Excellent modification and upgrade for a true offshore mini cruiser. I see from the comments that a few of the viewers do not understand how the " process " of small boat building works. The ability to modify and tweek a design based on each persons experience and target cruising area is in large part why you build your own boat. The beauty of the Wave Rover 650 design is that modifications can be made during the building process without a great deal of effort. While the removal of a foot well appears to be major, in reality at this point of construction Alan shows that is very easy to do. Without a doubt this will increase the strength and dry storage space below decks. Further it has removed at least 2 or possibly 4 thru hull fitting to drain a footwell. Finally, without a footwell to trap 10 cubic feet of water from a following sea coming aboard you have removed the possibility of 640 pounds of water slowly draining away. A most dangerous condition when in a short period wave train situation. Good upgrade for the bluewater sailor. If your goal is day sailing and near shore cruising by all means put the footwell in as designed...thats what makes this design so exciting.
@@RoversAdventure Alan I think your camber on the aft deck is perfect as well. Enough to shed water quickly and looks just right for underfoot when heeled...
Shedding water from cockpit wells is a problem it seems for many boats. Whenever Ruth Avery takes a large wave I have to pump the bilge, as the time is takes for the water to drain is enough time for water to leak in through the cockpit locker hatches. I hadn't ever noticed that the Pardey's did away with the well on Talesin!
Ehhhxcellent. Great choice. I think in my 3rd video I explained why I wanted no cockpit and I talked about Lin and Larry, showing a picture of their boat. Fun to see you feel the same. This will free up a lot of space inside the stern too.
Doing away with the conventional cockpit is a good idea. My previous 10 meter monohull yacht had what was really an aft deck surrounded by bulwarks and with only a very tiny footwell less than a meter square, This aft deck provided a great space to relax in, and if I wanted to hand steer I used a tiller extension and sat against the bulwarks, and on that boat we also had a wonderful sleeping cabin under that deck area with a proper double berth. My current 6 meter sailing catamaran also does not have a conventional cockpit, but rather a large aft deck area measuring 1.6 meters fore and aft, and 2.6 meters athwartships so it is an easy space to walk around and carry out sail handling tasks. I built a coaming type structure on the outboard sides of this aft deck area which provides a higher seating area and also helps to keep the aft deck area dry in rougher sea conditions. If I were building the Wave Rover I would do exactly the same as Alan, but I would want some coamings, or maybe extend the raised cabin sides aft to the transom to provide just a little bit of enclosure. Also doing away with the cockpit provides some useful extra storage space, and also gives another alternative for an additional sleeping area.
Alan this is a very intelligent modification for this purpose-built boat, especially considering how small the footwell in the original design was. In the modified production boats sailed in the high latitudes by Roger Taylor, reducing the size of the cockpit was a priority in his builds. Makes perfect sense.
Well done Allan, great to see how carefully you are working. Quite astonishing to see how cold it’s getting at your place. I know that the video is always a few weeks behind. But here (Austria) it was such a mild winter, just once about 20cm of snow in Vienna (capital) and now we have up to 20 degree Celsius sometimes (in march !!!). How about your house building obligations you had to promise to Mrs Rover 😉?
You are right about the timing of the video. It was filmed in early February. The house build will start early June. I have a lot on my plate this year lol
yes!!! , finaly someone made that, did not repeat rare stupid construction... nobody need a footwell on real cruising boats.... did anyone see a man that is sitting in cockpit and steering? how many time you can do it, 2? 3? hours and then? everybody is just raxing and waiting for squals...
You didn't mention any bulwark. I'd suggest a healthy bulwark to keep the dropped thing on the boat. Also have you thought about adding remote steering like the North Atlantic 29. I think jester had it first.
Very tidy work, Alan. Having no cockpit well certainly makes construction and drainage easier, while increasing internal volume. I did consider not putting one in on my build...
Alan. I agree with your cockpit modification. Very sensible for blue water solo sailing. I guess you could fit a soft spray dodger for use in sheltered waters if required.
For me there's something about a cockpit that adds that extra security and reduces the chances of being washed overboard...I don't have the knowledge you have on ocean sailing and what is the "best setup", however, I have 100% faith in your ability, knowledge and design. Thanks for posting & stay safe!
His sail rig is going to be extremely simple and he'll be able to handle it from the hatch w/o climbing out onto the deck. He'll still be able to go out and "stretch his legs" in good weather. Given the enormous amount of additional room he'll gain inside, this is a good tradeoff for him.
Great video as usual, I am really enjoying your progress. I can understand your views re doing away with the cockpit, however I think I would have compromised slightly by just having a small foot well. Handy for having a bath during a monsoon..!! But not big enough to cause any stability problems, but still a comfortable sitting area when required. I always liked the designs of Nick Skeates, I think he did something similar on his Wylo 2.
I really like the design of the small ETAP Sailboats, you get more room inside the cabin, and a really big foredeck to use for calm weather and not sailing. (Same idea as your cockpit) Moving the entry hatch off the center and install a foldable seat. Would free up the aft to install a low bunk in the center. and give more space to utilize in the middle of your cabin.
The only catch to off-center companionway hatches is, whilst the hatch is further above the waterline when heeled one way, it's down closer to the waterline when heeled the other way. It *can* work, depending on the boat design, but on a low-freeboard vessel like a Wave Rover 650, it's not something I'd feel comfortable with. Far to easy to accidentally let a (literal) ton of water below deck if you open the hatch at the wrong moment.
You will need a comfortable place to "sit" when you do need to handle the tiller for any length of time. I know that bones and joints get real angry when one is sitting uncomfortable.
Glad you have decided to do away with the cockpit. If I build the WR650, that is exactly what I plan to do. A big increase in usable interior volume. John Welsford’s Swaggie (a lot of parallels to WR650) also has no cockpit. John suggests that you carry a folding deckchair and fix cleats to the covered aft end to keep the chair safe. Just for the occasions when the weather is so kind that you have to sit outside. But a substantial rail will be essential and some sort of simple fixed plank to sit on would do just fine.
@@wesleyburghardt7189 ha ha, well spotted. Afraid not. I am the unfamous Robin Graham that lives a very humble life on a remote island in Orkney, Scotland. But I am well aware of the Famous Robin Lee Graham who sailed round the world as a child. A very inspirational fellow, probably about the same vintage, but there the similarity ends. I spotted his book in our library recently, I did try to read it when I was about 20 but never finished it. I will dig it out and read it again.
I like the idea but would want to extend a secure stern rail forward to the aft cabin house. The cambered deck would be risky without a hand hold of some sort; and, keep your head down! The added dry storage below is a real plus. Any thought of a sealed hatch in that deck area? This hatch could be hinged on one side and raised aft to allow a foot well mini cockpit area and access to stern when at port or for maintenance purposes.
Hey Alan, nice video as always. I was a bit curious as to why you chose to glue up the stringer and plywood to the boat BEFORE you shaped it. Wouldn't it be easier to shape them while you have the ability to move them off the boat? Especially since you were only aiming at at rough cut anyway. Or am I missing something?
Perfect! A cockpit in a small craft would just be a waste of space and all that extra structure while sacrificing structural rigidity. Combined with a "Mingming/Wave Rover" hatch you already have a perfect sheltered "footwell" anyway, should a manual steering position be required underway.
This is a really interesting project. Have you given any thought to using plate aluminum to fabricate a vessel for this purpose? I am a welder/ fabricator specializing in aluminum so I immediately can visualize the advantages of going Ali. You are obviously a master craftsmen with your woodworking and glass skills so I am sure that is your passion. I am currently learning Auto CAD and hope to design and build a vessel someday.
It seems that the decision to eliminate the foot well was sudden. Of course, I know practically nothing about boat design and so am not criticizing the decision, but rather wondering why it was not made earlier in the process. What does the naval architect think of it?
Very interesting (and radical) idea, and a ton more interior space. On my way to check out Lin and Larry Pardey - thanks for the tip! Edit: Been trying to find videos of the Pardey's boat layouts and design philosophy, do you have any tips?
I thin that removing the cockpit makes great sense! I'm excited to see the end result! May I ask what you are now planning to do with the large amount of space you are gaining in the stern area underneath the aft deck? (where the cockpit would have been). And considering the importance of this change, are the Wave Rover design and build plans updated to show the new and improved design? Thanks, greatly!
Lots of advantages to this change, not just the added interior volume and simplified construction but also the elimination of having to deal with a foot well full of water and the loss of stability if you get swamped. You now have a great lounging deck too. I do wonder where you will stow your drogue now that you have removed the foot well?
I think it's an interesting idea about the cockpit. You get more space below, and a simpler design. Somehow i think it genius. :) Thinking a bit more about it Itry to imagine, how it will feel to be at the deck in the middle of an ocean. And the thought of walking around on a deck like that actually feels unpleasant. It's like living on the front of the boat, where you normally use a life line. I guess you will need some sort of fence, that is limited in height by the boom. Will that feel secure enough?
Interesting points Mose and i'm very much curious as well in those points. I'm guessing there is no way he will go on deck unclipped when he's alone or it's not glassy calm. When you think about it, the reason you mentioned it would feel like being on the front of the boat, has something to do with your center of mass being high above the sideways tilt axis and thus feeling the effects of roling much more. I think vessels cannot be insured to go cross oceans if there is no guardrail. I digress. good day!
By eliminating the cockpit and foot well, you are building a single purpose boat: Crossing oceans. Have you thought that one day you will want to sell Wave Rover 650 and your prospective buyers base will be very limited! Even for a day sail in the bay one will want a bit more comfort... When I did my own Atlantic tour, I liked spending time outside watching the stars, sunrises and sunset laid down in the cockpit. Cheers
This is my interpretation of the 650. I told the other builders I was going to do this about a month ago. Many are going to do the same but not all. The design is such that you can tailor it to your needs.
If there's enough interest, I'll ask Andy to do a supplemental plan with the new variant. But just using the stock plan this is a pretty easy change for anyone to make
Alan, are you going to laminate the deck and house beams? With the 5.5" camber on the house beams you would waste a lot of material cutting them from solid boards. Things are looking good. take care and have a good weekend.
@@RoversAdventure If you make your deck stiffeners say an inch high and put a 1/4" plywood on the inside of them so you have air sandwiched between the outer layer and the inner layer, you'll end up with a very stiff structure. Much stiffer than if you just put in a bunch of stiffeners that are say 3" high.
@@jasonmcintosh2632 - The downside to that, would be that it would add a lot of additional weight, and the airgap would be a place where water could collect, leading to rot.
@@Garryck-1 I don't know how much weight is going to go into the stiffeners. It's not zero. 1/4" thick plywood wouldn't be too heavy. You wouldn't need to seal it. The lower ends would be left open and you could have all of the ventilation holes drilled into it as you'd like. You might find some use for the 1" gap... Just a thought.
Alan another great video. I understand what you mean about the cockpit being a wet area but that's only while at sea. In calm conditions and at anchor it would be useful. I do think it's a mistake to build without one. Just my opinion
I would agree if it was a holiday cruising boat (like my own) but this is built to a purpose, one that the designer and builder are more experienced at than me n thee.
@@RoversAdventure I really do think you will regret it. I know you are not going to build something just to confirm, but I'd say there's a reason why by far the majority have a cockpit or at the very least a footwell. Whatever you decide it won't stop me following you and wishing you every success. It's such a shame I am 2 years from the end of my contract otherwise I'd have jumped at the bungalow build opportunity and the chance of a summer project..... All the very best
I'm not a fan of pilot houses.. they create extra windage, and are more susceptible to being smashed in by a large wave, or a knockdown. Depending on the design, a broken pilot house can result in a large hole in the boat that can't be closed off, meaning the boat could fill with water during a storm.
The pine is all inside and it's job is to assist in gluing and supporting the deck longitudinals (upcoming video). It is strong enough and yet light enough.
Ducibella from Riddle of the Sands.......same concept for the cockpit or lack there of.......! Dang I have to search for your Vids...they don't auto pop up like the other channels (the ones i don't care to watch).
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Excellent modification and upgrade for a true offshore mini cruiser. I see from the comments that a few of the viewers do not understand how the " process " of small boat building works. The ability to modify and tweek a design based on each persons experience and target cruising area is in large part why you build your own boat.
The beauty of the Wave Rover 650 design is that modifications can be made during the building process without a great deal of effort. While the removal of a foot well appears to be major, in reality at this point of construction Alan shows that is very easy to do.
Without a doubt this will increase the strength and dry storage space below decks. Further it has removed at least 2 or possibly 4 thru hull fitting to drain a footwell.
Finally, without a footwell to trap 10 cubic feet of water from a following sea coming aboard you have removed the possibility of 640 pounds of water slowly draining away. A most dangerous condition when in a short period wave train situation.
Good upgrade for the bluewater sailor. If your goal is day sailing and near shore cruising by all means put the footwell in as designed...thats what makes this design so exciting.
Well said Tom! I'm looking forward to demonstrating the new arrangement at sea in about a year.
@@RoversAdventure Alan I think your camber on the aft deck is perfect as well. Enough to shed water quickly and looks just right for underfoot when heeled...
Oh yes, I forgot about the upside of subtracting two thru-hulls! I've had adventures with a failing thru-hull.
@@howtosailoceans1423 I remember your well documented adventure with the thru hulls...I sure hate the darn things...
Shedding water from cockpit wells is a problem it seems for many boats. Whenever Ruth Avery takes a large wave I have to pump the bilge, as the time is takes for the water to drain is enough time for water to leak in through the cockpit locker hatches. I hadn't ever noticed that the Pardey's did away with the well on Talesin!
I really like that bench idea. Very cool!
I'm glad you like it
Very good call, Alan! 👍
Thanks!
Ehhhxcellent. Great choice. I think in my 3rd video I explained why I wanted no cockpit and I talked about Lin and Larry, showing a picture of their boat. Fun to see you feel the same. This will free up a lot of space inside the stern too.
Doing away with the conventional cockpit is a good idea. My previous 10 meter monohull yacht had what was really an aft deck surrounded by bulwarks and with only a very tiny footwell less than a meter square, This aft deck provided a great space to relax in, and if I wanted to hand steer I used a tiller extension and sat against the bulwarks, and on that boat we also had a wonderful sleeping cabin under that deck area with a proper double berth. My current 6 meter sailing catamaran also does not have a conventional cockpit, but rather a large aft deck area measuring 1.6 meters fore and aft, and 2.6 meters athwartships so it is an easy space to walk around and carry out sail handling tasks. I built a coaming type structure on the outboard sides of this aft deck area which provides a higher seating area and also helps to keep the aft deck area dry in rougher sea conditions. If I were building the Wave Rover I would do exactly the same as Alan, but I would want some coamings, or maybe extend the raised cabin sides aft to the transom to provide just a little bit of enclosure. Also doing away with the cockpit provides some useful extra storage space, and also gives another alternative for an additional sleeping area.
Alan this is a very intelligent modification for this purpose-built boat, especially considering how small the footwell in the original design was. In the modified production boats sailed in the high latitudes by Roger Taylor, reducing the size of the cockpit was a priority in his builds. Makes perfect sense.
Good job my friend. Maurizio from Italy...
Great to know that we have "Rovers" in Italy!
Another great video and great music from Bizet's opera, Carmen.
Thanks Ron 🙂
Da dum ta dum dum, dum ta dum, ta dum, use a cuspidor, that is what it’s for! Haha.
Such an exciting project. Well done Allan
This should provide an amazing amount of extra interior space.
Who doesn't like a big glue up! Good on ya, great modification and progress!
I really love watching the progress. In a few years i too may be able to do such an awesome project.
Go for it!
Sounds like a great idea Alan!
Well done Allan, great to see how carefully you are working. Quite astonishing to see how cold it’s getting at your place. I know that the video is always a few weeks behind. But here (Austria) it was such a mild winter, just once about 20cm of snow in Vienna (capital) and now we have up to 20 degree Celsius sometimes (in march !!!).
How about your house building obligations you had to promise to Mrs Rover 😉?
You are right about the timing of the video. It was filmed in early February. The house build will start early June. I have a lot on my plate this year lol
yes!!! , finaly someone made that, did not repeat rare stupid construction... nobody need a footwell on real cruising boats.... did anyone see a man that is sitting in cockpit and steering? how many time you can do it, 2? 3? hours and then? everybody is just raxing and waiting for squals...
Thanks for understanding.
Very cool stern bench seat on the contessa 26. I might have to do that on mine!
Great video!! Real exciting stuff
Thanks Logan!
You didn't mention any bulwark. I'd suggest a healthy bulwark to keep the dropped thing on the boat.
Also have you thought about adding remote steering like the North Atlantic 29. I think jester had it first.
Very tidy work, Alan. Having no cockpit well certainly makes construction and drainage easier, while increasing internal volume. I did consider not putting one in on my build...
Alan. I agree with your cockpit modification. Very sensible for blue water solo sailing. I guess you could fit a soft spray dodger for use in sheltered waters if required.
For me there's something about a cockpit that adds that extra security and reduces the chances of being washed overboard...I don't have the knowledge you have on ocean sailing and what is the "best setup", however, I have 100% faith in your ability, knowledge and design. Thanks for posting & stay safe!
His sail rig is going to be extremely simple and he'll be able to handle it from the hatch w/o climbing out onto the deck. He'll still be able to go out and "stretch his legs" in good weather. Given the enormous amount of additional room he'll gain inside, this is a good tradeoff for him.
I like your thinking and it should work in favour when hit by the big splash. A compromise would be to make a shallow footwell
As I'm sure you know Blondie Hasler did a similar thing with Jester, so you're in company with junk rig royalty as well! Good idea, Alan.
Great video as usual, I am really enjoying your progress.
I can understand your views re doing away with the cockpit, however I think I would have compromised slightly by just having a small foot well. Handy for having a bath during a monsoon..!! But not big enough to cause any stability problems, but still a comfortable sitting area when required. I always liked the designs of Nick Skeates, I think he did something similar on his Wylo 2.
I really like the design of the small ETAP Sailboats, you get more room inside the cabin, and a really big foredeck to use for calm weather and not sailing. (Same idea as your cockpit)
Moving the entry hatch off the center and install a foldable seat. Would free up the aft to install a low bunk in the center. and give more space to utilize in the middle of your cabin.
Good suggestion.
The only catch to off-center companionway hatches is, whilst the hatch is further above the waterline when heeled one way, it's down closer to the waterline when heeled the other way. It *can* work, depending on the boat design, but on a low-freeboard vessel like a Wave Rover 650, it's not something I'd feel comfortable with. Far to easy to accidentally let a (literal) ton of water below deck if you open the hatch at the wrong moment.
You will need a comfortable place to "sit" when you do need to handle the tiller for any length of time. I know that bones and joints get real angry when one is sitting uncomfortable.
Speckels is going to be pissed with no cockpit!
Glad you have decided to do away with the cockpit. If I build the WR650, that is exactly what I plan to do. A big increase in usable interior volume.
John Welsford’s Swaggie (a lot of parallels to WR650) also has no cockpit. John suggests that you carry a folding deckchair and fix cleats to the covered aft end to keep the chair safe. Just for the occasions when the weather is so kind that you have to sit outside. But a substantial rail will be essential and some sort of simple fixed plank to sit on would do just fine.
Thanks for the comment Robin.
Are you *that* Robin Graham? Couldn't help thinking that he did the same thing with the original Dove.
@@wesleyburghardt7189 ha ha, well spotted. Afraid not. I am the unfamous Robin Graham that lives a very humble life on a remote island in Orkney, Scotland. But I am well aware of the Famous Robin Lee Graham who sailed round the world as a child. A very inspirational fellow, probably about the same vintage, but there the similarity ends. I spotted his book in our library recently, I did try to read it when I was about 20 but never finished it. I will dig it out and read it again.
I like the idea but would want to extend a secure stern rail forward to the aft cabin house. The cambered deck would be risky without a hand hold of some sort; and, keep your head down! The added dry storage below is a real plus. Any thought of a sealed hatch in that deck area? This hatch could be hinged on one side and raised aft to allow a foot well mini cockpit area and access to stern when at port or for maintenance purposes.
You read my mind about a well secured stern pulpit connected to the cabin.
Hey Alan, nice video as always. I was a bit curious as to why you chose to glue up the stringer and plywood to the boat BEFORE you shaped it. Wouldn't it be easier to shape them while you have the ability to move them off the boat? Especially since you were only aiming at at rough cut anyway. Or am I missing something?
3:36 I would love to see a Videotutorial on how to Build a Mark3 Windstearing Windvane.
Good news, That video on building the windvane is on line on his site already!
Perfect! A cockpit in a small craft would just be a waste of space and all that extra structure while sacrificing structural rigidity. Combined with a "Mingming/Wave Rover" hatch you already have a perfect sheltered "footwell" anyway, should a manual steering position be required underway.
This is a really interesting project. Have you given any thought to using plate aluminum to fabricate a vessel for this purpose?
I am a welder/ fabricator specializing in aluminum so I immediately can visualize the advantages of going Ali. You are obviously a master craftsmen with your woodworking and glass skills so I am sure that is your passion. I am currently learning Auto CAD and hope to design and build a vessel someday.
It seems that the decision to eliminate the foot well was sudden. Of course, I know practically nothing about boat design and so am not criticizing the decision, but rather wondering why it was not made earlier in the process. What does the naval architect think of it?
Andy (Naval Architect) and I have a great relationship. I'm the designer and he is the engineer. Creatively we make it work to the best advantage.
Very interesting (and radical) idea, and a ton more interior space. On my way to check out Lin and Larry Pardey - thanks for the tip! Edit: Been trying to find videos of the Pardey's boat layouts and design philosophy, do you have any tips?
I'm sure that there is a lot out there but I ended up buying their books over the years. Great sketches, ideas that you can build on, and photos
The Pardey's largely predate the internet, so most information can only be found in their books.
I thin that removing the cockpit makes great sense! I'm excited to see the end result! May I ask what you are now planning to do with the large amount of space you are gaining in the stern area underneath the aft deck? (where the cockpit would have been). And considering the importance of this change, are the Wave Rover design and build plans updated to show the new and improved design? Thanks, greatly!
Increased storage area as well, she will have a huge amount of interior space for sure.
Curious... why didn't you cut the camber before application?
It's much easier to glue up a blank (pine plus two laminations of plywood) and cut after it has set up
Bravo !
Lots of advantages to this change, not just the added interior volume and simplified construction but also the elimination of having to deal with a foot well full of water and the loss of stability if you get swamped.
You now have a great lounging deck too.
I do wonder where you will stow your drogue now that you have removed the foot well?
The drogue was not forgotten and I will reveal how I will handle it in a later video.
I think it's an interesting idea about the cockpit. You get more space below, and a simpler design. Somehow i think it genius. :)
Thinking a bit more about it Itry to imagine, how it will feel to be at the deck in the middle of an ocean. And the thought of walking around on a deck like that actually feels unpleasant. It's like living on the front of the boat, where you normally use a life line.
I guess you will need some sort of fence, that is limited in height by the boom. Will that feel secure enough?
Interesting points Mose and i'm very much curious as well in those points. I'm guessing there is no way he will go on deck unclipped when he's alone or it's not glassy calm. When you think about it, the reason you mentioned it would feel like being on the front of the boat, has something to do with your center of mass being high above the sideways tilt axis and thus feeling the effects of roling much more. I think vessels cannot be insured to go cross oceans if there is no guardrail. I digress. good day!
I plan to put a very solid Pushpit connected to the cabin.
By eliminating the cockpit and foot well, you are building a single purpose boat: Crossing oceans. Have you thought that one day you will want to sell Wave Rover 650 and your prospective buyers base will be very limited! Even for a day sail in the bay one will want a bit more comfort...
When I did my own Atlantic tour, I liked spending time outside watching the stars, sunrises and sunset laid down in the cockpit. Cheers
I really hope no one is building a boat thinking about resale value and plans.
This is my interpretation of the 650. I told the other builders I was going to do this about a month ago. Many are going to do the same but not all. The design is such that you can tailor it to your needs.
@@cosmicinsane516 The two happiest days in a life of a boat owner are the day he buys the boat and the day he sells it.
Going for the alex thomson design? 🤣
Are these changes going to be reflected in your building plans?
Just Asking.
If there's enough interest, I'll ask Andy to do a supplemental plan with the new variant. But just using the stock plan this is a pretty easy change for anyone to make
Alan, are you going to laminate the deck and house beams? With the 5.5" camber on the house beams you would waste a lot of material cutting them from solid boards. Things are looking good. take care and have a good weekend.
Probably a bit of both, solid and laminating.
@@RoversAdventure If you make your deck stiffeners say an inch high and put a 1/4" plywood on the inside of them so you have air sandwiched between the outer layer and the inner layer, you'll end up with a very stiff structure. Much stiffer than if you just put in a bunch of stiffeners that are say 3" high.
@@jasonmcintosh2632 - The downside to that, would be that it would add a lot of additional weight, and the airgap would be a place where water could collect, leading to rot.
@@Garryck-1 I don't know how much weight is going to go into the stiffeners. It's not zero. 1/4" thick plywood wouldn't be too heavy. You wouldn't need to seal it. The lower ends would be left open and you could have all of the ventilation holes drilled into it as you'd like. You might find some use for the 1" gap... Just a thought.
Good morning, curious are you planning on a forward hatch?
We did away with it in some early provisions in order to strengthen the mast supports.
Alan another great video. I understand what you mean about the cockpit being a wet area but that's only while at sea. In calm conditions and at anchor it would be useful. I do think it's a mistake to build without one. Just my opinion
I would agree if it was a holiday cruising boat (like my own) but this is built to a purpose, one that the designer and builder are more experienced at than me n thee.
I agree. Maybe you don’t need a whole cockpit, but a footwell could be a compromise. A lot more comfortable to sit on the deck if you have a footwell.
I'm thinking a small beach like folding chair for those in harbour/anchor conditions with a good sun awning over.
@@RoversAdventure I really do think you will regret it. I know you are not going to build something just to confirm, but I'd say there's a reason why by far the majority have a cockpit or at the very least a footwell. Whatever you decide it won't stop me following you and wishing you every success.
It's such a shame I am 2 years from the end of my contract otherwise I'd have jumped at the bungalow build opportunity and the chance of a summer project..... All the very best
@@mikeandcheryl Thanks for your input, I appreciate and read them all. Too bad on the bungalow build but your heart was in the right place.
That's a surprise and make total sense. f I modified my steel boat to raise the cockpit deck, I'd have a reasonable berth under. Pondering.....
I follow SVEN YRVIND and your boat is GIGANTIC compared to his..
Welcome aboard the Wave Rover 650. She is still very small but she must be comfortable enough to be my home for months/years at a time
why not to strech the dog house and make somethink like pilot house?
A lot of great ideas here. I suspect some of the other builders (15 as of last week) read these comments and may in fact execute some of these ideas.
I'm not a fan of pilot houses.. they create extra windage, and are more susceptible to being smashed in by a large wave, or a knockdown. Depending on the design, a broken pilot house can result in a large hole in the boat that can't be closed off, meaning the boat could fill with water during a storm.
@@Garryck-1 Agreed, truly a nightmare situation that you describe. Very likely an abandon ship situation.
Why use pine?
The pine is all inside and it's job is to assist in gluing and supporting the deck longitudinals (upcoming video). It is strong enough and yet light enough.
@@RoversAdventure are you fully encapsulating the pine in epoxy? PIne has just about zero rot resistance!
seems one could get rather creative with designing the pulpit.
Absolutely
No cockpit would mean for me that every tool, screw, bumper, and shoe will slide or be blown into the sea. Not for the fumbled fingered.
Crack on.......
Ducibella from Riddle of the Sands.......same concept for the cockpit or lack there of.......! Dang I have to search for your Vids...they don't auto pop up like the other channels (the ones i don't care to watch).