Would you mind writing down what the main burst rotation as devoker is? As well as the sustained/filler damage when you don’t have your big go up? That would be great! A little hard to follow just your words in this, I am more of a visual learner haha
Hey not a problem! Burst Rotation: Oppressing Roar > Deep Breath > Dragonrage > Shattering Star > Eternity Surge > Tip the Scales > Fire Breath - then just Spam out disintegrates, if you get an instant cast Living Flame use it as it'll generate a full 2 stacks of essence burst; mainly just keep disintegrating as much as you can. Outside of Burst Rotation: Shattering Star > Eternity Surge > 1 Power Level Fire Breath/2-3 Charge Power Level Fire Breath if you're playing Scouring Flame PvP Talent - Spam disintegrates; use Azure Strike to generate Essence Bursts OR your instant cast Living Flames from your Fire Breath dot. It is important to prioritize using instant cast living flames > azure strikes when you have them as they deal a significant amount of damage comparatively. Basically you do NOT want to use Shattering Star unless you can follow it up with an Eternity Surge, as it's a massive boost to your damage, and as long as you're spamming your disintegrates out; you'll have Shattering Star, Eternity Surge, and Fire Breath off cooldown around the same time relatively.
Great video! Despite the time of the vid I appreciate the fact that you load it up with relevent information with not too much rambling. Have been healing my entire time playing the game and decided to play dps for the first time and chose dev. You've earned my sub keep it up
Oh man I really really appreciate this comment! My guides always run super long haha, I go like.. too in depth sometimes but I'm glad it doesn't come across as rambling! Thank you!
Thanks man! i was wondering to start an evoker and your video gave me the boost needed to start!! heheh thanks! Great video and very comprehensive guide!
Thank you guys so much for watching! I hope you enjoy this guide! Devastation is incredibly fun - Be sure to follow and check in over at www.twitch.tv/grimlockmmo to catch me playing some Devoker very soon! :) You guys are super supportive; if you have any feedback/advice on what I can do better in future videos - PLEASE feel free to comment those suggestions below! Thank you!
I'm happy with the return of devastation, way mor fun than aug tbh. Aug was like making the OP specs more broken and making support classes like shaman less important in both pve and pvp
I think its the first season that devastation feels good. If they added another defensive like an immunity or a wall you can use in stun, the spec would be on point.
Idk how I didn't see this comment - so sorry for massively late reply, but yes! I'd love an extra defensive honestly. Maybe just an absorb like how augvoker has with Blistering Scales; or even just a heal proc off of our damage outside of leech or something would be nice. We're definitely glass cannons lol.
I love the content. First real in depth guide of the specialization. Thanks man, i just started devoker main after 5 months break, playing devoker first time in my life, and i climbed 300cr in 2’s today. Sub from me. Ty.
Thanks for this comprehensive guide bro!! so much value! Quick question, maybe you mentioned it somehwere, but dont you need to disintegrate fully for full damage?
Hey! I really appreciate you watching - basically spamming disintegrate does higher burst values of damage because the way the timing works out for disintegrate is it does it's first point of damage the millisecond you begin channeling it, so if you're spamming it, you'll do 2 ticks of a disintegrate every time it's casted meaning you can do anywhere from 160-400k damage in .1 second because if your disintegrates are ticking for 80k and both instances of damage happen at the same time, you'll hit for 160k etc etc. Overall if you let the disintegrate cast channel down, you'll do more overall damage (this is better for dealing damage outside of your burst unless you're going for a kill within a stun type of deal) BUT if you're trying to do damage in a quick/bursted instance, spamming disintegrate can deal much higher damage within 4 seconds then just channeling 2 disintegrates fully. I.E. If someone is in a stun for 4 seconds, you can channel 2 full disintegrates worth of damage into them if you're letting them fully channel out - this would total around 380-700k damage if you're critting nearly every tick; but if you're spamming disintegrate with essence bursts, you can spam out up to 5 disintegrates in a 4 second time period, meaning you'll do 2 ticks of disintegrate per each disintegrate the second tick hitting twice because a new disintegrate is activated - dealing around 400-1m damage if you crit. Ik this is a lot of information - if you watch Twitch, come hang out in a stream someday and I can further explain it to you on a dummy haha. :) www.twitch.tv/grimlockmmo
@@Grimlocked Thanks for the explanation bro! Yeah I think I get it, but have to see it and know when to use what, is it because of the power swell passive as well? I just found your streams, im gonna try to join them sometime but im not really active on twitch, but it would really help me tho. I'm a kinda new player to WoW and found devoker so i'm trying to figure out how I should play.
@@Sander-xx4wz Honestly that's awesome, and just play around with it - you'll figure out how you personally enjoy playing it, everyone has a slightly different playstyle outside of bursting really. If you ever have any questions feel free to ask away here or in my stream :)
They do! I normally only put leech on my cloak but I've been putting speed on cloak as of recently because you only get 1% leech from the cloak enchant. It's hard to say if 1% leech is worth it, it's basically a consistent 1-1.5k heals per second because we normally do 100-150k dps pretty consistently. Hard to say if 1k hps is worth it > 3-4% speed increase. haha
I'm so glad to hear this! If you have any questions ever - feel free to ask away! I hope this covers a good amount though and thank you SO much for watching! :)
Hey! My keybinds to move around are pressing both left and right click at the same time to move forward, and then to strafe left and right is Z and C lol. Bit different then the normal.
Yea it's a lotttt of kiting and selecting the right PvP talents to deal with specific classes, playing unburdened flight into DKs and Warriors feels like you're cheating, if you trade Hover efficiently with their mobility they'll almost never be able to touch you outside of Stuns/CC which is really nice. Also utilizing pillars vs casters is really good, you can sit on a pillar, pop out and disintegrate anyone who gets close and as long as you have Hover active you can go back behind line of sight while the disintegrate is still active and channeling on the person. Allowing you to effectively deal damage from behind LoS! Just keep practicing kiting, and LoS vs casters and you'll end up living a lot longer. Also utilizing rescue to LoS/kite is also very good. Either way - keep practicing! :)
It is pretty much never ever worth it; I have never pressed it in PvP outside of RBGs it might be worth it but in arenas it is absolutely better to just press disintegrate in every situation.
Not sure exactly what you mean by this, there's no set way to get OUT of stuns/roots/freeze outside of deep breath allowing you to break out of roots; Nullifying Shroud does PREVENT the first 3 crowd controls landed on you, and Time Stop can also prevent crowd control from landing on someone if you pre-emptively. Outside of that, it's purely from using the PvP Medallion Trinket, which allows you to break out of any singular CC every 2 minutes; so you have to know when it's worth it to break yourself out of CC.
Why vers mast and not vers crit? Isn’t our mastery nerfed in pvp? And with our increased crit damage I would think it would be good to crit more often. Just looking to hear your thoughts cause I have been running vers crit haste and it feels incredible but I’m only like 1600 so looking for a higher xp input.
Hey! Great question! Partially it's do to preference. I personally enjoy Vers Mastery more because it revolves around swapping targets more consistently to have our mastery give us the most value possible. Also with the way Dragonrage works - it revolves entirely around our mastery stat. So in order to benefit from our burst button - we need a decent amount of mastery. While we do benefit from having higher crit damage, critting in PvP is significantly nerfed even with our buff; so crit is normally pretty rare of a stat to run in PvP. Haste is good in general, normally having around 16-20% haste is crazy strong for devoker; our Deep Breath and Fire Breath scale damage with Haste for some reason so that alone is a great reason to stack it. I highly suggest playing around Vers > Mastery > Haste/Crit; Mastery is just an overall damage increase and is more consistent then running crit, which is heavily RNG based.
@@jessegallois3365 At the end of the day - if you enjoy playing thats what matters! So play around with it and see what happens haha. Just have fun! :)
As much as i appreciate that you take the time to make a guide, I feel like this guide fails utterly, as it don´t address the biggest problems that Evokers have. They die so easy, since they have almost no defensive abilities. All other classes have either some kind of stun or immune to dmg for some time. Evokers have none of those things. Sure, we have Landslide and Deep Breath, but since you first have to push the button and point the way to stun or fly, most times, the opponent have moved. If you fave a lock, he can fear or stun you before you get into range, with your tiny range on your spells. Most melee classes, have abilities to be immune to dmg or can stun for you some seconds. A hunter have their shield and self healing. Whenever i play shuffle on one of my healers, if there's an Evoker, we always focus the Evoker, and it almost always die quest fast. So, it would be nice with a guide that actually address the problem that evokers have. Doing dmg is easy, but surviving for more than a few seconds if you are charged by a DH or Arms Warr og Rogue is next to impossible with an Evoker.
Hey! I definitely 1000% agree with what you're saying. I'll make a guide SUPER soon on how to survive better as devoker. It's definitely a glass cannon but there is tips and tricks on how to live through goes with it. I'll break down what I can for it. It is super hard to live with for a bunch of people and I think it would be smart of me to make a guide specifically revolving around it's survivability. Thanks for your comment!
I will say - I do slightly disagree about it being impossible to live with as an evoker, it just takes a bunch of practice even vs really really good players. It requires a bunch of pressing buttons pre-emptively which is the hardest part. There's nothing evoker can do while in a stun which is actually the same exact issue Demon Hunters have; every defensive has to be pressed prior to being attacked. - If you do want to learn a bit about survivability for them before I come out with a guide revolving around that specifically - feel free to watch one of my Zero to Legend videos where I'm playing shuffle from 0-2400+. Currently I have uploaded to 2200mmr (more to come very soon though - it's already recorded just need to edit it.)
I really appreciate you take your time to answer me 😊 I find Evokers fun to play, but also very frustrating, so I will look forward to the guide about how to survive..
I'd say it's pretty solid yea; I think Dev+Sub is better then Dev+Outlaw but it's really hard to say. I really want to find a solid rogue player to play it a good amount to really test it vs a handful of comps; I think it has a bunch of potential - just no one plays it.
Hey, can u please confirm changes Mastery vs Haste and crit ? Kinda confusing right now, coz i switch to Haste and i do far more damage than when i was with Mastery.
Mastery is definitely wayyy better then Haste for devoker. Your entire burst ability revolves around your mastery - Haste only increases the damage done by Deep Breath as far as I'm aware - it MAY increase the damage of disintegrate but not by more then Mastery. Haste doesn't increase raw damage for devoker like mastery does and our big damage comes from Eternity Surges and Fire Breaths which revolve from Mastery.
@@Grimlocked Thanks, Its a shit of a game anyway, Im not playing anymore. Full with bots and cheatters. Im so glad that its dying. I never understood the need to cheat ! Only miserable ppl do this. They cant win if not cheatting. I ask you about stats because i saw this in Google. When i ask what is best starts for devoker. I remove almost all my gear with Mastery because that. Even Wowhead was posting the same. Masetery at last position.
Would you mind writing down what the main burst rotation as devoker is? As well as the sustained/filler damage when you don’t have your big go up? That would be great! A little hard to follow just your words in this, I am more of a visual learner haha
Hey not a problem!
Burst Rotation:
Oppressing Roar > Deep Breath > Dragonrage > Shattering Star > Eternity Surge > Tip the Scales > Fire Breath - then just Spam out disintegrates, if you get an instant cast Living Flame use it as it'll generate a full 2 stacks of essence burst; mainly just keep disintegrating as much as you can.
Outside of Burst Rotation:
Shattering Star > Eternity Surge > 1 Power Level Fire Breath/2-3 Charge Power Level Fire Breath if you're playing Scouring Flame PvP Talent - Spam disintegrates; use Azure Strike to generate Essence Bursts OR your instant cast Living Flames from your Fire Breath dot.
It is important to prioritize using instant cast living flames > azure strikes when you have them as they deal a significant amount of damage comparatively.
Basically you do NOT want to use Shattering Star unless you can follow it up with an Eternity Surge, as it's a massive boost to your damage, and as long as you're spamming your disintegrates out; you'll have Shattering Star, Eternity Surge, and Fire Breath off cooldown around the same time relatively.
This guide slaps bro! thanks for always posting these. Makes me want to play the diff classes every time you make a new one lol
Thanks so much for your continuous support! More frequent content to come!
@@Grimlockedof course dude!
Great video! Despite the time of the vid I appreciate the fact that you load it up with relevent information with not too much rambling. Have been healing my entire time playing the game and decided to play dps for the first time and chose dev. You've earned my sub keep it up
Oh man I really really appreciate this comment! My guides always run super long haha, I go like.. too in depth sometimes but I'm glad it doesn't come across as rambling! Thank you!
Love this! Even as a 2.1 player this season still learning things from this. Gonna take this new info and push farther!
Good stuff! I definitely plan on updating this guide a bit come 10.2.5 so be on the look out for that! :)
Thanks man! i was wondering to start an evoker and your video gave me the boost needed to start!! heheh thanks!
Great video and very comprehensive guide!
I hope it helps! If you EVER have any questions - please feel free to reach out! :D One of us One of us!
Thank you guys so much for watching! I hope you enjoy this guide! Devastation is incredibly fun - Be sure to follow and check in over at www.twitch.tv/grimlockmmo to catch me playing some Devoker very soon! :)
You guys are super supportive; if you have any feedback/advice on what I can do better in future videos - PLEASE feel free to comment those suggestions below! Thank you!
Great guide ty
Hey I have an updated one you might want to check out for this patch! Thanks for watching! :)
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I'm happy with the return of devastation, way mor fun than aug tbh. Aug was like making the OP specs more broken and making support classes like shaman less important in both pve and pvp
It's honestly great, devastation honestly feels like a more complete spec then aug; I really really enjoy playing it! :)
unravel would also be good into ret to break the shield of vengeance easily (had to think of something to say, commenting for the algorithm)
You're such a homie for that lmao. Thank you big dog!
I think its the first season that devastation feels good. If they added another defensive like an immunity or a wall you can use in stun, the spec would be on point.
Idk how I didn't see this comment - so sorry for massively late reply, but yes! I'd love an extra defensive honestly. Maybe just an absorb like how augvoker has with Blistering Scales; or even just a heal proc off of our damage outside of leech or something would be nice. We're definitely glass cannons lol.
Very good guide ty mate. Left a sub. Keep it up
Thank you so much for watching! I hope it helps! If you have any questions feel free to ask away :)
nice my guy
Thanks for watching! :) I appreciate it.
As interesting as Aug is, I'm glad to see Dev making a comeback!
Me too Drew! It's super fun to play tbh.
I love the content. First real in depth guide of the specialization. Thanks man, i just started devoker main after 5 months break, playing devoker first time in my life, and i climbed 300cr in 2’s today. Sub from me. Ty.
I love to hear it, thanks for watching! Good job! If you need any advice or have any questions - feel free to ask whenever! :)
The best!
I'm glad you like it! I'll be updating this guide relatively soon but it remains mainly accurate :)
thanks for the guide
Absolutely! Thanks for watching! :)
Thanks for this comprehensive guide bro!! so much value! Quick question, maybe you mentioned it somehwere, but dont you need to disintegrate fully for full damage?
Hey! I really appreciate you watching - basically spamming disintegrate does higher burst values of damage because the way the timing works out for disintegrate is it does it's first point of damage the millisecond you begin channeling it, so if you're spamming it, you'll do 2 ticks of a disintegrate every time it's casted meaning you can do anywhere from 160-400k damage in .1 second because if your disintegrates are ticking for 80k and both instances of damage happen at the same time, you'll hit for 160k etc etc.
Overall if you let the disintegrate cast channel down, you'll do more overall damage (this is better for dealing damage outside of your burst unless you're going for a kill within a stun type of deal) BUT if you're trying to do damage in a quick/bursted instance, spamming disintegrate can deal much higher damage within 4 seconds then just channeling 2 disintegrates fully.
I.E. If someone is in a stun for 4 seconds, you can channel 2 full disintegrates worth of damage into them if you're letting them fully channel out - this would total around 380-700k damage if you're critting nearly every tick; but if you're spamming disintegrate with essence bursts, you can spam out up to 5 disintegrates in a 4 second time period, meaning you'll do 2 ticks of disintegrate per each disintegrate the second tick hitting twice because a new disintegrate is activated - dealing around 400-1m damage if you crit. Ik this is a lot of information - if you watch Twitch, come hang out in a stream someday and I can further explain it to you on a dummy haha. :) www.twitch.tv/grimlockmmo
@@Grimlocked Thanks for the explanation bro! Yeah I think I get it, but have to see it and know when to use what, is it because of the power swell passive as well? I just found your streams, im gonna try to join them sometime but im not really active on twitch, but it would really help me tho. I'm a kinda new player to WoW and found devoker so i'm trying to figure out how I should play.
@@Sander-xx4wz Honestly that's awesome, and just play around with it - you'll figure out how you personally enjoy playing it, everyone has a slightly different playstyle outside of bursting really. If you ever have any questions feel free to ask away here or in my stream :)
Love the video! quick question does leech enchants on cloak and bracer stack with our leech talent?
They do! I normally only put leech on my cloak but I've been putting speed on cloak as of recently because you only get 1% leech from the cloak enchant. It's hard to say if 1% leech is worth it, it's basically a consistent 1-1.5k heals per second because we normally do 100-150k dps pretty consistently. Hard to say if 1k hps is worth it > 3-4% speed increase. haha
I see that you are using gladius ex for your enemy arena frames, what party frame add on are you using?
Party frames are actually the base UI frames, but I use OmniCD to show my teammates CDs. :)
Hey thank you very much for the quick replies, this information has helped me and my friends do better in arena!
@@TYJILY Of course! Any time you have any questions - feel free to ask right away :)
Great guide, I'm coming back for WoW PVP and going Dev and this helped a ton. Thank you!
I'm so glad to hear this! If you have any questions ever - feel free to ask away! I hope this covers a good amount though and thank you SO much for watching! :)
i have a question how are you able to move around when you have binds on ur movement keys
Hey! My keybinds to move around are pressing both left and right click at the same time to move forward, and then to strafe left and right is Z and C lol. Bit different then the normal.
I find that I can clap someone when I can do my damage but I feel like I just die when attacked lol
Yea it's a lotttt of kiting and selecting the right PvP talents to deal with specific classes, playing unburdened flight into DKs and Warriors feels like you're cheating, if you trade Hover efficiently with their mobility they'll almost never be able to touch you outside of Stuns/CC which is really nice.
Also utilizing pillars vs casters is really good, you can sit on a pillar, pop out and disintegrate anyone who gets close and as long as you have Hover active you can go back behind line of sight while the disintegrate is still active and channeling on the person. Allowing you to effectively deal damage from behind LoS!
Just keep practicing kiting, and LoS vs casters and you'll end up living a lot longer. Also utilizing rescue to LoS/kite is also very good. Either way - keep practicing! :)
in what situations does evoker use Pyre in pvp? just as cleave or is it not even worth?
It is pretty much never ever worth it; I have never pressed it in PvP outside of RBGs it might be worth it but in arenas it is absolutely better to just press disintegrate in every situation.
I missed it somewhere , how are you getting out of stuns, rootsz freezes etc?
Not sure exactly what you mean by this, there's no set way to get OUT of stuns/roots/freeze outside of deep breath allowing you to break out of roots; Nullifying Shroud does PREVENT the first 3 crowd controls landed on you, and Time Stop can also prevent crowd control from landing on someone if you pre-emptively.
Outside of that, it's purely from using the PvP Medallion Trinket, which allows you to break out of any singular CC every 2 minutes; so you have to know when it's worth it to break yourself out of CC.
Why vers mast and not vers crit? Isn’t our mastery nerfed in pvp? And with our increased crit damage I would think it would be good to crit more often. Just looking to hear your thoughts cause I have been running vers crit haste and it feels incredible but I’m only like 1600 so looking for a higher xp input.
Hey! Great question! Partially it's do to preference. I personally enjoy Vers Mastery more because it revolves around swapping targets more consistently to have our mastery give us the most value possible. Also with the way Dragonrage works - it revolves entirely around our mastery stat. So in order to benefit from our burst button - we need a decent amount of mastery.
While we do benefit from having higher crit damage, critting in PvP is significantly nerfed even with our buff; so crit is normally pretty rare of a stat to run in PvP. Haste is good in general, normally having around 16-20% haste is crazy strong for devoker; our Deep Breath and Fire Breath scale damage with Haste for some reason so that alone is a great reason to stack it.
I highly suggest playing around Vers > Mastery > Haste/Crit; Mastery is just an overall damage increase and is more consistent then running crit, which is heavily RNG based.
@@Grimlocked Thank you for the response! Ill give mastery a shot!
@@jessegallois3365 At the end of the day - if you enjoy playing thats what matters! So play around with it and see what happens haha. Just have fun! :)
As much as i appreciate that you take the time to make a guide, I feel like this guide fails utterly, as it don´t address the biggest problems that Evokers have.
They die so easy, since they have almost no defensive abilities. All other classes have either some kind of stun or immune to dmg for some time. Evokers have none of those things.
Sure, we have Landslide and Deep Breath, but since you first have to push the button and point the way to stun or fly, most times, the opponent have moved.
If you fave a lock, he can fear or stun you before you get into range, with your tiny range on your spells.
Most melee classes, have abilities to be immune to dmg or can stun for you some seconds. A hunter have their shield and self healing.
Whenever i play shuffle on one of my healers, if there's an Evoker, we always focus the Evoker, and it almost always die quest fast.
So, it would be nice with a guide that actually address the problem that evokers have. Doing dmg is easy, but surviving for more than a few seconds if you are charged by a DH or Arms Warr og Rogue is next to impossible with an Evoker.
Hey! I definitely 1000% agree with what you're saying. I'll make a guide SUPER soon on how to survive better as devoker. It's definitely a glass cannon but there is tips and tricks on how to live through goes with it. I'll break down what I can for it. It is super hard to live with for a bunch of people and I think it would be smart of me to make a guide specifically revolving around it's survivability. Thanks for your comment!
I will say - I do slightly disagree about it being impossible to live with as an evoker, it just takes a bunch of practice even vs really really good players. It requires a bunch of pressing buttons pre-emptively which is the hardest part. There's nothing evoker can do while in a stun which is actually the same exact issue Demon Hunters have; every defensive has to be pressed prior to being attacked. - If you do want to learn a bit about survivability for them before I come out with a guide revolving around that specifically - feel free to watch one of my Zero to Legend videos where I'm playing shuffle from 0-2400+. Currently I have uploaded to 2200mmr (more to come very soon though - it's already recorded just need to edit it.)
I really appreciate you take your time to answer me 😊
I find Evokers fun to play, but also very frustrating, so I will look forward to the guide about how to survive..
@@michaelhemmingsen3551 Absolutely! Your time is as valuable as mine haha. I appreciate your comments and thank you for the entire video idea tbh. :)
On which addon u see the enemy cd's under the enemy arenaframes. Blind, Shadowdance.... I need it
It's actually part of my arena frame addon - I use GladiusEx, it takes a second to set up but it helps a bunch!
Can i get Gladiusex on Curseforge? I want to get the even to check the enemy cds
@@Grimlockedi use actuell Battlegroundenemies xD. But only i want to see in shuffle how much dds of my team have which enemy in the target.
@@paulrichter1846 You can! I only use Curseforge for my addons,
Is dev+sub/outlaw good ?
I'd say it's pretty solid yea; I think Dev+Sub is better then Dev+Outlaw but it's really hard to say.
I really want to find a solid rogue player to play it a good amount to really test it vs a handful of comps; I think it has a bunch of potential - just no one plays it.
@@Grimlocked yeah seems like it could be quite decent
Hey, can u please confirm changes Mastery vs Haste and crit ?
Kinda confusing right now, coz i switch to Haste and i do far more damage than when i was with Mastery.
Mastery is definitely wayyy better then Haste for devoker. Your entire burst ability revolves around your mastery - Haste only increases the damage done by Deep Breath as far as I'm aware - it MAY increase the damage of disintegrate but not by more then Mastery.
Haste doesn't increase raw damage for devoker like mastery does and our big damage comes from Eternity Surges and Fire Breaths which revolve from Mastery.
@@Grimlocked Thanks, Its a shit of a game anyway, Im not playing anymore. Full with bots and cheatters.
Im so glad that its dying. I never understood the need to cheat ! Only miserable ppl do this. They cant win if not cheatting.
I ask you about stats because i saw this in Google. When i ask what is best starts for devoker. I remove almost all my gear with Mastery because that. Even Wowhead was posting the same. Masetery at last position.