Can Christians fall away once they are saved? R.C. Sproul
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2024
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I am born again for years ,walked in obedience and the spirit for many years and have taken a serious fall shocking that this happened ,deep deep chastisement and repentance so deep so strong almost unbelievable pain and sorrow ,but I am still singing Praises to our king Jesus 🙏🙏
Are you a witness to Him?
@Brotheral-pb1oj pretty sure what he wrote is a witness.
@@user-zt9ll4st1t ?????
We all stumble, brother. The fact that you know you've fallen shows you've got the spirit working in you. The Bible says in 1st John 1:7 'and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin...' Let's continue to abide in him so that when we fall, or stumble, we'll cry unto him for help...we believe he will never forsake us if we come to him for help. If we relax and continue in our sinful ways then we'll grief the Holy Spirit and that will be catastrophic for us.
@yohabi4738 I'm thinking that you think that your comment is a justification for " ignoring " Hebrews chapter 3 verses 12-14!
22:19 “But my confidence rests in the power of Christ to sustain me with His grace and by the power of His intercession for us, that He is going to bring us safely through.” What a Savior and Lord we have! He bought us with His own blood. He is our Good Shepherd. ❤️
What you said does not even make sense.
Amen! Thank you for sharing these excellent biblical teachings of the late Dr. R.C. Sproul.
Actually I was showing the teachings of the Bible. RC sproul teaches whatever John Calvin says. The Bible is my teacher.
@@Brotheral-pb1oj Dr. R.C. Sproul and John Calvin taught from the Bible. Both were biblical. Moreover, the Doctrine of Election and the Doctrine of Predestination are biblical. Romans 8:30-31 Amplified Bible (AMP)
And those whom He predestined, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified [declared free of the guilt of sin]; and those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity]. Furthermore, if you deny these biblical doctrines, you also deny the Sovereignty of God. Clearly, you lack understanding of the Word of God. Apostle Paul also speaks on this. Amen! Praise Christ. 😊 ❤
@rhondae8222 I prefer to lack understanding, than to understand that God Almighty has the nature of a fleshly man, that He would deliberately choose to save a few and deliberately damn the majority. That sounds like something that a fleshly man would do. Do you really want to accuse God Almighty of being that malevolently flippant? Think about it!
@Brotheral-pb1oj if you believe the bible is the inerrant word of God, I too (speaking the truth in lovel) humbly remind you, PREDESTINATION and ELECTION is clearly scriptural. Whether we agree or not on its ethics. Moreover, if we choose some and neglect other bible verses, we will fall prey to deception and Satan's lies.
@stephenwan6415 Predestination and Election are absolutely true. Yet not in the sense that calvinists teach it. I agree with you that we cannot choose some scriptures and ignore others. Another thing: No one verse nullifies another verse. So we have to rightly divide the Word. Let me give you an example. Let's look at 2nd Peter chapter 3 verse 9. It clearly states that it is God's will that non should perish. You can't exegete this verse incorrectly. It is plain and clear. Now let's take a verse that seems to promote determinism before the foundation of the world. ( You can choose whatever verse you like on election and/or predestination.) No matter how much you think that your verse promotes determinate election or predestination, you CANNOT just nullify 2nd Peter chapter 3 verse 9. This verse is just as much the Word of God as your choice of verses on election and predestination. Neither can I nullify your verses. So what should we do. From my side of the aisle I have to weigh the clarity of my scripture as opposed to the clarity of election. Well if my scripture is clear and cannot be interpreted in any other way than what it is clearly saying, being that I cannot nullify your scripture, then I have to use context and narrative to exegete the true meaning of election and predestination scripture is really saying, in a manner that it does not contradict my preference of scripture. And this works vice-versa as well. My point: One verse never nullifies another verse. Context and narrative is important in all exegetions. In short you cannot teach determinate election and predestination without explaining 2nd Peter chapter 3 v 9 and neither can I teach 2nd Peter chapter 3 verse 9 without explaining the true meaning of election and predestination.
I absolutely agree with dear R. C. Sproul, my late sweet brother IN Christ! True regenerated believers ARE preserved by our Loving Savior and CANNOT LOSE THEIR SALVATION! To God alone be the GLORY!!!❤
if you believe that, why don't you sin some and deliberately not ask forgiveness. See what happens when you die?
@@clelladams2326 Because a Truly Born Again Person Will Never deliberately Behave As You Say,Remember What Paul Said In Romans 7:15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.
@@prryblu Bro, Paul wasn't talking about his current life. Read Chapter 8.
But then concerning my challenge, why wouldn't a believer not do that? Is it perhaps because deep inside they know that if they sin and do't repent and receive cleansing as in 1 John 1:9, they will be considered lost and be like Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
So, you nor anyone else that is a Believer really and truly believes that if they deliberately sin and don't repent, that they will still go to heaven.
@@clelladams2326 An un repented Sinner Cannot Go To Heaven
@@prryblu I'm not talking about someone who has never been born again. I'm talking about a Christian who sins and doesn't ask forgiveness. 1 jo 1:9.
Excellent teaching! Thank you for posting this. All praise to our Sovereign God! 🙌 We are kept by the power of His might.
You can’t buy salvation can’t earn it it’s a gift from GOD through his son JESUS and you can’t loose it if you could you would
Wrong. Jesus said if you believed once but fall back into unbelief, your punishment will be worse than if you had never believed in the first place.
You have to accept a gift offered to you in order to benefit from it. What happens when someone offers you a gift and you don't accept it ? What happens when you send it back to the giver ? Are you able to benefit from it when you have it sent back ?
The more that is given the more that will be expected.
So you're "born again" and once saved always saved? So go out and sin, I'm already saved. You're right, you cannot buy your way into heaven, but you surely will be condemned for your actions. So be holy as God is holy. Work for His will to be done, submit your will to His.
You could lose it by living like a dog going back to it's vomit and a washed pig going back to it's mud as the scriptures say in 2nd Peter 2.
@@georgeknell8252right on
1 Corinthians 1:8 he will keep you strong to the end so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
If you walk in the light, as He is in the Light!
Read all scriptures......not just a few!
@@aquillafleetwood4209ty
Praise God!
no one "looses" salvation once if they have truly been a believer. However, you can certainly reject the same salvation (or can you really?). Now I don't know how far you've got to get to where you are absolute in never coming back. I've never been so far away that the Holy Spirit didn't keep drawing me back. How many times can that happen to a believer? I can speak from experience..........I just don't know. Even when I was away from God, I could feel Him perpetually prodding me. I could not escape it.
If you're the repentant sinner and He's the saviour, His death on the cross paid for all your sins. However, no one who keeps on sinning deliberately, meaning you are not sorry for your sins, is one of His sheep.
You can reject your choosing/sanctification/inheritance/kingdom of heaven/God, and not be worthy to enter the kingdom/blotted out. You cant reject your rebirth/calling/justification/gift/OSAS.
I see your point! Yet what you are saying is that the bible is not saying what it is appearing to be saying about departing from the living God. There are more scriptures that clearly state that one can indeed, make void one's salvation. However, I humbly suggest to you that this issue is not the most deadly issue. To be taught that Christ DID NOT die for the sins of ALL humanity is the the HERESY THAT WILL LEAD TO DAMNATION, because this doctrine, nullifies The Grace, Mercy, and Love that God has for ALL. It paints a picture of God that is created from the natural intellect of man and not from the God whose thoughts and ways are HIGHER than ours. This doctrine also hinders the purpose of God calling believers to be witnesses and bear fruits, and to be lights in this world, for the purpose of drawing people to Christ. Matthew chapter 5 verse 16 . I encourage you to consider the implications of the True character of God that this doctrine is promoting. I offer to you that God has no respect of persons. Romans chapter 2 verse 11. And that He desires ALL to be born-again, and not only that, He desires those of us who are saved to be witnesses of His salvation through faith in Christ for the salvation of our souls in the hopes that whosoever will, shall come to Christ by faith for the salvation of their souls that they shall not perish when they leave this world. To reject this is to reject the Gospel of Christ. You actually do have a choice!
Thank you for your reply. If one can make void one's salvation then that is indeed critical. You have to realize that we are tri part as God is, we are spirit (intuition, conscience, and communicator), soul (intellect, emotion, will), body (blood, flesh, bone). All three died in the garden (death means separation) and all three must be redeemed. The spirit at rebirth, the body at the rapture, and the soul either at the judgement seat of Christ or at the end of the Millennium. Read 1 Thes 5.23. The spirit (calling) rebirth is irrevocable per Romans 11.29 and other verses. The soul is our choice by sanctification to pursue or not and the inheritance comes by it per Acts 20.32/26.18. Justification is the first step and one can lose his soul/be blotted out of which you referred to about losing your salvation. Total salvation is acquired when one is serving Christ in a glorified body (flesh and bone animated by the Holy Spirit) in the Millennium for 1K years. This is being chosen and many are called but few are chosen. Scripture is about salvation of the soul per 1 Pt 1.9, Hebrews 10.39, and James 1.21. The kingdom is what Christ is king of and what He taught on Earth to Israel, but they rejected it and Him per Mt 21.43. We are that nation and must produce fruit. This is obscure in scripture because the kingdom isnt taught and must be strived for and nobody wants that/reward plus or minus. God bless.
@@johnhoffman8203 agree .. peace+love>
The only thing that matters are we honoring God with our hearts and not just our lips! Are we seeking to live a life of sacrafice for Gods glory, growing in knowledge of who he is for his glory! If not we must do some soul searching as Paul said! "See if you be in the faith."
In the past I believed that one can lose one salvation but when I read the Gospel of John specifically ch 6, 10 and 17 my opinions changed. Jesus came to do the Father's will. He came to preach repentance, he came to obey the law, he came to heal the blind and sick, he cast out demons, he came to save the elect given to him by the Father and finally he promised he will not lose any of them. One who believes one can lose their salvation forget 1) the relationship we have with God in our walk, 2) that our faith is only maintained by God's grace and 3) that God loves us and will never abandon us. God is all powerful and will never be defeated by anyone not the demons and especially us humans.
Jesus is not defeated when we fall away. We are defeated.
@@tomgarrison5313 the reason you are saved is because of Jesus and our Lord promise he will protect us from the evil one to ensure our salvation. Therefore if a person loses their salvation it means Jesus has not fulfilled his promise. Please I would like to give you some verse if you are open sir?
We can't lose something that is not in our hands.
@@JesusistheonetrueGod Amen we are saved by grace through faith. Faith is the instrument of our salvation but grace is the reason we are saved given to us by God.
@@MrLegionofman Amen brother
Praise God 🙏
Great message...comforting to the soul...❗️
Good word!
There are several verses that warn against falling away. It would be pretty pointless if “falling away” didn’t happen.
Nobody would argue o/wise, but it's in the *DEFINING* of "falling away" that's the issue.
@@Kman. Falling away….. abandoning your faith…. not completing the “ race” as Paul warns. To “ remain” in Him….. to keep the faith…. etc etc. The purpose of our lives is to see who will endure. To see who will be found worthy to reign with Him. Seems 1/3 of the New Testament would be futile if we were all on autopilot. We are not robots. Freewill my friend.
@@GTRalso i agree with you. we don't lose our faith like we lose our keys. There are those who shipwreck their faith.
@@JD-yq3dd These must be read in the context of your comment. It's a sinning that a Christian does (in this case going back to judaism for salvation) on purpose. That's why it impossible to renew them to repentance. This is not 1 John 1:9.
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
A person "loses" their salvation because they no longer believe in Christ's atoning work for their salvation.
Yes, absolutely, apostasy is in the bible, old and new testament, 1) the Exodus jews Moses bought out from Egypt, non crossed over to the promise land bar Joshua and Caleb with the second generation
2) King Saul
3) Solomon's heart turned away from God (in his old age) towards idols of his many foreign wives.
4)Ananuas and Safari his wife held back part of their estate and died where they stood for lying to the Holy Spirit.
However,
the Lord said his sheep hears his voice and follow him and they shall NEVER perish , for no man can take them from his hands.
What of Apostle Paul, who said " he who began a good work in you shall perform it until the day of Jesus Christ "
Falling away and eternal security are parallel truths. Such is the mystery of Godliness. For we all know in part, but all things shall be done away with. When we are children , we think and act as children but when we become adults, we shall put aside our childish ways. Brethren, I trust one day all will be made known to the godly.
*Election and Foreordination*
*“We believe God did foreordain and devise a PLAN from the foundation of the world by which He would SAVE man, and further, He did foreordain from the beginning, all men throughout the ages who would ACCEPT and BE WILLING TO CONFORM to this PLAN, should be SAVED; so that everyone in HARMONY with His power and liberty of choice who shall CHOOSE ETERNAL LIFE through God’s PLAN was foreordained to ETERNAL SALVATION.”*
Not in the Bible. Sorry. That's just Leighton Flowers reasoning.
@@blchamblisscscp8476 Easy to say, but no scriptures from the Bible to prove your empty comment. Maybe you're the "better theologian" than any of us.
*“The Devil is a better theologian than any of us and is a Devil still” - A.W. Tozer (1897-1963).*
Amen!
Coment 114 I don’t remember saying that. SALVATION IS A GIFT. you can’t buy it earn it work for it and if you Repent receive the gift that JESUS gives to all who believe SHALL BE SAVED you can’t loose it if you could you would!!!
■ "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1)
■ "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:" (2 Timothy 2:12)
■ “Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:22)
■ "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6)
■ "But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." (Luke 12:45,46)
■ "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." (1 Corinthians 9:27)
Was the thief on the cross baptized justified go through Mary or go to pergutaty or confess to a priest or take cuminun or have the last rights. JESUS ALONE.
Amen
The Ghost of Hamlet's father, who was murdered, says that he "died in his sins." That was before the Reformation. Any belief that claims that he was locked out of Heaven just because there was no opportunity for Last Rites, does not know the God Who is Love.
AMEN 🙏 🙏 🙏
So 'Faith, Hope and LOVE abide these three, but THE GREATEST of these is LOVE'... 1Cor.13:13
I have a question…the 2 men, whom Jesus said “depart from me for I never knew you”, probably believed that they were true, real followers of Jesus…obviously they were wrong. You probably know what’s coming next, How do you EVER know that you are truly saved in Gods eyes?
You can't truly know if you are saved in God's eyes that is why it is said we are saved by Grace through faith.
There are scripture verses for us to check ourselves: (in no particular order)
*The Spirit himself bear witness with our spirit that we are the children of God
(Romans 8:16-18)
* We know we have crossed over from death unto life, if we love the brethren.
(1 John 3:14-15)
*DO YOU KNOW, in a sense, you are "a wretched sinner, and deep down desire to be delivered from the shackles of sin?
(Romans 7:23-25)
*The fear of the Lord.
(Proverbs 16:6)
*DO you know if God is disciplining you when you stray?
(Psalm119:67-71)
*Are you a new creature in Christ Jesus? Have you changed from the way you once were before Christ came into your heart, or are you the same as before ?
(2 Corinthians 5:17)
*What is your relationship with sin?
(Galatians 5:24)
In other words, today, is your flesh your friend, or is your flesh a foe to you?
(Galatians 5:24)
Just some example verses one can use to check if they are really a saved sinner, child of God
Can you name any early Christian father who believed that once saved always saved? Please cite name and reference.
Is the conversation about what a church father said/DIDN'T say, or is it whether or not the position is grounded in the Word?
@@Kman. Thanks for your question. I am not saying that there were. or not, any clear citations in early Christian times writings showing that the belief in once saved always saved was then a currently held position. Just from a scholarly perspective, I and many others would like to be able to consult such references. It would be a monumental task to scour the writings for such citations. But, surely, there must be indices somewhere that one could consult. It would be a useful team project for students, and faculty, at the two Westminster seminaries to undertake; one could take the Latin and the other the Greek. The first place I would start would be with Migne's Patrologiae cursus completus, which published the Greek and the Latin texts. Fortunately for the students, the complete collection, which runs to maybe 400 folio volumes, is available on the Haithi Trust . There are examples of English translations, in whole or in part, of some of the writings. Other scholarly aids would be those scholarly works, from the 20th century, which reproduce the Latin or Greek, translated into any number of European languages. It would be very interesting to see the results of the investigations. Now, whether a quotation is grounded in the Word is a different and discussion. But first we have to have the citations.
Be born again and study the Bible. Context, context, context. History and theology. Let the Spirit of God illuminate the Word and ask for wisdom and knowledge. Denied yourself and carry your cross. Don’t practice sin. Be righteous and holy as God. We will fail. But God never fails. The triune God has the power to save who He wants saved. Have faith in His Word. And don’t doubt His power. Read the scripture and you will find out that once saved, always saved. If you are a true born again christian you will see that it’s Gods promise to save who he wants to save. I doubted too. But now as a follower of Jesus Christ, I now see in His Word clearly that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit till the day, he returns. And there’s plenty of verses in the Scriptures, but that’s why read the history, and who the authors is speaking to and how can we apply this to ourselves and let’s not take the word out of context we cannot play fast and loose with the text.
Amen well said! He who began a good work in you will finish it!
Our good works are as filthy rages, the Bible makes it quite clear to divide the word of Truth. Essentially, we must strive to be Holy and turn from Sin, However we cannot do this perfectly, and no acts or works will ever aid us into entering the Kingdom. Our acts, and works, motivations are based on if we are TRULY saved, many do not understand this. A good tree will bear good fruit, a bad tree will bear bad fruit. Salvation is a supernatural work of God, Grace is unmerited favor, this cannot be earned.
Many are fakes, God knows who they are just make sure it's not you
If you are Trusting in Jesus Christ ALONE for your Salvation you have been "Sealed unto the Day of Redemption"Eph:4:30, Because True Believers are Trusting in Jesus Alone NO ONE CAN BREAK THAT SEAL-NOT EVEN OURSELF!!!!!!!
Sure David caresh was sealed with a guarantee that he was the second coming no one can break that seal. You’re all like “I’m sealed.”… but nobody else can be. Totally pathetic. Pa thet ic pathetic pathetic,
So Jesus keeps us hostage. Got it.
But you’re not trusting in Jesus alone so you are no sealed
Harold.... and anyone else who believes Ephesians 4:30 says that we cannot lose our Salvation.
Use Rule #1 in interpreting a scripture verse. READ THE VERSES IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE VERSE.
25 Therefore, putting away falsehood, speak the truth, each one to his neighbor, for we are members one of another. 26 Be angry but do not sin; do not let the sun set on your anger,[k] 27 and do not leave room for the devil. 28 The thief must no longer steal, but rather labor, doing honest work[l] with his [own] hands, so that he may have something to share with one in need. 29 No foul language should come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for needed edification, that it may impart grace to those who hear.
30 And do not grieve the holy Spirit of God, with which you were sealed for the day of redemption.[m]
31 All bitterness, fury, anger, shouting, and reviling must be removed from you, along with all malice. 32 [And] be kind to one another, compassionate, forgiving one another as God has forgiven you in Christ.
If you think that we cannot lose our salvation, all these verses before and after verse 30 tell us a list of things that Christians are required to do. Jesus continually calls people to repent. If he is not calling us to repent, or if he is only calling us to repent until we "have faith", then what is he actually saving us from? ONLY eternal damnation? I want to be saved in order to have unity with my Lord now. How do I do that? He tells me - deny myself, take up my cross and follow Him. Learn what love truly is - it is a sacrifice - he gave us the ultimate example. Be like Him. Don't worry about whether or not I am "saved", but just do His will.
Protestanism has focused too much on what "salvation" means and has in turn helped people to lose focus on what is the most important commandment.
@@PatrickSteil by that logic, we could be hostages in heaven, oh no!
Yes, if one is spirit reborn/called/justified per Jn 3.3 then he is preserved and never lost. The issue here is sainthood and the theory that rebirth means sainthood which is not true per Romans 1.7, that those called are to work to become saints per 2 Thes 2.13/14, through salvation of the soul per 1 Pt 1.9, Heb 10.39, and James 1.21. It is the saints that are sealed and never lost as their inheritance is guaranteed per Ephesians chpt 1.. It is preservation of the saints if you are a saint.
Can a believer become an unbeliever? and still be saved? Like in John 6:66 where disciples decided not to walk with Jesus anymore.
Can you be severed from Christ? and fall from grace? and still be saved Gal 5:4
Can you depart from the faith, give heed to deceitful spirits and doctrine of demons and still be saved?
Can I walk in darkness and still be saved? or must I walk in the light? 1 John 1:6-7
Can I be saved and not obey the commandments of the Lord? read 1 John
Can I walk in the flesh and still be saved? fornication, adultery, etc......never ever repent and still be saved? or must I walk in the Spirit? Romans 8
Can I go to heaven and not do the will of the Father? Matt 7:21
We are saved by faith, an obedient faith, not a dead faith and we become children of God by faith when we are baptized into Christ, when we put Christ on, Gal 3:26-27
How do we know, or how can we be assured? 2 Pe 1:10 says the responsibility is on us. I really believe Reformed doctrine falls short here exactly the same way i believe entire sanctification falls short... I've never known one person with a so-called second baptism who is perfect or can be. Now I'm not saying we should just throw in the towel and give up because we can't... the Bible says it is our responsibility to be perfect. We can't do it but we're still called to have the right attitude. Those who decided everything was ok & just gave up on their faith... those people along with the people who never knew Christ are in jeopardy. The blasphemers are already writing me comparing their life to mine but the difference is easy to see if they just weren't under the delusion they are under... partly of their own doing and partly because God promised if they refuse Him He would give them over.
If you could lose your salvation, you would. You arent saved by grace through faith with Jesus being the author and perfector of your faith, then lose it then gain it by works...so youd have grace, lose it, works, lose it, etc. NO WORK could possibly save you.
Faith itself is a work!
1st. Thess. Chapter one!
Get it???
Paul said....lest I too, become a castaway!
John3:18
Side Comment: I wish that these RUclips™ messages required the publisher to state the *_date message was originally given_* . Dr. R.C. Sproul had to severely discipline his own adult son, publicly. Wonder if this happened before/after this message?
Even in the Bible there are several accounts of godly men who children did not follow in their fathers' faith.
I vote YES.
On another note: Who was the idiot who thought it would be a great idea to superimpose Comic Sans captions??
John 10; 11“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. 12But a [b]hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep.
There are plenty of "churches" out there today who are seeing this scattering of the sheep. Standing firm on the Truth of Gospel, I have been run off from churches through the decades, but I still confess Christ And Him crucified for my sins.
I suppose some of the people at these churches made a judgment about my spiritual condition, simply because I'm no longer there. A lot of these places like to beat up on the true sheep of Christ, and then cast judgment upon them when they leave. But we who have been sealed by the Holy Spirit of God hear his voice. Another we will not listen to.
Judas Iscariot was with them for 3 years. None of the others knew he wasn't with them. But he certainly showed his true condition in the end.
Those That Choose Not To Continue To Obey The Lord ⬇️
Joshua 24:15 kjv- And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, (choose) you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
(Free will choice)
2 Chron 15:2 kjv- ....The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.
(Free will choice)
Malachi 3:7 kjv- Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
(Free will choice)
Revelation 3:20 Niv- Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me. (Free will choice)
Matthew 7:21 kjv- Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Free will choice)
Luke 6:46 kjv- And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? (Free will choice)
John 14:15 Amplified- If you really love Me, you will keep and obey My commandments.
(Free will choice)
John 8:31 kjv- Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed in Him, “If ye CONTINUE IN MY WORD, THEN ARE YE MY DISCIPLES INDEED!
(Free will choice)
Amos 3:3 kjv- Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
(Free will choice)
You have a free will choice to continue to walk / live in agreement in YAHWEH'S WORD with obedience. Its our responsibility on earth as Kingdom Citizens of the Most High. That is a better way of saying once saved always saved, because people are leaving out the requirement and no longer teaching the requirement of "Obedience"! 🔥🔥🔥🙏 Shalom.
Saddening to see so many living in fear…illiteracy is rampant
Is it fear?
Wonder how long everlasting and eternal is? 🤔
Just what it says, and it is true of Hell and of that new Paradise Heaven and Earth! It is also true of ALL who will end in Hell, and true of ALL who will end in the new Paradise Heaven and Earth! Christ JESUS of Nazareth said based upon our life and deeds/works, one or the other will be our ETERNAL, EVERLASTING, ETERNITY! We can believe man! Or, we can believe HIM who holds ALL POWER in Heaven and Earth, including our last breath, in HIS Hand! Our body, our choice!
@user-lo4gr9wq2j sorry dude, you CANNOT work your way into heaven.
@@geraldwest3428 Do we not love the way THE TRUTH is summed up in The HOLY GHOST Inspired AKJV Bible, as translated out of the original tongues, at James 2:1-20; so where did that lie come from? Oh, never mind; from those with the mind of those devils who believe AND tremble, knowing based on their works/deeds, they FOREVER forfeited their "Well done!" AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
If you can "lose" you salvation, then you couldn't have been "saved" in the first place. How can you lose your salvation that you didn't earn in the first place. But there are some passages in the bible which give the idea that you can lose your salvation.
A person can't lose what they never had
Hebrews chapter 3 verses 12, 13, and 14.
Thanks for the reference
@@vdmerwejo You're welcome!
Yes that is the correction that scripture tells us that faith is the instrument of our salvation. But the bible also tells us that God will keep us from falling away completely because he promised to protect us. Which is what this text is clearly doing. It is warning us to be faith and not fall away but it is not contrary to the doctrine of perseverance.
@@MrLegionofmanthe protection only comes from following the directions. Putting on the armour of God with the word of God so ye may stand against the wiles of the devil. The devil is anyone who misrepresents God. One cannot see the lie if they do not know the truth. God does his part, we must do our part.
@@markwillhite9200 Yes we do our part but God also does his and he is more powerful than all especially the devil or us. Therefore the idea that one loses ones salvation is contrary to scripture because if what you say is true that men can fall to the lies of the devil then does that mean the devil defeated God? Especially since Jesus promised that all that is given to him shall have eternal life because it is the Fathers will that he lose none.
Paul said....less I too "become" a castaway....!
"Castaway" isn't speaking of a loss of salvation, but rather being put on the shelf & not being used of God.
@@Kman.
...lol...!
Question How to be saved? Dual life The believer must know One decaying other forever physical to Spiritual
Is there a process in salvation? Can someone help me understand Hebrews 9:28 thank you
Was ananias and sapphire saved? Just curious.
So tell me this… How can someone lose their salvation?
yes the bread of life discourse in john 6 shows jesus disciples falling away. if it can happen to people who personally knew him and followed him for years, it can happen to anyone
Define grace!
@@kurtweiand7086 A participation in the life of christ. it is a free gift that god makes to us of his own life, infused by the holy spirit into our soul to heal it fom sin and sanctify it
@@kurtweiand7086Unmerited favor.
Wjm5972 , did you read the full chapter or u stopped at they turned away never to walk with him again. But if you continue reading. Jesus goes on to say no one can come to me unless the father draws him. All that the father gives me, come to me and I will cast none of them out but raise them up on the last day. So who ends up falling away. None
@@frankkhoshaba7648 Well said.
What about King Solomon? At the end of his life, he apostatizes and follows the women's gods.
Sadly Christianity is dying out in the west. Due to a number of factors. 1 The Clergy who should be preaching the Gospel and caring for their flock. 2. Scandals in the Church and other facts.
This is what happens when you hyper focus on your own salvation. It’s not about you.
But how do we know the Lord wrote our name in the book?
Being birn again, having faith I guess
@@cendallitak8140Romans 8:16
For the Spirit himself giveth testimony to our spirit, that we are the sons of God.
When we repent and turn to Christ and get born again, then he puts our name in the book of life.
Signs of the last days before Son of man returns, many will fall away from this faith and take heed of the doctrines of the devil, Which faith are they leaving? Are they in the faith for them to fall away from it, or they are not in the faith but none the less fall away from it?
You cannot fall away if you are a true born-again believer
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6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Amen
Do you have free will?
Of course you can
There are far too many who got born again and were following God, who have fallen away. I know some of them. We have free will. God never takes away our free will choice.
full payment by God holds always, for everyone, so dont let yourself be slaves to people any more (ie dont do sin through being under law). gospel is not about law, its the opposite of law. dont judge.
Let’s not forget Revelation ch3 v5
There is a big ‘if,’ here!
JESUS himself is talking about people who’s names ARE ALREADY IN The Book Of The Living: the saved!
If you could lose your Salvation,you would lose it every day,
Of course they can and do. Many eventually figure out the real truth and it isn't the gospel.
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6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Yes sir , IF a person is saved and loses salvation, Jesus would have to purchase their salvation again on the cross , and I don't think that's going to happen,
The question should not be: can a man lose his salvation? The question must be: can a man be still saved if he continue on sinning?
~• Don't be deceived, we should pay attention and take seriously the warning about the righteous that turns back to being wicked, given to the house of Israel in Ezekiel chapter 18, verses 24 to 26, which say, "But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die."
We will perish if we keep on sinning. We can't fool God. Rather, let's serve God by obeying His ways and remaining faithful until the end even through hardships and trials. May your eyes see, may your ears hear. Amen.
So let me guess, you are perfect and not sinning anymore?
By God's grace, I strive to keep the verses in 1 Peter 4:1-2
"Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God."
Rather than fulfilling the temptation which bring forth sin that leads to death.
@@juancarlostalamisan2942 "Striving to keep" is subjective, & it *ALSO* equates to s/thing *YOU* do/don't do.
No one is saved until after death.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. Ezek 18:21-24 (KJV)
9 Wherefore we LABOUR, that, whether present or absent, we may be ACCEPTED of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
not for the purpose of boasting
12 For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart. 2 Cor 5:9-12 (KJV)
Amen
"pastors" sometimes use the "..but they were not of us" after they bully a believer out of their congregation. The "us" John is referring to is the Apostolic doctrine once for all given to the saints - it refers to supposed churches not being part of the True Church.
Didn't R.C. Sproul use the same verse: "but they were not of us?" Do you believe the theologian was incorrect on this area?
Are you sure you are Saved..?
What is the evidence..?
Jesus said except a man be born of Water and of Spirit he can not enter into the kingdom of God
What is born of Water and Spirit...?
If the Bible tells me to be careful lest i fall away from the faith then I'll believe the Bible than any theologian. Salvation is not a matter of theology.
The parable of the soils, what does it mean then? We're the first 3 soils (hearts) ever truly saved? No. The 4th soil was. So the shallow soil according to you would be a believer...then falls away but the point is it never truly was saved...so what looks like falling away is simply "they went out from us because they truly were not of us".
@@MikeC-my4lf The parable of the sower doesn't say the farmer deliberately cast the seeds on the roadside or on rocky soil or on thick forest or on good soil. It says 'some seeds fell..' The seeds fell on their own, it wasn't a deliberate act by the farmer. The farmer never intended that some of the seeds would become useless, the seeds decided to fall off. It's a matter of choice, salvation, you go for it or you don't. Christ is there to welcome you in. You got to take a step of faith, repent, confess accept Jesus Christ and change to be saved
@yohabi4738 the soils are the human heart, the seeds are the word of God and what happened is merely showing the outcome of people's reaction to the Gospel. From basically 'could care less' to genuine salvation. You will have some that happily receive it, grow up quickly (go to church, serve, etc) but "fall away" but the point is they were never really saved anyway.
@yohabi4738 one final thing...I don't care what the Scripture means to you...what does Romans 3.10-16 mean if you were never born? According to that passage, how many seek for Christ? Also, Paul wrote it...tell me about his conversion...was he actively seeking Christ when he was saved or did God change Paul's heart? Because Paul did not make an intelligent decision for Christ, God made it happen.
This is what the Bible says, but you are not believing the Bible, 😂ironic huh
Per my own understanding based on this teaching by RC Sproul, a person who back slide and turn back away from the faith, there is still enough grace God has provided for him to return back to the fold. But the person has to do his own action and decision of going back to the fold because God has given us free will to make choices and consequences of our decisions.
sorry that you don't understand what happens to a person that God saves. Your "free will" had nothing to do with God saving you---just like your free will had nothing to do with your human birth.
@@bobwood5146 I beg to disagree. God cannot force Himself to any person for salvation. He made a way through the death of Jesus on the cross but still it’s up to us to receive it or not. Try to look at John 3:16, God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOSOEVER believes in Him…….. God has given us a choice and it’s up to us to respond. Read Rev. 3:20, Jesus knocking on the door, if any man hear my voice and open the door …… Again, your free will or your choice will decide. Your analogy of free will and your human birth is irrelevant.
My situation may be unique, BUT... I was saved while in the process of being electrocuted while working in a high voltage substation. I literally HEARD the voice of my SHEPHERD TELL me that I was saved. I FELT the warm oil of the HOLY SPIRIT slowly wash over me from head to toe. Then I FELT JESUS literally GRAB MY WRIST and PULL my arm away, breaking the circuit that had paralyzed me so that I COULDN'T escape on my own!! Even though I didn't have the Bible at that time, HIS SPIRIT taught me things and changed me from the inside out. I wasn't even aware until people started asking me why was I suddenly so different?? Years later, I was rewiring a factory complex and the manager kept asking me to go to his Church. Finally I accepted. It was Calvary Chapel Philadelphia. There, I discovered the Scriptures (if you know anything about Calvary, it's ALL about the Scriptures!! 😃). I was blown away that I was reading the very same truths that the Holy Spirit had told me years ago!! 😳 As I got deeper and deeper into the Scriptures, the Spirit taught me more and more. HE, through me, led a very successful home fellowship. HE even miraculously brought me to Israel, where I had a vision of the end times while overlooking the plain of Megiddo. I now understood how GOD'S Spirit gave HIS word to man. Also, I understood the process of being "taken away by the Spirit"... this vision was not like a dream... I WAS in another place!! In fact, before I SAW anything, I SMELLED and HEARD it first!!! All while at the same time looking around me at the other people totally oblivious to what was going on. I kept trying to say "LOOK!! DON'T YOU SEE THAT COMING!! CAN'T YOU HEAR??" but my lips could not move. That's when I realized what was happening. Am I writing this 🤔 to say how great I am? ABSOLUTELY NOT!! I'm writing this to say that even though I was a Born Again, Spirit filled Believer whom GOD was using in powerful ways (which was basically the whole decade of the 1990's) I fell. Hard. My Marriage broke up, I lost my business, I was in trouble with the IRS and I began following after my flesh. I became addicted to it, actually. I was an adulterer of the first degree!! I WAS kicked out of Calvary Chapel. Even though I was mad about it, I knew that they were right. But it didn't change my hard headed mind!! No, I was loving my new lifestyle!! Long story short, I remarried. A relationship that was adulterous and lustful at the beginning blossomed into real Love. She was a wonderful woman that was strong on the outside, but tormented and beaten up on the inside. She was even strongly contemplating suicide when I met her. I showed her unconditional, unfailing, supportive Love. She would tell me that NO one ever loved her like that, not even her parents! I would tell her that it was only because GOD loved me that I was even able to love her like that. However, I was still a VERY carnal Christian!! It wasn't until GOD suddenly took her away from me that I broke and realized how far I had fallen. I watched her die and the grief was overwhelming. I don't even remember leaving the hospital, or how I managed to get home. I was literally in shock!! For two years, I cried most every day, heartbroken in my grief!!! Ohhhh, how I looooved her!!! BUT GOD... my favorite words!! HE called me back to HIM. HE picked me up off the ground, cleansed me and restored me!! Then HE offered me HIS Hand to walk with HIM on the path that HE has ordained. I was apostate for about 23 years... I'm certain that many, many people that I had known THOUGHT that I had lost my Salvation, BUT GOD wouldn't let that happen!! I am happy to say that I have returned to my First Love... and I'm happily walking that path with HIM. Older, but wiser... wise enough to always be near to HIM, wise enough to KNOW that there is NO other way!! Always remember, with man, things are impossible, but WITH GOD ALLLLL things are possible!! Leave the judgement to HIM!! Pray and CARE for one another!! If someone has fallen away, be open to them. Pray EARNESTLY for them, even if it takes YEARS!! 🙏
How is the opening with a long winded repeat of what a man had to say not a red flag this is going to be a trainwreck?
Saved from what exactly- don’t understand
Are you serious? Or joking? Saved from eternal damnation in Hell
I'm 63 have less than 4yrs of marriages if he
Wants me married
I think it well be funny 😂❤
Anyone can reject the truth and those who reject the truth will be cut off from the life of Christ.
The Spirit of Truth is revealing truth to whoever will accept it. But Spirit of Truth is gentle and doesnt force the truth on anyone and those who reject the truth accept a lie.
Those who accept a lie can only accept more lies which causes them to have bizarre beliefs which makes them end up living a life that is contrary to the teachings of Christ.
So if Jesus forgave Peter, what about Judas Iscariot? Is Judas saved?
Judas was not saved because Jesus never prayed for him. He was the son of perdition prophesied to betray Jesus. He grieved over his sin, but was never repentant. Instead of going to Christ for forgiveness, he administered punishment to himself.
No
incorruptible seed means incorruptible (righteousness), like saved means saved ,osas .. peace+love>
My fear is that I am no better than Judas, as had as saying that may be.
If you believe Jesus is who he says he is you are already ,,better'' than Judas. Matthew 16:14-17 implies knowing that Jesus is the son of god and the second person of the trinity comes directly from the Father. Judas never believed.
You would really steal money, and betray the son of God to murderers?
We are wicked people for sure, however everyday we have to keep fighting to live for HiM
However if he we have received salvation and let us live as if we have let us be a light to the world, stop all the denominational arguing about nonsensical matters live each day as if Christ is coming back
God will not leave you, but you can leave God. Adultry is a man leaving God or a wife leaving her husband. Without biblical grounds.
AT NO PLACE IN THE BIBLE can one find "Once saved always saved;" however, in at least seven places, THE SPIRIT makes more than plain that IF, IF, IF, we ENDURE IN CHRIST JESUS of Nazareth, UNTIL OUR END, then we shall be saved! Where is all the adding to, which GOD ALMIGHTY hates, coming from, especially in these last of the last days? As GOD ALMIGHTY has said, we MUST endure in this race in HOLINESS, in RIGHTEOUSNESS, being PERFECT, as HE, until our end, then win! We can believe man, or HIM who holds ALL POWER, including our last breath, in HIS Hand! More-and-more, I understand why HE had to shorten the days! More-and-more, I understand why the RIGHTEOUS shall SCARCELY be saved! That "Once saved always saved" lie has SURELY caused that growing increase in the mockery being made of GRACE through faith in Christ JESUS of Nazareth, and that growing number of "Depart from me" castaways! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
This is the complete opposite of what the Catholic church teaches, that you can lose your justification but be restored by its sacrament of penance and system of indulgences whereby you have to do good works in order to regain your justification. And when those are done, God has to accept you back. Salvation by faith, yes, but plus good works which goes against Ephesians 2:8,9 which states: "NOT by works in case anyone should boast."
True
Catholic church makes no sense to me. Lets exclude the fact that its not biblical. How do they see the sacrifice of Jesus the only sinless ,,person''. Galatians 2:21 ,,
I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”. I am afraid some of those Catholics might hear the verse haven't we done this this and that and this in your name....
Catholicism is a false teaching of a lot of things. Some things are correct, but Catholicism has a lot of idol things, symbols, praying to the dead, you should never do these things
if Calvinism is true, then babies go to hell. because if you are chosen by grace, then you can not be chosen. unfortunately, calvinism still permeates christianity as truth.
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This Sermon is titled "Do Christians Have to Sin?"
If we could lose our salvation, the work CHRIST did on the cross is pointless along with the sanctification of the Holy Spirit... think about it folks
If God decide to save some and some not ,then he make acception,then he is not impartial,if he is not impartial,he's not just and if he is not just he can't be God ,but thanks God I know men , scribes,teachers are wrong in this approach,no matter what they teach ,I know God's will is that " all " be save and come to the knowledge of truth ,so if Gods might can't perform to the level of his will ,then he is not God and he can't be trusted.but I know men are wrong ,not God
@@felixntui4729 ETERNAL SECURITY is BIBLICAL
Then according to Calvin, the meaning of repent (Metanoia) = A change of mind totally is incorrect, what is the point of saying you need to change your mind which represents a free choice from unbelief to belief but according to point one of Calvinism total depravity that than nullifies what Jesus and John the Baptist was asking us to do, so than this makes Calvinism not make sense. What about Adam and Eve God clearly gave them a free choice if God (and he knew already) they were going to fall than did he already predestined them to go to Hell before they fell OR did God choose them to be saved and the rest of Mankind to choose who will go to heaven or hell???, I am really doing my head in just trying to think about this which would say to me Calvin was preaching heresy...Free Grace of Jesus Christ is indeed free and simple!
“For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day”. John 6:40
@Robbie-vu6pl Good comment! Genesis 6:6 debunks Calvinism's false teaching that He "predestined" everything including the fall of man, sin, and evil. Calvinists also believe that God created man and then INTENTIONALLY predestined his fall and predestined sin and evil. If that is true, then it makes no logical sense for God to feel regret and be deeply troubled afterwards. Hence, the errant belief that God predestined the fall of man is debunked and blown out of the water.
Genesis 6:6 - The Lord REGRETTED that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was DEEPLY TROUBLED.
If YOU create something and then intentionally engineer it for FAILURE, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE FEELING REGRET AND BE TROUBLED AFTERWARDS. If you deliberately and intentionally create a passenger airliner where it will explode in mid air killing hundreds of passengers, then you would not be feeling regret and be troubled afterwards. I mean after all, you created it to explode, why would you feel regret and be troubled afterwards?
Calvinism's wicked teaching that God predestined man's fall, sin, and evil is based upon a perverted understanding of such passages like Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6. However, the context of those passages is clearly explained by many passages in the book of Jeremiah and other Old Testament books. The passages in those books explain that God brings evil, disaster, and calamity upon nations and people when they are living in disobedience, unfaithfulness, and wickedness. God brings those things upon nations and individuals as punishment and as a wake up call. These passages include Jeremiah 16:10-12, Jeremiah 5:19, 2 Chronicles 7:21-22, 1 Kings 9:8-9, etc.
Calvinism's demonic teaching makes God the author of sin and evil and in essence exonerates Satan and man. There is double talk and contradiction in Calvinism regarding whether or not God is the author of sin and evil. Calvinism's wicked teaching is a direct attack on the true nature and character of God. God's foreknowledge of the Inquisition, the Holocaust, Pearl Harbor, Dec 7, 1941, the Rape of Nanking 1937, and the 9/11 Terrorist attacks does NOT equal to God intentionally and deliberately making those atrocities happen. Those atrocities happened due to the innate evil and wickedness of men's hearts.
James 1:13-14 - When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” FOR GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED BY EVIL, NOR DOES HE TEMPT ANYONE; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away BY THEIR OWN EVIL DESIRE and enticed.
Jeremiah 7:30-31 - “‘The people of Judah have DONE EVIL in my eyes, declares the Lord. They have set up their detestable idols in the house that bears my Name and have defiled it. They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire-SOMETHING I DID NOT COMMAND, NOR DID IT ENTER MY MIND.
Jeremiah 19:5 - They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-SOMETHING I DID NOT COMMAND OR MENTION, NOR DID IT ENTER MY MIND.
Jeremiah 32:35 - They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I NEVER COMMANDED -NOR DID IT ENTER MY MIND-that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin. The Bible teaches John 3:16, NOT "John Calvin 3:16".
Hope this helps, God bless!
@@wtom04 Brilliant thanks! God Bless
@bobbyadkins.... Would be advisable for you to just believe what Jesus promised in John 10:28 and not try to figure it out by your faulty reasoning.
Want to know the truth. Read the Bible for yourself and you will find out that the answer is yes. That's why we're warned in the Bible, in order to help us from doing so. Those who don't believe we can fall away, don't believe the warnings of the Bible and don't take heed to them.
Peace! 🙏😊🙏
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27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
Bobby:
How do you define "fall away"!
@@eric_sandstrom To "fall away" = to have salvation at one point in time and then not have salvation at a point later in time.
They were never saved to begin with. Self deceived.@@feargodandlive8352
I read the Bible. And the answer is an emphatic NO!!!!!
OSAS is the answer!
YES. They know the Truth, but turn their back on Jesus. Too bad kid; you lose.
Can’t be cut off unless grafted in first.So it’s believers who are cut off not unbelievers. The dycotemy presented here is false
Interesting how these speakers always side-step the answers given by Jesus himself. In the parable of the Prodigal Son, the elder brother, of his own free will, refused to join the party. Nobody came out to drag him in. In the Narnia Chronicles, the girl Susan lost interest when she became a teenager. Very normal, you might think? When the other 3 went to Heaven, Susan was absent.
It never was about reformed theology. It never was about those people back then. None of y'all can even prove that any of them ever spoke for God at all.
Calvanism twist and turns.
The phrase “word salad” comes to mind!
The Bible does not teach a formula of discovery so that an individual may have confidence that they are saved. The Bible teaches that we are saved by Faith alone and anyone who teaches that any person instead can know their salvation is assured is lying from a heart of pride. Saying that you know you are saved is the same as claiming that, by the power of your own intellect, you are responsible for your own salvation. People, a Christian is called to perfect their Faith through the most intimate of relationships with the Father. There is no secret formula or steps of logic and reasoning to be found by the intellect that circumvents the Creators prerequisite. If a person can know, then trust/faith becomes redundant. Don't be fooled by theologians who have claimed there is a way to know. As humans, we seek assurance to avoid faith. The reality is that no assurance of anything is given in this life - every single human who ever lived, Christian and non Christian, can testify to that.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Quoting scripture is fantastic, can you please explain where this 'knowledge' comes from. That is; believing something is to be convinced/satisfied in ones own mind, it does not mean knowing. If one were to 'know', where does faith fit in? If one 'knows', what is the purpose of developing faith and to what end does one develop faith?
Salvation belongs to God for His elect whom He foreknew.
It's God Himself who planned for their salvation and He Himself will accomplish it.
He planned the salvation and will accomplish it through Jesus Christ whom He prepared in advance for the sons of the promise.
It was sin "Satan" who made them lost but Jesus Christ came for them.
God forgives their sin for His own sake (Isaiah 43:25), to gain glory/praise.
God does not need their works to have them saved but only faith in Jesus Christ (Rom.4:1-8;9:16,30-33;11:5-6)
First of all we are also warned in the scriptures to avoid foolish questions and genealogies. Secondly, if anyone would truly be honest they would admit that there is no way we can absolutely know the answer to this question. I have received Jesus Christ by faith through the cross of Calvary by the blood that Jesus shed on the cross for remission of sins, we are all regardless still sinners who live in a sinful world, we must constantly confess our sins and repent of our sins it is a lifelong daily journey, what we should all do if we are going to name the name of Christ if we are going to be followers of Christ,
That would depend on what is meant by "fall away"?
A person who says “I believe” but doesn’t believe in will fall away. A person who actually does believe savingly will hear and respond to the warnings in Scripture because the word of God is how God keeps Christians on the path and preserves them.
@@DylanGalvinMusic the bottom line is if somebody has been born of the spirit as John 3:8 makes clear is a work of God. A Christian cannot fall away. The bottom line is even though I hate to be cliché the bottom line is once saved always saved. Once you are born again as John 3:3 & John 3:7 is printed
you can never go to hell that is the bottom line.
@@eric_sandstromyes, exactly. Thats my point. Those who think they are keeping their salvation are mistaken. It is something the unchanging God gives.
TULIP is a flower. OSAS is a false doctrine that will send one to Hell.
Sadly, you are wrong, u need to study the Word of God
When a person comes to faith, they've "PASSED from death unto life", *John 5:24*
There's no "PASSING" back, any more than the rich man or Lazarus could have passed...
"...that they which would pass from hence to you *CANNOT;* neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence." *Luke 16:26*
"Fast, repent and pray"...yes. If you keep sinning and don't repent, you will feel less and less guilt about sinning until you no longer feel any guilt. When this hapoens, you have lost your SALVATION. God didn't take your SALVATION, you walked away from it.
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils"~ Apostle Paul 1Timothy 4:1
What is an example of a "seducing spirit and doctrine of devils"?
It's the false teaching of ONCE Saved Always Saved (OSAS).
Sure they can. Otherwise the Holy Ghost wouldn't tell believers to hold fast. And many other exhortations to not turn back. Men's ideas or thoughts do not trump the plain word of God. Just 1 here. Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Believers need to keep their garments white and clean. 1 John 1:9
You realize what you said is impossible, yes? No human other than the God man did.
No. But maybe you should explain your point more.
Jesus never sinned.
@clellaadams Jesus "kept His garments clean"...meaning He never sinned...every other human being, including His mother in the flesh, sinned...and EVERYONE sins 24/7. Impossible not to.
@@MikeC-my4lf Christians don't sin 24/7. up to "everyone sins 24/7" i agree with you. If you are sinning all the time you need to get saved. The Holy Ghost will help you live right. He is the sanctifier. As is the Word.
You may have bought a discounted Bible or something.
@clelladams2326 when Christ was asked "which is the greatest Commandment" He didn't answer with 1, but 2: love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and the second is love your neighbor (and a neighbor is any human other than yourself) as much as you love yourself. God has 1 system of meadure, 1 standard, His standard. So if you had an old fashioned scale and put God's love in the of Father, Son and Spirit amongst themselves on 1 side and your love of them on the other, you fail. You must love God to His standard...perfectly, consciously and constantly AND love every human as much as you love yourself...again, it's compared to God's love, not your estimation. You fail. 1 sin is enough for hell. ALL mankind fell into sin because of the original sin...Adam took a bite of a piece of fruit he wasn't supposed to. That 1 act of disobedience, taking a bite was SO BAD that ALL humanity was cursed. So...if you think you keep the standard of God, A) you are completely prideful and fail anyway and B) you wouldn't need Christ because you'd be perfect and you're not
Our bodies as believer is The temple of The living God
Many Christians were taken and to hell by jesus, and they would ask who is this person and Jesus said they once knew me, in other words they were saved they knew me but they decided to go down another road, the wide road.. once saved always saved is a tradition of men thought of buy a Protestant man it's not in the holy book, quit listening to Protestant men they have over 70,000 different denominations in many different interpretations so which one are you going to follow, I follow the ancient Church Jesus, and his first Christian church..
Read 2Peter chapter 2 - all of it! Sorry my dear Baptist or Calvinist friends but no it is not guaranteed if one chooses to walk away
I'm not Calvinistic, but what are you basing that on? Didn't Paul say to a WORLDLY church, that we *ALLLLLLLLL* will be changed?
So you believe in free will. Tell me something...what to you qualifies as something that qualifies as losing salvation? I mean is there something specific or sin in general?
Salvation is wholeheartedly guaranteed,
If your Salvation is a free gift of grace and only grace through faith in Christ, and my if is a first class conditional meaning "since"...and given if anyone can lose their salvation, they will... because EVERYONE sins 24/7...you could never earn it back because that's works based salvation.
@@Kman. You are talking about the verse most commonly said in a church nursery "we will not all sleep but we will all be changed'. ,1 Cor 15.51. Paul was talking to believers. However, if you want to take the "all" in your hermeneutics as the entire planet, unsaved and saved... because there are 2 possibilities for the all: believers only or everyone. If it is the second option then we must use other Scripture to see the outcomes. The passage was speaking about death/afterlife, so believers will be changed into a body without sin to be able to fully enjoy the paradise without the capability to ever sin again and enjoy the Lord. The non believers will be changed into a body that can be tortured eternally in hell... specially fitted to take extreme punishment without ever the possibility of fading out nor any possibility of salvation
I figured out that Jesus saved everyone.
Romans 5:18-20 says that Jesus's work on the cross nullifies Adam's curse.
Adam sold everyone into slavery but Jesus's work on the cross is so much more than Adam's evil act.
The more sin there is the more grace abounds.
You Christians think you are good because you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, but you're not good at all.
Which of you is doing any good works?
You accept Jesus's work on the cross but the Bible says everyone is going to bow the knee and confess Christ as Lord.
The Bible says everyone will make an allegiance to God.
God will not deny who He is just because you sin.
God is so much bigger than that.
He will NEVER remember your sins.
If you do not repent and forsake sin, God cannot and will not save you. There is an accounting. Universalism is a lie, and all who believe such fallacy will land in hell on judgment day.
Don't allow a misunderstanding of that verse you quoted cost you your salvation. You still need Jesus. That verse is not what you think it is
Would you explain how revelation 21:8 lines up with your thought process. If the word of God is true, it will be true throughout. What you said doesn’t line up.
1. A true Christian is never gonna think they are good
2. The Cross was for all sin past, present, future.
3. Not everyone will accept Christ as there Lord and personal savior
Reformed theology teaches that God chose from the beginning who was going to heaven and who was going to hell! It teaches that God ordained everything that ever happened on this earth bad or good.
It teaches that man lost free will at the fall of Adam.
All false teachings!
God is not in the respect of persons
If man lost it free will and the fall of Adam then please explain to me how God told Cain sin dwells at your door! You rule The scene or the sin will rule you and Cain went out and killed Abel! That's in the book of Genesis after the fall! Have a great day
But most of all if God chose from the beginning who was going to heaven and who was going to hell then he didn't need to send his son to die on the cross! It was totally uncalled for! Reform theology is totally bogus
David was done. Davids prayers were no longer answered. Psalms. God hears the prayers of the righteous but is far from the wicked. Proverbs.
Judas fall away from Grace
He never WAS a Christian, so no...he didn't "fall" from grace.
I think what Sproul seems to miss is that if God perseveres for us then there is no perseverance. Jesus should have said “those who I persevere for to the end shall be saved”
If “once saved always saved” was true, Satan would never have fallen nor would Adam or Eve because all three started out in perfect relationship with God which is the end game of salvation. And yet, all three turned away from their inheritance.
I believe you have something out of context on the situation