@@garyhoffman2505 Then we may be extended relations. I believe my Uncle (by marriage) Harry Mayes was related to Frank, but not positive. Rogers City was never a "big" town lol
@@GRIMRPR6942 Harry and frank are brothers along with loyd Mayes who was married to my aunt Betty. As far as I know, Frank is still living in Florida yet.
We just leaving the St Lawrence river onto Lake Ontario when we heard the mayday from the Bradley and the following traffic. It's a very strange feeling you get when you know another ship is in trouble.
Thank you for making this video. There are a lot of ships that have sank on the Great Lakes. It is important to remember the lives of all the people lost .
Do not even go near aviation....All these passenger planes dropping with 200-500 souls aboard over piece of tape over pilot sensor blocking speed and altitude instruments. My belly drops just as bad.
A very good friend of mine was 3rd mate on a boat that was laying for weather behind Drummond Island. He and the wheelsman were in the pilot house when the mayday call from the BRADLEY came in. He ran down to get the Captain, and the 3 men listened to the mayday in disbelief. He has told me many times how those moments of the death of the BRADLEY haunt him even today.
Also, the BRADLEY was scheduled for a new cargo hold at Manitowoc Shipbuilding during layup, 1958. I know that for a fact, my grandpa worked as a riveter at MSB for 44 years, and told me that story.
She did"nt sink like the Fitzgerald. Like I have posted, the Fitzgerald became waterlogged, settled by th Bow, nose dived under the influence of wave forces from astern, I believe. To me, it looks like, when the Captain of the Bradley instructed the Chief Engineer to ballast her down, well, he must have loaded the forward tanks to seat the bow but left the amidships light, causing a hogback situation, thus stressing the hull in a manner never designed for. She broke in half, sank slowly. Thus no damage like on the Fitzgerald which was forced under rapidly, and I believe that is why the visor on the pilot house is smashed down. As she was forced under, she left a void and water fell in behind her, filling her void as she descended. An abrupt stop as she hit the bottom and skidded a bit, well, the tons of water following her to the bottom settled upon her, caving in her visor, which is light construction, and would be succepible to those kind of forces, because she would never be designed to survive them. I don't know, I was'nt at either situation. Just speculation on my part after being interested for decades.
@@wadeadams9471 Nothing like stating the obvious Wade!. And, no acting here, just sharing thoughts with like minded citizens. Why are you here?. Best wishes, James
That’s about as insightful and informed a speculative opinion regarding likely sinking scenarios as could be hoped for from an avocational hobbyist. Get over yourself, Wade Adams!
i really really really like the ended you did to this video.. no one else on youtube does endings like that.. please keep doing it exactly like that.. like you dont give a shit... its wonderful.. fresh.... amateurish? yeah maybe kinda a little but that's also what makes it charming and welcoming
In the older days of the Great Lakes they would build ships like that. You should check out a video I did "What makes Lake Boats Unique" because that explains that, plus more.
It was a point of contention for years over whether or not the Bradley had broken up on the surface, with the owners arguing fiercely that she had gone to the bottom in one piece. It was decades later before divers proved the wreck was in 2 pieces.
It strikes me that claiming the ship didn't break in two because of structural problems and the decision to sail in a storm leaves as a cause that the ship didn't break in two, but the hatches came loose or caved in and holes filled with water because of the decision to take her out in the storm. So I'm not sure how blame would be avoided by saying she didn't break in two. If the hatches were found sufficient by a Coast Guard inspection, does this absolve them from hatches failing in a storm?
@@lewisdoherty7621 My understanding is that past crewmen on the Bradley described her as a "Rust Bucket' that had no business being in active service on the lakes. The Bradey Transportation Company bitterly disputed this because it could have made them libel for sending a crew to sea on a ship that wasn't seaworthy.
The same as the fitz. The stern aft deck creates a stress point in the back of the ship where the upper structure meet the midship cargo section. In rough seas, the old girl broke. Did you see the ship break it back this year? Its all on video. They crack and sink fast. After these ships crack, power in the bow is lost quickly if the Steen breaks away enough.
Hi Theodore, The center third of the Fitzgerald is shattered, according to the grainy video of the wreck, or by studying the graphic illustration of her. No defined break to split her in half. My interpretation, of course.
Surprised you didn’t mention Strzelecki, A crew member who jumped off the raft and was found a live by the coast guard, he then passed on the ship as the a Doctor was airlifted aboard
Now one thing to note. There's a post card of her with a brown hull. She never had that. It was apart of the colorized postcard and they wanted her to pop out
No, not really, our unique ship form on the Great Lakes have been some of the most productive, and long lived, in the world. Granted, fresh water helps. There are past ships, like the "Medusa Challenger", not her original name, and a name change after that, and now an integrated Tug-Barge, still hauling cement out of Charleston. As built, I pretty sure she predates the Titanic, and may be before 1900, thinkin' about 1898. Shootig from the hip. James
Fun fact….I don’t do it all in one recording. I do it in separate recordings and then put it together. So that’s probably why that’s happening. Sorry…….
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Elmer Fleming was my Dad's uncle. He died 10 years after the sinking. I grew up hearing this story and being fascinated by it. Thanks for the video.
Wow that’s cool
Thanks
Thank you for this video! My uncle Alfred Pilarski (2nd cook) went down on this ship and its nice to see it being remembered.
Glad you enjoyed it! May he Rest In Peace…….
My uncle Frank Mayes was one of the survivors on the Bradley.
@@garyhoffman2505 Then we may be extended relations. I believe my Uncle (by marriage) Harry Mayes was related to Frank, but not positive. Rogers City was never a "big" town lol
@@GRIMRPR6942 Harry and frank are brothers along with loyd Mayes who was married to my aunt Betty. As far as I know, Frank is still living in Florida yet.
So He was from Poland, which generation on American soil?
We just leaving the St Lawrence river onto Lake Ontario when we heard the mayday from the Bradley and the following traffic. It's a very strange feeling you get when you know another ship is in trouble.
How did you heard the mayday signals? Is it Foghorn?
It’s hard to imagine a more terrorizing nightmare than to suddenly realize the unthinkable is actually happening.
@@sovietgamer7084 Radio Communications
This is a great video about a great ship! You did a really good job! Perfect timing to get it out to, May those who were lost rest in peace.
Thank you!
Thank you for making this video. There are a lot of ships that have sank on the Great Lakes. It is important to remember the lives of all the people lost .
Thank you for watching! Rip all those who have died on the Great Lakes……
Do not even go near aviation....All these passenger planes dropping with 200-500 souls aboard over piece of tape over pilot sensor blocking speed and altitude instruments.
My belly drops just as bad.
Something tells me it's best to stay at port in November. :)
Especially if your hull is weakened…..
Or at least in shelter like so many did during two blows this November as witnessed here in th UP.
I live in Wisconsin on Lake Michigan. The November storms can get nasty.
@@jamesbascombe6869 The Witch Of November is Not to be trifled with!!! So you're a few hours late.... better than never arriving!
A very good friend of mine was 3rd mate on a boat that was laying for weather behind Drummond Island. He and the wheelsman were in the pilot house when the mayday call from the BRADLEY came in. He ran down to get the Captain, and the 3 men listened to the mayday in disbelief. He has told me many times how those moments of the death of the BRADLEY haunt him even today.
Also, the BRADLEY was scheduled for a new cargo hold at Manitowoc Shipbuilding during layup, 1958. I know that for a fact, my grandpa worked as a riveter at MSB for 44 years, and told me that story.
She did"nt sink like the Fitzgerald. Like I have posted, the Fitzgerald became waterlogged, settled by th Bow, nose dived under the influence of wave forces from astern, I believe.
To me, it looks like, when the Captain of the Bradley instructed the Chief Engineer to ballast her down, well, he must have loaded the forward tanks to seat the bow but left the amidships light, causing a hogback situation, thus stressing the hull in a manner never designed for. She broke in half, sank slowly. Thus no damage like on the Fitzgerald which was forced under rapidly, and I believe that is why the visor on the pilot house is smashed down. As she was forced under, she left a void and water fell in behind her, filling her void as she descended. An abrupt stop as she hit the bottom and skidded a bit, well, the tons of water following her to the bottom settled upon her, caving in her visor, which is light construction, and would be succepible to those kind of forces, because she would never be designed to survive them. I don't know, I was'nt at either situation. Just speculation on my part after being interested for decades.
I don’t think we will ever really know of the Fitzgerald sank like the Bradley or not
Facts
You don't know what happened at all. You're just speculating you weren't there. I think maybe you should stop trying to act like a captain.
@@wadeadams9471 Nothing like stating the obvious Wade!.
And, no acting here, just sharing thoughts with like minded citizens.
Why are you here?.
Best wishes, James
That’s about as insightful and informed a speculative opinion regarding likely sinking scenarios as could be hoped for from an avocational hobbyist. Get over yourself, Wade Adams!
Every one of your DocuVideos has been ACE. May become the next Ken Burns
i really really really like the ended you did to this video.. no one else on youtube does endings like that.. please keep doing it exactly like that.. like you dont give a shit... its wonderful.. fresh.... amateurish? yeah maybe kinda a little but that's also what makes it charming and welcoming
YEAH OK CYA BYE.... or whatever you said... BOOM. love it
Thanks
Nice job!! One thing. Please regulate your volume levels. Gets low. Than goes back up.
Sorry bout that
Can someone explain to me why the bridge is so close to the bow and not like in other bulkcarriers at the aft?
In the older days of the Great Lakes they would build ships like that. You should check out a video I did "What makes Lake Boats Unique" because that explains that, plus more.
It was a point of contention for years over whether or not the Bradley had broken up on the surface, with the owners arguing fiercely that she had gone to the bottom in one piece. It was decades later before divers proved the wreck was in 2 pieces.
The big companies will do everything they can to not get in any trouble
@@ConnorTenold and avoid paying out compensation to families.
They wanted to call it a act of God so they didn't take responsibility for the wreck
It strikes me that claiming the ship didn't break in two because of structural problems and the decision to sail in a storm leaves as a cause that the ship didn't break in two, but the hatches came loose or caved in and holes filled with water because of the decision to take her out in the storm. So I'm not sure how blame would be avoided by saying she didn't break in two. If the hatches were found sufficient by a Coast Guard inspection, does this absolve them from hatches failing in a storm?
@@lewisdoherty7621 My understanding is that past crewmen on the Bradley described her as a "Rust Bucket' that had no business being in active service on the lakes. The Bradey Transportation Company bitterly disputed this because it could have made them libel for sending a crew to sea on a ship that wasn't seaworthy.
Great video, I love learning about big ships
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice!
The Bradley split in half. Frank Mays said he could hear ribbots popping "ping...............ping................ping" and then it split in half
The same as the fitz. The stern aft deck creates a stress point in the back of the ship where the upper structure meet the midship cargo section. In rough seas, the old girl broke.
Did you see the ship break it back this year? Its all on video. They crack and sink fast. After these ships crack, power in the bow is lost quickly if the Steen breaks away enough.
Hi Theodore,
The center third of the Fitzgerald is shattered, according to the grainy video of the wreck, or by studying the graphic illustration of her.
No defined break to split her in half.
My interpretation, of course.
Well done video Blessings from the hills of Southern Oregon
Thanks!!
You should consider doing one on the Daniel J. Morrell also.
That’s the plan!
@@ConnorTenold 👍
Surprised you didn’t mention Strzelecki, A crew member who jumped off the raft and was found a live by the coast guard, he then passed on the ship as the a Doctor was airlifted aboard
Well thanks for bringing my attention to it! I will include it in the next video on the Bradley.
Now one thing to note. There's a post card of her with a brown hull. She never had that. It was apart of the colorized postcard and they wanted her to pop out
She was going originally going to manitowoc for repairs but the ship was ordered by the company to get another load of limestone
Yup, bad decision……
She broke up light. Different than the Fitz.
@@jamesbell8749 yeah I should have added that she was running without cargo and only water ballast
It seems to me those types of ships. Are prone to break in half.
No, not really, our unique ship form on the Great Lakes have been some of the most productive, and long lived, in the world. Granted, fresh water helps. There are past ships, like the "Medusa Challenger", not her original name, and a name change after that, and now an integrated Tug-Barge, still hauling cement out of Charleston. As built, I pretty sure she predates the Titanic, and may be before 1900, thinkin' about 1898.
Shootig from the hip.
James
Charlevoix!, by the way, spell check
Good job. Didn t know about this one.
Thanks!
Just to ask if they are sisters with Edmund Fitzgerald?
The Edmund Fitzgerald’s sister ship was the Arthur B. Homer
@@ConnorTenold thanks for telling
The gails of november came early...
Good video. I enjoyed, but I suggest that you "calibrate" voice overs volume once you are done assembling the video. Volume was up and down. Good job.
Thanks for the tip!
Whats wrong volume
My guess is it sank because it followed that giant arrow in the thumbnail. Ships should never follow downward arrows.
lol
I don't know how you can say a shipping company should've laid up a ship for an UNDETECTED defect...
it was well known that she had many broken welds in her body structure but repairs were continually put off
I was right the ship sank by rust no mystery on that
Do the titanic series and it's sister ship the hmhs Britannic
Age takes it's toll on everyone and everything.
who else thought this was the "Edmund Fitzgerald"?
Maybe They are sisters lol
Actually, the Edmund Fitzgeralds sister ship was the Arthur B. Homer. Maybe I will do a video about it.
Ship sank, refused to split apart, then split apart in 1997, to be left alone-
This is an interesting presentation. You really need to improve your terrible audio.
Yeah……..need a different editing software….
stop cargo ship due to dangerous storm and have wave please stop cargo ship make sure check the weather
So sad
The massive volume fluctuation in the narration is shocking. "jump scare" as they say.
I think he does a a fine job.
I am not producing content, but can enjoy his.
Perfect.
Thank you…..
Its looks similar to the SS Edmund Fitzgerald
It's pronounced lurain. Lorain Ohio
Okay, thanks
@@ConnorTenold Hey Conner, I just turned 57, and I have said Lorain since I first saw the word. I think we are correct.
same shit different day
From you?.
0:43 it’s hard to understand you or follow when you do that. Please take a breath after a sentence or something… no offense
Fun fact….I don’t do it all in one recording. I do it in separate recordings and then put it together. So that’s probably why that’s happening. Sorry…….
@@ConnorTenold
All Good Connor. You will make adjustments and become better in all areas of life, in time. Good video.
1 November. 2 Queens gone.
Maybe you shouldn't sail in November.
My life will not be complete until I soothe feared men in a Gale. Be brave.
dude that’s really bad