Blackpool Pleasure Beach History: Leonard Thompson 1929 - 1975

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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024

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  • @G4RY1159
    @G4RY1159 4 месяца назад +1

    You could never imagine or predict that wee fella sitting on a few of those rides would then one day be sitting creating uploads for a thing called RUclips.
    Very Interesting again fella.
    Thanks.

  • @rebieroo99
    @rebieroo99 4 месяца назад +2

    Love these series really interesting to find out history of these parks we all know and love. You do say the fire wouldnt pass but few years back now but i was in skegness in 2007 when there was the massive fire opposite the fair and they kept it running just having to wipe rides down between cycles

  • @corky215
    @corky215 4 месяца назад +2

    I've been going since the late 70s and found this insightful, good series mate 👍

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Thank you. Glad you enjoyed. You’ll probably enjoy the Geoffrey episodes which should be ready for the weekend 😀

  • @donfranktv
    @donfranktv 4 месяца назад +1

    Loving this mini series - so much history at Blackpool Pleasure Beach - thanks 🙂

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      I've found so much stuff and the next episodes around Geoffrey are jam packed (might be split in two parts!). Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated :)

    • @donfranktv
      @donfranktv 4 месяца назад

      @@coaster_dad Look forward to it

  • @edmundandlucy
    @edmundandlucy Месяц назад

    Here's an interesting story that I learnt from my uncle a few years back. Apparently, my uncle's grandad (my great grandad) worked at the pleasure beach at some point in the 1930s (possibly 1936) when it was more a funfair.
    He worked on a ride called the shamrock, a big steam powered swing. One day a panel came off and a young girl fell through nearly falling on the coals. He risked his life to save her and got crippled and had to have a leg amputated. He was given a medal for this. His name was Ernest brook.
    It's really cool that my family have history with the park that far back.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  Месяц назад +1

      Wow. I didn’t know that one 😳

  • @oranda15
    @oranda15 4 месяца назад

    I loved this. I have been going to the Pleasure Beach since a child in the sixties so this brought back many fond memories. It does emphasise just how great the place once was in comparison to how it is now. Looking forward to the video of GT's reign.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      Thank you. Glad you enjoyed. Geoffrey out tomorrow 😀

  • @stevedinsdale773
    @stevedinsdale773 4 месяца назад

    Another fantastic insight. Brilliant. So many great memories.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Thank you. Glad you enjoyed. Final part tomorrow (if I finish editing it 😂)

  • @greigmalone6221
    @greigmalone6221 4 месяца назад

    It’s great watching bpb history. So many childhood memories. Going back in September but can’t wait for next ep

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      I’m glad you’re enjoying. Next one on Sunday 😀

  • @elizabethbeckz55
    @elizabethbeckz55 3 месяца назад

    Classic series of people passing away from standing up on rides. Even though we’re distant now my dad was a fireman when he was younger and so he always scared me into staying extra 100% safe on these things. He told me one story about dogems that scared me off them for a decade! Better to be safe than sorry. Shame those saftey placements took a while to be put in but atleast we have them now. I hope Blackpool can clean the pleasure beach express up too, also I didn’t know the Grand Prix had gone! I went on that when I was 6 and don’t remember it. I wanted to go on it on my next trip but obviously I can’t anymore :( incredible video, moving onto the next one now !!! (That will be my era of costers lol)

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  3 месяца назад

      Thank you. That’s a shame you missed out on Grand Prix 😔

  • @GrandTheftAidan
    @GrandTheftAidan 3 месяца назад +1

    Not sure if anyone else has said. But yes, the matinee, free show of hot ice is included in the wristband :) think it’s 2:30 show. Also the wonka music in Alice, I got told the original music basically got lost/corrupt so had to put something in, and well that’s what we got 🤣

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  3 месяца назад

      lol I like that story 😂

  • @tubetonylee09
    @tubetonylee09 4 месяца назад

    Loving this series pal, grew up in the park from the late 70's so really looking forward to the next episode 👍 bringing back so many memories with my family 😊 good work buddy 👍

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      Thank you very much. Next part on Sunday 😁

  • @clareriley
    @clareriley 4 месяца назад

    Fantastic episode! Really loved it. Going to watch it again. I was born in 1980. On the log flume at my second birthday. Yes things were different back then lol. Photo of new on the tom sayer as a babe in arms ha ha. Loved wild mouse I'll never forgive them for what they did.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed. And yeah many agree about the wild mouse 😔

  • @robdavies8702
    @robdavies8702 4 месяца назад

    Superb video! I completely forgot about Monster, I remember seeing it but I would have only been 5 when it was replaced. I still mourn the loss of the log flume, that ride *was* Blackpool to me.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Thank you. Yeah the log flume was great!

  • @benbradshaw1054
    @benbradshaw1054 4 месяца назад

    Another incredibly well researched vlog. Really enjoying this series, definitely a winner!

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Thank you. Just finishing editing the next one (it’s a biggie). 😁

  • @liamness5155
    @liamness5155 4 месяца назад

    Loving this series thanks for all the hard work you put it as have learnt so much new info on bpb

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      You’re welcome. Glad you’re enjoying 🙂

  • @paulhughes2558
    @paulhughes2558 4 месяца назад

    Great series Chris, fascinating to see how the park has evolved over the years. I remember my first ride on Grand National early 90’s, couldn’t see the track layout from the station so didn’t know what was coming, with no restraints and seeing another rider with his arm in plaster I thought it must be pretty tame 😂 I literally screamed all the way round it ha ha. It was my first wooden rollercoaster and quickly became my favourite. I don’t like the current lap bars though as they punch you in the rib cage. Hopefully it will get a re-track one day 😊

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      Oh agreed. I was winded on my last visit. Can’t imagine no restraints but the current ones suck.

  • @chewfat7644
    @chewfat7644 4 месяца назад

    Brilliant episode, im really looking forward to the next one (that's when my memories kick in 😉)
    Surely the high point of BPB

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Thank you, yeah the next one is a busy one, and I'm thinking might be two parts. Once I finish editing I'll see how long it is, but looking like it would be over an hour 🙈

    • @chewfat7644
      @chewfat7644 4 месяца назад

      @@coaster_dad really looking forward to it, your presenting style and editing make it very easy viewing

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      @chewfat7644 thank you 🙏

  • @arthurperno292
    @arthurperno292 4 месяца назад

    Another great episode. I hadn't realized quite how dangerous it was to visit the park in those days. No restraints on Grand National is insane. I've also seen the full version of the Big Dipper fire video you showed at the end. You can actually see people still being sent round on the Log Flume while the Big Dipper fire rages right next to them. Crazy!

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      Different times huh. I mean the log flume was probs one place to be safe from a fire but still 😂

  • @EmilyEngland-w5y
    @EmilyEngland-w5y 4 месяца назад

    Been waiting for this series to continue,

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Next episode on Sunday 😁

  • @seany84uk
    @seany84uk 4 месяца назад

    Loving this series! :) hope you can cover some other parks :) Frontierland?

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      Oh I can see this becoming a thing. So yeah I’ll be looking at other parks. Need to finish this one first 😉 also thinking about Drayton, Camelot and Flamingoland. So probably lots to cover

    • @seany84uk
      @seany84uk 4 месяца назад

      @@coaster_dad yes :) i prefer videos on theme parks that are no longer around to keep the memories alive. Frontierland and Camelot were my main visits from the lates 80s up until closure of both parks.

  • @catherineclark4484
    @catherineclark4484 4 месяца назад

    Really enjoy these videos about the history of the park, looking at your models, I'm the same at home got lots of them, whst were bought for me, I heard in 88 someone died on the Nash, and then a little boy fell off space invader because he stood up

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Yeah sadly there have been deaths on both of those. Although I didn’t find one on the Nash in 88, the one I found was earlier. Thankfully safety has improved a lot since then!

  • @nicklowe536
    @nicklowe536 3 месяца назад

    Great video how do you find out so much. Love the pics of you as a child you were more of and adrenaline junkie than me . I was terrified of the octopus ride. The polo tower out lived frontier land being used as a mast for mobile phones . Would love to see a series about it lots of memories of going to morcombe pleasure beach as a child .

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  3 месяца назад +1

      I’m sure I’ll get round to it. I sense this will become a recurring series 😀

  • @stevehadfield5963
    @stevehadfield5963 4 месяца назад

    I remember them hurricane jets and they were many MANY times faster than the footage shown and i can still remember the hydraulics sound as you made it go up or down, super ride.

  • @MinistryOfCommonSense
    @MinistryOfCommonSense 4 месяца назад

    Fab video C Dad, well done 👍

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Thank you. Glad you enjoyed 😁

  • @markrice689
    @markrice689 4 месяца назад

    love the vlog i was lucky to ride the virginur reel that was wild and bumpy miss that ride

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Thank you 😁 And yeah it looks crazy, especially with safety standards (or the lack off) back then!

  • @benspeed2819
    @benspeed2819 4 месяца назад

    Great video as always 😁👍

  • @iitzfizz
    @iitzfizz 4 месяца назад

    Great series, would love more of these!
    Also at 9:04, Grand National 70mph...since when?! 😅

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Ha ha that was my thought exactly. I’m sure I’ll do more parks once this one is finished 😁

  • @Ainsworth_Antics
    @Ainsworth_Antics 4 месяца назад

    This is a great video! Thank you for doing all this research. Dropped you a sub.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      Thank you. Next episode out on Sunday 😁

  • @aspeyal8239
    @aspeyal8239 4 месяца назад +1

    Great video. It's scary how many fires theme parks do have. The grand national isn't the best woodie in the uk, it's the best coaster overall.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      Yeah there was even a small one on derby racer last year or the year before 🙈

  • @noworriesnoproblems6382
    @noworriesnoproblems6382 4 месяца назад +1

    Really informative, great vids. I thought maybe a fun idea for a video. Top 10 from worse to best of all the fried donuts or pleasure beach food from terrible too ok lol. If you could stomach it. An maybe going on the big one after haha. Maybe a bad idea that but it might do well view wise

  • @adebarker2975
    @adebarker2975 4 месяца назад

    Just a quick one..Going back possibly twenty years ago..Where you mention about the Greenhouse below The Grand National. There were old Ghost Train cars just rotting .The ones with the Skull and Crossbones on the front..

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Oh didn't know that, thanks for sharing! 😁

  • @RoyForrester-u8m
    @RoyForrester-u8m 4 месяца назад

    Great 2nd video. Do you have any information on the speed boat ride, it was very similar to the Turnpike but on water and that you had to steer the boat around a canal water course. It was situated behind the Virginia Reel approximately where the Water Chute used to be. It was built in the 1960s but removed in the mid seventies.I remember riding it with my late older brother, obviously he used to do all the steering.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Mmmm I missed that one 🤔 sounds interesting.

    • @danielledewitt1
      @danielledewitt1 4 месяца назад

      Swamp boats I think they called it.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Mmm swamp buggies come in the next episode. Not sure if that’s what you’re thinking of?

    • @danielledewitt1
      @danielledewitt1 4 месяца назад

      @@coaster_dad Only one I could think off mate.

  • @zombiemosher1139
    @zombiemosher1139 4 месяца назад

    I had completely forgotten about Cyclone, not sure i was ever on it but remember seeing it. I find it hard to believe they had those coasters funning with no restraints, i mean what were they thinking. You'd think after the first accident they would all have gotten them.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      That’s what gets me. I kinda understand in the early days when they were not very thrilling. But when rollercoaster had a death and didn’t get restraints until 2006 that blows my mind!

    • @zombiemosher1139
      @zombiemosher1139 4 месяца назад

      @@coaster_dad crazy, also some of those flat rides you must have been taking your life into your own hands. That spinning two ferris wheel thing? Terrifying. 🤣

  • @sammyriley7185
    @sammyriley7185 4 месяца назад

    I remember this place as a kid would to go back one day

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      it's a very different place nowadays, but you'll see that when I get to the next couple of episodes 😀

  • @nataliebutton7344
    @nataliebutton7344 4 месяца назад

    Anothe great video and looking forward to the next instalment… any info on the Alice in wonderland bench? One thing I like is how I’m maintained and the date changing every day, feel like if PBR is a one off treat then a picture on the bench is a must!!!

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Oh absolutely. You have to take a pic each time 😉

    • @nataliebutton7344
      @nataliebutton7344 4 месяца назад

      @@coaster_dad definitely… As a kid I thought it was a magic bench because it always new the date and it changed! ❤️🤣👍🏻🙈

  • @AlanDavisWeddingDJ
    @AlanDavisWeddingDJ Месяц назад +1

    I was injured on the Wild Mouse around 1998 -99 The brakes failed on the car behind us and went straight into the back of us. I was winded at the time and had a bad back from about a year afterwards but the kids in the car behinds has some broken fingers. Bit naive back then as only kids we should have pushed it further as it could have been a lot worse. They gave us a full refund and apologised. Madness!

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  Месяц назад +1

      Wow. How times have changed huh!

    • @AlanDavisWeddingDJ
      @AlanDavisWeddingDJ Месяц назад

      @@coaster_dadloving your videos btw. Was very insightful for our trip to Thorpe park earlier this week. Thank you

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  Месяц назад

      @AlanDavisWeddingDJ you’re welcome mate, glad it was useful 😀

  • @mousecharger
    @mousecharger 4 месяца назад

    Absolutely loved watching and listening to this I remember the water chute the 80s..definitely not healthy n safety but good ride😂😂can't wait forbthe next one c hris

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      Thank you. You don’t have long to wait. It’s out at lunch time today 😀

  • @AWalkontheWildSideBlackpool
    @AWalkontheWildSideBlackpool 4 месяца назад

    Great series. The Virgina Reel was one of those rides that I was too scared to go on. We only knew it as The Reel. I still have nightmares about Noah’s Ark because it had those electric shock devices on some of the hand rails.

  • @prettypinkwitchlaura9213
    @prettypinkwitchlaura9213 Месяц назад

    I’m not sure if this is true but I was told that the melody for “I’ve got a golden ticket” was originally written for Alice In Wonderland, but wasn’t used, and was eventually given the golden ticket lyrics. That’s why it’s used on the ride. As I say this didn’t come from an official source but it’s definitely plausible.

  • @smiley148784
    @smiley148784 4 месяца назад

    I grew up riding Infusion back when it was called Traumatizer I don't understand why everyone hates it so much it's a great little coaster.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      I think it WAS a great little coaster. Sadly most Vekoma SLCs end up ageing badly. It’s rough as hell now. I never used to mind it too much but each year I go on it it gets worse and worse. Needs a retrack or new trains and that’s unlikely.

    • @smiley148784
      @smiley148784 4 месяца назад

      @@coaster_dad That's a shame i hope it gets some love someday.

  • @ClintonBuckle
    @ClintonBuckle 2 месяца назад

    i worked on the grand national, people come from all over the world just to ride it. personally i think its the best ride on the park.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  2 месяца назад

      I think it’s got a ton of potential but the current trains ruin it. It’s so uncomfortable now 😔

  • @RogEdwardsTV
    @RogEdwardsTV 4 месяца назад +1

    Another great episode. Here's a clip I found a while back of the Wild Mouse before the changes made in the 60s: ruclips.net/video/OyXc_OgMhgY/видео.htmlsi=HN4FrMcl_uxcRtA1&t=161. The accepted history is that they added another 3rd level on top of the original, but from looking at this clip I reckon that they didn't go any higher, the lift hill and first couple of bends are the same, they then added the first drop and the turn around at the front and then the track joins a condensed version of the zig zag section after that. I think the original layout was exactly the same as the one at Morecambe (that eventually went to Southport as King Soloman's mines).

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      Nice find. Thanks for sharing 😀

  • @nicklowe536
    @nicklowe536 3 месяца назад

    Grand national is an amazing ride despite being rough. It's pure nostalgia and a great ride. I cannot think of a way you could rmc it within the grade 2 listing. Maybe it's better to alter the trains rather than the track im sure it could be done and still look period

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  3 месяца назад +1

      Yeah I also don’t think RMC is an option. And I agree with the right trains the ride would be so much better. It has such a good layout but the trains really let it down.

  • @OurTrueRealm
    @OurTrueRealm 4 месяца назад

    Hi can i just correct on a couple of mistaken observations 1: The laughing clown was outside at the front of the fun house not inside. 2: The haunted swing was able to free swing on its own you could feel it tipping getting on and off deprnding on the weight of how many people were on each side, but settled down once all were sat.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Ah thanks for the corrections 😃

    • @OurTrueRealm
      @OurTrueRealm 4 месяца назад

      @@coaster_dad Just silly corrections. I did used to work at PB for seven years in my youth 😁😁

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      @@OurTrueRealm no worries. More than happy to be corrected. It’s a park with so much history I’m sure there will be a few mistakes here and there 🙂

    • @OurTrueRealm
      @OurTrueRealm 4 месяца назад

      @@coaster_dad Yes it is steeped in history Chris, I could tell a few interesting stories of my 7 years of working there.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      @OurTrueRealm I can imagine 🙂

  • @tobeycat2007
    @tobeycat2007 4 месяца назад

    Looking for when the big wheels opened did I miss it ?

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      1936 so it’s in this one.

    • @tobeycat2007
      @tobeycat2007 4 месяца назад

      @@coaster_dad Missed early bit, didnt think been there that long learn something new about pleasure beach every day.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      @tobeycat2007 I’ve learned SO MUCH doing this series. It’s a park with so much history!

  • @jasoncampbell293
    @jasoncampbell293 4 месяца назад

    When I was a kid, my mum and dad got stuck on the spin doctor so me and my brother were going on the turtle chase continually until they’d been rescued 😂😂. Also, being a local the myth we were always told was that moustache man wanted the town as a holiday resort for his soldiers

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      The moustache man 😂 love it.

  • @jamie1449
    @jamie1449 2 месяца назад

    I find it funny so many people say Grand National isn’t a good coaster cause it’s rough - I’ve never met a wooden coaster that wasn’t rough. I went on Wicker Man in August and it was running quicker than the last time I went on it - that felt equally as rough as GN and it’s much newer.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  2 месяца назад

      Mmmm I can’t agree with that. Sure all woodies have an amount of roughness, but wickerman is significantly smoother than the Nash. 😔

  • @Elbonio
    @Elbonio 4 месяца назад

    I actually managed to crash one of the Grand Prix cars back when it was petrol driven. There was a metal guide rail that kept the cars on the track, but me being the 10 year old I was decided to see what would happen if I did a hard right at full speed when the track went left. The answer is the car jumps the track and hits a wall, causing quite the traffic jam behind...

  • @kriss_b
    @kriss_b 4 месяца назад

    I used to work on rollercoaster back in 04/05 and yea the trains had no lap bars untill it got the trains from big dipper. I used to send the trains and then tell people to pull the lap bars down and watch them have a little panic till they realised there were non most laughed 1 did complain and I got to have tea and biscuits with the boss

  • @danielledewitt1
    @danielledewitt1 4 месяца назад

    I rode wild mouse, hated it. We thought it had broke my ankle.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      It was a truly bonkers ride!

  • @danielledewitt1
    @danielledewitt1 4 месяца назад

    The haunted swing still operates.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      Well it should. But it was closed a few weeks ago when I was there and I’ve heard it’s been that way for a while. So hopefully it returns 🤞

    • @danielledewitt1
      @danielledewitt1 4 месяца назад

      @@coaster_dad I rode it a few years back.

    • @clareriley
      @clareriley 4 месяца назад

      The swing has been sbno for 2 to 3 seasons.

    • @danielledewitt1
      @danielledewitt1 4 месяца назад

      @@clareriley It will return.

  • @kirkhunter146
    @kirkhunter146 2 месяца назад

    Wasn't "The Monster" retitled "The Octopus" in the 70's, maybe that's just what we called it.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  2 месяца назад

      They did have an octopus ride but it was different

  • @sitcorocket
    @sitcorocket 4 месяца назад

    Amazing how many fires there have been there......terrible luck

  • @colinalty399
    @colinalty399 4 месяца назад

    Lafing man was out side the funhouse and when it stopped lafing the fair closed 30 mins after were lafing man is now it's 20p to make it work

  • @aspeyal8239
    @aspeyal8239 4 месяца назад

    What happened in 2019 that wasn't family friendly? 😅

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +1

      Well that would be telling. You’ll find out next week 😉

    • @aspeyal8239
      @aspeyal8239 4 месяца назад

      @@coaster_dad 🤣

  • @danielledewitt1
    @danielledewitt1 4 месяца назад

    I rode derby racer back in the 90's and remember it racing. I loved it when it raced, now I don't go on it because it's just boring now. It's now derby loser. Just a high speed merry go round with the fun taken out of it. It shall remain derby loser til they get their act together. If they don't want to get it racing again well they can demolish it.

  • @kirstydiamond6987
    @kirstydiamond6987 Месяц назад

    amanda s ruining the park

  • @SpikePBB
    @SpikePBB 4 месяца назад +2

    Ah the Walt Disney Alice in Wonderland old wives tale. Alice in Wonderland is and was in the public domain. There never was any permission granted or needed. Walt did visit the Pleasure Beach though.

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад

      interesting. I know Mickey now is, didn't realise Alice is/was 😀

    • @robertgrady5509
      @robertgrady5509 4 месяца назад

      I went on a backstage tour of the park a few years ago and was told the opposite… ? and Disney did give permission ..l I know he did for the illuminations to use Disney characters there is a letter in the new museum show town

  • @Flippityfloppitybippitybobbity
    @Flippityfloppitybippitybobbity 4 месяца назад

    I have always hated that story of the boy getting decapitated on Space Invader, it was very upsetting. I watched a mini documentary on it and its an awfully sad story. It will probably come up in the next episode. 🥲

    • @coaster_dad
      @coaster_dad  4 месяца назад +3

      I do mention it and it was truly tragic but I don't go into too much detail. At the end of the day that was someone's child and I don't want to stir up too many bad memories 😔