SIGMA | Engine Swap !!

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  • Опубликовано: 30 окт 2024

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  • @libertyracing4603
    @libertyracing4603 2 года назад +15

    Funny story about these cars and cross member bolts. I know an old bloke that worked in the factory. The guy who was responsible for installing these bolt’s called in sick/ changed shifts, And his replacement couldn’t get these bolts in. The unusual thing was that all the bolts where defective, yet they where the same batch of bolts that they had been using for some time. Turned out that the previous guy would bring a 4 pound mini sledgehammer in his lunch box every day, and hammer these bolts in. So there is potential a few thousand of these cars with cross member bolts that where hammered in.

  • @happieyak
    @happieyak 2 года назад +21

    I did the same conversion in the early 90's. Found a tail shaft at the wreckers that fitted. The Mitsy parts guy made a parts list for the car from about 4 different models. (Imported Motor and gearbox).

  • @georgewinters3191
    @georgewinters3191 2 года назад +8

    Great to see the Sigma back on the hoist 😊, I had a new SE 2 litre 5 speed model in 1980, red in colour , nice bone velour interior with reclining back seat. Fitted a Webber carby, triple tone air horns, upgraded the AM Radio to a FM unit with a tape deck and extra speakers in the back. Retro fitted integrated air conditioning , kept that for 10 years , was a good comfortable car. Your Sigma rebuild allows me connect with the past . Cheers , looking forward to the rest of the build.

  • @nathangiles1612
    @nathangiles1612 2 года назад +3

    I love how you throw those parts IN THE BIN !!

  • @talesfromthebottle6314
    @talesfromthebottle6314 2 года назад +17

    This makes me miss the days of simplicity in engine swaps and go to pickapart 15 times for that one bolt or piece you forgot or doesn't fit

  • @wurlyone4685
    @wurlyone4685 2 года назад +13

    No-one does dad jokes like Benny.
    Love this car, loving the period mod route as well. Unfortunately your pain... (Mis-sold bits not fitting) is our gain watching you solve and piece it all together! 😁
    Really do like the way your videos are edited and the music set to them, fits so well and definitely gives your channel it's own style.

  • @joekool5005
    @joekool5005 Год назад

    Gee...you're bringing back memories! I owned heaps of Sigmas back in the day. The last conversion I did was a factory turbo setup, Supra 5 speed, custom made clutch, lowered with customer strut adjusters, power steering and air conditioning, four wheel discs. It drove amazingly. The car was a real sleeper and looked stock.

  • @nathanpicot4880
    @nathanpicot4880 2 года назад +4

    From what I remember about owning a sigma back in the day, that looked to be a later GH/K/N 5 speed box, I believe the model of those were a KM132 which also come in a triton, there was a few different extension housings as there was options for 4wd transfer cases and longer/shorter output shafts not to mention different gear ratios for applications, and if I remember correctly ford also used this box when they utilized the Mitsubishi 4G54 2.6 in the courier for a short time
    Swapping from auto to manual in the later model sigma's was a bit of a nightmare due to the length of the boxes and cross member mounting bolt placement, plus you had to re cut the floor to make them fit, the wiring was easy to get around too

  • @AndyQuinton
    @AndyQuinton 2 года назад +2

    Stoked to see this thing again.

  • @AtreidaeChibiko
    @AtreidaeChibiko 2 года назад +2

    I really do love this episodes of the Sigma. brings back memories of when I leart to drive. Dad had a Sigma and 2 Galants (one auto, one manual)
    My first driving lesson Dad snapped the handbrake cable as he pulled to start my lesson in the factory sector... he must have been terrified!

  • @Pablo668
    @Pablo668 2 года назад

    Enjoying the build on the old Sigma.

  • @38skippers
    @38skippers 2 года назад +1

    Dad bought a GE Chrysler Sigma Galant with a Chain drive 1.6 in it back in late '77. Even had radio delete option.

  • @wasabicars
    @wasabicars 2 года назад +1

    Four doors for more hoses... Ha! That revelation at 5:25 ish is gold. ... Legend. C ya next time

  • @davidt3196
    @davidt3196 2 года назад +2

    We had a box of black golf tee's to block off vacuum lines we didn't know or remember where they went

  • @mistikal1
    @mistikal1 2 года назад +4

    I am sure you've already done so, but there is a heap of info on the Sigma Turbo forums regarding the different manual gearboxes. I had a GH Sigma Turbo, which had the "big japanese" manual gearbox fitted from factory, where as the rest of the GH lineup (and I will assume GE also) ran the shorter gearbox. If you had some issues sourcing a complete clutch kit for it, or specifically the throw out bearing, then you'll either have a GK long box, or GH Turbo box, but my money is on GK long box. If memory serves, the L200 gearbox should fit and the shifter should line up, but I am not sure which would be easier to locate these days. Definitely check out the ST forums if you haven't already, so much info there.

  • @CafeBianco
    @CafeBianco 2 года назад +18

    Being a Starion owner... that flywheel falling on your hand made me wince in pain 😅 the weight of that is no joke.

    • @pup_harris2934
      @pup_harris2934 2 года назад +1

      I was reading your comment, thinking when did that happen 🤣 then boom! Little help 🤣

    • @karloshesscobar
      @karloshesscobar 2 года назад

      Starion flywheel is different design and is a good upgrade for a sigma as its far lighter from factory. Sigma 2.6 flwheel is a big heavy beast

    • @filmntvguy1977
      @filmntvguy1977 2 года назад

      I have an r32 gtr, but I’d sell my first born for a Starion.

  • @julianalderson3938
    @julianalderson3938 2 года назад +1

    Yer look great the older japanese stuff. Ive got a bravo 2.6 love it.

  • @MicKeyMooZiK
    @MicKeyMooZiK 2 года назад +3

    Looks like you have a 2.6 manual block so it has the big box on it. For a GE Sigma the trick is to use the 2.6 auto block and the smaller manual box. If my memory is working right, the early GE only had the Jap box and no 2.6 in early GE. I worked at Sigma City Wreckers but it was over 30 years ago so memory is a bit hazy.

    • @stephenpartridge686
      @stephenpartridge686 2 года назад

      This is what I found when I swapped a 2.0 auto GE to 2.6 5 sp, I had to use a 2.6 auto engine with a 2.0 gearbox and flywheel, it will bolt straight in, no holes to cut and the mounts line up exactly. I did this back in around 1990....

  • @motow3031
    @motow3031 2 года назад +2

    Benny's humour👾👾👾

  • @gary6361
    @gary6361 2 года назад +1

    Best to check the vacuum advance in the dizzy, they are known for failing.
    Also the 2ltr dizzy runs more advance, as the compression ratio was higher. Earlier 2.6’s had really low compression.

    • @BennysCustomWorks
      @BennysCustomWorks  2 года назад

      Yeah I have a few spare, one from an 1850 also. We’ve decked the head to try to lift the comp as much as possible

  • @madmick3794
    @madmick3794 2 года назад +1

    Awesome, coming along nicely

  • @b3nny90
    @b3nny90 2 года назад +15

    Kids now days won't understand how cool a Gilmore drive is.

    • @elitecol69
      @elitecol69 2 года назад +1

      Alternator rear bearings love it

    • @Redline31
      @Redline31 2 года назад +3

      And Boomers still don't know how to spell it.

    • @camdavies5530
      @camdavies5530 Год назад

      Gen x the only generation not attacking all the other generations would say if it's not for a supercharger it's just for wank value.

  • @GarageItYourself
    @GarageItYourself 2 года назад +1

    I like the Barbarella-esque music. Nice to see the Sigma back on the channel.

  • @Devastator0
    @Devastator0 2 года назад +1

    Great video as always Benny! Always love seeing the Sigma and glad to see it moving along. Keep up the good work!

  • @AKADriver
    @AKADriver 2 года назад

    Other than the completely crusted vacuum lines it's amazing how clean that engine was.

  • @Keirrin79
    @Keirrin79 2 года назад +1

    I have a 2.6 and 5 speed setting at home in vic, it came out of a scorpion. It was in my L200 ute. It's a astron 2. If you get stuck with anything and want it, get onto Ben Pag, he has my number

    • @BennysCustomWorks
      @BennysCustomWorks  2 года назад +2

      Thanks mate, my 2.6 has been freshened already but if I get stuck I’ll sing out

  • @TNSAOD
    @TNSAOD 2 года назад +2

    Awesome vid, loved the music choice too.

  • @glensgraphix
    @glensgraphix 2 года назад +3

    Wish I had a dollar for every spare part i handed over the counter for these cars/engines. Z56B's, rocker cover gaskets, VRS's, fuel pumps, water pumps and the, up to 4 different, types of rear brake shoes. I'm sure the boss made good bucks from selling all that stuff for sure.

  • @travismorrison5109
    @travismorrison5109 2 года назад +1

    Been waiting for the sig to make a return.
    My mum had a brown rusty sigma and I had manual and auto starion and scorpions would be so good to get another one again.
    Keep up the good work benny this things going to be sick

  • @robfaith6029
    @robfaith6029 2 года назад +1

    the conversion is great what aftermarket performance parts would be using. Be nice if you could give all the added parts and gearbox a good clean. Looking forward to the next installment

  • @AlienLivesMatter
    @AlienLivesMatter 2 года назад +2

    I remember sigmas being dominant in banger racing. Blowing blue smoke like all mitsu's but still charging hard round the mud track obviously

  • @nobodycares85
    @nobodycares85 2 года назад +2

    Having worked on and modified sigmas, I can tell you the gearboxes are very different. We had to modify the entire tunnel on my Brother's Sigma when we changed the gearbox to 5 speed from auto

  • @StratoJohn
    @StratoJohn 2 года назад

    Super sweet swap going down be Benny 🤙🏻

  • @billybarrow426
    @billybarrow426 2 года назад

    Benny you picked the perfect wheels for that car! 🤙😁👌

  • @jay_pozz4222
    @jay_pozz4222 2 года назад +2

    my uncle did the same conversation on a wagon same issue next the issue you will have is the tailsharft won't fit and the yoke will be different good luck boy's 👍

  • @jpkalishek4586
    @jpkalishek4586 2 года назад +1

    Mitsu did like a BIG flywheel on those 2.6s, didn't they? And isn't the bolt pattern slightly off so it only goes on one way?
    In the '73 (pre-balance shaft, Dizzy driven by the crank) Colt I converted to 5 speed, iirc, the mount and the opening were slightly different, but the Auto was a Dodge "Baby 904" and the Trans I used was from an 80's Challenger/Sapporo 2.6 , so maybe not a surprise.
    (I had two other Colts, both '76 with 1.6 later swapped to 2.6, but they were manuals from the get-go, and I can't recall what I needed for the swaps. They were done in the mid and late '80s, the '73 in the early 90's)

  • @nismofreak33
    @nismofreak33 2 года назад +2

    Glad my scorpion is factory manual haha

  • @oikkuoek
    @oikkuoek 2 года назад +3

    Did you measure the clearance between the oil pick up and the bottom of the sump? It has a dent and the cork is gone, so there is a strong possibility that the clearance is not what it used to be. For the gearbox fitment, could the motor mounts be flipped to move the engine forward?

  • @pjmack75
    @pjmack75 2 года назад +1

    My brother did the same auto to manual conversion and there was issues like this. Clearance issues as well. Apparently there was a few different floors and at least 3 different gearboxes depending on the year.

  • @lordmmx1303
    @lordmmx1303 2 года назад

    Nice one. I agree about vacuum hoses.... and that car is kinda rusty... but on the other hand, rust is lighter than carbon.

  • @nickgrech9634
    @nickgrech9634 2 года назад

    Awesome video Benny! Thank you

  • @4geedupandstuff132
    @4geedupandstuff132 2 года назад +2

    Sigma 5 speeds are actually longer than l200 boxes believe it or not! Love this thing can’t wait to hear it. I’m doing a similar thing. Twincam 16 valve head on a 2.0 block with twin Dcoe 45’s and a dizzy, also with Gilmore pulleys

    • @opossums-will-sing
      @opossums-will-sing 2 года назад

      Where'd you get a twincam head for an Astron?? They're rare as!

    • @4geedupandstuff132
      @4geedupandstuff132 2 года назад +1

      @@opossums-will-sing I’m using a Saturn 2.0 block so the twincam turbo heads bolt on. You just need to drill two holes in the front of the block for the steam ports on the twincam head. I have about 7 twincam heads in my shed all various ports ( vr4 big port and evo small port)

  • @stephenpartridge686
    @stephenpartridge686 2 года назад

    Having done this exact swap many years ago on a GE Sigma, you need to use a 2.6 from an Auto, not a manual and use a 2.0 5 sp, this will allow everything to bolt straight up...

  • @change_your_oil_regularly4287
    @change_your_oil_regularly4287 2 года назад +5

    Wish I'd kept my sigma. Fun car.

  • @rjl110919581
    @rjl110919581 2 года назад

    thank you for sharing the video

  • @glennarnold3970
    @glennarnold3970 2 года назад +1

    hi benny chech the engine mount plates that bolt to the engine that might be the difference between auto and manual for gearbox location if the manual in your parts car is the same length as the manual just installed then i would say the motor needs to go forward and the mount brackets are wrong but i know you will get it sorted and look forward to the next episode cheers from broken hill

  • @navseal345
    @navseal345 2 года назад

    The music choice as always, 👌

  • @metalmindz4307
    @metalmindz4307 2 года назад +2

    That's the big box. There is a box that fits exactly where u want it

  • @MafiaboysWorld
    @MafiaboysWorld 2 года назад +4

    Bit surprised you didn't do the 2L head on the 2.6L block Benny and go for some high compression fun. 🤔

    • @chuggles03
      @chuggles03 2 года назад +2

      The tradeoff would be ending up with smaller valves and ports. The best heads are the TR-TS Magna.

    • @MafiaboysWorld
      @MafiaboysWorld 2 года назад +1

      @@chuggles03 Yeah, I remember a 2.6 to 2.0L head guide way back in the day from Fast Fours and you're right there. From memory they did a three angle valve job on it to fix it back up to close to the 2.6L specs.

    • @karloshesscobar
      @karloshesscobar 2 года назад +2

      Early Astron 1 2.0l and 2.6l is the exact same head (2.6 has dished pistons and both are solid cam). Later astron 2/magna has flat top pistons and far superior cyclinder head, lower intake studs moved for better port, and bigger valves - came stock with hydraulic cam but can swap early model solid stuff over.

  • @notold37
    @notold37 2 года назад

    Love the SIGMA, I laughed when the battery tray had the piece cut out 😁😂🤣, great video Benny

  • @Matt-ns8px
    @Matt-ns8px 2 года назад

    I was worried when u first introduced this car. U started restoring it n I was wondering when the Benny's custom works was coming in. Sigmas have a nice body but need some engine. Onya mate. Keep it up

  • @S1GMARE
    @S1GMARE 2 года назад +1

    My bro and me used to joke the glass geared pilkington 5 speeds in sigmas must have been hand made. Every one was a different length.

  • @MrWilliam.Stewart
    @MrWilliam.Stewart 2 года назад +1

    Someone in the comments called it, "the mechanical Stigma"

  • @thomasbryan4166
    @thomasbryan4166 2 года назад

    I think the difference you have is a 4 speed body compared to a 5 speed. Watch out for your shifter and how it connects to the selector. I had issues with mine pulling out completely while driving. There are fixes for it. Some use a metal bush and bracket others are just a replica plastic ball and cup with frequent changes.

  • @SamYoung4x4
    @SamYoung4x4 2 года назад

    Epic episode bro! Loving it :D

  • @brendanmatthys3788
    @brendanmatthys3788 2 года назад +1

    Sigma battery tray grindset

  • @darrenmcneill2226
    @darrenmcneill2226 2 года назад

    I learnt to drive in one of these. Silver with red interior and manual. I was an idiot and sold it unfortunately.

  • @nathangiles1612
    @nathangiles1612 2 года назад +1

    Finally some koolaid at 9 mins I thought I was watching a different channel until I saw it ahhh the forbidden cordial

  • @matthewhayward5926
    @matthewhayward5926 2 года назад +1

    Damn, I would have sold you my 2.6 and 5sp straight out of the GE.

  • @anomamos9095
    @anomamos9095 2 года назад +1

    There is the possibility the engine mounts are swapped around

  • @HHCHunterYTC
    @HHCHunterYTC 2 года назад +2

    Yeaaaaah the SIGMA!

  • @79DJB
    @79DJB 2 года назад +1

    Why not go full McMadScientist Spec? Billsy FTW

  • @pigdog1985
    @pigdog1985 2 года назад

    Autos and manual bodies are diffrent I had to do the same, modified the trans mount and cut the shifter hole

  • @atevalve
    @atevalve 2 года назад

    If it's from a Triton can you swap to the tailpiece from your manual parts car? I know Starion guys here in North America do that to make narrow belhousing 5-speeds fit for 4G63/4 swaps so it may be worth looking into.

  • @BradLancaster86
    @BradLancaster86 2 года назад

    hey my justy drive video was because i went out of town to look for a donor car, I thought they had almost all the same bits. was hoping my old car or the parts car would have the same half shafts, well I had the two cars home and the parts cars axles where a different spline count. it made sense to fix up the parts car that time, but for a bit I had two identical subarus, one FWD the other due to lack of parts RWD, was trying to get 4WD working :P
    Hey also your super lucky, I've got an 82 mitsu/doge mirage/colt/champ and I know I'll never see another 4 speed manual with high/lows for FWD.

  • @ChristopherHallett
    @ChristopherHallett 2 года назад +2

    I know this isn't meant to be a big budget build, but are you gonna put ITBs on the 2.6?

  • @stevemcintyre4398
    @stevemcintyre4398 2 года назад +2

    Ah the Bitsushiti Stigma big block conversion. Is it going to be 45mm Weberised?

    • @BennysCustomWorks
      @BennysCustomWorks  2 года назад +1

      Twin 45’s :D

    • @stevemcintyre4398
      @stevemcintyre4398 2 года назад +1

      Sweet old school inductoin noises. Hope it has the headwork and appropriate cam, will pull like a train.

  • @kynanbful
    @kynanbful 2 года назад

    I ride past a Sigma in a barn that hasn't moved in the years ive been riding past (our area)
    Looks in reasonable condition (from a distance 🙃) Happy to share the local if interested. Owner might want to sell.

  • @nijov5317
    @nijov5317 2 года назад

    Old skool 👍

  • @mooroocho834
    @mooroocho834 2 года назад

    Like ya style benny!

  • @brad5301
    @brad5301 2 года назад +1

    Hey Benny all goods if ya dont see this but i am doing an 1 for one swap on a wh statesman and i have snapped the oil pressure plug wire as there all brittle AF would soldering the plug back on be ok or will i need to sause a nother loom out

    • @BennysCustomWorks
      @BennysCustomWorks  2 года назад +3

      Best to get a plug and pin kit, efi hardware sell them :)

    • @brad5301
      @brad5301 2 года назад +1

      Thanks mate life saver

  • @daryllanderson9607
    @daryllanderson9607 2 года назад

    The sigma box should fit as they have the shifter in the most rearward position. L200/Triton has shifter further forward

    • @BennysCustomWorks
      @BennysCustomWorks  2 года назад +4

      The GE/ GH needs the l200 style as it turns out. The gk box ( which is what I was sold) is too long

    • @73bigted
      @73bigted 2 года назад

      How much room around the sump and fan? Could you move the engine forward different mounts?

  • @djredhareaus38
    @djredhareaus38 2 года назад

    Why do you need sutch a bit belt for the alternator

  • @adamheazlett1179
    @adamheazlett1179 2 года назад

    Dude off of piping off will do and hoses mate.Ok cool US and UK knock off.Why TIG weld exhaust and intake looks pretty .Time and cost is a big thing to new players

  • @clubsprt
    @clubsprt 2 года назад +3

    So is this the mechanical stigma?

  • @Frontman936
    @Frontman936 2 года назад

    Love the sigma videos even though the car is a piece. Would be cool if you could hot rod a bluebird.

  • @slithereyes850
    @slithereyes850 2 года назад

    Does anybody know the name or have a link to that rear muffler??

  • @TheInsaneTD
    @TheInsaneTD 2 года назад

    Could be what's know as a Jap box rather then the Borg Warner they came with normally. The Jap box is supposed to be the better box and both are supposed to be 5 speed.

  • @xozindustries7451
    @xozindustries7451 2 года назад

    Think of it this way, you have a Barra motor in a Cressida, so you can sell it on marketplace and say it’s a Cressida motor right? In a 40 year old car the last guy could have pulled the motor and gear box out of the car he said it was in, but that doesn’t mean it was original or correctly installed.

  • @myxrutefalcon269
    @myxrutefalcon269 2 года назад

    I'm thinking L300 van box.

  • @TomBudin
    @TomBudin 2 года назад

    keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen i love these cars always wanted one

  • @curiouskid30
    @curiouskid30 2 года назад +1

    So ya sticking with carbs or going efi out of a later astron powered magna.

    • @BennysCustomWorks
      @BennysCustomWorks  2 года назад

      Twin weber 45’s

    • @curiouskid30
      @curiouskid30 2 года назад

      @@BennysCustomWorks nice nice. That'll wake it up. Lovin the sigma. Always wanted to build one because they are a good platform for the era they were made and ya don't see many around these days. My first car was an 84 gsr with a few tasteful upgrades. Was fairly spicy for a n/a 4 pot, diffs became an issue though.

  • @Ceyx1265
    @Ceyx1265 2 года назад +1

    i miss my scorpion what are you doing with the 2L and gearbo. i could use bot for my Morris Minor. lol

  • @Jakanddaxter1999
    @Jakanddaxter1999 2 года назад

    How common are these is Aus nowadays? Never seen one in NZ

    • @taimaishu-nao1922
      @taimaishu-nao1922 2 года назад

      Hard to even find in the US today and they were sold as a Galant by Dodge.
      My Old Car has a whole video on them.

    • @brendonwood7595
      @brendonwood7595 2 года назад +1

      I don't think I've seen one in the wild for a decade or more.

    • @Devastator0
      @Devastator0 2 года назад +1

      Not very common at all. I honestly can’t remember when I last saw one in person. Would be well over 10 years or so.

    • @jamesleicher
      @jamesleicher 2 года назад

      maybe was called a Colt like in South Africa ?

    • @73bigted
      @73bigted 2 года назад

      We had the GTO’s though in NZ two door, mate had one was mean as bro

  • @AlistairLattimore
    @AlistairLattimore 2 года назад +1

    Does the Sigma need baby boost?

  • @deanesh6389
    @deanesh6389 2 года назад

    You should show much more content and the process of what you do in each episode instead of glossing over a lot of stuff.
    I dig the channel but more detail would be better 👍
    Ps I love the sigma 👌

  • @ashleyrichards4698
    @ashleyrichards4698 2 года назад

    That gear selector top is not a sigma setup i would say that gearbox is from the old triton

    • @BennysCustomWorks
      @BennysCustomWorks  2 года назад +1

      It’s a gk sigma as I’ve since found out.

    • @ashleyrichards4698
      @ashleyrichards4698 2 года назад

      @@BennysCustomWorks oh ok none of the ones i had had that style of selector top. My mistake.. unsure why the hole doesnt line up then never had that other they when i used a triton box

    • @BennysCustomWorks
      @BennysCustomWorks  2 года назад +1

      @@ashleyrichards4698 the gj/ gk boxes are longer unfortunately :(

  • @filmntvguy1977
    @filmntvguy1977 2 года назад +1

    Bro this car will sell for 70k given it’s provenance

    • @BennysCustomWorks
      @BennysCustomWorks  2 года назад +1

      It’ll be a lot cheaper than that.

    • @filmntvguy1977
      @filmntvguy1977 2 года назад

      @@BennysCustomWorks will you sign it? Price rise according.

  • @duckbob100
    @duckbob100 2 года назад

    sigma mindset

  • @Zobby447
    @Zobby447 2 года назад

    Don’t use a triton box they are junk always blow second

  • @jubthreesixnine688
    @jubthreesixnine688 2 года назад +2

    Moist