won in these millennia of fight. They should not have chosen these cultures as inspiration if they were going to ignore, denigrate (dehya and candance exist) and replace their people, that's all, your discomfort is not relevant and neither mine btw
@@marcosmoreno72 calm down, lil pup. It's not that deep.
@@AngryLad_80 As long as you don't defend the evil company, I will be perfectly calm, and seeing that thinking is something too tiring for you, I will also dont give more arguments as to why Hoyo (and China Btw) have a serious problem both with their beauty standards and with their opinion on the humans with melanin.
Here's the response from the company to a perpetually offended person:
"Dear Traveler,
Thank you for your feedback.
Please be kindly reminded that Genshin Impact is a work of fiction and is not related to actual people, events, groups, or organizations.
We do really hope for your understanding.
Kind regards,
Gesnhin Impact CS Team"
That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard lol. Not related to people, events my ass. It literally represents culture from around the world.
What a shit pronouncement
Based developers for being able to separate fiction and reality. "These characters are not you, and will never be you, nor will they ever be your family, or even mere strangers to you, because they don't exist."
But they are taking and using other cultures
@@eliajshdjddjCreate your own game then, but don't call us racist if it flops. Case in point, ZAU
Ok I need to talk about this and it a one that a bit annoying to me, so when Genshin Impact make a bunch of white characters they all hate their guts for it but when Honkai star rail has literally nothing but white characters they don’t care like am I the only one seeing this? Because to me this is so stupid it honestly makes me feel annoyed. I’m not trying to be rude and I’m not trying to come across as racist but that the end of the day it just a game and they will get over it over time until the next area.
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Genshins map design is very clearly based off of real life places.
Monstadt - Germany and central europe
Inazuma - Japan etc
And nobody complained about race there because its just another gacha anime game under a chinese company. But when you have middle east and african inspirations then obviously you need to change it up
Hsr doesnt need to because it doesnt really reflect real world countries. The only locations are a space station, a generic snow place and whatever tf you want to call penacony
@@ADoomain ok that make sense at all but that doesn’t excuse Honkai for not having a single black character in any planet just saying
Just to clarify if a game does not have areas that are specifically based on places where black and brown people exist then it’s not that no one cares it’s a little thing called ✨race consistency✨. If there was a region based on an Asian or European culture and they made a majority of the cast clearly dark skinned this is just as offensive as taking a culture with majority people as dark skin and limiting the skin color to say the loli characters or just purposely making them weaker than the much more “superior” light skin characters
@@ffxfgxsfxxxg2419 I guess that make sense but still come on not 1? Say what you will about Genshin impact but at least they try to make black characters unlike Honkai is, it doesn’t matter about planet and stuff because they been thought 4 worlds that have not a single black character is a bit ridiculous
As much as I want more chocolate/darker babes in genshin. I doubt mihoyo is gonna do something about it, unless data shows that it's gonna make money (if chinese playerbase wants it). But with the cn players are starting to notice, it's a bit more likely now
Remember, vote with your money. Don't like it/want it to change? Dont support it. But genshintwt will bitch and whine but still support the things they disagree with.
Love your vids btw
The issue with darker skinned characters like Xinyan, Candace, Sethos, Dehya and Cyno is that none of them are good meta-wise. Dehya’s kit in particular made me wonder if Hoyo intentionally sabotaged her. Had she gotten a decent kit, she would’ve brought a lot of money.
People literally voted for their money with Dehya even though she was literally the weakest character in Genshin and look where that got us today majority white cast and mostly loli dark skin cast
@@saeranchoi3343 I pulled for dehya. Yeah, she was done dirty man
I thought about it too. If they did make the skin darker in natlan. It might be a monkey paw situation. Dark skin sure, but dogshit kit
@@ffxfgxsfxxxg2419 wish they buffed dehya. They definitely did her dirty. Sadly her banner did not do well (cuz her kit sucks ass)
But still. By voting with money, i also meant not supporting them with their bs.
@@saeranchoi3343they’re still useable though. Dehya and Xinyan are pretty bad, but with enough investment they can work.
Sethos and Cyno are both great for dendro reaction teams, as an electro on field applier/driver, Kaeya is a great support for freeze and melt.
Candace (at C6 albeit) is actually pretty good with Arle, and as a general hydro slot.
Everyone in Genshin, with enough investment, is good.
A character can be good, without being meta defining.
I don’t really care about character skin colors in video games, it’s more about what’s in their hearts and their overall personalities. Skin shouldn’t matter.
I feel that’s not fair to get mad at Hoyoverse for this simply because of that. It’s their game and I don’t hear this being yelled about for Star Rail IR the newly released ZZZ. Does that make Ben Biggerman the “black guy”? He’s a big bear. Everyone looks back at Sumeru fondly because of the story and landscapes in the jungle and desert.
You can't claim that your game has true diversity by stealing REAL culture without implementing the respective skin tones of said cultures.
Not seeing the problem is either ignorance or racism.
How would you feel if Genshin Impact added your family to the game, with all of the 'lore' your family has, but they completely colorwash your family, and mock them into petite anime girls?
Dude u are dilusional if u really think that is something that only happen with mihoyo games like any gacha game barely add dark skin characters or even AAA games dont do that, why simple they dont sell well is just that is not racism u have to remember this is CN game that main market is CN and they like White skin
Anyway there are many ways to represent a nation not only the skin color like the músic, architecture, inviroment, tradition, etc, that is what mihoyo focus and their are doing great and in the trailer character u can see it for example Chasca a character that i want why because they use a Salvadorian legend to make that character and as a Salvadorian I like it
It is that time of the years again where the sub human come out of their cave to bark about something they are powerless to do anything about it.
I think whatever you want to do wont affect hoyo's decision by now. Their character design is already finalized. I am not an art expert, but simply changing their skin tone to like Iansan is just horrible decision if they do it. Their color wont match with their outfit.
Well I'd like to see how far this drama goes. How will those drama farming CCs will react etc
Genshin is the biggest game there is rn and one of the most influential. If they can make Yun Jin be the love letter to Chinese opera, the can give the same respect to Sumeru and Natlan. We know it's just a game, but when that games business model is influencing other games/fans to follow its steps its starting to hurt people irl. Especially big genshin fans who are starting to hurl insults towards poc. Calling us dramatic when we see our culture being disrespected. It's a slap to the face especially when it's been more than 3yrs
As an POC, Genshin has no responsibilities for how its own fanbase acts on the internet. That responsibility is on you and everyone's that acts immature about this.
Second, I don’t want you talking for me when I am not bother by any of the character designs. This is an 100% fictional world that is not based on real life whatsoever. They do take inspiration from other culture yes, but they do not need to represent that culture's "skintones" 100% when they don’t have to. Its not important for the game nor is it important for majority of the people playing this game.
Please realize that this stuff does not matter to alot of people, included the chinese players who the actual main audiences.
who cares about skin color? I'm black and if anyone is pale in genshin I can continue to breath anyway.
also I LOVE these character!
Let me play devil's advocate. If they did dark skin characters, some people would still call Hoyo racist. And if Hoyo hires Chinese voice actors to play these dark skin characters. Some people would scream "black face".
Not to mention how hypocrite they would look like if they want a darkskin but specific ones that don't look like
"IAMTHECAPTAINNOW"
Seems likely.
Probably not. But blackface is actually done in China IRL.
Respectfully, I'm not getting the point of the comment? Who is going to complain if they add dark skin. Bc it seems like people want it.
They are also getting it and just complaining more. So it's probably better to just ignore them.
you all would lose your mind when you found out that if you search Nero Claudius an Anime girl pops out, just because they based something on another thing, it doesn't mean it's suddenly the end-all be-all representation of what it is, i hate to defend Hoyo, but they are not obligated to make a "representation" as you all like to call it 1:1 to stuff they base on, if you want that, go watch a documentary
take it from fgo, a game based from various myths and cultures but they still let the artist do their thing in designing the characters because, i know this is a foreign concept, they are FICTIONAL. i as Indonesian would have never known historical or mythological figures like Bradamante, one of Charlamagne's Paladins, the Trung sisters from the Vietnamese military leaders, or even the joke about Queen medb's death was due to cheese rolling on top of her
of course they have a different design in-game than they do in source material, what do i do about it? go and look up the damn thing, differentiate between them, realize they're just fiction
It's wild how developers have to remind players that genshin is fictional and none of the characters are real people. Mind virus is spreading like a wildfire on X.
If only people understand that
but why would they base it off of real countries then?
They should probably not base their characters on real deities dark skin tones and make them tan
Like these natlan characters are just tan
I don't think it matters if they go for world designs and architecture but actual things from culture is strange
Aside from that nobody seems to complain that the regions don't have differences with how characters or Npcs speak there's barely a difference they don't have accents
Assassin Creed want to say hi😂
That Asassins Creed Shadows energy is gone huh?? Where'd the energy go?
I have Mexican blood but have very light skin. I hope people remember that there are light skin Hispanics and Africans too. I feel like those people are just forgotten, so that's kinda a problem, so that kind of makes problems in both parties:
Genshin not making enough darker skin playable characters.
And fans forgetting that some of the people they are talking about have lighter skin too while being upset and talking about it on Twitter (or X) and IG, etc.
And I know this because I have seen so many comments of the people talking about Natlan suggesting that these people (Hispanics and Africans) don't have light skin.
Edit: Forgot to say that this isn't me defending the devs. I'm annoyed, too. I'm just pointing out problems of both sides of this.
There's a lot of people that put people in bubbles and have a set appearance for them (most of the time, it's that everyone in a certain race would look the same, this skin color, that hair color or style etc.) and to these people if you don't look like their ideal appearance for a race, you aren't that race. That's not only disrespectful but flat-out racist.
This is one thing a light skin nonwhite Hispanic or African might think when people say things like "they are whitewashed," or "why are they white?" Or "at least he/she isn't white," but to others, it might be hurtful, and they might think that something is wrong with them because they have lighter skin.
Its been almost 5 years, they only have 5 "dark skinned" character and they barely even cover the normal shade of tan. Are we really wanting just ONE dark skin character every 365 days?
Lighter skin individuals of Mesoamerica, subsaharan Africa are nowhere as pale skinned as european or east asian phenotype. A lot of people non pale white look deep beige. But it doesn't have to be 'pick one over the other' just because certain portion is in fact paler than rest of population.
Nah mavuika and that leopard girl are looking insanely pretty 😍
Just watch, ppl will hate it but then they’ll love it when it acc releases
And I was right ppl love it now
Chinese don’t want to see blacker characters in their game. It’s just what it is buddy 😂😂😂
As someone who’s born in South America which I’m half white & Latino, I accept the designs a few countries here has people who have white skin colour even though they’re Spanish. Plus I think the meaning of racism of how I see it, is hatred towards your own species in the animal kingdom which is human it’s not about skin colour at all.
Someone on the dev team said that they don't care bc it's a game
That is the correct response. The developers can make their game and design their characters as they see fit. It's their game. Their creative vision. If people don't like it they can just play another game, or make their own game. No one is stopping anyone from making their own game.
@@Satyr42 I don't care bc I stopped playing Genshin but your point is correct
@@HackerCow-wac8 I stopped playing Genshin as well. I just don't like it when people try to force their idea of how things should be unto others. I have my criticism of Genshin (mostly revolving around gameplay and QoL) but I fully acknowledge the developer's right to pursue their own creative vision regardless of wat I and anyone else thinks of it.
@@maymeoo21 Ever heard of the game Manor Lords? It's in early access on Steam right now and in the past 5 years it was being developed by just one Polish guy. Only very recently, due to his game selling well on Steam, he gained some funds to rent space for a game studio and hire some people.
@@maymeoo21 No one is stopping you from trying. There are plenty of indie game devs out there who are successful on their own.
Ofc it wouldnt matter to u much. Its not like you're having issue w representation, when 99% of characters are white
There are NO didgeridoos in South America!!! It's a northern Australian instrument!!!! Go rewatch the first Natlan trailer with Miss Kangaroo girl. You can HEAR the didgeridoo in the beginning. Which is a "land down under" "G'day mate!" Kinda vibe. Mmmk? Also! Miss Great white shark surfer gal in the most RECENT trailer is standing in front a building that looks an awful LOT like the Sydney Opera house. You know Australia has a history of wars too in the real world? And wasn't there a Also, Google, "Emu war Australia," for me. You won't be disappointed I promise.
Yes, there are distinctly aboriginal elements at play in Natlan.
But two of the characters are named after African gods, at least two are named after Mayan/Mexica deities, at least one is named after a Native American Spirit, and the Archon is named after a Māori goddess. Also we got battle music with Yoruba singing and tango/carinosa influences so saying they aren’t present is blindingly false.
They are pulling from Africa and the ENTIRE Ring of Fire and while the lack of discussion surrounding Australia’s distinct influences is warranted to point out, it is not the sole influence being extracted to build Natlan.
Well I think the reason is the mihoyo isChinese company and in china the beauty standards are white so for better sales they need to make em white.and genshin is an anime game and they make same tanned characters but if they make characters like very black then they wouldn't look good.but therye trying
Bruh who cares. It is a fictional game and fictional characters. Game devs don’t have the obligation to make what they reference 100% accurate. It is a work of fiction and if that angers you, you need to go outside and touch some grass or something.
Why is "it's fiction" an argument here? I don't understand. Is fiction just for light people? Why is having darker skin in a world where blue hair and purple eyes exist so outlandish?
@@IamEL1979 because most people who argue that genshin needs more “representation” don’t know the difference between real life and fiction. They argue that natlan is suppose to be an accurate representation of africa or latin america yet not once did hoyoverse ever advertise their game as accurate to any real world nation. It’s fiction, that is what they said.
@@crashphoenix6362 Ok? Regardless. Why is having dark brown skin something that can't happen in this fictional world?
@@IamEL1979 lemme do you one more, why does hoyoverse need to cater to you, when they made it dead clear it is completely fiction and not suppose to be and accurate representative of any real world cultures/nation and it is their work, not yours. They don’t care about DEI, cry about it. Another thing, why is this movement even important. Sumeru’s drama is forgotten and dead as soon as sumeru dropped, and nothing was lost or gained from the movement failing, so why exactly is it important to complain about the skin color of literal pixels on a screen. You want to fight actual racism, maybe go tackle something in reality first.
@@crashphoenix6362 Why is it such a big deal to make a character any colour but pale? What exactly makes that seem outlandish to you. Also, they profit from us. If they want to continue doing so, they should at least take our criticisms seriously. That doesn't mean do it, they won't. But at least try to see why people are upset. Also, "accurate representative of any real-world cultures/nation" people of colour exist everywhere. These characters are based on the real world because they are human. They have shown people of colour exist in the world, that is an aspect of their fictional world that has been established. So yes, the "it's just fictional" is a bullshit excuse. Fiction is reflective of its creators, and people don't like what the creators are looking like right now.
I think the characters looks pretty cool
Regardless of what people think considering the situation and it's aspects it's disrespectfull what hoyoverse is doing
Don't any of ya'll find it fucked up about how they use culture and make money off of it but don't proceed to put the people in it? Even without the whole race thing, from a design standpoint, it looks off with them having pale skin, and you can tell they're supposed to have darker skin :/
But, it doesn't matter as long as they make money, and ya'll have fun. You guys don't care if it affects real people and their very real lives :/
Nope because it isn’t supposed to be a simulation it’s inspiration, Natlan is fictional and skin color isn’t culture. Only racists obsess about skin color.
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Hoyoverse, if this is not enough. i dont know WHAT is
Can all their combined efforts outspend the whales in China and Asia? Maybe...but I doubt it.
literally only 5 people 💀
The people complaining about Genshin whitewashing their characters are also the ones praising Assassins Creed Shadows for finding the only black man in Japanese (made up) history and deciding to base a game around him.
He actually exists, and you can play as an Japanese person too. Shut up cuase you dont even know what your talking about
Yasuke was a real dude though
He was real. Read a book. The main argument is if he achieved the title of samurai or not.
I feel like it’s easy for you to say because you don’t belong with that culture but for us, we have a different pov than ppl like u 😊
In my honest opinion, no, I don’t think it’s racist. Let me explain.
Natlan is a fantasy nation, and only takes inspiration from Central and South America. It’s not a 1 to 1.
In this aspect, Hoyo can do as they please. Natlan isn’t real. The characters aren’t real. Hoyo can do as they please in this regard.
And if people don’t like it, there are two options.
One, stop playing Genshin. Two, make your own game with your own characters.
And even if people do speak up about it, Hoyo won’t change a thing.
People have been complaining about quality of life and rewards, and Hoyo still hasn’t changed a damn thing from day 1. And anything they did change was lack luster at best.
If Hoyo does change things, that’s fine. But I doubt anything will happen.
Yeah but the thing is they wanna go all out with their Chinese Characters and Japanese characters but wanna give low effort to sumeru and Nathan chars. Ofc people coming from that culture are gonna be offended due to how they were represented in game.
No it’s extremely racist lmao
Don’t use the culture if you don’t want to add the people
Bro no😭✋️
If you are taking from other people culture, you should represent them respectfully. That's the bare minimum.
@@2k3dWdym low effort to Sumeru and Natlan characters? Low effort how??
From what I’ve heard, Nilou and Dori’s outfits are accurate to their inspiration, namely Persian and Turkish outfits I think.
Making a character Al-Haitham, who is scholarly, is a neat nod to Ibn Al Haitham. Knowing those sorts of things would take research, not really low effort.
Lots of Sumeru characters are also well written and well developed, like Faruzan, Cyno, Nahida, etc.
Sumeru as a region has the most amount of world quests and the ones with the best stories and best npcs.
And how are Natlan characters low effort? We’ve only gotten one teaser trailer, so don’t jump to such quick conclusions.
And why would Hoyo, if they are a biased Chinese company, favours the Japanese region when China and Japan have historic tension, and current political tension. If anything, they’d want to represent Japan in a negative light, if they had this pro-CCP, pro-China narrative.
@stormer2349 I meant skin color buddy. A lot of people thought there should've been more darker characters. I agree. And they represented Japan and China really well but in Natlan, we got a boy who looks like a tetris block. Wtf lol
Designs are beautiful and it’s good the way they are.
No they aren’t
They could be better
Yes, they are.
They could be better
No
My big thing is that people forget about how good hoyo does with the cultural aspects of the nations like the music, dances, regions. Ya sure they could of made most characters darker but it’s a video game other aspects of the culture will be fantastic. Skin color is only a small part of a culture to me. 😊
Skin color is a huge part
Always has been
Skin color also matters because It's THE PEOPLE!
@@Dojafish but why do we have to seperate the world by peoples color of skin. All people are and should be people the only thing that differs between us is the cultures we live in. Ik it's my opinion but I just really don't get why we have to seperate or judge people or designs by their color of skin. That should have no affect. The only character I think should HAVE TO BE dark is Ororon since he is actually BASED on a Real diety who is dark. I could see a judgment for Murata since she is the god of NATLAN.
@@gardevoirmaster5743 then why exclude people and only allow white ones be in the game?
Why take away the people who made these cultures away?
Do you realize how racist it is?
@@eliajshdjddjsounds like a racist take ngl. Skin color is just a color of skin.
Honestly, it’s just so startling when they base a character (Mavuika) off of a Maori diety (I could be wrong on the reference being a diety, as I am Aussie and know pretty little about Kiwi culture) but then made them pale af and didn’t even try to give them Maori tattoos or anything else exceedingly linked to it. I understand Australia and New Zealand’s history with… well, everything… “blac” is a term among Aboriginal people for a reason, so I wouldn’t mind her being lightskinned or tanned but white, however I do have a problem with her being as pale as the sun-dried orange a plant pot I made for my mother is
Also didgeridoos are an Australian instrument, specifically Aboriginal. They aren’t from anywhere else. Didgeridoos are also a male-only instrument (I won’t go into the reasoning as my understanding of Aboriginal culture is looser than most, though it’s still better than *some*) and there are also instruments that women mainly use (idk if they are regulated to women-only, however). Anyway, I find it upsetting that, outside of Australian’s without big platforms, nobody is talking about the Australian and New Zealand influences that are pulled from Aboriginal and Maori culture (and especially the ways they mishandled it like with Mavuika)
no its not, end of discussion
Is crying about pixels the only thing gringos know how to do?
It doesn’t matter and it should not matter period. If a characters going to represent the background of what the region is supposed to be and it look like the characters they shown are representing the region as a whole . This crap of oh these characters are not representative the core of there nation because there white not dark skin? It the world of anime.
Well, to be honest, I wouldn’t pull for the characters if they are black
But if they are doing a dark skin or black inspired region then they should make them black .
Everyone that thinks these designs are fine are wrong
Taking cultures and names from POC and giving them to pasty looking characters is not good
Question is can you outspend the whales in China and Asia? If you and your friends can at least do a dent to it, then they might listen to your whining. But if not, nothing will change.
why is it wrong? 😂
"Taking culture" - no culture was taken honey. Teyvat is a product of inspiration. Are we gate keeping culture now? - culture which is meant to be shared and form a cohessive society and be a melting pot of cultures.
"... and names from POC" - I am literally named after a Greek deity yet not a single drop of blood from a white person is running through my veins
If you want to make us care about white washing start caring about black washing, which is infinitely wider issue in the west now. Stop the hate on whites and asians if you want us to care about you and your worries. Love has to be two sided.
I think nothing's wrong with the current designs
Hoyoverse literally put the name of an orisha on a white character (orishas are black gods from some African-based religions). Don't you think that's disrespectful?
Objectively wrong
@@CarlosJogos-zs2egTell that to every other game company and Hollywood who blackwash every white character.
So did you watch this video with your eyes closed and the video on mute?
@@CarlosJogos-zs2eg I am literally named after a Greek Deity. I am not even a white race 😂
Same people that was b*tching about Yasuke all of a sudden don’t see the problem with this character… 😂
Maybe they should add a coloured character with a good kid, meanwhile updating other coloured character's kits.
Other than that, this shouldn't be made a political issue, its just absurd and cringe. Its barely a game.
Tbh if they did do changes to the skin colour I would’ve hope they could put a little tan on them just like xilonen But I’m not sure if they are gonna do that cuz they already have a full trailer so the chances could be pretty low 😢
Xilonen and Mavuika would look very hot with a deeper tan. Xilonen pretty much reminiscent of Ghislaine Dedoldia from Mushoku Tensei
"Calm down, son... It's just a drawing." - Bikini Bottom Police Officer
Tbh should I care? (I'm not sounding bad)🇿🇦
No you shouldn't.
Fiction is one of the best means of establishing and perpetuating biases and prejudices, which cause discrimination, it is also a perfect way to rewrite history in favor of the government in power.
no u shouldn't
I think the best way is to let them do what they want. At least they don't try to hurt anyone
@@xenoemblem7 yeah
Unfortunately there is still major racism in their culture, but we are slowly pushing them to become better. Though it'll take time to change a whole culture
I personally don't don't care about the skin tone of a characters. As long as their culture is being shown and represented properly. That's good enough for me.
Also this is a fictional game in a fictional setting inspired by real culture, so of course it's not gonna be a 100% accurate to the inspiration.
And as long as the characters are hot. I'll roll.
Also Culture isn't always the skin colour of the people. It's the music, the traditions, the clothes, the sports.
It’s not racism.
Please everyone keep talking about it and keep signing the petition !!!!!
the petition isnt going to do anything youre just wasting your time
When they made little mermaid black
“This is fiction”
Same argument applies here
Double standards 😢
Well, little mermaid's Ariel was already an established character long ago before her character got race-swapped. If anything, it is a lazy lousy disney move as they could've just made another disney princess of color but it takes creativity (which Disney no longer possesses) to make one.
Upcoming genshin characters have just been created carrying their own brand new set of aesthetics and were not a race-swap of an existing character.
@@どーくん-j2zNo, even worse. The Little Mermaid is based on a Danish fairytale, so they are literally changing the skincolor of an existing character that is from a movie that itself is based on a fairytale (I don't think it's a 1-1, but definitely moreso based on than inspired, especially since the name is the same). For Genshin, they are new characters who are simply named AFTER certain characters, but people get mad because they don't look like whoever they were named after... But the thing is, there are TONS of popular real life names that are named after characters from religions, mythologies, etc... But I don't see people complaining about those, however the MOMENT it's in a fictinal setting, then characters suddenly need to be accurate to whoever they're named after. It'd be one thing if they actually were said characters, but they aren't... They're merely named after them.
Although, this is all just my opinion. Anyone is obviously free to disagree (I just ask that anyone who does disagree, at least tries to stay respectful and civil. I wish I didn't have to add this part, but the internet is... the internet)
@@riskyworks Yes. I am literally named after a Greek deity and I am Asian af. Should my parents have to be cancelled in social media now? 😅🤣
Idk man I kinda lost my interest in the game.
Hoyo doesn't care much about skin, they more care about money. But i not surprise if western player yapping too much. Hoyo own by china they more care about beautiful character base their own money will get. You now marketing is really harsh.
i don't care.
my mental hasn't infected with DEI virus.
so... I'm cool with character they're showing.
U might not care but ur opinion is a minority out of the majority
@@lowkeychains money spoke louder than words.
if majority really piss off, their stop support the game and GI revenue will dropped, hard.
we'll see soon enough.
@@lowkeychains Lol Nope the majority don't give a sh*t about being woke in a fantasy game lol
How is it DEI if the issue here is non-existent culture being disrespected ?
Just another buzzword that lost its meaning , the anti-sjw crowd is just as braindead in 2024 .
@@lowkeychainsLook at the reveal trailer and see the like to dislike ratio. Overwgelming majority does not care. Twitter just makes everything way bigger than it is.
Nobody cares
A lot of people care actually 😂
Ya the minority on twitter. The majority do in fact not care.
Genshin players live in a massive delulu 🤡
And also why are we blame them for being white .💀 lmao 🤣
I can’t believe how much Kazahana loves miHoYo.😂
idrc i just wanna explore the area and find the lore and get primos 🤤🤤
Everyone can cry as much as they want but Hoyo wont care, anything that doesn't involve them losing money is simply not a concern for them.
If people really want to have their opinions heard they've gotta hit where it hurts, boycott Genshin and stop spending on the game, let CN carry the revenue load.
But we all know that ain't happening lmao. Everyone would be like raging right now but would spend and pull anyways when the Natlan characters come out. Stupid is a non-curable disease in gacha gaming 🤣
They still yapping while spend on gacha, kind a funny to me.
Exactly they keep getting away with this type of stuff cause they’re making bank from it and people are treating them as if they’re not a billion dollar company. At least do something about it if you’re gonna complain
Idc of people canceling Hoyoverse for this.. Natlan bout to be lit asf
Does it illegal ?
I'm not against those representations. But I hope they understand that these are works of fiction, they don't need to be entirely accurate. . . . People these day always focus on characters' skin color more than personality and background . .
Then i suppose you would be ok if every Mondstat or liyue characters were of a Darker skin tone .
I know for a fact that Chinese players wouldn't be , so why act like this defense is good ?
Valid yes ? But in practicality, Chinese fanbase would never be ok with this and they'd be right .
There is little cultural German display in Mondstadt besides some names and a vague representation of German clothing. I see no offended German, if any, they are happy that there is SOMETHING of theirs in the game. I see no Polish angry that they are not represented, of Czech or Romanian, all those EU countries. Point being, you DONT need to be included just because. It's their artistic choice and you are free to leave if you dislike it. I find it both funny and appaling
It's just a game male power lookin' dud.
Don't be racist guys they have black people in there to if you REALLY play the game. And also it china game y'all should know what they been cooking there 😂😂😂😂
Thank you for speaking up. I really hope other cc talk about this issue on RUclips because majority of the RUclips genshin community is ignorant about this topic.
I don't want pitch black characters in game😂
Fine don’t use black African mythologies then 🤷🏾♂️
@@LionClanChief bruh it's a game the characters wanna be good looking not pitch black
@@HolyMcow Again if that’s the case avoid African cultures and mythical beings! End of story!
@@LionClanChief why. Inspired doesn't mean they copy.
There is no complaints when avatar released. It's only prblm when in the case of white.
@@HolyMcow why take inspiration in cultures and races you don’t respect? You folks were up in arms about Ac Shadows being “appropriation and misrepresenting Japanese culture” now you’re being told they should do this for other cultures you’re trying to justify appropriation. Absolutely pathetic.
The 1 percent
The thing is, Mihoyo is losing trust. Starting with issues within game mechanics and quality-of-life changes that were desperately wanted by players for years and only provided this year after (alleged) competition. They were asked over and over again to improve their game, but they either didn't or applied criticism to Honkai instead. And again, it seemed to take ANOTHER GAME (honestly, much better mechanics, gacha system, and quality of life all around) for them to make these changes.
Then there is this issue.
Mihoyo isn't known for valuing its player base. Knowing it wants to reach out globally but is unwilling to realise that the blatant colourism they have shown isn't tolerated outside of CN is just another nail in the coffin. The fact they are unwilling to expand their worldview (or at least make consideration of it) at the request of their audience and just write off the concerns with "it's fiction we don't have to cater to you because we don't want to" is just disappointingly in character for them.
I personally see this as a tired fanbase coming to terms with the fact their concerns and criticisms aren't actually valued by Hoyoverse, obviously some more than others.
If they want to fix this they need to make an effort to value their player base and address these criticisms maturely and openly. People only tolerate bullshit for so long after all.
Your first paragraph is correct but...
About race. As a matter of fact i think even outside of CN not a lot of GI players care about such issues and going to continue paying money to Hoyoverse, most of them just play the game. And as a company that is focused on entertainment industry (The industry that is 100% about profif) they care most about revenue, not race representation. Even if miracously speaking everyone who cares about this issue drops the game and stops paying Mihoyo a dime (which i still highly doubt) , can we really say they're gonna feel it? Since the majority of their revenue comes from average players that don't care about colourism and just like the designs? The good ol' pay with your wallet.
There is a chance that they add endgame content and mechanics peoole keep asking about after they see hsr success. But fixing colourism? I just dont see that happening since minority of players care about it.
@@NoOne-fu2qt Absolutely right. This just feels like another notch in the ongoing pattern of not valuing their player base to me. No change will happen, they have already said their piece and they know they will continue to make money. As I said it took them years to fix game-based issues, things that risk losing players much more than this. But in the end, thinking they will change this is delusional. My opinion at the end of the day is just go play an indie game if this really affects how you see the company.
It's just sad that in the grand year of 2024, colourism is still an issue that is either uncared for or is taken lightly.
(Edit: Quick to add I said 'tolerated', so in this context I'm saying outside of CN it is much more likely for backlash to happen than with just a CN audience alone.)
你甚至连hoyoverse是mihoyo的国际分公司都搞不清楚就来评论这么多字。
你觉得“overse”能有自主决定什么角色的权利？他们甚至都被赶出总部上海 被调到国外去 大部分员工也不是中国人 他们唯一的作用是“翻译 宣传 本土化”
我就在中国本部的mihoyo公司实习过 我可以很明确的告诉你 你们所谓的“overse”公司连独立汇报舆论情况的资格都没有 都得由外务部（同样是总部事业部门）审核了才能汇报。
外国哪怕闹翻天 对总部来说 都可以当听不见。
@@wenhaoben2536 So the only issue with my comment is saying Hoyoverse instead of Mihoyo then? Thanks for the correction.
You see, even chinese players, who are so notorious for being so ignorant about representation and racial issues, found those characters designs strange. For a region taking direct inspiration from pre-colonial Latin America and Africa, those characters are way too pale.
Does it batter? It’s their own fictional world and they can take inspiration from anything from real life into their games. It doesn’t have to be 100% accurate since it’s their world with their own culture.
Ororon in Genshin Impact have cat or dog ears. So i don't have a problem with his skin color
Get filtered 😂
I really hope they don't change anything.