I just happen to live in Chadwick’s hometown of Anderson, South Carolina. this man has done true king work here for kids & local communities. Wakanda Forever, My King 🤴🏿 🙅🏼♂️
IMO Kilmonger is the best villain in the MCU, because he was so damn right with his ideology but wasn't right with the way he went about with his actions. Such an amazing character
The script of the Wakandan language (that morph into English titles) is a real-world alphabet called Tifinagh. It’s used by the Berber (Amazigh) and Touareg peoples in northwest Africa. When I saw this in the theater with my Algerian ex-wife, we spotted it at the same time and immediately started jogging elbows like “Did you see that???”😄😂
@ It is indeed legit. My ex is Algerian Berber (aka Kabylian) which is how I found out about it. The people involved in the movie design pulled influences from various cultures all over the African continent, this being one of many examples.😎
The scene about whether they are loyal to their country by following their king vs doing what is best for their own people, even if it goes against what their king says, feels way too relevant. The message here is to always be loyal to the county's people first, because if the leader is also loyal to them, then there is no conflict of interest. The nephew who took over (sorry I forgot names) was following their rules but he didn't have any loyalty to Wakanda's people. That said, I agree that his motives are the most interesting for a villain, even if his actions are deplorable. He is the villain Wakanda created.
This movie holds a special place in my heart. Before it came out, I had a dream similar to T'Challa going to the ancestral plane. I was walking in a park and I saw my grandfather walking down on steps from the Heaven. We embraced while I was telling him how sorry I was for not being there to say goodbye. He simply smiled and told me that it doesn't matter and he'll always love and watch over me. I watched him walk back to heaven before I woke up crying. The Ancestral Plane scene always makes me cry because of this. Black Panther has been brought to shows and games before, but Chadwick is the one who brought the character to life. To hear that he has passed was a shocker. Chadwick will still be getting his star in the walk of fame and it's well deserved. RIP to my grandfather, to Chadwick, and of course another legend...Stan Lee. Wakanda Forever!
@@emilyrln It is now a regular event with other movies. Check your area for any local events. The cost was OK as well with a wide budget range. (Any seat is OK with an event like that.)
As a South African this movie is so sentimental to me🥹 not just because they speak isiXhosa and all the South African actors they have in it but also the subtle history eater eggs they have throughout the movie. My favourite one is when killmonger breaks the spear to make it shorter which is a strategy that was developed by the iconic Shaka Zulu, king of the Zulu kingdom during the war as a more efficient way to kill his enemies. Anyway long over due reaction but worth the wait ❤
10:50 It was implied that- due to his age - King T'Chaka had turned the mantle of Black Panther over to his son T'Challa several years before the events of Civil War. (You may not have noticed, but both T'Chaka and the actor who plays him have a glass eye, so it can be assumed that was a contributing factor to him turning over the mantle.) But as long as T'Chaka was alive he remained King of Wakanda. The ritual battle was for the throne, not necessarily the mantle of Black Panther. The fact the Wakandans have an antidote to the powered imbued by the Heart-Shaped herb implies this passing of the mantle has happened before.
When T'Challa asks Zuri what happened to the child, Zuri says they left him behind because they had to "preserve the lie". At the time, Wakanda was still hiding in plain sight, and in that sense Killmonger is a monster of their own creation.
Just like the Anti-Defamation League and the media likes to preserve the lies they tell us about different races when the truth is the closest thing to Wakanda in real life is North Sentinel Island.. Where they still have mud stick huts for homes. Buahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
I like to think that if Killmonger was able to grow up in Wakanda with his father and family he would’ve been something like Nakia: a spy/war dog who focuses on outreach. I think he would’ve been on the leader front for when T’Challa began the Wakandan Outreach Program (in my hyper-optimistic world 😂)
I work in the Entertainment Industry here in London. Andy Serkis is a fantastic director and actor... and a lovely man. He owns a huge motion capture studio near where I live. Its absolutely amazing inside 😁🇬🇧
People really sleep on this movie it’s so underrated it get so much hate for no reason. I hated when ppl act like it was just over hyped no black panther brought a lot of people into the mcu.
@@sidj6745 you rite💯 but don’t uu think it’s crazy I think it hasn’t been a solo marvel movie to ever touch wat black panther did💯 it was hella memes everywhere people were actually showing up to the movies to watch and it was the first black superhero which made it way more bigger. Idk I just feel like ppl kind of push it to the side and pretends it’s just a regular movie when it’s up there with the best mcu movies.
the saddest part is that boseman had cancer during this, and in between shoots his going off on his own, having private massages (to get through pains), and private meals made. everyone on set was just thinking he was some pre-madonna or conceited when in reality he was just trying to keep it together to get the film finished as he saw it as his legacy. nobody found out about any of it till after. talk about dignity and professionalism, he gave a great performance despite hiw much he must of been suffering with long shoots on set
@1:04:50 -- the challenge for the throne might not be open to just anyone. it might be open only to members of the ruling families, which would explain why killmonger brandished his father's royal ring to stake his claim. if the challenge is open to any wakandan, then killmonger's lip tattoo alone would've sufficed.
This movie came full circle for Chadwick and Michael B Jordan. Chadwick is in a daytime soap opera show, All My Children as Reggie Montgomery. He didn’t like how Reggie was being portrayed so he asked the execs for changes. He got fired from the show, and Michael B Jordan replaced him as Reggie.
THIS IS MY FAVORITE MARVEL MOVIE EVER!! This was also the biggest cast of black actors ever! And they’ve won awards for the costuming because it’s all SO GOOD! I wear a Black Panther dog tag every day just hoping to talk to ANYONE about this movie. It’s so much deeper than any other marvel property. Wow wow wow. Every rewatch just makes me so much happier ❤
I hope you watch the shows too on your journey! You’ll see a little more of Bucky’s relationship with Wakanda, including a really really beautiful moment of acting for Sebastian.
This and Spiderman Homecoming are my fave marvel films because the villain’s motivations are heartbreakingly believable. I remember my first time watching both, and *wanting* Killmonger and Toomes to get vindication, justice, or respect. Because they’re both right! The world is full of injustice and hate and I can’t blame them for wanting to fight back. But they let revenge take over, without thinking of how to rebuild and heal and grow, and it blinds them to their eventual downfall. Rest in Peace Chadwick Boseman. One of the best actors in recent cinema.
Here’s where Kill monger failed. He let his circumstances and his father’s death turn him into a tool of revenge, while Black panther took the mistakes of his father and learned from them and showed that Power and Justice isn’t about blind revenge.
T’Challa took on the mantle of Black Panther some time before T’Chaka died actually. He would have acted as an extension of his father’s will once his father got too old to bare the title from a physical perspective. It’s why the first suit he has through out Civil War up to the first couple of minutes in this film is as he says, his own design. The mantle is just the king’s to bear if he is able and willing or to share with anyone of their choosing I believe.
Yes the contrast between M'baku and Erik is striking but similar, both want the throne and for semi-noble purposes on the outside but one truly wants it with what he believes is in Wakanda's best interest and that is M'Baku, he challenged T'Challa using the appropriate traditions not out of hatred toward T'CHalla but out of a belief that the Golden Tribe had ruled long enough and were failing as leaders, he is not entirely wrong in that belief. N'Jadaka hated T'Challa, and Wakanda and hated the World too, he was hurt with no way he saw other than to make all others feel his pain.
Ooof, it’s tough watching T’challa say these beautiful things with the world we live in. I believe strongly in the good and decency of people and the world but there is so much division and injustice, especially now. And a world where beautiful people like Chadwick are no longer with us makes it seem all the more unfair. But…I do also see so much good and beauty every day and it more important now than ever to, as he says, learn to look after one another.
Tchaka told his son it's hard for a good man to be king because he knew he did questionable things killing his brother leaving his nephew and not telling nobody
It’s not just the King (or whoever is on the throne) that can be the Black Panther. T’Challa for example was already acting as the Black Panther while his father was still King (hence his ability to make that jump to try to save his father during the bombing in Civil War). It’s really abt does the ruler still have the physical capacity to be the Black Panther and who do they choose to pass it down to. Its more nuanced in the comics but yeah
Black panther dad and all of the other wakandan kings are beyond perfect. They literally sat on their asses and watched the slave trade and slavery happen , all of the evil hateful racist things that happened 2 black people after slavery and didn't deem it worthy of their help
Wrong, T'Challa became Black Panther ever since 2009 in the timeline, because T'Chaka was getting too old and he passed the mantle to his son, while he remained king until he passed away
Could be wrong, but IMO, the mistake T'Chaka made was killing N'Jobu. Not because he's his brother, but he ought to have disabled him, then taken him back to Wakanda to face what he had done. T'Chaka was shortsighted. Who knows how N'Jadaka would have turned out, but I doubt he would have become Erik Killmonger Stevens. He could have at least grown up with T'Challa, W'Kabi, etc., plus the privileges & influence of living in Wakanda. The healing tech that treated Bucky could have helped N'Jadaka deal with trauma, at least. It looked like W'Kabi could have benefitted from treatment when young as well. Love M'Baku.
Andy Serkis who in this movie played Ulysses Klaue was Gollum in the lord of the rings. Martin Freeman who plays the agent Everett Ross played a younger Bilbo Baggins in the hobbit an unexpected journey.
You know GREAT story telling, when in the end, you can feel bad for a character that's had hundreds of kills, and meant to annihilate the planet. R.I.P. Chadwick
1:05:50 About W'Kabi (Okoye's husband) Later in the MCU, it's made clear that he was imprisoned after the events of Black Panther 1:09:55 yea I've also always disliked W'Kabi's switch up on T'Challa and everyone else I mean, I guess even in Wakanda, there's gonna be some uhh... backstabbing, snakey, a-hole-ish type ppl (I don't really know how to describe him tbh, I'm not good with negative descriptors lol But when I think about it, I can almost understand as I've recently witnessed something similar in my life: sometimes knowing people, and having long relations with them, is exactly the fuel that eventually burns the relationship down Any arguments that were never resolved; expectations that were never met and etc only add to the resentfulness of a person once things get to a very bad place-- or atleast, so I've seen recently For W'Kabi, the only thing grievance he had towards the Elders and the past King was that they never brought Klaue (I forgot how to spell his name oof) to justice, but realistically, there were might have been other experiences he had that facilitated his betrayal Or maybe he was just a shallow jerk character lol Unfortunate
Trilith Studios, near Atlanta, has been used for many MCU films including this one. Atlanta is about 50% black. To show how far there is still to go in racial equality, Ryan Coogler, the director of the film, was arrested for "banking while black" in Atlanta. One of the suppliers for the film would only take cash, so Coogler went to take $10,000 out of his own account to pay them. The teller thought it was some kind of scam, so she pushed the button to summon the police, and Coogler was arrested and put in a police car until they could straighten things out.
For me the real villain is Killmonger's father, he is the one who betrayed Wakanda, knowing very well their ways of living and their reason to hide. Tchaka was not going to kill him, but he fought and tried to kill Zuri. If they took him back, how were they were they going to explain his father's disappearance. Tchaka was at fault as much as N'jobu
Still miss Chadwick to this day. He would be one of if not the face of the MCU today. It really does suck. Really hoping after secret wars they recast T’Challa and continue the legacy.
It has been well documented and said multiple times by Kevin Fiege that the original plan after End Game was to build around the new trilogy of T'Challa, Peter & Carol. I hope that isn't a spoiler. If it is I apologize. But the point is after Chad's death, they made the decisions that they did (you know the ones) and pivoted to the idea of moving the good doctor into that slot in the trilogy. We all know how that turned out. 😅 It was a very avoidable situation. The decisions they made ran the train off the tracks. It wasn't Chadwick. That's all I am going to say on that.
@ oh yeah I’ve heard of this before ! It is what it is. To me right now the big 3 that marvel markets the most is Doctor Strange, Spiderman, and Scarlet Witch. But when it comes to the upcoming doomsday movie I know sam’s cap and captain marvel will be leads for the avengers team I new live.
I wanted to share an idea for *Black Panther 3* or *Black Panther 4* that I think could be incredible, especially if Damson Idris were cast as T'Challa Jr. Damson Idris is 32 years old, 6'1", and of Nigerian descent-he’d be a perfect fit to play T'Challa Jr. in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. His recent performance in *Snowfall* shows he has the intensity and emotional range needed for such a role. Additionally, there’s an interesting coincidence here: Damson’s *Snowfall* character, Franklin Saint, was born and raised in South Los Angeles, while Michael B. Jordan’s Erik "Killmonger" Stevens was born and raised in Oakland, California. "Coincidence?" (in the words of the teacher from *The Incredibles*) “I think not!” #MarvelGotMoney Imagine if some of the brilliant writers and directors from *Snowfall* collaborated with Ryan Coogler and the Marvel team. It could add new layers to T'Challa's storyline and bring fresh perspectives to his character. In terms of storyline, Damson could truly capture the complex emotions of T'Challa Jr.-a young man dealing with the loss of his father and being raised by his mother. It could follow a theme similar to *The Lion King* but with a unique Marvel twist. *Black Panther: Wakanda Forever* introduced us to T'Challa and Nakia’s son, Toussaint, who has been raised in secret, setting the stage for his development. If Michael B. Jordan’s Killmonger is brought back from the Ancestral Plane, it would be powerful to see T'Challa Jr. encounter him. The Ancestral Plane is where past Wakandan rulers’ spirits reside, allowing the living to seek their guidance through the heart-shaped herb. When Shuri went under to connect with her ancestors, hoping to see her mother, she instead saw Killmonger. A similar encounter between T'Challa Jr. and Killmonger could be symbolic, bridging past conflicts and offering T'Challa Jr. wisdom as he steps into his role. Additionally, just imagine if characters like Leon, Louie, Uncle Jerome, Teddy, Gustavo, and Cissy from *Snowfall* could be integrated into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. They could bring a fresh, unique dynamic to the MCU, attracting a new audience. Ryan Coogler has previously compared T'Challa and Killmonger to Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X. Continuing this narrative with T'Challa Jr. and Killmonger could explore themes of nobility, understanding loss, being for the people, becoming a symbol, and taking action. Damson’s portrayal of T'Challa Jr. (a parallel to MLK Jr.) would be an excellent fit for this storyline. This could also be the perfect time to introduce mutants into the MCU. Casting Chloe Bailey as Storm would be a great choice, especially since she and Damson worked together on *Swarm*. In the comics, Storm and T'Challa have children, and adding Denzel Washington as the Panther Goddess Bast-either as a voice or in an astral/human form in the Ancestral Plane-could add even more depth to the story. Thanks for considering this idea! I’m excited about the potential future of T'Challa Jr. and the Black Panther legacy
Killmonger is a “villain” who has all of the right motives but goes about it the wrong way. If he hadn’t murdered so many while trying to accomplish his goal everyone would be on his side. Even T’challa changed his view of the isolation and Nationalism to do as Killmonger wanted.
This movie hit hard originally but once you realize Wakanda had all the means and technology to stop the rest of Africa from being enslaved and they did nothing about it, the whole story starts to not make any sense.....
It still makes sense. the reason Africa was in that situation was because they had resources. Of course you would see that and see it's safer to act like you have nothing to keep from having to constantly be in conflict with others, because then they would constantly be wanting to find ways to do the same to wakanda by getting hands on vibranium. So the whole story still makes complete sense.
Black Panther is the protector of Wakanda. King or Queen of Wakanda is the ruler title either passed down from the previous ruler to their heir or won by someone put forth by one of the original 5 tribes that formed Wakanda to challenge through the combat ritual. They do not have to be the same person. There have been a number of times in the comics where T'Challa is Black Panther but the ruler of Wakanda was someone else. But yes, usually it is the same person, T'Challa as both. With that I will stop because I will get spoilery and also start to point out the blunders they have made with the MCU Black Panther mythos.
maybe, just maybe, setting the succession of the throne for who is going to lead your country on two people throwing hands is not necessarily a very robust system :)
Killmonger took too much joy in his revenge. His father was not about sharing Wakanda's secret with the world and neither was Killmonger. HIs father wanted power; he was essentially an arms dealer doing what he did to empower himsel and not for altruistic purposes. Killmonger wanted payback and power. He didn't want to share with the world; he wanted to destroy the world. If his father had not been killed, he would have raised Killmonger to be what he became, That is why the child should have been brought back to Wakanda. Maybe that influence might have overcome what his father had instilled in him. That is the tragedy, placing the sins of the father on the son. Now you have to see Wakanda Forever which not only honors Chadwick Bowman but also shows us what happens when Wakanda's secret is no longer secret.
Okoye and the rest of the Dora are the Royal guard they are just loyal to the throne. And Tachala didn´t tecnicaly lose so. wen Kilmonger regect continuing with the challenge for the thorne they "Switch" sides because tecnichaly Tachala is still the King. "His friend" is who comited traicion wen He didn´t turn and chose Kilmonger's side. I hope I writed rigth. English is not my first language
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They made the audience relate more to the villain than the hero. That's brilliant writing.
Rest in peace, Chadwick Boseman.
The best Black Panther actor, no one could be better than him. 😢
@@Kaijufan360 Someone definitely can do it better or at least just as good
RIP
Wakanda forever!
WAKANDA FOREVER
Quynh is so sweet! Her Marvel reactions make me so happy.
To think that Chadwick was fighting cancer during the filming of this movie without anyone knowing. RiP
A true hero
Killmonger is the only villain in the MCU that changes the protagonist's mind by the end.
👌🏿😎🌴🌙
Tchalla was already BP before civil war his father got too old for the mantle so he passed it to tchalla. Tchaka remained king
Ah ok thank you!
RIP, Chadwick Boseman.
Wakanda forever.✊
I just happen to live in Chadwick’s hometown of Anderson, South Carolina. this man has done true king work here for kids & local communities. Wakanda Forever, My King 🤴🏿 🙅🏼♂️
Amazing god bless his soul
IMO Kilmonger is the best villain in the MCU, because he was so damn right with his ideology but wasn't right with the way he went about with his actions. Such an amazing character
100% agree. Such an incredible villian, one of my favorites from the MCU
Facts! Best villain in mcu history!! And the hottest 😂😂
I just realized he’s kinda like Malcolm X. Or Magneto with the ideals
The script of the Wakandan language (that morph into English titles) is a real-world alphabet called Tifinagh. It’s used by the Berber (Amazigh) and Touareg peoples in northwest Africa. When I saw this in the theater with my Algerian ex-wife, we spotted it at the same time and immediately started jogging elbows like “Did you see that???”😄😂
Oh dang no way! That’s legit I thought it was made up
@ It is indeed legit. My ex is Algerian Berber (aka Kabylian) which is how I found out about it. The people involved in the movie design pulled influences from various cultures all over the African continent, this being one of many examples.😎
The scene about whether they are loyal to their country by following their king vs doing what is best for their own people, even if it goes against what their king says, feels way too relevant. The message here is to always be loyal to the county's people first, because if the leader is also loyal to them, then there is no conflict of interest.
The nephew who took over (sorry I forgot names) was following their rules but he didn't have any loyalty to Wakanda's people.
That said, I agree that his motives are the most interesting for a villain, even if his actions are deplorable. He is the villain Wakanda created.
Also leaders can be corrupt or irrational or plain psychopaths and cannot hold power over all in those circumstances
This movie holds a special place in my heart. Before it came out, I had a dream similar to T'Challa going to the ancestral plane. I was walking in a park and I saw my grandfather walking down on steps from the Heaven. We embraced while I was telling him how sorry I was for not being there to say goodbye. He simply smiled and told me that it doesn't matter and he'll always love and watch over me. I watched him walk back to heaven before I woke up crying. The Ancestral Plane scene always makes me cry because of this. Black Panther has been brought to shows and games before, but Chadwick is the one who brought the character to life. To hear that he has passed was a shocker. Chadwick will still be getting his star in the walk of fame and it's well deserved. RIP to my grandfather, to Chadwick, and of course another legend...Stan Lee. Wakanda Forever!
RIP our Black Panther-Chadwick Boseman from South Carolina
Wakanda Forever 🖤🖤
Best presentation of this movie I have experienced was a live public showing with the Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra playing the soundtrack.
That sounds amazing!! (And I bet it sounded amazing! 😂)
@@emilyrln It is now a regular event with other movies. Check your area for any local events. The cost was OK as well with a wide budget range. (Any seat is OK with an event like that.)
As a South African this movie is so sentimental to me🥹 not just because they speak isiXhosa and all the South African actors they have in it but also the subtle history eater eggs they have throughout the movie. My favourite one is when killmonger breaks the spear to make it shorter which is a strategy that was developed by the iconic Shaka Zulu, king of the Zulu kingdom during the war as a more efficient way to kill his enemies.
Anyway long over due reaction but worth the wait ❤
As a South African I agree Zulu people are awesome
@ South Africans are awesome nawe uyazi 😂😂👌 top tier quality people.
"The world took everything for me" - as an African, I can empathize with an African American man saying that. They lost everything.
There is a reason Wakandans refer to them as members of The Lost Tribe.
10:50 It was implied that- due to his age - King T'Chaka had turned the mantle of Black Panther over to his son T'Challa several years before the events of Civil War. (You may not have noticed, but both T'Chaka and the actor who plays him have a glass eye, so it can be assumed that was a contributing factor to him turning over the mantle.) But as long as T'Chaka was alive he remained King of Wakanda. The ritual battle was for the throne, not necessarily the mantle of Black Panther. The fact the Wakandans have an antidote to the powered imbued by the Heart-Shaped herb implies this passing of the mantle has happened before.
When T'Challa asks Zuri what happened to the child, Zuri says they left him behind because they had to "preserve the lie". At the time, Wakanda was still hiding in plain sight, and in that sense Killmonger is a monster of their own creation.
Just like the Anti-Defamation League and the media likes to preserve the lies they tell us about different races when the truth is the closest thing to Wakanda in real life is North Sentinel Island.. Where they still have mud stick huts for homes. Buahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
M'baku is such a great character! I really love the role he plays in Wakanda Forever. Can't wait for y'all to watch that one, but bring tissues.
In that comeback scene I like to think that it is Chadwick telling us "As you can see, i'm not dead" 😭🕊
He lives on in everyone he inspired with his life and work 💕
I like to think that if Killmonger was able to grow up in Wakanda with his father and family he would’ve been something like Nakia: a spy/war dog who focuses on outreach. I think he would’ve been on the leader front for when T’Challa began the Wakandan Outreach Program (in my hyper-optimistic world 😂)
Klaue was in AGE OF ULTRON who cut his arm off, remember.
48:09 that advice is well known in centuries for a man in a relationship because either you will win by losing relationship or relationship wins😂😂
I work in the Entertainment Industry here in London. Andy Serkis is a fantastic director and actor... and a lovely man. He owns a huge motion capture studio near where I live.
Its absolutely amazing inside 😁🇬🇧
Nice to Bilbo and Gollum back together again in the MCU.
Bilbo can still meet Smaug...
@@bowdennthani732 Everett never met Stephen
@@FrodoBaggins2006 indeed... he still could in the future, maybe?
Since most of the main cast in this film were black, Andy Serkis and Martin Freeman called themselves the "Tolkien white boys" on set. 🙂
People really sleep on this movie it’s so underrated it get so much hate for no reason. I hated when ppl act like it was just over hyped no black panther brought a lot of people into the mcu.
@ not finna read allat😂😂✌🏼
Doesn't matter. Those of us who know, KNOW.
@@sidj6745 you rite💯 but don’t uu think it’s crazy I think it hasn’t been a solo marvel movie to ever touch wat black panther did💯 it was hella memes everywhere people were actually showing up to the movies to watch and it was the first black superhero which made it way more bigger. Idk I just feel like ppl kind of push it to the side and pretends it’s just a regular movie when it’s up there with the best mcu movies.
@Cp3handless agree but I'm not surprised. There is so much I cld say but this is not the forum for it.
Because the actors that play Klaue and Ross were both in the Hobbet, they referred to themselves as the Tolkien white guys while filming.
south park did it
That’s amazing hahaha
the saddest part is that boseman had cancer during this, and in between shoots his going off on his own, having private massages (to get through pains), and private meals made. everyone on set was just thinking he was some pre-madonna or conceited when in reality he was just trying to keep it together to get the film finished as he saw it as his legacy. nobody found out about any of it till after. talk about dignity and professionalism, he gave a great performance despite hiw much he must of been suffering with long shoots on set
@1:04:50 -- the challenge for the throne might not be open to just anyone. it might be open only to members of the ruling families, which would explain why killmonger brandished his father's royal ring to stake his claim. if the challenge is open to any wakandan, then killmonger's lip tattoo alone would've sufficed.
This movie came full circle for Chadwick and Michael B Jordan. Chadwick is in a daytime soap opera show, All My Children as Reggie Montgomery. He didn’t like how Reggie was being portrayed so he asked the execs for changes. He got fired from the show, and Michael B Jordan replaced him as Reggie.
THIS IS MY FAVORITE MARVEL MOVIE EVER!!
This was also the biggest cast of black actors ever! And they’ve won awards for the costuming because it’s all SO GOOD! I wear a Black Panther dog tag every day just hoping to talk to ANYONE about this movie. It’s so much deeper than any other marvel property. Wow wow wow. Every rewatch just makes me so much happier ❤
Hard to watch this now - Chadwick was so perfect in the role. Such a tragedy for him to die so young
I hope you watch the shows too on your journey! You’ll see a little more of Bucky’s relationship with Wakanda, including a really really beautiful moment of acting for Sebastian.
This and Spiderman Homecoming are my fave marvel films because the villain’s motivations are heartbreakingly believable. I remember my first time watching both, and *wanting* Killmonger and Toomes to get vindication, justice, or respect. Because they’re both right! The world is full of injustice and hate and I can’t blame them for wanting to fight back. But they let revenge take over, without thinking of how to rebuild and heal and grow, and it blinds them to their eventual downfall.
Rest in Peace Chadwick Boseman. One of the best actors in recent cinema.
Hard agree! I feel so bad for both of them because they could have been powerful forces for good if they had let go of their hatred.
Thanks for uploading, im sure there was a reason for it being late. But we are all here, we waited! :)
Thanks for being patient :)
That's Andy Serkis, voice of and motion capture actor for Gollum. He also did motion capture for King Kong and many other characters.
What a goated Actor
how you gonna leave out caesar 😭
@@shayasims You're right, Caeser, as well
@@shayasims who's Ceasar?
@shayasims oh i got it, The Ape
Martin Freeman (Ross) and Serkis (Klaue) were in the Hobbit as Bilbo and Gollum.
It's a shame they never met up with Dr. Strange and the Red Skull 😂
Here’s where Kill monger failed. He let his circumstances and his father’s death turn him into a tool of revenge, while Black panther took the mistakes of his father and learned from them and showed that Power and Justice isn’t about blind revenge.
T’Challa took on the mantle of Black Panther some time before T’Chaka died actually. He would have acted as an extension of his father’s will once his father got too old to bare the title from a physical perspective. It’s why the first suit he has through out Civil War up to the first couple of minutes in this film is as he says, his own design. The mantle is just the king’s to bear if he is able and willing or to share with anyone of their choosing I believe.
Yes the contrast between M'baku and Erik is striking but similar, both want the throne and for semi-noble purposes on the outside but one truly wants it with what he believes is in Wakanda's best interest and that is M'Baku, he challenged T'Challa using the appropriate traditions not out of hatred toward T'CHalla but out of a belief that the Golden Tribe had ruled long enough and were failing as leaders, he is not entirely wrong in that belief. N'Jadaka hated T'Challa, and Wakanda and hated the World too, he was hurt with no way he saw other than to make all others feel his pain.
Ooof, it’s tough watching T’challa say these beautiful things with the world we live in. I believe strongly in the good and decency of people and the world but there is so much division and injustice, especially now. And a world where beautiful people like Chadwick are no longer with us makes it seem all the more unfair. But…I do also see so much good and beauty every day and it more important now than ever to, as he says, learn to look after one another.
Well-said! It’s the hard times where living by principles of wisdom and empathy like Chadwick says are even more crucial than ever
Hey, Nick. Did you know that in the interrogation scene was Bilbo and Gollum were having a game of riddles?
Tchaka told his son it's hard for a good man to be king because he knew he did questionable things killing his brother leaving his nephew and not telling nobody
for the next MCU movie - get your special sock out nerds… it's gon' get good !!
This is an excellent one, but next up is the MCU masterpiece!
antman and wasp i think is next then Infinity War
@@rj119x - Nope. That is just after Infinity War (just think of what Ant-Man & The Wasp's mid-credits scene is).
BTW tchalla literally jumped on a grenade like Steve did in the first cap film
Without the actual risk. It was a tactical move, not sacrificial.
@@Akaeusstill heroic…..
@@Akaeusthere was no risk with cap either
I have always wondered if Wakanda is anywhere near Zamunda, the country that Eddie Murphy’s character Prince Akeem from Coming to America.
Such a blast. Thanks!
It’s not just the King (or whoever is on the throne) that can be the Black Panther. T’Challa for example was already acting as the Black Panther while his father was still King (hence his ability to make that jump to try to save his father during the bombing in Civil War). It’s really abt does the ruler still have the physical capacity to be the Black Panther and who do they choose to pass it down to. Its more nuanced in the comics but yeah
Short and sweet. Nobody's perfect...not even a King. We're all human...and do the best we can, with what we have.
Black panther dad and all of the other wakandan kings are beyond perfect. They literally sat on their asses and watched the slave trade and slavery happen , all of the evil hateful racist things that happened 2 black people after slavery and didn't deem it worthy of their help
Wrong, T'Challa became Black Panther ever since 2009 in the timeline, because T'Chaka was getting too old and he passed the mantle to his son, while he remained king until he passed away
44:24 sound attacks doesn't charge the suit. High frequency sounds can disable the suit. That's what her weapon did same like those panels in the mine
We are ready to Infinty war
RIP Chadwick!
Could be wrong, but IMO, the mistake T'Chaka made was killing N'Jobu. Not because he's his brother, but he ought to have disabled him, then taken him back to Wakanda to face what he had done. T'Chaka was shortsighted. Who knows how N'Jadaka would have turned out, but I doubt he would have become Erik Killmonger Stevens. He could have at least grown up with T'Challa, W'Kabi, etc., plus the privileges & influence of living in Wakanda. The healing tech that treated Bucky could have helped N'Jadaka deal with trauma, at least. It looked like W'Kabi could have benefitted from treatment when young as well.
Love M'Baku.
The American movie baba(father) use to watch. Referring to the sneakers she created. Back to the Future 2 Marty wore them.
18:43 That's why they call him Klaue and it's all thanks to Ultron😊😊😊
His name literally is Klaue.....
Andy Serkis who in this movie played Ulysses Klaue was Gollum in the lord of the rings. Martin Freeman who plays the agent Everett Ross played a younger Bilbo Baggins in the hobbit an unexpected journey.
M’Baku is called Man-Ape in the comics
40:09 that is where the Sanctums are from Dr Strange. Wonder why they used only these three locations 😅
I noticed that, too! Maybe they had particularly powerful resources in those places? Or they knew they might have to fight the sorcerers?
That is the great thing about the modern MCU villains. They have a reasonable point
You know GREAT story telling, when in the end, you can feel bad for a character that's had hundreds of kills, and meant to annihilate the planet. R.I.P. Chadwick
Really good post movie discussion. So many good points brought up.
Thank you!
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About W'Kabi (Okoye's husband)
Later in the MCU, it's made clear that he was imprisoned after the events of Black Panther
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yea I've also always disliked W'Kabi's switch up on T'Challa and everyone else
I mean, I guess even in Wakanda, there's gonna be some uhh... backstabbing, snakey, a-hole-ish type ppl (I don't really know how to describe him tbh, I'm not good with negative descriptors lol
But when I think about it, I can almost understand as I've recently witnessed something similar in my life: sometimes knowing people, and having long relations with them, is exactly the fuel that eventually burns the relationship down
Any arguments that were never resolved; expectations that were never met and etc only add to the resentfulness of a person once things get to a very bad place-- or atleast, so I've seen recently
For W'Kabi, the only thing grievance he had towards the Elders and the past King was that they never brought Klaue (I forgot how to spell his name oof) to justice, but realistically, there were might have been other experiences he had that facilitated his betrayal
Or maybe he was just a shallow jerk character lol
Unfortunate
That blade looks like the spear of destiny
Trilith Studios, near Atlanta, has been used for many MCU films including this one. Atlanta is about 50% black. To show how far there is still to go in racial equality, Ryan Coogler, the director of the film, was arrested for "banking while black" in Atlanta. One of the suppliers for the film would only take cash, so Coogler went to take $10,000 out of his own account to pay them. The teller thought it was some kind of scam, so she pushed the button to summon the police, and Coogler was arrested and put in a police car until they could straighten things out.
For me the real villain is Killmonger's father, he is the one who betrayed Wakanda, knowing very well their ways of living and their reason to hide. Tchaka was not going to kill him, but he fought and tried to kill Zuri. If they took him back, how were they were they going to explain his father's disappearance. Tchaka was at fault as much as N'jobu
Great reaction
Can yall react to The Karate Kid 2010 movie
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Still miss Chadwick to this day. He would be one of if not the face of the MCU today. It really does suck. Really hoping after secret wars they recast T’Challa and continue the legacy.
It has been well documented and said multiple times by Kevin Fiege that the original plan after End Game was to build around the new trilogy of T'Challa, Peter & Carol. I hope that isn't a spoiler. If it is I apologize. But the point is after Chad's death, they made the decisions that they did (you know the ones) and pivoted to the idea of moving the good doctor into that slot in the trilogy. We all know how that turned out. 😅
It was a very avoidable situation. The decisions they made ran the train off the tracks. It wasn't Chadwick. That's all I am going to say on that.
@ oh yeah I’ve heard of this before ! It is what it is. To me right now the big 3 that marvel markets the most is Doctor Strange, Spiderman, and Scarlet Witch. But when it comes to the upcoming doomsday movie I know sam’s cap and captain marvel will be leads for the avengers team I new live.
Long live Chadwick boseman,wakanda forever🖤
I hear what you’re saying about Killmonger, but he did kill his uncle & lover, point blank 😉
Definitely evil just with a solid and believable motivation
I wanted to share an idea for *Black Panther 3* or *Black Panther 4* that I think could be incredible, especially if Damson Idris were cast as T'Challa Jr.
Damson Idris is 32 years old, 6'1", and of Nigerian descent-he’d be a perfect fit to play T'Challa Jr. in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. His recent performance in *Snowfall* shows he has the intensity and emotional range needed for such a role. Additionally, there’s an interesting coincidence here: Damson’s *Snowfall* character, Franklin Saint, was born and raised in South Los Angeles, while Michael B. Jordan’s Erik "Killmonger" Stevens was born and raised in Oakland, California. "Coincidence?" (in the words of the teacher from *The Incredibles*) “I think not!” #MarvelGotMoney
Imagine if some of the brilliant writers and directors from *Snowfall* collaborated with Ryan Coogler and the Marvel team. It could add new layers to T'Challa's storyline and bring fresh perspectives to his character.
In terms of storyline, Damson could truly capture the complex emotions of T'Challa Jr.-a young man dealing with the loss of his father and being raised by his mother. It could follow a theme similar to *The Lion King* but with a unique Marvel twist.
*Black Panther: Wakanda Forever* introduced us to T'Challa and Nakia’s son, Toussaint, who has been raised in secret, setting the stage for his development. If Michael B. Jordan’s Killmonger is brought back from the Ancestral Plane, it would be powerful to see T'Challa Jr. encounter him. The Ancestral Plane is where past Wakandan rulers’ spirits reside, allowing the living to seek their guidance through the heart-shaped herb. When Shuri went under to connect with her ancestors, hoping to see her mother, she instead saw Killmonger. A similar encounter between T'Challa Jr. and Killmonger could be symbolic, bridging past conflicts and offering T'Challa Jr. wisdom as he steps into his role.
Additionally, just imagine if characters like Leon, Louie, Uncle Jerome, Teddy, Gustavo, and Cissy from *Snowfall* could be integrated into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. They could bring a fresh, unique dynamic to the MCU, attracting a new audience.
Ryan Coogler has previously compared T'Challa and Killmonger to Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X. Continuing this narrative with T'Challa Jr. and Killmonger could explore themes of nobility, understanding loss, being for the people, becoming a symbol, and taking action. Damson’s portrayal of T'Challa Jr. (a parallel to MLK Jr.) would be an excellent fit for this storyline.
This could also be the perfect time to introduce mutants into the MCU. Casting Chloe Bailey as Storm would be a great choice, especially since she and Damson worked together on *Swarm*. In the comics, Storm and T'Challa have children, and adding Denzel Washington as the Panther Goddess Bast-either as a voice or in an astral/human form in the Ancestral Plane-could add even more depth to the story.
Thanks for considering this idea! I’m excited about the potential future of T'Challa Jr. and the Black Panther legacy
Killmonger is a “villain” who has all of the right motives but goes about it the wrong way. If he hadn’t murdered so many while trying to accomplish his goal everyone would be on his side. Even T’challa changed his view of the isolation and Nationalism to do as Killmonger wanted.
Nice reaction waiting for the finest Avengers Infinity War
😂😂😂 "kick him off"
This movie hit hard originally but once you realize Wakanda had all the means and technology to stop the rest of Africa from being enslaved and they did nothing about it, the whole story starts to not make any sense.....
It still makes sense. the reason Africa was in that situation was because they had resources. Of course you would see that and see it's safer to act like you have nothing to keep from having to constantly be in conflict with others, because then they would constantly be wanting to find ways to do the same to wakanda by getting hands on vibranium. So the whole story still makes complete sense.
Black Panther is the protector of Wakanda.
King or Queen of Wakanda is the ruler title either passed down from the previous ruler to their heir or won by someone put forth by one of the original 5 tribes that formed Wakanda to challenge through the combat ritual.
They do not have to be the same person. There have been a number of times in the comics where T'Challa is Black Panther but the ruler of Wakanda was someone else. But yes, usually it is the same person, T'Challa as both. With that I will stop because I will get spoilery and also start to point out the blunders they have made with the MCU Black Panther mythos.
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46:25 did M'Baku just pick up a dude with one hand? lol and he's not even super powered
I *thought* this was before Avengers. Cuz they're in it.
maybe, just maybe, setting the succession of the throne for who is going to lead your country on two people throwing hands is not necessarily a very robust system :)
Can you guys react to Nativity the 2009 Christmas movie, I love it. It is one of my absolute favourite Christmas movies
We need way more reactions with your gf in it she was amazing lol
The concensus is that Killmonger was right. I bet on Black.
Andy Serkis and Martin Freeman were labelled the Tolkien White Boys 😂
I can't wait for your reaction to Infinity War😭😭
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Finallyyyyyy :D
I wonder, when the time comes, you be in Deadpool
Killmonger took too much joy in his revenge. His father was not about sharing Wakanda's secret with the world and neither was Killmonger. HIs father wanted power; he was essentially an arms dealer doing what he did to empower himsel and not for altruistic purposes.
Killmonger wanted payback and power. He didn't want to share with the world; he wanted to destroy the world. If his father had not been killed, he would have raised Killmonger to be what he became, That is why the child should have been brought back to Wakanda. Maybe that influence might have overcome what his father had instilled in him. That is the tragedy, placing the sins of the father on the son.
Now you have to see Wakanda Forever which not only honors Chadwick Bowman but also shows us what happens when Wakanda's secret is no longer secret.
Okoye and the rest of the Dora are the Royal guard they are just loyal to the throne. And Tachala didn´t tecnicaly lose so. wen Kilmonger regect continuing with the challenge for the thorne they "Switch" sides because tecnichaly Tachala is still the King. "His friend" is who comited traicion wen He didn´t turn and chose Kilmonger's side. I hope I writed rigth. English is not my first language
You did great, my friend.
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Great movie ❤❤
I can't wait for infinity war please react fast😬
I would like to recommend a movie but be warned it's hard to watch.
Casualties of war with MJ Fox
Very emotional 😥
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Please react to the other Rambo movies and Red Dawn 😊
RIP Chad Boseman
Y’all should watch Aquaman
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