Factual, he gave them the Codex as guidelines on what to do and how, but he also expected them to adapt as situations demanded and find effective solutions. Thus why he was so adamant that his Ultramarines practiced and used the theoreticals and practicals, that allow for a quick assessment of a situation and offer a possible solution that deals with the problem.
It’s super cool how this explains how Brother Titus’ actions don’t clash well with the other Ultramarines, because he is used to being in the Deathwatch, he is used to thinking outside the box. And for codex-compliant chapters, it looks like insubordination.
Ty for the comment. Yes, Titus sometimes thinks outside the box and tries think other ultramarines would not. Even though Roboute guilliman wrote the codex he actually values individual thinking, and deviations from the codex.
Titus' free thinking ways were what got him into the deathwatch. He was suspected for corruption and a constant target for suspicion with the way he carried out his missions. Ironically, this deathwatch punishment did work out the "kinks" in his mind as he defaulted to unthinking compliance with the codex upon his return. Which, (SPOILERS) doesn't last too long, leading to his squadmates resenting him to the point of attempting to kill him later in Space Marine 2.
I always thought g-man made the codex as a set of guidelines to be expanded upon and change it when the situation calls it, not as the ironclad unchangeable bible 😅
@@dominikreinhart3457he did. It’s a set of rules and guidelines for the astartes but he even tells Uriel Ventress that the codex was meant to be guidelines and that rules are sometimes meant to be broken. (I don’t have the exact quote)
I just realised that the codex Astartes doesn't support spending 90% of your time falling out of thunderhawks but it's one of Titus's favourite activities.
Nonetheless, it’s so cool that there’s an entire Primaris unit that operates off of that kind of insertion, hiding in debris falling from orbit. They’re called Inceptors.
As Titus explained to Leandros at the end of the first game. The codex is a mere set of rules, guidelines on how to conduct themselves. But it's how they live with those rules that makes a space marine.
Guilliman approves of the Death Watch as they are something he wanted for all Space Marines, a true brotherhood of various chapters. Plus Guilliman is a pragmatist and he whole heartedly believes in adapting to circumstances and finding effective solutions and the Death Watch are the epitome of this belief.
When guilliman came back, he was shocked that most chapters followed the codex so rigidly. The codex was supposed to be a guideline until the emperium got its shit together again.
Abd now he is busy writing Codex Imperialis - basically a rulebook for good governance. But TBF the Imperium would need to create a separate Inquisition ordo and a few Space Marine chapters to enforce it, lmao
@@markaragnos2446 i dont think it was a single book but over the course of everything since his resurrection he has hated what's become of the chapters. He's the only primarch that truly appreciates constructive criticism so if he came back to learn that the codex astartes was added upon positively over the last 10 thousand years he would have been really happy. Remember that strict codex compliant chapters follow the codex up and more than not to their detriment or extinction.
Funny since Space Wolves are very common in the Deahwatch. Also dunno about Black Templars since they have their own rules, much stricter than the Codex.
The Deathwatch is seen as an honour, but many space marines who come back from service are forever shaken by what they have seen. Even worst, if the Deathwatch calls for chapters to send someone, changes are high they will request a former deathwatch, much to his sadness. In the words of a watch captain himself regarding how hard service is in the Deathwatch : "Amongst a hundred men, there may be none fit for the Adeptus Astartes. Amongst a hundred Space Marines, there may be one fit for the Deathwatch."
Yeah it's a brutal and harrowing experience, with few Astartes even really surviving that long given the nature of the missions, and most Chapter's only tend to send people they think will survive (i.e. the best they can afford without weakening the Chapter normally a Company Captain wouldn't be on that list for obvious reasons) in the first place, but the odds are still stacked against them. Astartes in their own Chapter might be sent on pretty horrific missions, but they have their Brother's to support them whilst missions with such odds usually have greater numbers deployed, and usually have some degree of time to come to terms with it. The Deathwatch are constantly on duty, always thrust into the worst scenarios in small numbers, see so many of their fellow Astartes die or suffer other horrific fates alongside doing things that might conflict with their Chapter's morality (like sacrificing innocents for a Salamander to achieve a greater goal), and they operate in the shadows, something many Astartes seem to despise. It also gives them an idea of the true threats the Imperium faces, your average Astartes will be informed of the stakes, will face odds that can easily change the fate of entire worlds, and will know the history of conflict with a given foe (because Astartes are supposedly super intelligent despite how dumb they often act), but that's different to seeing the true scale of shit that will NEVER be public knowledge, even to Astartes Chapter's, and they have to constantly face this. Plus when they get back the Brother's they knew will potentially either be dead or at minimum distant, often promoted above them if they survive, and they can't really relate given their more solitary and isolated experiences over potentially centuries. If anything the only reason they can survive it is because they are Astartes, but it still fucks them up.
I really like how this is explored in the Blood Angels animation and how difficult it would be for them to manage their gene flaws away from their brothers
Not all see it as an honor. White Scars hate it because they rarely get to use bikes thus see being sent to the Deathwatch as a punishment as they rarely get to experience speed. Wolves hate it because they lose their pack, however when a Wolf returns to his legion they are welcomed with a feast so he can tell his stories and return to his pack mates. The Returned Wolf has a month to train alongside his former pack mates to reintegrate with them before being sent anywhere minimum, though it is often longer. Salamanders do not see it as an honor but do see it as a necessity so they will go. All Deathwatch groups know that if they have a Salamander with them, they WILL have to break mission protocal to help civillians at some point. It will happen and nothing will prevent it. Salamanders will sadly go along with making needed sacrifices. However, if it is not /needed/ they will force their squad to help. They all know it and accept it. Blood Angels have issues hiding their gene flaw. However, they interestingly tend to be more open about it with the Wolves in their group if they have one because the Wolf gene flaw is known and they have tamed it. Blood Angels that have served alongside Space Wolves for long years always seem to have a much stronger resiliance against their own gene flaws. Unfortunately they cannot share the knowledge they gained as it is something they just 'get' after spending time alongside a Wolf for so long. An innate sharing of knowledge that is not taught so much as just watched and integrated slowly over time without conscious effort. Amusingly the returned Blood Angel will usually be a touch more 'savage' while having this innate resistance to the gene flaw. There are a few short stories of these Blood Angels being able to force the black rage to not take hold. They feel the rage rise then remember how their Wolf ally would act when the battle rage would rise in them and follow suit...which shatters the black rage and allows them to maintain control. I wish they would expand ont his lore but thats about all that exists on it. Dark Angels consider it an honor, but the problem they have is if they learn anything about the Fallen they are honor bound to ignore it for the mission. This legit destroys their morale. With the Lion returned however, the Fallen are being returned into the fold and thus these problems will eventually go away in the chapter.
@@Nempo13 Excellent details there ! The Imperial Fists see it as a very high honour and calling, yet we see in a short story comics of the Deathwatch that the oath calls for an Imperial Fist that did not one but TWO tour of duty in the Watch, and he is called for a third. His captain praise him that he was a bit jealous of all the glory that was awaiting his battle brother, while the veteran was almost having PTSD on the spot seeing where the Deathwatch was calling for him to be deployed. The minotaurs are raging assholes when it comes to their watch services, but they soon learn much to their horror that the Deathwatch has ways to make even the minotaurs bend the knees. Officially it's an honour, many space marines see it as an honour, some chapters see it as a chore, but for all the space marines who see their brother coming back, they are shocked that they recognize the face, but not the man wearing it.
Damn! I didn't know these guys were THE shit! (I'm a complete newbie. My first Warhammer game was Darktide, but man, do I love learning every piece of lore)
At the start, Titus had DRIP. Like, Holy Terra, I like the outfit. Then it dried up and went boringsville blue again. So damn sick of seeing Blueberries color scheme. Give us a game that's about a different chapter with the same play style, or fix Space Hulk: Deathwing. That one was an awful game. I liked the idea, but I ended up beating it out of spite. For me, Spacehulk Deathwing crashed every 15 minutes practically on the dot. Did have fun ringing the giant bell though lol. I never could get into the Dawn of War series. Required too much brain work. Then there's Darktide. I'd like to try it, but alas, basic "Essential" PS+ is now 80 bucks. And I'm thinking I'm done with Playstation after this last price hike.
@@howard5755regarding DeathWing , did you try the Enhanced edition that followed the original launch - if you had purchased the original, enhanced is a free download and basically fixed 90% of all the bugs and crashing that the original launch had
Not everyone knows or cares to do college level research to understand a fictional worlds lore. You qct live everyone has a full understanding of WH40K and just immediately understands the various interactions therein. Pompous asholes are what you are.
No crap since the death watch is not a space marine chapter, it's an inquisitorial creation taking the skills from each chapter for a specific task and to take in those space marines that have lost their chapter for some reason. So the codex Astartis dose not apply.
@@christofferskoog9210 They don't recruit their own aspirants and the marines are still part of their own chapters and still bear their original chapter badge.
@@christofferskoog9210 The fact they don't have the identity of a chapter, and in fact send the Astartes serving there back to their original chapters once their service is done. They don't have their own geneseed, they don't recruit aspirants, only from other Space Marine chapters (which is actually beneficial for said chapters as the returning Brothers will teach the special tactics they learned for fighting Xenos to the rest of their Chapter)
@@christofferskoog9210 bro it’s like the absolute surface level lore for Deathwatch. I don’t intend to be rude or mean but it has to be asked, did you do any research before making this video or was it AI generated or what? Like if it was AI generated then, fair enough, that there would be the problem. If it’s the former then you gotta do better.
Blood Angels - Baal Predators, Black Rage/Red Thirst, murdering anyone who investigates and everyone who investigates why the investigators never came back Space Wolves - Riding Wolves, Frost Weapons, Rune Priests, Lone Wolves going off on their own to die, brothers turning into werewolves Dark Angels - Watchers in the Dark, inner circle, the entire raven wing formations thing Iron Hands - What the Emperor gave us is weak, I can do better by changing how I was created Ravenguard - what the hell is a formation? Nah thats to slow, we fast as F**K BOY! Blood Raven - "We need bigger libraries for all these librarians with all the books we stole from everyone else" Imperial Fists - I f we gotta we'll rip up the codex to do what we have to do reform the legion and call it The Last Wall Black Templars..... I'm not typing all that out buit seeing as how they are crazy Imperial Fists you get the point Black Dragons - "Wolverine is awesome... hey I gotta idea" Yup most adhering checks out........
The death watch are a black ops space marine chapter who deal with xeno threats also using xeno weapons to also combat the threats. They also work with inquisition ( though not always a steady partnership). Not all deathwatch are black shields, some are serving a tour of duty it is considered an honor and when returned to the chapter they are instantly respected and considered to be an ultimate warrior.
It's criminal they went primaris with Titus when the death watch not only has a much aesthetic than normal marines, but allows for "special forces" operations and tactics, included unique and exotic equipment and would have made a better game
I always had a liking for the Deathwatch, but the game is Space Marine, not Deathwatch. I feel like the deathwatch would have a more niche game style. Space Marine should be more vanilla
The shareholder's gloryhole that Games Workshop have become were only ever gonna push the garbage Primaris angle because it's part of their business model. How else are they gonna sell kids' comics and plushies and action figures and completely ignore the roots of their hobby in order to wrangle short-attention span bored rich parent's idiot children if they don't keep a consistent and hollow business model.
You peeps mean "went with Ultramarines" and "garbage Ultramarines angle" right? Cause primaris isnt an Order, they are the new gen of Space Marines that, filled every Space Marine Order by Bobbys return. And yeah, the Ultramarines are the most easy to understand. Cause they are one of the most Codex fixated cause their daddy wrote it 10 milllenia ago and second they dont have flaws in their geneseed like most of the other Orders. They are your typical "SM/Army Poster Boys".
@@dominicraj9775 I'm really not sure how you've made that big a misinterpretation. I mean they should have stuck with the Mk7 Deathwatch armour, but instead they wanted to showcase all the variants of MkX armour and make a big song and dance about primaris models, which are less aesthetically pleasing, and less grimdark looking. But thanks for mansplaining ultramarines to everyone. I've been in this hobby for 30+ years.
@sylthaya7571 Delta Force takes people from every branch of the Special Forces and Deathwatch is a group of Space Marines from every other Legion so it's more like Delta
“why doesn’t the dedicated special forces branch composed of veterans of every chapter for the sole purpose of killing xenos follow the same organizational structure as normal chapters” was never a question I had.
It’s always been so interesting to me when a battle brother from like, let’s say the Red Scorpions is given deathwatch duties. How would he fair seeing the chapters HOLY BELIEF AND REVERENCE of the Codex?
Actually if you combine the Deathwatch and Raptor Marines, you'd make a deadly line up. It's like combining Marines with Navy Seals. Rather than the usual Warrior Doctrine of the Astartes.
I use the deathwatch codex as the rules set for my samurai themed space marines. They got the raptors color scheme going on, and not a ton of ornamentation. Love the OD green color for the primaris armor patterns. The raptor's chapter master is so beastly
no, inquistion. death watch is run by the inquistion and is used for missions that absolutely has to succeed no matter the cost. hence why kill teams can be made up of any marine chapter. if you want to know more its a tabletop roleplaying game with a game manual.
What gregor said, also chapters can have their own "black ops" as in a special force made of phobos operatives, they dont have to do anything with death watch. You can find "black ops" in the sense in any chapter.
the Deathwatch follow what is known as "modern squad tactics" tbh they're made of various Space Marine chapters and they're train to fight outside the box.
Ty for the comment. Yes, one example of Guillimann breaking the codex was when he killed Alpharius/Omegon. The problem was that when he was gone the codex almost became like a religious text, and questioning/deviating from it was almost seen as heretical.
We need a Deathwatch new game. Cuz that intro gameplay is what got me into this dark grim world. I need that Deathwatch armor Titus had at the beginning.
@@Patrick_EdwardsPeople more often than not dislike primaris helmets, tbh I do too, its just too fun and menacing at the same time the perpetually angry face, otherwise primaris is literally just a risky upgrade or life saving surgery (Titus) inlore, outside of lore through, Everyone and their mothers knew it was just a marketing tactic to sell updated models of previous minis while bolstering the prices even higher
@@Aureonw thx for the answer. Maybe it's cause I'm new but I prefer the Primaris Models my Brother and I started a few months back and I love his Primaris Marines. Love my Necrons too.
@Patrick_Edwards the Primaris is cool but the helmets seem to be the biggest visual flaw, and the lore around them coming about isn't the best. That's all Enjoy your dudes!
@@TheAtomicSpoon I've been playing 40k for 30 years dude and PLAY Deathwatch (even in their current state) in the tabletop, there is a Deathwatch game on PS and Steam I know of for sure, called "Deathwatch" and it sucks it even has an enhanced edition.. much like Deathwing... I know because I own it. Use google and stop trying to correct me.
Ty for the comment. You raise some interesting points. The Codex Astartes was written by Roboute Guilliman and was meant as a guide for how Space Marine chapters should operate, ensuring structure and consistency across the Imperium’s forces. The problem was that many began treating the Codex as a religious text, and any deviation from it was almost seen as heresy. As a result, many chapters lost that individual spark and the ability to come up with unorthodox tactics. It's important to note that Guilliman was considered by many to be the greatest strategist of all the Primarchs, so the Codex was incredibly effective. However, the Deathwatch is not bound by it, which gives them more flexibility. In many cases, this adaptability has allowed them to succeed in missions where strict adherence to the Codex might have been limiting.
So these are the Black Ops team among the Spec Ops platoon, within the Private Ops Order in Army of the Emperium. Man, Space Marines are so f*cking cool.
Would have loved to see the chemistry between the different deathwatch members. Titus was there for a while and i'd imagine formed some kinds of bonds with the other Astartes there
The codex is basic training and advanced battlefield tactics, as well a logistical guidelines for properly operating a space marine chapter, troop counts, leadership roles that need filled, structure and regulations. It is extremely useful, damn near absolutely critical that marines fight to these standards and within these rules when in large scale engagements to keep the chain of command functioning properly. But, in the case of space marine 1 AND 2, we see 3 ultrmarines basically put into an incredible small kill team, given irregular orders, grabbing whatever equipment in the field they can find, and following whatever path to their objective becomes opennor possible. In both games the situation is extemely desperate, its not until the end of space marine 2 that we truly see a large scale ultrmarines deployment. All of this is to say that when it comes to the kind of operations the deathwatch would normally handle, following the codex would be a massive hinderance to a killteams capabalities, but in a massive engagement, where there are hundreds of marines operating in full units, you NEED the rigidity of the codex to keep your forces organized and following orders.
Do your duty, survive your missions and someday you’ll get that promotion to be just like Titus! Now get out there and spill those terrible Terranid guts for the Emperor😂
"Whether it's a threat all space marine chapters face, or another threat that all space marine chapters face, or... yet another that all space marine chapters face"
This type of doctrine is similar to pre heresy heros like Sigismund who went to other Legions to learn their craft by dueling them and fighting alongside them until he became the Greatest of his era. Titus is living in a similar embodiment by his own philosophy aside from the codex and what he learned in the deathwatch.
Out of a thousand men, there may not be a single one able to become a space marine. Out of a thousand space marines, there may not be a single one able to join death watch.
I´m conflicted about this usual depiction of the Codex as a rigid set of laws. RG invented it as a living algorithm, whith effectiveness as it´s goal and first principle. It was not supposed to be dictated commandments, but adaptive guidelines for every kind of situation, to ensure victory. "The codex supported" always what was best for a given situation. And if not, the codex was changed to get the best possible outcome. At least that was in 30K, maybe over 10millenia they completely forgot and misremembered what it was supposed to be.
Ty for the comment. You raise some interesting points. I feel like the Codex almost became a religious text for many space marines, and you could never deviate from it. This was of course not Roboute Guilliman intent, and I always valued individual thinking if the foundation was solid.
"The Codex is more like a Guideline, rather than the actual Rules." - Roboute Guilliman to his kids probably
Factual, he gave them the Codex as guidelines on what to do and how, but he also expected them to adapt as situations demanded and find effective solutions.
Thus why he was so adamant that his Ultramarines practiced and used the theoreticals and practicals, that allow for a quick assessment of a situation and offer a possible solution that deals with the problem.
Leandros: NOOOOOOOO!!!
Yes Inquisitor, this man right here
Isnt that quote from Barbossa?
Yep
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It’s super cool how this explains how Brother Titus’ actions don’t clash well with the other Ultramarines, because he is used to being in the Deathwatch, he is used to thinking outside the box. And for codex-compliant chapters, it looks like insubordination.
Ty for the comment. Yes, Titus sometimes thinks outside the box and tries think other ultramarines would not. Even though Roboute guilliman wrote the codex he actually values individual thinking, and deviations from the codex.
Titus' free thinking ways were what got him into the deathwatch. He was suspected for corruption and a constant target for suspicion with the way he carried out his missions. Ironically, this deathwatch punishment did work out the "kinks" in his mind as he defaulted to unthinking compliance with the codex upon his return. Which,
(SPOILERS)
doesn't last too long, leading to his squadmates resenting him to the point of attempting to kill him later in Space Marine 2.
That’s how he acted in Space Marine 1 though, and it’s actually one of the things that got him into the Deathwatch in the first place.
I always thought g-man made the codex as a set of guidelines to be expanded upon and change it when the situation calls it, not as the ironclad unchangeable bible 😅
@@dominikreinhart3457he did. It’s a set of rules and guidelines for the astartes but he even tells Uriel Ventress that the codex was meant to be guidelines and that rules are sometimes meant to be broken.
(I don’t have the exact quote)
I just realised that the codex Astartes doesn't support spending 90% of your time falling out of thunderhawks but it's one of Titus's favourite activities.
What can one say? The codex Astartes doesn't support this action, but action protagonists are eager to try.
"NO! The Codex astartes names this manouvre: Steel rain."
Don't tell leandros
Nonetheless, it’s so cool that there’s an entire Primaris unit that operates off of that kind of insertion, hiding in debris falling from orbit. They’re called Inceptors.
@@desert0fox i was going to comment this hahahhaha good one brother
Even Bobby G isn't Codex compliant and doesn't recommend strict unthinking compliance.
As Titus explained to Leandros at the end of the first game. The codex is a mere set of rules, guidelines on how to conduct themselves. But it's how they live with those rules that makes a space marine.
Guilliman approves of the Death Watch as they are something he wanted for all Space Marines, a true brotherhood of various chapters.
Plus Guilliman is a pragmatist and he whole heartedly believes in adapting to circumstances and finding effective solutions and the Death Watch are the epitome of this belief.
Based
My guy, I have never heard him called Bobby G, and I lost it. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@OdaTheSamuraithe real Top G
When guilliman came back, he was shocked that most chapters followed the codex so rigidly. The codex was supposed to be a guideline until the emperium got its shit together again.
Which, sadly, it never did.
He was mad asl everyone worships the emperor religiously now too. “Throne!” is still my favorite cuss word regardless though 😂
Abd now he is busy writing Codex Imperialis - basically a rulebook for good governance.
But TBF the Imperium would need to create a separate Inquisition ordo and a few Space Marine chapters to enforce it, lmao
which book is this?
@@markaragnos2446 i dont think it was a single book but over the course of everything since his resurrection he has hated what's become of the chapters. He's the only primarch that truly appreciates constructive criticism so if he came back to learn that the codex astartes was added upon positively over the last 10 thousand years he would have been really happy. Remember that strict codex compliant chapters follow the codex up and more than not to their detriment or extinction.
Titus, The Black Templar, and Space wolf were all at home in a no rules scenario.
Funny since Space Wolves are very common in the Deahwatch.
Also dunno about Black Templars since they have their own rules, much stricter than the Codex.
with their chapter reputation, i am not supprise, but the sight of one with a battle axe relly is something else @@jack-exzolt9858
Space wolves cant read😀 but they can sure hell can kill everything...
@@jack-exzolt9858black templar don't have strict rules, just a few simple ones
@@jack-exzolt9858 BT shits all over the Codex
Dont tell Leandros. He'll probably go tell another corrupted inquisitor.
Deathwatch: Doesnt follow the Codex
Leandros: *Heavy breathing*
Basically “Get the job done, no matter the cost”
as are all astartes... this video is not a good one. Theyre more a private army of the governing bodies of the imperium
*_["The Touch" (by Stan Bush) begins to play as Titus and his team fly down to the planet]_*
Unless you’re Titus
@@trumediamix1 holy shit, we think alike. Till all are one
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Carnifex: "Why throw away your life so recklessly?!"
The Deathwatch is seen as an honour, but many space marines who come back from service are forever shaken by what they have seen. Even worst, if the Deathwatch calls for chapters to send someone, changes are high they will request a former deathwatch, much to his sadness.
In the words of a watch captain himself regarding how hard service is in the Deathwatch :
"Amongst a hundred men, there may be none fit for the Adeptus Astartes. Amongst a hundred Space Marines, there may be one fit for the Deathwatch."
Yeah it's a brutal and harrowing experience, with few Astartes even really surviving that long given the nature of the missions, and most Chapter's only tend to send people they think will survive (i.e. the best they can afford without weakening the Chapter normally a Company Captain wouldn't be on that list for obvious reasons) in the first place, but the odds are still stacked against them.
Astartes in their own Chapter might be sent on pretty horrific missions, but they have their Brother's to support them whilst missions with such odds usually have greater numbers deployed, and usually have some degree of time to come to terms with it.
The Deathwatch are constantly on duty, always thrust into the worst scenarios in small numbers, see so many of their fellow Astartes die or suffer other horrific fates alongside doing things that might conflict with their Chapter's morality (like sacrificing innocents for a Salamander to achieve a greater goal), and they operate in the shadows, something many Astartes seem to despise.
It also gives them an idea of the true threats the Imperium faces, your average Astartes will be informed of the stakes, will face odds that can easily change the fate of entire worlds, and will know the history of conflict with a given foe (because Astartes are supposedly super intelligent despite how dumb they often act), but that's different to seeing the true scale of shit that will NEVER be public knowledge, even to Astartes Chapter's, and they have to constantly face this.
Plus when they get back the Brother's they knew will potentially either be dead or at minimum distant, often promoted above them if they survive, and they can't really relate given their more solitary and isolated experiences over potentially centuries. If anything the only reason they can survive it is because they are Astartes, but it still fucks them up.
I really like how this is explored in the Blood Angels animation and how difficult it would be for them to manage their gene flaws away from their brothers
Not all see it as an honor.
White Scars hate it because they rarely get to use bikes thus see being sent to the Deathwatch as a punishment as they rarely get to experience speed.
Wolves hate it because they lose their pack, however when a Wolf returns to his legion they are welcomed with a feast so he can tell his stories and return to his pack mates. The Returned Wolf has a month to train alongside his former pack mates to reintegrate with them before being sent anywhere minimum, though it is often longer.
Salamanders do not see it as an honor but do see it as a necessity so they will go. All Deathwatch groups know that if they have a Salamander with them, they WILL have to break mission protocal to help civillians at some point. It will happen and nothing will prevent it. Salamanders will sadly go along with making needed sacrifices. However, if it is not /needed/ they will force their squad to help. They all know it and accept it.
Blood Angels have issues hiding their gene flaw. However, they interestingly tend to be more open about it with the Wolves in their group if they have one because the Wolf gene flaw is known and they have tamed it. Blood Angels that have served alongside Space Wolves for long years always seem to have a much stronger resiliance against their own gene flaws. Unfortunately they cannot share the knowledge they gained as it is something they just 'get' after spending time alongside a Wolf for so long. An innate sharing of knowledge that is not taught so much as just watched and integrated slowly over time without conscious effort. Amusingly the returned Blood Angel will usually be a touch more 'savage' while having this innate resistance to the gene flaw. There are a few short stories of these Blood Angels being able to force the black rage to not take hold. They feel the rage rise then remember how their Wolf ally would act when the battle rage would rise in them and follow suit...which shatters the black rage and allows them to maintain control. I wish they would expand ont his lore but thats about all that exists on it.
Dark Angels consider it an honor, but the problem they have is if they learn anything about the Fallen they are honor bound to ignore it for the mission. This legit destroys their morale. With the Lion returned however, the Fallen are being returned into the fold and thus these problems will eventually go away in the chapter.
@@Nempo13 Excellent details there !
The Imperial Fists see it as a very high honour and calling, yet we see in a short story comics of the Deathwatch that the oath calls for an Imperial Fist that did not one but TWO tour of duty in the Watch, and he is called for a third.
His captain praise him that he was a bit jealous of all the glory that was awaiting his battle brother, while the veteran was almost having PTSD on the spot seeing where the Deathwatch was calling for him to be deployed.
The minotaurs are raging assholes when it comes to their watch services, but they soon learn much to their horror that the Deathwatch has ways to make even the minotaurs bend the knees.
Officially it's an honour, many space marines see it as an honour, some chapters see it as a chore, but for all the space marines who see their brother coming back, they are shocked that they recognize the face, but not the man wearing it.
Damn! I didn't know these guys were THE shit! (I'm a complete newbie. My first Warhammer game was Darktide, but man, do I love learning every piece of lore)
Death watch Commander: I don't approve of such actions within my area of operations.
Death Watch Space Marine : Removing the area, Sir.
Truly the perfect place for Titus. Nobody cares if "the codex astartes does not support this behaviour"
"The Codex is more what you call, guidelines instead of rules."
- Captain Hectorus Barabossa
Ty for the comment. Yes, that was also Roboute Guilliman intent. Shame that it almost turned into a religious text.
I need that oldschool helmet for my operations marines it looks SO much better that the primaries helmets
I was so upset when Titus wore his blue armor, I was like "nooooo give me back the other armor!"
yeah the primaris helmet is too tacticool, the classic helmet is way more intimidating and badass.
At the start, Titus had DRIP. Like, Holy Terra, I like the outfit.
Then it dried up and went boringsville blue again. So damn sick of seeing Blueberries color scheme.
Give us a game that's about a different chapter with the same play style, or fix Space Hulk: Deathwing. That one was an awful game. I liked the idea, but I ended up beating it out of spite.
For me, Spacehulk Deathwing crashed every 15 minutes practically on the dot. Did have fun ringing the giant bell though lol.
I never could get into the Dawn of War series. Required too much brain work. Then there's Darktide. I'd like to try it, but alas, basic "Essential" PS+ is now 80 bucks. And I'm thinking I'm done with Playstation after this last price hike.
@@howard5755regarding DeathWing , did you try the Enhanced edition that followed the original launch - if you had purchased the original, enhanced is a free download and basically fixed 90% of all the bugs and crashing that the original launch had
Even Leandros has better drip and i don't like him even more because of that
“did you know the deathwatch? Don’t follow the codex?”
Yeah no shi-
Apothecary Pythol: "War is not about glory. War is about victory"
Terrible movie, great character
@@emielpeper9248 I still love the movie
It was more narration of the squad than battle
But the battles scenes
Was awesome
The lore and side stories to war hammer is deep af. Theres just so much to it. Its so badass!
It's a real shame the Death Watch has been ignored on the table top
In december we get at least digital update!
@@alchkosacThere is no Deathwatch anymore, just members of 'Inquisitorial Agents'
And that's a damn shame
@@venlocity2 december!
@@alchkosac wait they are getting separated again? I thought it was just an IA update, that's amazing!
The only thing the Deathwatch couldn't adapt to was GW's rules writers.
Because they aren't a Chapter..........
@Lamenter-r1g so he didn’t do even a speck of research.
Not everyone knows or cares to do college level research to understand a fictional worlds lore.
You qct live everyone has a full understanding of WH40K and just immediately understands the various interactions therein. Pompous asholes are what you are.
But they are a chapter. The same way the Grey Knights are so different but is still considered the 666th chapter.
@@Gozkiel They are actually a chapter. Made from the same Geneseed.
@Lamenter-r1gthey can go back but can chose not to and instead stay in deathwatch as black shield aka deathwatch marine so they are sort of chapter
No crap since the death watch is not a space marine chapter, it's an inquisitorial creation taking the skills from each chapter for a specific task and to take in those space marines that have lost their chapter for some reason. So the codex Astartis dose not apply.
Ty for the comment. What is your evidence for not calling the Death Watch a chapter?
@@christofferskoog9210 They don't recruit their own aspirants and the marines are still part of their own chapters and still bear their original chapter badge.
@@christofferskoog9210 The fact they don't have the identity of a chapter, and in fact send the Astartes serving there back to their original chapters once their service is done. They don't have their own geneseed, they don't recruit aspirants, only from other Space Marine chapters (which is actually beneficial for said chapters as the returning Brothers will teach the special tactics they learned for fighting Xenos to the rest of their Chapter)
@@christofferskoog9210their evidence is any of the deathwatch lore in all of the readily available 40k media.
@@christofferskoog9210 bro it’s like the absolute surface level lore for Deathwatch. I don’t intend to be rude or mean but it has to be asked, did you do any research before making this video or was it AI generated or what? Like if it was AI generated then, fair enough, that there would be the problem. If it’s the former then you gotta do better.
Blood Angels - Baal Predators, Black Rage/Red Thirst, murdering anyone who investigates and everyone who investigates why the investigators never came back
Space Wolves - Riding Wolves, Frost Weapons, Rune Priests, Lone Wolves going off on their own to die, brothers turning into werewolves
Dark Angels - Watchers in the Dark, inner circle, the entire raven wing formations thing
Iron Hands - What the Emperor gave us is weak, I can do better by changing how I was created
Ravenguard - what the hell is a formation?
Nah thats to slow, we fast as F**K BOY!
Blood Raven - "We need bigger libraries for all these librarians with all the books we stole from everyone else"
Imperial Fists - I f we gotta we'll rip up the codex to do what we have to do reform the legion and call it The Last Wall
Black Templars..... I'm not typing all that out buit seeing as how they are crazy Imperial Fists you get the point
Black Dragons - "Wolverine is awesome... hey I gotta idea"
Yup most adhering checks out........
Bad Dragons: *sees xenos* 👀
The death watch are a black ops space marine chapter who deal with xeno threats also using xeno weapons to also combat the threats. They also work with inquisition ( though not always a steady partnership). Not all deathwatch are black shields, some are serving a tour of duty it is considered an honor and when returned to the chapter they are instantly respected and considered to be an ultimate warrior.
They're not a chapter.
Ty for the comment. Codex: Deathwatch (8th Edition) pg. 6 - The Deathwatch
@@christofferskoog9210copy pasting one paragraph from ONE of the many deathwatch codex doesn't make you right, tourist
Titus must have loved not hearing anyone talk about the codex during his time there.
"Oh, the codex from girlyman." - Black templar
It's criminal they went primaris with Titus when the death watch not only has a much aesthetic than normal marines, but allows for "special forces" operations and tactics, included unique and exotic equipment and would have made a better game
Agreed, but I truly think they wanted to bring the 40k lore to the masses that know little to nothing about it
I always had a liking for the Deathwatch, but the game is Space Marine, not Deathwatch. I feel like the deathwatch would have a more niche game style. Space Marine should be more vanilla
The shareholder's gloryhole that Games Workshop have become were only ever gonna push the garbage Primaris angle because it's part of their business model.
How else are they gonna sell kids' comics and plushies and action figures and completely ignore the roots of their hobby in order to wrangle short-attention span bored rich parent's idiot children if they don't keep a consistent and hollow business model.
You peeps mean "went with Ultramarines" and "garbage Ultramarines angle" right? Cause primaris isnt an Order, they are the new gen of Space Marines that, filled every Space Marine Order by Bobbys return.
And yeah, the Ultramarines are the most easy to understand. Cause they are one of the most Codex fixated cause their daddy wrote it 10 milllenia ago and second they dont have flaws in their geneseed like most of the other Orders. They are your typical "SM/Army Poster Boys".
@@dominicraj9775 I'm really not sure how you've made that big a misinterpretation. I mean they should have stuck with the Mk7 Deathwatch armour, but instead they wanted to showcase all the variants of MkX armour and make a big song and dance about primaris models, which are less aesthetically pleasing, and less grimdark looking. But thanks for mansplaining ultramarines to everyone. I've been in this hobby for 30+ years.
Ah so that's why Chadriel says "Your battle doctrine is unorthodox, Brother."?
Ty for the comment. Yes, Titus was always somebody who could think outside the box and try unconventional things.
The narration is very nice and professional in a simple way...
How to know if a 40k Video is AI voiced: “Rohboot Gilliman”
The Deathwatch is basically Delta Force lol
More like 141 than Delta
More like special forces.
Grey knights are better suited for delta force. Eventho it doesnt really make sense as a comparison
@sylthaya7571 Delta Force takes people from every branch of the Special Forces and Deathwatch is a group of Space Marines from every other Legion so it's more like Delta
“why doesn’t the dedicated special forces branch composed of veterans of every chapter for the sole purpose of killing xenos follow the same organizational structure as normal chapters” was never a question I had.
Ty for the comment. It is one of my most successful shorts, so many people were at least curious about the subject.
@@christofferskoog9210 warhammer fan mad that there is content on the internet about warhammer 😨😨
Glad I stayed to the end, great stuff prof 👏
Its pretty much just ultramarines and their descendant chapters who follow codex astartes. Others just follow parts of it, parts they like.
Ty for the comment. Yes, it's true that many don't follow the Codex. The Space Wolf is an example of a legion that doesn't care about the codex.
Guliman : you still read those book?
It’s always been so interesting to me when a battle brother from like, let’s say the Red Scorpions is given deathwatch duties. How would he fair seeing the chapters HOLY BELIEF AND REVERENCE of the Codex?
Actually if you combine the Deathwatch and Raptor Marines, you'd make a deadly line up. It's like combining Marines with Navy Seals. Rather than the usual Warrior Doctrine of the Astartes.
I use the deathwatch codex as the rules set for my samurai themed space marines. They got the raptors color scheme going on, and not a ton of ornamentation. Love the OD green color for the primaris armor patterns.
The raptor's chapter master is so beastly
So basically the black ops of the space marines
no, inquistion. death watch is run by the inquistion and is used for missions that absolutely has to succeed no matter the cost. hence why kill teams can be made up of any marine chapter. if you want to know more its a tabletop roleplaying game with a game manual.
What gregor said, also chapters can have their own "black ops" as in a special force made of phobos operatives, they dont have to do anything with death watch. You can find "black ops" in the sense in any chapter.
@@TheRainfield heh dark angels are easy, the dudes looking for the fallen.
Need an update where we can change fabric color on bulwark etc
They are litteraly PMC Wagners
the Deathwatch follow what is known as "modern squad tactics"
tbh they're made of various Space Marine chapters and they're train to fight outside the box.
Good lord Titus and his kill team looked unbelievably awesome
“The codex is a guide.. not an order” - Titus
The narrator: unique weapons and tactics.
The video: The usual weapons and tactics.
**Spoilers**
did leandros think sending titus to the deathwatch would make him *more* codex compliant? kinda goofy
I think they might be my favorite now
wait till you research Carcharodons.. :)
Codex Astartes is for your standard operation.
Even Guillimann will throw it out during a “Shit Hits the Fan” type event
Ty for the comment. Yes, one example of Guillimann breaking the codex was when he killed Alpharius/Omegon. The problem was that when he was gone the codex almost became like a religious text, and questioning/deviating from it was almost seen as heretical.
And this is why i have a great fondness for Deathwatch
We need a Deathwatch new game. Cuz that intro gameplay is what got me into this dark grim world. I need that Deathwatch armor Titus had at the beginning.
Man those firstborn look fuckin sick
How do they differ from Primaris.
I'm new to 40k and I see no difference otger than they're Black and have ornaments on their armour.
@@Patrick_EdwardsPeople more often than not dislike primaris helmets, tbh I do too, its just too fun and menacing at the same time the perpetually angry face, otherwise primaris is literally just a risky upgrade or life saving surgery (Titus) inlore, outside of lore through, Everyone and their mothers knew it was just a marketing tactic to sell updated models of previous minis while bolstering the prices even higher
@@Aureonw thx for the answer.
Maybe it's cause I'm new but I prefer the Primaris Models my Brother and I started a few months back and I love his Primaris Marines.
Love my Necrons too.
@Patrick_Edwards the Primaris is cool but the helmets seem to be the biggest visual flaw, and the lore around them coming about isn't the best. That's all
Enjoy your dudes!
The Deathwatch is my favorite chapter of the Adeptus Astartes. As if Space Marines weren't badass enough, "Hey, let's make a MARSOC, shall we?" Oorah!
one of those tactics being allowing Marines from traitor legions to serve.
I'm surprised we don't have a 40k Deathwatch game yet, and if we do I have never heard of it.
We have a DeathWatch RPG. Just not a video game.
@@TheAtomicSpoon you could argue the co op missions are deathwatch squads on space marine 2
Theres been a Deathwatch video game out for years, and its unfortunately not that good.
@@bobyoung8730 You're thinking of DeathWing, which is about the Dark Angels.
@@TheAtomicSpoon I've been playing 40k for 30 years dude and PLAY Deathwatch (even in their current state) in the tabletop, there is a Deathwatch game on PS and Steam I know of for sure, called "Deathwatch" and it sucks it even has an enhanced edition.. much like Deathwing... I know because I own it. Use google and stop trying to correct me.
I mean, yeah it makes sense. How could the deathwatch even have companies? or scouts?
Imagine helldivers but instead of hell divers you play as death watch…that would be so sick
Crazy how titus' punishment for resisting chaos was actually putting him im a chapter where he can shine
It's almost like that's what Space Marines should act like to begin with
Smh I swear that codex only fucked them up more than anything else
Converted my 7th & 8th edition models to Deathwatch after Primaris ruined standard marines
That's 3 ways I've now heard Roboute pronounced.
This should had been on the scene in-game
Im a big star wars fan, so i was confused when you mention deathwatch and war hammer, i thought it was a joke lol
this cutscene is the reason im gonna play 40k now
That armor fit has no reason to go that hard. Goddamn.
Damn boys havent even left the flybird allready have lost some boys BEFORE THE DROP!
Thats wild man!
So... Does this mean Deathwatch is awesome? because they don't follow the Codex? Does it make them more capable soldiers for that reason?
Ty for the comment. You raise some interesting points. The Codex Astartes was written by Roboute Guilliman and was meant as a guide for how Space Marine chapters should operate, ensuring structure and consistency across the Imperium’s forces. The problem was that many began treating the Codex as a religious text, and any deviation from it was almost seen as heresy. As a result, many chapters lost that individual spark and the ability to come up with unorthodox tactics.
It's important to note that Guilliman was considered by many to be the greatest strategist of all the Primarchs, so the Codex was incredibly effective. However, the Deathwatch is not bound by it, which gives them more flexibility. In many cases, this adaptability has allowed them to succeed in missions where strict adherence to the Codex might have been limiting.
Basically the Delta Force of Space Marines.
I can picture the one Ultramarine in the squad “but guuuuys the codex!”
So these are the Black Ops team among the Spec Ops platoon, within the Private Ops Order in Army of the Emperium. Man, Space Marines are so f*cking cool.
Honestly they’re probably some of the most loyal yet unknown space Marines
Would have loved to see the chemistry between the different deathwatch members. Titus was there for a while and i'd imagine formed some kinds of bonds with the other Astartes there
It’s almost like my gene father the Lion had it right from the beginning adaptability and combat flexibility wins over strict inflexible systems
“The codex is a guideline, not a commandment.”
Maybe a day in the Deathwatch could've made Leandros less of a snitch to Titus lol
When I hear ”the Deathwatch are not Codex-compliant”, first question that comes to mind is ”Wait, how many of them are there?”.
When I first watched the clip, I had no idea that Titus was even there.
You know it's bad even different chapters come together to ignore the codex.
The codex is basic training and advanced battlefield tactics, as well a logistical guidelines for properly operating a space marine chapter, troop counts, leadership roles that need filled, structure and regulations.
It is extremely useful, damn near absolutely critical that marines fight to these standards and within these rules when in large scale engagements to keep the chain of command functioning properly.
But, in the case of space marine 1 AND 2, we see 3 ultrmarines basically put into an incredible small kill team, given irregular orders, grabbing whatever equipment in the field they can find, and following whatever path to their objective becomes opennor possible. In both games the situation is extemely desperate, its not until the end of space marine 2 that we truly see a large scale ultrmarines deployment.
All of this is to say that when it comes to the kind of operations the deathwatch would normally handle, following the codex would be a massive hinderance to a killteams capabalities, but in a massive engagement, where there are hundreds of marines operating in full units, you NEED the rigidity of the codex to keep your forces organized and following orders.
Do your duty, survive your missions and someday you’ll get that promotion to be just like Titus! Now get out there and spill those terrible Terranid guts for the Emperor😂
So, Deathwatch is basically the black ops of space marines.
"Whether it's a threat all space marine chapters face, or another threat that all space marine chapters face, or... yet another that all space marine chapters face"
I've just realised but... There is a fckin Power Axe in this cutscene. Give it !
The death watch seems pretty chill
Deathwatch are the living term of "getting the job done" that's why I made an entire Tabletop army of them!
I wish we would stop fighting wars with eachother and start fighting LARGE ALIEN SPACE BUG.
roboot guilliman has to be one of my favorite versions of his name after rowboat girlyman
Codex Astartes? Laughs in Black Templar huehuehuehue
Basically the Special Forces of the Adeptus Astartes
Tell that to GW
Titus was at home without these rules
*shows deathwatch being destroyed by big bats*
We need a deathwatch skin for the sniper class, love the closed mask and red cape
This type of doctrine is similar to pre heresy heros like Sigismund who went to other Legions to learn their craft by dueling them and fighting alongside them until he became the Greatest of his era. Titus is living in a similar embodiment by his own philosophy aside from the codex and what he learned in the deathwatch.
All other chapters “we kill”
Deathwatch “we kill…harder”
I mean, that description sounds like most Chapters tbf. They ALL fight Tyranids, Orks, Eldar, Chaos, etc
Endryd Haar would be proud.
Out of a thousand men, there may not be a single one able to become a space marine.
Out of a thousand space marines, there may not be a single one able to join death watch.
I´m conflicted about this usual depiction of the Codex as a rigid set of laws. RG invented it as a living algorithm, whith effectiveness as it´s goal and first principle. It was not supposed to be dictated commandments, but adaptive guidelines for every kind of situation, to ensure victory.
"The codex supported" always what was best for a given situation. And if not, the codex was changed to get the best possible outcome.
At least that was in 30K, maybe over 10millenia they completely forgot and misremembered what it was supposed to be.
Ty for the comment. You raise some interesting points. I feel like the Codex almost became a religious text for many space marines, and you could never deviate from it. This was of course not Roboute Guilliman intent, and I always valued individual thinking if the foundation was solid.
@@christofferskoog9210 It would be fitting for the 40K setting, that a useful thing slowly becomes religious adulation over time.
Any specialized chapter should not be codex compliant imo and the death watch are definitely specialists.
“Roboot Guiliman”😂
Re-boot-Gilly-man (thank you I have a mate who’s a UM fan I like taking the piss out of Gilly man name to annoy him)
I love how we see the axe melee weapon here but its nowhere to be seen in game, Hoping it shows up soon.