THE WHEEL OF TIME Ending Explained & Season 2 Theories!
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- In this video we take a deep dive, review, recap and explain the ending to season 1 of Amazon's THE WHEEL OF TIME based on the books by Robert Jordan.
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didn't the dagger in the books basically disintegrate you when you are *stabbed with it?*
Nynaeve looked crispy toast and proper dead at that last battle, what if Egwene didn't heal her but actually reversed time to undo the damage. Is that too far off from what the rules of the WoT magic system would possibly permit?
@@_Amit_Sunil that’s a no…
@@mOnStErSonfilm well Padan was a dark friend then he gets twisted in Shadar logith later on melds with a forsaken…he is a very complicated character.
I really couldn't get behind the Hokey acting and blandness of the characters
continually impressed by how much content you consume, research and breakdown all the way back since I was tuning in real time of your reviews of AHS and im so delighted you continue using the "Daddy loves you very much". we love you too.
not really considering what he got wrong
Moraine losing her powers at the end of Season 1 so that she gets something to do and a different character arc in season 2 dealing with stuff without her abilities feels way too close to Yennefer's arc in the Witcher series. At least Yen got to go all out before losing access to the One Powe.. I mean Chaos
Characters losing powers have been done to death already. It is going to be very repetitive and boring. It is just a sign of the showrunners have no idea what to do with those powers so they just go the lazy route of removing them entirely for a while.
Yeah, it was about s believable as Yennifer losing the ability to do magic. Not a single viewer believes it for a second, just a matter of watching through the episodes and “struggles” until the ability is returned again; with the character of course gaining personal insight and humility from their trials and tribulations. 🤣
I was watching both shows at the same time and I had to keep remembering what was actually different about their worlds. Like you’re saying, not that much tbh.
Then again Moraine probably hasn't been stilled, only Shielded with it tied off. One of the forsaken did it to another forsaken in the books. So she'll only be without power until someone can work out how to remove it.
It's probably tied in with the whole Moiraine Lan Nynaeve love triangle. Nynaeve is the one who heals something like this later, and given the scenes with Lan, it's clear she's going to feel some reluctance to restore the warder bond. It's a more subtle Perrin's wife setup, to make one character feel guilty by harming another one.
I hate the way that Rand has been downplayed and diminished. I hope that his character and mission are more fully explored going forward.
Moiraine is the main character, duh.
@@Dooger414 Well, Moiraine is the logical choice for the main point of view-character if you want to make it a secret who the dragon reborn is. It will be interesting how they handle Moiraine next season. Because "The Great Hunt" starts the annoying habit of main characters being practically absent for an entire book and its Moiraines turn to be on a "research vacation".
I think it was to help the element of surprise when you find out he’s the dragon so you don’t suspect him but it did diminish his character
This hole show is a joke and a cash crab the person who is writing is just skipping stuff and changing law and events and taking a big fat shit on the books!
@@Dooger414 Not really..In my perspective(As I've read the book) Rand is the protagonist but well the perspective changes over the books too..
honestly if they had kept it in Rand's perspective it would showed more of the confusion ,doubts and suspicion the character had throughout the book in the show
I just came from finishing watching the first season. As someone with zero prior knowledge of the series (literally nothing) I enjoyed the series very much. The one character that grated on me a little bit was Nyneave and her always complaining about Moiraine.
Reading all the comments I can understand everyone hating on the changes from the source material, I absolutely hated Witcher S2 for that reason.
She never trusted Moiraine for most of the series.
She is the worst.
Nyneave is hands down the most annoying character in the books for me.
Tv show Nynaeve was far less annoying than early book series Nynaeve. lol
I had not read any of the books but I was mostly impressed by the Season One and this video is mostly helpful looking at the eighth episode which is also the finale. It was conclusive but it was not as painful as it could have been for the characters. There was a lot of time invested in Moiraine Damodred however the Wheel of Time Prequel book that I am close to finished reading has her as the main character in that book. She does have a knife to the neck of the Dragon Reborn which was her mission to find but the group of potential dragons were not very interested in saving their own skins. The Ogier died without any fight too. The reason why Egwene was restored to life was because nobody cared if she lived least herself. Putting that aside it was still a lot of fun to watch. I really liked it.
My first thought is: I think the reason that Ishamael was smiling was because he wanted Rand to use that much power to "Destroy him"... Not because it "killed" him, but because doing so cracked the seal over the Dark One's prison, thus making it easier for the other Forsaken to escape, as well as the Dark One, eventually. Secondly, we've seen Logain being stilled and it wasn't the same animation with the one power that Moraine experienced from Ishamael. In fact, it looked more like he cast a shield over Moraine and "tied it off", which is something the Forsaken have done in the books. Someone strong enough could use the One Power to untie Ishamael's shield on Moraine eventually. As for season 2, I'm hoping that Thom Merrilan finds Matt and leads him away from the Aes Sedai, hopefully towards wherever the others end up, so they finally reunite. I expect it to be the Western coast, where they get caught up fighting the Seanchan.
Hell yes. Solid reasoning all the way around.
Maybe he knew about the whole Moridin thing already (keeping it vague to avoid any spoilers for people who haven't read the whole series)
I think "Sean B" (the OP) is exactly right about the reason for Ishamael's smirk.
One reason for this belief is that it fits perfectly with the show's agenda to make almost all of the guys into incompetent bungling (or useless) idiots.
For example, the only thing good Rand accomplishes in the last several episodes, perhaps the only thing since Episode 1... is to be Egwene's friend. Other than that, he's been useless... except (probably) to crack the seal.
(Likewise, Perrin, Mat, and Loial have also been useless, except for Perrin killing a few Trollocs in Ep1 and Loial with the Waygates. BTW, Lan is an idiot, too, because "You've killed us all." Moiraine to Lan at Shadar Logoth.)
I disagree, however, about Moiraine... I think she got STILLED... which will set up the chance for someone to heal her... I'm guessing Egwene.
This is consistent with the show's other agenda to turn Egwene (and to a lesser extent Nynaeve) into Mary Sues.
(Ex. - both being MOST of how the Trolloc army at Tarwin's Gap was defeated, and Egwene apparently healing death itself. The latter is being a MEGA-Mary Sue. Additionally, Nynaeve rescued herself from a Trolloc, fought off Machin Shin, apparently healed some dead Aes Sedai after Logain killed them... and Egwene rescued both herself and Perrin from the WC's.)
Of course, IT IS POSSIBLE that Moiraine was simply shielded... which would be better writing... BUT the writers are absolutely LOUSY, which is just another reason that I think Moiraine was stilled, not shielded.
Season 2, I expect, will be at least as much "The Moraine (and Lan) Show" as season 1.
In turn, that means less screen-time and budget to spend on our main characters.
Adding the Seanchan is just going to make things even more complicated, which means S2 will probably be even more of a crap-show dumpster-fire than S1.
@@Nyet-Zdyes Refreshing take :D:D:D
@@Nyet-Zdyes Did you notice in the books when a severed woman was healed by a man, she attained her full strength, and vice versa (logain and nyneave). but when the same sex heals resulted in diminished strength. This show does not follow the book at all, so it is possible that Rand heals Moraine. But I don't think she is stilled else she could lie, and she told Rand that she could not lie for him.
I haven't read the books, but I kinda feel Rand got shorted on his finale scene. If he had been the one to take out the trolloc army, that would have been super cool to see. I get the feeling the show might be trying to stay away from the white savior trope though.
The whole series was basically white for the most part. Aiel were redheads and further books did have far away lands. Two rivers was isolated town for thousands of years. Unless each block only married within that block it would be homogenous. The producers and especially this Rafe idiot are just inserting todays ideology and diversity quotas. Rand did kill the trollocs in the book.
Yeah I get that. They wanted to give all the characters a moment. Rand did get a big moment, but it didn’t come through that way to the audience. Ultimately a failure in execution.
@@fy4b230 That was my issue, Rand's one feat of channeling where he took out the bad guy was very underwhelming. But on the other hand, the visuals of the trolloc army being defeated was hella cool. And the showrunners decided to take that away from Rand. Hopefully in season 2 they let him redeem himself.
@@Concepcion30 yup. Exactly.
I try to shut out my book mind when watching this adaptation. So I understood what they were going for…5 women channeling together with 1 of the women being Nyaneve who is basically the equivalent of a nuke in magic power take out the army and Rand, the DR, takes out what is supposed to be the Dark One/Big bad. Even though the dark one tossed Moraine aside like a puppet and seemed to be playing with Rand, although I loved his smirk they showed when Rand “disintegrated” him..it just felt underwhelming.
I liked how they foreshadowed future parts of the series with that dream sequence “battle” where Rand had to decide between what future he wanted, but it took away from showcasing his actual power and since we haven’t seen much of his power up to this point it came off as, again, underwhelming.
I think they had the right idea with what they were trying to portray, just really bad execution. Easy fix would’ve been Rand chipping in to help the women, unknowingly when he unleashed his power on the dark one. They even foreshadowed that he would have to “defeat the dark one” to save his friends and fal Dara from the trolloc army by Moraine straight up telling him that lol. Missed opportunity.
They made a right choice to give a trolloc army nuking to someone else. In the books Rand carried finale solo. He defeated bad guys, teleported to battle and nuked trollocs, defeated main bad guy in lightsaber duel. It was confusing and extremely epic in the same time but other characters were basically doing nothing. The TV show isn't Rand driven as much as first book because they decided to follow later books which have a lot of different main characters so they had to give some finale moments for other characters. Also, minor spoiler, Rand is going to get some other moments to display his insane nuking powers very soon so overall for TV Rand's arc it should do better with this change.
The decision was right but execution was a disappointment of course. While scene of temptation was very good I felt like finale ass blasting of Dark One was somewhat lacking. Maybe it's intentional because it isn't exactly victory but it should invoke some emotions other than "that's all?"
I have been waiting for this explanation. I have been heavily invested in this show, especially since I watched all of the Witcher in one sitting
same xD
Too bad the show is ass…I read these books 30 years ago and continue into my 40s
@@Skabanis I am curious did you dislike it because of the book inaccurate stuff or was it for something else? OR both?
Enjoyed the show for what it was. Having a non reader wife to watch it with helped a lot though, put it in perspective. She loved the season and is now going to start reading the books with the show.
Only episode that I thought was pretty weak was the season finale unfortunately.
Didn’t mind any of the changes, until a couple in the finale. And even those changes weren’t bad persay, it was the execution.
I’m very invested in the next 3 seasons though because the books they will be adapting are the strongest collection of 4-5 books of the series imo. So I’ll hold my judging of this adaptation for those seasons.
This season was the hardest book for them to adapt imo. EoTW, although a good book, is one of the sloppiest and weakest books of the series. Even Jordan has stated that.
@@fy4b230 for me it was the same thing the season finally was a dot for me compared to the other episode
Up until Rand was revealed as the DR, I was ok with the sidelining. It was clear they were deliberately trying to draw attention away from him with the whole "one of the five of you" gimmick. But the reveal has happened now (also in a very anticlimactic way), and the DR channeling a Sa'angreal against a top-tier Forsaken should have been epic in scale, not a pretty green light. There were battles in the book with two other Forsaken that could have also been done nicely on screen, but they weren't even there. All the shock value reversed deaths in the first season will come back to bite them later, too, because it's tough to take any deaths in the show seriously now. This episode fell really flat.
What reveal?
What happened to the Amyrlin Seat and a parade of Aes Sedai riding to Fal Dara? That was where Siuan met the girls and knew Rand was the Dragon. Lots of fucked up holes in the story.
Bit of a correction, Ishamael didn't "leave behind" the cuendillar , it was broken out of the cracks on the floor after rand channeled.
The show prioritized messaging over telling a solid coherent story. The sad part is all Rafe had to so was pick the parts of the book he liked and thought would fit into 8 episodes. Instead he re wrote the story and intentionally changed damn near everything to "fix and modernize" the story. Go read Rafe's twitter feed about WoT for all the details.
Taking the books out of the equation, the WoT series lore contradicts itself. What is said in one episode is contradicted in another. Pure lazy writing. What I want to know is where did the 100 million dollars go?
Classic story when a book writer who spent years or even decade building the story and characters, then come a aspired egomaniac new writer who think he is smarter that he actually is, and fix someone that is not broken in the first time
The 100M definitely didn't go into the CGI or post production for the trolloc army in the last episode. Embarassing and blatant use of bad lighting to hide an unfinished product
Right on! The show was horrible!
Another beloved piece of art $#it on by wokeness. When will this end?
Never read the books but stopped watching the show at episode 6. I can say I gave it a good try but it's garbage.
The problem with this show, similar to many, is that as a viewer you never really buy what they’re trying to sell. Heard a good quote on another review “yeah! You believe Moiraine is stilled for as long as you believed Yennifer can’t do magic (Witcher), that is…… for half a second.” Fake deaths and resurrections, massive power with no training etc. just destroy the world building you are trying to accomplish. This creates frustration from both non book readers (what the hell are the rules of this world?) and book readers (WTF?).
It would be easier to buy what they're selling if they didn't reverse consequences every five seconds. They're going to do it again - they killed off a bunch of characters at the end of the season that are cast for the next
@@MichaelBarnathan at least we can look forward to the inevitable: person loses their powers, becomes sad, faces challenges, learns humility from their “suffering” and becomes a better person when their powers are restored……. Arc. 🤣
A lot of lazy writing. Why seemingly kill characters off if they just come back? It cheapens and diminishes it when someone actually dies in the show.
Not really lazy writers, more like insanely rushed writers. They had to re-write everything on the fly after Mat’s actor simply didn’t return after the Covid break when they returned to shoot eps 7-8. Considering this insane curveball, and Amazon’s complete lack of flexibility with delays, I think they did a decent job.
@@anaw2579 Sorry but that only impacted his and Perrin's part in the last episode. I don't see what covid had to do with the whole linking thing that was a complete mess. Rafe stated that they wanted to give the girls something to do since Rand does everything at the end of the first book.
But they have sidelined him all season while hyping the DR as the raging sun..and then they took it away from him? They could have had the girls help out in a reasonable way.
@@bluelight17 They had to change the whole battle scene because of Covid, no stunt actors as Trollocs were allowed
@@tbakke125125 I know, that wasn't a problem even if it looked really bad. But they could have made changes so that it would at least make sense. Have the girls help out in the fortress, lessen the number of trollocs...that circle killing 15/20 thousands trollocs, something that not even an overpowered Rand, the DR, did was a mess.
So much was good, but I agree the killing off characters (or seemingly) only to resurrect them was a low point.
I haven’t read the books so I didn’t have that lens going in. The show has so much potential but it did lack in several ways for me.
Pros-
Casting
Acting
Set design
Costumes
Cons-
Editing
Pacing
Plot
Incongruous details on the magic system
Haha. So basically you like the cast and set teams but hate the writers, directors, editors, & producers. Seems about right. If you read the books you could also add that there was nothing from the books in the shows and that the changes to the diverse and inclusive world that Robert Jordan created was subverted so Rafe and the Amazon execs (@jsalke) could do exactly what they promised and push identity politics first and foremost in their programming. Wait til LOTR comes out. It’s gunna be the worst.
I read the books. I thought the casting and acting was pretty good but I really thought the costumes and set design was very poor. Like Legend of the Seeker, poor, like on par with Xena, poor.
Wait until you read the books....you will do so.
I loved the show up until the last episode - and then there was so much divergence from the books that I couldn't see the point of. Don't get me wrong, I know the books are so long that it's impossible to not compress plot and characters in some way, but I like feeling it still makes sense in the world. I would have loved to see the Green Man, too! Maybe I'll like it more after Season 2 and the reasons for the divergence are shown.
You have a thousand years to prepare for the coming battle, and the best you come up with is a moderate sized wall with plenty of holes for the Trollocs to break into...
The greatest healers of the Age of Legends could bring someone back from the last sparks of life. This could be what Egwene managed. Still, I would think it more credible if it was the other way around, Nynaeve healing Egwene. A lot of things don't quite add up at this stage, but maybe next season things will improve.
Untrained... yeah. Just call her Rey Palpatine at this point. That's bad writing when you need to explain that the legends of the lore, after dedicating their lives to training... the very best could maybe bring back someone on their death bed.
But then Egwene, who has only used the One Power twice before, with her first time EVER healing with Saidar (which she doesn't even know the name of!) can resurrect, essentially. And you have to explain this to the comment section because... the series can't... like at all...
Wait? Making people perfect doesn't make for good tv? Who would thought...
I feel like the reason why she was able to was because Nyneave was not dead yet. The burn on her face was not as progressed as the others.
Egwene was never known for her healing skills that was Nynaeve, and further at this point in time they are like supposed to be second level characters.
@@Frostflame29 No, she is not known at all. It could be the Wheel making her do that to Nynaeve.
Rand is a powerful enough ta'veren to literally do that to people, where a person performs a feat that is never, ever repeated, and it never, ever is understood.
I wonder how enraged everyone will be if Rafe can manage to respect the source material and portray the Sean Chan properly - starting with how their culture puts a leash on their version of Aes Sedai, subjugating and enslaving them. But, with how Rafe has handled the first book, he’ll end up dropping the ball and further alienating people. What a fucking debacle, every bit as wretched as the Sword of Truth adaptation garbage that was Legend of the Seeker.
Tuon, the one and only character to be turned white..... Because a black slave owner is problematic.
Robert Jordan said it best when Rand was talking to Matt telling him that it’s best to leave storytelling to Thom because Matt keeps adding to and changing the stories. He says that the originals are better and he can’t do them justice like Thom. Maybe Rafe should have read the books so he knew Robert Jordan wouldn’t have approved this shite.
If you watch the bonus content on Amazon Prime, Rafe is a huge fan of the books, has been since he was a teenager. He explains why he had to make some changes, saying that a different media needs the story presented in a different way. Robert Jordan's widow, who was also his editor, seems to be on board with the path the showrunner is taking.
@@dalemoar3006 but where is the story? Everyone actually agrees that it’s too much to bring anything approaching a 1:1 portrayal of the books. But there isn’t a single scene from the books in the show. He’s changed the story completely. If that wasn’t enough to cancel Rafe from this project you can factor in all of the issues the story telling is creating on its own, like 5 untrained women defeating the largest army to ever decend on Tarwins Gap vs the camp full of trained Aes Sedai and warders getting trounced by a small army in the woods… or how Padan Fain ended up with the dagger and it wasn’t mentioned by Lan or Moraine that it was missing…. Or that stabbing Loial with it was a certain death sentence but we’ll for sure have him back next season because so far this season it appears that our main characters can keep dying but then get miraculously healed and are just fine. Rafe’s biggest accomplishment is making the final 3 on Survivor. If you really want to understand the motivations behind how this was handled look into Jennifer Salke and the agenda she has for Prime Video. She’s like the Sith Apprentice to Kathleen Kennedy.
This show can’t stand on its own merit let alone come close to doing justice to the one true source, Robert Jordan’s written word. It should be cancelled and go back on the shelf for 20 years until everyone forgets this attempt and the tech will be able to give us the actual story RJ wrote for a fraction of the cost. Or do a good animated adaptation, like Arcane did.
@@squiggs928 actually, I think the scene between Lan and Nyneve, after Rand and Morraine go into the Blight, was taken directly from the book. I realise a lot of things have changed from the books, but for me, it has been an amazing experience seeing the first 8 episodes. It's been years since I finished the series, and I'm enjoying seeing it brought to life on the screen. It's not perfect, but I will still take great delight in seeing the story unfold.
@@dalemoar3006 ya, some of the dialogue there was accurate. Not the scene tho. And far too early in the story for their relationship to be where it’s at. But they wanted it to be YA for the CW viewers.
To each his own I guess. You are liking the show and I disagree with you but you are respectful and so I shouldn’t try find ways to make you dislike it. Let’s call it there and still be friends. Lol.
@@squiggs928 I agree that some parts of the show are quite far off from the books, but I'm still liking seeing the characters, places, and all the effort that's been put into the costumes, music, and the cast. I'm glad we can agree to disagree.
I was somewhat enjoying the show untill the last episode. Goddamn they could have made a somewhat good ending but no, we had no time coherence in this episode and the plot just completely went to shit, we had 5 untrained girls take down 10000 trollocs meanwhile 8+ fully trained aes sedai couldn't handle an army of 100 men. Egwene cured Ninaeve from DEATH, something is really emphasized in the books that CAN'T happen, because she sad, besides that there are also a lot more of others inconsistencies.
Would the books allow someone to locally turn back time, so that it wasn't resurrecting ninaeve via healing but actually reversing time to before she died
I've seen a lot of OP healing be explained away as mini time inversion as against the ability to resurrect in other franchises
@@_Amit_Sunil That is kind of a thing that can/has happened in the books. There is an ability of the One Power called Balefire, which when used to kill someone, erases them from existence, and usually reverses actions they had taken in the few minutes prior. If they had killed someone in that time period, then that person will be brought back as if it never happened. But in the way that Egwene saved Nynaeve here, nothing really like that in the books.
I really like your theory about how Padan Fain got the dagger! I've absolutely loved this series, some obvious issues with the rewrites and filming restrictions around COVID in the last two episodes, but I am so glad that the team persisted and we still got a show. Would have loved to see the Padan Fain/Mat face off that would have called back to the very first episode....but maybe we will still see that in the future with new Mat?
I hate your theory about the dagger. Not because it’s a bad theory. Rather I hate it because a reason exists for us to have to speculate. These writers have no idea what their doing. Set ups are not paying off. Forget the books, they are contradicting their own lore. If they make it to a season 3 they will have no way to tie up all the loose ends they are creating. Not to mention they are going to need to try and incorporate at least something from the books. Which appears to be a difficult task when you don’t want to.
padan stole the dagger from tar valon with dark slaves. his theory is true. but dagger should dissolving anyone whom stabbed. but loial didnt.
I was thinking that could be the Dark Friend that helped him in Book 2 (don't want to say the name and spoil anyone) but I don't know why he'd be in Tar Valon.
After a start that didn't grab me, I really got into it. Haven't read the books yet but now I'm very tempted. I have concerns that they've already strayed pretty far away from the source material. But it does work as it is.... but will it continue to work throughout the series? Will the changes add up and destroy the essence of the source material?
as a book reader i have been really enjoying the show, and i started reading and re-reading the series in the mid 90s. but this is a different story. i think they are both fun but everything for the show depends on how they pull it together over time. i absolutely adore the books, i have had them for most of my life, but i won't crap on a re-imagining unless it is actually bad, and this show isn't bad.
@@kght222 indeed
It's hard to know. The end of the first book is a bit messy and doesn't really foreshadow much of what happens after. In terms of overall landmark plot moments they probably won't veer too much away from the books because the source material has some fantastic plots after book 1 which is a bit LOTR derivative.
@@kght222 super refreshing to see a fan accept a reimagining of their favorite story for what it is.
I just finished the first book because I felt the show was a bit rushed and did not understand this whole universe. Wanted more of course. While yes there are some extra details that add to the story, the first book was just an intro and some of my questions are still without answers. Will continue with the second as now I am even more curious. 🤣While the book is different, I totally get why things are not the same as in the books and so far I am still a fan of the show. looking forward to the next season to see how everything adds up in the series while I keep my journey with the books. Feels like I am reading the Manga before the actual anime.🤣
It's not lazy writing so much as arrogant writing, they think they know better than Robert Jordan how to tell this story. I fear their hubris will doom us all (from being able to see a good live action Wheel of Time).
I agree, some deviations could have really worked but they were under-developed, and honestly they didn't have the skill to do it.
@@LivyTravels can't speak to the deviations as I'm not a book reader. But much was underdeveloped. That much I agree with wholeheartedly.
Characters. Plot. Stakes. All undercooked. And to find out that Rand, the least developed and least liked of the five, was what all the fuss was about, well...
.......how very disappointing.
This could've been something special. Instead, the last episode made everything that came before it WORSE.
@@TheDeadlyefx Rand is probably the best character written in all the literature i've read. I'm hoping he gets better treatment in the upcoming seasons, and that they intentionally made him so dislikeable to make the "who is it?" drama more tangible.
@@TheDeadlyefx Rand is such a nice, naive guy in the first book, it annoys me how they made his whole personality about his gf.
@@bluelight17 can't speak to his book incarnation. But otherwise, yeah.
Anakin Skywalker just called. He wants his personality back.
Here is my prediction for season 2. They will continue to blow up ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that made the books good.
Thanks for the overview of who's who. Having never read the books I found it difficult trying to follow the overall gist of the story. I wasn't going to bother watching season 2 as it the last episode was such a mish-mash of information. I was frustrated more than anything. But I will give it another go after watching summary clip.
People are confusing episode 2 with season 2. Season 2 will hopefully be more "The Great Hunt" than "The Eye of the World' and have far less flaws.
I just finished season 1 and i got so much thing in my head just before i watched this video. I assumed that Moiraine would give up being an aes sedai thus breaking the bond with Lan. Egwene and Nynaeve would soon be aes sedai Mal being the warder of Nynaeve, and, in one point, Rand would be reunited with Egwene as the first aes sedai warder. Then, Perrin would join the Tuatha'an and meet a new girl (coz he deserves it). And lastly, Mat would ne imprisoned responsible in his evil action (obviously shown at the latter part of the last episode).
But i know the story is already set. And just i'm so excited what will gonna happen on the next season. I hope there will be more action scenes of the aes sadai using the one power. Sorry im talking so much, silly me.
Warning! Book Spoilers:
I think Moraine is fully stilled (and not just shielded as some people have suggested), and if true I think it's actually a clever way to handle adapting what I've seen as a major problem between book and show: Moraine being captured by the Eelfinn and disappearing for the better part of 8 books. This story line creates a number of issues with the show, but the one I was stuck on was there was no way they were going to remove Rosamund Pike, arguably it's biggest star and main character, for 2/3's of the series and then just have her re-appear 2 episodes from the finale.
However, if she's in fact stilled, it allows her character to remain fully in the story while nerfing her ability to be the magical warrior. This comes with the added benefit of being able to axe the entire Eelfinn/Aelfinn arc (or greatly minimizing it). Frankly, adapting the finns was going to be a _nighmare._ Removing them takes very little away from the overall story (there are plenty of other ways for Matt to get his powers), while avoiding having to dedicate precious screen time to what non-book readers will see as coming completely out of left field.
We learn that stilling can in fact be healed, and that women channelers who are stilled have diminished powers, just like Moraine after returning from the land of the Finns, so I think this could make a lot of sense. For a minute, I thought they might even have Moraine take over the role of Cadsuane Sedai, but since I've seen the suggestion (and in fact Rafe Judkins apparently had a Twitter convo with her about it) that Cadsuane should be played by Shohreh Aghdashloo I'm _firmly_ against that.
Not sure if you realized already, but when you said Elayne had already been cast you showed a picture of an actress with a drawing of Elayne. This actress is not the one cast as Elayne, the name of the actress actually cast is Ceara Coveney.
I've been rooting for the show and doing my best to enjoy it. Some stuff was really great but the last 2 episodes were painful. So many changes feel so unnecessary. I'll still be watching the 2nd season but my glass is half empty now.
Loved the show. Hated the finale. Still so excited for season two. Great video and I loved ur theory about the guard getting the dagger!
I thought the last episode was the weakest of all the episodes, although episode 1 was also rough. For a supposed last battle it was disappointing, so let's hope there is more coming. The writing is weak and the character development is lacking, it's hard to care about these characters when we didn't get enough time to. This season needed a few more episodes. Also, there's so much telling instead of showing.
Some of the changes are fine but most of the deviations from the book are too under-developed, like the dragon being a man or woman was a good change, it created a lot of tension between the characters but I think it needed more time to really work. Especially between Rand and Egwene.
I don't know why Rand didn't have more dreams leading up to the last episode, especially with Moraine telling them to tell her if anyone spoke to them in their dreams, would have been an excellent plot device but it was underused.
I could go on and on. I think I will give Season 2 a shot but I was very disappointed in this season.
I agree the last episode was a total disappointment. I literally finished all my work and settled down to watch the last episode but then after watching the last episode, I am literally regretting for wasting my time on this series.
My husband thinks that all five of them will be the key to defeating the dark one. They'll all have to work together. We haven't read the books so he's just speculating.
Yeah but this show is way off from books. Eye of the world book was very green…Jordan hits his stride with dragon reborn and shadow rising might be top five fantasy books ever written
@@Skabanis it seems a lot of shows deviated from the books or the original. Cowboy Bebop is one of them.
lol forget what u read in the books , anime ,etc . its all crap , the story always change when it turn into a series or movie
@@sdqsdq6274 - You comment is full of crap. Everytime they deviated from the books, anime, etc; it all turns to crap. Netflix Cowboy Bebop deviated so far from the anime, that it was not Cowboy Bebop, not even in the slightest. The Netflix Cowboy Bebop made the anime more realistic. Guess what, it will not be getting a 2nd season, it was canceled. When you deviate from the source material and put in your agenda, it becomes trash and stupid.
@@fourfurrypotatoes - The Netflix Cowboy Bebop should not even be called Cowboy Bebop. That is an entire different from the anime one. They should not even try ot adapt in this age, since the whole woke and inclusive garbage is included in most of the stuff they put out.
To me the show felt like the show runner read the book then proceeded to throw the book in the garbage... And then wrote the show 10 years later from what he remembered.
I was expecting one of the girls to be the Dragon Reborn with how much of a departure this entire series is from the source 😆
Stopped watching with Ep6. Couldn't stomach all the changes. The books tell a better story, than this 'modern' take. However, thank you for taking the time to go through this. Very insghtful.
Woke culture strikes again and rots what folks love for the sake of it. It's like the dark one is loose in this world and fucked with those writing/producing it just to confound us.
That was the best episode though.
How convenient, I literally just finished watching the last episode and I bump into this video
I’m more than certain when the prison was broken for the dark one it released him. He new that the dragon reborn had the power to break it so he edged him to do it. All parts of the puzzle fell right into his hands. So the dark one is now free.
The dark one is, absolutely, not free. There are several seals that hold the dark ones prison and this was probably one of them.
@@svartkaffe843 It's possibly this might be a change from the books and the seals don't work the way we expect.... but I wouldn't mind seeing a few more of those seals spread out all over. I hope you're right.
@@rustung1638 I haven't watched the series but I'm more than half way through the last book, so my show knowledge is not good. But I think it might've been something to do with the chains Ishamael mentions, Rand destroyed the seal and thus freed him.
I'm just curious to see how the show turned out, and based on all the changes and direction I can safely say that I'm absolutely not a fan.
If he were free, the world would be his. Kind of like Sauron getting the Ring.
Still have a bunch of seals to break. Lots of people are carrying them around the world yet.
My favorite show by far , it’s amazing
In my opinion a man whom Liandrin visits is Padan Fain. That's how he got a dagger.
Also, Ceara Coveney is casted as Elayne.
Nope.
I enjoyed season 1. Already re-watched parts of it, for the music and CGI details. The plot was easy enough to understand.
I didn't compare this to the books or Witcher series. I don't compare my home to my neighbor's and nitpick the differences.
Same. Agreed....The good far outweighed the patchy.
Arcane was a love letter, Rafe's non cannon WOT a hate you letter burned on the grave of Robert Jordan.
Because Arcane is actually made for mature audiences. It is fearless. The Wheel of Time in books and this show is YA. YA is always bad news, they take themselves so seriously like a 12 year old does.
@@rasalasblack the books are definitely not a YA
This video was exceptional. I subscribed.
Omg The whole time I thought Ishemael was the dark one. I have watched like 10 explanation videos and they all thought he was the dark one I believe
Maybe someone mentioned it and I missed it, but in ep. 3 (51 min. mark), the bartender tells you that Ishamael is not the dark one, but that was he last person who brought the dragon to the dark one?
At the end of the show we see Mat stay behind and then we see him at the city of the dead,did Mat go back there to get the dagger again,and did he gave the Dagger to the Peddler Padan Fain for money,,this is the only part that is confusing me,how did Padan Rain get the Dagger,it was suppose to be protected at the White Tower,and if it was still at the White Tower then why would Mat go back to the City of the Dead knowing the Dagger isn't there.I need to rewatch the show,maybe i missed something,and i understand why Moirraine only took Rand to meet the Dark one,first she didn't want the others to die,and second she thought Rand was the Dragon Reborn,but did she know using her powers against the Dark One she could lose them,,she looked shocked when the dark One took her Powers away,or is she doing that so Lan can live a normal life without her and he could be with that stubborn women Nynaeve,and can Moriaine get her powers back if shes not lying,and i don't think Moriaine should tell them Rand died,she should tell the truth that he just left,why put all his friends threw all that grief.
Read the books they are awesome. Better yet listen to them. On the other hand maybe you should not, all the changes will drive you nuts. I really don't see how they are going to relink and bring back characters. Poor Loyal is killed in the 1st season and he is going all the way to the last battle.
Nothing happened. It’s lotr without the battle scenes. Just Sam and Frodo walking for 8 episodes.
In the books there are 7 seals. The dark one just tricked them into breaking one.
I really get frustrated with people who didn't appreciate the show/complain because they thought it was going to be page for page exactly the same thing as the books. Why go into it expecting it to be, other than to set yourself up for disappointment? They said from the beginning that it was going to be very different. I feel like a lot of people let that ruin their experience in enjoying this really great show. In my opinion, I've watched it three times over and I still notice new/really clever details each time I do + I find it kept getting better and better the more I watched it. I think they did an amazing job. (Also let's all collectively appreciate the soundtrack)
"I'll save spoilers for the end."
Places a spoiler 40 seconds in.
There is so much wrong with this series that you can't predict what will take place in future episodes.
So many good moments have been left out and too many departures have been added.
I think Robert Jordan would be disappointed in how the righters screwed up his books.
Have you read all the books?
@Soham finishing the last book for the 2nd time. It angers me for what they did to the blacksmiths wife. It just sucks, she was his guide. O well, if people haven't read the books they want know the difference.
@@macguinn5563 hmm.
@@so_h_am seems like you doubt me
@@macguinn5563 No why would I? I never read a single book. I was just wondering. And Asking if it's worth to buy books rather than watching this series?
To everyone who is hating on the series because it's not as true to the books as you would like, I would point you to Jordan's own words: "The Wheel weaves what The Wheel wills". This show is just another turning of the wheel. It's not the same Pattern.
Right, because I'm sure WoT fans waited decades to not have the books adapted.
Can’t wait for season two I thought season one was great and looking forward to more
I was very impressed by the mom of Rand being pregnant and fighting like hell !
I think you missed the hint about how Fain got the dagger. Spoilers for book 2 below...
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Liandrin is revealed to be a darkfriend in book 2. Moiraine says to Liandrin in episode 6 that she knows Liandrin has been meeting with a man in North Harbour. This is also the same scene where Liandrin reveals that she knows about Mat. I think Liandrin had a meeting with Fain, got that information from him, and smuggled the dagger out of the tower to him.
Can you tell me who Moiraine was paired with at the end?
As some one who never read the books , I enjoy it not perfect.
boy your wrapped that video up quickly at the end there! didn’t get your usual in depth explanations about who/what those forces were at the end.
It was a painfully slow start but the end of the season was a lot of fun!
It was?
Agreed
The last episode was one of the worst reviewed tv episodes of all time lmfao
Very good summary!
This series was fun to watch, can’t wait for Season 2!!
Legit question.. how do you get past the plot holes and contradictions the show puts itself in? I can’t watch it. The writing is amateur at best.
@@squiggs928 What contradictions are you referring to, if I may ask?
@@Tomy-im8zl for sure. One example would be episode 4. At least 7 well trained Aes Sedai (along with all their warders) had a very difficult time fending off maybe 50 or so attackers yet in episode 8 a girl that was sent away from the tower because she couldn’t channel more than a flame (Annalise) and yet she was able to weave a link between 4 untrained channellers and wipe out an entire trolloc army (5 ties the size of the largest army every to enter Tarwins gap). Another example would be when Nynaeve blamed her hate for the tower on the fact that her mentor was supposedly turned away from the tower because she was poor yet the Amerlyn Seat is a poor girl from Tear.
There are other examples. It feels like the writers team doesn’t have someone on the payroll whose job it is to watch for continuity.
@@squiggs928 I hear you and I would like to answer it, but feel free to tell me if those answers do not satisfy you enough.
1) When the Aes Sedai were attacked in the forest, there is supposedly an army, so even though it might have felt like 50 soldiers we should probably assume there was at least 500, especially because their king was there.
2) There is also the element of surprise. They were attacked on many fronts, in a forest, and were not prepared at all, while against the trollocs, she had the time to prepare for the attack and it is also very much implied that she needed some preparation for this move.
3) Nynaeve is considered to have the strongest chanelle power/connection than any aes sedai and the other girl (forgot the name sorry) who also seems to have special powers was there so isn't it possible that Annalise was able to be that strong just because she had access to their powers? I mean we see that the white power coming out of those 2 girls was way thicker than the 2 other women there.
4) Regarding the Nynaeve blaming, the first time I heard it I felt like they were just gonna address that the reason for her mentor for not becoming an Aes Sedai was misleading so we could realize later it was not because she was poor, but another reason. Maybe she did not really want to leave her family, or she lied... and I felt like when they show Siuan’s story it aims at showing that her mentor was not rejected because she was poor. Unless they don't mention it in the following seasons, I would not call it a contradiction yet, I mean Nynaeve could just be mistaken/misled by her mentor.
I'm not saying this series was perfect, but I jut feel like as long as there is the possibility for a non contradiction hypothesis we should go for it because after all, it's still a fantasy/science fiction and not a documentary. But if you have others contradictions you'd like to bring, I'll gladly give my idea if you are interested.
@@Tomy-im8zl I absolutely love a respectful debate. Good on you for choosing to be respectful. I’m happy to engage. 🤪
1 & 2 together….. let’s say you are right and there were 500 attackers. The Aes Sedai set wards around their camp and they would have not been surprised. They said there were wards in the show but they wouldn’t have been a last second warning kind of thing from some of the most senior Aes Sedai in the tower. They also had a compliment of Warders. These are not men who get taken by surprise. Also, the editing of the show did not convey distances well enough. Where was the fight? It didn’t appear to be in the camp yet they were taken by surprise? And lastly… even with your suggestion that there were 500 soldiers…. The army of trollocs was at least 10,000 strong. Nynaeve even suggested 20,000…. These numbers don’t line up with the abilities of the participants.
3. Nynaeve is the strongest female channeled since the breaking. She is forsaken level. The problem with Annalisa is that she never learned to channel like this. The weaves she threw at the trollocs were extremely complicated. Well beyond the training she would receive as a novice. Not that the show bothers to require people know what they are doing with the magic.
4. This last one I suppose you could use this logic to explain it yet based on everything else in the show I suspect that they will just continue on and never bring that up again.
New stuff: why did Moraine take only Rand to the Eye. The only info she had to go on was him telling her that he is the dragon. Based on what? He can channel sure, but so can Nynaeve and Egwene… he didn’t have anything else to base his confirmation on. So why should she?
Do we really expect that a man like Lan, a battle hardened border lander who has been a Warder for 20 years travelling with Moraine, wouldn’t know that she had a tell? And how did Nynaeve track that tell behind an army of Trollocs who would have disrupted the trail and then there is the little issue of the trail entering Shadar Logoth. She somehow followed the trail into the city and then out the other side? How?
When Suian was a child she already knew how to channel? And her father let her take a 1000mile journey on her own because ‘a fish can’t touch the moon’? Another opportunity to make fathers look bad… kinda like what they did to Matt’s family (although that’s a book comparison and maybe shouldn’t be in this particular debate)
How did Padan again get the dagger? Last we saw in Episode 7 it was in Lan’s possession. The dagger is a huge plot device in the story. I’m lost as to its importance and delivery in the show.
What did episode 6 have to do with the show? The Amerlyn had a dream so they were going to throw 5 kids at the Dark One and hope that they were right? We needed an episode for that?
How did Padan Fain travel the ways when they clearly set it up that you needed to use the source to open it. Again on the Ways.. once the gate was opened, why could they not just reopen the gate to get Matt back. If Moraine thought he might be the dragon then they would have needed him. He got pissy so she just gave up on him? Seems like if she had been searching for the Dragon for 20 years and she had a Taveren in hand she wouldn’t walk away from him based on his snippy attitude.
Valda is a strong enough character to kill several Aes Sedai. How many rings were on his chain. Perrin gets free and he turns into an absolute pussy and then they don’t even give the kill to Perrin… Egwene gets the credit. The deviation from the books in this particular circumstance is really disheartening but I’ll let you read the books to get caught up on that one.
Sorry, I’m typing on my phone so I’m having a hard time going back and forth on your post. Let me know if I missed any of your points. 👍
I need me some more think story. Thanks for the review!!🥰😎
as i remember from books, the Dark One is constantly resurecting his "main gang".
Too high-fantasy, terrible pacing and the show doesn't do a very good job of conveying the story. I appreciate the ending explained though but it's not clicking with me.
Take a look at the necklace on Egwene neck. That looks like the necklace Moraine gave her for her first channel. Am I wrong? But you can see the One Power coming through the necklace and getting amplified.
Thanks for watching it for me. I'm not surprised that they deviated from the books, just FURIOUS. F Beezos.
Why are you furious about that? So far it is actually working.... But it is a gamble.... It could lose it's way down the road....You always still have the books for the original storylines.
Rand is not going to Caemlyn, they did not want to spend so much money to build it for season 1 so no chance they will do it for season 2 with even less of a reason to build it. Caemlyn becomes a bigger part of the story about half way through the series. Elayne will be introduced at the White Tower where she will meet Egwene and Naynaeve and become friends. The only difference is she will not have met Rand yet, which is no big deal.
Agree I struggle to see Rand going to Caemlyn, in fact why would he go anywhere there are people now given how he left at the end of season 1? He also can't go to the Tower now that he can channel. So perhaps he meets Elayne in episode 8 of next season, though may be he never spends any show time with her.
Totally wrong.... Have you seen the behind the scenes look at the world building?.... This is by far the most expensive series Amazon has aired to date...... Huge investment in practical sets and more to come.
@@ramspencer5492 Considering Rafe already stated they skipped Caemlyn in the first season do to cost, there is no way he would build Caemlyn for the second season when it isn't even in the second book. They will build Caemlyn when they will use it for multiple episodes, so dont expect to see it for a few years.
Or doesn't matter if it is the biggest budgeted show to date, LOTR will dwarf WOT, it doesn't mean they have an unlimited budget to spend $5 mill to build a city for 15 min of screen time, that's why they completely rewrote the story to avoid the cost of building Caemlyn in the first season. Rafe was not given a blank check to do anything he wants, he couldn't get the 10 episodes he fought hard for or to get am extra 15 min in episode 1 or 10 min in episode 6 and 7 so he didn't have to cut out so many scenes and create poor pacing.
But thanks for telling me I am completely wrong when all if the facts clearly indicate you are the one that is wrong.
@@shaneducholke364 they're changing it so much they may not follow the books in a linier way at all.... That could be really problematic.... Or it might work if you don't compare the two that closely.... I said biggest budget by far too date.... I'm not excited about LOTR potentially..... But they have much less source material. So without some really good writers is be be left wanting.
@@shaneducholke364 oh. Ok.... Gotcha I didn't catch that he said that. Makes sense
I went into this knowing that if they did 22 episodes per season, they could only really do justice to the books in at least 10 seasons. With only 8 episodes per season, there was no way for that to happen. So I sent aside most of what I knew from the books and tried to just watch it as its own thing. It still felt rushed and there are a lot of things I knew at the end of the first book that I "don't know" at the end of the first season, and some things I know at the end of the first season that I didn't know at the end of the first book.
It seems to me that show runners would do a better job if they stopped trying to make each episode some grand, sweeping, effects-laden mini-movie so they could produce more episodes per season. They drop so much character development for the sake of spending large amounts of money on effects and that has a negative effect on the story itself. I can sink more into the story if I better understand the characters and the situations they're in than I can if there are just some spectacular visuals.
Try to watch GOT with the same viewpoint. How did they do a show before the series was completed?
@@alwaysopen7970 I did watch GoT before reading the books, which I haven't started yet because I want him to finish the darned thing first. Brandon Sanderson is an excellent writer but I wish I had seen Robert Jordan's ending.
Started with the show, which is good, following up with the audiobook in progress which will no doubt turn out better as a story
But what I think some critics of this show and other shows like the Mandalorian fail to grasp is that you have to limit the show (episode counts, episode lengths, effects and expenses) if you are marketing some thing to compete with the other Netflix priced streaming services, otherwise your one show would cause the monthly service cost to jump to $50-100 or more in a market where half the audience expects to pay less than $9.99/month.
The issue is not that they had to limit, cut out, or change details. It's that the writing is bad. The world is not internally inconsistent and they have made changes which are FUNDAMENTAL to the story. The show has failed to explain why the dragon is to be feared because they did not want to explain the difference between the male and female half of the source. It's so bad that they actually said that Dragon was supposed to submit to the source to be able to control it. In the books that's how women control their half of the source, if a man does that he will be instantly killed.
I find the first season a disappointment. Right now I don't know what to expect with the omissions, changes and additions. The first season hinted at Perrin's wolf world, but omitted Elyas. He not only introduced Perrin to the wolf world, but also shows Perrin that he doesn't have to lose himself in it. Changing how the waygates are opened using the one power, means only channelers can use the ways, which were originally made for the Ogiers, who don't use the one power?? The last episode was very disappointing. Egwene doesn't know anything about healing. Loial and Uno( the guard with the patch) dying?? In the books, Loial is there at the last battle and Uno accompanies Rand in the hunt for the horn and dagger. In the books only the dark one can resurrect anyone.
Agelmar too, and unlike the other two, I don't think the show will bring him back. The problem with all these shock value deaths (they did it in episode 4 too) is that it lowers the stakes when other characters die. Especially at the end of a season.
This. At one point later on, when Rand is being badass with a certain artifact, he tries to resurrect someone with horrible results. If Rand can't do it with one of the most powerful artifacts ever made, how the heck does EGWENE?
I liked the first season a lot. I loved the books but I completely forgot how it went. So, I think it helped.
Same I read them years ago and remember very little, so I don't care about changes much haha, I think we are a key part of the target audience.
Yeah. I think the problems most people had with it, wasn't in the show itself, but in the extreme changes from the source material. I can understand the concern, because it ends up being an entirely different story.... And not for the better. We'll see.
I think Mat stayed behind because he saw the cannons he will use in the last battle and is moving them so season 2 can begin with the opening of Tarmon Gai'don as Amazon doesn't have enough money to tell the real story.
Where did Mat see the cannons he can't fathom until he meets Altruda and realizes what her fireworks are capable of?
@@alwaysopen7970 this show doesn't follow the actual story line.
I didn't read the books and the show got interesting near the end, of course its always a climax as you near the season finale. The first few episodes I found hard to watch but I understand it has to build the characters and the universe of the story...I hope season 2 would have more exciting episodes in my opinion.
What if the girl at the end of the episode standing on the shore could be a super powerful channeler who can stop the tsunami created by the invading channelers forces? May be she is the next dark one. And what a proper way of show casing her as indestructible against all odds like the way they showed the dragon survived as an infant.
The Seanchan aren't seen until Rand does Avienda in the igloo. The Sea Folk are more prominent than they and are begrudgingly befriended by some Aes Sedai in slight manner.
Thank you for explaining all of this
I really hope theres more to come after season one, but to me after nearly every episode ending with a bang I thought the ending was seriously dull, it doesn’t look like the hanger for another season to me, so I will be surprised if they can match what they did with the way this series began in the next because the dark one is at bay for another 3000 years who are they fighting next season? The far western iso dye ? Who tsunami single children on beaches? Yea
A crime against the fantasy genre.
Ending explanation:
This show is Rafe Jundkins disrespectful fanfic of the Wheel of Time and any resemblance with the original is just a coincidence.
Love it~~Can't wait for season 2
Hey Think Story, have you considered making a explained video about the episodes of Dan Brown’s The Lost Symbol? :) hehehhe
This is the kind of content break down I would like to see. Wot Up focuses too much on his personal issues with his disdain of too much CGI or if the show veers too much from the books. He is a bit of a book snob. More youtubers should put less of their feelings and more on talking about the show in general like this.
Please make a video about Titane, this is the perfect movie to explain in this channel :)
They need to go into more detail on what what channeler can do what. It was an awesome show, have a very Game of Thrones meets Lord of the Ring Feel.
Sangue Real royal blood; San grael - Holy Grail. Depends on how you split up the term.
I watched like 5 episodes before i stopped. I noticed that in every episode nothing interesting happened until the last like 10 minutes of the show.
Late to the party here, but I feel as many here do, that Rafe and friends only had a limited time to tell a whole bunch of story and wasted most of it making up plot details that only detracted from the story Jordan was telling, which for the first 5 are some of the best fantasy anywhere. With the deaths, what I'm wondering if this is the writers' entree into the use of balefire, which (canon) undoes events that happened before its use (the more you use, the further back its use undoes time). With Loial and Perrin dead (I thought also with Moiraine being stilled or shielded till you brought up next season's plot arc were (canon) she visits the retired but scholarly Adeleas and Vandene) a way to undo all of that was for Rand or someone to discover and use lots of balefire. Although he'd have to learn and use it pretty quick. Please the Creator, they'll get back to telling the story Jordan actually wrote for the second season!
I reached the 12th book last week and all I can say about the tv series is : SAD.
-> They didnt explain the male and female half of the one power.
-> And why would Moraine take Rand to face the Dark Lord as soon as she finds out. Would you throw a teenage boy who doesnt even know how to use the Saidin, who the whole world is dependent on, to the Dark lord without any training and preparation?
-> She gives her angreal for him to use. Completely beats the whole point. A male chaneller cannot use the angreal of female chanellers. And because men have been banned from chanelling male angreals are hard to find.
-> Introduction of Travelling. Moraine travels to siuan sanche for their "making love" scenes. Any sort of travelling is unknown otherwise why would Moraine bring them, on horseback, from 2 rivers instead of just making a gateway?
-> Creating this confusion that Egwene could be the Dragon reborn. The Dragon Reborn will be a man because the Dragon was a man and because of his fight against the Dark one, the male half of the power was currupted. Thats why the Dragon reborn is destined to go mad as he will wield the tainted saidin.
-> Not giving the whole story as to why the Dragon fought the Dark one. He was not ambitious or corrupted. They were losing the war. This was the last attempt to seal his prison. If not for this they would all have lost. The women didnt help them and they lost because of it. If the women had helped it wouldnt have been 100 male chanellers against the dark one. And women can link and increase their power but men cant. Men can only link if there are some women involved. Because the women backed out the men fell weak.
Oh I can go on and on and on. W0ke culture really really messed this up. If anyone has read Robert Jordans books he has given equally important roles to the men and women. If men have more power then they have a weakness. They cant link. wheras women can giving them equal if not a better footing. The entire plot would have collapsed if each charachter hadnt done what was necessary, whether it be men or women.
Edit: Also, Last and the most egregious. They killed LOIAL!!!!! and Padan fain killed him with the dagger. that dagger absolutely rots the person and the person marked by it dies horribly. Becuase Loial was killed by that dagger, he cant be brought back( even if the writers do some wierd bs).
This shows that the person writing the script doesnt know shit about the book.
Sad to kill Loial, but just as well. The depiction of Ogier in this was a disgrace. Maybe they realized it.
@@rrice1705 Exactly. But they need to get the Ogiers anyways. Because they are so important to the storey.
Also, Loial is the writer of the Last Battle. He was in the key plotpoints. They enter waygates because of him. so much more. Spoiler restrictions stop me.
Happy New Year
Thank God the creators of this show chose to do this instead of Conan!
I haven't read Wheel of Time. But it seems diverse and inclusive. But they've made even more woke choices in this show.
Because we're in the 21st Century and creative casting decisions have more justifications for "Whose right for the role" and not "Matching up to one person's imagination." WOT has tons of unique cultures and it makes me cringe what people in the 90s would have tried to do if it were to whitewash everywhere. XD
I don't understand all the complaining about wokeness. I've been through the books several times and would have been surprised if they whitewashed the show as much as the book was. The casting was great. It doesn't follow close at all but it's a decent story, there wouldn't be enough time or money to recreate all the detail of the story. Some changes I think work better than in the book.
I loved the book series, started it when there were only 2 available, then spent years waiting for each subsequent book. I wasn't able to watch this series, and to be honest I didn't want to - the trailers didn't give the impression that it would do the books justice. Having watched this video, I'm glad I haven't seen the series. Fair enough that the story needed to be condensed, but to change events and mess with the story to that extent shows zero respect to Robert Jordan's legacy.
I am going to re-read the books though 😁
First up, Rafe Judkins has come out and said that Loial isn't dead.
Though it's not clear in the show, Nynaeve isn't dead, she was just badly hurt from over channeling. Burnout level 4 vs. Level 5, which is what happened to the others. That was the crew description of it.
Pretty sure Paden Fain got the dagger from a certain dark friend encountered in Tar Valon. Don't wanna spoil it for non-book readers.
While it's not perfect, I have to cut the showrunners some slack. Having to deal with COVID and losing a star part way through filming must have been a nightmare.
I think Perrin has as supposed to help Lan track down Moiraine and Rand in the Blight and Mat would have confronted Fain at Fall Dara. Also, the battle would have probably been much better without COVID restrictions forcing them to do rushed CGI.
Which star did they lose part way through the filming?
@@clickycrust matt
@@clickycrust Yeah matt thats why he wasnt in the last two episodes
I've been completely engrossed in the series and am eager for Season 2. I'm hopimg the poor editing will be addressed and corrected: first season jitters and Covid-19 could explain this season's poor editing🙏🙏, The acting, costumes and scenes have been outstanding
It can’t explain the writing or disrespect of the source material though…..
@@squiggs928 but no adaptation is an exact rendering of the book! LOTR, DUNE, FOUNDATION. NARNIA, COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO, 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA. 3 MUSKETEERS. Not even the Hobbit or Harry Potter series. None of these books are chapter or verse exactly as written. It would not be visually possible or practical. As long as the SPIRIT of the story is maintained. That's why it's called 'adaptation.'
@@carolbriscoe9337 Nice. Your use of all caps and then how you cleverly insinuated that I don’t understand English was very effective. I’ve definitely got a better understanding of the type of person on the other end of this one.
Please tell me who ever said we needed or should have gotten a 1:1 adaptation? Nobody. Of course changes need to be made. But the thing is, all the examples you gave DID* give us a faithful adaptation. This has not once been true to the characters Jordan wrote. And even if you take the books out of it you are left with a show that needs a lot of help in writing and producing. The contradictions they are creating that they will need to fix is getting longer and longer. Add in Amazon is forthright in their drive for more ideological content. Their CEO of entertainment is the Sith apprentice to Kathleen Kennedy. Rafe has said he is changing the content to reflect his version of what the world should look like. He is open about this. He’s threatened to turn Perrin and Lan gay to piss off a fan of the books. Yes the guy was an asshole but Rafe is supposed to be a professional and when they knew what he was doing and Amazon backed it they should have been prepared for the shitstorm they were going to call on themselves.
Try watching any of your examples again and tell me how many things in each you can trace directly back to the written word. If it’s anything more than the names of characters or places then you’ll have proved my point.
Hey are you going to do a yellow jackets 🐝 breakdown?
I liked the show very much, it goes to show there's still interest out there to see a new type of Epic Fantasy. You're right, it's light when it comes to lore and world building, but strong on characters and production value. I'm sure there was a lot to consider and while us book fans can't have everything it's just great to see an adaptation that's taking it time get up off the grounds and most definitely improve for further seasons. Ignore the haters as they're not contributing to anything meaningful but bitch and moan.
Interesting. So only lovers of the show and their opinions count?
I really like your recaps
Great review thanks. I was wondering who that black guy was at the end(stole the box)
Ishamael is not met until 3rd book, Dragon Reborn :
1. Balthamel killed by the Green Man near Eye of the World.
2. Aginor killed by overusing the One Power at Eye of the World.
3. Belal killed by Moiraine with balefire in Stone of Tear.
4. Ishamael killed by Rand with Callandor in Stone of Tear.
5. Asmodean captured by Rand in Rhuidean.
6. Moghedien captured by Nynaeve in Tel'aran'rhiod.
7. Lanfear falling trough the Eelfinn door with Moiraine at Cairhien.
8. Rahvin killed by Rand with balefire in Caemlyn.
9. Asmodean killed in Caemlyn, likely by Graendal.
10. Aginor and Balthamel resurrected as Osangar and Arangar respectively.
11. Lanfear returning as Cyndane.
12. Ishamael resurrected as Moridin.
13. Moghedien rescued by Arangar.
14. Moridin mindtrapping Moghedien & Cyndane
15. Sammael killed in Shadar Logoth by Mashadar.
16. Osangar killed near Shadar Logoth by Elza with Callandor.
17. Semirhage captured by Rand's companions in Altara; this one comes from the Encyclopaedia site, not from actual reading.
Ishamael is met by the three Ta'Veren in the "dreams" during first three books.
You did not mention what book Moraine's story will be taken from.
I enjoyed the first season more than I thought I would. However I don't like the idea that people who die or are dying (like Lan bleeding out after Stepin attacked Logain) can be revived or "fixed". It takes the tension out of it. Feel like plot armor is a little too thick. Killing off main characters and smartly subverting expectations, like the early season of Game of Thrones, makes for a more interesting series. Hope I don't see too much more of this in season 2.
This is how media is made nowadays. Marvel resurected literally half of all people (which anyone with a brain knew was going to happen) and people praised them for it. Just watch 90s movies or movies made by people over than 50.
How many times in a season can you play the fakeout death card?