PROTOSS deleted units - ruclips.net/video/TlqBhNw_RRU/видео.html ZERG deleted units - ruclips.net/video/f66w6JXQS1c/видео.html TERRAN deleted units - ruclips.net/video/JTKCaodyzZo/видео.html Timecodes: 00:00 Terran concepts 00:24 Veterancy mechanic & structures 01:26 Two units that were discraded &redesigned 02:21 THOR was a different beast 04:01 Battlecruiser individual upgrades and other changes 04:51 A flying STARBASE 05:28 THE TERRATRON
Terracon should've have been last boss in heart of the swarm under mengks command. And the flying star ports would have been really good and cheesey if they can build and move same time
@@F14thunderhawk yes and no. One custom campaign I've seen gave hardened shields to Diamondbacks and they became great to break sieged positions. You send them in first, no micro needed, they'll tank hits and kill armored stuff and you follow with the rest of the army. Making them tankier would easily make them better than tanks for a mobile army
As a Supreme Commander fan as well. Terratron "reveal" got me so excited. I always wanted a big mecha for Terran. I had to settle with odin version of Thor, but we had to live with special edition wing thor lol.
He's in the editor though. And although it sadly was never made into an actual unit, one guy actually posted a graphical mockup of one with Protoss buildings instead labeled Protossimus Prime.😆
The veterancy mechanic should've been for all three factions. Would've made the game more interesting. And it's sad that the Thor isn't like it was in Alpha. A big mech that could've made into something akin to what the Mothership is.
i mean C&C had been doing it since RA2 which dustin browder also was lead design in that game as he was in both wings of liberty and heart of the swarm, and most C&C games using that mechanic was relatively balenced with it in it, generals and C&C 3 being prime examples
@@dillzilla4454 Armies of Exigo had a veterancy for all three factions and it didn't cause any problems. The Empire and Beasts gained them traditionally and either got auras that buffed units around them (The Empire) or big stat buffs (The Beasts). The Fallen (not!Undead Scourge mixed with not!Zerg) wouldn't gain any veterancy until building a Soul Trap. After that they'd gain veterancy slower than anyone else, but this would be shared among all their military units that could level up and every newly produced. Stat increases wouldn't be big because of this for balance reasons.
It's interesting to learn about how campaign deco buildings and such were at some point a concept for multiplayer. I loved the variety in WoL mission design and graphics. Now stuff like "why is there a flying unit called Scourge in the protoss minicampaign, that only appears once, and can't even attack" make sense. Or the larva-like zerg in the lava commando mission at the end.
i wish more of these scrapped ideas would have at least made it into the campaign. the campaign itself also changed a lot and removed or drastically changed a lot of cool ideas, like instead of being awarded specific units after each mission you choose to unlock each one individually in the same way you buy the different upgrades for the units in the current WOL campaign.
One of the reasons they automatically give you the units is to make sure you have the right tools to complete each mission. When placing a planet on the progression tree they know which units you'll have at that point and they can balance them accordingly. Without that they would have to account for too many variables and the design would suffer from it.
@@Anomen77 i definitely dont agree for one particular reason: most maps *definitely* dont even have any particular requirements to complete and most units each mission gives you pretty much never gets used again except on that one particular mission lol. biggest offenders of that are Firebats, Hellions, Thors, Reapers, Vikings, Battlecruisers, Vultures, Diamondbacks... Well, you get the picture, more often than not the unit you get in a particular mission is pretty much only useful for that particular mission.
You can still see Thor's "Odin" model tested on the 4th Battle Report shown by blizzard. I could possibly tell why they replaced him by a smaller model.
Once they made the smaller model for the Thor they probably didn't want to scrap the old one, so they slapped it into the campaign and created one if the coolest scort missions in RTS.
So a lot of terran stuff was removed because it wasn't "interesting" or was "boring" yet that pretty much explains most of zerg now. SC1 zerg was so much more interesting than SC2.
I know we are here for the Terrans, but that classic Toss base before the Terratron clip is sexy! I wonder why SC2 did not retain that style in reliese...
I like seeing that too. Hearkens back to SC1 structure design, which of course they used as a place holder before they had SC2 design ready. I used to wish SC2 was really just SC1 with updated engine, but now that it's such a different game and has changed so much since release in 2010, I'm just glad SC1 stays consistent. I'll play SC1 when I want the old design and gameplay.
Ok so I have been following SC2 from the announcement and I have to ask, where did you get the footage from 4:49? Honestly I've never seen that and would love to see more.
@@EsportsStoryteller Thank you! Man I was so hoping that an alpha or beta build has surfaced somewhere... The shield effects were so much better in the original Protoss demo.
The rank and kill count has been a thing for all races since SC1 launched in the 90's, a game mechanic that buffs the unit based off that wasnt the reason for it
When i was a kid i saw footage of Terracon on youtube and wanted it to exist so bad that i would build all the buildings in the video to try to craft it in campaign every couple of month just to be sure cause it looked fye
This kind of thing is actually way more exciting than what we ended up getting imo. I remember seeing the mothership's "Planet Cracker" beam. Thought it was the coolest thing ever. And honestly, it would be perfectly balanced in today's SC2, underpowered even - and they wouldn't have to remove anything for it to exist. Nukes are already a niche strategy that usually don't work out at high levels - the Planet Cracker is just a nuke with a much higher tech requirement on a unit that can't cloak. The mothership always felt like it was missing the "ultimate protoss vessel" vibe since they torched vortex. And adding the PC would totally be a step in that direction.
it would be pretty effective at destroying buildings, probably more-so than a nuke, while not costing any supply like a nuke does, and the Mothership could still attack and move while doing the Planet Cracker. so, there are a lot of key differences between it and nukes.
@@Templarfreak Right, the version I remember had it moving *very* slowly if it all, and only after the initial charge. But of course - the PC does still cost supply equal to the MS. Not to mention a lot of energy I'd imagine. But gradually ramping damage primarily against buildings sounds a whole lot like corruptors, and unlike nukes it'd be pretty obvious so I doubt your army would ever get caught easily. Definitely an ability I could see being used nichely but well in the lategame.
@@dissolution9843 the mothership itself costs supply yes, but using the planet cracker does not. it's not the same. a ghost costs separate supply *ontop* of the nuke. the nuke also costs minerals and gas which the planet cracker does not. as far as i can tell, in the original trailer using the planet cracker doesnt affect the mothership's speed at all, the mothership was (and still kind of is) just really slow in general. im not saying it'd be supremely overpowered or anything, though, like you were kind of suggesting in the OP it's a pretty easily avoidable thing much like a nuke, so it would rarely get a lot of actual damage done much the same as a nuke. i just thought i'd mention all of this is all lol
im late here but i do would like to know what happened to all of these old models and cut units, i mean they are removed entirely from the game right? There is still some leftover units from the alpha like the BC with plasma weaponry but there is something wrong with the plasma weaponries textures. They made the map editor and support for custom modes, why the heck then remove all of these goodies from the game entirely? Maybe they didnt want to have another version of sc2 closer to the alpha in the custom section out of their control? Its so sad, we could still play with these units one way or another but now everything would have to be recreated. An arcade sc2 would be the best thing ever, maybe not for comp players but im not one of those, i love direct strike and it would be the perfect place for all of this the photon cannons, their projectiles and protoss artstyle in general was so much better cause it was closer to the original, i really loved how protoss looked in alpha. Why they reworked protoss design so heavily is another big question i have, i know all races got a visual touchup but its the most noticeable with protoss, they look so chunky, generic and just plainly bad in my opinion now. The Golden Age skin made it ALOT better though
Man i just wanted the herc to make it in during lotv beta, that unit was so cool and so strong against muta ling bane, it brought tears to my eyes seeing zergs suffer and complain imba after so much zerg domination everywhere
A: they should have made defense buildings that had the siege tank cannons, and B: that and the missile turrets should have been able to fly like the other Terran buildings.
TBH I was really disappointed by the introduction of the disruptors and ravagers, as they took out the uniqueness of siege tanks. Ranged poking was the one unique thing about Terran, Zerg was about swarming and macro and Protoss was trying to hold on until late game.
The defensive matrix ability was broken af but they could've kept the missiles, choosing between high damage one target (yamato) or low damage splash doesn't sound broken at all
Ngl, the Thor concept was actually something that made more sense, with the SCV's building it, instead of a factory. (That wouldn't fit in there no matter what)
Make it kind of hermaphroditic too maybe. Starports as breasts that release vikings like interceptours. A rocket penis whose head spins because it's a missile turret. But also the capital ship that builds ships... could it really produce massive battlecruisers? Like the mothership should be able to make carriers or just giant interceptour bays at least.
Terran: can we have an Anti Air Upgrade for the Siege Tank: WoL 100% smartsiege Tanks: Put two Thors behind us with HIPL. WE ARE THE HAMMER AND THE ANVIL.
Well ever since the merge with acti, things got even more safe for the sake of bullshit and now we sadly have gotten a more cheesy and sterile starcraft 2, I'm pretty sure over time even with the most insane ideas and abilities people would have found a way to still outplay the most insane units and changes.
Looking at all this cool stuff makes you feel like the current starcraft is just a gutted to balance the game i'm sure all these units exist in custom maps and co-op gameplay
It really is a shame that catering to the korean sc1 competitive scene scrapped so much unique content in favor of early cheese late blob gameplay, only for them to all go back to sc1 anyway
Blizzard foccuses too much on gameplay and less on fun. That's why AoE series still has wonders despite not many players reaching that point to use them.
This video is nothing special. He is simply retelling old StarCraft 2 news and updates from the late 2000's that were freely available... But I guess he has to keep making that content...
PROTOSS deleted units - ruclips.net/video/TlqBhNw_RRU/видео.html
ZERG deleted units - ruclips.net/video/f66w6JXQS1c/видео.html
TERRAN deleted units - ruclips.net/video/JTKCaodyzZo/видео.html
Timecodes:
00:00 Terran concepts
00:24 Veterancy mechanic & structures
01:26 Two units that were discraded &redesigned
02:21 THOR was a different beast
04:01 Battlecruiser individual upgrades and other changes
04:51 A flying STARBASE
05:28 THE TERRATRON
5:34 when the enemy goes double fusion core you know what's coming
Terracon should've have been last boss in heart of the swarm under mengks command. And the flying star ports would have been really good and cheesey if they can build and move same time
That could've been very cool. Better than Amon boss fight
Han & Horner eventually got the flying airports, or something inspired by them at least.
tron*
Someone else did a graphical mockup of one with Protoss buildings instead labeled Protossimus Prime.
@@ziephel-6780 Thst wasn't a boss fight.
I'm glad a lot of these scrapped designs were used in the campaign or Co-op. And if anything, a lot of it was used in custom made mods
tbf, the diamondback was a bad unit design and mostly just hurt the siege tank.
@@F14thunderhawk yes and no. One custom campaign I've seen gave hardened shields to Diamondbacks and they became great to break sieged positions. You send them in first, no micro needed, they'll tank hits and kill armored stuff and you follow with the rest of the army. Making them tankier would easily make them better than tanks for a mobile army
@@F14thunderhawk Diamondback was boring. But it defacto got into normal matches as a cyclone. becouse it is defacto the same thing. Just less boring.
As a Supreme Commander fan as well. Terratron "reveal" got me so excited. I always wanted a big mecha for Terran. I had to settle with odin version of Thor, but we had to live with special edition wing thor lol.
He's in the editor though. And although it sadly was never made into an actual unit, one guy actually posted a graphical mockup of one with Protoss buildings instead labeled Protossimus Prime.😆
The veterancy mechanic should've been for all three factions. Would've made the game more interesting.
And it's sad that the Thor isn't like it was in Alpha. A big mech that could've made into something akin to what the Mothership is.
It would give you a reason to keep some units alive. It would be nicer if you could keep some of them for the next mission.
@@XenosImplyer Yeah. Like a band of brothers with whom to forge stories with.
i mean C&C had been doing it since RA2 which dustin browder also was lead design in that game as he was in both wings of liberty and heart of the swarm, and most C&C games using that mechanic was relatively balenced with it in it, generals and C&C 3 being prime examples
would have been a problem for zerg
@@dillzilla4454 Armies of Exigo had a veterancy for all three factions and it didn't cause any problems.
The Empire and Beasts gained them traditionally and either got auras that buffed units around them (The Empire) or big stat buffs (The Beasts). The Fallen (not!Undead Scourge mixed with not!Zerg) wouldn't gain any veterancy until building a Soul Trap. After that they'd gain veterancy slower than anyone else, but this would be shared among all their military units that could level up and every newly produced. Stat increases wouldn't be big because of this for balance reasons.
It's interesting to learn about how campaign deco buildings and such were at some point a concept for multiplayer. I loved the variety in WoL mission design and graphics. Now stuff like "why is there a flying unit called Scourge in the protoss minicampaign, that only appears once, and can't even attack" make sense. Or the larva-like zerg in the lava commando mission at the end.
The 3d model Brood War footage is weirdly cursed.
I love that the Terratron at least gets use in arcade like in lotto defense and squadron tower strike
I can't believe after all this time I have not seen this Terratron video yet. This is so amazing, I couldn't trust my eyes
Someone else had an idea for one made of Protoss buildings instead labeled Protossimus Prime.😆
5:31 That transformers stuff would have been really cool, never knew about this
i wish more of these scrapped ideas would have at least made it into the campaign. the campaign itself also changed a lot and removed or drastically changed a lot of cool ideas, like instead of being awarded specific units after each mission you choose to unlock each one individually in the same way you buy the different upgrades for the units in the current WOL campaign.
One of the reasons they automatically give you the units is to make sure you have the right tools to complete each mission. When placing a planet on the progression tree they know which units you'll have at that point and they can balance them accordingly.
Without that they would have to account for too many variables and the design would suffer from it.
@@Anomen77 i definitely dont agree for one particular reason: most maps *definitely* dont even have any particular requirements to complete and most units each mission gives you pretty much never gets used again except on that one particular mission lol.
biggest offenders of that are Firebats, Hellions, Thors, Reapers, Vikings, Battlecruisers, Vultures, Diamondbacks... Well, you get the picture, more often than not the unit you get in a particular mission is pretty much only useful for that particular mission.
0:08 the terrain look so good. It clearly isnt finished withno doodads. But thats crispy
You can still see Thor's "Odin" model tested on the 4th Battle Report shown by blizzard. I could possibly tell why they replaced him by a smaller model.
Once they made the smaller model for the Thor they probably didn't want to scrap the old one, so they slapped it into the campaign and created one if the coolest scort missions in RTS.
So a lot of terran stuff was removed because it wasn't "interesting" or was "boring" yet that pretty much explains most of zerg now. SC1 zerg was so much more interesting than SC2.
I still vividly remember that TerraTron April Fool joke. Really takes me back to the 2010s. 😊
4:25 bassicly the bc'S ability of wol campaing?
Yes If I remember correctly
Man Beta StarCraft 2 is way more interesting than the actual game mechanically. Screw Esports
I know we are here for the Terrans, but that classic Toss base before the Terratron clip is sexy!
I wonder why SC2 did not retain that style in reliese...
I like seeing that too. Hearkens back to SC1 structure design, which of course they used as a place holder before they had SC2 design ready. I used to wish SC2 was really just SC1 with updated engine, but now that it's such a different game and has changed so much since release in 2010, I'm just glad SC1 stays consistent. I'll play SC1 when I want the old design and gameplay.
Ok so I have been following SC2 from the announcement and I have to ask, where did you get the footage from 4:49? Honestly I've never seen that and would love to see more.
Same with the beginning footage please.
This video ruclips.net/video/z4lrG1QD68M/видео.html
@@EsportsStoryteller Thank you! Man I was so hoping that an alpha or beta build has surfaced somewhere... The shield effects were so much better in the original Protoss demo.
I think it would be great if Terran race looked like robots-transformers
siege tanks, hellbats, vikings, liberators
They do have a good amount of transforming units I think 😆
The rank and kill count has been a thing for all races since SC1 launched in the 90's, a game mechanic that buffs the unit based off that wasnt the reason for it
When i was a kid i saw footage of Terracon on youtube and wanted it to exist so bad that i would build all the buildings in the video to try to craft it in campaign every couple of month just to be sure cause it looked fye
This kind of thing is actually way more exciting than what we ended up getting imo.
I remember seeing the mothership's "Planet Cracker" beam. Thought it was the coolest thing ever.
And honestly, it would be perfectly balanced in today's SC2, underpowered even - and they wouldn't have to remove anything for it to exist.
Nukes are already a niche strategy that usually don't work out at high levels - the Planet Cracker is just a nuke with a much higher tech requirement
on a unit that can't cloak. The mothership always felt like it was missing the "ultimate protoss vessel" vibe since they torched vortex.
And adding the PC would totally be a step in that direction.
it would be pretty effective at destroying buildings, probably more-so than a nuke, while not costing any supply like a nuke does, and the Mothership could still attack and move while doing the Planet Cracker. so, there are a lot of key differences between it and nukes.
@@Templarfreak Right, the version I remember had it moving *very* slowly if it all, and only after the initial charge. But of course - the PC does still cost supply equal to the MS. Not to mention a lot of energy I'd imagine. But gradually ramping damage primarily against buildings sounds a whole lot like corruptors, and unlike nukes it'd be pretty obvious so I doubt your army would ever get caught easily. Definitely an ability I could see being used nichely but well in the lategame.
@@dissolution9843 the mothership itself costs supply yes, but using the planet cracker does not. it's not the same. a ghost costs separate supply *ontop* of the nuke. the nuke also costs minerals and gas which the planet cracker does not.
as far as i can tell, in the original trailer using the planet cracker doesnt affect the mothership's speed at all, the mothership was (and still kind of is) just really slow in general.
im not saying it'd be supremely overpowered or anything, though, like you were kind of suggesting in the OP it's a pretty easily avoidable thing much like a nuke, so it would rarely get a lot of actual damage done much the same as a nuke. i just thought i'd mention all of this is all lol
2:43 I _really_ wish turning speed stayed as a mechanic.
It's still there with some units but that's really negligible
Honestly i wish Thor was actually something bigger then a glorified goliath with an ability.
At that point they should have kept goliaths
The Terratron looks like the basis for the Balius in the Nova Campaign and in Co-Op.
im late here but i do would like to know what happened to all of these old models and cut units, i mean they are removed entirely from the game right? There is still some leftover units from the alpha like the BC with plasma weaponry but there is something wrong with the plasma weaponries textures. They made the map editor and support for custom modes, why the heck then remove all of these goodies from the game entirely? Maybe they didnt want to have another version of sc2 closer to the alpha in the custom section out of their control? Its so sad, we could still play with these units one way or another but now everything would have to be recreated. An arcade sc2 would be the best thing ever, maybe not for comp players but im not one of those, i love direct strike and it would be the perfect place for all of this
the photon cannons, their projectiles and protoss artstyle in general was so much better cause it was closer to the original, i really loved how protoss looked in alpha. Why they reworked protoss design so heavily is another big question i have, i know all races got a visual touchup but its the most noticeable with protoss, they look so chunky, generic and just plainly bad in my opinion now. The Golden Age skin made it ALOT better though
Man i just wanted the herc to make it in during lotv beta, that unit was so cool and so strong against muta ling bane, it brought tears to my eyes seeing zergs suffer and complain imba after so much zerg domination everywhere
True... though muta ling bane ended up not being as strong as a unit comp after HotS anyway (I think mostly due to the economy changes).
Where is the footage from 5:17 from? An alpha/beta for Sc2? Is it available?
I think it's not, it was from the developers' diaries
search up "SC2 Engine Development History"
I just want to thank you for the frequent upload and quality content . You schedule must be insane
Thank you!
Terratron shouldve said “it’s terrans-forming time”
I remember thinking i could make a terratron in game, my dissapointment was palpatable that day
It be nice if they added more options to pvp rather then the boring repeating the same 2-4 tatics per race
I love all this crazy stuff!!
A: they should have made defense buildings that had the siege tank cannons, and B: that and the missile turrets should have been able to fly like the other Terran buildings.
I liked when Terratron said it's transforming time and transformed all over terran base.
Truly the best video!
Hoping to see mods feateured here. Lots of good mods right now.
What about the Tauren marine?
LET’S GO IT’S TERANING TIME #TERRARRONSWEEP
TBH I was really disappointed by the introduction of the disruptors and ravagers, as they took out the uniqueness of siege tanks. Ranged poking was the one unique thing about Terran, Zerg was about swarming and macro and Protoss was trying to hold on until late game.
The defensive matrix ability was broken af but they could've kept the missiles, choosing between high damage one target (yamato) or low damage splash doesn't sound broken at all
Ngl, the Thor concept was actually something that made more sense, with the SCV's building it, instead of a factory. (That wouldn't fit in there no matter what)
Make it kind of hermaphroditic too maybe. Starports as breasts that release vikings like interceptours. A rocket penis whose head spins because it's a missile turret.
But also the capital ship that builds ships... could it really produce massive battlecruisers? Like the mothership should be able to make carriers or just giant interceptour bays at least.
Terratron was from a brighter era in -Activision- Blizzard's history. From the before times. Long, _long_ ago in the hearts of mortal men.
Such nostalgia 😆
Did he said "it's morbin time"?
Yes
Now all I want is to make terratron…
would been funny if they made an official mod that contains all removed or drastically altered content
Terran: can we have an Anti Air Upgrade for the Siege Tank:
WoL 100% smartsiege Tanks: Put two Thors behind us with HIPL. WE ARE THE HAMMER AND THE ANVIL.
Well ever since the merge with acti, things got even more safe for the sake of bullshit and now we sadly have gotten a more cheesy and sterile starcraft 2, I'm pretty sure over time even with the most insane ideas and abilities people would have found a way to still outplay the most insane units and changes.
Looking at all this cool stuff makes you feel like the current starcraft is just a gutted to balance the game i'm sure all these units exist in custom maps and co-op gameplay
Next up, Zerg, then Protoss
It really is a shame that catering to the korean sc1 competitive scene scrapped so much unique content in favor of early cheese late blob gameplay, only for them to all go back to sc1 anyway
Blizzard foccuses too much on gameplay and less on fun. That's why AoE series still has wonders despite not many players reaching that point to use them.
Interesting some of them may be game breaking butt some may have been cool to see 😎
But oh well you can't have everything can you
honestly i think building the thor with an scv is cooler
alg
Terratron should have been implemented
Can’t understand half this clip cuz of this guys accent. Subtitles helped barley.
This video is nothing special. He is simply retelling old StarCraft 2 news and updates from the late 2000's that were freely available... But I guess he has to keep making that content...