Bare essentials are required by law or else it's parental neglect: that means food, clothing, a place to sleep the fact that she has called eating dinner a "privilege" is just disgusting and I sincerely hope when she's old none of her kids will have anything to do with her because she's a tyrant.
@@kateemma22 Abuse is abuse though, I don't think "It's my religion" is going to cover it. There have been a few parents who I'm pretty sure went to jail because they beat their daughter to death because they read the horrific book "To train up a child" written by a pair of abusive fundamentalist nuts.
@@kateemma22 There’s no religion out there that does that with that idea someone could invent their own religion an make a crazy argue like killing people is apart of their religion
the way she didn’t seem fussed that her own child was put in a situation where he could’ve fallen to his death is so psychotic. she literally pulled a face like ‘whoops, one slip and he was a goner’, like no wonder he wanted to change his ways after that experience, she literally put death as punishment on the table for the poor kid
Would not be surprised if he's putting on a performance of sorts, in order to placate her till he can finally escape. These poor kids, I can't wait for them to all be as far away from her as possible, she has no idea (nor does she care 😒) how terribly she's screwing these kids up
for. real. like sending my kid to a camp like that would give me soooo much anxiety. idk how anyone could willingly do this. there are so many more steps to take before one of these things
"Chad needs to develop some very basic maturity and skills he needs as an adult." Do they not realize that it's their job as parents to teach him that, not send him off into the wilderness to learn it? 🤔
Of you know a parent who is concerned about her youngest child having food during the day. Ruby is a bad parent and honestly the husband does not seem much better he at best was complacent it Ruby's B.S. and worse was active in their child neglect.
My childhood was hell, full of all sorts of abuse so when my kids were born, I swore I was never going to lay a hand on them, which I didn't, and I only raised my voice once to my daughter when she was 16 but it was out of fear, not anger because our jeep began to roll back and she panicked and jumped out, which could have ended so badly. Both of my kids now 28 and 23, are hard working, respectable, decent members of society and I am so incredibly proud of them. They both have empathy for others and are caring and considerate. They've moved away but I talk to them everyday, and they still open up to me about everything. Did they make mistakes growing up, of course they did, everyone makes mistakes but that's how we learn. The worst punishment either of them recieved was when my daughter got drunk at a party when she was underage, I woke her up by banging pans but I taught them by talking to them, not punishing because I did the same things growing up, so I had no right to punish them really. These idiots are raising children who are going to end up on the news because of the abuse they call parenting.
I grew up Mormon (I’m pretty sure that’s what Ruby is, which is why I bring this up) and there were enough parents like her that sent kids my age to wilderness camps that it sadly doesn’t surprise me. If her son had died, she might grieve but I honestly believe she’d say something like “it was God’s will for him to go at this time”.
Mormonism is toxic brainwash and is so far from actual Christian teachings that it’s a wonder it has survived so long. It doesn’t help Brigham married 15 year old Clarissa Decker. Joseph Smith married 14 year old Helen Mar Kimble. Brigham stole a wife and mother from her real family and impregnated her (Zina Diantha Huntington) or that Brigham taught slavery was a divine institution in his Horace Greeley interview. Toxic toxic religion.
She is mormon yes, but everything she teaches/preaches/etc is not supported by the church. Jodi is also mormon, and the church expelled her from being a social worker for marriage counselling. Jodi used to be under LDS services for couples to see about counselling, but after reviews of how she was deliberately breaking families apart, and the horrid "teachings", she was removed permanently.
@@whysnana not my brain immediately thinking Jodi arias 💀 tbh they probably kicked her out of the church too once she got sentenced. Not that she was Mormon very long
Shari spent Christmas with her aunts and uncle. It was so awesome to see her join in the fun and sharing of Christmas gifts. It was also sad! I can imagine that she was thinking of her siblings.
I used to watch 8 passengers around the time this all happened and I remember watching the videos after Chad got back and he just seemed so broken… almost like this camp took away all of the fun loving and happy energy he once had and demanded he fit into this box of what they think a teenager “almost and adult” should be. It took his joy of life away. It’s a horrible horrible thing and I will never understand why Ruby thinks it’s ok
I remember them going to visit him and thinking tf this is inhumane. Remember that video she proudly showed of her son dehydrated and starved in the cold. I meannnn. And then tsking his bed and him just thinking that was okay
I watched 8 passengers in the past as well, and was surprised I didn't see Chad, then they posted that video and I was like 'that's a bit much for a prank, ain't it?' and stopped watching.
as a person that was sent to wilderness therapy, i’m glad that those programs are being talked about bc they’re so fucked up but it sucks to relive all of it again and again and again.
I’m so sorry! I had no idea they were actually real!! I’m in the uk so maybe just ignorant to US life but…I’m imaging it like Holes (book and film) and I thought it was over exaggerated…now I’m doubting it! Absolutely horrible
Oh Piper, I'm so terribly sorry you went through that trauma. As the Momma of a 12 year old amazing human I just want to cry and wrap my arms around you. I can't imagine even yelling at him, let alone sending him away to be scared with strangers! My heart breaks for you. I hope you are able to find healing and peace and that from now on you will be surrounded by people who make you feel safe and loved every day. No matter what anyone said to you, then or now, you did NOTHING to deserve that. ♥
When Chad had a phone, he had an Instagram account. Lots of girls fancied him and subscribed. He would interact with them daily. Ruby and Kevin were shocked because the girls were not Mormon, a sin in their minds. They removed his phone. The Mormon church demanded that all young men go on mission. Chad would have to go on a 2 year Mormon mission when he left school. When he returned, he would be required to find a nice Mormon girl, marry her, and start a family. Anything other than that was unacceptable. They sent them to the camp to change his behaviour.
Maybe he'll get sent to Belize, where I live. Those people ride their bikes around, annoying the crap out of people. Most annoyingly they call themselves "elders" at all of 18 years old. It would be preferable if the young man escapes his parents' influence enough to make his own decision about going on mission or not.
I still feel like Ruby is naturally a control freak in a very rigid religion and this whole insane connexions thing is just another control technique. I dont know if thats her needing to control things around her to feel comfortable because she cant handle the unknown, or if she can't cope with not having a rigid structure for herself to follow. Either way Jodi is a manipulative psycho that has used her influence on Ruby (whom I genuinely believe - while not innocent - is a victim in need of help and support) to achieve her own ego je*k off agenda. I hope Ruby can get the hell away from Jodi, rebuild her family connections, and get the obvious help she needs to cope with life. If you watch any of the old 8 passengers videos it's so apparent that she has severe anxiety and can't cope with the unknown or things out of her control.
She had a chance of being a real parent and talking to her teenage son, even if in front of the other kids, to discipline and tell him that what he did was wrong (I still think it was just a prank but okay😭). Instead, she decided to give the parenting to strangers and made her kid traumatized. This is what shocks me about this situation every single time.
Of course--at that age, she can't make them do what she wants with the same amount of leverage that she could when they were minors. She'll still WANT to control them, though. Also if she kicks them out, they can't have the power of walking away, in her mind.
These parents say this but cripple their children emotionally so they can’t leave. I guarantee no child is emotionally or financially stable enough to leave at 18.
Did anyone else see in Bonnie’s (Ruby’s sister) Christmas Vlog that Shari was there? I thought that was awesome. It makes me happy that she’s staying connected to her family even though her mother has gone crazy and taken herself and the younger children away from them. I hope as the other children get older and can make their own choices they will choose to re-connect with their cousins/aunts/uncles as Shari has.
I remember a video saying the camp Chad was sent to wasn’t even for kids, it was for like recovering drug addicts. Honestly these parents are so crazy.
It worked out so well that Chad nor her husband even speak to her anymore! So I guess in one aspect she's right. It did change him... He learned his worth and learned that he doesn't need his mother. I guess she forgot to add that part in her talk.
If this camp was a good camp with the supplies needed and I wasn’t being forced there, I would probably go for a week because I love the wilderness. However, the way this camp is set up and the way Ruby talked about this is unacceptable. This is child abuse! Someone seriously needs to call social services
I’m 25 next month and I have 2 Thanksgivings, 2 Hanukkahs and 2 Christmases due to my parents’ divorce. While I love my family, I get sensory overload very easily and shut down and dissociate. The food was amazing, so I’m happy about that and I’m grateful for the gifts that I get. I only had 2 panic attacks during the 2 separate Hanukkah and Christmas celebrations, so that was better than usual. I’m very lucky because when I start to shut down, my parents and other family members thankfully understand and give me space and let me go wind down in another room for as long as I need. It’s not anything that they’ve done, I just get overly stimulated and need to ground myself. The Holidays are mentally difficult for a lot of people. I feel so bad for these children, though. They don’t deserve any of this.
There was an 8 passenger video about Chad's camp experience. And the pictures she just shared were not even close to what the camp actually was. He was literally taken out to the middle of nowhere and left there by himself at 16 years old. All he was given was a small backpack that had was food and water for the first couple of days maybe a week if rationed properly. He also had no shelter and only the clothes on his back. He was expected to find his own food and shelter and the only contact with people he had was one of the workers would come out every few weeks to make sure he wasn't dead. This isn't therapy it's trauma 😔
Right? The video where Ruby was telling the whole internet that she didn't want to go back to her youngest daughter's school to give her a lunch because she forgot, the reason being "because she (her daughter) is irresponsible" and should've packed her own lunch. Her daughter (at the time) was 6. I really hoped the teacher talked to the principal about this or at least gave her something to eat that day. It's heart breaking, the poor youngest daughter has had a camera in front of her face since she came out of the womb.
His mom was mad bc he got a phone, and I might be incorrect but I believe he either had his own IG account or ruby was posting photos of him. Anyway a lot of teen girls took a liking to chad since he is a very handsome young teenager. Ruby didn’t like that he was interacting with girls (he used to date Kesley Leroy briefly but they were allowed to say they were dating when they clearly were…. Maybe that had something to do with it too?) regardless it makes nooo sense. It’s coming up on chads 18th birthday and I cannot f*in WAIT for him to expose EVERYTHING. Tbh I NEVER in a million years would think Shari would turn on her mom, I always viewed her as a “mini Ruby” but I’m so fucking proud of her. I’m proud she took a stand, stood up for what’s TRUE and correct and told her mom to basically f off hahaha. I’m so happy she hangs out w Bonnie Ellie and Julie and has 3 woman who love her and help her out!!!!
I always said Shari is the first one out, she is to smart for all that crap. She always seemed to be acting and putting up a show in my opinion. I think you will be surprised by her even more in the future. Right now she needs her family to much.
It’s crazy scary how those camps don’t run background checks on their employees. I live in CA and a lot of schools will run background checks for parents to even volunteer at their school. You always have to have a background check done when you work with kids to any degree here.
i know markie has made a lot of videos about this family, but i'm glad that he continues to do so. 8 passengers is trying so hard to get away with and continue with the abuse that they put their kids through - it's horrendous hearing that woman recount the things she does to her kids while she's laughing!! channels like markie help us keep a record of the bullshit family channels put their kids through. i can only hope that there's a day that all of the 8 passengers kids can be as far away from their parents as possible.
Her methods clearly arent working out well for her considering Shari has gone no-contact with both parents. She even spent the holidays this year with Ruby's sisters' families instead.
Wow the way she describes that camp is giving me I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here vibes (sans the trials), except those are adults who know what they've signed up for and even then end up in tears while probably being treated better and over a much shorter period of time
It hurts my heart when grown adults call their children selfish.. I love my mom to death but she called me that so much growing up.. it always hurt me so deep because I never ever intended to act selfish I didn’t even understand what it meant to be selfish.. I was just being a kid learning how life works
As a Christian myself, I hate how so many of these twisted family channels are like oh yeah we love God and are low key abu$ive smh. We aren’t all like this.
And don’t forget about the fact at the end of his trip ruby and the dad went and stayed the night with chad and they made him do everything for him and they barely made it through it without quitting. If you can’t do it than there is no way your CHILD can do that.
Did you see Ruby's face light up when Jody was telling her daughter she's selfish, on her child's BIRTHDAY!? This is a straight up cult. They use their own "buzz-words" over and over again "distortion" "being in truth".....I mean WTF? I feel so bad for their children that are still young enough to be truly scarred from this sort of horseshit. Shari, her eldest kid, popped up in her Ruby's own family holiday party and Shari looked so light and happy to be there. I know that none of Ruby's sisters or her brother speak to her anymore and Ruby doesn't attempt to socialize with her family anymore. These two are worse than a Wilderness Therapy program because they are hiding behind "Smiles of loving mothers" while they take pride in being cruel.
The irony of "truth" in this cultist environment where "truth" is more than likely obfuscated by a tonne of unhinged ideologies, or just straight up doesn't exist at all.
Insurance companies don’t cover wilderness therapy because it’s not medical therapy. There’s no medical providers working on staff 24/7. They have to provide actual medical treatment in order to be covered. I’m not even getting into the dangerous conditions of these places. I work for a smaller not for profit medical insurance company in Washington State and every contract we have explicitly states that Wilderness Therapy is not covered and are considered plan exclusions.
Theres only really been 1 time when i supported a parent taking away christmas. This mom had 2 sons, 1 14 and 1 10. Every year she spent THOUSANDS (yes, plural) of dollars PER SON on christmas. Well when her eldest was 14, that year he decided thay he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it cuz at the time he was diagnosed with aspergers. What could he have done to warrant loosing any gifts from anyone kn christmas you might ask. Well... -routinely stole his parents wallets -got in a physical fight with his little brother to the extent that the younger almost needed stitches -pulled a knife on a classmate because they didnt want to give him their phone -would push girls over to have a chance to look up their skirts or grabed girls chests -shop lifted at every store in a 1mile radius of their house -confiscating stuff from him didnt work cuz hed just break into where it was hidden a.d take it back as well as anything of his parents -grounding didnt work cuz he wouldnjust breaknout of the house and do what he wanted No one would press charges on him cuz he was "special needs" and even thiugh his mom said he knew better, everyone else assumed he couldnt help it. Only charges hed get were if he stole from somewhere over $100 worth of stuff or if his parents pressed charges for theft. The only time he seemed to grasp that there were consiquences fkr his actions was when she had enough, loaded up all of his gifts, took him to a childrens shelter to donate them, then kn the ride home told him that everythingnhe just donated was what he was gonna get for xmas and his gift this year was the the gift of giving to those in need.
I remember seeing clips of how Chad was before and after the camp and it was so fucking sad. It was like all his personality and light was stamped down. These parents just wanted control it was disgusting
They are absolutely gleeful when they tell stories about their hateful, controlling behaviour. Ruby isn't going to know what to do when she can no longer totally control her kids and have them under her thumb. Her adult children will hate her and abandon her.
Chad is close to 18 at this point right? I hope he gets out safely soon! I saw Shari happily celebrating Christmas with their aunt's and cousins and I just hope he can do such things again too
That lovely teng was Ruby's when they did the parent weekend when they picked Chad up. If memory serves me correctly Kevin slept outside like Chad did but not Princess Ruby.
Yes, make your child responsible for your feelings as a licensed therapist. I would love to find these women in a home during their old old age lonely and confused like they deserve.
Maybe it's because I'm old school and not American (I'm Puertorrican), it seems to me that if the kids are acting up, before taking them to a camp, maybe they should go to an actual licensed mental health specialist to figure out where the parents went wrong. This feels like the kind of crap they saw on Dr Phil and decided it was a great idea. By the way, punishment for lying should be a week or two, not seven months.
"On a good day Chad would get rice and beans." Wtf lady did you send your kid to Auschwitz? I'm not even gonna touch all the things wrong with that sentence.
Everything he learned at that camp i learned in a wilderness class. I didnt have to suffer to learn these life skills (also knowing these skills has nothing to do with someones level of maturity). Ruby is just a shitty parent and the THOUGHT of having to put in real work to raise her kids makes her sick. Thats why she doesnt put the work in and just sends them away. Lazy parenting
one thing about ruby kid Shari is interacting with her extended family; it is good to see her with her younger cousins. I have seen her in the drew crews videos 2 times at least in the past month
My oldest brother was sent to one of those camps, but in his case he was actually committing crimes (he committed breaking and entering at 12 and it continues and got worse from there) I really hope the one he went to wasnt like those, but I really don't know.
I'm sorry but ruby really does seem like a psychopath. she is littleraly constantly putting her kids in turmoil and just LAUGHING at the possible chance that they may get hurt or even DIE.
Not only did she traumatize Chad by sending him away but also by humiliating and ruining the siblings' bond, and you can tell even in the vlogs he was distant from all but Shari after coming back (which foreshadowed now tbh!). Also if this continues, once Russel grows up and sees all this he will be super traumatized and can possibly start victim blaming and shaming because of HER decisions!
They aren’t saying what he did because he didn’t do anything. That’s what they mean when they talk about it being a “collection of things over the years” they had already made up their mind that he’s a “troubled” child so when they heard about a special camp for “troubled” teens they sent him. Guarantee there was no actual inciting incident that got him sent there.
Chad told her he appreciated the experience only because he had no other choice. I remember one of the other kids wanted to stop playing the piano and Ruby as an answer decided they would practice 4 times a week instead of 2...after that the kid didnt complain anymore and she was naive enough to think her “solution” worked saying something like "see, you didn't want to play anymore and now you love it!” Imagine what would have happened if he ever said that he hated the Anastazi experience they would have send him back or to a much worse camp.
As a parent of teens, I cannot understand this behavior. I just can’t. I want my children to be healthy, happy, grounded, and to become the people they choose to be. I have done my best to give them what they need to find their way in life, but their path is just that…theirs. Not mine. I don’t control every single breath of air they take, I don’t control their friends, their passions, their joy. These poor kids are living as robots completely controlled by others, and it’s just so sad. They’ll either rebel when they reach adulthood and break contact with their parents and their cult, or they’ll give in and become just like their parents, continuing the cycle of ignorance and abuse.
I think Shari spent Christmas with her aunties and uncles. She was at Bonnie Christmas party and she was having a lot of fun. Bonnie got her a gold watch for Christmas the same one Bonnie gave to Julie Ellie and beau wife.
Years ago I spent way too much time on a RUclips mom gossip site (embarrassing, I know😂) and there were so many other things discussed about Ruby on there that were clear red flags very early on. Now all the evidence of some of this is scrubbed from the Internet at this point, but we were a very sluethy gossip forum and while there was always lots of speculation, this stuff was confirmed all with evidence from the vlogs and their old blog entries. Here’s some tidbits I can’t remember. 1. Russel broke his FEMUR when he was a baby. Ruby waited ONE WEEK before taking him in to the ER to get checked out. She claims he “rolled off the couch”. The femur is the strongest bone in the body (the hardest to break) AND this occurred at an age when Russell’s bones would still be soft and slightly flexible (harder to break). It would take a tremendous amount of force from rolling off the couch to break an infant’s femur. Major red flag. -does this remind anyone of a story with Shari’s stomach as a baby?? -Russell didn’t walk until he was over two and had some “other delays”. Little sketchy if you ask me. 2. Ruby once referenced a difficult time in her life around after the 4 baby (and a number of miscarriages). During this time, she didnt change Julie’s clothes for days at a time and left her “filthy”. She referenced a lot of neglect that she seemed to regret. Her mental health sounded very poor at the time. She didn’t outright say it, but it was highly speculated (based on some references and avoidance certain topics when she was describing this time) that she was giving hints to having dealt with a pill addiction during this time. -she once gave Julie a “karen cut” To add some volume to the back of her head because (as she explained) it was flat from when she was a baby. I can’t remember exactly why now, but she referenced something that made us believe she knew about the flat head issue when she was a baby and felt she was the cause of it and regretted not doing the helmeting to fix it. Anyways, this are just a few of the CRAZY things from there. The site crashed but I’m sure it’s archived somewhere. I’d love to see someone do a deep dive into this. This family had red flags from the beginning. I didn’t have Ruby joining a cult on my future predictions bingo card, but I’m not surprised at all by these turn of events.
I also find it interesting that she will not allow her children to go to sleep overs becuase she doesn’t know the people who would have access to her child in an unconscious state. Which fine, whatever. But to send your young boy off with a bunch of strangers for MONTHS with out a way to contact you? Terrifying and the biggest failure as a mother AND father whose job is to protect their child. Disgusting.
She met Jodi. Jodi is a master at manipulation and brainwashing. Even the most sane of people can fall into traps like Jodi's and fall prey to the brainwash.
Ruby's family just had a Christmas party amd to no surprise she wasn't there which also means her kids aren't seeing their cousins which is heart breaking. How do you explain you aren't seeing those family member coz of this to children.
I have a mother similar to Ruby. She deprived me of food, presents, affection, and the validation that ANY part of my existence mattered. I found myself lying to her just to get her to back off (like Chad saying he never wanted to go back to his 'old ways') and then once I was out of her house, the lying continued to avoid being chastised. I found myself lying about my politics so that I wouldn't be called names. I cut her off completely in my early/mid 20's - and now as someone in my late 30's, I'm confident telling you I do not miss having her in my life. As for my father? He and my mother have always been married - always lived together. While he wasn't AS bad as my mother, he stood idly by and let her treat me like that. I also cut him off, and honestly, there's nothing about it I miss. You don't have to be loyal to your parents. You owe them nothing.
These 2 wouldn’t know Love if it smacked them in the face. Loving your child is making your child feel safe, cherished, secure, wanted and content. Wanting your kids to starve, feel alone, feel unsafe, feel sadness and anxiety isn’t love. It’s emotional abuse, it’s mental abuse, it’s just plain freaking abuse. The fact that CPS in America think this is all acceptable behaviour tells you everything you need to know. I feel really sad for all her kids because they’re going to grow up very emotionally and mentally stunted. They’ll all grow up for be Narcissists. Trauma breeds trauma. So whoever comes in contact with these kids when they’re older, if they don’t seek the help they need, it’s not going to end well, for anyone.
Ruby - my kids were selfish so they didn’t get Christmas presents Also Ruby - I’m not bringing my young daughter lunch after she forgot hers today (even tho I’m completely capable of doing so) because she knows that she has to make it every morning and it’s her fault for not doing it
I'm sad for the youngest kids and all the years they still have ahead until they can escape Ruby's home. Loving your children is giving them what they need, and constant fear of being punished it's certainly not it.
A dramatic reenactment of what probably happened at Jodi's kid's birthday: Jodi's kid: Mom can I have this specific piece of my birthday cake because it has a flower/is a corner piece? Jodi: what a spoilt, selfish child. Who raised you to think you could behave this way at your own birthday party. No cake for you!
Sadly it is a real possibility in that home. Makes me so grateful for my parents who f' ing catered to me and my sister on our birthdays! we could've had every flower on our cake if we so desired.
i have a strong feelings that her kids is going to search for love and effection from who knows someoneelse in their live that they didnt get from their parents, and those people prob arent good human beings
Bare essentials are required by law or else it's parental neglect: that means food, clothing, a place to sleep the fact that she has called eating dinner a "privilege" is just disgusting and I sincerely hope when she's old none of her kids will have anything to do with her because she's a tyrant.
Once you say ‘it’s my religion’ then basic respect for life and support for children goes out the window and authorities abandon the kids.
@@kateemma22 Abuse is abuse though, I don't think "It's my religion" is going to cover it. There have been a few parents who I'm pretty sure went to jail because they beat their daughter to death because they read the horrific book "To train up a child" written by a pair of abusive fundamentalist nuts.
Her laughing about chad having to eat LEAVES for 8-10 weeks is absolutely bizarre to me
@@ahnessa
She’s an abuser
@@kateemma22 There’s no religion out there that does that with that idea someone could invent their own religion an make a crazy argue like killing people is apart of their religion
the way she didn’t seem fussed that her own child was put in a situation where he could’ve fallen to his death is so psychotic. she literally pulled a face like ‘whoops, one slip and he was a goner’, like no wonder he wanted to change his ways after that experience, she literally put death as punishment on the table for the poor kid
Would not be surprised if he's putting on a performance of sorts, in order to placate her till he can finally escape. These poor kids, I can't wait for them to all be as far away from her as possible, she has no idea (nor does she care 😒) how terribly she's screwing these kids up
for. real. like sending my kid to a camp like that would give me soooo much anxiety. idk how anyone could willingly do this. there are so many more steps to take before one of these things
I'm convinced she hates her son
"Chad needs to develop some very basic maturity and skills he needs as an adult." Do they not realize that it's their job as parents to teach him that, not send him off into the wilderness to learn it? 🤔
you're asking the same woman who said "its not my job to provide my children with a magical childhood" to care too much.
Of you know a parent who is concerned about her youngest child having food during the day. Ruby is a bad parent and honestly the husband does not seem much better he at best was complacent it Ruby's B.S. and worse was active in their child neglect.
He was 14 years old and expected to act like he was 40.
This is what I was shouting at my screen well said
They never developed these skills so how could they
Just to remind everyone Chad is no longer talking with Ruby. That camp taught him to get the hell away from her and her bs
Well that backfired on her
How do you know?
@@ina_herself it's been talked about for months
@@samg873 Oh, i didn't know that. 🙈
Good for him though.
@@ina_herself well it's actually a rumor that Kevin left ruby and took chad
My childhood was hell, full of all sorts of abuse so when my kids were born, I swore I was never going to lay a hand on them, which I didn't, and I only raised my voice once to my daughter when she was 16 but it was out of fear, not anger because our jeep began to roll back and she panicked and jumped out, which could have ended so badly.
Both of my kids now 28 and 23, are hard working, respectable, decent members of society and I am so incredibly proud of them. They both have empathy for others and are caring and considerate. They've moved away but I talk to them everyday, and they still open up to me about everything.
Did they make mistakes growing up, of course they did, everyone makes mistakes but that's how we learn. The worst punishment either of them recieved was when my daughter got drunk at a party when she was underage, I woke her up by banging pans but I taught them by talking to them, not punishing because I did the same things growing up, so I had no right to punish them really.
These idiots are raising children who are going to end up on the news because of the abuse they call parenting.
I grew up Mormon (I’m pretty sure that’s what Ruby is, which is why I bring this up) and there were enough parents like her that sent kids my age to wilderness camps that it sadly doesn’t surprise me. If her son had died, she might grieve but I honestly believe she’d say something like “it was God’s will for him to go at this time”.
Mormonism is toxic brainwash and is so far from actual Christian teachings that it’s a wonder it has survived so long. It doesn’t help Brigham married 15 year old Clarissa Decker. Joseph Smith married 14 year old Helen Mar Kimble. Brigham stole a wife and mother from her real family and impregnated her (Zina Diantha Huntington) or that Brigham taught slavery was a divine institution in his Horace Greeley interview. Toxic toxic religion.
@@wellsaidgoodheadfred9843 right?? I’m so glad I’m out now
God's will for the mother to act like a sociopath I guess.
She is mormon yes, but everything she teaches/preaches/etc is not supported by the church. Jodi is also mormon, and the church expelled her from being a social worker for marriage counselling. Jodi used to be under LDS services for couples to see about counselling, but after reviews of how she was deliberately breaking families apart, and the horrid "teachings", she was removed permanently.
@@whysnana not my brain immediately thinking Jodi arias 💀 tbh they probably kicked her out of the church too once she got sentenced. Not that she was Mormon very long
Ruby smiles when she puts her kids through pain. A true sociopath.
How she can try and defend herself I’ll never know
Shari spent Christmas with her aunts and uncle. It was so awesome to see her join in the fun and sharing of Christmas gifts. It was also sad! I can imagine that she was thinking of her siblings.
Children should be banned on family vlog channel until the child/children is old enough to decide for themselves.
*and know what it actually means and the consequences
Agreed
@@jessicaolson1914 Yes!
Absolutely
Blurred faces at the minimum.
I used to watch 8 passengers around the time this all happened and I remember watching the videos after Chad got back and he just seemed so broken… almost like this camp took away all of the fun loving and happy energy he once had and demanded he fit into this box of what they think a teenager “almost and adult” should be. It took his joy of life away. It’s a horrible horrible thing and I will never understand why Ruby thinks it’s ok
I remember them going to visit him and thinking tf this is inhumane. Remember that video she proudly showed of her son dehydrated and starved in the cold. I meannnn. And then tsking his bed and him just thinking that was okay
I watched 8 passengers in the past as well, and was surprised I didn't see Chad, then they posted that video and I was like 'that's a bit much for a prank, ain't it?' and stopped watching.
Those camps should not be legal. It's legit abuse.
as a person that was sent to wilderness therapy, i’m glad that those programs are being talked about bc they’re so fucked up but it sucks to relive all of it again and again and again.
I'm so sorry 😞
I’m so sorry! I had no idea they were actually real!! I’m in the uk so maybe just ignorant to US life but…I’m imaging it like Holes (book and film) and I thought it was over exaggerated…now I’m doubting it! Absolutely horrible
@@Emilywilson10222same, that movie use to scare me when i was little.
Oh Piper, I'm so terribly sorry you went through that trauma. As the Momma of a 12 year old amazing human I just want to cry and wrap my arms around you. I can't imagine even yelling at him, let alone sending him away to be scared with strangers! My heart breaks for you.
I hope you are able to find healing and peace and that from now on you will be surrounded by people who make you feel safe and loved every day. No matter what anyone said to you, then or now, you did NOTHING to deserve that. ♥
i’m so sorry you experienced that :( i hope you’ve found some sort of healing!
Parents deadass treat their kids like crap and once kids disown them, they're like "what did we do wrong? we raised you so well"
When Chad had a phone, he had an Instagram account. Lots of girls fancied him and subscribed. He would interact with them daily. Ruby and Kevin were shocked because the girls were not Mormon, a sin in their minds. They removed his phone. The Mormon church demanded that all young men go on mission. Chad would have to go on a 2 year Mormon mission when he left school. When he returned, he would be required to find a nice Mormon girl, marry her, and start a family. Anything other than that was unacceptable. They sent them to the camp to change his behaviour.
Maybe he'll get sent to Belize, where I live. Those people ride their bikes around, annoying the crap out of people. Most annoyingly they call themselves "elders" at all of 18 years old. It would be preferable if the young man escapes his parents' influence enough to make his own decision about going on mission or not.
so what im hearing is the took his phone and sent him to a behavioral camp because he’s hot
Chad became waaay more depressed after he came back from the camp
It’s not a demand, it’s a guilt trip to serve a mission. It’s not a requirement but they shame men who don’t.
@@pepethefrog8759 Poor kid realized his parents were willing to put his life at risk to control him. I hope he gets out of the church's grip entirely.
Poor Chad. Guess if he died at that camp, he would have at least died in truth. THAT WOMAN IS CRAZY!
I still feel like Ruby is naturally a control freak in a very rigid religion and this whole insane connexions thing is just another control technique. I dont know if thats her needing to control things around her to feel comfortable because she cant handle the unknown, or if she can't cope with not having a rigid structure for herself to follow. Either way Jodi is a manipulative psycho that has used her influence on Ruby (whom I genuinely believe - while not innocent - is a victim in need of help and support) to achieve her own ego je*k off agenda. I hope Ruby can get the hell away from Jodi, rebuild her family connections, and get the obvious help she needs to cope with life. If you watch any of the old 8 passengers videos it's so apparent that she has severe anxiety and can't cope with the unknown or things out of her control.
I think it has to do with her own Mormon upbringing where she herself was kicked out of home at 18 and forced to find a husband and get married
@@queenofhearts1819 Yeah most people with control issues have underlying trauma. The fact that her faith normalizes this behavior doesn't help.
The whole family has fallen apart entirely since she started working with Jodi
She said herself in one of her vlogs that she used to be a helicopter mom.
She had a chance of being a real parent and talking to her teenage son, even if in front of the other kids, to discipline and tell him that what he did was wrong (I still think it was just a prank but okay😭). Instead, she decided to give the parenting to strangers and made her kid traumatized. This is what shocks me about this situation every single time.
truly evil the way she laughs as she describes this traumatic experience her son went through
Now I have “what is love? Ruby don’t hurt me don’t starve me no more” stuck in my head
😂😂😂
It’s wild how much control Ruby craves, but said repeatedly that their kids had to be out of the house by 18
Of course--at that age, she can't make them do what she wants with the same amount of leverage that she could when they were minors. She'll still WANT to control them, though. Also if she kicks them out, they can't have the power of walking away, in her mind.
But she needs to be sure that they can live without support... Her parents didn't kicked out at 18.....
I just know Chad is going to cut ties once he's 18. 1 more month to go for that poor boy!
These parents say this but cripple their children emotionally so they can’t leave. I guarantee no child is emotionally or financially stable enough to leave at 18.
Did anyone else see in Bonnie’s (Ruby’s sister) Christmas Vlog that Shari was there? I thought that was awesome. It makes me happy that she’s staying connected to her family even though her mother has gone crazy and taken herself and the younger children away from them. I hope as the other children get older and can make their own choices they will choose to re-connect with their cousins/aunts/uncles as Shari has.
I remember a video saying the camp Chad was sent to wasn’t even for kids, it was for like recovering drug addicts. Honestly these parents are so crazy.
Is that why everybody keeps saying chad got sent for getting high
@@KaylahParker06 no clue tbh
Ruby also told the teacher not to give the five year old any food, because then she wouldn't learn the lesson.
It worked out so well that Chad nor her husband even speak to her anymore! So I guess in one aspect she's right. It did change him... He learned his worth and learned that he doesn't need his mother. I guess she forgot to add that part in her talk.
If this camp was a good camp with the supplies needed and I wasn’t being forced there, I would probably go for a week because I love the wilderness. However, the way this camp is set up and the way Ruby talked about this is unacceptable. This is child abuse! Someone seriously needs to call social services
I’m 25 next month and I have 2 Thanksgivings, 2 Hanukkahs and 2 Christmases due to my parents’ divorce. While I love my family, I get sensory overload very easily and shut down and dissociate. The food was amazing, so I’m happy about that and I’m grateful for the gifts that I get. I only had 2 panic attacks during the 2 separate Hanukkah and Christmas celebrations, so that was better than usual. I’m very lucky because when I start to shut down, my parents and other family members thankfully understand and give me space and let me go wind down in another room for as long as I need. It’s not anything that they’ve done, I just get overly stimulated and need to ground myself. The Holidays are mentally difficult for a lot of people. I feel so bad for these children, though. They don’t deserve any of this.
Strange how a wilderness prison camp was the loving option chosen before therapy.
I don't know about anyone else but.....I taught my kids " life skills" all by myself. I didn't have to send them to a desert in Arizona. ✌️❤️
There was an 8 passenger video about Chad's camp experience. And the pictures she just shared were not even close to what the camp actually was. He was literally taken out to the middle of nowhere and left there by himself at 16 years old. All he was given was a small backpack that had was food and water for the first couple of days maybe a week if rationed properly. He also had no shelter and only the clothes on his back. He was expected to find his own food and shelter and the only contact with people he had was one of the workers would come out every few weeks to make sure he wasn't dead. This isn't therapy it's trauma 😔
Surely at this point she herself has documented enough online for there to be a decent case of child neglect/abuse
Right? The video where Ruby was telling the whole internet that she didn't want to go back to her youngest daughter's school to give her a lunch because she forgot, the reason being "because she (her daughter) is irresponsible" and should've packed her own lunch. Her daughter (at the time) was 6. I really hoped the teacher talked to the principal about this or at least gave her something to eat that day. It's heart breaking, the poor youngest daughter has had a camera in front of her face since she came out of the womb.
IKR I know of kids who have (rightfully) been taken from their families for much less.
Well this comment aged brilliantly
His mom was mad bc he got a phone, and I might be incorrect but I believe he either had his own IG account or ruby was posting photos of him. Anyway a lot of teen girls took a liking to chad since he is a very handsome young teenager. Ruby didn’t like that he was interacting with girls (he used to date Kesley Leroy briefly but they were allowed to say they were dating when they clearly were…. Maybe that had something to do with it too?) regardless it makes nooo sense. It’s coming up on chads 18th birthday and I cannot f*in WAIT for him to expose EVERYTHING. Tbh I NEVER in a million years would think Shari would turn on her mom, I always viewed her as a “mini Ruby” but I’m so fucking proud of her. I’m proud she took a stand, stood up for what’s TRUE and correct and told her mom to basically f off hahaha. I’m so happy she hangs out w Bonnie Ellie and Julie and has 3 woman who love her and help her out!!!!
I always said Shari is the first one out, she is to smart for all that crap. She always seemed to be acting and putting up a show in my opinion. I think you will be surprised by her even more in the future. Right now she needs her family to much.
I'm glad i don't have parents like Ruby
I did. I left them and the Mormon church the day I turned 18.
@@moestein6972 As you should. Proud of you.
Same
It’s crazy scary how those camps don’t run background checks on their employees. I live in CA and a lot of schools will run background checks for parents to even volunteer at their school. You always have to have a background check done when you work with kids to any degree here.
Chad turns 18 in a little over a month.. i am SO curious if he will (be able to) speak up
i know markie has made a lot of videos about this family, but i'm glad that he continues to do so. 8 passengers is trying so hard to get away with and continue with the abuse that they put their kids through - it's horrendous hearing that woman recount the things she does to her kids while she's laughing!! channels like markie help us keep a record of the bullshit family channels put their kids through. i can only hope that there's a day that all of the 8 passengers kids can be as far away from their parents as possible.
Her methods clearly arent working out well for her considering Shari has gone no-contact with both parents. She even spent the holidays this year with Ruby's sisters' families instead.
Wow the way she describes that camp is giving me I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here vibes (sans the trials), except those are adults who know what they've signed up for and even then end up in tears while probably being treated better and over a much shorter period of time
Thank you for keeping us updated with the 8passengers drama Markie. We appreciate you. Another great video
It hurts my heart when grown adults call their children selfish.. I love my mom to death but she called me that so much growing up.. it always hurt me so deep because I never ever intended to act selfish I didn’t even understand what it meant to be selfish.. I was just being a kid learning how life works
Her truth is that she’s a sadist.
As a Christian myself, I hate how so many of these twisted family channels are like oh yeah we love God and are low key abu$ive smh. We aren’t all like this.
Clicked the video so fast 😂 . Listening/ watching your video as I do my university psychology work :)
And don’t forget about the fact at the end of his trip ruby and the dad went and stayed the night with chad and they made him do everything for him and they barely made it through it without quitting. If you can’t do it than there is no way your CHILD can do that.
They never ever say what "The Truth" is, I think they don't even know themselves
Every time I see her, her face looks more like the joker each time 😭
😂😂😂
Did you see Ruby's face light up when Jody was telling her daughter she's selfish, on her child's BIRTHDAY!? This is a straight up cult. They use their own "buzz-words" over and over again "distortion" "being in truth".....I mean WTF? I feel so bad for their children that are still young enough to be truly scarred from this sort of horseshit. Shari, her eldest kid, popped up in her Ruby's own family holiday party and Shari looked so light and happy to be there. I know that none of Ruby's sisters or her brother speak to her anymore and Ruby doesn't attempt to socialize with her family anymore. These two are worse than a Wilderness Therapy program because they are hiding behind "Smiles of loving mothers" while they take pride in being cruel.
The irony of "truth" in this cultist environment where "truth" is more than likely obfuscated by a tonne of unhinged ideologies, or just straight up doesn't exist at all.
Insurance companies don’t cover wilderness therapy because it’s not medical therapy. There’s no medical providers working on staff 24/7. They have to provide actual medical treatment in order to be covered. I’m not even getting into the dangerous conditions of these places. I work for a smaller not for profit medical insurance company in Washington State and every contract we have explicitly states that Wilderness Therapy is not covered and are considered plan exclusions.
Theres only really been 1 time when i supported a parent taking away christmas. This mom had 2 sons, 1 14 and 1 10. Every year she spent THOUSANDS (yes, plural) of dollars PER SON on christmas. Well when her eldest was 14, that year he decided thay he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it cuz at the time he was diagnosed with aspergers. What could he have done to warrant loosing any gifts from anyone kn christmas you might ask. Well...
-routinely stole his parents wallets
-got in a physical fight with his little brother to the extent that the younger almost needed stitches
-pulled a knife on a classmate because they didnt want to give him their phone
-would push girls over to have a chance to look up their skirts or grabed girls chests
-shop lifted at every store in a 1mile radius of their house
-confiscating stuff from him didnt work cuz hed just break into where it was hidden a.d take it back as well as anything of his parents
-grounding didnt work cuz he wouldnjust breaknout of the house and do what he wanted
No one would press charges on him cuz he was "special needs" and even thiugh his mom said he knew better, everyone else assumed he couldnt help it. Only charges hed get were if he stole from somewhere over $100 worth of stuff or if his parents pressed charges for theft. The only time he seemed to grasp that there were consiquences fkr his actions was when she had enough, loaded up all of his gifts, took him to a childrens shelter to donate them, then kn the ride home told him that everythingnhe just donated was what he was gonna get for xmas and his gift this year was the the gift of giving to those in need.
01:04 “If I really wanted to know what love was, I wouldn’t go to Ruby and Jodi” ☠️ I love your quest on them!
I remember seeing clips of how Chad was before and after the camp and it was so fucking sad. It was like all his personality and light was stamped down. These parents just wanted control it was disgusting
Ruby takes pride in the various punishments she comes up with for her children. She’s nuts.
You forgot to mention he broke is ankle and had to walk on it for weeks in this camp
Btw love the boro top
10:00 I legit thought she said "he could eat spoilage while he hiked" and was laughing. Wouldn't put it past her. This woman is the worst.
I been waiting on this!! I been watching his videos all day doing my stuff and I get a new one!
Ita giving, "I dont know why my kids never talk to me"
They are absolutely gleeful when they tell stories about their hateful, controlling behaviour. Ruby isn't going to know what to do when she can no longer totally control her kids and have them under her thumb. Her adult children will hate her and abandon her.
Has anyone called CPS ? 😳 like I feel like her kids are lowkey in danger with these wild acts…
Child protection laws in Utah are almost non-existent which is why these camps are still around
Yes, and they've been to their home.
Thank you for keeping us updated, have a great new year!
Yall remember the video she did of visiting that “camp”. He looked so bad and it was so sad.
Nobody
Ruby: LOL I'm just such a qUiRkY mom I like beat and starve my kids
Jodi: YOU'RE SUCH A GOOD MOTHER
Literally. She loved Jodi because she was the one person who said her behaviour was cool.
If I had to guess he was probably doing some normal teenage boy stuff and the parents overreacted. They are nuts. Kevin too.
Chad is close to 18 at this point right? I hope he gets out safely soon! I saw Shari happily celebrating Christmas with their aunt's and cousins and I just hope he can do such things again too
That lovely teng was Ruby's when they did the parent weekend when they picked Chad up. If memory serves me correctly Kevin slept outside like Chad did but not Princess Ruby.
I’d say call CPS, but as someone with experience with CPS, they probably wouldn’t do anything
like my Mom always use to say.. 💁🏼♀ "who are the cops gonna believe? ME? or some dumb KID?"
🙄😳😞
Yes, make your child responsible for your feelings as a licensed therapist. I would love to find these women in a home during their old old age lonely and confused like they deserve.
Every time they post a duo video, I get a bigger and bigger feeling that Jodi and Ruby are in a relationship.
Meanwhile Zade from April and Davey literally STABBED A KID AT SCHOOL and didn't even get punishment like this.
What? Where did you see that?
Who?
Where did you get this information
WHAT
Heard about it when it happened but there's a post on Reddit right now with info.
Maybe it's because I'm old school and not American (I'm Puertorrican), it seems to me that if the kids are acting up, before taking them to a camp, maybe they should go to an actual licensed mental health specialist to figure out where the parents went wrong. This feels like the kind of crap they saw on Dr Phil and decided it was a great idea. By the way, punishment for lying should be a week or two, not seven months.
"On a good day Chad would get rice and beans." Wtf lady did you send your kid to Auschwitz? I'm not even gonna touch all the things wrong with that sentence.
Everything he learned at that camp i learned in a wilderness class. I didnt have to suffer to learn these life skills (also knowing these skills has nothing to do with someones level of maturity). Ruby is just a shitty parent and the THOUGHT of having to put in real work to raise her kids makes her sick. Thats why she doesnt put the work in and just sends them away. Lazy parenting
one thing about ruby kid Shari is interacting with her extended family; it is good to see her with her younger cousins. I have seen her in the drew crews videos 2 times at least in the past month
I’m honestly surprised that Ruby’s children aren’t in Foster care
My oldest brother was sent to one of those camps, but in his case he was actually committing crimes (he committed breaking and entering at 12 and it continues and got worse from there) I really hope the one he went to wasnt like those, but I really don't know.
A boy in a North Carolina camp died a couple of months ago, and he died the first night.
Someone should send her the Sutton Family info just in case she wondered about worse case scenario after sending your kids to one of those camps.
Omg That Chapter? I was just thinking the same!
@@Raven1303x How appropriate right?
Paris Hilton talks about how bad it was when she was sent to one of those camps.
I'm sorry but ruby really does seem like a psychopath. she is littleraly constantly putting her kids in turmoil and just LAUGHING at the possible chance that they may get hurt or even DIE.
I love the videos on these two, it's such a "wake up call" to stay away from my own culty family when I feel guilty.
love your channel & your vibes! 🌟
Not only did she traumatize Chad by sending him away but also by humiliating and ruining the siblings' bond, and you can tell even in the vlogs he was distant from all but Shari after coming back (which foreshadowed now tbh!). Also if this continues, once Russel grows up and sees all this he will be super traumatized and can possibly start victim blaming and shaming because of HER decisions!
I’ve seen horror stories on TikTok about wilderness camps like this even people dying in the care of these places. It’s crazy
My cousin went thru a very similar program as the boy and was molested repeatedly.... He's been in and out of jail all his life. So sad!
They aren’t saying what he did because he didn’t do anything. That’s what they mean when they talk about it being a “collection of things over the years” they had already made up their mind that he’s a “troubled” child so when they heard about a special camp for “troubled” teens they sent him. Guarantee there was no actual inciting incident that got him sent there.
Chad told her he appreciated the experience only because he had no other choice. I remember one of the other kids wanted to stop playing the piano and Ruby as an answer decided they would practice 4 times a week instead of 2...after that the kid didnt complain anymore and she was naive enough to think her “solution” worked saying something like "see, you didn't want to play anymore and now you love it!” Imagine what would have happened if he ever said that he hated the Anastazi experience they would have send him back or to a much worse camp.
I hope CPS gets involved she doesn’t deserve her kids they deserve to feel safe.😡
As a parent of teens, I cannot understand this behavior. I just can’t. I want my children to be healthy, happy, grounded, and to become the people they choose to be. I have done my best to give them what they need to find their way in life, but their path is just that…theirs. Not mine. I don’t control every single breath of air they take, I don’t control their friends, their passions, their joy. These poor kids are living as robots completely controlled by others, and it’s just so sad. They’ll either rebel when they reach adulthood and break contact with their parents and their cult, or they’ll give in and become just like their parents, continuing the cycle of ignorance and abuse.
Wow god forbid YOUR birthday be about YOU
I think Shari spent Christmas with her aunties and uncles. She was at Bonnie Christmas party and she was having a lot of fun. Bonnie got her a gold watch for Christmas the same one Bonnie gave to Julie Ellie and beau wife.
Years ago I spent way too much time on a RUclips mom gossip site (embarrassing, I know😂) and there were so many other things discussed about Ruby on there that were clear red flags very early on. Now all the evidence of some of this is scrubbed from the Internet at this point, but we were a very sluethy gossip forum and while there was always lots of speculation, this stuff was confirmed all with evidence from the vlogs and their old blog entries.
Here’s some tidbits I can’t remember.
1. Russel broke his FEMUR when he was a baby. Ruby waited ONE WEEK before taking him in to the ER to get checked out. She claims he “rolled off the couch”. The femur is the strongest bone in the body (the hardest to break) AND this occurred at an age when Russell’s bones would still be soft and slightly flexible (harder to break). It would take a tremendous amount of force from rolling off the couch to break an infant’s femur. Major red flag.
-does this remind anyone of a story with Shari’s stomach as a baby??
-Russell didn’t walk until he was over two and had some “other delays”. Little sketchy if you ask me.
2. Ruby once referenced a difficult time in her life around after the 4 baby (and a number of miscarriages). During this time, she didnt change Julie’s clothes for days at a time and left her “filthy”. She referenced a lot of neglect that she seemed to regret. Her mental health sounded very poor at the time. She didn’t outright say it, but it was highly speculated (based on some references and avoidance certain topics when she was describing this time) that she was giving hints to having dealt with a pill addiction during this time.
-she once gave Julie a “karen cut” To add some volume to the back of her head because (as she explained) it was flat from when she was a baby. I can’t remember exactly why now, but she referenced something that made us believe she knew about the flat head issue when she was a baby and felt she was the cause of it and regretted not doing the helmeting to fix it.
Anyways, this are just a few of the CRAZY things from there. The site crashed but I’m sure it’s archived somewhere. I’d love to see someone do a deep dive into this. This family had red flags from the beginning. I didn’t have Ruby joining a cult on my future predictions bingo card, but I’m not surprised at all by these turn of events.
I've seen so many tiktoks of survivors of the troubled teen industry and the horrors of wilderness "therapy"
I'm terrified for Chad.
I also find it interesting that she will not allow her children to go to sleep overs becuase she doesn’t know the people who would have access to her child in an unconscious state. Which fine, whatever. But to send your young boy off with a bunch of strangers for MONTHS with out a way to contact you? Terrifying and the biggest failure as a mother AND father whose job is to protect their child. Disgusting.
I really wonder what went wrong with Ruby. Her siblings seem so normal but she turned out like this.
She met Jodi. Jodi is a master at manipulation and brainwashing. Even the most sane of people can fall into traps like Jodi's and fall prey to the brainwash.
As soon as you said “What is love” I started singing BABY DONT HURT ME NO MORE
Ruby's family just had a Christmas party amd to no surprise she wasn't there which also means her kids aren't seeing their cousins which is heart breaking. How do you explain you aren't seeing those family member coz of this to children.
I have a mother similar to Ruby. She deprived me of food, presents, affection, and the validation that ANY part of my existence mattered.
I found myself lying to her just to get her to back off (like Chad saying he never wanted to go back to his 'old ways') and then once I was out of her house, the lying continued to avoid being chastised. I found myself lying about my politics so that I wouldn't be called names.
I cut her off completely in my early/mid 20's - and now as someone in my late 30's, I'm confident telling you I do not miss having her in my life.
As for my father? He and my mother have always been married - always lived together. While he wasn't AS bad as my mother, he stood idly by and let her treat me like that. I also cut him off, and honestly, there's nothing about it I miss.
You don't have to be loyal to your parents. You owe them nothing.
These 2 wouldn’t know Love if it smacked them in the face. Loving your child is making your child feel safe, cherished, secure, wanted and content. Wanting your kids to starve, feel alone, feel unsafe, feel sadness and anxiety isn’t love. It’s emotional abuse, it’s mental abuse, it’s just plain freaking abuse. The fact that CPS in America think this is all acceptable behaviour tells you everything you need to know. I feel really sad for all her kids because they’re going to grow up very emotionally and mentally stunted. They’ll all grow up for be Narcissists. Trauma breeds trauma. So whoever comes in contact with these kids when they’re older, if they don’t seek the help they need, it’s not going to end well, for anyone.
Ruby - my kids were selfish so they didn’t get Christmas presents
Also Ruby - I’m not bringing my young daughter lunch after she forgot hers today (even tho I’m completely capable of doing so) because she knows that she has to make it every morning and it’s her fault for not doing it
And here I thought love was baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more.
I'm sad for the youngest kids and all the years they still have ahead until they can escape Ruby's home. Loving your children is giving them what they need, and constant fear of being punished it's certainly not it.
A dramatic reenactment of what probably happened at Jodi's kid's birthday:
Jodi's kid: Mom can I have this specific piece of my birthday cake because it has a flower/is a corner piece?
Jodi: what a spoilt, selfish child. Who raised you to think you could behave this way at your own birthday party. No cake for you!
Sadly it is a real possibility in that home. Makes me so grateful for my parents who f' ing catered to me and my sister on our birthdays! we could've had every flower on our cake if we so desired.
@@AmandaPaige71 plus, wanting a flower on your cake is such an innocuous request...
i have a strong feelings that her kids is going to search for love and effection from who knows someoneelse in their live that they didnt get from their parents, and those people prob arent good human beings