Giant Swords Are Effective And Dangerous (Even Plastic Ones)
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It should be made a rule that anyone that resets the injury counter has to wear a pink hello kitty plaster/band aid for the rest of the video.
I second this rule
Third!
This is good.
yes
I feel like Jason would get cut more often just to spite this rule.
While it's certainly heavier than the typical sword, it's important to remember that it's "just" 5-7 pounds heavy. Once on a castle tour, the guide was telling everyone how these were 30 pound weapons. I knew that was wrong and tried to explain to my friends who were there with me but they didn't believe me.
Many people who never held a sword believe that a regular longsword should weigh 6 pounds, instead of the 3 pounds it really is.
30 pounds? That guide was either talking out his ass or they were some lead replicas or something.
Well, he might be wrong, if it was about the normal weapons, but keep in mind, that there were ceremony swords, that were indeed way heavier and/or longer than any sword for fighting, because those were never meant to be used for actual fighting. Maybe not 30 pound/~14kg heavy, but still way to heavy, to be used in battle.
@@Suthriel Bearing / Offering Swords were fairly common in both Europe and Asia and were used in ceremonies, as symbols of office, institutional symbols or votive offerings, though their size and therefore weight varied widely.
They can be most easily recognized by their odd proportions, as they are usually supersized versions of regular weapons, so bearing swords modeled after one handed arming swords would be of similar size to greatswords but with oddly sized parts.
A weight of 30 pounds wouldn´t be to extreme, they ranged all the way from 1.5 up to 4 meters in length, weighing in at up to 40 kilos, though the largest and heaviest examples wouldn´t be carried around and instead displayed as monuments.
Most of them would not be useful as weapons of war, they were rather used as displays of wealth, power or exceptional craftsmanship.
@@DeagleGamesTV uninformed people reinforce dumb beliefs in other uninformed people. It's also the old media, older editions of dnd, videogames with weight management mechanics (they basically make weapons heavy to force you to manage your inventory even though 100 lb of swords would be 70, not 6). A lot of those castle guides and shrine guides also tell you ceremonial incredibly overweight weapons were used in battles, which is also wrong. Montantes were usually the biggest war swords, none of the 2+m katanas were ever in battle...
I think the issue is that the you say "x pounds" people think of the weight in dumbbell proportions, or other objects where the weight is centered directly in the hand. Swords are obviously different, and fun things like leverage and physics start playing with how much force you have to exert, creating the illusion of more weight.
It's really eye opening to see this class of sword framed as essentially an area denial weapon. I've noticed longsword demos tend to focus on "defense through offense," teaching how to attack through or around an opponent's attack while keeping yourself safe in one smooth motion. Meanwhile this style has more of a mindset of, "Yeah, if you know what you're doing and commit to your attack it won't be that hard to get through my guard, but will you be able to do that without getting lethally wounded in the process?" and letting human psychology do the rest.
And especially worth noting the time and place of those different weapons: greatswords were really in use around the 16-17th centuries, while longswords belong more to the high medieval era around 1100-1400ish. They seem so similar at a glance, but their contexts were so radically different, it's amazing!
People often underestimate how powerful psychological intimidation is. The Greatsword is effectively another polearm, and when used in full plate armor, is easily overwhelming even in singles.
I love how Cory is still wearing his signature apron
He's contractually obligated to wear it at all times.
It's armor at this point with all the bullshit they put him through.
And he didn't reset the injury counter.
They should probably get him a chain-and-kevlar one...
I think at this point we need to consider the very real possibility that he just doesn't know how to take it off.
I’m kind of surprised that neither Jason nor Corey devolved their style to just spinning like a top with the blade straight out.
Brian totally would have done that though
@@anarkizt 100%
Funny enough, I have a sword big enough to where that's pretty much my only option for wielding it. It's about 6 and a half feet long and 8 and a half pounds. It's basically impossible for me to get a vertical strike out of it, so I just turn it into a rotor blade. (I don't spin myself around -- I switch edges when the sword is beside me so my arms can generate continuous rotation)
I've had friends with longswords declare that they would have zero confidence in blocking/parrying a blow from it. Montantes are brutal weapons.
I thought about it but I get to dizzy
@@cranfill that’s fair. After seeing Jason reset the injury counter on one of those practice swords, I’d hate to see the kind of damage that could be done if you get dizzy and lose track of how close you are to other people. That would likely be bad.
In german Zweihänders are also sometimes called Gassenhauer (translates roughly to alley hewer) referring to their ability to hold chokepoints or to clear paths. Interestingly the word Gassenhauer also refers to songs, either one everybody knows or one with rude content, presumably because Landsknechts were singing these kinds of songs to hold their swinging rythm, or because they carried them through the lands like their weaponry.
Ive yet to see Primary sources referring to them as Gassenhauer. Theyre almost exclusively called Schlachtschwerter (battle swords/slaugther swords) in the Lists of Arsenals or Fencing masters + Soldiers. The Gassenhauer can apparently also refer to a bad person. There is however a treatise from Vienna anonymous that refers to certain cut combination as Gassenhau or alley strike. One other fencing manual refers to the alley stroke, being a slightly different combination.
So Schlachtschwert is the name to go all the other terms seem to be more modern and invented in the 19-20 th century( one term was debated but still not clear).
that's one hell of a carryon sentence
The scary thing about Spadone is when the person using the weapon is throwing rising cuts and then flows seamlessly into false edge rising cuts into horizontal cuts and starts chaining together horizontal false edge and true edge cuts to hold the width of a lane. You'd be turned into so much mince meat in seconds.
Corey picked that up quickly, and Jason with a foam sword is relentless lol. Good fight gentlemen!
Corey being competent at stuff should be the least surprising thing in the world.
They had to leave Brian out of it or the injury counter would've been a death counter
I'll be real I've not watched as much lately, so I definitely had a moment of thinking the guy on the left was just brian after a few bad months...
I was wondering what happened to Brian. Knew Corey wasn't him from the moment he spoke, so I was starting to fear some bad shit happened to or involving Brian
In The Stormlight Archive, there's these things called Shardblades - basically massive magic swords that can cut through anything like butter. There's descriptions of techniques, and they all have a big emphasis on momentum - basically being as fluid as possible and never stopping. This reminds me of that.
It reminds you of that, because that fiction is most certainly based on the actual fighting techniques. This is the actual techniques.
@@MagnokTheMighty Exactly
Man, Sanderson really dug deep for that fucking name, huh?
@@gigajule5000 he actually subverts that later when you figure out what they're shards OF. Its actually pretty cool, I had similar thoughts initially. Also if we're being SUPER fair, in the land of reality we have things like "long sword" and "short sword", not everything has a cool name lol
@@anguishedcarpet I just don't like Sanderson, so I was being an asshole.
Heya!
The Double-Pay Soldier thing that is being referenced, i believe is specifically related to the german word "Doppelsöldner", which quite literally translates to "Double-Mercenary", and i believe that it was not just quite that they were paid twice for their training, but rather that they were paid twice under the GUARANTEE, that they would be at the very front of a battle. Basically, you pay these strangers twice in order to be more likely to die than your own people. or something like that.
I imagine the extra hazard pay went a long way towards overcoming one's self-preservation instinct. When the guys behind you are relying on you in order to have a fighting chance, you might as well ask them for more money.
@@yetanother9127 The thing about Landsknecht is that they were already the daredevils of their age, in fact it's probably from late medieval / early modern mercenaries that we get a lot of our modern fantasy adventurer archetypes. Pretty much all Landsknecht fought of their own volition, many of them were just ordinary people looking for better prospects and a bit of adventure and excitement, they also didn't exercise such strict military discipline off the battlefield as many other contemporary armies, and those that would come later and there was even a degree of what could perhaps be loosely described as some form of democracy within indiviual units, the men could elect a spokesperson specifically as a way to get their voice heard. They went out of their way to look gaudy even for the time, and what they wore was essentially the antithesis of military uniform, if that was your average Landsknecht, then you can imagine what your average Doppelsöldner was like. Though one has to remember the double pay might not sound like much, but when you realize these guys often had the biggest tents, with the most decoration and general amenities of all grunts, you start to realize that the perks were definitely there, especially considering most of your average campaign would be a whole lot of marching and camping, lots of smaller skirmishes and not a whole lot of big field battles.
Also I should mention that as far as I'm aware there isn't any historical evidence that tells us every doppelsöldner would have carried a big two handed sword, as the term simply means double pay, however there is a lot of evidence, especially pictoral evidence from the period that shows landsknecht with big two hander swords or Zweihanders / Bidenhanders. So they were absolutely there, and it's probably safe to say that while not every doppelsöldner was armed with a big ol sword most landsknecht who used these weapons probably were doppelsöldners.
Also, it usually was quite a bit more than just double the pay, which makes sense as your rank and file pikemen weren't particularily well-paid (granted, still a bit better than your average peon, but those wouldn't risk their lifes, either).
It should also be noted that this was a bit of a general term for specialist units. Like, not just people with these greatswords, but also with halberds, pollaxes and early on arquebusiers were considered Doppelsöldner (not artillery crews, tho. Those were often not even part of the merc regiment but rather a separate group entirely).
They were paid more because they were more efficient, brought higher quality gear, had to prove that they were actually qualified to use their weapons (often with some kind of certificate from a fencing Master) and because they were often assigned important roles (usually protecting either key positions, important individuals or the flanks and rears of allied formations).
Their job *was* dangerous, but not neccessarily that much more dangerous than that of any recruit, just more complex and difficult.
@@yetanother9127 I read an article that said they were paid double because they got paid up front and again after the battle. So if they didn't make it their families still got some money. Absolutely no idea how accurate this is though.
Also heard that it was because they couldn't carry more loot compared to the other soldiers
I love how the single Montante rules looks so simple and easy, but once you go through the motions yourself you quickly notice the hidden complexity of these moves. And then when a full flourish combine all the rules in a dynamic patterns minds are blown. :D
Then you start to add in the short edge and thumb grip cuts to reach full fanciness
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Don’t know who in HEMA would disagree with calling the movements kata, the sheer mass makes momentum conservation so important that greatsword handling is more like a bunch of preset dance moves you have to string together because it doesn’t give you the time to do otherwise
Likewise. But this is the internet so…..
Probably purists or nationalist morons
Eh, I've heard the word 'drill' used in the same way as 'kata'. Same meaning.
I love how Anthony knows how to parry with their humor now, and how his jokes are on point. 😝
Now just imagine if Brian had been in this episode and tried kicking the sword blade with the sandals he always insists on wearing on dangerous filming days.
Ramsay: Let the knife do the work
Anthony: The sword is doing the work
Corey is the unspoken third member of the modern rogue. Rejoice!
this is the first one since the quarterstaff episode where i just thought "man that thing can do some damage"
Truth. Not everybody realizes how much momentum those things have until they're swinging one in earnest.
I kinda makes sense.
A normal (long)sword can do some pretty lethal damage.
A Twohander literally weight twice as much.
I may not be as nimble, but the momentum more than make up for it.
@@The_Keeper a longsword is a two handed sword.
@@psykikninja A true two-handed sword is what montantes and their ilk are commonly referred to as
I love how Anthony doesn't take himself too seriously and just rolls with the humor.
Having a time indicator on the subtitles/tooltips/whatever they're called, is INSPIRED and should be in every video ever.
I like how Corey is turning into Jason’s buddy that he goes and does karate in the garage with
DID THEY JUST BECOME BEST FRIENDS?
"You don't usually fight another montante"
Laugh in Marozzo
I remember people saying it was odd/disrespectful to the weapon that Xiao kicks his polearm to lift it up in genshin impact. But that's an actual thing you do for large weapons...
I think this is the fist time I saw someone do it to a sword tho
It's common practice in zweihander treatise, it's also a counter move to catch hostile pole arms on the barbs. I use one recreationally and sometimes without that kick you don't move quick enough.
Kicking long weapons is actually a thing in lots of Asian martial arts.
A kick is a good starting move to get a big thing moving
Beidou kicks her claymore during her normal attack string.
Also if you're talking about kicking weapons then Zhongli takes the cake 🤣
Dont they smash their weapons in the ground every time they attack in genshin impact
It's always a good time when Anna and Anthoney are involved! I wish them much luck with widening their reach
I just realized that Cory is basically Al from Tool Time on Home Improvement, and I guess that makes Brian and Jason the Tim Allen's.
If Brian starts grunting like Tim in these videos, I swear I'm just gonna lose it
He is the adult in the room.
*EEEEUUUUUHHH?*
Makes me think of one renfaire where a guy had one. He was facing a much more agile guy with a sword and shield. I was sure he would be out maneuvered. All he did was hold the word stationary and step to the other side to defend . block, block, turned it low, block... like in boxing you have 4 quadrants.... lol.... And then eventually flat side bonked the guy and used the poor guys own shield to step on and pin him.
Sounds like basically the principle behind the gourang, but way bigger.
Fun Fact:
The Zweihander requires the wielder to have obtained 24 strength and 10 dexterity in order to swing it properly. For maximum effectiveness it would be wise to upgrade it to chaos +5 and to always carry at least 10 humanity.
I was thoroughly disappointed to not find Giantdad in this video.
Good for you, Cory. I hope you make those goals. I'm on a strict keto diet and I've lost 50lbs so far, but I still have a long way to go. I know them feels about donuts, bro... I miss Krispy Kreme like a missing limb... and bread and pizza and potatoes... AND BEER... but once I get there I can start a normal diet again but honestly I don't really hate it.
Thanks! I do love a higher protein keto life myself.
If you guys wanna lose weight just get a drug problem. Literally any illegal stimulant you choose will cause you to rapidly lose weight, have no appetite, and you'll always be full of energy.
@@SirTorcharite Modern Problems Require Modern Solutions.
I was in Chicago at the Institute of Art last weekend and they had one of these. I heard one of the people in the museum actually talking about how it was used as a bodyguard weapon. Neat!
Corey is slowly becoming bobby from supernatural
Well its good to see that some ideas carry over, the danish axe is almost completely similar to this, its more about keeping the weapon moving rather then accurate strikes.
We dont know how dane axes were used
Fire and wind come from the sky, from the gods of the sky. But Crom is your god, Crom and he lives in the earth. Once, giants lived in the Earth, Conan. And in the darkness of chaos, they fooled Crom, and they took from him the enigma of steel. Crom was angered. And the Earth shook. Fire and wind struck down these giants, and they threw their bodies into the waters, but in their rage, the gods forgot the secret of steel and left it on the battlefield. We who found it are just men. Not gods. Not giants. Just men. The secret of steel has always carried with it a mystery. You must learn its riddle, Conan. You must learn its discipline. For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts.
This, you can trust.
When they end with the sword on the ground it's like a medieval "Cometh at me"
I've been so into greatswords recently so this is the perfect video right now
I would love to point out that large two handed weapons like that were also quite often used against cavalry as they offered a lot of heft behind a swing + enough range to be effective against a guy armed with a polearm on horseback.
Greatswords are too short to deal with cavalry without being used together with longer pole weapons.
@@kamilszadkowski8864 The zhanmadao, one of the longest Chinese swords, specifically translates to chop horse blade
@@luskarian4055 Yes, and the katzbalger, one of the shortest German swords, specifically translates as cut-gutter. So what?
I never doubt anyone that says "paper, rock, scissors", instead of "RPS". That person will fuck you up.
2:43
What’s wrong with that. The letters are in alphabetical order that way?
@@shubinternet It's a joke.
Most people say "Rock paper scissors". The fact the he breaks it up and switches the order, means he doesn't give a shit about proper order, and that he's confident in himself.
If you didn't understand it from the start, you're not going to understand the explanation, or anything I try to put forward.
Good luck.
@@xBleuGuyx - I did get the joke. And I joked in response. I guess you didn’t get my joke?
"You must save the baby head"
_only sword that touches the baby head belongs to the defender......_
The amount of scrolling I had to do to find someone mentioning this, lol surprised it wasn't joked about
My friends and I used to have weekly sword fights, the moment I made one of these things I could hold off a couple of them at once, it was pretty fun. It's really cool to think back to how over time we would each make specific weapons to counter each other's weapons. As soon as I made that giant sword, the next week someone brought a shield, to counter that someone else made a weird hook thing, then someone made a mace and chain, and it just kept going.
You got yourself a good ol fashioned arms race
1:55 also consider that they were usually frontline/heavy infantry weapons, which is an incredibly dangerous job, even in a battlefield context
Oh dear, Modern Rogue with swords, this'll be good!
Y’all are like low budget mythbusters and I love it
Missed opportunity to call Skallagrim into the channel, like what you did with Walcom
Walcom was already in Texas for an event. He probably reached out to them.
“How do you cut yourself with a plastic sword?”
Um…have you ever tried to open plastic packaging? Plastic is sharp and evil lol.
My god!!!!! How is it that every single episode about swords with this guy is AMAZING!!!!! honestly this is too much fun😁😁😁😁😁
doppelsoldners were not double paid because of their sword, they were paid double in exchange to be placed at the most dangerous parts of the battle.
Jason has reminded me of Baldur from god of war since he's rocked the shaved sides
the little countdown pie timer you have on the pop up text is a great innovation for youtube. whoever thought of that is a genius
Having spared agains these big swords it’s terrifying. But when a facing sword and buckler it’s all bout not letting them stop your blade. As soon as they get that blade stopped and controlled your in trouble.
Drill, kata, doesn't matter what you call it. You learn the moves and forms and repeat them again and again until your conscious brain is no longer in control of things and you just react accordingly fast enough to save your life when needed.
Changing your life habits is difficult! I'm proud of the two of you finding a system and support to help you make that change. Now if only your coworkers would help out (Jason, I'm looking at you...)
One of the beautiful thing about this weapon is that you shouldn’t fight against it weight but work with it. The flow of the blade should feel natural and always ready to switch up to defend or attack.
When you get down the motions it’s incredibly effective and fun to do.
Edge alignment / indexing momentum / balance your body counter balancing that momentum
I thought they were gonna yell "By the power of Greyskull" at the end
to make that twist easier, don't twist with the hand closer to the guard but the hand closer to the pommel, makes it waaay easier.
"well, I tried" at 18:00 xD
the protective tip cover made me chuckle,i understand the idea, but in that small room i imagine it's just as easy to get accidentally hit with any part of that sword.
Good to see that the axe target is getting use! Great episode, fellas!
dark souls taught me well to instantly recognise that weapon
Though the Chosen Undead is actually horrible at using it. Or almost any weapon, for that matter. I guess once you've died a few times you eventually just give up on the concept of covering yourself and just try to brute-force it.
@@darthplagueis13 well, it's a zombie, killing zombies.
Kinda obvious that they would lack combat skill
@@terra6713yet they swing katana pretty well, from is just lazy
Just the suggestion that it is a bladed weapon causes Jason to be cut...
Jast as he goes to get a paper towel, it cut to a comercial:
Funny enough the comercial was for jam, and opened with a gush of red on a whiteish surface.
The algorithm has a sick, sadistic side
I want to learn how to use this sword now!!!
This stuff is way cooler than any ridiculous fantasy swordplay. I'd love to see a game focused around techniques like this where you have to be more careful with your movements and such instead of just "click to hit enemy"
Jedi Academy multiplayer sort of had this actually.
There are two games like this one I don't remember the name that is still in development but the other is called Kingdom come deliverence that its combat is quite realistic but that it has to sacrifice a couple of things for the Gameplay
And here I was expecting them to do Godhino's rules.
Sad
This was the best episode, I haven't laughhed so hard. But I have to gove kudos for effort. This is allbpart of learning, but having fun is also a help in learning. That is a motivator.
That first kick up and cut, in my mind immediately Netflix Castlevania didn't see it coming shocked face left side falls off blood blood blood omg so much blood
Corey definitely seems to have a knack for this.
These videos are great. Do one on morning-star flails!
Corey episodes are great episodes.
Hellz ya!
Clear eyes, full hearts, high confidence.
The double-pay soldier, or the doppelsöldner did not use exclusively greatswords. If I recall correctly, which I admittedly might not, they were 50/50 split between melee and ranged weapons, with the melee guys using greatswords and halberds and the ranged people using crossbows and arquebuses.
I would love to see these guys learn rifle spinning
I like how they taped/painted the edge to keep track of it. Purpleheart Montante?
Looks like one. Or maybe an early Blackfencer? But I think Purpleheart also. For the nylon montante. No idea on the steel blunts.
Episode so dangerous Brian wasn't allowed on set
Even... plastic ones... *INSERT FLASHBACK DOG MEME with flashing images of the nerf swords*
Would love to see more of that kinda fencing with 2 people who know what they're doing
I love how you can see it just click together for Cory at 14:07.
Ohhhh kay. You know, I always wondered. Because it really doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would fare extremely well against smaller or lighter weapons that can just slip through. And it's crazy to think of it as an anti-cavalry weapon since you never want to face down a charging horse on your own. Breaking pike formations and using it as area denial makes way more sense.
Although now I have this mental image of two people with zweihanders seeing each other and just stepping around with a quick wave. Just "Sam," "George," and then back into the heat of battle.
I love this HEMA videos, i cant wait to get to training!
Cory is actually pretty good at using a long sword
I… I think I could actually learn this. It really looks like a mix of staff, polearm, and sword.
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If you still need it
Spin 2 win!
The guy at Arby's was slicing the roast beef with one of those last night.
Could yall do a video where you make your own training montante?
I could certainly see the unease in trying to remember hand placement, because there's a lot of shifting grips and such that you arent always sure you've done it right especially in the heat of battle... or whatever (I mean honestly it looks like great exercise once you get going). As I'm following along at home your knuckles are supposed to face the cut edge so it seems more intuitive to turn the blade with the hand closest to the hilt, but then to say the other hand is supposed to reposition it seems weird in practice as first.
The "shifting grip" isn't that bad. He greatly exaggerated it for the purposes of coaching. In actual use the grip change is slight and natural.
You'll be sure of it after a few lessons and it will be natural. You hopefully won't be in the heat of battle before that :)
And remember, the people that used these swords were typically very large men in very huge sets of armor too, and it was such a disciplined practice it almost looked like a ballet move. Murdery ballet, of course, but still. And you can see these guys in a ton in older assassins creed games.
In AC1, the counters look scarily realistic and utilitarian. Of course, that sword would probably have a pretty hard time with all that armor on the guards, but that's the only issue I can see.
I see Brian got a new sense of style
Cory is so awesome and this video was so fun to watch!!
That sword on the left at the start, I'm jealous
resetting the injury counter
Always loved the montante.. now i must learn.
Oh the pretty rogues and their wacky antics
basically , if you can lift it and swing and have more reach then your enemy , good chances you will win
It's almost like strength is important in melee combat.
"High confidence" does sound something that Landsknecht may have been saying..
Video titled "Reset The Injury Counter"..
Oh shit.. Here we go again!
First reason to be scared: Giant Sword
Second reason to be scared: ALL GROIN STRIKES
That much more so when the Giant wielding them get hood at it.
Could you imagine these HEMA guys during the apocalypse? 😁😁😁
Is there a Disc Golf course at modern Rogue HQ! How about MR Builds a Disc Golf Course?