The crazy benefits of NOT using layers ❌ (digital art tutorial)
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Rare times for me painting a grandma, but still had fun. Now do YOU accept the no layer challenge?!? 🔥🔥
grandma?? she don't look even SLIGHTLY close to that age
where do you see a grandma?
@@hardboiled_cat she is the grandma from an anime called Dandadan, she have a contract with the local land god and it's give her youthful energy and mystic power.
@@MrDeathCell I know nothing about that anime but thank you for explaining.
Hey Marc, I would love to see a video specifically about the lasso tool. Especially because I hesitate to use it because it creates leftover pixels which make the picture not clean :3
is grandma in the room with us
Working on one layer and working with black and white then going for colours is like unlocking the best part of the brain. It's incredible!
Thats a good idea im gonna try that
This but a light yellow and a dark purple on a hardlight layer.
@@jorionedwards That sounds great. I'm definitely going to experiment with this. This year I moved to Artrage Vitae and recently to Clip studio paint. And my mind is blown because I have never experienced this level of confidence drawing on a digital platform. This is when I got the confidence to work with one or two layers and it's freeing. I wanted to be away from Photoshop because I am not a fan anymore.
at that point I'll just use paper and pencil, one layer and black and white
@@hrothgargogo im pretty sure they are talking about coloring in greyscale before adding color not just doing greyscale
The way I'd describe it is failing faster.
If you keep things on separate layers you can go back and change things on the fly.
If you do everything on a single layer your mistakes are more difficult to fix or require creative solutions and so you'll make a mental note for the next time to not make that mistake.
This makes you more efficient and accurate over time.
great way to put it 👌
Hundred of years with the painting masters using brush, oils, on a single canvas layer,
Any artist today should try to work on a single layers from time to time , thats for sure ;
Thanks for the amazing video .
Layers do have their uses, but I must agree that they are often crutches in progression and confidence, great advice as always Marc
I KINDA do that? What I like to do is working on one layer, then at some point duplicate it and keep working on that layer. That way it leaves me what I call "checkpoints". If there's a part I don't like, I can cut into it and bring back the older version and work on that part again to get what I want. Then I'll merge those two layers. It still leaves a bit of an opening for change that way :D
I do the exact same thing it’s like in the middle of the two methods
Marc saying how long it takes to draw made me realize why I never like my own. I don’t take the amount of time to refine the work like he does. Very eye opening.
It's funny how hearing this from someone you admire so much comforts me. For a while I was training like this, and even though I felt I was improving, I stopped because I thought I was practicing in a stupid way. And now I regret that decision again. Thanks for this video, I'll go back to practicing a single layer
I agree It's reassuring
How can it be stupid when it’s replicating how artist create art IRL?
This is what separates you from other art tutorials, the specificity and meaning.
Layers can be crutches for sure, having a cohesive piece sometimes is more important, where everything in the drawing is relative to each other. I still have to learn this way more
I totally agree about simplifying with fewer layers, but I think single-layer work shines more for speed paints or thumbnail sketches rather than final pieces. Minimizing layers is important-like one for the background, one for the character, and maybe another for foreground elements. If something blocks the main character, I’ll sometimes add a separate layer for it.
I get the frustration with layer management. What helps me is assigning a shortcut to the “find layer” tool-Clip Studio Paint has it, and Photoshop should too. I think you can also use the move tool to jump between layers. Another tip is assigning shortcuts to quickly create or merge layers. This lets you paint, tweak, and merge on the fly, keeping layers minimal but still flexible.
I think this workflow saves time compared to relying heavily on the lasso tool. While avoiding layers reduces management, lassoing everything adds unnecessary work. Adding layers from the start could streamline your process.
Are you reading my mind again? I'm slowly attempting digital art and I always try to remind myself of adding more layers because I keep thinking I'm not fully working with all the resources I have doing digital art. But this is sooo great! I'll definitely consider using more layers just for work and keep a single layer whenever I draw for fun 😊
I like using different layers because when I color i may get disatisfied with how it looks and it's nice to just go back to the coloring layer and swap the color to something that fits the whole scene better.
Those speedpaints were the reason I started following you back in 2012. Good to see you showing off that technique AND drawing Seiko in the same video!
as a fellow 150+ layers artist I just use clip studio paint because it allows me to find the layers I need with just holding ctrl+shift then clicking on the part of the drawing that the layer contains and boom it throws me right onto that layer. If u keep clicking it cycles through the layers that are under that paint so u can find the one u need
You found your enabler
My problem with the lasso tool that I'm always way too shaky so the selection always goes outside of where i want it😭😭
you definitely get used to it the more you do it, and you can always edit your selection using "shift" to add to it or "alt" to sub from it - but it is strange there's no smoothing option like there is for brushes
@@YTartschool
It's probably another crutch, but Lazy Nezumi Pro saved my bacon and helped me to stop redrawing every single line 50 or 70 times before I get it right.The best part is that it's an external program that a) can hook to any app, not just photoshop, b) doesn't care what tool is selected, so it'll smooth the stroke for _any_ of them. Which lead to c) all smoothing across all apps is uniform and consistent so you quickly get used to it.
I started doing this a couple of weeks ago and I was shocked to see how much faster I've become (like, from days to a few hours).
And it was strangely relaxing too.
Dude i clicked so fast
Bro your tuts are sorry authentic, really enjoy watching your channel.
The way that you did smoke using the lasso tool was mindblowing to me. There are many tutorials that go over flames or smokes and they often teach you that they have holes in the middle, but then using negative lasso tool selections is such an interesting way to do it. I'm going to try that next time
I love working on one layer! Even now, unless I know it will be a complicated multi plane painting, I always aim to keep my layers under 3. Glad to see this video that captures all the reasons why I love doing it.
Will definitely try it! I love these videos where you unclose some golden knowledge
I've used to have 50 layer and more in my past drawings, now i draw on three layers, merge it all, then render and add details :D
I was strugling to draw lineart for idk how long, but now i decided to go without it and draw with colored shapes and oh boi it turned out that i can draw lol
I've been trying this and it's insanely fun to do, I love the process!
Marc drops an art class right after my birthday! Cool Stuff!
I'm glad, you shared your brushes and this makes things easier for me
Hey ther! I just wanted to say I really enjoyed your video and am planning to sign up for the Art program by the end of the month and can't wait to start learning!
Marc your the best ever! your videos are worth any class
I'll stick with layers until I finish learning the basics. I'll remember to try this when I can draw at the level where I can apply this knowledge.
Loved this, please do more on one layer!
I tried to do without using layers and it’s was much better and takes less time
I love your art you have helped me so much
Beautiful art!
T'es le goat, tes vidéos sont super cools man.
okay so first of all as in every video you did another amazing masterpiece drawing but now only on single layer and how you drew that smoke and rendered it oh my god a lot of skill is shown here a great proof of how good you truly are , i was here tho when u first started YT and posted speedpaints i always was amazed by them and commented how i love it now years later i could not even closely draw with layers what you did here as a study piece and if i even did it would took me hours and you said you did this in about 3 h i mean like i would have done lines and base colors maybe some basic rendering with layers in 3h and keep rest for next day lol but yeah we should not compare to each other you are master and im just a pleb you may think you not good enouhgt but youre truly a S tier always inspires and amazes me thank you for keeping that little spark in me
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Ever since i started to try taking art seriously around a year and a half ago, I've noticed that if i go back to my older sketches or pieces and compare them with things i do now, I've managed to resuce the number of layers i use on average for accomplishing the same things
Which definitely shows how layer usage is tied to your confidence in what you're doing
I've been doing something sort of in-between and I'm really satisfied. Each "part" gets its own layer with colors and all of the shading/lighting done on the same layer. It can still be a lot of layers, like 20 or more depending on the art, but definitely more manageable
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totally agree. I got significantly faster at painting once I started limiting my layer usage and the change happened over night
He is crazy for this one!
Dandadan is so hype
5:40 can be crucial information. My best drawing had some sloppy rough outlines at first & I was ready to give up. But despite that, I still tried rendering & my artwork turned out great
I do a mix of these workflows for sure. It usaslly goes well. I don't feel too bad with issues knowing I banged it out in a short period, good tips for sure. def get his brushes too.
I've started incorporating the lasso tool into my work
It would be great in the future a video about how to draw faster and accurately, this is a great video!
I tried something like this recently. I kept my layers down to three; lines, color and shading.
I finished it in three days rather than three weeks. 👍
Diz is too amazing
I cannot believe i've been following you sice 14 years, crazy. 1:20
Not using layers ?! *Twilight Zone Theme starts playing*
Another banger by sensei
Thats it Marc. Resist modernity, embrace alla prima and italian Renaissance techniques.
In my experience I feel like using many layers feels like more of a commitment than using a single layer. It’s easy for me to paint over a mistake on one layer, but if you want to do that with multiple layers you might need to edit all of them one by one…
Actually, I’ve been using Procreate on a cheap iPad. This means I have a very limited amount of layers. Since I like using the “page” feature, so each file is like a mini sketchbook, I’ve been forced to use only one layer per drawing. It does allow me to have one background layer. I learned a lot and it has actually helped me with traditional art as well.
Interesting, I've found that coloring my sketches helps me notice mistakes faster, so I always add a general idea of the colors and lighting on the sketch, before proceeding to clean up the linework and color as always.
I've noticed that reminding myself that I can always, at any stage, fix mistakes (meaning if I have merged my layers already), makes me work more fluidly, so I can see where the "one layer" thing helps.
Might... do the one layer thing for a sort of sketch and then work the lineart from there.
I've only done 2 drawings exclusively on one layer. I think on how tedious it felt (drawing, shading, refining, repeat) but overall once I found my flow it was fun
It was far from perfect but its one of my best digital drawings.
But you mentioning that comfort compromises growth. Makes me wanna r
Try it more. Maybe i wont feel as stagnant.
Reminds me of rinotuna where he only uses one layer for all of his drawings
I actually love painting with one layer OR if I’m unsure, I’ll make a separate layer to continue if I’m unsure, then merge it below and continue. I also study a lot of traditional artists and I think they’ve just sort of influenced me a lot.
Funny you mention this. I am taking a painting class. We have to work on one canvas. Then we have to let it dry then paint over it. It kind of reminds me of that
7:49 man I don't think id ever be able to drop the smoke on the same layar 😭 Looks amazing so guess ill try pull my shit together and give this a go.
I do this when i have little free time.
Paint in one layer and no zooming. 1 hr is good for a photo study when i do this
Finally we got Granny Seiko!!!!
Marc can you do a video explaining this specific painting process I've been stumped tryna figure this one of for awhile
(Silhouette painting) seems confusing ive also seen artist paint using the lasso tool
i often think i do better when i draw in one layer, though more honestly i’m talking about drawing and painting on paper. i still struggle to find a natural feel of drawing digitally that i find drawing traditionally
so its straight up raw dogging rendering, looks super fun ima try it
I like this idea of using a single layer to improve your art and challenge yourself in order to create more impactful art. But I can't fully appreciate it as I don't do digital art to any capacity. Not to say I'm not willing but I'm stuck with just pencil and paper so I consider this challenge to be my norm already. How would you recommend people like myself (less than 2 months of experience) challenge ourselves to achieve a similar result? I want to improve but I can't fully utilize and appreciate the tips and guides you propose due to the digital limitation of the kind of art I'm able to create.
Love the guides btw, lots of easy way's to gain inspiration and new ideas that can translate to paper!
yay present!!
the smoke method is crazy
There's a thing I always say, I sort of halted my progress for multiple years trying really hard to do everything without layers and sketches without actually knowing what I was doing.
Speedpainting with no layers looks really simple and easy, but it's only good if you at least roughly know what you're doing.
I ended up flattening a lot of my early pictures after getting frustrated at drawing / painting something on the wrong layer, I must have wasted hours on trying to get undo mistakes. It’s fun to just slap something on one layer, though it does take courage to commit!
I have inadvertently landing in this method/style lately. I noticed I get WAAAAAy more done if I sculpt the shapes I'm going for rather than trying draw them. I would both use way more layers because I was struggling with lines and still get stuck. So for me this like gospel lol
Can you make a traditional art tutorial pls
I hope the day that I have the confidence to make art this way, I'm just never getting used to doing line art, clean art in general...
I think the fact just clicking on this video made me grimace and think "I know it's a good thing but I don't want to!" is the best way to tell I SHOULD try this... 😭
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Which are things you would feel are almost a mandatory overlay/layer? In my opinion -- visual effects could be a "you might wanna do it separate". But yea initially all on one layer is a good advice. Art is time consuming... you have to know this, too (comes with that type of practice) xD. The n1 enemy of an artist IS time... but I dont think you're much of an artist unless you have a comfy cushion on which you can sit: have built a folio and know you will improve upon it (definitely not perfect). I just tumbled on my very first folio... Oh man. It was better than I remembered O__O (I'm the antithesis of what I suggest... I was perfectionist and... possibly more patient than I am about art today? / no longer an artist... well. One of the mind ;').
Thanks Marki. Ça ne doit pas te manquer Ubisoft etc. Dw.. only a handful can hear the accent and it doesnt bother us!
Background, character, clothes, maybe hair. That's the layers that really is needed, and between those it's easy to switch, you can just click on the layer you want. But yes I agree the less layers you have the better, and that comes from someone who has no idea of what they are doing. :D
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You know, I never really used layers quite that way. I actually use them more like other people use clipping masks, separating shading and lighting (which allows me to alter the color of the shadows and highlights later), and depending on the project, separating articles of clothing and such from the body of the character. (and of course, the character is always a separate layer from the background). But I never used it as a way to change my mind later, really, except for coloring (which is simple). That being said, I do want to try out the single layer thing, I'm feeling pretty stagnant, and not happy with where I'm at.
I clicked faster than light just for Seiko 😅
i always try to do the main drawing on a single layer and refinement on up to 4 more layers… i never get when i get a psd with 150+ layers that could have been easily merged into perhaps 3 layers with the same result.
Seeing you already painted Momo and grandma I need to ask. ¿There will be a Okarun piece too?
granny ayase looking fine af
Voy a intentar a ver cómo sale xD
I've bitten the bullet and Purchased your art school.
Yeah, using a lot of layers can get confusing, overwhelming, and time-consuming. But they do give you the freedom to make edits on the fly. Painting on one layer is like being a traditional artist all over again, but it does make you faster and more efficient. I think a suitable compromise would be to only use layers when necessary, and not use a new layer for every single thing. You could do your base colors on one layer, your shadows on another, your highlights on another and no more than that.
5 trillion layers
Why am I more confident in single layer painting when doing real watercolors vs digital painting?
Marc, that shape based sketching / painting approach you've done for this video - would you recommend that to beginners as well? Or would you recommend to focus on sketching with lines first? I'm still very early on and I kinda just don't enjoy sketching with lines. Now I'm wondering if I should ditch that in its entirety or stick with it until I've gotten better at sketching with lines.
the lasso tool of Paint Tool Sai Sucks... :/ any tip on that is welcome. I now the selection pen works best but, uff... The lasso would be just perfect.
Hi thanks again for the videos u make ! Its really helping a lot ! I wakted to ask u something: do u know a way or how to make sure that the proportions of a body is perfect ? Because i've been struggling a lot with proportions like the head is too big or the legs are too short etc....😅
IDK who uses many layers as a crutch to quickly undo changes, I tried to do that a couple of times, and I _very_ quickly got annoyed that the whole thing became a mess where there's a couple of strokes on one layer, a couple on another, and on third, and you can't just hide a layer to undo your decisions, since almost all layers end up containing _several_ decisions. You'll never know which layers has which strokes, so useless and confusing.
Like, I think, the only time I get crazy with layers nowadays is when I'm undecided on the color scheme of the character, so I fill each color on a separate layer so that I could quickly HSL them. Otherwise I tend to split them by concrete objects in scene, like "character layer, background layer".
I'm definitely going to try this, at least once I'm skilled enough. Should we avoid using CTRL + Z as well?
I feel the no undo takes it too far to a point where it'll actually slow you down unless you're VERY experienced. And ctrl+Z allows us to fail fast and retry immediately which is great for learning.
@@YTartschool Thank you very much for your reply, Marc!
marc can you make your brushes available for krita?
If I wanted to do concept art for video games, how should i layout the art and information. Is there a studio standard that companies would like to see?
I see Marc painting all Dandadan Characters, including (Especially) Jiji. XD
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God bless you mark. Since 2016 i been watching your work. 2024™
that's 8 years bro, how old are you?
@@MrBeeHobb is it, cuh I downloaded 100 videos from him n I been watching them to get more inspiration, from many random artist, I dont take so many of their advices I want to learn my own way how to craft beat my own self in leveling up, I dont use ruler's I use imagination which is a bit harder, but I dont keep track of so many of his works, for me is the first time watching this. So is been a while since I been following Marc. I like him, no diddy. 2024™ Bye. 👋
@@sknl4015 Thats cool... but how old are you? 😂
@@MrBeeHobb 20 why...creep...😱
@@MrBeeHobb I heard u like them young, u better not go to block cell 1 to any itch that fall in love with him, make sure you hide your Lil sister from him. 😎 bye.
Stahp!! you're gonna break the Stylu... oh, he's already got the back up..
Momo and Seiko? You seem into dandadan right now.