This was a nice video. Thanks for sharing. Just installed the Chhamberlain RJ070 and very happy with it. Has same controller as yours. I like the way it slows down at both ends of open and close to ease things a bit. Super quiet and works great with the motion sensing light and MyQ app.
I just placed an order for this unit through Northshore Door. The only accessory I am adding is the remote keypad. The reason I decided on this model is the fact it comes with a remote light that can be mounted after the door opener is in place, and the old unit is removed. I have had an Overhead Door chain drive unit since I bought the house new about 20 years ago, and it has been nothing but trouble over the years.
Most times it's the door that makes all the noise and not the opener. If you keep the shaft and gears lubricated properly, the chain drives are just as quiet as the belt drive units.
I have attic access above the garage...so running outlets to the two new openers was fairly easy. When I installed one of these at our last house, it was a bit more difficult, but took some luck with a fish tape.
Just ordered one, as my vintage 1998 liftmaster receiver stopped working. A nice feature of this design is it works for doors heights larger than 7 feet without having to buy a $50 track extension kit (since there is no track). The new design will put extra stress on the tension cables as they are now used to lift the door, but that seems like a reasonable trade-off for a much simpler design and the elimination of the track. The next generation design needs to eliminate the springs, which wear out and break in a precariously dangerous fashion.
You are right about how quiet jack shaft openers are. I just installed a Chamberlain RJO20 (are they owned by the same company?- seems identical) and in the master bedroom, above the garage, you can barely hear it. The loudest noise is from the deadbolt slapping against the rail as it snaps shut. No more massive rumble resonating from my old Whisper Drive" (ha!) traveling up through the support bars to the joists to the bedroom floor! I did have to install a repeater for my auto's Homelink system because they changed the system in 2006 and I’ve got a 2004. The "learning" function is so easy; no more climbing ladders- you can do it from the wall controller. Took me 8 hours, and I’m UNhandy. -Could have done it much faster if I’d just used the old electric eyes and all the old in-place bell wire.
I’m interested in purchasing the wall mount Liftmaster garage door opener and noticed your comment was posted 3 years ago. Wondering if there have been any issues?
10/10 the older one because they were built much better. the the 8500 is off balancing the door while it rises while the overhead 1265 distributes the force evenly. its a balance
Positives: - silent - extra security with deadbolt - no overhead garage door motor - easy installation - easy to program new remotes (via entry way keypad) - came with internet gateway so I can use app to monitor/control garage door Cons: - pricey (but you get what you pay for) - door opening/closing speed is slower than traditional
I've still had 0 issues with my 3 different side mounts (3 different doors) over the past 6+ years. The benefits of overhead clearance and SILENCE far out weighs the price, IMO.
Having the center unit does provide support to the door at the center in the lifted position. The sidewinder has not support for the center of the door. Does the door sag at all with just the sidewinder ?
Welp...... I've been using this model opener for over 6 combined years, not one issue. I certainly understand your frustration with poor customer service. Hang in there....👊
There is still a torsion spring above the door, which assists lifting the door. Liftmaster makes a battery backup for this opener, but even if you don't have that, there's s manual disengage which then allows you to open the door manually.
Yes, I just installed two LiftMaster 8500 GDOs this weekend and the Cable Tension Monitor in this video is not installed correctly. It's "upside down", because it was installed on the right side and the default is the left side. There is a note on page 10 of the installation manual, step #4, before all of the other instructions, that states " NOTE: The cable tension monitor is shipped for left side installation. It is recommended that the cable tension monitor be installed on the same side of the door as the garage door opener. For right side installation, remove the snap-ring holding the roller in place and reassemble it on the opposite side of the cable tension monitor." LiftMaster has an installation video that clearly shows how this is done when installed on the right side.
Ojb 1959 I do not have a battery backup, sorry. We have a backup generator for the house, so it wasn't a consideration when purchasing the opener. Thank you for viewing.
Might be more dangerous without all that.... That's the lift assistance to the door. Without that, you wouldn't be able to lift the door due to the weight.
They do NOT recommend jackshaft operators with doors that when fully open have little or no natural tendency to drop from fully open at the start because when fully open they are laying flat. These panel doors hang from the cables.. With a trolley opener the door is physically attached to the opener mechanism with a chain or belt.. connected with the trolley arm. The trolley opener pushes the door. This jackshaft opener relies on gravity to close the door. Jackshaft openers should only be used with high wall and "follow a vaulted ceiling" track installation. Your install is prone to cable unwrap when the opener begins to rotate the jackshaft and the door doesn't start moving, the cables come off the pulleys.
Ok....I have had 3 of these openers over the past 6 years or so (all on different doors, 1 at our first house, 2 on each garage door at our current house)....never had any of those issues you speak of.
@@chovis38 that is why there is a cable tension monitor. A high lift or vaulted door track doesn't need a monitor. It all depends on how easily your door wants to begin moving down. Remember... the only connection the door has to the jackshaft is the cables. There are loads of reviews where people had all kinds of issues with the cable tension monitor because when the motor starts, if the door doesn't start dropping on it's own, the cable goes slack and trips the unit.. You must have a well installed door with a tendency to drop on it's own... that is the best scenario. I am in the process of selecting doors and openers. I had a pro tell me to only use jackshaft style openers if your door drops on it's own from full open. He recommended to only use them on high lift and ceiling hugger doors for best results. Glad yours work. Guy on another video had his cable come off
There's no sag at all. The ceiling mounted center garage door opener doesn't really support the door at all, when opening, it pulls the door at the top center. The spring loaded torsion bar at the top of the door is connected to the bottom right and bottom left side of the door, evenly opening and closing the door. The torsion bar really does all the lifting.
I just recieved this response from a pro installer with his own business... I said to him no wonder it has a cable monitor. He responded.. It monitors. But doesn’t stop anything when the cable comes off and the door drops. As the operator controls the springs. Cables connect to the door.... cables gone.... door comes down like a guillotine. I replace em all the time. Doors and ops. I e made a million dollar business out of it. Some people swear by em.... I will not allow my company to do it unless there’s high lift to the door.
Wow, great video...best comparison I've seen. Thank you for taking the time to do it.
OMG this is what I have been waiting for. Great demo thx. What a difference
Insane amount of difference! Wicked demo dude
This was a nice video. Thanks for sharing. Just installed the Chhamberlain RJ070 and very happy with it. Has same controller as yours. I like the way it slows down at both ends of open and close to ease things a bit. Super quiet and works great with the motion sensing light and MyQ app.
Thank you for the unique side by side comparison!!
To quiet it up, use polymer rollers. The metal ones make the creaks and the polymer ones are far quieter
Marek Appliance Repair Co. How wide is the motor box
Where do you get the polymer rollers?
I just placed an order for this unit through Northshore Door. The only accessory I am adding is the remote keypad. The reason I decided on this model is the fact it comes with a remote light that can be mounted after the door opener is in place, and the old unit is removed. I have had an Overhead Door chain drive unit since I bought the house new about 20 years ago, and it has been nothing but trouble over the years.
Most times it's the door that makes all the noise and not the opener. If you keep the shaft and gears lubricated properly, the chain drives are just as quiet as the belt drive units.
I have attic access above the garage...so running outlets to the two new openers was fairly easy. When I installed one of these at our last house, it was a bit more difficult, but took some luck with a fish tape.
Just ordered one, as my vintage 1998 liftmaster receiver stopped working. A nice feature of this design is it works for doors heights larger than 7 feet without having to buy a $50 track extension kit (since there is no track). The new design will put extra stress on the tension cables as they are now used to lift the door, but that seems like a reasonable trade-off for a much simpler design and the elimination of the track. The next generation design needs to eliminate the springs, which wear out and break in a precariously dangerous fashion.
Hey, you got a package. Don't forget it!!!
You are right about how quiet jack shaft openers are. I just installed a Chamberlain RJO20 (are they owned by the same company?- seems identical) and in the master bedroom, above the garage, you can barely hear it. The loudest noise is from the deadbolt slapping against the rail as it snaps shut. No more massive rumble resonating from my old
Whisper Drive" (ha!) traveling up through the support bars to the joists to the bedroom floor! I did have to install a repeater for my auto's Homelink system because they changed the system in 2006 and I’ve got a 2004. The "learning" function is so easy; no more climbing ladders- you can do it from the wall controller. Took me 8 hours, and I’m UNhandy. -Could have done it much faster if I’d just used the old electric eyes and all the old in-place bell wire.
LiftMaster and chamberlain is the same company, chamberlain is DIY, LiftMaster is for professionals to install
You've sold me on this!
I have one of these, they are awesome! I also love how compact they are.
I’m interested in purchasing the wall mount Liftmaster garage door opener and noticed your comment was posted 3 years ago. Wondering if there have been any issues?
Michael Dittrich I haven’t had any, so far it’s been quite reliable.
@@joepowell2619 Thanks for taking the time to reply. I appreciate it!
Thanks for the comparison and by the way nice Eclipse! Hopefully a GST or GSX.
Josh Shughart Haha, 500hp GSX, thanks.
Nice. I miss my GSX.
Great comparison video, thanks for taking the time to show this
10/10 the older one because they were built much better. the the 8500 is off balancing the door while it rises while the overhead 1265 distributes the force evenly. its a balance
Good video and to the point. Thanks
Dude thank u for the comparison, excellent video, how has it held up over the past 3 years? What are the positives and negatives? Thanks again!
Positives:
- silent
- extra security with deadbolt
- no overhead garage door motor
- easy installation
- easy to program new remotes (via entry way keypad)
- came with internet gateway so I can use app to monitor/control garage door
Cons:
- pricey (but you get what you pay for)
- door opening/closing speed is slower than traditional
I love the old liftmaster chain drive
One thing I noticed is how slow the door moves with the new one. The old one opens and closes the door much faster.
And I like the super clean look too
Would you still recommend a wall mount vs an overhead mount??
I've still had 0 issues with my 3 different side mounts (3 different doors) over the past 6+ years. The benefits of overhead clearance and SILENCE far out weighs the price, IMO.
@@chovis38 thanks I'll probably get this for my home gym. The lighting will be better without the motors up top
How many remotes can be paired with this? I need to have 12 remotes.
Did the mounting brackets come with the opener?
Great video showing the difference
On the next bay over, is that an 8365? Did u replace that one too
I have two of these openers, one for each garage door.
Nice video! I see you have finished wall like my garage. How did you install an outlet for power to new unit?
Having the center unit does provide support to the door at the center in the lifted position. The sidewinder has not support for the center of the door. Does the door sag at all with just the sidewinder ?
Welp...... I've been using this model opener for over 6 combined years, not one issue. I certainly understand your frustration with poor customer service. Hang in there....👊
Does the 8500 move a little as the door goes up and down?
It does not, as its bolted down to the front garage wall.
Vancouver Island
Yes it actually does. It rocks a little side to side as it’s only connected to the shaft and bolted to the wall with a L Bracket
How wide is the unit? I have exactly 9 inches of room before it hits a wall on the right side. That enough for you?
Brian Chen you need eight and a half inch of clearance so you should be fine
Just went out to the garage with my measuring tape and a step stool. 9” will do it. 8.4" will not.
I just spend 400.00 fir someone to come fix the sprung clasp.
What to do in case electric power not working on your springless garage opener 8500?
There is still a torsion spring above the door, which assists lifting the door. Liftmaster makes a battery backup for this opener, but even if you don't have that, there's s manual disengage which then allows you to open the door manually.
Isn't the cable tensioner upside down on 8500 I thought they didn't work good like that
Yes, I just installed two LiftMaster 8500 GDOs this weekend and the Cable Tension Monitor in this video is not installed correctly. It's "upside down", because it was installed on the right side and the default is the left side. There is a note on page 10 of the installation manual, step #4, before all of the other instructions, that states " NOTE: The cable tension monitor is shipped for left side installation. It is recommended that the cable tension monitor be installed on the same side of the door as the garage door opener. For right side installation, remove the snap-ring holding the roller in place and reassemble it on the opposite side of the cable tension monitor." LiftMaster has an installation video that clearly shows how this is done when installed on the right side.
The chain drive is rather noisy, however it seems faster than the 8500.
TheBrazilianHotDog724 Agreed. Chain drive is faster, but I'm ok with the quiet vs speed trade off.
Good video! Do you have a battery backup & if so where is it mounted.
Ojb 1959 I do not have a battery backup, sorry. We have a backup generator for the house, so it wasn't a consideration when purchasing the opener. Thank you for viewing.
Very informative & helpful. Thanks.
Hi. Did you have to have an electrician add a walk plug closer to the new unit?
lutador13
I installed the outlet near the new garage door opener. If you're unfamiliar with wiring, I would probably leave it to an electrician.
How hard is the install?
87national It’s pretty easy. There’s a really good step by step video on how to install it.
Do you still need the over head spring and wires on the side ? I’m trying to find a system to remove all that I find it dangerous when it snaps
Might be more dangerous without all that.... That's the lift assistance to the door. Without that, you wouldn't be able to lift the door due to the weight.
nice work! I'm buying today.
Totally getting this!
yes they are good opener. and i love my mind. and what make of car? it's a nice ride
Well there's a dodge ram, Mitsubishi eclipse, and another in there....
They do NOT recommend jackshaft operators with doors that when fully open have little or no natural tendency to drop from fully open at the start because when fully open they are laying flat. These panel doors hang from the cables.. With a trolley opener the door is physically attached to the opener mechanism with a chain or belt.. connected with the trolley arm. The trolley opener pushes the door. This jackshaft opener relies on gravity to close the door. Jackshaft openers should only be used with high wall and "follow a vaulted ceiling" track installation. Your install is prone to cable unwrap when the opener begins to rotate the jackshaft and the door doesn't start moving, the cables come off the pulleys.
Ok....I have had 3 of these openers over the past 6 years or so (all on different doors, 1 at our first house, 2 on each garage door at our current house)....never had any of those issues you speak of.
@@chovis38 that is why there is a cable tension monitor. A high lift or vaulted door track doesn't need a monitor. It all depends on how easily your door wants to begin moving down. Remember... the only connection the door has to the jackshaft is the cables. There are loads of reviews where people had all kinds of issues with the cable tension monitor because when the motor starts, if the door doesn't start dropping on it's own, the cable goes slack and trips the unit.. You must have a well installed door with a tendency to drop on it's own... that is the best scenario. I am in the process of selecting doors and openers. I had a pro tell me to only use jackshaft style openers if your door drops on it's own from full open. He recommended to only use them on high lift and ceiling hugger doors for best results. Glad yours work. Guy on another video had his cable come off
@@helihoot Well...I think you need a well installed door for any opener to properly function.
@@chovis38 true
There's no sag at all. The ceiling mounted center garage door opener doesn't really support the door at all, when opening, it pulls the door at the top center. The spring loaded torsion bar at the top of the door is connected to the bottom right and bottom left side of the door, evenly opening and closing the door. The torsion bar really does all the lifting.
I think you can install rubber roller wheels
I just recieved this response from a pro installer with his own business... I said to him no wonder it has a cable monitor. He responded..
It monitors. But doesn’t stop anything when the cable comes off and the door drops. As the operator controls the springs. Cables connect to the door.... cables gone.... door comes down like a guillotine. I replace em all the time. Doors and ops. I e made a million dollar business out of it.
Some people swear by em.... I will not allow my company to do it unless there’s high lift to the door.
Thx Chris,
That's even better.👍
Thanks
ah i see your delivery person doesn't like to drop your packages off at the front door as well.
The old unit works perfectly fine just lube it and get quieter rollers
nice 2g eclipse
Anyone herd only because of 2g DSM? 😂