The Tragic Legacy Of The USS Titan
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
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00:00 - Intro
00:26 - Titan Legacy
00:56 - USS Titan: No Bloody A, B, C, or D
02:20 - USS Titan-A
04:20 - Conclusion
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Hey, i wanna ask if you could possibly do a breakdown of the Constitution-III as a Class?
I’m asking because I noticed some Troubling Flaws in the design i think need to be addressed, mainly the Lack of any weapons on her ventral Stardrive Section, there’s a Blindspot the Sixe of a Defiant-Class Ship there, and that’s not an exaggeration, as Size-Wise the Constitution-III is Similar in Size to Starfleet’s old Ambassador-Class of Starship, that’s not the Only Blindspot but is the most prevalent.
Even a Nova-Class Ship, a Vessel Captain Janeway said was designed for Planetary Research is Better Armed than the Connie-III, and would probably definitely have an advantage over it in a fight.
And you think that’s my only concern, don’t worry, it gets worse, that Blindspot is where her most Critical Systems are located, mainly her Antimatter Pod and Warp Core Egress points, It’s like the same guy that Designed the Death Star Also designed the Connie-III and the more i look at it, the more i feel like she’s not ready.
I’ve pointed it out to others before, some have shared similar concerns, while others got mad at me, and others straight up laughed it off.
The federation couldn't have refit the old enterprise D into the new enterprise g with a death star cannon phaser Lance. No, the galaxy brains of the fed had to usurped another ships and crews glory.
I agree with you. They didn't need to rename the Titan the enterprise.... it was a slap in the face to the ship with the history it had.
Was a slap in the face to both names for me.
@@rattlertech I believe you said it better in one sentence than I did.
@@rattlertech Enterprise is very much the right name for her.
@@Arms26 No it's not. They would never rename a currently active ship to the name of Enterprise. That name has always been reserved for the best of the best and always given to a brand new ship. They had ZERO reason to retcon the Ent-F by decommissioning her 8 years BEFORE she was even supposed to be launched! it's a slap in the face to the names Titan and Enterprise
@@chrisholdread174 The Enterprise A wasn't a brand new ship. It was the Tahoe, then the Yorktown. It had been renamed twice Including Enterprise and definitely wasn't the best of the best. Infact it was "put together by monkeys" as Mr Scott said
I really would rather they had refit the D and relaunched her as the G. That idea is crazy as well.
Refitting the Enterprise D into a Ross Class and all you have to do is change one letter to a G that would have been much better, besides the only thing that is original of the Enterprise D was its Dorsal section, I bet the ventral section of the saucer had to be completely rebuilt because it collided with Viridian III and skimmed along the surface taking out alien trees along the way, so I imagine that the ventral section had to be completely rebuilt while the dorsal section of the saucer looked mostly intact, not to mention the original stardrive of the Enterprise D was turned into a radioactive metallic vapour cloud above Viridian III and was replaced by the USS Syracuse’s stardrive section. Besides completely rebuilding a ship only to put in a museum seems wasteful, it is a waste of materials to do so, if your planning on rebuilding a ship put it back into service first for like 10 or 20 years then put it in a museum. I think not only should they have rebuilt the saucer section of the Enterprise D but also refit it into a Ross Class, the same can be said about the stardrive section of the Syracuse which they should have not only renamed it the Enterprise but change one letter from a D to a G, that is what would have honoured Picard. Putting the Enterprise D back into service with just one letter change would have been much better.
Plus having the Enterprise G with pieces of the old Enterprise D would have been a perfect homage to the original Enterprise D in a way and like I said all you have to do is change one letter and that’s it, so building a Ross Class using parts from the Enterprise D would have been better.
In the final episode, I loved all of it, until the second I saw they renamed the Titan-A the Enterprise-G.
This isn't some random ship like the Sao Paulo. This is a ship with a good enough history and lineage to maintain the name and registry. This rechristening was a massive spit in the face of Titan and my biggest qualm of season 3 of picard.
The more I think about it, should've just launched a new ship. Ie. USS Picard, a Neo-Galaxy (which I think is the Ross-Class?) ship or something.
I wonder if the crew from the Titan and the USS São Paulo get together on the 602 club to talk about Starfleet's great disservice to their memory
The Sao Paulo was renamed right out of spacedock IIRC, so I'm not sure it would have had a similar service record as the Titan
@@Tanulis Understandable.
@@Tanulis In this case, only the Titan crew go to get drunk lmao
You want to talk about name changes, the Enterprise A was the Yorktown
She earned her name Titan. She didn't deserve to be renamed.
Personally, I feel like the G was a big snub. Not just to the legacy of the Titan, which obviously done enough to earn a Legacy registry not even the Excelsior or Defiant had done, but to the Enterprise legacy itself. The Constitution III is kind of treated like an old worn out relic. Shaw stating the engines were 20 years old. The Enterprise F got barely got screen time to canonize the Odyssey class and was treated like it was a failure because it was immediately decommissioned after the incident it seemed like. After that, the name Enterprise bumped the Titan A, ticked up to G, and it's no longer the flagship that it had been since the original 1701.
Sorry, but while I like the design, Enterprise should've stayed with the D being rebuild as the Galaxy X Dreadnaught under Captain or Admiral Riker's command. Would've been a nice tie in to All Good Things and left the Titan A to forge her own legacy under captain seven.
Now that is and Idea. Galaxy X class NCC-1701-G Rebuilt making 'All good things' history come true!
What I don't understand, is that the Enterprise is the flagship of the entire Federation, but the Titan has been established as a weak little ship in every regard, an underdog.
Is this really the ship you would send on the most important flagship missions, up against Romulan Warbirds, etc etc? I have no clue why they'd name this ship Enterprise. The Titan had made a name for itself!
They did have an entire year in which to install upgrades and new systems whilst they were repairing the damage it sustained throughout the season (would be curious to see if they repaired the cloaking device too and made that a permanent feature) so it might not be quite so much the weak, recycled ship she started off as.
This is Starfleet, Enterprise D punches below her weight class. That's kind of the point though, they are not made for fighting. If you want a big strong combat flagship go to the Klingons.
Perhaps the ship already earned a name change, a lot of time has passed since lower decks, there are still a lot of wiggle room for the Titan.
The Enterprise was a special ship that deserved it's A..but the renaming with the added letters of other ships just seemed to me to make the practice not that special anymore.
I thought it was a slap in the face to all that died and the Titan's crew saving the day. If you want anther Enterprise give us a new ship don't dishonor anther ship. It will always be the Titan to me.
I greatly enjoyed this criticism. I legitimately believed that we would pan over the Titan towards another area of the space dock to see a brand new ship called the Enterprise G, which would’ve been fine by me (and personally I would’ve preferred that). I skipped both Seasons 1 & 2 of Picard and stopped watching Discovery after Season 2, I haven’t gone anywhere near Prodigy or Lower Decks, but I have seen Strange New Worlds. New Trek if anything divided the fanbase, but now it seems to be trying to mend that relationship. At first, I thought it was too little too late, but then Strange New Worlds came out, and I have my criticisms of the show, but none have to do with the writing, at least for the most part. Then I watched Picard Season 3, and I am hopeful of Star Treks' future. And isn’t that, Treks’ ultimate mission? Not to take away our fear of the future, but to reassure us that there is indeed hope? Because one day WE ALL will be in space, the final frontier, voyaging on starships not limited to the Enterprise, on continuing missions, to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, and to boldly go where no one has gone before!
I haven't watched Lower Decks yet. Prodigy is great when you consider and remember it is a kids show.
Lower Decks is actually better than pretty much everything else they've put out and that's just sad.
I think the productions just had to adjust to all sorts of executive meddling and demands for “modernisation” (in narrative, not just sets), until the market response let the writers just tell more of the story they wanted to tell in the first place.
Prodigy is excellent, and I actually think Disco S4 is pretty strong. It’s still got some pacing issues but far less-so, and doesn’t have anywhere near the level of distractedness as even S3, let alone the first two which were absolutely all over the place.
Did no one ever tell Starfleet it’s unlucky to rename a ship?
Makes me wonder if maybe Starfleet has a new ship in mind to bear the Titan-B name after this incident. Still didn't need to be done though.
Would be funny if Titan B was an Odessey Class.
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Actually I was thinking it would be funny if it was the Enterpeise-F
@@HeadlessChickenTO That is an Odessey class, they just swap the registry.
I like the Titan, but renaming it Enterprise (F), felt wrong.
I was never too kee on multiple ships having the A, B, C, etc besides the Enterprise. In universe i bet it was given the G because of its role in saving everyone and that they either lost most of the older command staff on frontier day or the ship that was meant to replace it got damaged beyond repair.
The problem with that is space dock can’t built new ships
@@gamerfan8445 why not? As far as we know it is capable of it we just haven't seen it yet
A rant video on Connie variants this late? I'm looking forward to that! :D
Can't wait for the rant video.
The federation/Starfleet is so easy to take over a Casino in Vegas could do it.
I would say that, mostly, I agree with you in broad terms. But, wow! This is the first time I actually completely agree with every single word you said!
Teen Titans!! ... oh wrong show
"Special Anti-Pakled Military Operation"
At least worf didnt break this one....
True. I still want to know what he did lol
Yet
I didn't read the books but it's not hard to find details about USS Titan. Confirm some of the details from the book in lower decks
is it me or does it look like if they fire photon torpedoes they will shoot the bottom of the saucer off?
and don't think i didn't notice you played jazz music when the Titan was facing off against Pakled clump ships
The Titan's missions in beta canon are very interesting -- some of the best ST novels, IMO. I really suggest giving them a read. It's a shame more elements from them didn't make it into canon, like Tuvok serving aboard the Titan for some time.
But the luna wasn't the first ship with that name
But it was the first ship with that registry number. Ships only get the -A prefix if they keep the name AND registry number.
Ship names are recycled all the time, the registry number is where the legacy is.
Kinda off topic and extremely dumb question. Why did Picard and Riker need the Titan in the first place.
Thought Riker was in Command of the Zheng He? Or did he get relieved of that command? And if so why?
Temporary posting in 2399. Riker was retired from service but in reserve by 2399. So when Picard requested help Riker volunteered. But it wasn't a permanent command. This is also why Shaw has issues with Riker and Picard in 2401
I think there is gonna be another new ship would name titan
Making it the Enterprise G was insulting to both lines. They ought to retcon this mess away.
So I have a random question and I would like some real thought and maybe some serious Enterprise h is this going to be an absolute absurdity throwdown a multi-vector outright Overkill or maybe a redesign of the galaxy-class starship just asking ???!?!!?
The Titan being renamed Enterprise was a slap in the face of its accomplishments and namesake. It should’ve remained the Titan. And it’s kinda lame that the Enterprise F was already being early decommissioning for some kind of system wide issue.
Overall Picard S3 was solid minus some nitpicks. But the way names are slapped on anything and vessels being tossed out before their time was lame.
There was Sovereign Class ships running around left and right. So those obviously have some mettle between their legs. Which begs the question: why the shorter lifespans of Starfleet vessels anymore compared to past ones?
80102 should have been retired along with the D after the events of Picard s3e10. For whatever reason, the producers decided to gloss over the F because they wanted their own Enterprise. So if they absolutely HAD to make a G, it should have been a Ross class 1701-G Flagship. Would have been a nice bonus to see a Yorktown or Vesta Class 80102-B, to be the explorer hero ship of ST: Legacy.
the big ? is titan b when
:/ I feel like I am the only person that likes seeing Titan being renamed Enterprise. The ship was instrumental in saving Earth and the greater galaxy from the Borg, they honored it in the best way possible without upending any traditions by making it the next Enterprise the most celebrated name in Starfleet. I mean that's the starship equivalent of the Medal of Honor, they could have left it the only other honor I can see is making it a part of the fleet museum.
Heck this isn't even the first time a ship is renamed enterprise, Kirks Enterprise-A was the york town having recently undergone a refit.
They should have named it the USS Tuvix. Just go all-in.
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She's one of the best looking ships out there
It would really have made more sense to keep the Titan-A as the Titan-A, and have the enterprise-G be another newly built Neo-connie is they really want that.
I agree. It should have kept the titan name. No need to rename it to the enterprise
Not that I think they should’ve changed the name in the first place but since they did it maybe Picard would’ve been a better choice
I liked a lot of Picard season 3 (Seasons 1 and 2 are rants for another day), but renaming the Titan to the Enterprise is something that didn't sit well with me. In a season that used its fanservice premise mostly well and to the benefit of the plot, making the Titan the new Enterprise was just gratuitous so they could use their clever line about names mattering. If they make Star Trek: Legacy (And really, I would actually like to see what they'd do with it if they did), it didn't need to be aboard an Enterprise. Really, we have our adventures of the Enterprise going already with Strange New Worlds. They should have just let the Titan be the Titan.
It was an absolute cop out that they renamed the ship. I felt at the time it did a disservice to the crewe. Its like these shows don't have a test audience of trek fans to point out these flaws
What the crew of the Titan are now the same crew as the Enterprise? Don't understand all the hate. It makes so much sense and is such a cool story arc for Seven.
You have a weird definition of hate
I would have preferred it keep the name Titan. However, if they really insisted on renaming it (looking at you Beverly), then they should have renamed it after Shaw.
Change if names happen so frequently. 😂
Its STILL the Titan. Piss on the Enterprise name. The USS Enterprise was retired the second the 1701-D crashed its saucer section on that planet 20 years ago.
I think this only shows how the current (or maybe previous - as the show's came to an end...?) people in charge of the franchise lack vision, or at least some basic oversight.
How on earth did we come, from the ships looking more and more like there were at least some industrial artists/stylists involved in the development of the product (or maybe - the engineers themselves had not skipped those classes at the academy, and had some basic "taste" for the appearance...?) - to just "hehehe, let's re-make a constitution, just 150 years later"?
I mean - nothing against the Connie, but it's just like re-starting the production line of a Ford Model T, or some Mercedes from the 30s - sure, as a vintage, low series curiousity - why not? No one would expect Ford to start producing them in the milions though, and offer it to normal customers instead of a Fiesta of Focus though, no? 😕
Hop on the lore from “Star trek legacy” dope game
It's no hot take,I prefer the luna class design. The Neo-constitution is too star wars nostalgia bait for me. I was born in 82' I liked the orginal series reruns, but Iam not as ga-ga like Star Wars fans for the O3 characters.
Why do the new ships look like the old ships from the original series 🫤
Okay now that there is a Titanic and Titan below the waves being two disasters I think that the name is bad luck, if their are any gods out there I think their against the name Titan just look off the coast of New FoundLand well well a few miles away from there and you’ll find the wrecks of both Titan and Titanic I’m seeing a theme in these disasters aren’t you. I am now thinking that calling a ship titan or having Titan in its name is bad luck and now you have two vehicles in one spot with the name Titan which have gone through a disaster in their own histories now on the sea floor literally next to each other.
I can't agree more- absolutely shameful to change the name of a vessel already carrying the legacy of another. Awful, awful creative choice.
Yeah, they should have made a new ship the Enterprise, not renaming the Titan. In fact, the new Enterprise should have been something grander than this.
The Titan should have retained its name, and the Enterprise G should have been an entirely new ship. The rechristening is by far the worst fan service decision the show runners made in S3...but, at this point it is what it is.
What's wrong with bringing back the Constitution?
At least I know I’m not the only one who thought it was disrespectful to rename the Titan. I absolutely hated the last season of Picard. Such stupid nostalgic garbage.
Of your not the only one, who noticed the name change was a huge unnecessary slap in the face the to the Titan-A crew! Also, regarding the nostalgia, I'm ok with that the only gripe that I have and can't get over is the easy defeat of the borg in last episode and the wasted last 20 minutes of nostalgia,when that could have been used to further the plot! Season 3 for the most part had some good episodes, being episodes 5 and 6 which were really good in my opinion. Episode 10 was a huge let down with no surprises and predictable plot! I was very disappointed to say the least!!
I disagree. Being rechristened Enterprise is an honor.
Lets be honest, people who say "she earned the name Titan", she earned it because she was essentially hijacked by the command crew of the Enterprise. If not for being hijacked, she would not have earned anything. She achieved what she achieved because she had a crew willing to disobey orders and risk court marshal to rescue Beverly Crusher. The rest history. She earned the name Enterprise.
She may have been hijacked of sorts, but it was still Shaw in command for most of the time, then Seven of Nine; that was Titan’s assigned command staff. And she was already part of a legacy which Riker’s Titan earned. Had she just been “Titan” with a completely new registration number, then I don’t think you’d see quite the stink about her being rechristened. But she had been given the “A”. You don’t honor one legacy by detracting from another
@@jamesd5842 Riker took over as Captain for the most part and even pulled rank on Picard at one stage. I guess the Titan "Legacy" you speak of is relatively unknown, especially among casual fans, but having said that, that legacy can and will continue in the future, possibly with a new ship, but Titan earned the name Enterprise not because of her size, but because of her exploits, which though controversial, in many ways saved Starfleet. Not to mention she was apparently the only Starfleet vessel in the entire fleet that incorporated a working cloaking device.
@@Arms26 Riker only took command for a brief period while Shaw was incapacitated. As soon as Shaw was able he resumed command.
And a legacy is any registration that gets reused, as opposed to the name being reused with a new number. The best example is Riker’s Titan, which reused the name of the TOS era Titan, but had a new registration number. Yet Shaw’s Titan reused the number of Riker’s, and got the “A”. That’s a legacy. From what we’ve seen, Titan, Voyager and Enterprise are the only active legacies. We don’t even know if Excelsior was a legacy or just a reused name.
We don’t yet know what Riker’s Titan did to earn a legacy, just that it did. And severing that is a grave disservice. And Titan wasn’t commissioned with a cloaking device. They purloined it from the Bounty at the museum. So that’s a complete non-point. As for “earning” the name Enterprise….that’s not a thing. Except for the A, each Enterprise was a new commission. The name isn’t bequeathed to existing ships based upon exploits. And again, had Titan not been an A in its own right, it wouldn’t be such a big deal. But they chose to honor the Enterprise’s legacy by stripping the existing Titan legacy. There’s no getting around that. It’s a big faux pas by naval tradition
@@jamesd5842 most of what Titan achieved was under Riker or Sevens command. Legacy is in a name, not a registry number. The registry number compliments the Name.
@@jamesd5842 I mean the same could be said for the Titan. No one knows what she ever did to deserve a legacy but she just has one. I'd disagree with that. A ship is deserving of a legacy through achievement, not through mere existence. Surely Excelsiors legacy is through her involvement in the battle of Khitomer and also being prototype of a class which is one of the longest serving and reliable Starfleet classes ever conceived.
Pretty much all of the ship canon in Picard s3 failed drunken rule-of-cool vomit.
What about F? I don't get it, so we have the F and G running around in space. STUPID!
That ship is ugly. It doest't look like a 25 century vesel but more like a late 23 or early 24 century. And it's too small and to little majestic to be a Federation flagship.
I utterly hated the G the F had a history and was a key part of STO. These writters have no respect for games but love destroying everything connected to it. STO was once all we had for post-nemesis content . This sucks.
Cleary they hate the game and the F as they retconned it to be in service (and decommissioned) 8 years before it was even to be launched. I'm so sick to death of retcons
@@chrisholdread174 they don't clearly hate the game, you're overreacting lol you're looking for something to be angry about instead of understanding that at no point was sto the actual continuation of trek history. It falls into the realm of the novels and comics
Lore Reloaded poor baby! Grow up they are making Constitution Class variants even into the 32nd century. And as for the name change, suck it up. Said and done it was the crew of the Enterprise that saved the Federation not the Titan. So the Federation and Starfleet chose the recognize that fact period.
Ahh.. snowflake can’t take criticism
@Lore Reloaded No, you just don't like to hear the truth. Unlike you I was actually watching Star Trek when it came out in the 60s. So if anything you are the snowflake and people like me are the real fans. Now run along back under your rock.
Maybe it's just me but the final season of Picard put fan service before plot reason or logic.