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This video is Ryan distancing himself from broicism. Good.
😂😂what do you meannnn?
I'm glad he's going that way, people these days are preaching something that's not stoicism and he's trying to guide us to the right direction.
He is wrong
At least on this one .
@@JacobAmoako-e6u Feeling insecure about being a bro?
It's in fact completely up to you whether you let this "distancing" happen: ruclips.net/video/HyIt7iRzw7k/видео.html
I'm glad you trying to take stoicism back to it's origins. People these days are corrupting the meaning of philosophy for their own gains, and you are making clear what this thing is all about. You can see in the comment section that people who where captured by this twisted minds are furious with this video. I've read a lot of your books, and you always shows good examples. This video is just distancing what a truly stoic should be from bad examples.
totally!!
It's social media that has melted people's brains. READ books. Read anything and decide for yourself what philosophy works for you.
@@MonsterPig007 Or even watch stuff (that's longer than a 10 minute clip!) There are really really good documentaries out there. There's a difference between switching on FOX News, or whatever RUclips equivalent and watching a multi-hour documentary series about it. Just stop thinking that short-form content can properly educate you on anything.
Psychedelics like all drugs can be abused depends on the intention of the user.
I uploaded a shorts video with quotes on psychedelics on my channel
Uploaded a shorts vid on psychedelics, if anyone is interested.
Thank you for the candid courage you exhibit here, Ryan. I appreciate the calculated risk you’ve taken. Given the gravity of our present circumstances, I think you made a brave, honorable call, and that history will validate your admonition.
Well, history proved him completely wrong when he was a mask/vaxx zealot.
I take it you hate the same people. LOL
@@Eddie-hv4yq Nope. I don't indulge in hate. Indignation, yes. Hate, no.
Stoicism has changed how I approach challenges in life. Your content helps a lot!
You´re still one of the few Stoic men who go out of their way to include women as Stoics, and for that I am always grateful. Much love and respect, Ryan.
What are you even talking about?? Are you talking about famous Stoic men? Every single Stoic group or discussion has included women..
@@tacojohns3432 Yes, I should have proof-read what I wrote and said that Ryan is one of the few Stoics ´online´ who make a point of including women. There are far too many online who make misogynistic comments and cause division.
@@Terri_2.0 To be fair, I have only recently become interested in stoicism specifically, but your comment made me realize that up until this point I have not heard mention of female Stoics. Reading suggestions would be much appreciated :)
@@Terri_2.0 Oh, goodie lol. The US Empire is the next to fall..
Ryan, you are absolutely entitled to your own opinion. However, it would seem you’ve taken the wisdom of the stoics and twisted it to match your own bias and narrative. That’s great that you’ve built success, and you also make some good points. Most things here don’t examine overall character, but take things out of context and define an individual by one statement. You are correct about some of the things the individuals said, however, this is a direct shot at others using them as an example. I wonder how you’d feel if someone with a platform took something you said out of context and defined your entire being from it. Isn’t that what you’re doing here? 13:34 You’ve built an entire brand from some of the worlds best wisdom. Ryan, before criticizing people who think differently you should examine why they are formulating such opinions. Perhaps someone close to them has unnecessarily suffered from some of the dangerous idealogy and as a result, they have become passionate about the truth in that. Shouldn’t you yourself be looking at those individuals and how they feel as well? Rather than writing them off as bigots and bullies publicly? Perhaps this video was not so political in nature, but simply
Pointing out potentially harmful ideology (when taken out of context). I’d encourage you however to examine not just individuals who appear more conservative, but also individuals on the other side or middle of the road as well. Otherwise this comes off as you being extremely biased, making things sound less credible to likely half of your audience. The world we live in is undeniably political. Stoics were certainly not anti-politics, so it’s not the craziest thing for some to think that you are making a political statement here.
Jordan petersons psychology videos changed my life
And he's still a rightwing conspiracy crank.
I don't doubt that. He's original lecture series is really quite something valuable, and when he sticks to fundamentals, he is an expert on pyschology. But in the last few years he has broken away from that, and I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that he has lost his mind.
I think Ryan is just following a law of power to select a few "enemies" or plainly niching his stoic advice to the cultural left. Either way, it's too bad, because I hoped his work could be apolitical. Robert Greene at least criticizes everyone, which gives him a more trustworthy work
Hope you can recover and regain your own personal agency
Speaking for myself and I think the majority of women who have listened to Jordan Peterson, I must agree with our friend the Daily Stoic, he's a bully who punches down (and, my own impression, is misogynistic); therefore, as far as I'm concerned, whatever advice he might share has no worth to me. I think a real moral philosophy does not impose itself on others, rather it enlightens through example and fair questioning. However, I am happy his advice changed your life, I hope it was for the better.
“I will never be ashamed of citing a bad author if the line is good” Seneca
Full quote of #1 is "Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser - having a healthy ego, or high opinion of yourself, is a real positive in life!"
Ryan is either lying or is too lazy to do a basic google search.
Seneca made a point to learn from the rival school of Epicurus, even citing him in his letters. Ryan could not find a good thing about Peterson's work to highlight. It's disappointing.
Man, I just want to thank you for having the courage to speak out against bad, popular, people. You're a good man.
this
@@owenconant im a liberal. So keep that in mind. how is this courageous? Especially when most people already “speak out against” them.
@@wheresallthezombies Many do not - especially with such huge overlap in audience. Many of the lost young men that find their way to Holiday and thereby stoicism have very few options in front of them. These youngsters often find themselves led to dark places by these shysters or are offered meaningless froo froo solutions to help them cope with the things that may be going on in their lives. Holiday presents another choice - a well tested philosophy with a pedigree going back to the ancient world. And quite frankly, for alot of people it wouldn't be brave. It would be part of the status quo. But for someone with an audience like his it's a powerful decision.
@@owenconant I don’t agree with that. We must have very different algorithms.
It’s courageous bc it’s easier to have everyone like you than to speak out against wrong doing
I think a lot of us have such a visceral reaction to trump because we strive to follow stoicism, and trump embodies every trait we want to leave behind.
That's why in stoicism, you shouldn't compare yourself. You should only care about your thoughts and your actions since everything else is out of your control. There is no use in getting worked up about things like this.
@@DamyanLP I see that now
I don't, I do me and let him continue on his own journey.
More insightful than most of the people here presently show the capacity for.
Epictetus disagrees.
I have to defend Alex Hormozi. He also has his morning routine, even though he doesn't call it that. He drinks coffee and gets to work. What he said about morning routines is that people, instead of getting to work, feel the need to do five other things first, and because of that, they start working after 3 or 4 hours.
Yup I agree. Alex is a good dude but his focus is different than most lifestyle gurus. He's all about hustle culture and if that's your thing then he's your man, but it doesn't necessarily align with all stoic ideas. But he doesn't fit on this list with the rest of these grifters
Couldn't agree more. The big issue with Ryan's video is that he hasn't taken the time to really learn about the character he was criticizing. On one hand, it's pretty easy with Donald Trump who is more or less a sociopath, but on another hand, its more tricky with people like J. Peterson who despite having strong stands, also helped a lot of people, and Alex Hormozi, who is litteraly a modern stoic and embodies 99% of Ryan's Philosiphy
Full quote of #1 is "Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser - having a healthy ego, or high opinion of yourself, is a real positive in life!"
Ryan is either lying or is too lazy to do a basic google search.
Why does Alex need to be defended? Ryan simply disagreed with Alex's advice to not have a morning routine.
By your own reply, you are admitting that what Ryan says is accurate. He shows a tweet by Alex that says "Don't have a morning routine, it makes you weak". So is Alex weak for having a morning routine or a hypocrit or both?
Oh man, this comment section is nuclear 😂
ikr
I’m here to see it😂
Full quote of #1 is "Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser - having a healthy ego, or high opinion of yourself, is a real positive in life!"
Ryan is either lying or is too lazy to do a basic google search.
sooo many snowflakes
@@tacojohns3432 are you sure being a ego person is good?
Nobody is perfect. Be a student, not a follower
I agree with the essential point Ryan is making re: psychedelics - they’re not a replacement for hard-won wisdom and should be used with caution. But what they can offer is a brief window into a deeper knowledge, a deeper experience of being. And I believe most people could benefit greatly from having that experience.
But I strongly disagree with Ryan’s characterization of most people who use psychedelics as evangelizing for them or needing to do them again and again. I haven’t done psychedelics in years, and I rarely bring them up in conversation. But I’ll be glad to tell you how they’ve changed my life.
The dangers of psychedelics are real and should be discussed before using them. But I’m glad I’ve used them. They helped expand my understanding of reality, and break out of a myopic materialist worldview that wasn’t helping me live a good life. They could do a a lot of good for a lot of folks.
Thank you Ryan for this video! You have provided invaluable advice and insight as well as debunking notions that are either erroneous or against Stoicism.
Great video, Ryan. But I think it’s not fair to put Peterson in the same category as Trump and Tate.
Not every word Peterson says is wise, and many times he is a victim of his own social media -where you risk being foolish in public, rather than in private. Perhaps because of that, the comparison is not fair: we follow people because of the ideals they represent, knowing that they don’t always embody those ideals - certainly not 24/7. They make mistakes and have excesses, like Marcus Aurelius: didn’t he choose a notoriously cruel successor and allow the persecution and torture of early Christians? One could make the same point with Seneca’s hypocrisy, and Nero. And yet, here we are. We admire them for what they did right.
I think Peterson deserves the same kind of judgment: most of his work and what he says deserves the attention it gets, in my opinion. He has helped many, many people - myself included - namely by digesting complex ideas and authors, like Christian morality, Nietszche or Carl Jung. He has helped many find a philosophy to live a good life - as you are very well doing, by the way.
This video says a lot about Ryan, not stoicism. 😬
People critiqued: Trump, Musk, Tate, Jordon Peterson, Alex Hormozi
Not at all political lol
This was a straight ego flex for Ryan holiday , just like when he was shitting his pants during the pandemic then saying he wasn’t scared
All individuals who fully deserve to be critiqued.
@ResevoirGod what's your quarrel with Peterson?
@@jeromepowell8594 Isn't the point of stoicism to do what you believe is right despite what they will say. As in, despite people calling it an "ego flex"?
The video literally says, "Don't Listen To This". I think I'll take that advice and skip it.
I can accept another individuals right to their own opinion that differs from mine and still like them. The lesson is how YOU react.
Full quote of #1 is "Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser - having a healthy ego, or high opinion of yourself, is a real positive in life!"
Ryan is either lying or is too lazy to do a basic google search.
Exactly. You would think Ryan would know that.
Hey man - I read a lot of your books and they are rich in practical wisdom as well as informative regarding to capital S Stoicism.
I’m confused by this video, I think mostly because of your criticism of Jordan Peterson and Alex Hormozi. While there are moments of their careers worthy of criticism, you went full ad hominem and just seemed to attack their entire characters without regard for their entire work or personality. I can even understand their inclusion in this video - not as leaders of toxic online conversations, but as people who are often quoted in those heavily edited videos that spread toxic masculinity, but I think because you did not acknowledge what good they have done, as well as challenge figures of different political views, and called them names (very Trump-like, by the way) - this just came across as using stoicism to push an agenda pre election.
I like you Ryan, but this was not it. Please provide further context to your statements in this video. I want to believe you have wholesome motives behind spreading stoicism, not just selling out like so many people who follow you have come to believe.
What a great comment.
Full quote of #1 is "Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser - having a healthy ego, or high opinion of yourself, is a real positive in life!"
Ryan is either lying or is too lazy to do a basic google search.
@@tacojohns3432can you provide a link to the full clip
I agree with this comment. Ryan and Peterson need to talk on a podcast.
Great comment sir, I like Ryan as well and have read his books, I'm sure some these comments in the video could be applied to the other side of the political spectrum
Dr. Peterson had the entire Canadian government against him, the majority of media, and academia against him-especially while he was experiencing his own family health issues-and you think he was still “punching down”? Respectfully disagree Ryan.
Think about the carefully crafted narrative of victimhood you just laid out, all antithetical to stoicism. Being a malignant fountain and being a crybully are not mutually exclusive traits, and in fact, are often combined to create a more exploitive cocktail that robs us of peace, agency and objectivity.
Incredibly relatable yet extremely important content in this video. A breath of fresh air in these overwhelmingly chaotic times. Thank you, Ryan!
Full quote of #1 is "Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser - having a healthy ego, or high opinion of yourself, is a real positive in life!"
Ryan is either lying or is too lazy to do a basic google search.
People asking for a vid for Kamala. When she makes statements like Trump ("I alone can fix it; I'm a stable genius; I like people who like me; ad infinitum; sure) We all have egos. But Trump acts like the Messiah should have a Trump complex.
But I guess there are people who would want a guy like Trump dating their daughter (he already said he'd be dating Ivanka if she wasn't his daughter, ewww) or raising their children like to be a whiner (which Trump said he was in an interview in 2015).
And for those saying, "stoicism isn't about politics," have you read Meditations?
Kamala implied Biden is a Racist for his stance on integrating schools at the time, She also said she believes Biden`s acuuser (who claimed he had r*ped her). then went along and served under a man she belvies is a R*pist and Racist. what a great example to your daughters.
Liberal detected
@@glenngibson9201 100%. Trump said on camera that he would date his daughter if she wasn’t his daughter
The full quote of #1 isn't even correct. Surely being a Stoic doesn't mean arguing strawmen? I also agree elimination of the ego is generally good, but it is impossible to have no ego unless you create a definition that serves that.
"Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser - having a healthy ego, or high opinion of yourself, is a real positive in life!"
Ryan, you’re entitled to your political views of course, but please remember that you have viewers from both sides.
While I can admit Jordan Peterson has become more vocal on X, I disagree about calling him a bully. His books have changed so many lives, including mine. Also not subscribing to an ideology doesn’t make bully
Hope you read this and consider my message. I like your work and don’t want to see it get muddied with political affiliations.
Thank you. 🙏
Love this format of video, there's a lot of advice out there and it's really interesting to see it through the lens of stoicism!
When you talk about stoic virtues like empathy, it’s also important to talk about the fact that there are many, many bad actors in the world. We live in an age where, for example, it’s really trendy to self diagnose depression, ADHD, bipolar disorder, etc to justify bad behavior or egoism personal accountability. Sometimes being a good person is not showing blind empathy to any and everyone who makes a claim about their suffering. Sometimes people are trying to take advantage of you or dodge consequences for their actions. This can be devastating to society if not checked.
People lie, virtue signaling is often a motive, and victimhood is commonly worn as a badge of honor. I think that’s why some of the guys you mentioned have gained popularity; young men gravitate toward them because they see all of the nonsense and then the overcorrect by being mean and dismissive to everyone.
Thank you so much for risking alienating some of your audience by exposing the grift of these guys. You may be the voice that finally reveals to them that their Emperor has no clothes.
This is a great way to distance yourself and hopefully other people from these ridiculous thoughts/practices in their life. Love that you're direct with criticism too. Too many people try to ride the fence so they don't offend one side or the other. Great work
I gotta defend Jordan here.
Him choosing not to subscribe to language that is apart of an ideology he doesn’t agree with is one of the more stoic things a modern man can do.
“Let them call you mad and a fool, one day they will call you wise”
Almost 10years ago Jordan Peterson would discuss the dangers of pronouns evolving in society and the consequences that everyone would have as part of this.
If people who have pronouns MUST be called this and that then maybe we should show them some works of Epictetus to instill the idea that we can only control what’s within OUR control.
Flash forward to today and kids and adults alike are being forced to use language they don’t agree with in university settings.
Outside of a clinical setting NOBODY has an obligation to use forced language.
Jordan is the forefront for this message.
The way he also stated, "I think" at the beginning of his critic of Peterson shows how ignorant he is of the man's work.
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Ive found some good advice by some of the peoplementioned in this video, but Ive also seen how they were flawed which allowed me to never sort of idolize these type of people, just to see how they have some good points and also very bad ones, their strengths and weaknesses, and I feel thats because after I read the meditations, I tried to use the philosophy that inspired it to help guide me in life
Thank you so much for this video. I love your videos and books, and this may be the best video you’ve created because it hits back at using the idea of “stoicism” (lower-case s) to just be an asshole.
Coming from the guy who helped Dov Charney assault women 😂.
Loved the video, mate! Keep it up! Explaining how these guys’ advice isn’t Stoic, citing actual sources is awesome! So many folks need to see this, especially with the internet being flooded with fake stoics.
Which part of stoicism says you need to be okay with your children being gender transitioned by a school without your knowledge or consent?
He never defended that and also that doesn’t happen. Stop kowtowing to Delusional Donald.
That doesn’t happen…
I feel like he is testing us on this one. Or it’s just a joke.
I have learned much from Ryan and will continue to listen to his conversations. It takes great courage to share on a platform such as this. We do need to be very careful who we lend our ears to. If I have had a different experience it's okay for me to see someone in a different light. Each of us is finding our own way with the guidance of the stoics. I will stand by choice and opinion on Jorden Peterson. I will credit him with literally saving my life at a time of crisis. I completely agree with him on the issue of compelled speech. Ryan Holiday is also someone who has lead me on a path that I now hold precious to my heart. If the two men see things differently it does not effect my respect for either.
You have learned little from Ryan, but much from stoicism.
You need to re-check the facts on "compelled speech" regarding Peterson. It's been confirmed that he openly lied about having to conform to the University's requirements - that was applied to the University as an institution, never to the personnel working for that institution. Several teachers at the time said he was made aware of that fact as they had been, but made a big deal anyway because he knew it would be a huge source of media publicity for him and the books he planned to write. He's an attention whore.
Do you seriously believe that Kamala is the answer?
I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on these topics. I disagree with you though on the "follow your passion" advice. At 50 years old I started working on the side at something I have been passionate about all my life. It has made such a positive impact on me. I love the work, I love helping people with something I enjoy and I'm good at. It doesn't pay the bills and I still work my main job, but following my passion is something I wish I would have started doing many years ago. It's very possible it could have been my main source of income. All in all it was a thoughtful video, Ryan.
Man I do love a debate, and I am thankful for your stoic teachings. While respect your opinions. I think you really missed the point when it comes to Dr. Jordan peterson. He's not perfect but I really do think you misunderstood what his message is. Hope you come around to doing your research next fimd before spreading uniformed options that are needlesly mean. Still love the stoic lessons from other stoics, but this will go down as a big loss in trust when it comes to you mate.... 😢 12:11
You can deal with something you disagree with in a way that can be “offensive” while still being respectful. Jordan Peterson doesn’t care about the latter point, he only cares about “owning” his opposition
Right. And this isn't about the election at all.
I know a lot of the comments will be about unsubbing, but I just wanted to say this is an important video. There's a lot of young men who need better role models.
Amen!
yeah joe Biden, kamala harris, bill and hillary clinton, snoop dog etc. lol...do me a favour
Like who?
@@flvflv4712so mr. pssy Graber, couch fkr, racist ex wrestler...those are role modles?!?!.!
@@PSF1986 George Washington, John Adams, Noam Chomsky, Nikola Tesla, to name only a few.
Now this is the real stoicism not all those bullshits
What do you think of Joe Biden EGO?
I’m listening to meditations by Marcus Aurelius. It’s great
i don’t agree with more than half of the figures presented but this representation of these people is quite obviously biased. do better
okay let me elaborate i agree with many points in this video however there needs to be nuance
Okay now do a video on someone who’s atleast slightly on the left.
Full quote of #1 is "Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser - having a healthy ego, or high opinion of yourself, is a real positive in life!"
Ryan is either lying or is too lazy to do a basic google search.
Right, hahahah
@tacojohns3432 Agreed, and Jordan Peterson repeats ad infinitum that the reason he dead name's people is because he believes them confronting their delusions instead of getting validation by changing their bodies leads to substantial and unreasonable suicides and mental health impacting regrets.
You'd have to hear it from the left's media to NOT hear that regularly expressed proviso.
JP is harsh and comes from an excessively aggressive psychological past, but I think that mostly affects the way he says things nowadays, and not so much what he says.
Watch one of JP's full videos on Elliot Page, he can barely talk about the unsure transitioners' regrettable suffering without crying, if he ever has. In his opinion it's virtuously channeled anger.
If he's right in the balance of his assessment, I'm glad he's the one to claim the burden of the pushback.. that's a lot of hate to claim for trying to raise awareness for something so taboo in today's blind inclusiveness culture (which, of course, provides good results too).
Get over yourself. 🎉
@@tacojohns3432And the full quote doesn’t help. His ego is not healthy. And ego is a major downfall.
One of your best videos. Of course, fans of those awful human beings won't even see it, let alone get it, so it's kinda like "why bother", but still it's a fantastic video in and of itself
I really enjoy the Daily Stoic and Ryan's work, but I don't agree with his take on Jordan Peterson. I mean you literally said Jordan Peterson shouldn't use his platform to punch down yet you call him an attention seeking bigot and bully in the same breath. So.....
Letting your political leanings undermine the value of your philosophic work that is truly helpful to people on ALL sides would be a shame and I hope that doesn't happen to Ryan's channel.
You seemed to be confused about the meaning behind the idiom, ‘punching down.’
All you can do is fart in comments like small dog when your idol is offended 😂 JP is scumbag
Peterson has in fact punched down significantly and often. There are numerous examples of Peterson exhibiting bigoted and bullying behavior. Most of the people Ryan mentions in this video are absolutely guilty of that set of behavior (the only one I cannot readily think of examples of would be Alex so he gets a pass, from me, on that particular set of criteria. To my knowledge, Alex does not punch down that I have seen).
@@seanstrickland6501agree!
Ryan's video of Jordan Peterson "punching down" was when he was a professor making probably 50k a year and his job was being threatened by the university he worked at for advocating for free speech.
That's the definition of "punching up".
Anyone leaving a comment here thinking it’s a political video is missing the point.
The can't help themselves, they live to be triggered.
Im not so sure. Ryan implied Peterson is a bad person because he doesnt believe in transgenderism, sounds kind of political to me.
He already made his allegiance known when he brought on one of the worst people like Eric Holder.
he intentionally made it political on purpose. The content stands though-hes political intentions as well.....
@@raphmcafee Add Kinzinger and Abrams to that list of miscreants. 😁
“Say to yourself first thing in the morning: today I shall meet people who are meddling, ungrateful, aggressive, treacherous, malicious, unsocial.” - Marcus Aurelius
Clearly, some people can’t handle critique of their “heroes”
not if it's one sided...which is very non stoic
@@flvflv4712 The fact that Trump for instance is a political figure is beside the point. The subject of the discussion is 'ego,' so how would it add to force some other politician into this just because they happen to be "rivals?" Just to cuddle some snowflake's sense of fairness..? Cmon.
You are right 😂
@@flvflv4712cooooope 😂😂😂 what is it with right wingers constantly spitting the dummy out like you are
Yes but this video is very one sided.
Favorite video yet. Thank you so much for lending your voice in a way many won’t, Ryan!
" They're not sensitive little snow flakes, but you know what they're also not? They're not assholes" 👏👏👏
Full quote of #1 is "Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser - having a healthy ego, or high opinion of yourself, is a real positive in life!"
Ryan is either lying or is too lazy to do a basic google search.
@@tacojohns3432 Let us know if you ever remove what passes for your head from Trump's ass.
Your political bias is showing and it is very disappointing.
Disappointing to see a mischaracterization of Jordan Peterson by Ryan - I see Ryan as someone who is generally well informed on people before commenting about their character. It is one thing pointing out where a person did not act wisely, quite another labelling them a "bigot".
Agree, very disappointing JUDGEMENT against JP by RH. JP puts a lot of great advice out there and RH cherry-picks some comment that apparently offended RH about transgender people and “dead-naming” someone without identifying the actual incident. I’ve heard JP say that if an individual asks him to be referred to with certain pronouns or with a certain name he’d respect that, but he pushes back against Canadian laws which criminalize not doing so, which is a completely fair position in support of free speech. People today seem to have missed the lesson on how important free speech is. It’s fundamental to a free society.
@@MichaelM-cd7hy I like JP's idea that "even if you disagree with someone, assume they know something important that you don't" - I won't hold this against Ryan; I think he does a lot of good but I am certainly more skeptical; JP has done an awful lot of good for people too. I don't always agree with him but rational enquiry and debate, as you say, are essential for unity.
@@realcosmicmysticI agree. I feel that if we want to agree 100% with everything that someone says, and focus on the things we do not agree with, that in itself is not practising stoicism.
Jordan P shares all his beliefs. Most do not become this vulnerable. I don’t agree with everything he says. That’s ok.
We should not be in a world where we all need to agree. As Marcus Aurelius says, you don’t need to have an opinion on this. With regard to the other people, I happen to agree with Ryan, but so what.
Regardless, Ryan has been authentic with his views and he gets my respect.
@@MrJGD77 well said! There's hope yet :)
He went through and explained how they conflicted with Stoic principles and cited actual sources. Just because you like the guys doesn’t mean they’re actually stoic. Judgment is not against Stoic virtues in the actual school of thought.
Great video Ryan. Good for you to be honest about how you feel and keeping your feet towards the fire with stoic standards
I think this is an excellent video, thanks 🙏
This video was NOT about politics!
It was about behavior and attitude... stoicism!
Nice try
@@kevinparker2409Thank you!
Maybe you can do better next time.
@@dalevancleefsr A video that’s one sided, politically, during an election year a few months before an election. But it’s not about politics.
@@jonfibonacci
Have you considered the possibility that one side is behaving more stoically than the other?
The sides are different.
@@dalevancleefsr Neither side is Stoic.
Wtf dude
Unsubbed.
snowflake , stoics don't bend over for demagogues or anyone
Bye
@@Crashtechs Are you talking to the immigrants? Trump 2024 😎
Goodbye!😂😂
@@josephbaumann292 to all the immigrants 😎
Thank you! It needed to be said. I watched the video on “Aperture” that attacked you and attempted to classify you with the broicism gang. I was appalled at the misrepresentation of your views. I’m glad you have made it crystal clear where you stand.
When I first started reading stoic philosophy, it was because of you. You pointed me in the right direction and I read many of the books you mentioned.
It took me a while to understand how the four virtues interact with the other aspects of stoicism. Stoicism is a path to kindness, to justice, to understanding other people, and most of all, to understanding ourselves and our place in the world and how we can be better people.
Full quote of #1 is "Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser - having a healthy ego, or high opinion of yourself, is a real positive in life!"
Ryan is either lying or is too lazy to do a basic google search.
I dont think anyone thinks Andrew tate is is worth listening to.
hes obvious ragebait and u guys fall for it
@tangy680 what do you mean "you guys" I can't stand that guy.
@@jasonchristiansen9063 you expressing your hate towards him is what has made him famous for years he’s smart lol
@@tangy680 it's not hate. He's just talks dumb shit
Plenty of young men do. He’s very popular these days, ironically I think this was discussed by Jordan Peterson in the past couple years, linking it with fatherlessness
Yikes. That Jordan Peterson segment was a bit of a mischaracterization and a reach to say the least. The others perhaps more valid, but it reeks of you surrounding a sneaky political opinion in amongst easy sells. This feels a little bit manipulative, and surprisingly, hateful.
Thanks for having the courage to speak up, to speak truth and to speak with wisdom. It means a lot to me.
You’re courageous for this, and I’m grateful. Just… thank-you Ryan.
I’m pretty sure “courageous” don’t mean anything anymore. lol. Everyone talks bad about trump and Elon. The courageous thing would be to defend Trump.
why is he courageous
@@wheresallthezombies😂
Great jokes in these replies!
@@geoffthechef76 I’m a liberal. lol. But, it’s true. There’s nothing courageous about this when literally everyone does it. The courageous thing would be to have a different opinion.
This is the best example of applied stoicism ive seen you put out. Thanks.
Don’t agree very much on the transgender issue here. One can have empathy for the situation without agreeing that the correct way to respond is to accept a lie.
I don’t understand either. And that’s where I let my ego off. We don’t understand. We are ignorant. But I can empathize, that it’s clearly important to that person. That they deal with a lot of ridicule but preserve. That they are struggling for something they feel is right. Drop the ego when you realize you don’t understand. Don’t let it make up something to tell you that you and yours are right and others are wrong. The conspiracies are just little happy ego pills.
Full quote of #1 is "Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser - having a healthy ego, or high opinion of yourself, is a real positive in life!"
Ryan is either lying or is too lazy to do a basic google search.
Please let someone else speak without saying your disagreements out loud. Just listen politely and move on
@@tacojohns3432 Why do you keep saying this like it makes the meaning of the quote different?
@@jpmiller03 Basically Ryan claims you should completely eliminate the ego by introducing a new definition, and then he is applying his new definition to only half of Trump's quote to lie about Trump.
You will always have an ego, this is something so obvious by the commonly accepted definition of an ego, but you should eliminate the bad parts. Ryan goes on and on about lies about Trump even saying his family objectively hates him.
So we can just agree to disagree if you can't see that.
This seemed like an outright attack on JP here. A "bigot" and a "bully".
The worst thing about this is that it can only really come from a place of ignorance. I find it hard to believe anyone who's read his books and watched his content would actually believe that.
Wondering to myself whether RH is actually doing his homework now. Something I'd have found ridiculous before this video.
him being a bigot is a matter of fact, given some of his world views
So I was a pretty big Peterson fan back in 2016-2019ish. Watched a lot of his college lectures on RUclips, bought his first book, listened to tons of podcasts of him. I found his takes mostly rational, helpful, and at times I didn’t fully agree but it felt mostly well intentioned.
The man is completely different now. He’s a full on culture warrior grifter who seems easily triggered and left behind any science and stability years ago.
@@huxleyginsberg13 That's very disappointing! You got any examples? I don't agree with enduring he says. Religion and diet being good examples. I've never questioned his morals and ethics over every book/video so far though.
@@huxleyginsberg13I agree. Petersen has changed a lot.
Agreed, I am shocked by his poor judgement on this one. Bigot and bully is an interesting “argument” to use against Peterson, while also agreeing with the tweet he began that segment with. Lost some respect for Ryan on this one.
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Trashing Trump right before the election. Classy!
Well, I used to like this channel. You're clearly pushing an agenda now.
Unsubscribed.
Lol you're just mad that he pointed out chumps shortfalls. I know you think your dear leader was born on a mountain, with double rainbows, during an eclipse, golfed 18 hole in one's, etc. But it's just not true, many people have exposed him for what he really is and you don't like it.
Bye.
I don’t think people are desperate to “convert” you to psychedelics, people are just very passionate to share what they think would benefit people, yeah just like you do. I don’t know take you as desperate to share stoic thoughts.
I'm disappointed with Jordan Peterson. When he wrote his "12 Rules" book and provided a much needed connection between the mental health-care profession and millions of disillusioned and embittered young men, I was very much a fan of his. Once he moved to the right-wing media, he's delved into areas he really has no expertise in like climate change and COVID mandates. And yes, to the transgender point, at first, he brought up some legitimate objections to some of the language mandates, but he's mostly just become a cultural warrior for the Right, now not a reasoned voice in a sea of irrationality that can help individuals health and integrate into society like a therapist is supposed to.
@@matthiggins6750 He has moved to the right wing media, it’s true. I saw him talk this year and had no idea he was co-opted by the right at the time. My brother said to me, if my coworkers knew I was here they would be disgusted. Meanwhile the talk fully centered on aiming upward throughout your life and sacrificing your hedonistic whims for the betterment of society and those you love. Has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with taking on responsibility for your life and accountability for your actions. But never mind all that, Ryan’s right, he’s just a bigot.
@@DrOcelot667 I'm pleased to hear his talk was focused on those topics. I haven't heard him speak in person, but I know he packs em in. I watch his RUclips videos and more and more they've just become right-wing propaganda. It's very disappointing because of the wisdom he imparts in talks like the one you mentioned. I still find his insights from his books very beneficial. I hope he comes to his senses and sticks with those pearls of wisdom instead of going off the deep end like he has.
He didn't "move" to the right. His commentary is seen as a threat to power, so, they assigned the "right-wing" pejorative to him as part of the corporate narrative. That term in the western political lexicon has basically lost it's meaning. It's become a slur, like,..calling someone a meanie or poopy-head. If you disagree with certain and/or, all things he says, and that's fine, but it's just lazy to dismiss people you may disagree with as "right-wing".
@@billyhughes9776 I agree with your point that assigning a label to someone often causes emotional reaction, not thoughtful discourse. However, it is clear to me that Jordan Peterson is a mouth piece for right-wing messaging. He has videos where he discusses topics that he is not an expert in, such as global warming and COVID mandates. Hell, he even talked to that phony Josh Hawley about his book on manhood.
I'm not using the label because "they" or the "corporate narrative" wants me to. It's empirically clear. By the way, I am not sure what the "corporate narrative" is, whose power is threatened, much less why that narrative is the reason people use it to criticize Jordan Peterson unfairly. Perhaps you can clearly define these groups and explain why they feel threatened?
Wow. Surface level mud- slinging, and text book cancel culture.....here!?!
"I heard him say this, or the news said this, so I hate him and disregard the rest and most important parts of that persons message. Cancelled!!"
So do I now take the feeling this video left me with, and do the same with you? Judge your entire work on this one off- putting video? How much ego does it take to title a video "worst advice on the internet" and proceed to name people we shouldn't listen to... Some of which bring far more to the table and fight a much more essential fight.... the whole thing contradicts stoism, to me. You may have knee capped yourself here with a hypocrisy hammer.
This is one of the best videos you’ve made in a while. It’s an important contribution. Thanks Ryan.
As one familiar with stoicism, this is not a particularly stoic approach to call all your political enemies unstoic and ignore the fact that Taylor Swift, whom you have praised and Kamala Harris are not role models either. I think you should criticize them too to be fair. But remember this Ryan, to blame others for not following your ethic, calling them good or bad, or using the f word to invoke emotion over reason in your rhetoric, or to influence the election by using your reputation instead of your virtue, these are not stoic. I will tell you I’m voting for Trump. And if you want to swing stoicism at conservatives you had better believe that those same criticisms apply to the democrats. Marcus Aurelius is not on the ballot.
Oi, your ego crept in on this one
No, he spoke out against ego and the authoritarian cults.
That is a false statement that people need to do psychedelics over and over again. I’ve had depression my whole life and I microdosed psilocybin for 6 months and it changed my depression more than anything else in my life life. I now use mushrooms 1-3 times a year not because I have to but because every time I do a macro dose it’s transformative. Please educate yourself more on them
Jordan Peterson has done so much good for young men that I find it disheartening how you belittle him. You should do an interview with him, I think you would change your mind.
All you can do is fart in comments like small dog when your idol is offended 😂
There's absolutely NO stats to prove that. It's just YT/social media gossip, here-say and grapevine drivel...but that's usually all Peterphiles need for factual evidence.
This video is either splitting your audience, or bringing in a lot of people from trump's, jp's and tate's audiences to dump on it.
That being said, I think you're spot on, these guys needed to get called out by someone in your position. They are all rightwing political figures even if many of them are playing hide the ball with their real positions and motivations.
Yes sir! Preach! 🙌🏼💚
It’s impossible to be a life-changing presence to some people without simultaneously being a complete joke to others - Mark Manson
When it comes to everyone named here just be a student not a follower. Take the stuff you agree with & apply it to your day to day life & take the stuff you disagree with & don’t apply it.
We’re all human beings anyway. Flesh & Bones.
That’s what they tell truck drivers. Driving while tired is as bad as driving while drunk.
Full quote of #1 is "Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser - having a healthy ego, or high opinion of yourself, is a real positive in life!"
Ryan is either lying or is too lazy to do a basic google search.
All about making the most of them 'Long Blinks', that gets you another 5 mins on the road before crashing into a tree.
- Husle Culture
I love stoicism and a video about hating on others doesn’t feel in alignment with Stoicism. I don’t think we should pull from what you as a mortal man believe they as mortal men lack, we should be elevating each other. We could all make a video on all of the bad parts of Ryan Holiday, but is that what a Stoic would do?
Great vid, very thoughtful and level headed. Love to listen to you breaking down stoicism
Lots of angry people feeling touched in the comments, that's a sign that this video's purpose succeded. Feels like scrolling through any Sam Harris' comment section.
I agree with the sentiment of the video but I disagree with your assertion about jordan peterson
I agree with most of the people you highlighted in this video, however they are all Centre to Right identities. You should be a bit more balanced and also highlight some of the toxic advice on the Left. Unless you're scared of being cancelled.
Thank you for making a video like this, Ryan. Maybe it helps some people see how incompatible certain people and their views are with the core tenets of stoicism
People throw around the word a lot but this is based. Unfortunately the same people seeking guidance in their stoic journey often lack the mental armor to protect themselves from the exploitive, the bullies, the for-profit "spheres" that take advantage of their weakness and keep them weak, where they can steal both their money and personal agency.
Everything needs to have context. Having an ego (someone would say self-confidence and expectations of one’s self) is important. But containing your ego and channeling the right way is just as important for success in life.
If you are successful, you will have an ego regardless, the key is to contain it.
Full quote of #1 is "Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser - having a healthy ego, or high opinion of yourself, is a real positive in life!"
Ryan is either lying or is too lazy to do a basic google search.
I love The Daily Stoic book. I’m not a fan of some of Ryan’s opinions on current affairs. That’s ok. Going forward, Ryan may want to consider this bit of wisdom:
“He who knows only his side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion.”
- John Stuart Mill
Why would anyone attack Ryan's views? Isn't philosophy all about debate? I am a HUGE fan and have read most of his work and have disagreed with his political views this entire time, it doesn't mean I slander or am angered by his view. Don't you have friends that see the world in a different light? If you don't, you really should.
Of course, you don't say that when people freak out over Trump, Tate, Peterson etc..
I think most people here just use Stoicism as a source for a few inspirational quotes and that's it. It's funny because I'm reading the Discourses currently and Epictetus himself explained that it's important to be able to deconstruct the arguments of others in a calm and thoughtful manner.
Agree with you for the most part but isn’t Ryan also attacking other people?
@@rid.h.tom.4296 You're correct. Bias is showing on my side. I'm stuck between being a huge admirer of Ryan's work and listener to most of all the personalities he was speaking about.
@@JavierCasillas he is not totally wrong about some or most of these individuals. Having said that, I personally don’t dismiss anyone because I don’t like one or more things they say. Even with Ryan, it kind of shocked me when he got into YT comment “fights” with folks critical of him taking his little kids to “Drag Story hour” event at his book store some time ago. He couldn’t understand why people wouldn’t want their little kids be around hyper sexualized men pretending to be women.
Then again, I think he is the type of person who wants to accept everyone no matter what, something I can’t agree with if it crosses certain lines, but I still listen to his videos. Can’t completely write anyone off just for disagreeing on some stuff. Which he seems to be doing though.
This is the video we needed. These online influencers have mutilated the true philosophy of stoicism and I can say this with no shame that I was a victim of it too. All they are trying to make you is an " Alpha Man", and sell you their courses. One must strive to be fundamentally good and reach their true potential without wanting anything in return like money, women, or fame. The happiness you think you will get from those things is nothing but a cycle of hedonism. True happiness can only be found only when we are at peace with ourselves.
So well said. Thank you, Ryan.
I loved this video, but I feel as though Peterson was unfairly represented. I’ve watch him countless times and have never thought he acted in a bigoted nature or is consistently punching down. I’d be glad to watch something that could prove the contrary of my opinion of Peterson if it were made available to me.
You are being extremely disingenuous about Jordan Peterson, he believes that being true to reality is more important than people's feelings, you may disagree with him but misrepresenting people isn't very virtuous
Jordan Peterson has never found stability, he’s on an emotion roller coaster often
Not accepting Truth and reality is also not virtuous. He lost me on Peterson.
Who’s “reality”??? Seriously, I would like to know. You talk about being true to reality, but each person’s version of reality is going to vary! If you were to say, facts don’t care about your feelings, you MIGHT be on to something, but Jordan Peterson’s reality is far from real, and has been that way for some time now. The jerk lost the plot a long time ago.
But what does true mean? And what does reality mean? And what does believe mean?
Yep, you sure have learned the Peterson art of word salad...
man i really wanna hear more from you about jordan peterson... he's someone i have followed for years ( not what he says about politics or other people) and he's been really helpful. But on the other hand, ive followed you for years too. i read the discipline is destiny and the obstacle is the way everynight now and the daily stoic too. would love to understand what you mean by his bad advice
It took real guts and bravery to speak the truth about these cult of personalities. I commend you for stoically putting aside a concern for subscriber numbers to point out the poor examples being followed today.
Ryan has also said we should have a conversation about reparations and that the world owes gay people an apology. So be careful listening to everything he says. As with everyone, use a filter...
@@jonfibonacci We’re sorry bro.
@@someoneelse7724 ?
Is hating trump a cult?
@@jonfibonacciwhat’s wrong with either statement?
It’s kind of un-American of you to not understand the need for those two things to happen in order for our country to move forward and get past old traditions and immoral values.
I have listen to it all and one of the things that stuck in my mind was when he mentioned Jordan's quote inorder to think you have to risk being offensive and he said there are better ways to use proper language and understanding ones feelings but he straight out called the people Insecure bigot and other related words and maybe the things he said is true but that just point out Jordan's point of In order to think you have to risk being offensive but of course i respect Ryan i am getting a lot of knowledge from his videos just wanted to point that out
Is it stoic to delete comments that criticize your video?
Yes.
If you’re not being respectful. Yes it’s his right.
@@oftenwrong. The vast majority of the criticism was respectful, just telling him not to get political and some saying they would unsubscribe. Ego was Ryan's enemy when he decided to delete these comments.
@@marcelo_pendragon if you don’t agree with him fine. but it’s his channel.
Maybe he has problems taking criticism? I don’t know. I watch for his advice but I use what I can and the rest goes in the trash. With respect!!
@@oftenwrong. Nothing against Ryan, but I couldn't help but notice this little hypocrisy.
And nothing new under the sun, most of the great Stoics were small hypocrites too. Seneca was the worst.