Let's Play Riven (2024) - part 6 - Mining marbles
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- We made it onto boiler island, and have to do some manual labor.
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It was funny when you mentioned that the pump is a lot faster in game than it would be in real life because I had the exact same thought about the boiling water earlier in the episode. After you redirected the gas and the water stopped boiling instantly I was just thinking, "I still wouldn't go in there for a very long time".
I'm shocked that you never played Outer Wilds. Seems like a game you'd love.
Outer Wilds is a must-play. It is the game that most clearly took the best inspiration from Riven and turned it into something new and great without being derivative. Cyan needs to study it closely because Outer Wilds is light years beyond its recent games.
@@adamlindsley1143 Another game I'd like him to play is Lighthouse: the Dark Being
I hadn't thought of that, but absolutely!
There's a lot of games I'd call a flawed masterpiece and Outer Wilds is one of the few where the caveat is not necessary. Definitely one of my favorite games of all time, alongside Tunic.
I would go absolutely feral to see Sven blind play Outer Wilds. I know blind isn't usually his style, but dear god if there's a game for it...
"Given the fact that their accursed numeric system requires you to know which way a symbol has been rotated in order to read it" but Gehn, you...but your numeric system...but D'ni numbers...oh, never mind.
It has the little notches on the sides, it. doesn't. COUNT
@@JaneXemylixa Doesn't count? But it's a number system, it literally does count... oh forget it, my brain hurts.
I love that you can practically HEAR the smile in Sven's voice as we all pretend we don't know that the D'ni numbers are base 25. Like, he's hitting all the marks of walking through it like he's working it all out, but it feels like he's smirking just a little bit at us, like "Yeah, I know, but we all know the way that I've gotta do this so let's suspend our disbelief together :)"
I'm kind of disappointed that the developers didn’t put the paper press that was kept out of the original game into this version. And really, there should have been an additional structure with the equipment needed to turn the processed wood fiber into sheets of paper, like a mixing tank, deckles, molds, the paper press, and lines for hanging out sheets of paper on fabric to dry.
Also, the discarded oven below Gehn's lab is yet another example of how wasteful he is. There is no reason why that metal couldn't have been recycled, but he has his slaves to mine and process more ore for him, so he doesn’t care.
14:17 Of all the changes they made for VR players, this is probably the most comical change they did just for a hatch on the floor lol
Last time I was this early I got trapped in a prison book
There's a path on top of the cliff that you missed, which lets you see the dome.
In the original Riven, they made it seem like you were going to fall into the tree shredder when you go to the boiler island for the first time. That doesn't happen in this version.
Yep right it was scary feeling
Cyan Worlds: Just to be clear, we have nothing to do with anything on Disney Plus.
If this was a Journeyman game, that wood chipper would result in at least one game over card.
Or a Sierra game
@@ScooterBond1970Tickets Only... NEXT!
I must admit that the animation of the people characters actually works in this. I was afraid it was going to be like myst 5 with how awful the human characters look in it. But the creators actually did this remake some justice. I'm impressed with the slight changes cause it's not too drastic. It actually works quite well with the story and everything else in the game. Bravo Cyan!!
whoah, the reflections and colors of the mine look so good, jeez
At 12:28 this just reminded me of the pipes we had to go through in the Teledahn Age
My apprehensions have been allayed
I 100% think the "wait 15 minutes" achievement is a reference to URU TPotS. As is, I think, the release date of 25 June, or in American date notation: 6/25. With 625 being the number of waiting from TPotS.
The way I worked out the number symbols suggests to me that the Rivenese number system must be at least base 13. You have digits 1 - 10 as shown here, but given the whole symbol rotation thing and that symbols always come in mini-sets of 3, I figured you could rotate 10 the same way and end up with an 11 and 12. And of course we don't have a symbol to represent 0 (possibly the central dot with no triangles?).
How high the number base goes would of course depend on how many triangles you can stack before it becomes visually distracting. I myself can't see adding any more than what we see in the game. MAYBE a third stacked triangle, which would add another 6 digits to the system (for a total of base 19 -- whew!) but I think that's a bit much. Although, if you then added a fourth stacked triangle set, it would add yet another 6 digits for a total of... 25... BUM BUM BUUMMMMMMM
My thought is it’s not a base system at all, since the Rivenese are basically in the Stone Age. Their system is more like a tally system than a true counting system. In theory they would just keep adding pips forever - but they don’t really work with large numbers.
A giant shredder, a giant boiler… In the hands of another developer these would have been instruments of adventurer destruction.
> Enter boiler
You enter the boiler.
*** You have died. ***
Would you like to restore, restart or quit? _
@@Gourmetrix
Your total score is 10 out of 95.
This gives you the rank of ‘junior plumber’. :)
"That wasn't a very HOT idea you had there."
Regarding the pellet machine in Uru: you can trick the game by pausing, changing your system time and then continuing the game. Otherwise I would never have managed to make it on the high score board. Still took me several days though.
Just beat it today. I absolutely loved it, wonky models aside. Can't wait to see what I missed with this playthrough.
23:31 I completely missed that lever when I played through the game. I actually had to look up what to do since I though I didn't solve the puzzle correctly 😭
Love the old Myst games!
9:30 Didn't see anything in there either, but it was said in the booklet that there was a burnt book inside.
Goodbye Frog Your free now 24:42
Well your logic on the number system makes sense, I started having the same idea on it when I saw the number in the journal that looked like a date. You read it as 3'4 at that point or, 34. But considering the number system that didn't make sense really. And considering indeed you could put two numbers in it, yeah, 25 digit instead of 5 digit. Guess that first date is 79 or so then.
Though now I'm wondering why that test sheet in the school had the number it has. If I recall correctly I'd deciphered the two separate numbers as 17'20, so that should translate to 445 I think. Which doesn't seem to refer to anything... maybe it's still really just some kind of mark number after all? Ah well, guess we may or may not ever figure out.
On another note, if the last date is that recent, and considering the facility looks like it was all ready to go for further processing of various items. It kind of feels like things were left behind mid work and they went off to attend to something else. And I guess never came back? Or perhaps they're wandering around somewhere else on the islands right now and just haven't ran in to them so far.
Also I'm confused why something like a furnace seems like it was thrown from up high, it seems likely a fairly recent event. Was it discarded? Or did something happen that made them do it for some reason? Hmmm... I suppose alternately maybe it was just not solidly affixed or so and then perhaps some earthquake might have caused it to fall instead?
Well various questions remain I guess. But guess something or maybe multiple things occurred recently that caused disruptions.
The island reminds me of the Gouffre de Padirac in France.
Why didn't Ghen think to just carry a hear source to get through the underground cave full of water - the heat would push the water out of the way like it does for the submarine. Wouldn't have to use the pump, and only people with a portable heat source would be able to get through.
16:10 I feel like we see a lot more stuff in the remake that must be electricity powered but no mention of how that electricity is generated. The water pump, Gehn’s microphones etc.
Well there seems to be plenty of hot steam around, so at a guess the steam got used to spin something? Assuming it is of course electricity and not some other D'ni thing.
For a minute I thought the cursor was mine.
The frog trap reminds me of Achenar's room
Wow that stone or marble polishing machine looks great
19:07 not only is it an incredibly fast pump, it must be some weird d'ni technology because it's well above the waterline but instantly self-primes.
the nozzle is resting just below the lower platform. it can create a vacuum and then draw up water that way. could also have been still primed after power shut off with a check valve
@@cailco100 True, it could definitely already have been primed!
The numbers are most easily understood and converted as base 5 instead of base 25. just that there are two numbers per position.
The symbolic nature of each digit does make more sense that way, but the place values still rely on base 25.
I love how you can hear a difference in Robyn's musical style in the cave soundtrack vs the rest of Riven. It's really neat, I think.
I agree. Shame that it doesn't match, but I just love Obduction OST so much I don't really mind
When I first started this video it was in 1080 but once I switched to 4K, wow this game looks gorgeous! I'd played all the previous videos on a laptop so it had looked closer to the original (which still looks good despite the low resolution), but in 1997 I was blown away by how Riven looked! glad they updated the puzzles to make it worth getting a new version.
14:00 Shame you didn't look left, or was it on purpose?
Such a unique thumbnail idea to have the D'ni numbers in the episode parts
Well my favorite Rivenese music track just change din this video.
Also I still think that every time you turn that pump pipe outside the boiler water, hot scalding water should come shooting out. I mean, I'm glad it doesn't, but I want to know how it works because it's always puzzled me.
Just noticed the d'ni numbers 1-6 in your vids pics.
don't think that is 34 would be 3 lots of 25 and one lot of 4 so it would be 75 plus 4 making it 79. will admit that unless the stranger doesn't know how D'ni numbers worked, I would probably also guess 34 instead of 79.
Edit: Should have known Sven would get into D'ni numbers further into the video.
33:50 There should be a 0 too. Probably an empty box. How else to write 25, or 626?
Actually, they have a base 5. Split the number over 4, and instead of turning the multiples of 5, move it one to the left. This is a little more compact, though. But easier to learn multiplication tables up to 5 than up to 25!
0 is an empty box with a dot in the middle - it shows up in Uru (as a "delete" icon, cleverly enough).
Also 25 can be written as a box with an X throughout, but I don't remember if it shows up in Riven. I suppose the difference between this symbol and the 1-0 way of writing twenty-five is a bit like the difference between the words "dozen" and "twelve".
@@JaneXemylixa Thanks. I didn't have a chance to play Uru back when it was released. Though I may have seen it watching Sven play it.
@@JaneXemylixa That is actually very interesting!
So, could the number 25 be written both as the single digit "X" or as the two digits "I dot"?
Edit: I guess that's exactly what you said at the end of your comment, isn't it. 😂
That's a lot of concretions!
So many new things miller bros done a lot
Been looking forward to this🙂
Myst 5 end of ages remake will be mind blowing
How much wood could a wood shredder shred, if a wood shredder could shred wood?
I've seen people get a sequence of strike compensations that doesn't include any numbers 15 or greater, which seems undesirable, because figuring out numbers less than 15 without noticing the rotation thing is quite likely.
They also have to consider the range of the device vs the total of base strike value + compensation value.
I've always seen the base value be 9, which leaves room for a compensation of 15 or 16. If the base value were variable, they could constrain it to be *no greater* than 9 (though 10 would also still allow a compensation of 15, players could figure out 15 by virtue of the fact that it's the only option other than zero they don't already know the symbol for, once against avoiding the need to figure out the rotation). Allowing a base value of 15 or greater, with mostly negative compensations, would also work.
Its natural gas sven
13:57 Someone call Keith Ballard - we have located columnar jointing!
edit: Oh, of course he's already played it to the end. I have to listen to every little thing he says about these rocks
See u in next vid sven
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@@TheInkPitOx why to edit
Door was modified
I dont like to run in games too sven walking is the best
I think gens old lab was better looking
Yes sven this music dont fit riven its obduction style
Hi sven cant we walk in the water
stranger doesn't like to get shoes wet
@@ScooterBond1970 but he was in the water slightly cant u hear water splash sounds