Lucy Letby: Trial's statistical evidence was a ‘scientific fake’
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- “Statistical evidence helped convict Letby… and the main statistical constructs, a number of statisticians have said, was just a statistical abomination.”
Statistician Peter Elston calls the statistical evidence given during Letby’s trial “a scientific fake.”
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The problem with modern society is that there are bosses in charge that will literally do anything to cover up THEIR mistakes.
*SPOT ON!!!*
If she’s guilty as charged then there definitely should be others charged and held accountable for this crime and following her to prison.
She is innocent 200%
Oh but i doubt this is a modern society problem - cover ups are as old as mankind.
Yes many in power are corrupted. The greed is appalling
We see the distraction technique in the current government cabinet, police force and justice in general. Look at someone else, but don't look at me. Now we hear about the bacteria issues and poor techniques that were used or went wrong, that were nothing to do with the people accused.
Hats off to him and others like him for caring enough to even look into it, let alone voicing their concerns
How about her diary ?
@@Grand_Edict How about lack of adequate training made her feel she was harming the babies?
@Grand_Edict how about pulling single sentences out of the whole context?
@@Grand_Edictshe was told to write down her feelings that bit has already come out. This whole case has stunk from the beginning
@@Grand_Edict I thought the same until I looked at what else was in there…they cherry picked to say the least. I don’t know if she’s innocent or guilty, but shouldn’t she at least get a fair trial?
incompetent Hospital + junk science + CPS career ambitions= LIfe Without Parole
And journalists
Classic recipe for injustice globally. junk science, circumstance, arrogant police/lawyers/management
Plus coloured doctors
@@staedlerokoh do jog on you racist berk.
@@staedlerok white doctors
It she gets out she must sue the living day lights out of all and sundry
Which is probably why they won't let her out....
It's the media that have ruined her name, they have the most to answer for in damages
@@BeesWaxMindertoo much noise is being made about it now there will be a very good chance that she will be free .
Sadly I’m not sure she will get out. It would be the biggest scandal in British history and would destroy the NHS. She’ll be made a scapegoat to protect it.
@@citizenphaid1880 Maybe that was the plan all along. When the UK PM has secret meetings with Gates and Blackrock, absolutely NOTHING is off the table.....🤕
Deaths dropped after Letby was suspended because the hospital stopped admitting the most sickly and vulnerable babies... Lucy was a scapegoat for the failing hospital.
A hospital stopped the admittance of sick children? What world are you living in?
@@jonb3311
That's how the likes of you distort the truth:
He said "THE MOST Sickly CHILDREN"
Quite a different from what you are saying ...
@@jonb3311Don’t ever be employed in the criminal justice system. Or anywhere that requires critical thought and standards and integrity.
@jonb3311 The neonatal ward was downgraded to a level 1 ward so babies that were 32 weeks and older could be admitted. Previously it was a level 2 for babies 27 weeks and above. I hope this helps with your confusion.
@@jonb3311 you show absolutely no critical thinking skills. Did you know Chinese takeaways can get shut down by environmental health for hygiene failures, so you actually get a Chinese takeaway that can't serve Chinese food, hard to believe I know
I'm glad we're talking about this issue, because this is the only way to put pressure on the Justice System to act quickly to exonerate Lucy Letby of all "crimes".
CPS and judiciary need investigating. The CPS is guilty in so many cases of confirmation bias. Their remit isn't justice - it's CONVICTION. UK GOV needs to be seen to win at all times so the CPS pick cases they think they can win. They need to win so badly, they refuse to believe they can be wrong.
The mainstream media is finally catching up to information the independent media has been presenting for months and months and months.
Well said, Look at Stefan Kiszco case, mainstream media miles behind
well they are catching up, just because the independent media already changed peoples mind and now they need to catch up to don't close doors... in sum, it is not willingly but due to financial reasons that pushed them to do it...
Often the case
No it isn't. She murdered babies, you play your pathetic conspiracy games, meanwhile she'd locked up and she's not coming out.
No. Just hearsay that will make zero difference.
that would put anyone off being a nurse,
I'm glad I'm retired now. I wouldn't be able to trust any employer.
working in the NHS too... I wouldn't work there if I cared about people. I'd be recommending a healthy diet to prevent so much of humanities ailments today, not the freak show we have.
The findings from Dr Shoo's team were shocking but expected, from a poorly resourced hospital and sick population.
Put off..? You would have to be insane to work in an NHS hospital .for a start the abuse they take off the general public is bad enough ,but this case takes it beyond the pale . where was the nursing union in this ?
2019 put 30 - 40% off from nursing
It’s not what it was, far from
@@rolandhawken6628 it’s amazing or rather shocking how the Unions disappear when an individual really needs them.
I think a lot of people are going to avoid nursing as a career, after the way they have treated this poor nurse.
Many nurses are treated badly by NHS managers…it’s just covered up.
Especially when she was being investigated with no concrete evidence ridiculous.
The hospital managers are looking after their big salaries. And their ego at the same time ,
Or a career in the post office, after what happened to hundreds of postmasters.
What happened at the Post Office, clearly shows there are people high up in any organisation, that are prepared to cover up their failures and throw those lower down the ranks, under the bus, to protect themselves.😮
What happened? What post office? I'm in Australia
@crosssection6289 Research the Horizon Post Office scandal UK.
There is a really good TV drama about it called 'Mr Bates vs The Post Office' which uncovered the scandal.
Basically the Post Office prosecuted many Post Masters for stealing money, when it was their own computer system which was faulty causing the losses.
They basically knew the system was flawed but continued to prosecute their staff.
@@crosssection6289 it’s too massive to explain on this forum just Google - UK Post Office scandal.
@@crosssection6289I don't remember completely, I am from Sweden but basically a computer bug in the cash register software resulted in that it looked like the managers in a lot of local post offices around the UK had stolen a lot of money. The central postoffice administration was claiming that the system was foolproof and a large number of post office managers was wrongful convicted of theft.
@crosssection6289 I worked in the PO in the UK during this (for 11 years).
In a nutshell, we had an operating software called horizon (made by Toshiba).
In our contracts it was stated that any monetary loss would have to be paid for by ourselves.
Our tills were repeatedly down in cash and stock, and staff were blamed for stealing.
People were fired, and prosecuted.
Some of these people took their own life.
My manager tried to alert her manager that something was wrong, but management wouldn't accept it, thinking that lots of staff were stealing.
Four years after I left, we finally found out that our "closed system" ie horizon could be accessed via a back door that Toshiba had built in.
Now it's come out, but it doesn't bring anyone back who took their own life over it, who went to prison because of it.
As an Ex nurse I’m not surprise with how the “investigation” was done. 😔🕊✝️🙏🏻
Cr@p falls from the top down...
It was supported with self confessing diary entries
"I killed them, I did this"
@@Grand_Edict If inadequately trained you may think you have let the babies down
@@Grand_Edict the diary entires are not I killed these babies I do this this and this, the entries are obscure and could relate simply to letby devastation that these babies died while in the countess Chester hospital. If I was a nurse and babies died in my hospital I would still feel deep regret and blame myself for their deaths as she thought her care wasn’t good enough. When in reality as the neonatal experts have reviewed it was due to wide failings lack of experience with doctors, poorly inserted vent tubes etc. this looks like a high mortality rate within a years time but it’s a cluster, the truth is letby wasn’t on duty for every single incident. I firmly believe she has been wrongly convicted
I never thought she was guilty from first hearing about this case. Shes going to be living a very comfortable life one day.
her life will never be comfortable, money or not
We certainly hope so, and hope that Lucy doesn't suffer further injustice with delays in further investigation.
Comfortable in wealth maybe, but not in mind
She'll never be the same again
Poor lucy
@@matthewbellious5676 I agree, she will never be the girl/women she used to be. I would suggest she will have mental health issues for the rest of her life.
Disturbing news that police used flawed 'expert' and prosecution continued with flawed 'expert'.
The public are unsafe until investigations are made public.
Unfortunately this happens all the time in all countries. Between 10 and 20 percent of people in prison in the UK and US are innocent.
The public are unsafe until Labour are out of government. We have all seen how the Police have acted since Labour came to power.
Why do you ignore her self confessing diary ?
why do you ignore the experts?
@@tylerbruh2544 Did you watch the video? 'scientific fake'
The Medical Consultants and NHS management scapegoated Lucy Letby, they should be charged with perverting the course of justice! teh police and judiciary are also culpable
That doctor who went on TV gloating about the conviction should be charged.
The management stuck by her for some time ,remember when she was convicted people wanted to prosecute management as well . unfortunately they buckled instead of sticking by their guns in the long haul against the lying incompetent doctors 2 of which had killed babies
The management did try to stand up for Lucy and they’re in trouble for it right now
Two doctors need more charges than just the ones you mention
One doctor and one nurse (perhaps two) certainly need the charges you mentioned
@ This certainly was not a mistake, they knew what they were doing.
@@Withnail1969 totally agree
Consultant doctors learn and know their left from right in the first or second year of school
Consultant doctors learn and know the anatomy of the body in the first year of med school
Consultant doctors know when they have drawn back frank blood
Consultant doctors know the correct type and size equipment and tubing to use
Consultant doctors make ward/unit rounds regularly are approachable, responsive and responsible
Consultant doctors do not watch a young woman locked away for whole of life for something they know they did
I used to think nothing.nefarious happened in that unit, that it was predominantly overwhelming sepsis from the sewage and other natural causes although the ruptured liver capsule confused me as this takes tremendous external force or internal injury and is beyond excruciatingly painful - but how ? Well now we know
I agree no accidental deaths, no mistakes leading to death it’s nefarious
Added to that the numbers of babies dying and/or suffering from medical assaults increased again 7 months after Lucy was no longer nursing
This person needs standing down now (as management where trying to do as per revelled in the current inquiry ) investigating and stopping
They will only continue they can not help themselves
I appreciate your comment. It is not a mistake.
Letby was a hardworking nurse and very responsible and very friendly. She saved the life of a baby, whom the doctor literally left alone and turned off the baby's device. Does anyone really believe that this young woman would commit such crimes without a motive and without any psychological problems? Would a guilty person write in his diary "I am innocent and have done nothing wrong" “ panic” "I feel lonely and scared" "I can't breathe" "police investigation is discrimination slander victimisation" "why me?" Would a guilty person write in his diary about the "victims" of the twins, "Today is your birthday, I'm sorry, we didn't do enough to save you, I do not know if anyone will remember you, but I will always remember you."
This also happened in the Netherlands with Lucia B. It’s statistics done by non-statisticians.
The Lucia de Berk case needs to be shouted from the rooftops in support of Lucy Letby.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia_de_Berk_case
Yeah, don’t forget. They also had a quack.
A woman who is was very unwell as a primary medical expert
You’d think They’d learn
@@patricklockerby4308 Richard Gill has done this.
No motive, no evidence, no confession. British justice?
And no crime !
Ah but she was accused by senior Doctors… so that is that
see the expert who came in - he is a known agent to tell lies !! just like chris whitty in 2020
@@virtualal This society places too much importance and trust in ‘seniority’.
@@Dokus360 and doctors in particular. Remember Shipman and Mengele.
There has always been something suspicious about this case. Letby seems to show none of the hallmarks of a psychopath/sociopath and the notes that she wrote, that were used as evidence are antithetical to either neurotype. It’s easier for the hospital if their failings as an institution are pinned on an individual. Letby has been repeatedly denied an appeal but I hope her new defence team will secure another trial where this expert statistical, and medical evidence, (as corrected by other commenters, below) can be brought before the court.
It's not just the stats, medical experts say she's innocent.
> hallmarks of a psychopath/sociopath
Actually you seem to have false preconceptions of female killers. I suggest you look up the typical profile. It fits.
@@Justin-wj4ycAgree 100%.
@@Justin-wj4yc She may or may not be guilty, but what's become clear is that there was never enough *evidence* of guilt for a safe conviction. Definitely not "beyond reasonable doubt."
but she did display some odd behaviours, she was in rooms she wasn't allocated to (where babies subsequently collapsed) and kept having to be told to go back to her to her designated room. She took medical notes home and did not give a reason why (yet she knew that was not allowed). She searched the parents of infants that had died multiple times over years but claimed she did not remember those particular babies in the trial.
For all the people that ask for the death sentence on any crime....this is the reason why we don't have it.
We don't have it because of Timothy Evans, who was innocent and hung.
@jonb3311 yes so it is about killing someone who is innocent. Nearly every person who has committed a crime in the uk, you read the comments and it will say bring back the death penalty. No, never bring back the death penalty because of the law gets it wrong.
You clearly aren't looking too closely at arguments around the death penalty- the argument to bring it back is specifically for cases where there is no doubt eg the person was caught in the act, with witnesses, on CCTV and with a confession. Letby's case doesn't fall into any of those categories.
@@rivka8576 when she was convicted, it was pushed that there was overwhelming evidence which would have constituted the death penalty. It's only after much campaigning since conviction that this conversation has grown. She would be dead already. Bringing back any form of the death penalty is ridiculous and also lends itself to being abused by the state.
@@rivka8576 I disagree in the strongest possible terms. if there's a chance that a single innocent person would be killed for something they didn't do, it's not worth having a death penalty and I question the intelligence of people calling for it.
If you find my comment disrespectful to you personally, that is because I intended to disrespect you.
“Found guilty” never means a person did anything? Lots of people have been found guilty then cleared many years later.
Very good interviewer. Very good expert. This is a horrendous miscarriage of justice.
Not definitely, but likely.
@@AnotherPointOfView944I would say definitely
@@AnotherPointOfView944I would say definitely
@@AnotherPointOfView944 I agree, but even "likely" should be more than enough to get the conviction overturned.
@@imbethondion4572no it shouldn't. It should go to the CCRC which it will in a submission and they will read everything within it and look back through everything else that happened before.
Looks like Lucy may have been a sacrificial lamb to cover up gross systemic failures in paediatric patient care.
DEI
I think the same.
I am a white nurse in london. She was an easy target. I got under the investigation as well while my Filipino co-workers did not. Trust will always blame whites . We are an easy target
How about her diary?
@@stuffanthingsproof, or is it just your racism showing.
This woman is sitting in jail. This must be rectified immediately.
Just imagine being locked up for your entire life for something that you didn’t do. The wrong people are often the scapegoats for those who should be baring the responsibility. Lucy Letby is guilty of trusting the legal system that should protect her. But not guilty of any death of any babies. She must be freed.
How do u know she didn't do it .. because some numbers said she didn't 🤡
@@thedreamer3454why not? That was the was she was prosecuted.
@@thedreamer3454clearly didn't watch the 2hour press conference held reporting the findings of the 14 medical experts who are more qualified than the ones the prosecution gathered did you otherwise you would have clearly understood that infact their new evidence shows no murders of babies occurred by letby but instead the babies were seriously ill and failure to treat them in a timely manor alongside staff including consultants and Dr's were to inexperienced to deal with their medical complications that or they simply failed to act. They clearly demonstrated the babies died from poor medical care and slow response to treatment meaning serious illness due to babies being born premature and delays in diagnosis and treatment were the cause if anyone murdered them it wasn't a single nurse😂
@@SN-ig2mlI don't think people realise how bad the NHS is getting. Over 6 billion is payed out in compensation for inferior treatment by the NHS. Recently reported ,fake qualifications for imported nurses.
@@SN-ig2ml so I will ask you again ...can you demonstrate that she is INNOCENT beyond a reasonable doubt WITHOUT just pointing to the stats done by 14 experts that alleged that they believe no murders have been committed?
I'll wait ? Because Numbers and stats don't prove that she didn't.
Thank God the truth has come out.
@@Deadbeat-k1l the truth hasn’t come out yet. Until Letby gets her right to appeal she will stay in prison. If her appeal is denied again it’s far better for the organisations that put her inside in the first place. If she’s found not guilty at appeal it would be very damaging for the NHS, police and judiciary. That’s why they are refusing an appeal and will continue to do so without support for Letby by the public.
There’s more to come
Wait till you hear about the butterfly needles left in a tiny babies chest wall
Of course not by Lucy
It’s Shocking
@@louisejeffries7155 They need to find out who did that.
What Evil people on this Planet and Lucy Letby isn’t one of them. Have you noticed the horrible photos the Press post of Lucy . I wish this lovely lady and her family to be able to get over this dreadful crime against Lucy. All the luck in the world wished I am sure by the many.
Her life is ruined.
Her and her poor parents will never be the same. Ever.
@ I think Lucy can become strong with the aid of her family and I hope some genuine friends. She will gain strength by giving talks throughout the World and hopefully those cruel people who put her in prison will be put there for their negligence of running a safe hospital etc.
You only have to look at Lucy to see the shock she is in, god bless her 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️
@tocolitic I'm not sure she is strong enough to survive. Time will tell!!
Imagine if she's actually a serial killer. What fools you are.
Lawyers don't like statistics as they weaken lawyers' arguments..
Plus they probably don't understand them.
A witch-hunt and a smear campaign of epic proportions from the start. The question is why?
Narcissism?
Newspaper profits, lynch- mob mentality, anti- social media, etc,etc...
because she was about to be a whistleblower on the harms the medical experiment did to babies
Look over there, not over here kind of thing?
@@TrevisioExperiment?
This needs to go to court of appeal immediately and she should be released pending criminal charges against hospital management
it has been and the evidence stood
It’s been there, twice.
No it was rejected by judges before getting to court of appeal. It was never heard.
@stevec6232
Not going to happen, they have a conviction and will fight tooth and nail to retain it. This has gone beyond innocent or guilty and become political.
@@iamrocketray The judiciary especially keen to move on, Lady Justice something or another is claiming no appeal should happen because of the hurt the parents feel, pure emoitional blackmail over justice.
There must be serious legal consequences against all those involved in LL's case if she gets exonerated.
It won't happen on its own. People need to push hard just like they do now as the system will resist change.
As pointed out at the time medical expert witnesses willing to testify for the defence in such cases are rare as hens teeth - not because their arguments are not strong and valid but because they risk their careers through actions taken by the BMA and the NHS against them
Absolutely
That's absolutely appalling, surely the BMA can't do that?! I'm not surprised by anything anymore though, so much corruption in this world
Their evidence was not allowed.
Science get things wrong ? Surely not ? What about other occasions where we have been advised to "follow the science" or the science that tells us that 2024 was the hottest on record? Science seems to have taken over as the main driver of fear (control) in place of religion.
If she is innocent I hope she sues the NHS and the CPS into the ground.
And I wonder who will end up paying.......you and me !
@@alanwilkinson9487 I don't mind paying an extra 10p to see justice done.
@iamrocketray is that the point though really, should we pay for there mistakes ,and bad practice
@@alanwilkinson9487 Just another thing we all pay taxes for😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
@@alanwilkinson9487 The taxpayer no. Those responsible yes.
Poor Lucy condemned for doing her job disgusting. Let her out now please.
She's need protection , as there are a lot of loons out there !
@@nigelmoscrop9987 Lucy had drive ,good job ,young woman bullied but she spoke out. Condemned for rest of her life. Truth is out she needs to go home. Suffered enough.
During my PhD in Production Engineering, my advisor declared that Statistics was an elegant way of lying.
How has England crashed back into medieval times of witch hunts? 😮
we imported the medieval world en masse
@@stuffanthings Import the third world, become third world...
@@stuffanthings without first ridding our own society of the residual medievalism within.
@@stuffanthings Are they running the CPS now!
@@Ette397 politics and financial business cultures brought into a service for the sick. A hospital is the only place you can go to 24/7 for any medical emergency..mental health, physical health…and receive help. Then corporate psychopathic pen pushers were given big salaries, to bring in a culture of money over life.
I’ve been in that hospital- it has such a bad atmosphere there’s something rotten in the Countess of Chester and it’s not the poor nurses.
Well that sounds like evidence... oh wait it's just one gammony opinion.
Endorse that entirely. The nurses are dedicated. The doctors not so much. The actual building is in a shocking state and not very clean in some places
@@BWFC144can't you put forth a sensible argument, without name calling ?
@@BWFC144"gammony"
And what ought we to call you?!
@@maidmarion2976I wouldn't agree with that.
Most medical staff couldn't care less, they're overpaid and undertrained.
The last time my grandmother was in hospital I had to explain the nurses what diabetes was, and to complain that it wasn't on my grandmother's chart.
She had a hypo, and they had no idea how to respond.
I'm really glad I was visiting her at time, otherwise she'd be dead.
I said she was innocent then, she is still innocent now! Typical Doctors blaming the nurse for their incompetence!
@@enonbusiness8156 and U have proved that how?
And what about her diary and the rest of the ppl who mentioned or highlighted it
@the dreamer the notes in the diary was after the police arrested her....she also said in the notes she was innocent but you seem to have conveniently left that out..
“I am evil I did this,” “I killed them on purpose because I am not good enough to care for them and I am a horrible evil person,” and “hate.”
@@roybatty8366oh you forgot the preceding “they went” a localism for they said
And the the ‘hate’ made nice and bold and black so you can see it
Who she was talking about faded nicely into the background so you don’t notice it
Go back and have another look and see what it actually says
@@roybatty8366 she also said on the same note she was totally innocent but don't let facts get in the way
I have read that medical specialists are very unwilling to work on the defence side in such cases because they have seen others who did this have been ostracised for doing it.
You are absolutely correct.
There is a whole team of experts at the top of their profession who are ready to give evidence
They won't go against the cult of the NHS, which can do no wrong. Once you realise it's a cult, everything falls into place.
Quite. And the world-class experts who have now demolished the prosecution's case got involved only at the request of their peer, Dr Shoo Lee. They would not have been available to Lucy Letby's defence otherwise.
@@maidmarion2976You are right with regards to Lucy Letby's case now - because to their minds it is such an egregious prosecution.
But normally experts would run a mile from acting for the defence in a case like this of "moral outrage".
Remember how shaken baby syndrome convictions were all the rage in the 80s and 90s? The expert who demonstrated there was little to no science behind the syndrome had her career destroyed. The syndrome still has its proponents in the US, I believe, but is rarely raised in the UK.
Edit: Dr Waney Squier was the pathologist re shaken baby syndrome. The BBC has articles on her case.
FREE LUCY NOW!
She must be compensated fi or the damage they created to her!!! The guilty ones must pay, but with prison!!!!!
Free Lucy Letby
Hospital management need to face criminal charges
And that fraudulent "expert" Dewi Evans
@@dougfraser77 Especially that weasel .
@dougfraser77 yes an expert with private limited company...
It’s not the hospital management they tried to stand up for her. They’re in trouble for it right now.
Many of them and have implied that they don’t believe she’s a serial killer and there never was any evidence
As for two doctors (possibly three) and a nurse and then of course the quack that’s where the criminal charges need to be
Dear Lucy, our thoughts are with You ❤
@@Ellia454 my troughs aren’t with her, my thoughts are though.
@JelloTypeR your thoughts are your words, and your words are your behaviour.
And not all the children she killed. When it was a black boy u all called it disgusting. It's her...all of a sudden it's fine
@@Ellia454click on the three dots to the right of your post and correct the spelling (click edit) then you won’t have people pointing it out. Troughs are very different to thoughts. Mistakes happen all the time, don’t have a go when someone points it out. The error is in the key word of your sentence.
@MantleOfElijah-e9y hi, I will let them point on me :-)
Thank you, and have a good Day.
"TEN INCIDENTS WHEN SHE WAS NOT EVEN ON DUTY". Ten out of seventeen. So Letby was on duty for LESS THAN HALF of the incidents. How does that work ?
No Scientist would be satisfied with that probability.
The police should have seen this and chucked it out
The building is apparently nothing like fit to be used as a hospital. Poor hygiene causes diseases, which can cause deaths.
he point is that the other incidents occurred when lots of other nurses were on duty. Why should Letby have far more deaths per shift than anyone else?
This whole thing stinks. I feel really sorry for the families involved.
@@rogerphelps9939 - They’ve stated that Lucy was more experienced and qualified in more areas than most nurses in the ward, which meant she was likely to be present during serious incidents. She also took on extra shifts whenever possible, working more hours than many of her colleagues. According to an article in the Telegraph, Lucy wasn't even on shift when one of the babies she's been convicted of unaliving collapsed. Edit: Im currently reading 'Unmasking Lucy Letby', and she wasnt present for two of the collapses. Babies C and I.
nurses always get blamed for the failures of doctor's, surgeons and management
When Nurses are trained they are told that when they give medications, if a doctor has made a prescribing mistake, then from a legal perspective they should be aware of it and therefore take responsibility for that mistake.
@@terryyakamoto3488
Strange that, when nurses are generally not allowed to prescribe. You are correct of course. But as a retired nurse I always thought that was a strange take, we can't be trusted to prescribe, but should be responsible for Drs prescribing mistakes.
Nurses make plenty of mistakes too.
@@Madonnalitta1 Not as many as doctors.
She had no history of criminality, fake statistics and an NHS with something to lose.
@@djmightyming3329 so because she has no criminal history that's makes it ok .... Explain the NOTE ?
NHS management with pensions to lose*
@@thedreamer3454 Do you know the Full story about the note? because it isn't what you think it is!
@@thedreamer3454 I suspect the note was due to an emotional exercise given to her by her councillor in order to vent. You need to understand she has ZERO in her closet, which is very rare. I'm talking ZERO red flags to serial killer. This would be unlikely.
@@not2longnow Some senior NHS managers should be more worried about losing their liberty than their pensions. Unfortunately, they won't be held accountable for their actions or lack of actions. The same applies to plenty of managers across the public sector.
They've used this poor woman as a scapegoat. It is totally shocking.
I’ll send her round to yours to babysit shall I ??? Before we get too carried away why not wait for any retrial ????
@@chrisstone8560 shut up
Look at what this says about lawyers, judges, doctors, the NHS, prosecutors, the entire panoply of power and rotten amoral behaviour in bass relief. And far from the first time such a thing has paraded its putrid realty before us.
These are professions that are very attractive to psychopaths.
This is typical of UK justice
… and typical of UK doctors
Injustice
Bill Gates' favourite book is called "How to lie with statistics"
Not just reasonable doubt but massive doubt. Letby is innocent.
I think she almost certainly is innocent, and I KNOW that her conviction was unsound at best.
@@holymoley1920 without "almost"
Explain the lack of emotion? The post it notes? The fact that the collapses stopped when she was on holiday for 2 weeks.
@@leesaunders8407 yes .Full manipulation is going to create a public opinion.
@@leesaunders8407 Its litterally explained in the video 3:38, she was only charged with the deaths that happened when she was there, its called selection bias, also you would expect a nurse who is assigned to a ward to be present on that ward
The main issue here is misinterpretation of Mr Lee publications. Pure non understanding mechanics. Poor diagnosis, poor treatment is nothing new in NHS.
It was deliberately misquoted.
FREE LUCY NOW
Right from the start the hospital trust executives showed little concern for the babies, only themselves, as scapegoat got found, what of the other babies that died when Lucy letby wasn't on duty, her defence team failed her tragically, if cps doesn't grant an appeal we'll know why and justice will not appear in this case, I can only despair how Lucy has coped under this situation, and after all, evidence of opinion is hearsay, expert or not as there was no evidence, unfortunately lawyers will get rich either way, good luck to Lucy may true justice be served and give light to her and family
She IS totally innocent
NHS - is a serial killer
And u know that HOW..... U lot make me sick. When it's a white woman u lot will make excuses
Not the NHS in this case - just two doctors
I always felt there was something weird about this case. Her best friends stuck by her and said she would never do this, that was the first alarm bell. Some of them were nurses
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Don't know for sure, but I think some were colleagues who never believed she did this
@@dorothyblair6741 Some are easily deceived especially when they are not expecting it.
Typical of the NHS blame everyone except themselves !.
Yet LL was part of the NHS. Are you not very clever?
These days, you'll find that type of mindset more or less everywhere.
It wasn’t the NHS. It wasn’t the hospital. It wasn’t the management. It was two doctors.
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Well Louise what’s this then,is this not the NHS, Doctors and Nurses terrified that if they voice their opinion they will more than likely be reprimanded by the GMC or worse lose their jobs?. While several reports had been filed since 2015 of a suspicious increase in the number of baby deaths and non-fatal collapses in the hospital, they were ignored or dismissed by the senior management at the hospital. This highlights issues with whistleblowing and patient safety in the NHS, mainly attributed to the power imbalance between staff and senior management.
More than 500 consultants were interviewed for the ‘After Lucy Letby: Silence on the Wards?’ ITV documentary. 71% of these consultants said their careers would be harmed if they raised any patient safety concerns. Reasons for this included bullying accusations, the threat of unfavourable regulator (General Medical Council) referrals, and potentially losing their jobs. Dr Ravi Jayaram, a consultant paediatrician at the Countess of Chester NHS Trust, called for a shift in NHS culture to facilitate greater accountability of staff behaviours. For example, developing a collaborative environment based on patient input and revising the appraisal process for senior NHS managers
It's funny how Times Radio only says Letby innocent after alternative media says so....
Months after. 😂
Lucy Letby is due huge compensation and apologies from several quarters but apologies are also due to many inc. so called "conspiracy nutters." 🤨
And surely the doctors behind this criminal fraud are due to have their collars felt! 🤨
I personally have experienced this … that if you are poor you obey the law , if you are rich you buy the law …in this case it feels that money has bought Lucy to be the scapegoat for rich individuals to avoid accountability…
It sickens me to think that this woman has spent all that time in the pen for someone's total incompetence.
Poor girl 😓❤️
@@davidmorrison87 Lucy will become famous - more importantly go down in History for the injustice done against her - and become a wealthy woman. She is young with a great life ahead of her. Sadly many babies died whether by natural causes to be defined and thanks to the great man - and others for finding the truth. Have a lovely life Lucy.
She has gone through such vilification that no amount of money can ever recompense.
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Of course it was its bent like most of the U.K.
People should look at the Lucy Letby case every time they call for capital punishment to be brought back.
I take it you have never wanted a baby or like them.
@@mozdieloz3826try reading what you are answering to, Lucy letby May well have been dead now if we had capitol punishment , and this new evidence showing she may be innocent would be not help to her
People need to look at rates of reoffending and how much this costs the taxpayer. Significantly more than rope.
Bit different there was always questions about letby but if some one tries to behead a child then death sentence
@@mozdieloz3826stupid comment
God bless for having the heart to look into this❤
I was on Lucy's side from the start, i couldn't even look at the news when Lucy was being charged, my heart goes out to her, i hope she gets justice 🙏🙏🙏
@@carolinethwaites6188 just say it because U care more about her than U care about babies. U have no heart
Scapegoat @@thedreamer3454
@@thedreamer3454 What a terrible thing to say to someone, it's you who are a monster😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😵💫😵💫
@@thedreamer3454 Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, they jailed the wrong person? That doesn't mean any disrespect to the dead babies.
@@thedreamer3454 Lucy is too victim, she was young 20 y.o girl
the whole system is an absolute disgrace, the police and the cps needs serious reform.
Okay, whilst I'm more than happy to hear anyone's view that there may be problems here, I'm not really seeing interviews with people who disagree with these sceptics. All through Brexit and everything, we were given "balance", at the sake of any sense at some points. However, I'm only seeing interviews with sceptics and would like to know from other experts whether, even in spite of all of these supposed issues, there is still certainty that she is guilty. A mistrial or whatever does not mean the person is actually innocent.
Her actions were not compatible with being innocent.
she did it, 100%.
The nation should crowdfund the crème de la crème of the legal defence for Lucy. She was hung out to dry by the prosecution and defence lawyers.
She has an awesome lawyer now
The system put her away. Scapegoat.
The reason she wasn't charged with the other deaths, was because she wasn't there.
Its so sad, that Lucy was accused and blamed and yet perhaps innocent... Its possible that the entire medical unit was to blame for irresponsible care and pinned the blame on her.
Where are all the "we should bring back the death penalty" advocates now
She needs to let out immediately. Been saying this for a year now.
Complete farce, she is innocent. I feel so sorry for her.
Hmm, I think she did it. Not the stats, her strange behaviour.
Phone records were very odd
@@saraadams6447 Yeh, some of the things she said were pretty much caught in the act. The prosecution went for a stats-driven case. The thing is, as someone who has worked with stats for 20 years, you can distort data depending on what model you use to show the data. But even that I think shows that she was heavy for death rates in her short employment there.
@@randomcomputer7248She was never "caught in the act". There are intervening factors that caused both an increase during her period at the hospital and a decrease after she left. (Conditions of patients admitted).
I exchanged some emails with Peter on this case about a year ago. A very intelligent man. Great to see him on screen. He's done some great work and research on this case.
Why did it take the Countess of Chester hospital take weeks to properly investigate the issues? This was so serious, a good workplace you immediately take action to look into this. It seems inappropriate responses to serious situations. Not adhereing to the Acas code of best practices. They need to look at what did the management and consultants do
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Dr. Martin Luther King
It is more important that the British justice system doesn't get embarrassed than an innocent person rotting in jail.
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Lord Denham (look him up) actually said words to that effect many years ago in relation to the Birmingham six/Guildford four
@ The ego, arrogance and pomposity of some of those in the higher echelons of the legal system is off the scale.
Anyone still thinking she's innocent should watch her face from when she'd been taken from her house by police - pure evil face, she knows she's done it
This is so upsetting for all the parents involved and including Lucy.
They all need justice. Locking up an innocent woman at the bottom isn't justice.
The hospital needs a thorough investigation.
This trial did not feel right at the outset. It did feel more like a witch hunt ,than anything logical.
Trial by media , statistics and selective circumstance ? It was not comfortable to watch. It seems they had a target in mind at the outset. Let's see where this goes.
Because u are probably white and don't care about children unless it's a black mental health boy doing it
As the saying goes, there's lies, damned lies and statistics.
Pretty much the opposite of what he's saying. Statistics are essential
It is easy to lie with statistics. It is easier to lie without them.
It’s not really. Its meaning is that it’s essential to know what you’re looking at. It’s so easy to portray events in a certain using statistics.
@@NickKeighley What kind of stats were used in this case?
@@Hrld-25 no idea. Try google
I've studied and read and so much about this case, and yet I'm still uncertain about Lucy's guilt or innocence.
Same! Literally listened to hours and hours of podcasts on this case.
Listen again to shoo lee and the real experts.There is no evidence of guilt
Anyone still think she’s guilty?
plenty of people who do not understand statistics or are easily emotionally manipulated
All the people who said bring back hanging for the Lucy Letby case on here, are all backpedalling now.
Imagine studying to get your dream job as a nurse, just for you to (potentially) not only get wrongly accused of this atrocity, but also convicted of it. If she is found not guilty now. All of her dreams and what she has worked to achieve has been denied her in the cruelest way possible. What will the rest of her life be like. Forever known as the child killer, even if found innocent.
@@larsjespersen6936 she will be offered a new identity. With the financial recompense for false imprisonment etc….i hope she can rebuild her life. May God be with her.
Remember the very sad case of Sally Clark and the "expert witness" Samuel Roy Meadow's mistaken statistics -
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I do remember that. Poor lady ended up killing herself
@@leonardzajdek3516 yes …” Sir Roy Meadows”. Did the courts learn from this? Err it appears not…
I’m on the fence with this case really don’t know
This is similar to the Shaken Baby Syndrome fiasco
And Munchhausen by proxy
And
Medical kidnapping
NHS blame culture blame everyone else except themselves, police need to get back in there and bring the hierarchy to account.she wasn’t even on duty when some of the babies died
Applying statistics in the financial industry, where its track record is as bad as other gambling addicts, shouldn't be a badge of honour.
"The number of deaths may go up or down according to sod knows what"
In the financial world statistics don't provide certainty, they provide a heightened probability of success. Statistics are used because it is better to use them than not to use them. Your argument does not indicate the statistician in the interview is incompetent or cynical.
@charlesgraham5550 financial investment is a form of gambling. Gamblers also use explicit and implicit statistical models. Correct, I am not arguing the chap is incompetent or cynical; I'm arguing that applying statistics in finance and getting a win no more validates the model than it does to a gambler, while highlighting that the success rate of financial models is atrocious - and actually there's no evidence its better than educated guessing (going with gut) but everyone except quants agree with charts being a random walk.
Let her out it’s an NHS cover up this poor woman hasn’t done it
I didn’t follow this case, but I’ve worked with statistics professionally for a decade and I certainly can say that extremely few people truly understand statistics and that unfortunately includes many people who work with them.
54% of people don't understand statistics and the other half can't even spell the word. 🙂
I’d like to know what the defense was thinking because it was a terrible defense. All our system institutions are broken utterly broken.
Unfortunately, you have to pay a lot of money for a decent barrister.
It won't have been the best money can buy, and more than likely was some scrub in the pocket of taxpayers at the mercy of tax masters
Shes innocent.
Shame she kept all those reminders/keepsakes from dead babies and evidenced her own actions in her own diary. Clown thread.
Gigantic compensation coming her way.
But he didn't tell us what was so 'fake' about the statistics used. It's my understanding that the prosecution didn't even use statistical arguments. The roster is a logical argument: if someone was killing the babies then they had to be present at some point, and LL was the only one. Whether they did the 'Texas sharpshooter' fallacy or not is another matter. It's my understanding that LL was present at other baby's deaths, but they weren't included as there was a good explanation for those, so they weren't suspicious.
What's the probability that Lucy Letby is let out of jail, on license, while the justice system, over years, slow walks this to a conclusion.
Why should she be
@@thedreamer3454 When they fit you up for something . . . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@charlessmyth and what proof have U got for that? Stats? Because her diary says different
@@thedreamer3454 A diary that was encouraged by a psychologist as a way for her to cope with her psychological issues.
ZERO!!!