I think Dean is able to be so chill around Rory because he sees her as a person without any free will and was stolen by Jess. However, she wasn’t. She knew every step she took towards Jess, away from Dean.
I know you're focusing on the main characters, but if you ever want to I'd love videos on Lane or Sookie or Paris. I feel like they have a lot to dig in to. I also just love their arcs.
Also Jess is basically a legacy member of town with his mom and Luke being from that town. Not to mention if anyone could say "this is my town" it's Rory and she chose to be with Jess so there ya go.
As we zoom towards October and all its Halloween enjoyment, I sure wish you'd take on the 10-part Netflix series, "The Haunting of Hill House". There is so much therapy juiciness there for you to devour, with the topics of grief, trauma, regret, and in the end, hope and healing. It would be a joy to see you do this!
The things you say about Dean are very interesting! You seem to really like him, which I find interesting. As a woman who has interacted with my fair share of “nice guys”, I have a different opinion. I feel like he lacks emotional intelligence, empathy, and self awareness. Not to mention that he got married for all the wrong reasons. He seems very afraid to be alone to me, and he is so entitled.
I shit-talk people while fighting them deliberately to enrage them; people make stupid decisions and wear themselves out faster when they're angry and pumped up full of adrenaline. That rage in Dean would do half the job of whooping his ass for me; all I'd hafta do is a little sidestep redirect and watch him bust his hand to pieces against the brick wall behind me lol. As Jackie Chan once said, "When fighting angry blind men, best to just stay out of the way." Never fight angry. 😝
@@Miss_Michaelz haha yeah maybe! Could work in the reverse, too, though. I know when I'm pissed as hell that's when I am known to make people cry and can still think pretty logically and strategically
As a guy when I was younger I remember being this way when I had breakup happened via cheating, it was all about making the person feel terrible for their decision, when in reality I wanted the person to feel the pain I was feeling, and I honestly regret it, that energy needs to be put into yourself and what you contribute to what happened instead of hyper focused on how you were wronged, move on try to be better. I wish I was able to have a conversation like this when I look back, because her answer to being friends again was for me to get over it. I honestly just wanted to know the why of the cheating and ownership of her actions, and that closure she wouldn't give me and for me I had to accept she wasn't going to either and I felt it was a power trip because she knew I wanted to know and wouldn't tell me and that was why I eventually moved away.
What I find interesting is that Dean is even trying to win Rory back. I know Jess was a jerk, what else is new. But Rory is the one who kissed Jess while with Dean and harberd secret feelings for a year. I know people grow apart and change and she's young, but it doesn't make how she treated him right. If I was Dean I'd probably not want to be anywhere near Rory, not because she lost interest, but because of how she handled it. Being treated that way would probably leave me with insecurities that would follow me for a while.
It never made sense because before they broke up he was so insecure about their relationship to the point of calling 16 times before she got home from school. I never understood why he’d want to get back together with her.
I always thought he never actually really wanted her back. He was just trying to prove he could for his ego or whatever. Maybe he wants to revenge dump her. It could also explain why he gave up and went with Lindsay so quickly
From a writing perspective - they were keeping it open in case they could write Rory and Dean getting back together into the plot. From a teenage romance perspective - Dean is "my Dean" so they always love each other and gravitate towards each other.
Streetfight; Jess would win. He knows the dirty way of fighting but to be honest, I can't classify Dean if he's really in jealousy-rage-mode. But I still think Dean and Rory had to break up so both can take the final step out of "childhood/adolescence".
Mm since Dean is in jealousy-rage-mode and being bigger I'd give it to him. I get that Jess wouldn't probably hold back either but Dean has all that pent up rage going for him
Dean is also from Chicago. So, it could be quite a fight as you will see. Dont underestimate Dean, even though Jess is street smart. Dean is having a hard time letting go of what happened and wants to even the score of disrespect from Jess and goes beyond that.
I've always been of the opinion that Dean is very toxic and wasn't a good boyfriend. He was controlling, overbearing (he called her OVER 20 TIMES A DAY sometimes for Christ's sake!!!) he was obsessive and if Rory didn't do what he wanted, he lost his cool. I've dated Deans before. They aren't good. Jess isn't great either by the way, but I'm so freaking sick of people saying how great Dean is. He is creepy and gives me "I'll beat you up vibes".
First time Dean and Jess met, Dean tried to break up a fight Jess was in, to try to help, and Jess took a swing at him. Jess is FAR from a saint. Are we really going to ignore what happened at a certain party? Jess is toxic!
@@Nikki-oe7grJess is also toxic, but their point is that people hardly ever point out how toxic dean was. People pick him as Rory’s good boyfriend, but he also sucked lol
if rory didnt do what he wanted??? the guy who went to the 16th ball with her, who would sit on a step 4 hours while she looked at books? when did he get mad? the day she went to build a house on a weekend after not seeing her the whole week? well, yes. teenagers get mad about their gf/bf not making time for them. sue him also, mr Jess stood her up right as they started dating. told her he would call her and never did. she stayed at home the whole evening waiting for his call and finally at something like 10 or 11 he decided he was bored i guess and went to pick her up, and like an idiot she went with him. like, eww
@@Nikki-oe7grJess was toxic as a teen and you’re not wrong. But Dean threw that first punch, in fact chased him down to do so. And he didn’t know what happened prior. He used his first opportunity to physically attack.
Where Dean lost me was when he wanted the 50s housewife thing and was angry that Rory didn’t say “i love you” back. What lost me with Jess, at this stage was him being broody, forcing himself on her, and just not communicating with her. Rory had her toxic traits with both of them. I just don’t want Jono to ignore the arc of Jess because I feel people only focus on Jess at this one stage of his life. While he did not experience some change with Rori, he did show it with Luke and getting a job and visited his father to figure some things out and get closure. This is why I am a Jess fan. I feel Dean went downhill. Him getting married early, treating his wife like crap, and cheating with Rori. Did the writers have to write either character this way? No. But appreciate how they show flawed characters. Some people go the wrong path and some don’t.
There's so many things you could dislike about Dean, but I'm never going to hold the whole "50s perfect sitcom families seem nice" against a 16 year old boy in 2000. So. Sure there's the whole Lindsey/Dean saga and I think Dean's worst scene is one he has with Lindsey in S5, but I'm not even sure we can put the whole thing at his door when Lindsey's mother seemed to be encouraging the whole thing. I really dislike that storyline tbh.
He never said he wanted Rory to be that. He said thats what his mom did for his family and it would be nice to have a wife like that and there is nothing wrong with that, being a housewife is just as admirable as any other choice
@@Fan_Girl-xd8wy maybe it was just the way he said it and the way the episode was written for Rori to just let go of that belief and dress up like a 50s house wife and made him dinner. And I think the way he acted with Lindsey just rubbed me the wrong way because she was trying to be what he wanted which was a stay at home wife who made him dinner. I don’t know. My interpretation is different from yours. And that’s ok.
@@Fan_Girl-xd8wyThe problem being that it’s exactly what he did with Lindsey. He yelled at Rory because she thought it was a mistake to marry so young, and he was pissed Rory, “wasn’t happy for him.” *after marriage* Lindsey turned into a stay-at-home wife, and he left college to work more so they could buy a townhouse.
Dean should be more upset with Rory than with Jess. She was the one, whom he was in a relationship with. And even though she apologised, I don’t understand why he would want her back after all that.
I'm not especially interested in the "who would win in a fight" question. But I am waiting on the edge of my seat to see what Jono says about Lane's party. 👀
I went from a relationship back to a friendship once. We realised that weren't as into each other as we thought we were and were dating more because everyone saw us together as friends and said we'd be good together. We decided to drop the romantic stuff and just go back to how we were before. Another friend recently told me that it took them 2 weeks to notice we had broken up because how we treated each other never really changed throughout the entire processes from friends to dating and back to friends.
To be clear, I think most of us think "Dean isn't great & Jess is wonderful" because we already know how they mature. Dean gets worse in ways as they get older but Jess really comes a long way!
@@voyance4elle Those two moments are top tier. There's also one from Rory when she goes back and looks at her granpa at his desk which made me cry so bad!
Yeah, my boyfriend and I broke up this last Thursday night and it’s been extremely difficult. I know it was the right decision for both of us, we just can’t give each other what the other needs right now but damn I miss him. You go from being in communication with someone all day, every day, being excited to tell them things or hear about their day to silence. We both agreed that for now, we need space to grieve the relationship and what could have been if we met each other at the right time in our lives but I miss him as a friend just as much as a partner. Breakups are so hard and I hope I handle it better than both Jess and Dean lmao Then again I’m 30 so I have an advantage over them from lots of experience with this sort of thing 😂
I definitely put the blame solely on the person in a relationship in the case of cheating. If Rory was happy with Dean, and wanted to be with Dean, then Jess could have flirted and pursued her all he wanted and it wouldn’t have mattered. She wanted Jess, had feelings for Jess, and she didn’t have those feelings for Dean anymore, so it worked because she wanted it to. It just sucks that she was too immature and inexperienced to know how to handle it, and that she ended up hurting Dean that much more by not being honest about what she was feeling and who she wanted to be with. First love is rarely easy nor painless, and we sadly often have to learn many things the hard way, and that is definitely the case for both Rory and Dean 😅
I really wish you had commented on the scene of Rory frantically throwing every Dean item in her home away, while Lorelei keeps it saying it will be important later on
It was interesting watching this episode and the episode where you (rightly) pointed out a lot of Jess's actions-driven-of-ignorance-and-insecurity right after one another. I do think you are much harder on Jess than on Dean, and I find that interesting. In this episode, I feel like there is a lot of "Hm, Dean didn't handle this super well," and in the other episode it was "But, just because you haven't been taught well how to love, doesn't excuse problematic behavior." Both of those things are true, but yiur tone difference shows your pretty clear preference. In reality, both of these guys are being manipulative jerks at this point in the story line. I think the thing that always rubbed me wrong about Dean is that he *did* know better--he comes from a loving home with security, etc. from all we know--but he was still controlling. Sometimes to the point of being kind of scary. While Jess was absolutely a jerk (especially the line about "that was when I was trying to win you"--GROSS), he did change for the better as he felt more secure in Rory's (and Luke's) love. But I always felt Dean wanted Rory to be who he thought she should be instead of really seeing her and loving her for who she actually was.
Honestly i dont think dean shouldn’t of trumped Rory like that or treated jess like that besides there hatred though each other but i see your point here over all great work and love gilmore girls, i hope they makw more gilmore girls in the latest future love it
This video has some pretty good messages in it. On the one hand I have my dad, who chose to be upset at my mum when she divorced him when I was five (so nearly 20 years ago) he's still petty about it but my mum just knew the relationship wouldn't work and that some separation would be best for his relationship with me as I have autism (aspergers) and ADHD, and he would argue with me a lot and I'd get really upset. She didn't want me to come to hate him. On the other hand, there's my mum's current partner, who still treats his exes daughter like she's family and will help her out if she needs it.
One thing that I’m surprised no one seems to mention is that Rory even wanting to go to Harvard in the first place- supposedly since she was in the single digits- was the result of Lorelei instilling in her daughter the opposite of what her parents value. Harvard and Yale are rival schools, and even growing up in the NE, for a TODDLER or PRESCHOOL age child to aspire to anything other than, I dunno, riding a two wheeler can only be the result of parental influence. The way in which basically everything Lorelei does being in service of saying screw you to her folks is so cringey.
Ok, not saying Dean was the best boyfriend, and Dean was wronged by Rory, for sure. But Dean wronged himself by having such little self-respect. I firmly believe that Dean should have pulled back from Rory after the Basket Episode. He clearly expressed how uncomfortable it made him and Rory did not care/made lame excuses. Dating Rule #1: Never beg someone to be with you. I would have respected him so much more if he broke up with Rory much sooner and moved on…just maybe don’t move on by getting married at 19.
Jono, I think the way you characterize Jess is exactly the way all the Stars Hollow townspeople do. They’ve decided he’s a non-starter and so they see him through a negative lens. He never gets a fair shake to better himself because everyone assumes he’s the problem, like how he knows even if Dean hits him he will be at fault. Put aside the fact that 17 year olds are 17. Jess is an abused kid living with an extended family member. He is pushing boundaries because no one has ever stayed or wanted him. He’s daring them to care about him. My heart breaks for him every time I watch this show. I have grace for all the kids. They’re learning. But it can be frustrating sometimes that you sound like the people in Stars Hollow. You don’t have to want him with Rory, I think many of us agree at this stage he hasn’t done enough healing to be a good partner, but if Rory and Dean are just kids…so is Jess.
I would say it's entirely inappropriate given the circumstances. Rory is a cheater. She was having an emotional affair which became a physical affair when she actually kissed Jess. It doesn't matter if you apologize you have proven yourself to be unworthy of trust. Jess is validly worried about because he knows he's with her after an affair, so obviously she's capable of it. She's not actually showing accountability because she meets up with her ex alone. Red Flag (double because she's a cheater). Dean is hopeful he can't steal Rory back. Jess knows if he was able to do it then another guy will also be able to do it. Especially, a guy she was already attracted to. If you have cheated you owe it to your partner to hold yourself to more stringent rules including past relationships.
I’ve watched this show since I was a little girl and watch it all the way through every fall. Because of this I could be overly critical, but knowing what I know in later seasons, I can easily see Dean becoming very abusive under the right circumstances. Jess is out of control and a mess, but seems like he knows his limits. He’s ultimately out to hurt himself, doesn’t have much of a care to hurt someone else. Dean seems pinned up and when unleashed, would throw limits out the door. He would be vengeful.
Yeah. The idea of future Dean if him and Rory had stayed together and she travels the world reporting…. He couldn’t handle that and would be made to feel guilty for leaving him whenever she got an assignment. I know how her future plays out, but I’m just giving an example and also don’t want to spoil it for Jono
"Dean loses a few points" - really??? This was a total red flag 🚩 trying to start a fight, wanting physical violence? You're soooo measuring with double standards when it comes to Dean and Jess.
I can relate to what Lorelai told Dean, about not breaking up with him, just because Rory did. I told my (former) brother-in-law something similar. And I was evidently NOT the only one in the family to say that to him!
About Jess v. Dean...you haven't finished S3 yet, have you? For me, it comes down to the head space Jess is in at the time. If he's upset, I think Dean wins. Sheer height and shoulder width advantage. If Jess is more or less clear-headed (like I'd say he was in the scene you showed), I think Jess wins. Jess is smarter than Dean (as he shows here), and so I think Jess would be able to conserve his energy (let Dean attack first) and dodge and evade until he could take him down. But this is my main problem with Dean...or, rather, the writing of him: He is constantly dumbed down to make Rory's other boyfriends (Jess and [spoiler]) look better. Like, Dean was originally from Chicago (big city) and wanting Rory to read Hunter Thompson, which isn't something most ordinary teenage boys do. He even made it through Anna Karenina. I was an English major who can sit down and plough through Austen and Hardy and Dostoevsky, but even I couldn't get through Tolstoy. To make Jess look better, the writers make Dean much more of, you know, a small-town guy who wouldn't need more than an associate's degree to get a middle management job in construction.
Okay, I got be real here… Points for strategy? Really, Jono? I mean, then what about Jess’ points for strategy for buying that basket? I gotta wish you good luck for season 4! Being really honest here, I’m not buying anything Dean’s saying or doing at all. The way he’s acting towards Jess? That’s his true self. He’s aggressive and he’s angry. The only reason he’s not mad at Rory and accepted her apology is because he wants her back so bad and that also shows of a bit of his lack of self respect again… He’s trying to be that “Nice Guy” and frame Jess while in reality he’s being manipulative, trying to reconnect with Rory (TALKING ABOUT COLLEGE?!) as a friend with second intentions in his mind already and that’s absolutely disgusting, at least we can say Jess was honest about being a jerk and wanting to be with Rory! We know very well what was his opinion and thoughts about college, about future and about Rory’s choice and picking specifically this topic, saying he changed his mind because of her, her “Harvard talk” and the books she “pushed on him” (if I’m not wrong he already liked reading from the first season, right?) just to make it seem like… Idk “wow, how sweet and good they were for each other, he really listened to her”? Bullshit. Red Flag. A HUGE one. Jess wears a mask for society, Dean is wearing a mask for Rory. There’s absolutely nothing from this point on that could make me like Dean. He just gets worse and worse from here. And to answer the question, as Rocky’s son I hope Jess would hire someone to smash Dean’s face against concrete and see if that would make that fake innocent mask fall without having to waist a sweat with that piece of garbage. Also “tHiS iS mY tOwN”???? Boy, you were the new kid just a few months before Jess arrived, what are you talking about?! He makes me cringe 😂
I dated a Dean, actually, my first boyfriend was a Dean and he was super toxic but everyone loved him and thought he was perfect. My mom used to lament that we could stay friends(15 years later and I'm married to someone else) until I sat her down and told about all the garbage she didn't know about. Young Jess sucks but Dean is no prize either.
Dean saying "this is my town!" always cracks me up because like, dude, what do you mean? You moved here from Chocago like a two years ago. I never understood why the writters tried to make Dean this small town guy when he spent most of his life in a very large city.
Jess may be the son of Rocky Balboa, but Dean fights and kills demons for a living. Now, if we focus on the characters, Jess is streetwise and Dean is only angry. So I think, physically, Jess wins.
@Narra0002 I disagree...if that's what you think, then, you're not a TRUE GG fan! Sure, there are some parts that get "worse", but there are also parts that are great!
All shows have their flaws. But it's a show with a lot of merits and far better storytelling and characterizations than we get on most shows these days. It's a matter of taste. I'm not a fan of S6/S7, but I can't say there's nothing of value in those seasons either.
Since you mentioned Jess went on to be Rocky's son, you have to remember that Dean went to be a Winchester hunting and killing monsters and demons and even a couple angels........ I would have to say that Dean would destroy Jess
Dean is just giving Jess a taste of his own medicine, and I'm totally fine with it. The vampires don't deserve as much heat as Jess. As for who would win in a fight, assuming no one stops the fight, Dean would win, if he had a strong enough motivation to clean Jess's clock, like Jess, in some way, hurting Rory. Even though there's reason to be ticked at Rory for mooning over Jess while they were together, that would not have happened if Jess hadn't inserted himself into her life, actively trying to get her, even before she was attracted to him. So, Jess treating Rory bad, would get Dean fired up enough to pound him.
I once read about someone whom slept with her ex when he picked up things at her place and his new girlfriend was waiting outside in a car. Someone told me that probably everyone has. That would be drama in a TV-show, and it would be fun to see you therapize it.
“Who’d win in a fight? One of them goes on to play Rocky Balboa’s son (my dumbass already thought Milo was Stallone’s son) and one of them fights vampires.” I don’t know man, I just want them to save the world from supernatural villains and win boxing titles together. 🎉❤. Rory who? (I know but you know what I mean. Rory’s cool but in some alternative universe, I feel like all her boyfriends could have been unlikely but good friends if they set their differences aside).
Jess would totally wipe the floor with Dean. Jess is basically from the streets, being raised by a weird mom, doing his own thing.. Dean is just doing exactly what Jess did. Jess befriended Rory, and ended up with Rory.. Dean knows that was a smart way to get Rory.. So yes, I think that is his whole plan.
I'm loving the GG series! I've also been watching reruns of the first seasons of Greys Anatomy, and the more I watch the more I'm thinking McDreamy is actually a really toxic guy, but he's portrayed to be so romantic??? Would be super curious to hear your take on the relationship between him and Meredith because they were always promoted as the best couple of the series!
All I can think about is when Rory and Jess wrecked the car Dean gave her. Everyone in town insisted on blaming Jess solely for what happened, and Rory fought against that saying she had equal blame. I think Dean (though having been hurt by Rory) also sees her through this lens of, “it wasn’t her fault.” The feelings she still has for Dean cloud the sense of justice she felt before. Just my thoughts. Anyway, love your channel!!
My maternal granparents divorced before I was even born. My grandmother remarried. But it had been a divorce on good terms. My biological grandfather was still invited and participating in all the family events. He was still part of it all. Besides, both men had been friends since young years, before meeting my granny, and both had developped a crush on her since she started working as a waitress in their favourite bar with skittle alley. Definitely a somewhat weird situation I guess. (Edit 11:00 I don't know about a possible "transition" phase between my biological grandparents. If there was one at at and how they handled it. As far as my memories go back, they were at good terms) Also, I did not really get it until at some point in primary shool. In fact, I never knew my paternal grandparents. They died before my birth. So I had 2 grandfathers, like most of my peers, and thought nothing of it. Until I got it. And that even as there was a family photo of my granny and step-gramps wedding were I was on the arms of my father. I was under 3. Just wanted to share. My own parents divorce on the other hand was very very ugly. And my father especially ist still full of hatred and bitterness for my mother. Who died last november at almost 62 only. He is so happy about that it's disgusting.
They all lose :P That is my answer. When violence ensues (no matter if it's physical, psychological, emotional or spiritual or social or even environmental) all involved lose!!
Jess, he's from the streets and he already emotionally fights dirty. Now if Rory's watching, Jess loses because he cares what she thinks, but if not, Deans toast.
Street fight: Jess Ring fight: Dean Other universes: "Dean" (Sam) would kick his ass just from everything he learned in Supernatural alone. Even if Jess/Robert (Rocky's son) magically did win, then SPN Dean would just come back and kill Jess/Robert anyway lol. Edit: I forgot that they actually do fight later on 🤣. No results, and Jess was totally sucker punched by Dean, though. I stand by my comment lol.
@Nikki-oe7gr I don't remember the reason why he punched him, only that he did. I wouldn't say it was that clear, though. I rewatched just the fight scene, and it looked like they were fairly matched 🤷♀️. I could be wrong, though.
After Gilmore girls is done would you ever consider watching and reacting to Heartland? The show explores trauma, young relationships and growing up in a lot of ways and it would be impactful to hear your thoughts on it!
I have a question about losing tangential relationships due to death. My step-mom has not really spoken to me or my sister at all since my father’s passing almost 10 years ago. There’s the occasional Christmas and birthday card but that’s about it. Her children, my step-siblings with whom we used to be fairly close, again have not reached out once since his funeral, how should I take that? I want to reconnect with them, but if that’s not something they want then I do want to respect that. We are all adults now, and were at the time of his passing, so I just don’t know how to perceive their behavior towards me and my sister. It felt like an additional loss after my father’s death
I once asked my husband who he thought would have won a fight between Dean and Jess and he said Jess. When I asked why, he said that Peter Petrelli can have any powers he wants and Sam was just a demon fighter. The way I cackled. I also argued that Sam also had that gun with bullets that could kill anything but there was no swaying him 🤣
Possibly. I think it could have gone that way. The only thing is there is at least one scene later that paints Dean in a light that isn't just "dumb teenage" stuff and does have more serious implications. And Jess, fortunately. Is able to dig deep enough later to not go down that route. Oh, he could have, but clearly there was something in him that made him decide he did not want to be that person. I could easily imagine Jess playing psychological mind games with his partners if he leaned into his worst instincts as he got older though. As far as we know Dean doesn't evolve into anything worse than his worst scene(OK. I'm just going to say it even though I don't want to spoil). SPOILER: The scenes within Lindsey at the start of S5. Her standing over him all dressed up and looking nervous until she sees she cooked the roast correctly, and he just looks miserable the entire time. Imo the framing of that scene is far more unsettling than the show probably intended at the time, and as an adult it gives me the heeby-jeebies in a way it didn't as much as a teenager. So when people say Dean gives off potential DV vibes, it's not a completely off the rails impression based on a few things. But you know, he never shows a hint of physically aggression towards any women. Though I don't think any male character in this show does, as in coming towards them in a threatening way, or physically grabbing them in an argument ect. Not that kinda show.
@@eb7446totally agree and that season all of Dean’s scenes at home gave me that vibe. Of course my danger sensors actually perked up the first season at the Chilton Dance when he told Tristan to leave him alone because “I’ll m-rder you!” as he pushed him away. Seemed too aggressive and the character never sat right with me after that scene.
Honestly, that scene at the dance never, ever bothered me the dozens of times I watched this as a teen. It always came across to me as a guy who would passionately defend and protect you, when I watched this then. I can see that maybe that's not the most ideal take away from that. And I want to give him some grace here and say, he was a teenager who felt he had the right to defend himself by any means against these rich kids who would treat him as inferior, as less worthy. Though, he was never in any physical danger so maybe his reaction was out of proportion. It's a reaction I can understand at least. It should be something that needs to be paid attention to, imo ideally by a trusted adult who could address these things. This is where I feel kinda justified in calling out the bias from this channel(which I think is a great channel btw) because what if Jess had threatened someone with "I'll kill you"? Would it be taken more seriously? With Dean, I get seeing this interaction as an angry teenage boy who reached his limits vs a boy with more privilege acting like an asshole. Because it is that, but it's a worthwhile thing to discuss....why you condemn one character more easily than another.
@@voyance4elle He is the only person not biased, Jess SUCKED, he was a stalker, he harrassed Dean, he was too pushy with Rory and if he was ugly, his whole arc would have been a Criminal Minds episode, he was SO CREEPY, yet Jess stans choose to ignore it just because he is cute. Dean is just a dude that got mistreated by his girlfriend and was acting accordingly. The only thing Dean did wrong was the whole Lindsey thing, that was unforgivable
Luke pushed Jess into a lake without trouble, I think Dean would be fine against Jess. But I do think in a boxing match, they'd both make it 12 rounds trying to prove how tough they are. Dean has a lot of anger and just wait a few more episodes when he starts working construction. He will have the added strength.
I think Dean would have more passion about it, because he's so angry so he would go all in, but just has probably been in a few fights unlike Dean and would know how to Bob & weave.... probably putting him in headlock
Based on the quips Jono makes, it seems he’s plenty familiar with Supernatural 😅 but naturally you’re right, that series is Full of potentially great Mended Light content
I always thought dean was like this with her post breakup because he was doing the same thing as Jess but the "right" way and I say that with sarcasm because scheming to ruin someones relationship isn't ever a good thing. But he sees himself as like a savior hes gonna save her from the damage Jess with inflict where as Jess saw her as someone to corrupt and than someone to win and a prize to have. I think both of the guys are very toxic. Do I think Rory isn't to blame absolutely not because while she started hanging out with Jess to help Luke and from a place of love she was being warned by ALL of her loved ones that he wasn't a good thing and he wasn't doing good things even when being "nice" to her. He was playing a part to get her not actually being genuine with her. I think everyone in this situation just needs to step back and chill out. Which happens later but that doesn't end any better until they stop talking all together. I will say though Rory was being emotionally manipulated by both of them so while she does make choices and she is her own person. She 100 % was being manipulated on both ends by both of them
Jess didn't know how to deal with having a girlfriend. He didn't change his strategy that much from when he dated Shane. Dean behaved toward Lindsay much the same way he behaved towards Rory. Not that the girls are perfect, but maybe the boys could treat them like themselves instead of like the concept of women? Like Luke does with Lorelai, and Jess eventually does with Rory.
I would say Dean would win because we see his physical capabilities, whereas Jess is speculative. I feel like that because Jess has learned how to talk to get out of tough street situations he has been in very few if any fights because he's smart enough to know he'll most likely lose
I find Rory’s ideas around college and success narrow minded. Community college is still an education. That’s just as admirable as a four year institution. She was so quick to judge Dean for putting school on hold and placed blame on his wife Lindsey. That’s just life. Sh*t happens. There’s nothing wrong with encouraging others to pursue more for themselves, but Rory viewed college as an all or nothing solution. Sometimes I wondered if Rory pushed the idea of college on Dean because she was concerned of his image as her boyfriend. (Perhaps I’m projecting here.)
Formal boxing? Probably Dean. He's athletic, tall, does physical labour. Though, Jess would make him work for it. Street rules? Jess, totally. Jess has probably been in way more fights than Dean growing up rough in New York. Also LOL at Dean "This is my town" - he's lived there like 1 year longer than Jess.
It is easy for Lorelai to be more mature since she is in her 30s and Dean, Jess and Rory are teenagers. I would understand if Dean would get back with Rory just to hurt hers and Jess feelings in return for last time.
In the extended Jess-Dean universe, sure Dean is tall, and becomes a demon hunter straight out of law school. But then Jess could just absorb Dean's powers, and he probably knows boxing. Hard to bet on this one, darn.
I like Jess but I think Dean could definitely take him in a fight, he’s so big and has the reach and also Dean got some anger issues. As for Dean taking the breakup out on Jess and not Rory, I get it because Jess did instigate him a lot while he was pursuing Rory, however I do feel Dean should realize that in the end it was Rory who was in the relationship with him and it was her who betrayed that and who ultimately hurt him. I do feel a lot of people tend to that tho, where they blame the 3rd party when their significant other cheats. While I do feel if the third person knows about you it doesn’t make them a great person for doing that but for all intents and purposes, they don’t owe you anything because they aren’t the ones committed to you in anyway.
I think he has a lot of anger because there was no respect from Jess when he had his relationship. Rory was a good girlfriend and she influenced him in ways I don't think many people can in his current surroundings. She definitely made her mistakes but she owned them. I think if Jess even attempted the same it would've worked if he didn't pursue her the way he did. I think if they were honest friends and he was respectful to her and lorlie and kind . If it was all about interests and intelligence and kindness I think Dean would've been hurt but accepted that transition more. Than someone straight up pursuing your girlfriend the way he did.
I'm sorry, Dean that you're the best boyfriend for Rory but when it comes to strength, Jess get you in a knockout and the reason why I'm saying that is because you, Dean are basically me we can talk all we want, but once our truth of words of protecting our friends, we can't face our own truth
I think neither would win. Both would be pretty damn hurt, because neither would just let it go and give up at any point. And ... In a way Dean is right to be angry about Jess. Not because of the break-up, that WAS Rory's doing. She could've distanced herself from Jess when she noticed she might be developing the first feelings - if she wanted this not to happen -, she could've had the guts to tell Dean, ... But Jess DID a lot of provoking before, he behaved like an arse to anyone but Rory and still Rory wouldn't want to see just how much of a jerk he was. So ... Dean has every right to be angry for all that provoking. (And no, I'm not Team Dead. I actually think all of Rory's boyfriends in the show sucked, every single one of them. Honestly, all are a good riddance in the end ...)
Again, I hate Dean, he is a hypocrite... You can say anything about Jess or any other character, but Dean is a classical disgusting "nice guy" deceiver
Dean would land a solid shot, and that would flip Jess's switch, and then it would be a blood bath. From experience, I know Jess would go somewhere in his mind and when he came back, Dean would be broken, in a pool of his own blood, and unconscious.
I feel like Dean didn’t have the emotional maturity to deal with breaking up with Rory. Or to be friends afterwards. It’s painful to watch. Jess would totally win in a fight though haha. A short pretty boy who grew up practically on the streets? He must have had to learn to fight hard and fight dirty. 😂 What makes this even more interesting is that Alexis Bledel actually dated both Jared Padalecki and Milo Ventimiglia. I would love to know how the timelines of their relationships were compared with the show relationships. 😂
I think the reason a am so against team dean is because dean has everyone fooled about being a "good" guy but there are so many situations he shows he's not a good guy at all. I guess it's the narcissistic trait he holds that I can't stand him. He's got double standards flying everywhere. Because of that I would choose Jess because although he's not perfect he doesn't hide his bad boy self. Dean a wolf in sheep's wool.
I think Dean is able to be so chill around Rory because he sees her as a person without any free will and was stolen by Jess. However, she wasn’t. She knew every step she took towards Jess, away from Dean.
I know you're focusing on the main characters, but if you ever want to I'd love videos on Lane or Sookie or Paris. I feel like they have a lot to dig in to. I also just love their arcs.
i am soooo here for a Sookie and Jaxson video they were my favorite couple in the entire series well next to lorali and luke of course😍😍😍😍😍🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Oh I can’t wait for an analysis of Lane and Zack.
Gotta laugh at Dean’s “this is my town”, he was new in town just a couple seasons ago. And Jess showed up like a year ish later
I know right like sir you just moved here like 12 months before Jess sit down
Also Jess is basically a legacy member of town with his mom and Luke being from that town. Not to mention if anyone could say "this is my town" it's Rory and she chose to be with Jess so there ya go.
As we zoom towards October and all its Halloween enjoyment, I sure wish you'd take on the 10-part Netflix series, "The Haunting of Hill House". There is so much therapy juiciness there for you to devour, with the topics of grief, trauma, regret, and in the end, hope and healing. It would be a joy to see you do this!
The things you say about Dean are very interesting! You seem to really like him, which I find interesting. As a woman who has interacted with my fair share of “nice guys”, I have a different opinion. I feel like he lacks emotional intelligence, empathy, and self awareness. Not to mention that he got married for all the wrong reasons. He seems very afraid to be alone to me, and he is so entitled.
I don't know.. I think even despite the size difference, Dean has enough anger that he would win on adrenaline alone lol
I shit-talk people while fighting them deliberately to enrage them; people make stupid decisions and wear themselves out faster when they're angry and pumped up full of adrenaline. That rage in Dean would do half the job of whooping his ass for me; all I'd hafta do is a little sidestep redirect and watch him bust his hand to pieces against the brick wall behind me lol. As Jackie Chan once said, "When fighting angry blind men, best to just stay out of the way." Never fight angry. 😝
@@Miss_Michaelz haha yeah maybe! Could work in the reverse, too, though. I know when I'm pissed as hell that's when I am known to make people cry and can still think pretty logically and strategically
Breakups with no real animosity are often the hardest, because there is a dance of 'should we be friends or should we not?......'
As a guy when I was younger I remember being this way when I had breakup happened via cheating, it was all about making the person feel terrible for their decision, when in reality I wanted the person to feel the pain I was feeling, and I honestly regret it, that energy needs to be put into yourself and what you contribute to what happened instead of hyper focused on how you were wronged, move on try to be better. I wish I was able to have a conversation like this when I look back, because her answer to being friends again was for me to get over it. I honestly just wanted to know the why of the cheating and ownership of her actions, and that closure she wouldn't give me and for me I had to accept she wasn't going to either and I felt it was a power trip because she knew I wanted to know and wouldn't tell me and that was why I eventually moved away.
What I find interesting is that Dean is even trying to win Rory back. I know Jess was a jerk, what else is new. But Rory is the one who kissed Jess while with Dean and harberd secret feelings for a year. I know people grow apart and change and she's young, but it doesn't make how she treated him right. If I was Dean I'd probably not want to be anywhere near Rory, not because she lost interest, but because of how she handled it. Being treated that way would probably leave me with insecurities that would follow me for a while.
It never made sense because before they broke up he was so insecure about their relationship to the point of calling 16 times before she got home from school. I never understood why he’d want to get back together with her.
Plus, he was the one who broke up with her so...make it make sense Dean.
I always thought he never actually really wanted her back. He was just trying to prove he could for his ego or whatever. Maybe he wants to revenge dump her. It could also explain why he gave up and went with Lindsay so quickly
From a writing perspective - they were keeping it open in case they could write Rory and Dean getting back together into the plot.
From a teenage romance perspective - Dean is "my Dean" so they always love each other and gravitate towards each other.
Streetfight; Jess would win. He knows the dirty way of fighting but to be honest, I can't classify Dean if he's really in
jealousy-rage-mode.
But I still think Dean and Rory had to break up so both can take the final step out of "childhood/adolescence".
Mm since Dean is in jealousy-rage-mode and being bigger I'd give it to him. I get that Jess wouldn't probably hold back either but Dean has all that pent up rage going for him
Dean is also from Chicago. So, it could be quite a fight as you will see. Dont underestimate Dean, even though Jess is street smart. Dean is having a hard time letting go of what happened and wants to even the score of disrespect from Jess and goes beyond that.
"BITCH I'M FROM CHICAGO" is timeless
@@talesyuki😂😂😂😂😂
@@talesyuki I feel like a physical fight between Dean and Jess would be 90% talking smack like this and only 10% chance punches.
I've always been of the opinion that Dean is very toxic and wasn't a good boyfriend. He was controlling, overbearing (he called her OVER 20 TIMES A DAY sometimes for Christ's sake!!!) he was obsessive and if Rory didn't do what he wanted, he lost his cool. I've dated Deans before. They aren't good. Jess isn't great either by the way, but I'm so freaking sick of people saying how great Dean is. He is creepy and gives me "I'll beat you up vibes".
First time Dean and Jess met, Dean tried to break up a fight Jess was in, to try to help, and Jess took a swing at him. Jess is FAR from a saint. Are we really going to ignore what happened at a certain party? Jess is toxic!
@@Nikki-oe7grJess is also toxic, but their point is that people hardly ever point out how toxic dean was. People pick him as Rory’s good boyfriend, but he also sucked lol
if rory didnt do what he wanted??? the guy who went to the 16th ball with her, who would sit on a step 4 hours while she looked at books?
when did he get mad? the day she went to build a house on a weekend after not seeing her the whole week? well, yes. teenagers get mad about their gf/bf not making time for them. sue him
also, mr Jess stood her up right as they started dating. told her he would call her and never did. she stayed at home the whole evening waiting for his call and finally at something like 10 or 11 he decided he was bored i guess and went to pick her up, and like an idiot she went with him. like, eww
@@Nikki-oe7grJess was toxic as a teen and you’re not wrong. But Dean threw that first punch, in fact chased him down to do so. And he didn’t know what happened prior. He used his first opportunity to physically attack.
I never got that vibe from Dean
Where Dean lost me was when he wanted the 50s housewife thing and was angry that Rory didn’t say “i love you” back.
What lost me with Jess, at this stage was him being broody, forcing himself on her, and just not communicating with her.
Rory had her toxic traits with both of them.
I just don’t want Jono to ignore the arc of Jess because I feel people only focus on Jess at this one stage of his life.
While he did not experience some change with Rori, he did show it with Luke and getting a job and visited his father to figure some things out and get closure. This is why I am a Jess fan.
I feel Dean went downhill. Him getting married early, treating his wife like crap, and cheating with Rori.
Did the writers have to write either character this way? No. But appreciate how they show flawed characters. Some people go the wrong path and some don’t.
There's so many things you could dislike about Dean, but I'm never going to hold the whole "50s perfect sitcom families seem nice" against a 16 year old boy in 2000. So. Sure there's the whole Lindsey/Dean saga and I think Dean's worst scene is one he has with Lindsey in S5, but I'm not even sure we can put the whole thing at his door when Lindsey's mother seemed to be encouraging the whole thing. I really dislike that storyline tbh.
He never said he wanted Rory to be that. He said thats what his mom did for his family and it would be nice to have a wife like that and there is nothing wrong with that, being a housewife is just as admirable as any other choice
@@Fan_Girl-xd8wy maybe it was just the way he said it and the way the episode was written for Rori to just let go of that belief and dress up like a 50s house wife and made him dinner.
And I think the way he acted with Lindsey just rubbed me the wrong way because she was trying to be what he wanted which was a stay at home wife who made him dinner.
I don’t know. My interpretation is different from yours. And that’s ok.
@@Fan_Girl-xd8wyThe problem being that it’s exactly what he did with Lindsey. He yelled at Rory because she thought it was a mistake to marry so young, and he was pissed Rory, “wasn’t happy for him.” *after marriage* Lindsey turned into a stay-at-home wife, and he left college to work more so they could buy a townhouse.
I really appreciate that you brought your own relationship into it and ahared that vulnerability
Dean should be more upset with Rory than with Jess. She was the one, whom he was in a relationship with. And even though she apologised, I don’t understand why he would want her back after all that.
I'm not especially interested in the "who would win in a fight" question. But I am waiting on the edge of my seat to see what Jono says about Lane's party. 👀
I went from a relationship back to a friendship once. We realised that weren't as into each other as we thought we were and were dating more because everyone saw us together as friends and said we'd be good together. We decided to drop the romantic stuff and just go back to how we were before. Another friend recently told me that it took them 2 weeks to notice we had broken up because how we treated each other never really changed throughout the entire processes from friends to dating and back to friends.
To be clear, I think most of us think "Dean isn't great & Jess is wonderful" because we already know how they mature. Dean gets worse in ways as they get older but Jess really comes a long way!
I can't wait for you to therapize the ending of the whole show and Emily and Lorelai fight in the first episode on A Year in the Life!
I am looking forward to that incredible phonecall towards the end of "a year in the life" ❤
@@voyance4elle Those two moments are top tier. There's also one from Rory when she goes back and looks at her granpa at his desk which made me cry so bad!
Yeah, my boyfriend and I broke up this last Thursday night and it’s been extremely difficult. I know it was the right decision for both of us, we just can’t give each other what the other needs right now but damn I miss him. You go from being in communication with someone all day, every day, being excited to tell them things or hear about their day to silence. We both agreed that for now, we need space to grieve the relationship and what could have been if we met each other at the right time in our lives but I miss him as a friend just as much as a partner. Breakups are so hard and I hope I handle it better than both Jess and Dean lmao Then again I’m 30 so I have an advantage over them from lots of experience with this sort of thing 😂
I definitely put the blame solely on the person in a relationship in the case of cheating. If Rory was happy with Dean, and wanted to be with Dean, then Jess could have flirted and pursued her all he wanted and it wouldn’t have mattered. She wanted Jess, had feelings for Jess, and she didn’t have those feelings for Dean anymore, so it worked because she wanted it to.
It just sucks that she was too immature and inexperienced to know how to handle it, and that she ended up hurting Dean that much more by not being honest about what she was feeling and who she wanted to be with. First love is rarely easy nor painless, and we sadly often have to learn many things the hard way, and that is definitely the case for both Rory and Dean 😅
Exactly! After all, Chad was after her the previous season but she chased him off all the time.
I really wish you had commented on the scene of Rory frantically throwing every Dean item in her home away, while Lorelei keeps it saying it will be important later on
It was interesting watching this episode and the episode where you (rightly) pointed out a lot of Jess's actions-driven-of-ignorance-and-insecurity right after one another. I do think you are much harder on Jess than on Dean, and I find that interesting.
In this episode, I feel like there is a lot of "Hm, Dean didn't handle this super well," and in the other episode it was "But, just because you haven't been taught well how to love, doesn't excuse problematic behavior." Both of those things are true, but yiur tone difference shows your pretty clear preference. In reality, both of these guys are being manipulative jerks at this point in the story line.
I think the thing that always rubbed me wrong about Dean is that he *did* know better--he comes from a loving home with security, etc. from all we know--but he was still controlling. Sometimes to the point of being kind of scary. While Jess was absolutely a jerk (especially the line about "that was when I was trying to win you"--GROSS), he did change for the better as he felt more secure in Rory's (and Luke's) love. But I always felt Dean wanted Rory to be who he thought she should be instead of really seeing her and loving her for who she actually was.
Honestly i dont think dean shouldn’t of trumped Rory like that or treated jess like that besides there hatred though each other but i see your point here over all great work and love gilmore girls, i hope they makw more gilmore girls in the latest future love it
This video has some pretty good messages in it.
On the one hand I have my dad, who chose to be upset at my mum when she divorced him when I was five (so nearly 20 years ago) he's still petty about it but my mum just knew the relationship wouldn't work and that some separation would be best for his relationship with me as
I have autism (aspergers) and ADHD, and he would argue with me a lot and I'd get really upset. She didn't want me to come to hate him.
On the other hand, there's my mum's current partner, who still treats his exes daughter like she's family and will help her out if she needs it.
😅 I've seen more chemistry between Lorelei and Dean than with Rory
You might get the answer to your who would win in a fight question very soon Jono. Patience.
One thing that I’m surprised no one seems to mention is that Rory even wanting to go to Harvard in the first place- supposedly since she was in the single digits- was the result of Lorelei instilling in her daughter the opposite of what her parents value. Harvard and Yale are rival schools, and even growing up in the NE, for a TODDLER or PRESCHOOL age child to aspire to anything other than, I dunno, riding a two wheeler can only be the result of parental influence. The way in which basically everything Lorelei does being in service of saying screw you to her folks is so cringey.
Ok, not saying Dean was the best boyfriend, and Dean was wronged by Rory, for sure. But Dean wronged himself by having such little self-respect. I firmly believe that Dean should have pulled back from Rory after the Basket Episode. He clearly expressed how uncomfortable it made him and Rory did not care/made lame excuses. Dating Rule #1: Never beg someone to be with you. I would have respected him so much more if he broke up with Rory much sooner and moved on…just maybe don’t move on by getting married at 19.
Jono, I think the way you characterize Jess is exactly the way all the Stars Hollow townspeople do. They’ve decided he’s a non-starter and so they see him through a negative lens. He never gets a fair shake to better himself because everyone assumes he’s the problem, like how he knows even if Dean hits him he will be at fault.
Put aside the fact that 17 year olds are 17. Jess is an abused kid living with an extended family member. He is pushing boundaries because no one has ever stayed or wanted him. He’s daring them to care about him. My heart breaks for him every time I watch this show.
I have grace for all the kids. They’re learning. But it can be frustrating sometimes that you sound like the people in Stars Hollow. You don’t have to want him with Rory, I think many of us agree at this stage he hasn’t done enough healing to be a good partner, but if Rory and Dean are just kids…so is Jess.
I love these so much, I loved this show!!!
I would say it's entirely inappropriate given the circumstances. Rory is a cheater. She was having an emotional affair which became a physical affair when she actually kissed Jess. It doesn't matter if you apologize you have proven yourself to be unworthy of trust. Jess is validly worried about because he knows he's with her after an affair, so obviously she's capable of it. She's not actually showing accountability because she meets up with her ex alone. Red Flag (double because she's a cheater). Dean is hopeful he can't steal Rory back. Jess knows if he was able to do it then another guy will also be able to do it. Especially, a guy she was already attracted to. If you have cheated you owe it to your partner to hold yourself to more stringent rules including past relationships.
I’ve watched this show since I was a little girl and watch it all the way through every fall. Because of this I could be overly critical, but knowing what I know in later seasons, I can easily see Dean becoming very abusive under the right circumstances. Jess is out of control and a mess, but seems like he knows his limits. He’s ultimately out to hurt himself, doesn’t have much of a care to hurt someone else. Dean seems pinned up and when unleashed, would throw limits out the door. He would be vengeful.
^^^ THIS!
Exactly. I also watched this show sooo many times ❤
Yeah. The idea of future Dean if him and Rory had stayed together and she travels the world reporting…. He couldn’t handle that and would be made to feel guilty for leaving him whenever she got an assignment. I know how her future plays out, but I’m just giving an example and also don’t want to spoil it for Jono
"Dean loses a few points" - really??? This was a total red flag 🚩 trying to start a fight, wanting physical violence? You're soooo measuring with double standards when it comes to Dean and Jess.
4:22 heck yeah he was Rocky’s son! i think that was my first exposure to Milo Ventimiglia
Jared Padalecki, Sam Winchester himself, earlier played a character named Dean? I think my brain just exploded.
Jess is only 'from the streets' by the standards of Star's Hollow, which I'm not sure really counts, lol.
I can relate to what Lorelai told Dean, about not breaking up with him, just because Rory did. I told my (former) brother-in-law something similar. And I was evidently NOT the only one in the family to say that to him!
YESS another Gilmore Girls!!!
About Jess v. Dean...you haven't finished S3 yet, have you?
For me, it comes down to the head space Jess is in at the time. If he's upset, I think Dean wins. Sheer height and shoulder width advantage. If Jess is more or less clear-headed (like I'd say he was in the scene you showed), I think Jess wins. Jess is smarter than Dean (as he shows here), and so I think Jess would be able to conserve his energy (let Dean attack first) and dodge and evade until he could take him down.
But this is my main problem with Dean...or, rather, the writing of him: He is constantly dumbed down to make Rory's other boyfriends (Jess and [spoiler]) look better. Like, Dean was originally from Chicago (big city) and wanting Rory to read Hunter Thompson, which isn't something most ordinary teenage boys do. He even made it through Anna Karenina. I was an English major who can sit down and plough through Austen and Hardy and Dostoevsky, but even I couldn't get through Tolstoy. To make Jess look better, the writers make Dean much more of, you know, a small-town guy who wouldn't need more than an associate's degree to get a middle management job in construction.
Okay, I got be real here… Points for strategy? Really, Jono? I mean, then what about Jess’ points for strategy for buying that basket? I gotta wish you good luck for season 4!
Being really honest here, I’m not buying anything Dean’s saying or doing at all. The way he’s acting towards Jess? That’s his true self. He’s aggressive and he’s angry. The only reason he’s not mad at Rory and accepted her apology is because he wants her back so bad and that also shows of a bit of his lack of self respect again…
He’s trying to be that “Nice Guy” and frame Jess while in reality he’s being manipulative, trying to reconnect with Rory (TALKING ABOUT COLLEGE?!) as a friend with second intentions in his mind already and that’s absolutely disgusting, at least we can say Jess was honest about being a jerk and wanting to be with Rory!
We know very well what was his opinion and thoughts about college, about future and about Rory’s choice and picking specifically this topic, saying he changed his mind because of her, her “Harvard talk” and the books she “pushed on him” (if I’m not wrong he already liked reading from the first season, right?) just to make it seem like… Idk “wow, how sweet and good they were for each other, he really listened to her”? Bullshit. Red Flag. A HUGE one.
Jess wears a mask for society, Dean is wearing a mask for Rory. There’s absolutely nothing from this point on that could make me like Dean. He just gets worse and worse from here.
And to answer the question, as Rocky’s son I hope Jess would hire someone to smash Dean’s face against concrete and see if that would make that fake innocent mask fall without having to waist a sweat with that piece of garbage.
Also “tHiS iS mY tOwN”???? Boy, you were the new kid just a few months before Jess arrived, what are you talking about?! He makes me cringe 😂
I dated a Dean, actually, my first boyfriend was a Dean and he was super toxic but everyone loved him and thought he was perfect. My mom used to lament that we could stay friends(15 years later and I'm married to someone else) until I sat her down and told about all the garbage she didn't know about. Young Jess sucks but Dean is no prize either.
ikr like biased much
My question is Rory worth it. She lie and cheated on him. Break up hurt but is it wise to get back together with a cheater
Dean saying "this is my town!" always cracks me up because like, dude, what do you mean? You moved here from Chocago like a two years ago. I never understood why the writters tried to make Dean this small town guy when he spent most of his life in a very large city.
Jess may be the son of Rocky Balboa, but Dean fights and kills demons for a living.
Now, if we focus on the characters, Jess is streetwise and Dean is only angry. So I think, physically, Jess wins.
I love this series about Rory, even though I don't watch Gilmore Girls😅
Good, don’t. It gets terrible
@Narra0002 I disagree...if that's what you think, then, you're not a TRUE GG fan! Sure, there are some parts that get "worse", but there are also parts that are great!
You should watch this entire series! It's just SOO good! You'll like it or..not; your choice.
It's such a great show with amazing dialogue and really funny/quirky sidecharacters 😂
All shows have their flaws. But it's a show with a lot of merits and far better storytelling and characterizations than we get on most shows these days.
It's a matter of taste. I'm not a fan of S6/S7, but I can't say there's nothing of value in those seasons either.
Since you mentioned Jess went on to be Rocky's son, you have to remember that Dean went to be a Winchester hunting and killing monsters and demons and even a couple angels........ I would have to say that Dean would destroy Jess
Please please do a video on Dean Winchester!
Dean is just giving Jess a taste of his own medicine, and I'm totally fine with it. The vampires don't deserve as much heat as Jess. As for who would win in a fight, assuming no one stops the fight, Dean would win, if he had a strong enough motivation to clean Jess's clock, like Jess, in some way, hurting Rory. Even though there's reason to be ticked at Rory for mooning over Jess while they were together, that would not have happened if Jess hadn't inserted himself into her life, actively trying to get her, even before she was attracted to him. So, Jess treating Rory bad, would get Dean fired up enough to pound him.
I once read about someone whom slept with her ex when he picked up things at her place and his new girlfriend was waiting outside in a car. Someone told me that probably everyone has. That would be drama in a TV-show, and it would be fun to see you therapize it.
“Who’d win in a fight? One of them goes on to play Rocky Balboa’s son (my dumbass already thought Milo was Stallone’s son) and one of them fights vampires.”
I don’t know man, I just want them to save the world from supernatural villains and win boxing titles together. 🎉❤. Rory who? (I know but you know what I mean. Rory’s cool but in some alternative universe, I feel like all her boyfriends could have been unlikely but good friends if they set their differences aside).
Jess would totally wipe the floor with Dean. Jess is basically from the streets, being raised by a weird mom, doing his own thing.. Dean is just doing exactly what Jess did. Jess befriended Rory, and ended up with Rory.. Dean knows that was a smart way to get Rory.. So yes, I think that is his whole plan.
I'm loving the GG series! I've also been watching reruns of the first seasons of Greys Anatomy, and the more I watch the more I'm thinking McDreamy is actually a really toxic guy, but he's portrayed to be so romantic??? Would be super curious to hear your take on the relationship between him and Meredith because they were always promoted as the best couple of the series!
they did fight and it was pretty even
All I can think about is when Rory and Jess wrecked the car Dean gave her. Everyone in town insisted on blaming Jess solely for what happened, and Rory fought against that saying she had equal blame. I think Dean (though having been hurt by Rory) also sees her through this lens of, “it wasn’t her fault.” The feelings she still has for Dean cloud the sense of justice she felt before. Just my thoughts. Anyway, love your channel!!
My maternal granparents divorced before I was even born. My grandmother remarried. But it had been a divorce on good terms. My biological grandfather was still invited and participating in all the family events. He was still part of it all. Besides, both men had been friends since young years, before meeting my granny, and both had developped a crush on her since she started working as a waitress in their favourite bar with skittle alley. Definitely a somewhat weird situation I guess. (Edit 11:00 I don't know about a possible "transition" phase between my biological grandparents. If there was one at at and how they handled it. As far as my memories go back, they were at good terms)
Also, I did not really get it until at some point in primary shool. In fact, I never knew my paternal grandparents. They died before my birth. So I had 2 grandfathers, like most of my peers, and thought nothing of it. Until I got it. And that even as there was a family photo of my granny and step-gramps wedding were I was on the arms of my father. I was under 3.
Just wanted to share.
My own parents divorce on the other hand was very very ugly. And my father especially ist still full of hatred and bitterness for my mother. Who died last november at almost 62 only. He is so happy about that it's disgusting.
They all lose :P That is my answer. When violence ensues (no matter if it's physical, psychological, emotional or spiritual or social or even environmental) all involved lose!!
This is why we don’t stay friends with exes. Civil? Yes. Friends? No 🤡
Jess, he's from the streets and he already emotionally fights dirty. Now if Rory's watching, Jess loses because he cares what she thinks, but if not, Deans toast.
Hey could you make a video about the attachment style from lorelai?
Can we get a Kirk video?
Street fight: Jess
Ring fight: Dean
Other universes: "Dean" (Sam) would kick his ass just from everything he learned in Supernatural alone. Even if Jess/Robert (Rocky's son) magically did win, then SPN Dean would just come back and kill Jess/Robert anyway lol.
Edit: I forgot that they actually do fight later on 🤣. No results, and Jess was totally sucker punched by Dean, though. I stand by my comment lol.
Punched for a good reason. It was clear, given that motivation, that if no one stopped them, Dean would win.
@Nikki-oe7gr I don't remember the reason why he punched him, only that he did. I wouldn't say it was that clear, though. I rewatched just the fight scene, and it looked like they were fairly matched 🤷♀️. I could be wrong, though.
And Heroes Jess would just fly away and save a cheerleader.
@@angeliprimlani9389 Oooh, I forgot about Heroes!
Peter Petrelli would win without moving his finger though 😅
After Gilmore girls is done would you ever consider watching and reacting to Heartland? The show explores trauma, young relationships and growing up in a lot of ways and it would be impactful to hear your thoughts on it!
I have a question about losing tangential relationships due to death. My step-mom has not really spoken to me or my sister at all since my father’s passing almost 10 years ago. There’s the occasional Christmas and birthday card but that’s about it. Her children, my step-siblings with whom we used to be fairly close, again have not reached out once since his funeral, how should I take that? I want to reconnect with them, but if that’s not something they want then I do want to respect that. We are all adults now, and were at the time of his passing, so I just don’t know how to perceive their behavior towards me and my sister. It felt like an additional loss after my father’s death
I once asked my husband who he thought would have won a fight between Dean and Jess and he said Jess. When I asked why, he said that Peter Petrelli can have any powers he wants and Sam was just a demon fighter. The way I cackled. I also argued that Sam also had that gun with bullets that could kill anything but there was no swaying him 🤣
I think the big difference for me is that Dean's crap feels like Dumb Teenage Boy™ and Jess's feels live evolving manipulator/abuser.
Same, Dean seems like how a normal teenage boy would be
Maybe a but immature
Possibly. I think it could have gone that way.
The only thing is there is at least one scene later that paints Dean in a light that isn't just "dumb teenage" stuff and does have more serious implications.
And Jess, fortunately. Is able to dig deep enough later to not go down that route. Oh, he could have, but clearly there was something in him that made him decide he did not want to be that person. I could easily imagine Jess playing psychological mind games with his partners if he leaned into his worst instincts as he got older though.
As far as we know Dean doesn't evolve into anything worse than his worst scene(OK. I'm just going to say it even though I don't want to spoil). SPOILER:
The scenes within Lindsey at the start of S5. Her standing over him all dressed up and looking nervous until she sees she cooked the roast correctly, and he just looks miserable the entire time. Imo the framing of that scene is far more unsettling than the show probably intended at the time, and as an adult it gives me the heeby-jeebies in a way it didn't as much as a teenager. So when people say Dean gives off potential DV vibes, it's not a completely off the rails impression based on a few things.
But you know, he never shows a hint of physically aggression towards any women. Though I don't think any male character in this show does, as in coming towards them in a threatening way, or physically grabbing them in an argument ect. Not that kinda show.
Dean is for me a manipulator/abuser too. He just hides it behind a „nice guy“ facade
@@eb7446totally agree and that season all of Dean’s scenes at home gave me that vibe. Of course my danger sensors actually perked up the first season at the Chilton Dance when he told Tristan to leave him alone because “I’ll m-rder you!” as he pushed him away. Seemed too aggressive and the character never sat right with me after that scene.
Honestly, that scene at the dance never, ever bothered me the dozens of times I watched this as a teen.
It always came across to me as a guy who would passionately defend and protect you, when I watched this then. I can see that maybe that's not the most ideal take away from that.
And I want to give him some grace here and say, he was a teenager who felt he had the right to defend himself by any means against these rich kids who would treat him as inferior, as less worthy. Though, he was never in any physical danger so maybe his reaction was out of proportion. It's a reaction I can understand at least. It should be something that needs to be paid attention to, imo ideally by a trusted adult who could address these things.
This is where I feel kinda justified in calling out the bias from this channel(which I think is a great channel btw) because what if Jess had threatened someone with "I'll kill you"? Would it be taken more seriously? With Dean, I get seeing this interaction as an angry teenage boy who reached his limits vs a boy with more privilege acting like an asshole. Because it is that, but it's a worthwhile thing to discuss....why you condemn one character more easily than another.
I love these, can you do Loralie and many relationships too please 🙏 ❤
ah to hear dean being docked points brings music to my ears :D
I still feel like he is biased and way too gentle with Dean though compared to Jess.
@@voyance4elle He is the only person not biased, Jess SUCKED, he was a stalker, he harrassed Dean, he was too pushy with Rory and if he was ugly, his whole arc would have been a Criminal Minds episode, he was SO CREEPY, yet Jess stans choose to ignore it just because he is cute. Dean is just a dude that got mistreated by his girlfriend and was acting accordingly. The only thing Dean did wrong was the whole Lindsey thing, that was unforgivable
I see Dean's behavior is if Jesse "won" Rory? Then he'll be like Jesse.
I would LOVE if you would therapize the Handmaids Tale series. Rory is in it...well, the actress
She grew up, and Gilliad took over America
Dean definitely wins 100% of the time. The real question is, who is the best character in Gilmore Girls, and why is it Kirk?
Luke pushed Jess into a lake without trouble, I think Dean would be fine against Jess. But I do think in a boxing match, they'd both make it 12 rounds trying to prove how tough they are. Dean has a lot of anger and just wait a few more episodes when he starts working construction. He will have the added strength.
Jess, definitely. He's got a darkness in him that Dean just isn't capable of, and that would not end well for Dean.
You should talk about Arthur Morgan from Red Dead Redemption, about his character arc, and how he deals with his illness.
I think Dean would have more passion about it, because he's so angry so he would go all in, but just has probably been in a few fights unlike Dean and would know how to Bob & weave.... probably putting him in headlock
I think when they fought at kyles party it was a pretty fair fight I don’t think either won
Sam Winchester would kick Dean and Jess’s butts! Lol.
You should check out supernatural. Those guys need so much therapy.
Based on the quips Jono makes, it seems he’s plenty familiar with Supernatural 😅 but naturally you’re right, that series is Full of potentially great Mended Light content
They needed to break up so he could go be with Jessica
He wanted a Jess too
OMG Dean gets SO MUCH WORSE. Also IRRC you may get an answer to your question.
It is possible to be friends with your ex. But it takes a lot of self-reflection, self-respect, and self-control, which Dean didn’t display here.
I always thought dean was like this with her post breakup because he was doing the same thing as Jess but the "right" way and I say that with sarcasm because scheming to ruin someones relationship isn't ever a good thing. But he sees himself as like a savior hes gonna save her from the damage Jess with inflict where as Jess saw her as someone to corrupt and than someone to win and a prize to have. I think both of the guys are very toxic. Do I think Rory isn't to blame absolutely not because while she started hanging out with Jess to help Luke and from a place of love she was being warned by ALL of her loved ones that he wasn't a good thing and he wasn't doing good things even when being "nice" to her. He was playing a part to get her not actually being genuine with her. I think everyone in this situation just needs to step back and chill out. Which happens later but that doesn't end any better until they stop talking all together. I will say though Rory was being emotionally manipulated by both of them so while she does make choices and she is her own person. She 100 % was being manipulated on both ends by both of them
I wonder what he's going to think of Logan? I personally hated that dude where I liked both Jess and Dean.
Jess didn't know how to deal with having a girlfriend. He didn't change his strategy that much from when he dated Shane. Dean behaved toward Lindsay much the same way he behaved towards Rory. Not that the girls are perfect, but maybe the boys could treat them like themselves instead of like the concept of women? Like Luke does with Lorelai, and Jess eventually does with Rory.
I would say Dean would win because we see his physical capabilities, whereas Jess is speculative. I feel like that because Jess has learned how to talk to get out of tough street situations he has been in very few if any fights because he's smart enough to know he'll most likely lose
I find Rory’s ideas around college and success narrow minded. Community college is still an education. That’s just as admirable as a four year institution. She was so quick to judge Dean for putting school on hold and placed blame on his wife Lindsey. That’s just life. Sh*t happens. There’s nothing wrong with encouraging others to pursue more for themselves, but Rory viewed college as an all or nothing solution. Sometimes I wondered if Rory pushed the idea of college on Dean because she was concerned of his image as her boyfriend. (Perhaps I’m projecting here.)
Formal boxing? Probably Dean. He's athletic, tall, does physical labour. Though, Jess would make him work for it.
Street rules? Jess, totally. Jess has probably been in way more fights than Dean growing up rough in New York.
Also LOL at Dean "This is my town" - he's lived there like 1 year longer than Jess.
Jonathan please therapize Mama Mia or Desperate housewives ive been watching u for years
It is easy for Lorelai to be more mature since she is in her 30s and Dean, Jess and Rory are teenagers. I would understand if Dean would get back with Rory just to hurt hers and Jess feelings in return for last time.
In the extended Jess-Dean universe, sure Dean is tall, and becomes a demon hunter straight out of law school. But then Jess could just absorb Dean's powers, and he probably knows boxing. Hard to bet on this one, darn.
Jono, you might find out who would win in a fight... stay tuned
I like Jess but I think Dean could definitely take him in a fight, he’s so big and has the reach and also Dean got some anger issues. As for Dean taking the breakup out on Jess and not Rory, I get it because Jess did instigate him a lot while he was pursuing Rory, however I do feel Dean should realize that in the end it was Rory who was in the relationship with him and it was her who betrayed that and who ultimately hurt him. I do feel a lot of people tend to that tho, where they blame the 3rd party when their significant other cheats. While I do feel if the third person knows about you it doesn’t make them a great person for doing that but for all intents and purposes, they don’t owe you anything because they aren’t the ones committed to you in anyway.
"Who would win, Dean vs. Jess?"
me: 👀
I think he has a lot of anger because there was no respect from Jess when he had his relationship. Rory was a good girlfriend and she influenced him in ways I don't think many people can in his current surroundings. She definitely made her mistakes but she owned them. I think if Jess even attempted the same it would've worked if he didn't pursue her the way he did. I think if they were honest friends and he was respectful to her and lorlie and kind . If it was all about interests and intelligence and kindness I think Dean would've been hurt but accepted that transition more. Than someone straight up pursuing your girlfriend the way he did.
I'm sorry, Dean that you're the best boyfriend for Rory but when it comes to strength, Jess get you in a knockout and the reason why I'm saying that is because you, Dean are basically me we can talk all we want, but once our truth of words of protecting our friends, we can't face our own truth
I think neither would win. Both would be pretty damn hurt, because neither would just let it go and give up at any point.
And ... In a way Dean is right to be angry about Jess. Not because of the break-up, that WAS Rory's doing. She could've distanced herself from Jess when she noticed she might be developing the first feelings - if she wanted this not to happen -, she could've had the guts to tell Dean, ... But Jess DID a lot of provoking before, he behaved like an arse to anyone but Rory and still Rory wouldn't want to see just how much of a jerk he was. So ... Dean has every right to be angry for all that provoking.
(And no, I'm not Team Dead. I actually think all of Rory's boyfriends in the show sucked, every single one of them. Honestly, all are a good riddance in the end ...)
Again, I hate Dean, he is a hypocrite... You can say anything about Jess or any other character, but Dean is a classical disgusting "nice guy" deceiver
Dean would land a solid shot, and that would flip Jess's switch, and then it would be a blood bath. From experience, I know Jess would go somewhere in his mind and when he came back, Dean would be broken, in a pool of his own blood, and unconscious.
You just need to watch season 4 and you will soon see Dean in a really bad unacceptable light.
There was times he was toxic because of shady behavior but he handled it wrong
I feel like Dean didn’t have the emotional maturity to deal with breaking up with Rory. Or to be friends afterwards. It’s painful to watch. Jess would totally win in a fight though haha. A short pretty boy who grew up practically on the streets? He must have had to learn to fight hard and fight dirty. 😂
What makes this even more interesting is that Alexis Bledel actually dated both Jared Padalecki and Milo Ventimiglia. I would love to know how the timelines of their relationships were compared with the show relationships. 😂
I think the reason a am so against team dean is because dean has everyone fooled about being a "good" guy but there are so many situations he shows he's not a good guy at all. I guess it's the narcissistic trait he holds that I can't stand him. He's got double standards flying everywhere. Because of that I would choose Jess because although he's not perfect he doesn't hide his bad boy self. Dean a wolf in sheep's wool.