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- Spider-Man is able to convince Doctor Octavius to abandon his experiment and bury it.
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Spider-Man 2 / Peter Parker (Tobey Maguire) gives up his crime-fighting identity of Spider-Man in a desperate attempt to return to ordinary life and keep the love of MJ (Kirsten Dunst). But a ruthless, terrifying new villain, the multi-tentacled Doc Ock, forces Peter to swing back into action to save everything he holds dear. / In SPIDER-MAN 2, the latest installment in the blockbuster Spider-Man series, based on the classic Marvel Comics hero, Tobey Maguire returns as the mild-mannered Peter Parker, who is juggling the delicate balance of his dual life as college student and a superhuman crime fighter. Peter's life becomes even more complicated when he confronts a new nemesis, the brilliant Otto Octavius (Alfred Molina) who has been reincarnated as the maniacal and multi-tentacled "Doc Ock." When Doc Ock kidnaps MJ (Kirsten Dunst), Spider-Man must swing back into action as the adventure reaches new heights of unprecedented excitement.
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2004: "I will not die a monster"
2021: "Hello Peter"
The time has come !!!!!! After 17 years !!
I was hoping to see a comment like this
"Ara Ara Peter-kun" - Otto Ssenpai
Live as a villain.
When he said “ Hello Peter”. I felt that
“I will not die a monster.”
Actually, you've been summond to sign a contract with kevin feige.
And kill Tom holland
And join a team with 5 other villains
To kill the 3 different Peter Parker
And be a complete badass as you’ve been in the past 💯🙌
@@crashpal certified poggers moment
You know, I always love how Tobey's suit always gets shredded and nearly destroyed. It's such an underrated effect, it shows that he's fighting with only himself, his powers and nothing else. No high tech gadgets, no super suit- just a kid who's fighting, getting hurt, getting injured, wounded and bruised- yet still so committed and determined to do anything to save everyone.
I don't know how to explain it, it's like you see that he doesn't always have the upper hand. He struggles, he get thrown about, he gets nearly killed, and in all those situations his suit slowly gets torn and torn until it's his skin taking damage.
I get it though, so thanks!
1:04 starts to float
6:26 doc Ock floats
In No Way Home they forgot this detail, the fact is that the clothes don't even want to tear, and look at that he fights 4 villains
also shows you that tobey as spiderman didnt fight chumps either. these were serious and violent people that were ready to completely destroy the city if it hadnt been for spiderman.
its the same reason people like rocky balboa. the dude fights borderline psychotic monsters in the ring, takes a whoopin, then comes out on top.
The brilliant but lazy line is incredibly well acted. It hit Otto that Peter was never lazy. He was just too busy being Spiderman
Otto always liked Peter; but once he got an understanding of why he was “lazy” being Spider man he admired Peter. It was a bit sad (and part of the drama) that Otto could have been a surrogate father figure for Peter; and in Spider Man 3 you see his anger and vengeance come out because he didn’t have a Uncle Ben to guide him.
I hope he realised anyway.
@@BENR8108This comment is amazing
I remember around the time this movie came out, someone interviewing Alfred Molina asked how he'd feel if, after his whole career, he was best known for playing a comic book villain. His response was something like, "I should be so lucky!"
Wow
That’s neat
I dunno, he'll always be the guy with the spiders on his back in Raiders, lol...
Can’t wait to see what they do with his character in No Way Home. It’ll be interesting to see.
And it’s true. Only 2% of actors make a living outta what they do. And outta that 2%, not all of them get cool roles like a comic book villain.
"You're all grown up...how are you?"
"Trying to do better."
That was a good ending
Basically I've seen the movie
Why you spoiling it tho
@@pinkiesplatoon8765 doesn't he return to his timeline in the moment he's supposed to die saving the city?
@@Pllayer064 no there is now another timeline for both spider man and the amazing spider man movies where all villains are cured and still alive. Technically you can say it’s like Loki version.
@@Pllayer064 Exactly my thought. Was expecting this scene the whole time but Marvel missed the chance
His last words though, “I will not die a monster!”
Made it even more wholesome now to rewatch the reunion between him and Tobey in NWH, for some reasons. ❤️
What are your thoughts on when he screamed “NO!” when it was going into the river? What do you reckon it was directed at?
@@1codeking hm, I think there's a part of the Doctor kind of regretting that he has to destroy his work eventually in the end. He was close to harnessing the 'power of the sun', but he had to take it down in the end. Either there's a part of him regretting he had to destroy it, and maybe there's also that "NO!" as in the chaos the artificial sun was bringing should stop and that its creator itself is the one to to stop it.
@@JManuel my thinking is similar. Might’ve got it right if Spidey hadn’t have dropped it. 😜
You didn’t Otto, you redeemed yourself!
& the In NWH you became a hero once more.
R.I.P. Dr. Ock and Rosie Octavius.
5:50 the fact these 2 met 17 years later, and Tobey thought he was completely dead, the emotion they must’ve felt inside of them must’ve been enormous
WAIT DOC SURVIVED?!?
@Captain France It Seems he has not.
His Doc Ock is dead. He was talking to a version from a variant timeline in his universe.
@Captain France nah I watched no way home but even if this isn't what happened after Doc got sent back, he would still need to destroy the reactor and that would require him to kill himself. I mean if he still had Nanotech arms you could say he could form a breathing device or something but as it stands, I don't think he could survive... unless he turned into HISHE Doc
@Captain France Yeah, but then they didn’t, making them people from different timelines.
This Doc Ock is still one of the best written & acted villains in cinema.
Thanos was better in infinity war
Wait nvm u said one of the not 'the'
Yes no wonder why he's my fav-
Wanna see a magic Trick, I wanna make this pencil disappear, ta dang!! It's gone...
@@lodostic1015 ehh it’s cause thanos … it’s a mix I. Between
It's like Kristen Dunst's audition went like
"Scream"
"EEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHH!!!"
"The role is yours"
That and “please wear this wet dress”
Still I really liked her as Mary Jane.
@@mirekg5704 yeah she's definitely better than new one
@@KPho150 and never wear a bra
That scream you typed sounds more like Tobey’s scream when the wall collapses
4:56 Really like this part of the scene, it really quickly and effectively demonstrates just how insidious his robotic limbs are. Even as they have completely lost their grip on Octavius' mind, they're still so reluctant to comply with him and shocked by his demands to them until it becomes completely clear that they can't regain their control over him. And then a few moments later, Octavius finally exerts his own control over his own arms, gripping Peter again, but no longer with the malicious manifest of old, instead as an extension of Octavius himself this time.
Although, I wouldn’t consider it as just reluctance, but confusion and were debating to listen to him for Peter. I noticed one of the arms listening to Peter’s speech on giving up the thing you want the most to do what’s right. It’s as if they were also affected by these words and it led to the four debating with Otto before agreeing to listen to him again, because the fusion reactor was their directive, just like it was Otto’s dream, but it’s as if they gave up on it too, because their true directive was to serve Otto.
Peter 1 also explained that nicely.
@@mikephelps9238 You can make the argument that the arms were in a way, trying to help Otto do what they thought he truly wanted to do, which was to accomplish his dream of creating the fusion reactor and finish his life's work. That's what Otto wanted all his life and the arms basically twisted it in a way where their constant persistance made him forget WHY he wanted to create the fusion reactor in the first place, which was to help people. Just because you want something doesn't neccesarily mean it's something you need.
Id really like to see the arms talking to him from ottos perspective
In defense of the arms, they were programed for two things - to do the experiment and protect their wearer. Everything they did and/or compelled Otto to do up til this moment was in line with their programming.
3:35 non-threatening smiles from villains honestly is the best thing
“I will not die a monster.”
You didn’t. You went out a hero in the end.
More like he went out cleaning up after his own mess but ok
@@K00tshUii well to be fair, he was sorta under the influence of his robotic arms there, but I can see both sides
You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain plus he’s returning in no way home
"Use your great power, Peter. Then the world needs Spider-man...more than it needs me."
You did Doc. You're a hero.
According to leaks, the arms corrupted him again
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Doc Ock is one of the few characters who did both.
you're acting like that's some unique trope. Vader, Loki etc. the list is very long.
And he didn't die a monster
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Go on then
Yeah in this exact movie he did both.
Just like no way home when he saved the day
Doc Ocks last words still give me chills when I hear them…
“I will not die a monster.”
Na verdade foi "Nãooooooo"
One difference I loved between this scene and No Way Home is the way the two Peters approach Ock. Tom's Peter repairs the inhibitor chip with his knowledge of advanced machinery and access to high tech Stark equipment. Tobey's Peter can't do that, at least not in the moment -but, unlike Tom, he's able to appeal to Ock and get him to see reason. He reminds Ock of what's most important to him. Not his work, or his ego. His principles and his wife.
Tom had the smarts, but Tobey had the heart.
That's beautifully written mate. Kudos
Tobey is pretty smart himself. Even brilliant. He just doesn't have the means and reasons to achieve everything he actually can.
“The power of the sun…”
“In the palm of your hand.”
“Peter?”
“Otto.”
"It's good to see you, dear boy."
"It's good to see you."
"You're all grown up. How are you?"
"Trying to do better."
I was crying
with that subtle OG theme playing in the background!🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
I almost cried at that scene
@@BRUCELEE-wt7hk Me too man
The happiness in his face when he saw Peter!!!
“HANG ON MARY JANE!!!”
*punches ock again*
I saw that to lol. I love how the actor just plays it off , like the character didn’t recover faster ,falling from a building or train fight.
Spidey a true NY hero
One more on the way
"I'll be right there!"
*Punch*
"Won't be a minute!"
*Punch*
"Help's on the way!"
*Punch*
"Coming to ya!"
*Punch*
"Be there before ya know it!"
*Punch*
"With you in a jiffy!"
*Punch* *Punch* *Punch* *Punch* *Punch*
Mary Jane*
I like the subtle development MJ goes through in the trilogy. She goes from being scared to climb down the cable in 1, to trying to fight Ock in 2, to being really involved in the final fight in 3. Even though I do like the MCU's MJ and Gwen Stacey better overall, I have to give credit where credit is due.
Never noticed this development thanks for pointing it out! New respect for raimi mj
Don't forget she cheats on literally everyone she dates in these movies 💯
She drops a cement block on Venom even while hanging many feet high. She doesn't get enough credit and with fans of the MCU universe obsessed with making their MJ the best, the Mary Jane of that universe ended up turned into a silly cockroach.
@@Smokeyourselfstraighttohell I think it's smart. Usually, the good guys get the whole cast and nobody says anything. In the Spider-Man movies, MJ got the entire male cast. Lucky girl! And since all the villains were always going to her, Peter almost always left her waiting, so she shouldn't be silly: stay anyway MJ, you are wrong, but at least you are taking care of your own life too! 😝😂
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It always felt powerful how Peter defeats his enemy not by beating him up (although he does rough him up quite a bit), but by talking to him man-to-man and appealing to his good side.
Exactly. The Green Goblin died by his own hand too. And so did Venom. Peter helped Dr Octopus and Sandman by talking to them.
“They all die fighting Spider-Man. That’s their fate”.
@@JazzStation95 yeah i did wondering at that part in the first trailer. Probably those arms had control or something. I can only come up with that thought
He didn’t die fighting Spider-Man but Spider-Man still has a relation to his death he convinced him to do it
I doubt he wants to kill spiderman again
In the trailer we see him fighting shocker so he probrably supports the idea of being sent back because now because of the spell there’s a timeline where ny gets destroyed
But if I’m wrong maybe he just doesn’t want to die twice Lmao
@@trees1922 SpiderMan didn't convince him to do it, he just brought him to his senses and made him realize who he actually is.... even after Doc told Peter how to stop the reactor, he immediately went to do it himself even if it meant he was going to die but Doc stopped him because he couldn't see Peter die trying to fix his wrong doings.
Sand Man and lizard didn't die fighting spider man in their respective movies.
@@JazzStation95 Which only happened *because* he fought Spider-Man.
Torn between wanting to see Molina as Doc Ock again in No Way Home, and not wanting them to ruin the perfect arc he had in this movie 😢
@Joey Style Why everytime someone critics MCU there has to be another person saying to trust Kevin Feige? Like seriously people... you guys act like he never made a mistake or something like that. The problem isn't how they are bringing this Otto to MCU, but why. He died, sacrificed himself. Just let him have his fate.
If you guys want so bad to see Molina again (and I kinda want that too), just make a different Otto. MCU already did that with JK Simmons. Earth-1999999 Otto Octavius wasn't even mentioned before. Is that really how you wanna see a different interpretation of the character? Through multiversal jump? It's just so... mediocre.
MCU have handled the characters of Peter, Mysterio and Vulture+ Aunt May really well so Doc Oc should be fine
He must be way too old for acting now he’s probably retired
@@melsheridan they’re using de-aging technology on him
Gjvjfustju say
The way he stops Peter knowing he could die trying to drown it and decides to do it himself is just so good
I always thought it was because the whole thing was his fault. Like, if Peter did it, then Doc Ock wouldn't have redeemed himself.
@@reversalmushroomexactly. If Peter died stopping it then the city would lose it's defender, a value Otto has acknowledged in Spider-Man. Otto knows he's done wrong and is ready to pay for his sins for to true good of mankind
@@ursidae97That, and I don't think Peter would be strong enough to tear down the machine, but Otto's arms were.
@@pjusttheletterpreally.noth2995he definitely would be strong enough to
@@ursidae97 yeah
Octavius: “I can’t destroy it. I WON’T!”
*grabs Peter by the throat
Peter: “You once spoke to me about intelligence. That it was gift to be used for the g….”
*Octavius disappears
Peter: “What the heck just happened?”
Holy fuck wait, assuming that that actually happens and that timeline is still going while No Way Home is happening, that means that Peter is probably the one that sacrificed himself to destroy the machine
@@kianrodriguez4455 fuck that's dark, mj had to watch that and possibly died as well unless Peter scurried his way outta this, which is extremely possible I'm sure he's strong enough to tear it apart himself, it'd be a close save
@@bussinnutsfuckinbutts5368 most likely
Thanks captain obvious
@@jameswent48 You’re welcome random citizen.
he redeemed himself once, he did it again, what a well written villain
That doesn't even make him a villain then.
@@isaacthegoat1432 I think that both him and the green goblin have the same thing going on. Otto and Norman are good people, but the things that turned them into monsters were the green goblin personality and the arms going apeshit, I really like that tbh
@@enzogomez5686 They are far from good people.
@@isaacthegoat1432 why do you mean that?
@@thvasngm1694 They are villains.
The coolest part of this scene that often gets overlooked is the scene where Doc Ock takes control of his destiny, says "I'll do it", and rises on his arms to stand above Spiderman in a camera angle usually used for heroes. Then walks off to do what is needed for the greater good.
Right
Wow, nice comment
Nice catch! Didn't notice the angle is usually used for heroes being witnessed by civilians doing heroic deeds.
so techically peter didnt really defeat doc ock cause he chose to go down with his own invention
“I will not die a monster” *chefs kiss*
I liked how Peter went from being Doc Ock's learner to becoming his teacher by the end of the movie. Peter teaches Doc Ock about sacrificing your own dreams for the greater good and that he was using his intelligence for the wrong reasons and seeing Doc Ock deciding to listen his learner was powerful and seeing him use his intelligence to save people and sacrifice the very thing he was passionate about was a great character arc for him.
He learned that from aunt may
5:07 I love the detail that if you look at the "eyes" of the arms, you can see them flicker from before the inhibitor chip was destroyed, to after, which means otto is using his willpower the way the chip would have been used
The look oc gave peter was perfect, basically saying "i wont survive this, so before i go i want to thank you for showing me the error of my ways, and bringing me back to the man i use to be" so brilliant
They'll meet again in December. I bet you that doc ock was talking to Tobeys spiderman in the nwh trailer but they made it seem like he was talking to toms spiderman.
Only a look men can give eachother without uttering a single word.
7:25;A captain always goes down with his ship. Even though he returns this year.
cringe
That look was one of the most memorable favorite parts and it really made this doc talk the best version in my opinion
I always liked Pete's suit being damaged. It has some sort of meaning that not all superheroes are invincible or everything is perfect. Not to mention some battle scars looks sick.
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Yeah most days hero outfits do get a little dirty, a few tears, and have some blood, but seeing this suit so shredded and damaged in this scene really sells how hard Peter is struggling to win this fight.
It’s like when Goku loses his shirt
@@scottprice4955 now a day, they have supersuit while our spider wear a red spandex suit
that’s how you know he been in the field 🤛
Doc Ock wasn't a bad person but a brilliant scientist, he was just a monster created by Norman
I like how Otto never was a truly evil person, but it was always his arms. No Way Home justified this when he was cured…
“You’re not Peter Parker” the chills
"I am so confused right now"
"Brilliant but Lazy "
By saying that he's indirectly canonizing Toby's Spiderman into the MCU.
What's your name? 🙂
Dr. Otto Octavius!
@@zac3194 😂😂🤣🤣🤣 for real
The way he smiles when he says "brilliant but lazy," 🥺 I'm so glad Alfred is back. He brought so much heart to this role.
Fr man he really put his all into this role almost as if it wasn’t just a role it was like he really wanted to do this
8:00;Otto will be back, but facing a different Spider-man.
Wish the original Spider-Man was back, but life went pretty down hill for him
What's with the emoji
Mohsen4ever scared of love 😂
Spider-Man 2 is to Marvel what Man of Steel is to DC. I’ll take it a step further and say they are once in a generation films. Truly amazing. (I would also like to extend this sentiment to The Dark Knight.)
I agree (besides man of steel, good film but not on the same lvl) I hate when ppl compare Spider man 2 and TDK they were both excellent s tier not only superhero films, but films in general for different reasons.
To this day. When Doc Ock, turns to look back at Peter it gives me chills. Such a beautiful filmed scene. Alfred and Tobey were in sync. Spider-Man 2 is undoubtedly my favorite of the Trilogy, and one of my favorite Marvel and just Super Hero films.
S2 seems to be the general fav of the Raimi films!
What do you think of Doc Ock in No Way Home?
The old Spidey villains had so much more of a personal connection to Spider-Man. The MCU seriously lacks there when every villain seems to only care about Stark.
Well MCU as a whole focused on Stark. Down played Spiderman as a Sidekick, and was Dependent on tony like a sugar-daddy. I'm not saying Tom was bad at being spiderman. Just the writing made Spider-man so much weaker a character than he really suppose to be.
@@spottedslash4256 making mcu spidey weak and irresponsible felt like kinda the point. that spidey isnt as mature as Tobey, but hes slowly creeping toward that and thats the goal. maybe its not what Spiderman is supposed to be, but it is realistic to what a highschooler with powers would be
@@marselo1316 I don't think he meant weak as in physically or even mentally weak, because as you say, overcoming these problems is what makes for a good arc.
I think, what he was referring to, was that the narrative dependence on Ironman is making the MCU Spiderman weaker as a whole. And I agree.
It's so over hammered too, especially in Far From Home; despite the fact that Spiderman has interacted with Tony for all of two movies and a half, we're supposed to believe that he carries a tremendous guilt over his death, that, frankly, no other hero who has known Tony longer seems to share.
As the memes say, MCU Spiderman is more of an Ironman Jr. Meanwhile, War Machine, who was supposed to be his replacement in Ironman 2, gets a cameo in The Falcon and The Winter Soldier.
@@lanceislateagain Yes. Thats exactly what i meant. MCU has made Tony the focus. I was a surprised when they Made Tony, Spider-man's Mentor. Lets face it, he is by no means the most Moral or Ethical of the Avengers. So i never understood why Peter Parker would stick to him and not someone like Captain America. Spider-Man and Iron man are Worlds apart from each other in Demeanor and lifestyle. Robert Downey Jr. makes Iron-Man very likable. But in the Regular Marvel universe. Iron-man is not the kinda guy you want to put all your trust in.
@@lanceislateagain you make good points
I’m actually astonished at how well the effects and CGI still hold up. It’s a 17 year old film and it still LOOKS great.
Plus it was a big step up from the 2002 film
Yeah, a good balance of physical props and a little bit of vfx for icing can make for a great shot.
The cgi wasn't as over the top in this film don't remember it being as prominent in the first one either. The 3rd is when it got a bit crazy
The best CGI is the one you can’t notice.
I have to disagree. In multiple fight scenes you can see that Doc Ock and Spider-Man are just straight 2004 cgi and looks choppy. I still love the movie don’t get me wrong, but the visuals are kinda dated.
Noticed how Spider-man never defeated Doc Ock. He made Doc realized that Doc is the only one strong enough to defeat himself
One of the best villain redemption scenes in cinema.
Honestly even though Doc Ock was a villain who almost killed dozens of people, his death is pretty sad overall.
Like if anyone agrees.
It-it-it was. :(
Alfred Molina is the perfect Doctor Octopus.
Whose actress should be play as Ottoi Octavius/Doctoress Octopus with Alfred Molina as Otto Octavius/Doctor Octopus in Sam Raimi's Spiderman Universe in 2004's Spiderman 2
Agree.I can’t imagine any other actor in the role other than him
How old is Alfred Molina
@@carolyncolebeck981 68
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The fact that even the limbs on Ock are legitimate characters in this movie, and you can somewhat distinguish them from one another and figure out different personalities for them, really shows just how perfect this movie is.
HOLY SHIT THEY REALLY DID IT😭😭😭😭😭 AND THE TENTACLES HAD PERSONALITIES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perfect... or cringe.
Yawg moth nah it’s perfect. The majority has decided.
@@TylerG13 its very good for 2004 thats for sure, Spider-Man 2 is a great film
@@yawgmoth6568 cringe? Can you elaborate on that please?
@@yawgmoth6568 how is it cringe exactly?
In the novelization, he was boiled alive by the fusion reactor while the arms begged him to save them.
"Sometimes to do what's right we have to be steady and give up the thing we want the most, even our dream."
When I was kid I didn't even bother to understand this quote but the more I grow, this seems to be really relatable to me... :'(
People were convinced this Doc Ock returned to his villainous ways in No Way Home, but seeing the 2nd trailer, he may still be the same Doc Ock who sacrificed his life to save New York.
It's literally confirmed by how he finds out in this scene... unless he finds out from a news broadcast in the mcu.
I’m calling it now. In now way home it will be the three spiders and Doc Ock vs Green Goblin, Sandman, Lizard, and Electro.
@@kingbuggy7491 Sure looks like it when it seems like Electros lightning is where Doc Ock used to be when he falls/gets struck.
I mean, i still don't get how it could be post-redemption Doc Ock if the first thing he does after arriving in the other universe is attacking the first Spiderman he sees
If it was post-redemption Doc Ock he should be like "Peter what happened, where am i" and then later realize he isn't the Peter Parker he knows
I read somewhere that he actually died and it’s the arms now in full control of him….. which is why he has returned to villainy….. not sure. Just happy to see him back!
"I will not die a monster"
17 years later
"Hello Peter"
He's still a monster
Maybe he won’t be a villain 🤔🤔
They better not retcon his redemption
He hasn't died yet
Heard a speculation that he's not actually bad, but just pretending to be bad and help Peter in secret by sabotaging the other villains or soemthing.
We havent seen the movie tho so who knows
7:19 stuck in my head for many many years after seeing his heroic sacrifice, while I am glad Octavius is cured now from No Way Home, this film still had him become heroic, saving New York even at the cost of his own life.
“You once spoke to me about intelligence,that it was a gift to be use for the good of mankind “
Hits different after no way home
And I love the fact that when doc ock has him in the choke hole he doesn’t try to fight him, or remove his arm. Because fighting him again wouldn’t have done anything good. Great writing by Sam raimi
I liked how the arms had minds of their own. At first the arms were just trying to protect Ock and then slowly started to corrupt him. Sounds a lot like Venom tbh
I hate when my Blight slides
I believe it has to go with the theme that “Power” corrupts the good.
@@Donnydarco100 most Spidey villains are like that their powers control everything in their body and make them bad people.
Arguably you could say the same about Green Goblin. Norman Osborn was a good guy, though somewhat unstable and vain/jealous of others. The Super Serum (or whatever his version was called) corrupted his mind and his already egotistic nature became amplified to the extreme.
Well to be fair it was likely a desire to fulfil their purpose that drove the arms.
Alfred is perfect for doc ock, im glad he returned in spiderman: no way home. Brings back nostalgia
Right. Great actor
I'm not. They're going to ruin his character for profit.
@@natedeichard1261 the multiverse is fucking awesome so nah you're wrong
@@bioshock8787 nah he’s right
@@trehundobeatz6359 how?
3:33 I love this moment. Because Otto was tired of a world where men like Norman were on top. And he was sure that spiderman would be some arrogant narcissist in the same way.
But then it turned out to be someone he knew, not only that but one of the few people he respected as similar to himself. He can’t believe it.
“Peter Parker, brilliant, but lazy”
Peter was the ray of hope for otto, that the world wasn’t damned and controlled by evil men.
7:54
I love how the lights on Ock's arms flicker and go out, shows that the arms die with him
Yeah, love that little detail. The novelization makes it sadder - as the arms are shutting down, they futilely plead for their "father" to save them :(
@@1wngdngl I love the top right tentacle was mostly shocked and negative on Doc when he said he was right.
3:37 I love that little smile of euphoria he gets when slowly retaining his mentality back like he is reminiscing over a fond and funny memory to him while repeating it to Peter as an inside joke.
As of this reply, the time stamp of the video is the same numbers as the like button, your welcome.
@@JellyGeneral47 thank you
that was brilliant from Alfred
that left eyebrow though too
I think that’s the moment he got dragged into the MCU
Alfred Molina and Willam Dafoe were the best actors in the No Way Home, The interaction between Tobeys spider man and Doc ock was heartwarming I’m glad Doc Ock redeemed himself once again
Yeah, it was great! I only wished we could've gotten one scene of Tobey's Peter interacting with Norman.
@@somerandolad I mean technically they do...
6:19
Andrew Garfield too
@@somerandolad What would you imagine they would have said, though? I'm curious. Peter 2 has nothing but bad news for Norman, seeing how his son tried to follow in his father's footsteps and died...not to mention Peter's last words to Norman renounced him as a father figure in his life. I'd genuinely love to see a good conclusion for the two of them, but I don't know where they'd factor it in.
5:56 Those keys were the same as when Spidey also saves the baby from the burning building. This time, he saves Doc Ock but with a slowed version of the soundtrack.
6:19 I love the tension created in this scene. The emotions displayed great disparity. 10/10 would watch all over again. This scene alone captures the true essence of Spider-Man 😉
Originally, he died a redeemed villain. Now, he’ll live long enough to be a hero.
NWH was amazing
I'm now picturing a hero Doc Ock trying to talk some sense into Peter (heavily influenced by the symbiote) in Spider man 3. Would be a great parallel between the actuators and symbiote manipulating them.
@@nicolekathtrespicio3560 Honestly? Though cured Doc Ock and cured Norman don't exist in the same timeline, I can see both of them lessening Venom's effects on Peter in the third movie.
Otto and Peter would probably share a talk similar to the one featured above, and the parallels would be amazing, maybe leading to a distraught Peter swinging away to the belltower to get rid of the suit.
As for Norman, he'd use Oscorp's resources (or he'd ask Harry to use Oscorp's resources) to trap Venom and separate it from Peter, because Norman remembers how helpless he was against the Goblin.
But these are just opinions
I mean, if he had Tobey by the throat when he was taken, surely he’d have to do the same thing he did in this scene upon returning. That, or he returned to a destroyed city.
Doc Ock was taken from the moment right before he was naturally redeemed anyway, SPOILERS BELOW
unfortunately the only difference would be that he would be missing an arm and that might make him unable to drown the machine and then the world gets destroyed
There are some really good quotes in this movie.
1. "Intelligence is a gift to be used for the good of mankind. A privilege... "
2. "Sometimes , to do what's right , we have to be steady and give up the thing we want the most , even our dreams."
I think these two qoutes sum.up the movie message..
3 . “ this is really heavy”
That’s so true!
You forgot the best one “Pizza Time”
Here's your change !
3:19 i like how Peter looks over at Otto as soon as he wakes up, like the spider sense could tell that the actuators had been weakened enough that Otto could actually be reasoned with now. nice detail
Or he's like "the only one who might know how to stop it is the guy who built it."
You sacrificed your dream, your life's work and saved the city in doing so Otto. You definitely did not die a monster! Alfred Molina was perfect as Dr. Otto Octavius/Doc Ock!
4:54
Octavius: He’s right.
Mechanical Arms: The hell he is!
hah!
One of the arms: no no he's got a point
Nah, cause why did it legit sound like it said that? 🤣🤣🤣
@@maskplayer60 upper right arm was like- "ayo maybe we should hear him out before we like destroy the universe"
They actually didnt want him to listen to peter
“To do whats right, we have to be steady and give up the thing we want the most, even our dreams.”
For those who saw no way home, this quote hits a lot harder now
😭
You know i was watching Spiderman two in TV a few miniute ago
So nostalgic
Oh no. No. You don't get to do that. Sit in the corner and think about what you've done.
They already taught this lesson in this movie so it’s not like it’s something new
Exactly bruh
@@ridosaputra5273 l
6:25 i love this part
I know what you did there 😅
*“Get religion”*
Doc Ock is such a well written villain. Always love to see how in the end he lost everything and still did what was right. Beautiful film
"this is really heavy."
Little bit of levity to break up the finale, these are without question the best spiderman movies and have gotten better with age.
While I'm not at all a fan of MacGuire's spidey, the way these were shot really sets them apart from the cookie cutter formula of the MCU.
@@johndicks819 It's astonishing but pretty much everything you said was incorrect.
@@johndicks819 wow you are... completely wrong!
"This is heavy!"
*Marty McFly has entered the chat*
"GREAT SCOTT!!"
*Doc Brown has entered the chat*
2:30;Clear!
"I will not die a monster"
Kevin Feige: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?
Lmao
Eh we’ll see in about 3 months or so
he doesn't necessarily seem evil in spidy3, ock usually isn't evil just corrupted
The arms are in control of his mind again. Simple explanation
@@yousifassar4275 It will just spit on his conclusion, he sacrifice himself for fix his errors. Make him back at this moment of the story like a villain (again) will be terrible
Have y’all noticed on 5:37 it’s the same track when dr Octavius tricked electro thinking he was gonna finish off tobey and Andrew
6:19 Tobey's scream when the iron wall broke felt legit like hell
5:07 This moment was powerful for me as a kid. It showed how he gained his own will back instead of being controlled.
i love ur profile picture 😳
I always liked when the Arms got pissed whenever Doc tries to do something right!
And I mean, ultimately superhero movies should inspire us to be great, so that's awesome!
if only it stayed that way
@@liamdalemon1525 It did lol. Doc Ock got sent to a separate universe where he never died. So therefore, his sacrifice in this is still canon.
4:03 Utterly amazing that what Peter eventually uses to best Doc Ock isn't brute force or cunning, but lessons he was taught throughout the movie by Aunt May and Octavius himself. It's so heartwarming that there's more to the film than "might is right"
Exactly
that is the brilliance of this film. it balances beautiful heartwarming messages with some good old fashioned asswhoopings. extremely rare in action movies
When Peter took off his mask and got choked, it really shows us a more human aspect of Spiderman, he's a person and not just some super hero with powers. I loved the Raimi films Spidermans suit would get pretty ripped up and thrashed in every film.
@@videodeposu8741 yeah, but i think that conversation isn't for defeat doc ock, Its only to convince him to get end of the sun, even doc ock doesn't want FIGHT with him no more, he's hold spider Man chest but in a point that he could speak, he tighten spider Man involuntárialy when he was talking with his machines, the FIGHT ends when spider Man electrocuted him
Alfred Molina was such a gold in this film! He came back for No Way Home only for the money and still gave 110% of his performance is honestly incredible! It just shows what a professional he is. Actually it's fair to mention that everyone did a great job in that film and especially the former cast just proved once more why we loved them so much back in those days.
3:35 He saluted Peter. A teacher shows respect even to the student. Doc Ock looks so innocent and shy here. I loved the facial expressions
7:58 The sunglasses sinking into the abyss with Doc Ock gave me chills. They’re so iconic.
He'll be back.
And change his glasses
And change the color of one of his mech arms
I didn’t notice till now?!
No way home,imagine Alfred was dead the whole time his arms were using his body like a puppet just to killed 3 Spiders.
I’m really glad Octavious finally got a redemption that didn’t require him dying.
I think he did die regardless. He was transported back to his universe to the moment when he had to make the sacrifice to save the city.
@@vetarlittorf1807 I don't think so? Cause the whole plot of curing them only for them to die once they get back useless. All redeemed villains are probably safely back but in an alternate timeline.
@@vetarlittorf1807 maybe when he got back, he and peter worked together to sink the machine and then got out together.
@@nicolekathtrespicio3560 Well in that case No Way Home ruined Spider-Man 2's perfect ending.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Unlikely due to the nature of timelines; this ending would still be canon in the universe that Maguire's Parker was drawn from, but would be changed in the universe Octavius was returned to, basically creating a new timeline.
Peter really knows how to help Otto understand his wrongdoing. The tentacles were controlling him, and he needed to take back control of himself
"I will not die a monster"
True, he didn't. He died as a awesome redeemed villain
This is how Doc Ock should be portrayed. A scientist driven mad through longing for his work to be appreciated. Torn between vengeance against those who rejected him and his dream of being recognized for his genius mind and his inventions. And I love how this film expands on his tragic background and turn him into a sympathetic villain who gets a well deserved chance of redemption in the end.
There's just something about Raimi's Spiderman movies that the newer ones don't have.
@Kevin C Not just that. Some of the dialogues are quite profound as well; like there are lessons to be learnt from it. This is why Raimi's Spiderman movies are the best. But No Way Home might just beat it.
Probably the sense of awe
Comic book feel, and the superhero development is amazing too
Quality?
Okay, I'm being dramatic, I actually liked Spiderman homecoming...but Far from home was pretty generic imo...seen it, forgot about it the next day.
That's why I'm really not excited about No way home...it's cool that they're bringing the multiverse, but if it's as generic and boring as Far from home, no thanks.
“Omg thats awesome!”
2:08 Why does no one talk about this part? This is huge character development for MJ. She finally gains some confidence after her many difficulties through life have kept her down mentally, like with her parents and her failed relationships. I think there's a lot of merit to MJs Character.
Kinda
Yeah, people dismiss her a lot although she wasn’t great she had a lot of problems for a long time and that’s shown as good character development
I love when Peter takes the mask off and Doc Ock goes “brilliant, but lazy with a smirk” as if he realizes instantly “oh he’s not lazy he’s the exact opposite of lazy”
I noticed the same thing. I love this movie
5:50 i love this scene, that look on Otto eyes to Peter is like "Dont remember me as the villian but as the man you admired before"
That’s so beautiful 😭😭😭
"You are everything I wanted to be! You just... Threw it away!"
As a kid, This was my favorite shot in the movie. At the time, I thought it looked cool to have him look at the camera facing away from this artificial sun he created. As an adult, I genuinely cried a little. The shot here is perfect. The way his theme swells into a more heroic sound as he slowly turns back gives me chills. I wish I could explain further why this is one of my favorite movie moments of all time, but it’s just too perfect to put into words.
Ramadan
Doc Ock: the power of the sun
Tobey: In the palm of your hand
I cried so hard
im gonna put dirt in your eyes
I missed the part where that’s my problem
Kratos: Rips Head off.
Doc Ock: Peter?
Tobey: Otto.
Doc Ock: It’s good to see you, dear boy.
Tobey: It’s good to see you, too.
Doc Ock: You’ve all grown up. How are you?
Tobey: Trying to do better.
Doc Ock: 😃
@@brittanyc.4540 Green Goblin: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Joker: Hey! That's my line ya little freak, you ain't funny
5:30 I know Pete got stopped by Ock, but I will appreciate the fact that he was willing to potentially sacrifice himself without hesitation
I love him for that
Sam raimi's Spider-Man was extraordinary trilogy. No one can replace the whole trilogy nowadays.
Strange: “Do you know Peter Parker who’s Spiderman?”
Doc: “Yes”
Strange: *points to Tom* “Is that him?”
Doc: “No”
Tom: sad*
@@erenyeager7705 is this real?
@@alessiodelcastillo1613 i just saw him depressed when doc ock said no
@@alessiodelcastillo1613 yeah just search up doctor octopus is that your spiderman
Strange points to Andrew: "Is that him?"
Doc Ock': "No!"
"Everybody loves a hero. People line up for them, cheer them, scream their names. And years later, they'll tell how they stood in the rain for hours just to get a glimpse of the one who taught them how to hold on a second longer. I believe there's a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble, and finally allows us to die with pride, even though sometimes we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most. Even our dreams".
-Rosemary Harris as Aunt May, Spider-Man 2 (2004)
"But the one thing they love more then a hero, is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually, they'll hate you. Why bother?"
-William Dafoe as Norman Osborn/Green Goblin, Spider-Man (2002)
Because "Whatever comes our way, whatever battle we have raging inside us, we always have a choice. My friend Harry taught me that. He chose to be the best of himself. It's the choices that make us who we are, and we can always choose to do what's right."
-Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker/Spider-Man, Spider-Man 3 (2007)
These movies had the best inspirational lines. Especially aunt may in spider-man 2
Tom Holland: But Mr Stark, I'm nothing without the suit.
@@nerdseyeview5017 "If your nothing without the suit, then you shouldn't have it".
7:33
A feat of Tobey’s strength that no-one seems to ever mention
I love this scenes...When MJ discovered that Peter is Spiderman !
My God when he said “a privilege” my heart literally just cracked. What a amazing line.
Your heart *literally* cracked? How you still alive bro
@@BenjaminWater because he put a bandage on it
But earlier he said it was not a privilege 🤔
@@nizzisnice5478 no, he put noodles on it.
No, he stole soiderman's webs and stuck his heart back together but it dissolves every 2 hours
Here after Molina just confirmed his No Way Home appearance will start right after this moment.
@My PeePee Itches your momma wears a weave
He just drowned the artificial sun, apparently he wasn't dead in this scene.
@@thewolverine5895 yup you’re right, when he goes underwater it’s where he somehow ends up in the future
@@thanosmaster-abel559 Not end up in the future, probably he goes into hiding for long time.
I'm guessing with Wanda going through the multiverse looking for her kids, people start pouring out of said places
Hence Molina's Dock Ock
Back when secret identity meant something.
7:18
"I will not die a monster."
You died a hero, Doc. You became a hero in villain history.
I showed my brother this movie and his reaction to Otto’s arc was “Those 4 mechanical arms have more character development than Rey”
who the fuck is rey
@@sebastiangonzalez4623 star wars.
@@sebastiangonzalez4623 lol seriously
@@sebastiangonzalez4623 reyd shadow legends
@@PlayerPro119 damn u just played him. It's like a weaker version of a rickroll
Whoever originally memed the Toby’s scream in this scene, you know what you did.
It’s such a great piece of acting, but the meme makes me laugh, and now I’m mad! 😂
The best thing is, he didn't just scream. He screamed and quickly acted to prevent the death of his loved ones.
Wow I haven’t watched Spider-Man 2 in a few years. It’s unreal how much better this version of Spider-Man is than MCU
6:19 the best moment in cinema history
The way Octavius says “it was my dream” breaks my heart, it’s so earnest and pure
Non è il doppiatore di Gaston
My ranking of superhero trilogies
1. Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy
2. Gunn's Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy
3. Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy
I'd hate for him to have this character development and last line about "i will not die a monster" only to be a villain again
@Victor Greenwood or maybe those hentai tentacles of his managed to manipulate him again.
In the beginning of the Far From Home Trailer you can see the train of this movie where Doc was fighting Spiderman, so you can assume they got the evil version of Doc of when they were at the train fight.
@@ViniciusGeek yeah that make sense too.
@@Nahobino777 So, this guy’s a walking corpse now ?
many are hoping for a copout where hes actually going to be a supporting character
I find it so incredibly powerful that Peter Parker is the type of hero to save millions of people with just the lessons he's learned. Just words.
I love how for the entire film, only Peter knows he’s Spiderman. Then in the last 20 minutes, Harry, Doc Ock, and MJ all learn that he is. Brilliant, gripping movie!
Pretty sure aunt may also knew