Hey guys I felt this was an important video for us to make, and I'm really glad you guys like it. We've covered a lot of different cars on this channel and talked to a lot of owners, and the one thing that unites them all is the desire for MO POWAH BABEH! So no matter how your car makes its power, you're welcome in the Donut community. - Nolan
Cool video Nolan. Super informative and maybe now people will know that EV vehicles aren't as clean as they think. That they'll stop being smug and pretending their doo dont stink lol. The one thing that I feel got left out, is where EV vehicles get there energy from. All power plants have their downsides. Solar and wind power isn't as clean as you think it is. Look into it. I don't want to destroy our beautiful planet, but I'm really tired of misinformation about "clean" energy.
Yeah there are more problems with ev's bc when you need to get rid of the batterys they are just sent to an undeveloped country and into landfills and the harmfull stuff in the batteries will ruin the land
Perhaps an episode of Past Gas on this? Would love to see more on this topic from my favorite car guys. And no Nolan, it doesn't matter that I already heard what you had to say about it here because facts be facts.
I'd like to see a part B with the end stage of the vehicles. The recycling of the batteries the recycling of the gas motor versiand just would be interesting
you can basically melt an ice engine, and and an ice engine can be used way longer before rendered useless and have to be recycled. so ev probably will lost that comparison.
@@kadrikarakoc807 nope, for a single reason and that is called math. The recycled battery is used for the NEW car, so you are not putting recycling to the equation of the old car but to the equation of the production of a new car. And since recycling old battery is more environmentaly friendly than mining that shit, the new cars from recycled batteries are way less environmentally friendly than ICE :-) Of course if you throw both cars off the cliff, then obviously EV vehicle will be less environmentally friendly and the whole argument will then be whats worse - old lithium battery in nature or lets say 500 tons of CO2 and poisons in the air.
@@DjAled4K That is basically Porsche's solution with eFuel. But for eFuel to be produced, you need a massive sustainable energy powerplants. And that's what's cool with sustainable energy - it's unlimited power. In theory, you can build a massive floating rig stretching 20x20 kms on the ocean covered with solar panels and you can "store" it in the form of H2 which you can use to fuel these cars or use for any combustion needed. No need for batteries. All the power from the solar panels go to electrolytic reaction in the ocean, producing H2 and O2. Negatives? The sea can get a little bit saltier depending how much of water you take out of it in the form of H2 - but hey, the good thing is you will be returing it back in the form of clouds.
His car is warranted and the excessive noise outside is not. Like how bikinis in public are warranted when you’re wearing them but underwear is not. Warranted. Consent.
I think you haven't installed a proper ice (in car entertainment) in your ice car. Ev's can produce any type of noise/muzik, on demand, any volume, etc with an aftermarket kit. All that whilst no emissions to burn your beloved/nonbeloved one's lungs if you please. Plus there's a new segment of aftermarket kits that can be devised just like the good old ice rice cars 😆
Excellent breakdown of the pros and cons of EVs. One big issue I see with them is that they’re still not affordable enough for most people even with a tax credit. And on top of that a lot of people don’t have access to charging because they live in an apartment. Someday it’ll get there when the technology matures but not yet.
@@mattpierson6100 wow that is a good deal. Hard to get a decent car for that price. How did you find that? Does that price include the new batteries or did you have to pay separate?
@@mattpierson6100 And, with the cost of a new battery pack, the car becomes like a bic lighter. Just throw it away and get another one once the pack cacks.
I think the ice market is setting the price trends. The average new car in the US is ~$45,000, and seeing bottom of the market cars on the road is rare. People complain about the prices but still very few buy the budget option.
@@JSchroederee yeah that may be true but I wouldn’t consider that affordable. I know lots of people finance way more car than they should and blowout their budget with the payment. And I suppose I should also admit that affordable is relative. I bought my Subaru new in 2015 for 26k. Now the same model and trim would be 30k. For my friend affordable meant buying a used Chevy truck for 10k. While for most people in my area affordable means an Altima or a very used old car like an Impala or similar. And you’re right you don’t often see the cheapest new cars on the road, which I guess proves your point about the trends and mine about financing
BUT! He hasn't taken into account that the lithium car batteries can be recycled. What is the emissions for a recycled battery for a recycled electric car? hmm?? hmm?? Recycling is in it's infancy along with eletric cars, and they can already recycle 80% of every battery. In the future it will be 20% mining and 80% recycling, so the footprint would be lower from the outset. Who knows the, in the future it could become 100% recycled, and there would be no more mining.
No matter which is less damaging to the environment, a brand new EV or a brand new ICE car, I still firmly belive that the MOST enviromental thing you can do as a car owner and driver, is keep an old car running for as long as possible, the production of new cars is responsible for quite a large chunk of the emissions no matter how you spin it!
The new e-fuels in development has all the good characteristics like regular gas. With the difference that these e-fuels do not consists out of any fossil components, and it's also emission free. And the good news is, that any existing car can drive on these e-fuels with just a small adaptation to the engine. This will be the future. It's clear now by a lot of people, dead the electric car is a dead end. This is also the reason why sales are so low. It's also obvious when you look arround you, or in traffic. If you see a parking lot with 100 cars, at best you will be seeing 3 to 4 electric cars. So i'll will be sticking to my own car.
@@opoxious1592the closest thing we have to an e-fuel is hydrogen gas, but the fuel cells are so massive that it leaves barely any space in the actual car. They’re also not very efficient, so you won’t see any car going more than 250 miles on a hydrogen powered engine. Additionally, these cars are very slow, having abysmal acceleration and terrible top speed. EVs on the other hand, do not have any of these flaws. Of course this may change in the future, but as of now EVs are far superior
@@omegastudios-minecraft1865 It's not hydrogen gas. It's a synthetic liquid that is colorless, and the car is filled up just like a regular car. It's like gasoline, but it's not made out of crude oil. So it don't need any special "fuel cells" or anything.
@@opoxious1592 ah cool, I just looked it up. This could be a very nice solution to our carbon emissions, but I’m just worried about the price. Experts say that by 2026 prices will go down to 7.57 dollars per gallon, which is notably much more expensive than gasoline. On the other hand, electric is far cheaper than both gasoline and Porsche’s eFuel. Electric is probably still the way to go, at least for now
@@omegastudios-minecraft1865 The prices will eventually will go down, when they are able to mass produce it on a large scale. So what you say is right, that in the beginning it will be above the avarage price comared to gasoline.
jansen in some parts of the countryside, its just as bad as living next to a major highway. Yeah, you get moments of quiet, but other times, it seems like every time you want to read a book or take a nap or enjoy the peace and quiet, everyone in the county loads up their 4 wheelers, dirt bikes, and their Blazers/Broncos/Tacomas/Jeeps/Subarus/Trackers that ALWAYS seem to have an exhaust that needs to be fixed, or they took the mufflers off of completely because the damn thing isn’t street legal anyway, and head over to your stretch of the woods or your part of the dirt road to get loud and stupid. It gets old. And if they are on public property or public roads while they do it, cops do nothing about it, so you just have to live with it.
@@butkusfan23 oh I get it. Well in the Netherlands everything that's sort of fun is illegal so we can't do anything like driving motorbikes four wheelers etc. In the woods without getting the cops called. So it's really quiet here.
@@jansen7640 well here's the deal its illegal here too but that's what makes it fun and our cops are very lazy here if you're out in the country you're gonna get caught by a sheriff and they'll probably just want a beer.
@@_-HaKooNa.MaTaTa- basically more horsepower/stronger turbocharger or a bigger engine (like the 6 pack) and anything that powers up the livelihood of a car has more power or moh powah babah.
He deliberately omitted the part where there are massive factories all over the world that have to recycle the batteries. If he was good and unbiased at explaining this topic, he would have explained the *massive* amounts of cO2 that those facilities produce. The omission of that information turns this video into nothing but propaganda. Also, the replacement of the battery packs in the cars. EVs have a much longer lifespan than ICE vehicles due to having far fewer moving parts, so people replace the battery packs in their vehicles instead of buying a new car when the batteries no longer hold an acceptable charge. This means that the cO2 production of the batteries is already at least double per BEV than what he's claiming.
@@ayoungtricknamedjim5498 Yes, he never covered what happens to dead batteries and cost of replacing them! My cell phone battery replacement is expensive so I can’t imagine how much it would cost for a car.
@@ayoungtricknamedjim5498 and notice how he didn't give a number for the c02 emissions from lithium or cobalt mining? Judt the ethical thought. 17 metric tons for a big EV, plus atleast 2 tons per year? So 37 tons for 10 years? You're getting up there with ice vehicles, and that's not including replacing the battery or from what I here the additional maintenance of EVs, I hear the tires need to be replaced more. And in an electrical world you still need to take into account the emissions from manufacturing solar panels and wind mills, mining for copper or processing recycled copper... I want to do more research on coal emissions vs oil refining. I thought I read that coal is worse, not sure if it takes into account refining of oil or just burning gas. And there is still energy loss in transporting power. Good luck mining lithium, or copper, or anything heavy with an electric power CAT truck. Most likely will have a low range when it comes to hauling or towing heavy material, which means more charging, and therefore more c02 emitted, whether from coal or manufacturing of solar panels, wind mills, hydro power systems. And more solar? = less room for trees and grass that love c02. Not all solar is just on roofs or pavement... edit: and i also read that mining for uranium emits c02, and heating up your home with electricity is tough vs gas, sooo you're probably going to need more juice, therefore more mining and c02 emissions. They say it's just water vapor, but doesn't water vapor heat the earth? And then you're just taking water from resources around you and speeding up that process that's supposedly already happening in our "warm" world. Just like digging for oil and speeding up that process...
@@toomuchgyal9083 these are the thoughts that are good to ponder. Everyone should be researching this stuff instead of having the EV narrative force-fed and blindly accepting it. One thing I'd mention is that H2O/water vapor actually *cools* the air. Once it reaches a couple of feet from the exhaust pipes, it has a cooling effect :)
Watching this 2 years later and I have a few comments: I think you did a really good job looking at this from an unbiased perspective, however I think you missed out on a couple important points. 1. The batteries on EVs wear out. These batteries will need to get replaced multiple times throughout the life of an EV. Judging by the fact that the majority of EV emissions come from the battery manufacturing process, I feel like accounting for this would change the numbers a lot. These batteries don't last nearly as long as reliable gasoline engines, which can run for hundreds of thousands of miles with no issues. 2. The power grid concern you denoted as a myth actually has a lot of merit. There was a recent heatwave in California. Because of this,home owners tend to use more electricity on air conditioning. This alone was enough for the state of California to request their residents not to charge their EVs because they couldn't provide enough power to do so. They also requested residents to set their thermostats to 78 degrees or higher in order to conserve power. This is ridiculously hot and not at all a reasonable request.
I was going to point out the same thing with the electric grid downing/restrictions in CA! A lot more work would have to be done to prepare the electric grids for electric cars.
The other thing that wasn't noted was the reduced battery function in colder states or countries like Canada, where everything east of British Columbia is a frozen tundra for 4-5 months of the year. That harsh weather is going to kill the battery life & efficiency and cause even more frequent replacement, and that's just based on basic use of the vehicle, not counting the fact that you NEED the heat on and that's going to burn more battery power. So many factors to consider...
That's a great point but there have never been a shut down of the power grid in California and probably never will be. They do warn there might be certain areas that get shut down for a while but it's not the like the entire grid would ever be shut down. To this day California had never had the grind shut down as mass. Texas on the other hand is another can of worms.
@@notDestroyer lol that's not true at all... what city or cites are you talking about? I have not experienced and power outages due to demand ever here in my city.
I greatly appreciate your effort to cover this subject fairly - I am also a Mustang guy, 1999 six here - I do find myself thinking of the huge detriment to the environment when huge fires are created by electric vehicles, including burning down whole houses, as in the hurricane area recently - where as soon as water hit the bottom of the car, the whole house was set afire. All of these emissions are not filtered in any way. Also, when parking garages collapse due to the weight of ev's - these are huge problems that must be addressed, and as for the electrical grid, it has been ignored for so many years. We have not even "hardened it" to protect against solar flares and weapons, which would not be that terribly expensive to do. We have been told NOT to charge EV's at times, old condo complexes like mine do not have the power to support chargers, and this is a common problem throughout the world. We have been told for years we MUST use much less electricity, yet now we are supposed to get rid of gas appliances (pushing their load onto our fragile grid) and gas cars. Yet in case of emergencies such as wildfires, we need to be able to quickly get home and evacuate, we will not have the time to waste charging the electric car - even if the power supply was still working. In our condo complex, built in 1967, we have 40 amps going into each condo - thats it! If we remove our gas wall furnaces, it will take a major amount of electricity just to keep somewhat warm. And gas range.
@@paulgoogol2652 Even if those cars had their own nuclear generator in them (more likely they'd be electric and charged by a nuclear grid), they wouldn't explode. They'd melt down. You'd just have a smoldering lump of steal emitting gamma rays for thousands of years! XD Stop being so dramatic!
Well done. A couple of things to add...companies like Redwood Materials are recyling over 90% of battery materials today. Also, LPF chemistry batteries are becoming more popular. They use lithium but not cobalt, which addresses the concern about child labor for at least that metal.
Cobalt is a byproduct of mining nickel so they're still using those same mines, polluting, and exploiting children. So even if they stop using Cobalt, they're using nickel.
@@lemmyspeaks Child labour does not depend on the type of industry so, by fact, the less materials we use the better. Environmentaly and for child labour also.
Depressive Hemi Noises and Sad Turbo Hisses aren't going anywhere they will be still around over 50-70 years. Fossil fuel will stay and hydrogen is the future, and probably alongside fossil/bio fuel... in Europe companies are already building a lot of hydrogen pump stations.
Weight reduction and weight of the battery will be part of your project And remember that the force needed to accelerate something is mass times acceleration So the more the mass the more energy is needed Plus batteries for cars are at their infancy i think so it's power might get stronger while it's weight can also reduce as time goes on
@@NewbyTon Definitely a good point there! Also worth mentioning the emissions and energy required to extract and manufacture some of the materials, alongside longevity/life.
Great video man! One thing we have to consider here is that EV production technology is still in it's infancy. The process will get more efficient as the economy of scale gets larger. Also, our power grid is something that will get better over time also. On the other hand, you can't just take oil out of the air and put it back in the ground. Once the genie is out of the bottle, it's stuck in the carbon cycle.
One of the dumbest and most common arguments I see is "the power grid can't handle 100% EV's. Checkmate, hippies. Hurr durr." As if the current grid is this static thing that will be as it is for all of time
The power grid where I live, isn't going to be better. It's simple, most roads are gravel and the ussr still exists on maps were I went to school at. So electric cars? Really? Maybe in the city but everywhere else. Nope.
I'd like to mention that hydrocarbons are also cleaning up. Unknown to many people, the introduction of fracking has significantly reduced the amount of emissions attributed to the USA. There are plenty of startup research companies looking into making hydrocarbons with carbon harvested from the atmosphere, either biologically or chemically. Having your fuel as a relatively inert liquid which is easy to transport and requires specific conditions to ignite, let alone explode, is pretty beneficial. Having your power plant also produce heat is very good in harshly cold environments, not to mention that basically, as long as you can get the engine turning and the fuel isn't frozen, you can start an ICE. Electric batteries, on the other hand, do not fare well at all once you are well below freezing. EVs are inherently heavier too, putting more stress on brakes, tires and roads. I believe repaving highways is not only a big inconvenience and expense for travelers and taxpayers, but involves plenty of emissions as well. I would place my bet on cleaner oil, not electric vehicles for all these reasons and more. Just because newer tech exists doesn't mean the old is bad. We still use steam turbines all over the place in power generation, even if the heat comes from a nuclear reactor. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Oh yeah, one more thing: Different cars will not make American cities any more pleasant to live in. The solution is fewer cars, and better public transportation. Make downtown cities walkable again.
I did a paper on this a few years ago. Keep in mind battery production carbon emmissions are very over simplified and biased, I sugest you go through the different components of it and come up with an average yourself, there are many papers on this which are more specific and most of them not biased
@@boataxe4605 spent fuel is a political issue, not a technical one. Using current reprocessing methods we can separate out the fission products which account for over 99% of the radioactivity but only a few percent of the mass. Those isotopes also have very short half lives and only need to be contained for a few hundred years, not 100,000 years. The rest of the spent fuel can be recycled and burnt again. This means a reactor's waste would produce only a few liters of truly harmful waste which can be buried.
Martink9191 Fun fact: Chernobyl is so clean the almost 35 years later people still can’t live there. Another fun fact: Three mile island was only minutes away from suffering the same fate. Fun fact #3 Fukushima.
@KhakiPeach67 Waste fuel is not reactive anymore. It needs 20% to be littlebit dangerous. 80% clean to be used in bombs. anything that is lower than 0,7 is practically useless. Powerplants uses 3-5% enrichment to produce electricitycy. What happened in chernoble, wherent actual nuclear explosion. it was steam explosion, that damaged the reactor core. Well. i put it that way. Put a sealed cettle onto fire. If temperature increases presure inside increases also. In one point cettle can't hold it anymore and it "explodes". Very same happened in chenoble. To mutch pushing rods made boiling prodcedure extremly fast. "cettle" could'nt stand the inside presure and blowed up. How reaction works? Wel it needs water... Basically you have nuclear fuel. it is harmeles. Add some water and it starts to react. That was the main problem in chernoble. If nuclear fuel would made its way to ground water, extremly fast reaction would have been formed.
Connor Hall Hybrid cars are the least efficient: a lot of CO2 is produced during the production of the battery and CO2 is emitted during the life time of the vehicle! Diesel is worse than gasoline because it creates microparticles of polluting agents, which are very detrimental to the public health.
@@andream.464 It really depends on the building year and maintenance. According to Flemmish state broadcaster VRT research 2020 diesels are actually better for the environment compared to their gasoline environment. Indeed it's still true atmospheric gasoline engines are the best, but turbocharged gasoline engines are worse than turbocharged diesels due to the fact they've less filters. Turbos are bad, because they heat up the air so much they literally starting to burn air, or at least the nitrogen part of it. Cars running on CNG are okay with NOx emissions, but worse than diesel with PM emissions. www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2020/01/08/bijna-geen-verschil-meer-tussen-de-verschillende-type-auto-s-di/ These are the stats of new cars. When cars become older, filters become worse. Some owners even remove filters and catalysts to get more performance. With that in mind long-term turbocharged gasoline is better than turbocharged diesel.
I don't know about diesel but I saw in a government report recently that the lifetime impact is lowest for hybrids, even lower than EVs who came second, and gas cars coming in last. I looked for the report again but I can't find it by myself. If you search and find it please link it below so I can bookmark it, thanks lol.
Loved the video and the detail. Would prefer citations from your sources in the video (just a visual reference or in the bio would be good). Thanks for the content
@@Sevenspent Yep and they insist on shutting down all their fossil and nuclear base power. I see a lot of power purchasing from Nevada and Arizona in their future.
@@anydaynow01 why would they shut down nuclear power? It’s one of the most efficient and green sources of energy to date. I guess just another reason Cali sucks
VwertIX I like nuclear too, but recently I’ve learned that aside from the toxic leftover, which I can overlook since it produces SO much energy and we can store the toxic waste in Lead containers and such. The biggest issue is actually insurance and cost, no one insures Nuclear plants because the possible payout if something were to go wrong is just too much for them. So taxpayers have to insure the nuclear plants. Also the vast majority of plants are not profitable. I still think we should continue doing research and trying to make it safer so insurance is easier and development costs can also go down.
I did my college report in 2018 about this. We had a minimum 7 minutes of talk time but this topic took me at best 18 minutes to discuss with my backed up sources. Donut needed to bring in source information on screen to make it a bit more credible.
Me too. I did it in Uni. nobody knew about it when asked. I called it conflict minerals. I went from phone to cars, to referencing jewelry. I got extra credit, too. Great topic. XD When 7 mins. turn into half an hour and no one is yawning that's a great job right there.
Think outside of CO2 footprints. What effect do batteries have on the environment in regards to mining? I'm not speaking on the fuel spent by mining vehicles. Think outside of that. Look at what strip mining does to an area. What cobalt mining does to a community. I want electric vehicles to be something viable. However, concern over the longevity of a battery and its replacement concern me as well. What does it take to reproduce a battery. Again outside the box thinking away from CO2 footprints.
Well as we are seeing the life isnt as long.... I see Teslas with 100k miles dying all the time on autotrader. If someone is very meticulous they may get 150k or so, But many gas cars nowadays push 200k all the time.
there still a few points that are not covered by the video. like electric semi trucks and if its possible to convert over to them completely. not to mention the oils used in electric vehicles, and if we switched over 100 percent to electric vehicles would it work? for the most part this does get rid of most questions.
Why did you calculate the cost of drilling oil but not the mining of coal for power plants or mining of aluminum for wind turbines or processing of silicone for solar panels?
Because it all works out to about the same lol there's virtually no difference from the mining/extraction, production, life of vehicle, and death of vehicle. With the onslaught of EV's being produced, it's not helping C02 emissions at all.
@T-Will-4554 did you do the calculation? Cause the math is actually one sided here. Ev is much worse than gasoline cars (which also can be converted to alcohol or natural gas)
Although nuclear can be clean and safe, to make it safe is incredibly expensive. I wouldn't call it the best new power station to build. Especially economically speaking. (src: ruclips.net/video/UC_BCz0pzMw/видео.html and extensive wikipedia research)
Western Europe (except France): We are going to decommission all our nuclear plants! Long live renewables! Also Western Europe: They build new coal plants and pipelines to avoid an energy crisis... Me: *_Why the f***!?_*
@@DeiKuromu France has now the highest amount of clean energy. Germany planted a million windmills and solar panels. Which kill thousands of birds, destroy enormous pieces of land and make them inhabitable. So you would think Germany is green now? Well, France has like more than twice more green energy, only because of a few nuclear plants. So while France is clean, Germany is mass-murdering birds and other animals.
According to Engineering Explained, if EVERYONE swapped their cars for EVs it would be an extra 30% draw from the power grid. Most grids could handle that at non-peak load times.
And here is my $0.50 take on this... to increase the electricity needed for consumption, you need: 1. More hydro electric power to create electricity... dams use up more land space and flood out ecological and productive lands ☹️ that's a no-go 2. You need hectares to produce electricity via solar panels, again reducing prime productive land to create electricity for EV consumption 3. You need hectares to produce electricity via wind farms/turbines... again reducing prime productive land to create electricity for EV consumption 4. Increasing nuclear production to generate electricity needs strict monitoring (remember Love Island / Chernobyl) Every electricity solution has major impact on the environment so EVs may not be the ideal way to go
forgetting 1. The "high" demand for these they tout is from mandates and regulations. Can't say its demand when its closing in on the only choice. 2. The electric cost that's about to skyrocket to repair from all the equipment not being able to handle the sustained load. 3. The cost of having "licensed elechickens" installing all this stuff in your home to charge this stuff. 4. The odd simutanius occurence of state and local governments eliminating your ability to generate your own electricity. 5. The rabbit hole of control your various levels of government is going to have to wield in order to make this work while profiting from this both personally and professionally.
"When you press the accelerator to the floor, tens of thousands of parts in the car come to life, yes, just for you. They play a beautiful symphony under the command of the internal combustion engine, like a harmonious orchestra. The roar of the engine is the crescendo of this concert, incomparable to the electromagnetic sound of electric cars. I don't like the quietness of electric cars, for quiet is meant for the dead. In the embrace of a gasoline car, life continues with each jump of the spark plug, pulsating like a heartbeat, powering your journey. Look at that driveshaft, a crystallization of human wisdom, transmitting power and taking you to unknown places. That spark plug, the heart of the internal combustion engine, each ignition is a leap of life, a crystallization of the engineer's wisdom. The entire internal combustion engine is like a sculpture at the pinnacle of industry, representing human creativity and indomitable spirit. Driving a gasoline car, we feel more than just the passion of dancing with machinery; we admire the engineering marvels, awestruck by the industrial peak represented by the internal combustion engine. Every press of the accelerator is an intimate contact with the greatness of technology and engineering, feeling the brilliance of human intelligence. Therefore, a gasoline car is not just a means of transport; it is a masterpiece of human industrial art, a symbol of passion and power. Let us cherish this wonderful mechanical world, feel the charm of the internal combustion engine, and make every drive a journey full of music and passion."
Nice video. I just wanted to add a couple notes for clarification. I work in the utility industry. There are two issues with the power generation and supply for EVs. One is simply we don't have the capacity. I know you said this was incorrect in the video, but the US power grid only has roughly a 10% surplus during peak load. And that surplus is not tangible across the entire grid at any one given time. While it would support a sudden spike in EVs, the grid would be in stretched pretty thin in some areas with high population densities and those areas could experience "brown" or "dirty" power outages. These already occur on occasions when the system is stressed by unusual weather conditions such as those seen in California and New York in the past. There is another related issue. Coal fired or liquefaction plants converted to natural gas are dependent on volume and that volume delivery is directly associated with environmental events. In the middle of the winter, during a severe cold snap, a generation plant my need to dip into the reserve to feed the electrical system, but is unable to because they are not able to get the volume due to the residential customers, high volume and distribution operators drawing down the gas supply before it reaches the power plant. This occurred in the midwest in 2021. The volume of gas available was not enough to supply the demand and the states of Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri and parts of Texas had to cycle scheduled blackouts to get the grid back into a stable state. The generation company was forced to mass purchase natural gas that was in storage in order to meet demand at a much higher cost per mmcf. (We knew some folks in OKC that recieved power bills between $3k and $5k for a single month of power, but luckily president Trump issued a state of emergency that allowed the government to subsidize the cost.) Secondly, your recap didn't take into account the infrastructure itself. Transporting the amount of power needed to supply the move to electrical power has been discussed for years, and no one has a sure fire bullet as to what will be needed, and upgrading the current infrastructure could in itself take decades. It's also not economically feasable to upgrade the grid in one step even if you have a good understanding of the future demand because the cost to meet expected demand far exceeds the amount of money the vast majority of operators are capable to generate. I'm not saying that it is an impossible endeavor, just a lot of guys hacking at calculators in a closet trying to get a decent idea as to how much load they will be expecting, and a heck of a lot of money for infrastructure upgrades. Honestly the current EV infrastructure is not much more than those gravity hand gas pumps you find in third world countries at the moment. Imagine what the electrical grid would be required to handle if every gas station you know of only had charging ports. We're talking in the trillions for infrastructure upgrades when we can't even keep our bridges maintained properly. Then there's the lack of taxes for road use ... Third note. Most of the oil that comes into the country is from Brazil. The reason we import is because Brazil has what we call heavy crude. The crude found in Texas, Oklahoma and even Alaska is a lighter grade that takes less refinement, but doesn't have the value of Brazilian crude which is more suitable for producing a broader range of products per volume. I also found your figures a little high there, but I'm only familiar with onshore wells. Most wells, even frack wells can produce for years with hardly any emissions. More emissions are generated off the coast of California and Florida daily in naturally occurring releases. Things decompose, gas and oil are created. It's a natural process regardless of what the environmentalists want to say. I'm not saying that our dependance is a good thing, but I find a lot of times that these numbers are heavily skewed, or in the case of power generation, white lies to draw new avenues for revenue generation. Clarkson did some research on the creation, processing and shipping of lithium batteries used in the Prius. His findings were that the shipping and environmental impact of creating, shipping and assembly in conjunction with use and eventual disposal, generated an equivalent or higher level of emissions over the life of the vehicle then an equivalent gas powered low emission car. I know this was specific to a certain car, but it's also something that should be considered. Does a battery that's shipped 9k miles by a diesel ship create less pollution than a gas powered VW beetle? I can't answer that question honestly. Forth note. Have you ever looked into how we deal with pollution created from creating solar cells and the disposal of wind turbine blades? It should also be considered, especially turbine blades, since well, we can't recycle them in any way and they are piling up. Hydro power, while the cleanest, really causes numerous other issues with the environment. There is no sure fire way to generate electricity today with minimal environmental impact. Those wave generators are interesting though. Just remember, Newton was right ;) Thinking about combustion engines and electrical cars. A plain old metal oil burner can pretty much be recycled from top to bottom. Many of these new EVs are using exotic materials that can't be simply ground down and remelted. We simply don't have a way to deal with the materials currently. Would going to EVs truly solve our problem? Who creates more emissions, a person that buys a fairly low emission oil burner and drives it 200k miles, or a person that buys a new EV every couple of years? If you want to lesson the impact on the environment then there would need to be a stipulation on how long you would be required to retain that EV or have a buyback program to ensure the vehicle remained in service long enough to meet some desired degree of acceptable pollution. We would also need to formally tax, and tax heavily, the power utilized in the charging process to pay for emergency services, roads and infrastructure. There are also other things that people don't consider what about possible electrical shock for police, fire and EMTs? What about training firefighters to deal with the battery cells and the special equipment they will need. If a battery cell is ruptured it could set off a chain reaction that can't be extinguished for days. Top Gear's Richard Hammonds wreck with the Rimnac is a good example. It burned, self reignited and was extinguished continuously for 5 days. An EV fire is a scary thing and currently there are not enough fire departments with the training and equipment to deal with resin, exotic material and large scale lithium battery fires. At any rate, I think that the video was well put together and thought out. I definitely can't fault you for missed points because this is a massive undertaking that we are forcing into motion. I imagine I'll be long gone before everything is sorted out, but I have found the whole thing intriguing to watch. A good friend once said to me "we are all in it together". As I get older I realize just how correct he was when he said it.
All of these issues you raise can be solved though. Just like there were many issues and problems with extracting fossil fules from the earth, we have come leaps and bounds with that. The same can happen with renewables. Just needs more R&D and for big fossil fuel companies to get out of the way and let it happen.
The number of likes under your comment really reflect how narrow-minded most people are. Rather than reading a slightly longer comment which contains valuable information, they ignore it and look for something shorter and easier to read. Always looking for the quick fix won't get us anywhere.
Thanks for a good read. I would say that we've come a long way with combustion engine in terms of how we manufacture and recycle its parts. Keep in mind that EV is still at its infancy and given the same amount of time that combustion engine had matured; EV's battery component will find its way to be more efficient and sustainable. Keep using the same technology just because it works is what stifles innovation. Remember there was a thing called the steam engine that came before the combustion engine.
Great explanations. However, at 8:42 in the video, what you showed as emissions from an electric power plant was actually steam from the cooling towers of a nuclear power plant. This steam is no radioactive, but rather it is isolated from any radiation. A lot of people mistakenly show cooling tower steam as scary "smoke" when in fact it is quite the opposite, as nuclear power plants emit very low CO2. They are the type of power plant we should want more of until this nuclear fusion power is figured out.
Yep Americans are very ignorant when it comes to True clean plentiful, affordable and safe energy. France has 75% Nuclear energy, we can learn a lot right there.
Why did this make me laugh! Though to be honest, I'd probably buy a Ridgeline over a regular pickup truck, cuz as much as I love regular pickups, I truly have nothing more than the regular IKEA run or occasional jaunt to the dump, and that'd be a waste of a good truck, IMHO.
@@lego4virgo During the recession of 2008 my family could only afford one car so we used a ram 3500 as a grocery getter, wasn't all too bad other than trying to park.
I really like my 2019 Honda Ridgeline! The vehicle is super practical. Spare me the "it's not a real truck", "not a body on frame", and "the towing is a joke" comments. First off, it has a truck bed and is registered as truck. Second, body on frame does not make it a truck. That's delusional. Finally, 5000 towing is really not that darn low. Yes, it is the lowest of the category, but it is just as much as the midsize trucks of the late 1990's. It also compares fine to the around 6700 towing of other midsize trucks. The Ridgeline's payload is fine, so for many tasks you'll be handling the same trailer. Very few people are buying another midsize truck because they actually need a minimal bump in towing.
Solid video. Few pointers: 1. You have ignored the copper impact in production. You need 6 times the copper compared to a combustion engine. 2. The grid can handle it is a stretch. Granted, you talked about US, but last year we have seen that electricity production is not as robust as people thought. Europe has been struggling and electricity was close to being rationed. The cost also went through the roof. 3. Refineries pollute a lot, but you can’t just credit that to petrol cars; many other things are produced from refined products, which are also used in EVs (plastics, lubricants etc). 4. Batteries showed big issues in very cold conditions like there were this winter, turning the vehicles useless (i guess that lowers their carbon output 🤣). I’m sure EVs still hold an edge if you account for these things, but that edge becomes smaller. That edge also greatly depends on where the EV is being operated in.
Let's add: 5. EVs have faster tyre wear (because torque and weight). Microparticles from tyres go to earth and water, this is a less known form of pollution but is also related to a variety of deseases. 6. 2023 Research suggest that current litium production is not enough to electrify all US by year 2050 (assuming current battery technology).
@@thomasmichaelctan Says who? When was this decided and agreed upon by consumers? Demand will decide what is produced. You can’t force an energy transition. It has to be feasible to do so.
Consider this. Anti-freeze coolant, engine and transmission oil, gasoline and oil companies drilling and spilling oil on the ground and in the oceans. Please remember all the super tanker and off shore oil spills and clean up. EV batteries are constantly updated and soon will be made of sodium. And last over 500 miles on a single charge
That brings us to the issue of energy density. The Million Mile battery exists, but as I understand it, the lower energy density means the battery has to be bigger and heavier, making it a lot less likely that these batteries will be used in cars intended for private use or for long distance travel. You might see them in taxi cabs and city based courier vans though.
Check out “the limiting factor”, he’s put out some great videos recently detailing what is likely to be presented at battery day. I think you’ll find that energy density will go up not down.
SO true Adam! Tesla is already making their batteries to last 500k miles, people just dont know, they just want to hate electric vehicles for some reason.
yeahbuddy92193911 cuz they have no soul, sure they are fast but thats only part Of the equation, also i dont want to wait 4-8 hours for a charge thats why ppl hate on the or should i say car guys.
"Engineering Explained" has a similar video crunching the numbers. My master's thesis back in 2002 was on something similar. As much as I like ICE and rowing the gears, you have to accept the facts that EVs are cleaner - and pretty damn fast...
@@Phrancis5 The science will get there eventually, and I think gas/diesel engines will have a place for a very long time whether it's for collection or efficiency reasons.
Don't forget to include longevity and end of life cycle recycling like this video did. I doubt electric cars are going to get to a 200k mile life cycle average like an ICE car. Seeing how no battery that i am aware of lasts linger than around 10.
@@mantis_toboggan_md Sure, ICE will always be around in certain applications, but vast majority of the commuting public would be better served with EVs.
Funny thing about your electric grid point. Overall the US might be fine but some localities will have issues. CA recently was telling people to refrain from charging their cars to prevent blackouts.
@@Cody-cs9hj true - but it’s also true that the only thing coming out of coal cooling towers is steam as well. Basically: pictures of cooling towers that look like that are dramatic (mostly because of their association with nuclear) - but they are not where the pollution comes from…
Exactly they both even out to basically the same amount of damage but in different ways. So yeah I'm fitin to walk everywhere as well.(I know it's a joke I just said that because they're both ok)
Bicycle is way more efficient than walking. It does require manufacturing, but since you are the engine, you have to consider how much breathing you do during the walk vs. riding the bicycle to compare the carbon footprint implications.
Let's see...My batteries must have a recharge. I am waiting in line for the charger and I am ten cars back. Each charge takes about 10 hours. So one hundred hours later I may have a recharge. During the wait time it was either hot or cold and I had no heater or air conditioner. Can't wait to get a battery car!!!
Grass would be a great start as well, like the Green Walls in china and africa. Trees are great, grass is easier and makes the soil more fertile and structured for the trees
It’s the first time ever I watch a video on the subject that talks also about emissions from oil drilling and refinement! I think it’s my favorite video of the year! Thanks!!!
You're right! Also they don't talk about major loss like oil spills, refinery fires, gas station fires, etc. You can google the pictures and you rarely see duplicated events. That's without the wildlife being effected by it too
@@jakecole7447 How much energy is used to recycle it? Meaning reprocess the material for reuse in a new battery? Sometimes recycling process can be very energy dense. I would also be more worried about the lithium, as the countries that get it out of the ground follow virtually no environmental regulations. Which would be going against the idea of the whole thing. But what do I know, I am addicted to the sound of 20 plus psi going through an ICE
Nuclear is one of the best and least polluting forms of energy production. Wind and solar and many if not most "clean" energy sources are simply not viable as mass energy production. Its sad that nuclear has such a stigma attached to it because it solves so many issues
When he started pointing out how dirty the extraction and production of oil really is for the environment, I knew it was really unbiased. What a freaking solid video, everyone should watch it.
Geologist here! Both lithium and cobalt mining are EXTREMELY archaic, and even if technology improves it still will require huge amounts of water to first dissolve the lithium and cobalts salts to extract them from the ground. In the same vein that the infamous fracking, lithium mining is very bad for the environment (not everything is CO2 emmisions), specially if done poorly. And unless we get REALLY good at recycling all the elements in a battery (specially rare earths), i don't see it as a long term solution for all transportation. It's a nice stopgap and more healthy than gas but nowhere near as "clean" as hidrogen cells could be. Why those aren't being researched more even if today they are far away from profitability is anybody's guess.
@@khalilrahme5227 i think you can send DMs somehow via RUclips? This is just my silly account so i don't have a page or anything associated to it. And regarding your question, sadly my expertise is on extraction, the completely opposite side of a battery life. But what i can tell you is that even a small AA battery can pollute several liters of water if it ends on a landfill. Therefore, today one shouldn't just throw any battery to the garbage, but always try to recycle them. Some heavy metals like cadmium and lead found in them can be very harmful for humans. With that said, without government incentives, people and companies in many countries just don't have any will to recycle and simply don't do it. So countries like India are environmental train wrecks while others with government programs like the U.S are better off, but still far away from sustainable levels. Since lithium and other materials used in batteries are non renewable like fossil fuels, they could suffer the same fate in some centuries. That's why i call it a good stop gap but not an ultimate solution.
@@firstjohn26 the funny thing is...that in 2020 you could! The only problem is what would kill your first: the cost of runnig it or the radiation poisoning? ^^
Also interesting: If the number of gas cars is reduced, the number of oil ships is reduced by far. With hat, some of the worst polluters in the world get reduced. Thanks for the great content!
@@valentinmoeller No they will switch, the amount of EV minerals that are shipped today are peanuts compared to what will come in the future when they only make EVs
I really liked this video, but I feel you didn't take these issues into account. 1. Second Hand Market: Today, ICE vehicles have a huge second hand market. In a lot of these cases, it's better to keep that old car going instead of building a new one. Now your issue with an EV is that by the time it's old enough to be flipped second hand, the battery now needs replacing and will destroy all the carbon "credit" it built up during it's lifetime. 2. New Issues: The climate issues from Lithium batteries are unlike anything else we've seen so far. No government agency is prepared to face the full consequence of millions of discarded lithium batteries every year. 3. Disposal: Speaking of waste, battery disposal also emits a ton of CO2 (unlike ICE vehicles where the metal can simply be melted and re-used in a new car, lowering production CO2). If not dealt with carefully (which incidentally also emits some CO2), this will cause even more climate issues (forget just CO2, Lithium when not dealt with properly can absolutely destroy natural habitat).
Uncle has a 69 C10, 59 Fairlane and a 48 Chevy truck. I am looking for either a Square Body C10 or 80's Bullnose F150 if I can't get one of those then it's the 90' OBS Chevy or Ford currently I have a 90's Corolla as a gas saver that I will keep.
Yeah, personally I reckon nuclear is the way to go. I’m not exactly an expert, but last I read, they’re far safer than common belief, and leave less waste than renewables. Plus as LegendStormcrow said, there are new generation plants that are looking to recycle fuel. But yeah, fossil fuel power definitely needs to go.
@@LegendStormcrow pretty sure your thinking of breeder plants. They are fucking awesome but are banned because part of their process involves highly enriched uranium, aka the bomb stuff so the US didn't like that
They are more dangerous than solar, at least in theory. If a plant goes critical, that's an entire territory uninhabitable. But the odds of failure are so insignificant, that only intentional cock ups can even provide catalyst for disaster. The power they produce vs the risk is so overwhelming, it only makes sense to build more. But god forbid we give more Americans high paying jobs with genuine responsibilities. EPA would be all but paper pushing.
"The power grid cannot handle the growing number of EVs. FALSE!" Is that why California asked residents not to charge their EVs? Oh, and California has the highest percentage of renewable energy in the country by state. So...yeah...that's not exactly a myth.
@Jason_LeCrown nuclear power plant is very risky and the chemical have a half life of 2.3 million years which means it will pollute the entire ocean for more than 2.3 million years
We're hopefully gonna see nuclear fusion in the next decade or so. Which is going to be an amazing step forward in nuclear energy. Environmentally speaking!
What’s interesting is that the really large dump trucks actually are not propelled by gasoline(diesel)at all. They use massive electric motors. However they do have just these tiny little/gigantic gasoline generators onboard to provide electricity to the motors. Haha. I believe it’s the same with trains. They need the electric motors because they are easier to control and I think more powerful too than ice propelled machinery. Anyway! If only you could find a way to supply the electricity to these already electric pieces of machinery. It would be a massive power draw though. 🙁 this is 2020! We gotta find better solutions.
Whilst looking into this have you looked at the comparison of the impact of a new EV produced this year versus keeping a 10 or 15 year old ICE on the road - I would imagine (but don't have the figures) keeping a well maintained existing ICE car on the road is far better then the production of a new car
That applies to just about all vehicles even ones with pretty average fuel economy, if the enviroment is the primary concern keeping your existing car is better than getting a new one
Donut’s math: an ICE car puts out 5.2 MT of CO2 per year, an EV 2MT. So 3.2 MT/yr reduction for EV. Now, it takes 9MT of CO2 to produce an electric car. So, if you have your ICE car destroyed and buy a new EV, in three years you have worked off the 9MT of CO2 it took to produce (9/3.2=2.8) and from then on you are producing 60% less CO2 every year (worst case) than your old ICE car. So, buy the new EV. And consider getting one with a smaller battery, such as a Model 3 standard range, as they cost less and have a smaller battery so less CO2 to produce. This means the CO2 break even calculation is even shorter, about 2 years.
Hey guys I felt this was an important video for us to make, and I'm really glad you guys like it. We've covered a lot of different cars on this channel and talked to a lot of owners, and the one thing that unites them all is the desire for MO POWAH BABEH! So no matter how your car makes its power, you're welcome in the Donut community. - Nolan
Hi! Do you have any sources that you can share about the amount of CO2 produced when producing an ICE car? Thanks!
Hey Donut crew! I was wondering if you guys could cite your sources for more controversial/political videos like this?
Looks like a bright future!
Cool video Nolan. Super informative and maybe now people will know that EV vehicles aren't as clean as they think. That they'll stop being smug and pretending their doo dont stink lol. The one thing that I feel got left out, is where EV vehicles get there energy from. All power plants have their downsides. Solar and wind power isn't as clean as you think it is. Look into it. I don't want to destroy our beautiful planet, but I'm really tired of misinformation about "clean" energy.
can i just say they should instead of making new cars, just re fit them with batteries
dude really stood in front of a green screen just so they could make him stand in front of a blue one
But look how evenly blue it is
I was thinking the same..
Uzi Corndog content Brua 😂 lol good point
Wayed K there is a fold in the screen on the bottom right it only shows when he puts a shadow on it
Did you know that blue screens exist
"turning gas into noise. Im going to get that tattooed on me someday." may i recommend the lower back area?
😂😂😂
😆🤣💀
And we can all call it a "champ stamp".
Amazing! Haha
Good one... Hahahahaj
I just realised that my friends presentation for school is the exact same, word-for-word, as this video. Lol
Lmao, smart man
@@genericjohn972 umm, you may want to read that comment again. I think it means something more than that guy is "just smart"...
@@hueyrosayaga I'm pretty sure there isn't more to his comment. Maybe there is and I'm not seeing it, idk
@@genericjohn972 if he said it word for word doesn't that mean that he copied it ? (Probably)
@@fatblunt3210 Ahh, you've failed to see why it was smart of him to do this
reality is humanity can emmit much less pollution by having affordable public transportation instead of arguing what car is better
Affordable AND safe. I can't ride any bus, because the drivers are oftentimes just bad and don't slow down for turns🥲
AND also accessible. So many buses have stairs instead of being friendly to wheelchair users at where I live🥲
Nolan: Ugh those frickin chargers
James: MOW POWA BABEHH
Victor Ancelmo lol
DLNAIRWAYS 12 they sounded good too
lol
well limitation was we can do..
Y’all at Donut need to get this guy a higher frame rate camera.
why?
FActs!!!!! His low FPS camera looks so bad lol
@@PeperMintification it's something console plebs like you will never understand.
I bet you think human eyes only work at 15fps.
@@MyOldNameWasTaken or shit pc plebs
Wojciekaz or Mac plebs (this is a self burn)
Hey Nolan, make the hour long episode, we aren’t busy we’re locked in our houses...
Yeah there are more problems with ev's bc when you need to get rid of the batterys they are just sent to an undeveloped country and into landfills and the harmfull stuff in the batteries will ruin the land
Perhaps an episode of Past Gas on this? Would love to see more on this topic from my favorite car guys. And no Nolan, it doesn't matter that I already heard what you had to say about it here because facts be facts.
It's true. Sadly.
Smae
@@smundurornmatthiasson7319 that's why we need to just throw them into the ocean. It's a safe and legal thrill, that the marine life love.
I'd like to see a part B with the end stage of the vehicles. The recycling of the batteries the recycling of the gas motor versiand just would be interesting
you can basically melt an ice engine, and and an ice engine can be used way longer before rendered useless and have to be recycled. so ev probably will lost that comparison.
@@kadrikarakoc807 nope, for a single reason and that is called math. The recycled battery is used for the NEW car, so you are not putting recycling to the equation of the old car but to the equation of the production of a new car. And since recycling old battery is more environmentaly friendly than mining that shit, the new cars from recycled batteries are way less environmentally friendly than ICE :-)
Of course if you throw both cars off the cliff, then obviously EV vehicle will be less environmentally friendly and the whole argument will then be whats worse - old lithium battery in nature or lets say 500 tons of CO2 and poisons in the air.
Recycled burned gas?
@@DjAled4K That is basically Porsche's solution with eFuel. But for eFuel to be produced, you need a massive sustainable energy powerplants.
And that's what's cool with sustainable energy - it's unlimited power. In theory, you can build a massive floating rig stretching 20x20 kms on the ocean covered with solar panels and you can "store" it in the form of H2 which you can use to fuel these cars or use for any combustion needed. No need for batteries. All the power from the solar panels go to electrolytic reaction in the ocean, producing H2 and O2.
Negatives? The sea can get a little bit saltier depending how much of water you take out of it in the form of H2 - but hey, the good thing is you will be returing it back in the form of clouds.
@@orcusdei you can't recycle the battery because it has already lost alot of charge
"I know you're busy"
Busy being jobless and just watching youtube all day long.
eurosonly I got you up to 69 nice
@@Xsonic378X Hop in we're gonna go find who asked
@@salvadorvazquez7291 I did. Any problem?
Salvador Vazquez who tf said you could talk?
@@evofake "I did. Any Problem?"
0:02 damn it sounded like Nolan was about to spit some fire for a second there
Everytime it blows my mind
These RUclips comments out of line.
Nolan: those freaking Chargers
Also Nolan: nothing matches a V8 turning gas into noise 😂
have you heard of the 671 detroit mate?
because the detroit engines are pure heavenly noises
His car is warranted and the excessive noise outside is not. Like how bikinis in public are warranted when you’re wearing them but underwear is not. Warranted. Consent.
Sounded like a 5.0
Hahaha
I think you haven't installed a proper ice (in car entertainment) in your ice car. Ev's can produce any type of noise/muzik, on demand, any volume, etc with an aftermarket kit. All that whilst no emissions to burn your beloved/nonbeloved one's lungs if you please. Plus there's a new segment of aftermarket kits that can be devised just like the good old ice rice cars 😆
Excellent breakdown of the pros and cons of EVs. One big issue I see with them is that they’re still not affordable enough for most people even with a tax credit. And on top of that a lot of people don’t have access to charging because they live in an apartment. Someday it’ll get there when the technology matures but not yet.
I just bought a used bolt with a fresh battery replacement for 18k. After the 4k I'll get back from the tax rebate, that's only 14k. Very affordable.
@@mattpierson6100 wow that is a good deal. Hard to get a decent car for that price. How did you find that? Does that price include the new batteries or did you have to pay separate?
@@mattpierson6100 And, with the cost of a new battery pack, the car becomes like a bic lighter. Just throw it away and get another one once the pack cacks.
I think the ice market is setting the price trends. The average new car in the US is ~$45,000, and seeing bottom of the market cars on the road is rare. People complain about the prices but still very few buy the budget option.
@@JSchroederee yeah that may be true but I wouldn’t consider that affordable. I know lots of people finance way more car than they should and blowout their budget with the payment. And I suppose I should also admit that affordable is relative. I bought my Subaru new in 2015 for 26k. Now the same model and trim would be 30k. For my friend affordable meant buying a used Chevy truck for 10k. While for most people in my area affordable means an Altima or a very used old car like an Impala or similar. And you’re right you don’t often see the cheapest new cars on the road, which I guess proves your point about the trends and mine about financing
Nolan: "I know you're busy---"
Me: I clicked on this video because the opposite is the case
Dylan-James Sercy same
That is the joke
And then was wrong?
Finally, something educational and entertaining to do for school
Facts
Ya facts
BUT! He hasn't taken into account that the lithium car batteries can be recycled. What is the emissions for a recycled battery for a recycled electric car? hmm?? hmm?? Recycling is in it's infancy along with eletric cars, and they can already recycle 80% of every battery. In the future it will be 20% mining and 80% recycling, so the footprint would be lower from the outset. Who knows the, in the future it could become 100% recycled, and there would be no more mining.
Ikr hair product is a really good idea!!
But MO POWAH BABEH is the most educational thing I've ever learned
Nolan: I know you're busy
*100k views in 2 hours
Everyone: Yeah not really that busy
Also, partly because it's Nolan, not one of these new guys with no charisma.
The dude modding the miata is ok too.
No matter which is less damaging to the environment, a brand new EV or a brand new ICE car, I still firmly belive that the MOST enviromental thing you can do as a car owner and driver, is keep an old car running for as long as possible, the production of new cars is responsible for quite a large chunk of the emissions no matter how you spin it!
The new e-fuels in development has all the good characteristics like regular gas.
With the difference that these e-fuels do not consists out of any fossil components, and it's also emission free.
And the good news is, that any existing car can drive on these e-fuels with just a small adaptation to the engine.
This will be the future.
It's clear now by a lot of people, dead the electric car is a dead end.
This is also the reason why sales are so low.
It's also obvious when you look arround you, or in traffic.
If you see a parking lot with 100 cars, at best you will be seeing 3 to 4 electric cars.
So i'll will be sticking to my own car.
@@opoxious1592the closest thing we have to an e-fuel is hydrogen gas, but the fuel cells are so massive that it leaves barely any space in the actual car. They’re also not very efficient, so you won’t see any car going more than 250 miles on a hydrogen powered engine. Additionally, these cars are very slow, having abysmal acceleration and terrible top speed. EVs on the other hand, do not have any of these flaws.
Of course this may change in the future, but as of now EVs are far superior
@@omegastudios-minecraft1865 It's not hydrogen gas.
It's a synthetic liquid that is colorless, and the car is filled up just like a regular car.
It's like gasoline, but it's not made out of crude oil.
So it don't need any special "fuel cells" or anything.
@@opoxious1592 ah cool, I just looked it up. This could be a very nice solution to our carbon emissions, but I’m just worried about the price. Experts say that by 2026 prices will go down to 7.57 dollars per gallon, which is notably much more expensive than gasoline. On the other hand, electric is far cheaper than both gasoline and Porsche’s eFuel. Electric is probably still the way to go, at least for now
@@omegastudios-minecraft1865 The prices will eventually will go down, when they are able to mass produce it on a large scale.
So what you say is right, that in the beginning it will be above the avarage price comared to gasoline.
Living in countryside: annoying rooster cuckling
Living in city: Dodge chargers ramming the engine
You've not lived in the countryside before have you. People are always speeding down the road on loud as fuck dirt bikes.
@@usa-ye4ob that's not nearly as bad as cars passing by 24/7
jansen in some parts of the countryside, its just as bad as living next to a major highway. Yeah, you get moments of quiet, but other times, it seems like every time you want to read a book or take a nap or enjoy the peace and quiet, everyone in the county loads up their 4 wheelers, dirt bikes, and their Blazers/Broncos/Tacomas/Jeeps/Subarus/Trackers that ALWAYS seem to have an exhaust that needs to be fixed, or they took the mufflers off of completely because the damn thing isn’t street legal anyway, and head over to your stretch of the woods or your part of the dirt road to get loud and stupid. It gets old. And if they are on public property or public roads while they do it, cops do nothing about it, so you just have to live with it.
@@butkusfan23 oh I get it. Well in the Netherlands everything that's sort of fun is illegal so we can't do anything like driving motorbikes four wheelers etc. In the woods without getting the cops called. So it's really quiet here.
@@jansen7640 well here's the deal its illegal here too but that's what makes it fun and our cops are very lazy here if you're out in the country you're gonna get caught by a sheriff and they'll probably just want a beer.
Nolan: “that’s if they drive the national average of 11,800 miles per year.”
Me: laughs and cries in 30k plus a year...
Laughs in 47kmi/yr
You're a homosexual
I have yet to meet someone that does less than 25k a year
Draconic that’s literally the same as 30k in miles...but go off.
@@levilloyd74 47 k(thousand) miles per year
Imagine this was the first Donut video someone ever watched and saw a shirtless guy saying ‘mow pawa babhe’ they would have no idea 😂
That's me right now.
@@_-HaKooNa.MaTaTa- basically more horsepower/stronger turbocharger or a bigger engine (like the 6 pack) and anything that powers up the livelihood of a car has more power or moh powah babah.
thats me xD
@@falcon1378 Oh lol
Watch their older content so you guys can get up to speed on Donut.
Hoping Porsche is successful with their alternate fuel source so we can keep engines for longer
Amen to that
Amen
Amen
Best way to combate climate change is to keep using the same car for longer
Hopefully the fuel cell works
Wonder how will the numbers compare then
Day 1: Asking donut media to do an up to speed for Toyota Century.
William Sampson Ayy that’s what I was gonna say
What about za Toyota Crown?
or a B2B
Yeah but james already said you have to be more creative than asking every day for it since someone did it for the lexus episode
@@user-zc2hz3yj2k agree, i have a toyota crown and it is awsome
Can we give this man props for how he explains things. He makes it so easy to understand what he’s talking about!
He deliberately omitted the part where there are massive factories all over the world that have to recycle the batteries. If he was good and unbiased at explaining this topic, he would have explained the *massive* amounts of cO2 that those facilities produce. The omission of that information turns this video into nothing but propaganda.
Also, the replacement of the battery packs in the cars. EVs have a much longer lifespan than ICE vehicles due to having far fewer moving parts, so people replace the battery packs in their vehicles instead of buying a new car when the batteries no longer hold an acceptable charge. This means that the cO2 production of the batteries is already at least double per BEV than what he's claiming.
@@ayoungtricknamedjim5498 Yes, he never covered what happens to dead batteries and cost of replacing them! My cell phone battery replacement is expensive so I can’t imagine how much it would cost for a car.
@@DH-gp3gp and your cell phone probably has a bigger carbon footprint than your refrigerator.
@@ayoungtricknamedjim5498 and notice how he didn't give a number for the c02 emissions from lithium or cobalt mining? Judt the ethical thought. 17 metric tons for a big EV, plus atleast 2 tons per year? So 37 tons for 10 years? You're getting up there with ice vehicles, and that's not including replacing the battery or from what I here the additional maintenance of EVs, I hear the tires need to be replaced more. And in an electrical world you still need to take into account the emissions from manufacturing solar panels and wind mills, mining for copper or processing recycled copper... I want to do more research on coal emissions vs oil refining. I thought I read that coal is worse, not sure if it takes into account refining of oil or just burning gas. And there is still energy loss in transporting power. Good luck mining lithium, or copper, or anything heavy with an electric power CAT truck. Most likely will have a low range when it comes to hauling or towing heavy material, which means more charging, and therefore more c02 emitted, whether from coal or manufacturing of solar panels, wind mills, hydro power systems. And more solar? = less room for trees and grass that love c02. Not all solar is just on roofs or pavement... edit: and i also read that mining for uranium emits c02, and heating up your home with electricity is tough vs gas, sooo you're probably going to need more juice, therefore more mining and c02 emissions. They say it's just water vapor, but doesn't water vapor heat the earth? And then you're just taking water from resources around you and speeding up that process that's supposedly already happening in our "warm" world. Just like digging for oil and speeding up that process...
@@toomuchgyal9083 these are the thoughts that are good to ponder. Everyone should be researching this stuff instead of having the EV narrative force-fed and blindly accepting it.
One thing I'd mention is that H2O/water vapor actually *cools* the air. Once it reaches a couple of feet from the exhaust pipes, it has a cooling effect :)
Nolan: *damn charger*
Me when I see a charger: *REV IT*
Me: SEND IT
EXACTLYYYYY!!!!
V6 charger sounds
Watching this 2 years later and I have a few comments:
I think you did a really good job looking at this from an unbiased perspective, however I think you missed out on a couple important points.
1. The batteries on EVs wear out. These batteries will need to get replaced multiple times throughout the life of an EV. Judging by the fact that the majority of EV emissions come from the battery manufacturing process, I feel like accounting for this would change the numbers a lot. These batteries don't last nearly as long as reliable gasoline engines, which can run for hundreds of thousands of miles with no issues.
2. The power grid concern you denoted as a myth actually has a lot of merit. There was a recent heatwave in California. Because of this,home owners tend to use more electricity on air conditioning. This alone was enough for the state of California to request their residents not to charge their EVs because they couldn't provide enough power to do so. They also requested residents to set their thermostats to 78 degrees or higher in order to conserve power. This is ridiculously hot and not at all a reasonable request.
I was going to point out the same thing with the electric grid downing/restrictions in CA! A lot more work would have to be done to prepare the electric grids for electric cars.
The other thing that wasn't noted was the reduced battery function in colder states or countries like Canada, where everything east of British Columbia is a frozen tundra for 4-5 months of the year. That harsh weather is going to kill the battery life & efficiency and cause even more frequent replacement, and that's just based on basic use of the vehicle, not counting the fact that you NEED the heat on and that's going to burn more battery power. So many factors to consider...
That's a great point but there have never been a shut down of the power grid in California and probably never will be. They do warn there might be certain areas that get shut down for a while but it's not the like the entire grid would ever be shut down. To this day California had never had the grind shut down as mass. Texas on the other hand is another can of worms.
@@ricksilvas855 not a total blackout but a brownout warning for 10 straight days that prohibited normal life and transportation for those with EVs
@@notDestroyer lol that's not true at all... what city or cites are you talking about? I have not experienced and power outages due to demand ever here in my city.
We need sail cars.Sail cars are the future.
No powah baby!!!!
😂😂😂
Landsurfing is already a thing, so why not bring it to the roads?
Raghav Varma You can do Sailouts..😝
😂
BLOW POWAH BABEH
Then for people where wind isn't a thing, they can use urine. Its free we all have it.
“ I know you’re busy and ya ain’t got time for that” Thicc boi we all at home rn
People: Co2 emissions; Carbon footprintm child labour
Cars: V10 go brrrtrtrttt Nyaaaaooooommmm
Does your EV sound this good, hippie?
*happy carbureted V8 noises*
what?
Old boomers: noo you can't make an SUV get to 60mph in under 3 seconds
EVs: EVs go eeeeeeee
V10 is better
haha Cars go vroom vroom
I greatly appreciate your effort to cover this subject fairly - I am also a Mustang guy, 1999 six here - I do find myself thinking of the huge detriment to the environment when huge fires are created by electric vehicles, including burning down whole houses, as in the hurricane area recently - where as soon as water hit the bottom of the car, the whole house was set afire. All of these emissions are not filtered in any way. Also, when parking garages collapse due to the weight of ev's - these are huge problems that must be addressed, and as for the electrical grid, it has been ignored for so many years. We have not even "hardened it" to protect against solar flares and weapons, which would not be that terribly expensive to do. We have been told NOT to charge EV's at times, old condo complexes like mine do not have the power to support chargers, and this is a common problem throughout the world. We have been told for years we MUST use much less electricity, yet now we are supposed to get rid of gas appliances (pushing their load onto our fragile grid) and gas cars. Yet in case of emergencies such as wildfires, we need to be able to quickly get home and evacuate, we will not have the time to waste charging the electric car - even if the power supply was still working. In our condo complex, built in 1967, we have 40 amps going into each condo - thats it! If we remove our gas wall furnaces, it will take a major amount of electricity just to keep somewhat warm. And gas range.
"this could've been an hour long video"
-me, and everybody else on Coronacation: yeah. Thanks for cheaping out
When do we get nuclear-powered muscle cars
Oh yeah. I want to see the nuclear explosions whenever they crash.
@@paulgoogol2652 Even if those cars had their own nuclear generator in them (more likely they'd be electric and charged by a nuclear grid), they wouldn't explode. They'd melt down. You'd just have a smoldering lump of steal emitting gamma rays for thousands of years! XD Stop being so dramatic!
I'm getting fallout vibes
Fallout timeline... I guess 2254? :D but they are fusion based... you CAN blow em up though!
@@JasonS42 if ur not joking ill tell ya its a joke
This video explains CLEARLY and more satisfying to watch than any other videos that I've watched so far related to this matter! Kudos!
I've shared the shit out of it to my PetrolHeads
Well done. A couple of things to add...companies like Redwood Materials are recyling over 90% of battery materials today. Also, LPF chemistry batteries are becoming more popular. They use lithium but not cobalt, which addresses the concern about child labor for at least that metal.
Don't worry child labor is prevalent on a multitude of other global industries... Which might not be so comforting to know
The child labor was for the lithium and the cobalt 😂😂😂
I think you mean "LFP" right?
Cobalt is a byproduct of mining nickel so they're still using those same mines, polluting, and exploiting children. So even if they stop using Cobalt, they're using nickel.
@@lemmyspeaks Child labour does not depend on the type of industry so, by fact, the less materials we use the better. Environmentaly and for child labour also.
* depressed Hemi noises*
Junior Moreno underrated comment
WHEEEEEeeeeee....
*Sad turbo hisses*
Depressive Hemi Noises and Sad Turbo Hisses aren't going anywhere they will be still around over 50-70 years. Fossil fuel will stay and hydrogen is the future, and probably alongside fossil/bio fuel... in Europe companies are already building a lot of hydrogen pump stations.
**sad knocking 3 cylinder noise**
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED IM DOING A SCHOOL PROJECCT MO POWAAHH BABEYY
edit: holy crap thanks for the likes !
Hope the school project goes well!
Weight reduction and weight of the battery will be part of your project
And remember that the force needed to accelerate something is mass times acceleration
So the more the mass the more energy is needed
Plus batteries for cars are at their infancy i think so it's power might get stronger while it's weight can also reduce as time goes on
i’m doing one based on which is better for certain situations. gas or ev
Easy A after watching this
@@NewbyTon Definitely a good point there! Also worth mentioning the emissions and energy required to extract and manufacture some of the materials, alongside longevity/life.
"i know you're busy"
yeah. busy searching for videos to watch on youtube
Haha fr man.
Of coarse, lol
@@abdulgill5013 you're being very coarse
Great video man!
One thing we have to consider here is that EV production technology is still in it's infancy. The process will get more efficient as the economy of scale gets larger. Also, our power grid is something that will get better over time also. On the other hand, you can't just take oil out of the air and put it back in the ground. Once the genie is out of the bottle, it's stuck in the carbon cycle.
well you can. You grow stuff and bury it. think of all the paper waste we are burying in land fills.
One of the dumbest and most common arguments I see is "the power grid can't handle 100% EV's. Checkmate, hippies. Hurr durr."
As if the current grid is this static thing that will be as it is for all of time
The power grid where I live, isn't going to be better. It's simple, most roads are gravel and the ussr still exists on maps were I went to school at. So electric cars? Really? Maybe in the city but everywhere else. Nope.
I'd like to mention that hydrocarbons are also cleaning up. Unknown to many people, the introduction of fracking has significantly reduced the amount of emissions attributed to the USA. There are plenty of startup research companies looking into making hydrocarbons with carbon harvested from the atmosphere, either biologically or chemically. Having your fuel as a relatively inert liquid which is easy to transport and requires specific conditions to ignite, let alone explode, is pretty beneficial. Having your power plant also produce heat is very good in harshly cold environments, not to mention that basically, as long as you can get the engine turning and the fuel isn't frozen, you can start an ICE. Electric batteries, on the other hand, do not fare well at all once you are well below freezing. EVs are inherently heavier too, putting more stress on brakes, tires and roads. I believe repaving highways is not only a big inconvenience and expense for travelers and taxpayers, but involves plenty of emissions as well.
I would place my bet on cleaner oil, not electric vehicles for all these reasons and more. Just because newer tech exists doesn't mean the old is bad. We still use steam turbines all over the place in power generation, even if the heat comes from a nuclear reactor. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Oh yeah, one more thing: Different cars will not make American cities any more pleasant to live in. The solution is fewer cars, and better public transportation. Make downtown cities walkable again.
I am a home builder and we have been putting higher amperage service panels in single-family homes to allow for the use of ev's in the future.
I am literally writing a term paper on this right now.
Whats your opinion on it?
Take a 5 hour break
I did a paper on this a few years ago. Keep in mind battery production carbon emmissions are very over simplified and biased, I sugest you go through the different components of it and come up with an average yourself, there are many papers on this which are more specific and most of them not biased
I also did a project on this last year
I wrote on on the topic this semester too. Really interesting stuff
6:15 props to the editors for making the music perfectly sync with the video it was a satisfying detail lol
I watched that 3 times over lol
Day 113 of asking James to do an Up to speed on his Dad
Same.
Day 113 of seeing this bs
Same👏🏾
2 days ago you said it was day 93...
We can still try
People who have a progressbar on their sponsorships should have a guaranteed place in heaven
8:39 that's a nuclear power plant and the gas coming off the top is just steam. Nuclear reactors are incredibly clean energy.
Until it’s time to get rid of the spent fuel.
@@boataxe4605 spent fuel is a political issue, not a technical one. Using current reprocessing methods we can separate out the fission products which account for over 99% of the radioactivity but only a few percent of the mass. Those isotopes also have very short half lives and only need to be contained for a few hundred years, not 100,000 years. The rest of the spent fuel can be recycled and burnt again. This means a reactor's waste would produce only a few liters of truly harmful waste which can be buried.
@@boataxe4605 Fun Fact. 95% of spent nuclear fuel is still located in powerplant.
Martink9191 Fun fact: Chernobyl is so clean the almost 35 years later people still can’t live there. Another fun fact: Three mile island was only minutes away from suffering the same fate. Fun fact #3 Fukushima.
@KhakiPeach67 Waste fuel is not reactive anymore. It needs 20% to be littlebit dangerous. 80% clean to be used in bombs.
anything that is lower than 0,7 is practically useless. Powerplants uses 3-5% enrichment to produce electricitycy.
What happened in chernoble, wherent actual nuclear explosion. it was steam explosion, that damaged the reactor core.
Well. i put it that way. Put a sealed cettle onto fire. If temperature increases presure inside increases also. In one point cettle can't hold it anymore and it "explodes".
Very same happened in chenoble.
To mutch pushing rods made boiling prodcedure extremly fast. "cettle" could'nt stand the inside presure and blowed up.
How reaction works? Wel it needs water...
Basically you have nuclear fuel. it is harmeles. Add some water and it starts to react.
That was the main problem in chernoble.
If nuclear fuel would made its way to ground water, extremly fast reaction would have been formed.
I’m curious where hybrid or diesel cars sit in all of this.
Connor Hall Hybrid cars are the least efficient: a lot of CO2 is produced during the production of the battery and CO2 is emitted during the life time of the vehicle! Diesel is worse than gasoline because it creates microparticles of polluting agents, which are very detrimental to the public health.
@@andream.464 they have particle filters though
They exist, they're just bigger and ride on rails.
@@andream.464 It really depends on the building year and maintenance. According to Flemmish state broadcaster VRT research 2020 diesels are actually better for the environment compared to their gasoline environment. Indeed it's still true atmospheric gasoline engines are the best, but turbocharged gasoline engines are worse than turbocharged diesels due to the fact they've less filters. Turbos are bad, because they heat up the air so much they literally starting to burn air, or at least the nitrogen part of it. Cars running on CNG are okay with NOx emissions, but worse than diesel with PM emissions. www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2020/01/08/bijna-geen-verschil-meer-tussen-de-verschillende-type-auto-s-di/
These are the stats of new cars. When cars become older, filters become worse. Some owners even remove filters and catalysts to get more performance. With that in mind long-term turbocharged gasoline is better than turbocharged diesel.
I don't know about diesel but I saw in a government report recently that the lifetime impact is lowest for hybrids, even lower than EVs who came second, and gas cars coming in last. I looked for the report again but I can't find it by myself. If you search and find it please link it below so I can bookmark it, thanks lol.
Remove both, use horses again
Oh sh-
Horse farts
Ay smart guy buy a horse call him (or her) a Mustang
@@KTham-li1fe cow farts
You can still have a Mustang lol, only with one HP
Loved the video and the detail. Would prefer citations from your sources in the video (just a visual reference or in the bio would be good). Thanks for the content
Here in California our power grid can’t keep up with our air conditioners.
the irony is that heat is generated in order to provide the power for you to cool down the air. absolutely bonkers.
yeah I wonder whats gonna happen in 2035 when California's 14million cars(2019 stats) are EV's in the middle of summer heatwave
@@Sevenspent bold of you to assume that california will still exist by 2035
@@Sevenspent Yep and they insist on shutting down all their fossil and nuclear base power. I see a lot of power purchasing from Nevada and Arizona in their future.
@@anydaynow01 why would they shut down nuclear power? It’s one of the most efficient and green sources of energy to date. I guess just another reason Cali sucks
James: *tattoos Dodge*
Noaln: FRICKING CHARGERS!
just say fucking
Noaln
Noaln
@@topd7566 *demonetized*
“The average car in the US goes through about 500 gallons of gas per year”
*Laughs in 5.7 hemi*
Lol same
*laughs in 5.0 coyote*
could be worse, could have a SRT10 RAM, or have those all caught fire already?
Get that supercharged 6.2, bruh
Laughs in 7.4 😂 😂 😂 aka 454.
*Laugs in 8.0 W16 Veyron*
Solid State batteries...that should revolutionize energy storage for years to come.
I believe Samsung finally created one that actually works. It's not great but it's a start
Liquid metal batteries will revolutionize large scale grid level storage for renewable energy like solar.
Solid state is a pipe dream.
@thevso i present to you, nuclear.
VwertIX I like nuclear too, but recently I’ve learned that aside from the toxic leftover, which I can overlook since it produces SO much energy and we can store the toxic waste in Lead containers and such. The biggest issue is actually insurance and cost, no one insures Nuclear plants because the possible payout if something were to go wrong is just too much for them. So taxpayers have to insure the nuclear plants. Also the vast majority of plants are not profitable.
I still think we should continue doing research and trying to make it safer so insurance is easier and development costs can also go down.
Man, this is the best video at the best time. Im actually doing a school project about this exact topic. Thx for clearance😂
I did my college report in 2018 about this. We had a minimum 7 minutes of talk time but this topic took me at best 18 minutes to discuss with my backed up sources. Donut needed to bring in source information on screen to make it a bit more credible.
Me too. I did it in Uni. nobody knew about it when asked. I called it conflict minerals. I went from phone to cars, to referencing jewelry. I got extra credit, too. Great topic.
XD When 7 mins. turn into half an hour and no one is yawning that's a great job right there.
Think outside of CO2 footprints. What effect do batteries have on the environment in regards to mining? I'm not speaking on the fuel spent by mining vehicles. Think outside of that. Look at what strip mining does to an area. What cobalt mining does to a community. I want electric vehicles to be something viable. However, concern over the longevity of a battery and its replacement concern me as well. What does it take to reproduce a battery. Again outside the box thinking away from CO2 footprints.
U got school rn?
There are numerous things he got wrong
A subject you did not cover in this video was the lifespan of an EV battery versus the lifespan of an internal combustion engine.
Also what is more green, do something with retired batteries or do something with a huge piece of metal?
Well as we are seeing the life isnt as long.... I see Teslas with 100k miles dying all the time on autotrader. If someone is very meticulous they may get 150k or so, But many gas cars nowadays push 200k all the time.
*Nolan:* I know your busy, you ain't got time for that
*Me:* laughs in quarantine
Mr. Ramirez He said “you’re”
@@yammmit Yer
Adrian G. no, that’s not a word.
@@yammmithow about yonder?
@@Mr.Ramirez95 why you making up words
Oh Nolan, we have plenty time so you can do a hour episode of this since we are in quarantine
Seriously loved this video, glad we can finally put this argument to rest.
Not until another person make this kind of video
I'm sure ev abuse won't end anytime soon
there still a few points that are not covered by the video. like electric semi trucks and if its possible to convert over to them completely. not to mention the oils used in electric vehicles, and if we switched over 100 percent to electric vehicles would it work? for the most part this does get rid of most questions.
Amen
@@brionwreede9989 Also nolan said Lithium extraction pollutes a lot of water, and then he only compared the atmosphere pollution
Why did you calculate the cost of drilling oil but not the mining of coal for power plants or mining of aluminum for wind turbines or processing of silicone for solar panels?
thank you! finally someone with a functioning brain
Because it all works out to about the same lol there's virtually no difference from the mining/extraction, production, life of vehicle, and death of vehicle. With the onslaught of EV's being produced, it's not helping C02 emissions at all.
@T-Will-4554 did you do the calculation? Cause the math is actually one sided here. Ev is much worse than gasoline cars (which also can be converted to alcohol or natural gas)
@@dlzott Did you do the calculation? I would love to see that math. Please enlighten us.
@1974elky google has all your answers, the math is spelled out and clear
Nolan: I know you’re busy
Me under quarantine: 😐 what the f??
"such as wind, solar, and hydroelectric"
BOO free my boy nuclear power!
Although nuclear can be clean and safe, to make it safe is incredibly expensive.
I wouldn't call it the best new power station to build. Especially economically speaking.
(src: ruclips.net/video/UC_BCz0pzMw/видео.html and extensive wikipedia research)
Western Europe (except France): We are going to decommission all our nuclear plants! Long live renewables!
Also Western Europe: They build new coal plants and pipelines to avoid an energy crisis...
Me: *_Why the f***!?_*
it isn't clean
@@DeiKuromu France has now the highest amount of clean energy. Germany planted a million windmills and solar panels. Which kill thousands of birds, destroy enormous pieces of land and make them inhabitable. So you would think Germany is green now? Well, France has like more than twice more green energy, only because of a few nuclear plants. So while France is clean, Germany is mass-murdering birds and other animals.
Nuclear power is not clean and not renewable, it fuckin sucks and is not worth the danger
The power grid can handle it!
*Lives in California confused
According to Engineering Explained, if EVERYONE swapped their cars for EVs it would be an extra 30% draw from the power grid. Most grids could handle that at non-peak load times.
Lol, 30%? That's optimistic.
And here is my $0.50 take on this... to increase the electricity needed for consumption, you need:
1. More hydro electric power to create electricity... dams use up more land space and flood out ecological and productive lands ☹️ that's a no-go
2. You need hectares to produce electricity via solar panels, again reducing prime productive land to create electricity for EV consumption
3. You need hectares to produce electricity via wind farms/turbines... again reducing prime productive land to create electricity for EV consumption
4. Increasing nuclear production to generate electricity needs strict monitoring (remember Love Island / Chernobyl)
Every electricity solution has major impact on the environment so EVs may not be the ideal way to go
forgetting
1. The "high" demand for these they tout is from mandates and regulations. Can't say its demand when its closing in on the only choice.
2. The electric cost that's about to skyrocket to repair from all the equipment not being able to handle the sustained load.
3. The cost of having "licensed elechickens" installing all this stuff in your home to charge this stuff.
4. The odd simutanius occurence of state and local governments eliminating your ability to generate your own electricity.
5. The rabbit hole of control your various levels of government is going to have to wield in order to make this work while profiting from this both personally and professionally.
@@andrewminott7225 sadly Chernobyl didn't have enough rods to stop a reaction to begin with. It was a disaster waiting to happen.
"When you press the accelerator to the floor, tens of thousands of parts in the car come to life, yes, just for you. They play a beautiful symphony under the command of the internal combustion engine, like a harmonious orchestra. The roar of the engine is the crescendo of this concert, incomparable to the electromagnetic sound of electric cars. I don't like the quietness of electric cars, for quiet is meant for the dead. In the embrace of a gasoline car, life continues with each jump of the spark plug, pulsating like a heartbeat, powering your journey. Look at that driveshaft, a crystallization of human wisdom, transmitting power and taking you to unknown places. That spark plug, the heart of the internal combustion engine, each ignition is a leap of life, a crystallization of the engineer's wisdom. The entire internal combustion engine is like a sculpture at the pinnacle of industry, representing human creativity and indomitable spirit. Driving a gasoline car, we feel more than just the passion of dancing with machinery; we admire the engineering marvels, awestruck by the industrial peak represented by the internal combustion engine. Every press of the accelerator is an intimate contact with the greatness of technology and engineering, feeling the brilliance of human intelligence. Therefore, a gasoline car is not just a means of transport; it is a masterpiece of human industrial art, a symbol of passion and power. Let us cherish this wonderful mechanical world, feel the charm of the internal combustion engine, and make every drive a journey full of music and passion."
Nice video. I just wanted to add a couple notes for clarification. I work in the utility industry. There are two issues with the power generation and supply for EVs. One is simply we don't have the capacity. I know you said this was incorrect in the video, but the US power grid only has roughly a 10% surplus during peak load. And that surplus is not tangible across the entire grid at any one given time. While it would support a sudden spike in EVs, the grid would be in stretched pretty thin in some areas with high population densities and those areas could experience "brown" or "dirty" power outages. These already occur on occasions when the system is stressed by unusual weather conditions such as those seen in California and New York in the past. There is another related issue. Coal fired or liquefaction plants converted to natural gas are dependent on volume and that volume delivery is directly associated with environmental events. In the middle of the winter, during a severe cold snap, a generation plant my need to dip into the reserve to feed the electrical system, but is unable to because they are not able to get the volume due to the residential customers, high volume and distribution operators drawing down the gas supply before it reaches the power plant. This occurred in the midwest in 2021. The volume of gas available was not enough to supply the demand and the states of Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri and parts of Texas had to cycle scheduled blackouts to get the grid back into a stable state. The generation company was forced to mass purchase natural gas that was in storage in order to meet demand at a much higher cost per mmcf. (We knew some folks in OKC that recieved power bills between $3k and $5k for a single month of power, but luckily president Trump issued a state of emergency that allowed the government to subsidize the cost.)
Secondly, your recap didn't take into account the infrastructure itself. Transporting the amount of power needed to supply the move to electrical power has been discussed for years, and no one has a sure fire bullet as to what will be needed, and upgrading the current infrastructure could in itself take decades. It's also not economically feasable to upgrade the grid in one step even if you have a good understanding of the future demand because the cost to meet expected demand far exceeds the amount of money the vast majority of operators are capable to generate. I'm not saying that it is an impossible endeavor, just a lot of guys hacking at calculators in a closet trying to get a decent idea as to how much load they will be expecting, and a heck of a lot of money for infrastructure upgrades. Honestly the current EV infrastructure is not much more than those gravity hand gas pumps you find in third world countries at the moment. Imagine what the electrical grid would be required to handle if every gas station you know of only had charging ports. We're talking in the trillions for infrastructure upgrades when we can't even keep our bridges maintained properly. Then there's the lack of taxes for road use ...
Third note. Most of the oil that comes into the country is from Brazil. The reason we import is because Brazil has what we call heavy crude. The crude found in Texas, Oklahoma and even Alaska is a lighter grade that takes less refinement, but doesn't have the value of Brazilian crude which is more suitable for producing a broader range of products per volume. I also found your figures a little high there, but I'm only familiar with onshore wells. Most wells, even frack wells can produce for years with hardly any emissions. More emissions are generated off the coast of California and Florida daily in naturally occurring releases. Things decompose, gas and oil are created. It's a natural process regardless of what the environmentalists want to say. I'm not saying that our dependance is a good thing, but I find a lot of times that these numbers are heavily skewed, or in the case of power generation, white lies to draw new avenues for revenue generation.
Clarkson did some research on the creation, processing and shipping of lithium batteries used in the Prius. His findings were that the shipping and environmental impact of creating, shipping and assembly in conjunction with use and eventual disposal, generated an equivalent or higher level of emissions over the life of the vehicle then an equivalent gas powered low emission car. I know this was specific to a certain car, but it's also something that should be considered. Does a battery that's shipped 9k miles by a diesel ship create less pollution than a gas powered VW beetle? I can't answer that question honestly.
Forth note. Have you ever looked into how we deal with pollution created from creating solar cells and the disposal of wind turbine blades? It should also be considered, especially turbine blades, since well, we can't recycle them in any way and they are piling up. Hydro power, while the cleanest, really causes numerous other issues with the environment. There is no sure fire way to generate electricity today with minimal environmental impact. Those wave generators are interesting though. Just remember, Newton was right ;)
Thinking about combustion engines and electrical cars. A plain old metal oil burner can pretty much be recycled from top to bottom. Many of these new EVs are using exotic materials that can't be simply ground down and remelted. We simply don't have a way to deal with the materials currently. Would going to EVs truly solve our problem? Who creates more emissions, a person that buys a fairly low emission oil burner and drives it 200k miles, or a person that buys a new EV every couple of years? If you want to lesson the impact on the environment then there would need to be a stipulation on how long you would be required to retain that EV or have a buyback program to ensure the vehicle remained in service long enough to meet some desired degree of acceptable pollution.
We would also need to formally tax, and tax heavily, the power utilized in the charging process to pay for emergency services, roads and infrastructure. There are also other things that people don't consider what about possible electrical shock for police, fire and EMTs? What about training firefighters to deal with the battery cells and the special equipment they will need. If a battery cell is ruptured it could set off a chain reaction that can't be extinguished for days. Top Gear's Richard Hammonds wreck with the Rimnac is a good example. It burned, self reignited and was extinguished continuously for 5 days. An EV fire is a scary thing and currently there are not enough fire departments with the training and equipment to deal with resin, exotic material and large scale lithium battery fires.
At any rate, I think that the video was well put together and thought out. I definitely can't fault you for missed points because this is a massive undertaking that we are forcing into motion. I imagine I'll be long gone before everything is sorted out, but I have found the whole thing intriguing to watch. A good friend once said to me "we are all in it together". As I get older I realize just how correct he was when he said it.
Thank you for your comments! It's great when someone who actually understands the topic can explain their perspective.
FACTS! That's what all these folks doesn't want to understand!
All of these issues you raise can be solved though. Just like there were many issues and problems with extracting fossil fules from the earth, we have come leaps and bounds with that. The same can happen with renewables. Just needs more R&D and for big fossil fuel companies to get out of the way and let it happen.
The number of likes under your comment really reflect how narrow-minded most people are. Rather than reading a slightly longer comment which contains valuable information, they ignore it and look for something shorter and easier to read. Always looking for the quick fix won't get us anywhere.
Thanks for a good read. I would say that we've come a long way with combustion engine in terms of how we manufacture and recycle its parts. Keep in mind that EV is still at its infancy and given the same amount of time that combustion engine had matured; EV's battery component will find its way to be more efficient and sustainable. Keep using the same technology just because it works is what stifles innovation. Remember there was a thing called the steam engine that came before the combustion engine.
Great explanations. However, at 8:42 in the video, what you showed as emissions from an electric power plant was actually steam from the cooling towers of a nuclear power plant. This steam is no radioactive, but rather it is isolated from any radiation. A lot of people mistakenly show cooling tower steam as scary "smoke" when in fact it is quite the opposite, as nuclear power plants emit very low CO2. They are the type of power plant we should want more of until this nuclear fusion power is figured out.
Because it looks more imposing then a regular power plant
Yep Americans are very ignorant when it comes to True clean plentiful, affordable and safe energy. France has 75% Nuclear energy, we can learn a lot right there.
Fucking thank you!!!!! I hate that everyone thinks those cooking towers are emitting smoke
Edit: cooling towers
Good point.... In fact, they actually emit water vapour ! That's a misconception which I always try to address during my Physics lessons !
Thank you. I have known this since I was young. Nuclear power is way more efficient and cleaner and last longer.
At the end of the day we are all car guys and we can all agree on one simple fact
Nobody likes Honda Ridgelines
Why did this make me laugh! Though to be honest, I'd probably buy a Ridgeline over a regular pickup truck, cuz as much as I love regular pickups, I truly have nothing more than the regular IKEA run or occasional jaunt to the dump, and that'd be a waste of a good truck, IMHO.
@@lego4virgo I'd rather get a cheap Volvo estate
@@lego4virgo During the recession of 2008 my family could only afford one car so we used a ram 3500 as a grocery getter, wasn't all too bad other than trying to park.
Lol the guys at The Hull Truth forums love beating that dead horse
I really like my 2019 Honda Ridgeline! The vehicle is super practical. Spare me the "it's not a real truck", "not a body on frame", and "the towing is a joke" comments.
First off, it has a truck bed and is registered as truck.
Second, body on frame does not make it a truck. That's delusional.
Finally, 5000 towing is really not that darn low. Yes, it is the lowest of the category, but it is just as much as the midsize trucks of the late 1990's. It also compares fine to the around 6700 towing of other midsize trucks. The Ridgeline's payload is fine, so for many tasks you'll be handling the same trailer. Very few people are buying another midsize truck because they actually need a minimal bump in towing.
Solid video. Few pointers:
1. You have ignored the copper impact in production. You need 6 times the copper compared to a combustion engine.
2. The grid can handle it is a stretch. Granted, you talked about US, but last year we have seen that electricity production is not as robust as people thought. Europe has been struggling and electricity was close to being rationed. The cost also went through the roof.
3. Refineries pollute a lot, but you can’t just credit that to petrol cars; many other things are produced from refined products, which are also used in EVs (plastics, lubricants etc).
4. Batteries showed big issues in very cold conditions like there were this winter, turning the vehicles useless (i guess that lowers their carbon output 🤣).
I’m sure EVs still hold an edge if you account for these things, but that edge becomes smaller. That edge also greatly depends on where the EV is being operated in.
Let's add:
5. EVs have faster tyre wear (because torque and weight). Microparticles from tyres go to earth and water, this is a less known form of pollution but is also related to a variety of deseases.
6. 2023 Research suggest that current litium production is not enough to electrify all US by year 2050 (assuming current battery technology).
"ICE engine" is kinda like saying "PIN number"
Also Like saying atm machine 😂
LPG gas
VIN
@@mundoracer IP Protocol
Chai tea.
If I have to drive an EV to work so I can drive my SS on the weekend I’m fine with that. I like the idea of EV’s but not the limitations.
Yeah. I'd if they are around i just want to be able to still have gasolines newly produced.
This is an underrated comment
This would be nice if by 2030 companies didn't have to stop ICE production on vehicles. What an end for petrol heads. smh
@@thomasmichaelctan Says who? When was this decided and agreed upon by consumers? Demand will decide what is produced. You can’t force an energy transition. It has to be feasible to do so.
By SS do you mean Camaro? Or Commodore? Or something else? Either way, props man!
8:08 The charger got mad because of EV
Consider this. Anti-freeze coolant, engine and transmission oil, gasoline and oil companies drilling and spilling oil on the ground and in the oceans. Please remember all the super tanker and off shore oil spills and clean up. EV batteries are constantly updated and soon will be made of sodium. And last over 500 miles on a single charge
EV: I get instant torque, I'm better for the environment and cheaper on fuel
GV: haha me go brap stu stu stu
"And who do you think's gonna win between [saving money] and [fun]?"-Iraq from watchdogs
@@huntermacdonald6431 fun
SV: you should’ve chose me *sad steak noises* (also advanced steam cars didn’t take long to start)
lmaoo
@@huntermacdonald6431 Saving money, all day and every day. Never underestimate the motivating power of cheap convenience.
Video released one month before Tesla’s announcement of the zero cobalt/one million mile battery.
That brings us to the issue of energy density. The Million Mile battery exists, but as I understand it, the lower energy density means the battery has to be bigger and heavier, making it a lot less likely that these batteries will be used in cars intended for private use or for long distance travel. You might see them in taxi cabs and city based courier vans though.
Check out “the limiting factor”, he’s put out some great videos recently detailing what is likely to be presented at battery day. I think you’ll find that energy density will go up not down.
@@rodh1404 the motors would be fucked before it hits 500k
SO true Adam! Tesla is already making their batteries to last 500k miles, people just dont know, they just want to hate electric vehicles for some reason.
yeahbuddy92193911 cuz they have no soul, sure they are fast but thats only part
Of the equation, also i dont want to wait 4-8 hours for a charge thats why ppl hate on the or should i say car guys.
I just got done writing a essay on this topic and I used the same points and came to the same conclusions as you did. Great video Nolan!
Conred S. writing my currently lol
"Engineering Explained" has a similar video crunching the numbers. My master's thesis back in 2002 was on something similar. As much as I like ICE and rowing the gears, you have to accept the facts that EVs are cleaner - and pretty damn fast...
@@Phrancis5 The science will get there eventually, and I think gas/diesel engines will have a place for a very long time whether it's for collection or efficiency reasons.
Don't forget to include longevity and end of life cycle recycling like this video did. I doubt electric cars are going to get to a 200k mile life cycle average like an ICE car. Seeing how no battery that i am aware of lasts linger than around 10.
@@mantis_toboggan_md Sure, ICE will always be around in certain applications, but vast majority of the commuting public would be better served with EVs.
Funny thing about your electric grid point. Overall the US might be fine but some localities will have issues. CA recently was telling people to refrain from charging their cars to prevent blackouts.
That only mean our power grid is suck and need to be updated. And US is failing behind the rest of the world
And you are not intelligent enough to understand that producing gasoline uses a lot of electricity as well?
Great video! One quibble: please try not to show nuclear cooling towers when you talk about emissions. All that’s coming out of there is water vapor….
Many coal power plants use the same type of cooling tower. We have one near where I live that uses them.
@@Cody-cs9hj true - but it’s also true that the only thing coming out of coal cooling towers is steam as well. Basically: pictures of cooling towers that look like that are dramatic (mostly because of their association with nuclear) - but they are not where the pollution comes from…
Water vapour is still a greenhouse gas
@@hannahbanana9901 yes but it doesn't actually cause the Earth to warm because if there is too much water vapor it condenses into liquid
@@alexeecs
And like co2 its good for the environment.
That comment at the beginning talking about the entire month being 420 had me dead🤣😂🤣😂🤣
had to go back and check wtf you were talking about. lol great work donut team!
So basically I'm gonna have to walk everywhere
Exactly they both even out to basically the same amount of damage but in different ways. So yeah I'm fitin to walk everywhere as well.(I know it's a joke I just said that because they're both ok)
You can also learn how to ride a hourse like ancient times.
@@fpsgamer88 what if you ride 700 horses,that makes you diving hellcat,right?
Bicycle is way more efficient than walking. It does require manufacturing, but since you are the engine, you have to consider how much breathing you do during the walk vs. riding the bicycle to compare the carbon footprint implications.
And don't forget food production is also a big CO2 producer.
Let's see...My batteries must have a recharge. I am waiting in line for the charger and I am ten cars back. Each charge takes about 10 hours. So one hundred hours later I may have a recharge. During the wait time it was either hot or cold and I had no heater or air conditioner. Can't wait to get a battery car!!!
Everyone knows that the BEST car for the environment is the one made by LittleTikes. Kick powered 🔥😂
Perfection
Lol
Who knew The Flintstones were the future?
plastic ? nope
Nick S just because it’s the best doesn’t mean it’s good
The more cars we have, the more trees we should plant.
Grass would be a great start as well, like the Green Walls in china and africa. Trees are great, grass is easier and makes the soil more fertile and structured for the trees
Not needed
Yup totally
Why, why trees?
@@plasmanade green walls, China, Africa… where did you hear that 😂😂😂😂😂😂
It’s the first time ever I watch a video on the subject that talks also about emissions from oil drilling and refinement! I think it’s my favorite video of the year! Thanks!!!
Yip, normal the fuel magically appear at the pump nozzle with zero emissions before it's burned in the engine.
Right?! I have been waiting forever for someone to make that point.
You're right! Also they don't talk about major loss like oil spills, refinery fires, gas station fires, etc. You can google the pictures and you rarely see duplicated events. That's without the wildlife being effected by it too
Damn, I've never seen a video so crappy it neglects refinement etc.
What have you been watching? I'm geniously curious.
I work at dams in the pacific northwest. Saw a tesla plugged into a welding receptacle on the down stream side. Doesn't get cleaner than that haha
I guess other people actually see us car enthusiasts as dominic toreto huh
8:08 RAMCHARGERS!!!
I heard Nascar is going full electric.
They have already started cutting slots in some of the tracks.
I think they're going hybrid first though, stick to a V8 with hybrid tech, then go fully electric
🤣🤣
Lol...epic
An electric car that can reach 200 mph and last long enough to do a FULL RACE? I’ll believe it when I see it.
@@thegamingcashew4304 I mean, Ford already has one
“As time goes on the environmental impact of production will go down…I hope”… I can say the same thing about gas engines.
Cobalt is also used in refining oil for the removal of sulphur.
And it has really high recycling rates when used in batteries & Electronics
@@jakecole7447 infinitely recyclable in fact.
@Manuel Neumann Pretty much all of the EV makers are, for that matter.
Manuel Neumann
Plus: Buying EVs results in more money going to finding new and more enviormently friendly batteries.
@@jakecole7447 How much energy is used to recycle it? Meaning reprocess the material for reuse in a new battery? Sometimes recycling process can be very energy dense. I would also be more worried about the lithium, as the countries that get it out of the ground follow virtually no environmental regulations. Which would be going against the idea of the whole thing.
But what do I know, I am addicted to the sound of 20 plus psi going through an ICE
8:41 - Nuclear power plants does not emit Co2..
Nuclear is one of the best and least polluting forms of energy production. Wind and solar and many if not most "clean" energy sources are simply not viable as mass energy production. Its sad that nuclear has such a stigma attached to it because it solves so many issues
@@MidniteClimax thats true but one big problem is the nuclear waste
We still dont know what to with it and it still radioactive
DerailerMania that being said the energy density is much higher then other mined energy sources such as coal and petroleum
@@Stackali Where do you think uranium comes from?
Andrew Parry mining pits and the ocean
When he started pointing out how dirty the extraction and production of oil really is for the environment, I knew it was really unbiased. What a freaking solid video, everyone should watch it.
I think we can still love cars and understand the environmental damages it causes. I'm sure we all love steak and understand the cardiovascular risks.
*Sad Pumphrey noises*
extraction of natural gas to generate electric power for EVs is no picnic, either. In fact, most of the times they both come out of the same hole.
@youtube spectator people don’t eat stake everyday for the week.
Burt1038
good thing we can use other things besides natural gas.
I don’t hate EVs. I just hate the politicians that are forcing us into them.
Since when are they forcing us? like the only thing that can be considered forcing is a deadline in 20 - 30 YEARS
Geologist here! Both lithium and cobalt mining are EXTREMELY archaic, and even if technology improves it still will require huge amounts of water to first dissolve the lithium and cobalts salts to extract them from the ground. In the same vein that the infamous fracking, lithium mining is very bad for the environment (not everything is CO2 emmisions), specially if done poorly.
And unless we get REALLY good at recycling all the elements in a battery (specially rare earths), i don't see it as a long term solution for all transportation. It's a nice stopgap and more healthy than gas but nowhere near as "clean" as hidrogen cells could be. Why those aren't being researched more even if today they are far away from profitability is anybody's guess.
Hey man I really wanna hear about this more and you seem to know what you're talkin about, any way I could contact you ?
Also, how about the disposal of said batteries ?
@@khalilrahme5227 i think you can send DMs somehow via RUclips? This is just my silly account so i don't have a page or anything associated to it.
And regarding your question, sadly my expertise is on extraction, the completely opposite side of a battery life. But what i can tell you is that even a small AA battery can pollute several liters of water if it ends on a landfill. Therefore, today one shouldn't just throw any battery to the garbage, but always try to recycle them. Some heavy metals like cadmium and lead found in them can be very harmful for humans.
With that said, without government incentives, people and companies in many countries just don't have any will to recycle and simply don't do it. So countries like India are environmental train wrecks while others with government programs like the U.S are better off, but still far away from sustainable levels.
Since lithium and other materials used in batteries are non renewable like fossil fuels, they could suffer the same fate in some centuries. That's why i call it a good stop gap but not an ultimate solution.
In the 1950's they promised us we'd all have a little nuclear reactor under the hood... Adds new meaning to "blown engine"
@@firstjohn26 the funny thing is...that in 2020 you could! The only problem is what would kill your first: the cost of runnig it or the radiation poisoning? ^^
Also interesting: If the number of gas cars is reduced, the number of oil ships is reduced by far. With hat, some of the worst polluters in the world get reduced. Thanks for the great content!
@Dovyz Vierhas yeah but low IQ always search for the negative side without thinking about how it will still work
How do they ship batteries and metals and....?
No, they will just switch to shipping EV minerals
Olle Larsson Oh, I forgot. You need to refill the battery ever day
@@valentinmoeller No they will switch, the amount of EV minerals that are shipped today are peanuts compared to what will come in the future when they only make EVs
Nolan: I know you're busy.
Me: Yeah, busy watching Donut Media's all videos.
I really liked this video, but I feel you didn't take these issues into account.
1. Second Hand Market: Today, ICE vehicles have a huge second hand market. In a lot of these cases, it's better to keep that old car going instead of building a new one. Now your issue with an EV is that by the time it's old enough to be flipped second hand, the battery now needs replacing and will destroy all the carbon "credit" it built up during it's lifetime.
2. New Issues: The climate issues from Lithium batteries are unlike anything else we've seen so far. No government agency is prepared to face the full consequence of millions of discarded lithium batteries every year.
3. Disposal: Speaking of waste, battery disposal also emits a ton of CO2 (unlike ICE vehicles where the metal can simply be melted and re-used in a new car, lowering production CO2). If not dealt with carefully (which incidentally also emits some CO2), this will cause even more climate issues (forget just CO2, Lithium when not dealt with properly can absolutely destroy natural habitat).
All that matters is I love my 1966 Chevy big block 454 :)
That’s right and keep it as long as possible ion wanna go electric 😩
you dont need to leave it.
lets say about 3 years yeah 3 years good old cars come back.
What was in it originally?
@@stevek8829 Straight 6
Uncle has a 69 C10, 59 Fairlane and a 48 Chevy truck. I am looking for either a Square Body C10 or 80's Bullnose F150 if I can't get one of those then it's the 90' OBS Chevy or Ford currently I have a 90's Corolla as a gas saver that I will keep.
I can see it now, a bunch of guys circled around an EV drinking beer and one guy asks “so what kind of battery ya got in this baby?”
That already happens
Why electric motors not interesting to you, it'll whip your ice engine any time day or night and then take its mamma to the pictures
And to make matters worse it does it silently, quickly and didn't give your kids lung disease at the same time
@@mattdavies890 LoL for 100k it better. Btw, the Tesla model S doesnt even break into the top 15 fastest production cars
@@mattdavies890 yeah but I ain’t seen a stock Tesla pull a wheelie so 🤷🏼♂️
5:54 *depressed nuclear power plant noises*
There are nuke plant designs that if implemented would use up most of the "expended" nuclear fuel.
Yeah, personally I reckon nuclear is the way to go. I’m not exactly an expert, but last I read, they’re far safer than common belief, and leave less waste than renewables. Plus as LegendStormcrow said, there are new generation plants that are looking to recycle fuel. But yeah, fossil fuel power definitely needs to go.
Yeah nuclear plans actually turn out to be one of the safest energy sources. Lots and lots of people die in coal mines
@@LegendStormcrow pretty sure your thinking of breeder plants. They are fucking awesome but are banned because part of their process involves highly enriched uranium, aka the bomb stuff so the US didn't like that
They are more dangerous than solar, at least in theory. If a plant goes critical, that's an entire territory uninhabitable. But the odds of failure are so insignificant, that only intentional cock ups can even provide catalyst for disaster. The power they produce vs the risk is so overwhelming, it only makes sense to build more. But god forbid we give more Americans high paying jobs with genuine responsibilities. EPA would be all but paper pushing.
"The power grid cannot handle the growing number of EVs. FALSE!"
Is that why California asked residents not to charge their EVs? Oh, and California has the highest percentage of renewable energy in the country by state. So...yeah...that's not exactly a myth.
My boy forgot to mention Nuclear Power as a clean source.
@Jason_LeCrown because people always look at the negative side and not care about the so many positive side
@Jason_LeCrown nuclear power plant is very risky and the chemical have a half life of 2.3 million years which means it will pollute the entire ocean for more than 2.3 million years
its because of its radioactive waste which makes it a non renewable source
We're hopefully gonna see nuclear fusion in the next decade or so. Which is going to be an amazing step forward in nuclear energy. Environmentally speaking!
People are scared there's going to be an accident like three mile island or chernobyl really though nuclear is safe. Especially thorium reactors.
Nolan: The lithium...
- evanescence has entered the chat
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Nirvana is asking to join
Nolan: mining lithium makes polution
Me: ez. Make electric mining vehicles
Does exactly work like that bro 😂
It pollute water and land resources..not the air..
@@jaytemkar8077 r/woooosh
What’s interesting is that the really large dump trucks actually are not propelled by gasoline(diesel)at all. They use massive electric motors. However they do have just these tiny little/gigantic gasoline generators onboard to provide electricity to the motors. Haha. I believe it’s the same with trains. They need the electric motors because they are easier to control and I think more powerful too than ice propelled machinery. Anyway! If only you could find a way to supply the electricity to these already electric pieces of machinery. It would be a massive power draw though. 🙁 this is 2020! We gotta find better solutions.
@@GMoney-B big brain
Whilst looking into this have you looked at the comparison of the impact of a new EV produced this year versus keeping a 10 or 15 year old ICE on the road - I would imagine (but don't have the figures) keeping a well maintained existing ICE car on the road is far better then the production of a new car
That applies to just about all vehicles even ones with pretty average fuel economy, if the enviroment is the primary concern keeping your existing car is better than getting a new one
Makes total sense but will interfere with big car makers profits.
Donut’s math: an ICE car puts out 5.2 MT of CO2 per year, an EV 2MT. So 3.2 MT/yr reduction for EV. Now, it takes 9MT of CO2 to produce an electric car.
So, if you have your ICE car destroyed and buy a new EV, in three years you have worked off the 9MT of CO2 it took to produce (9/3.2=2.8) and from then on you are producing 60% less CO2 every year (worst case) than your old ICE car.
So, buy the new EV. And consider getting one with a smaller battery, such as a Model 3 standard range, as they cost less and have a smaller battery so less CO2 to produce. This means the CO2 break even calculation is even shorter, about 2 years.
@@JI7NKJwrong, see my other comment with calculations.
@@shaynegadsdenwrong, see my comment with calculations.
This is one of the best videos you’ve made. Also yes I’ve got time for an hour long video.