Khaenriah Summon THE TRAVELER! - Genshin Impact Theory [Part 5 of 6]

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  • Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
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    In Version 3.3 or more specifically in Archon Quest - Inversion of Genesis, Scaramouche yet once again shared to us a very unique statement or rather an important one beside “The False Sky Statement” He said in Version 1.1.
    This time, He got that info from Pierro, the Leader of the Fatui Organization itself.
    What do we get from those statements? Is this a new revelation? What is even the summoning? Is Khaenriah responsible for that summoning or what?
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  • @hellozenn
    @hellozenn  Год назад +8

    NOTE:
    - I just remember that in version 1.1 Unreconcile Event, Pierro send scaramouche to investigate the fallen rocks, that's the Leonard Constellation. It seems like that Pierro thought if that meteor(?) is the fallen star. So, it's most likely Pierro had already experience with it which is connected to my theory here. I forget to put this into my video 😅

    • @nawawii3750
      @nawawii3750 Год назад +6

      He wanted to see if it's a new descender

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +2

      Yeah exactly...I wonder if we will see another meteors like 1.1 events. And still wonder in 1.1, that's rock falling, how and why? Did I missed something or forget something? Hmmm 🤔

    • @nawawii3750
      @nawawii3750 Год назад +2

      @@hellozenn why? Probably the Fatui had a hand during their investigation.
      How? Dunno

  • @saberkun4506
    @saberkun4506 Год назад +18

    Indeed, khaneriah summoned both, or wanted one and got lucky and got an extra. But key note is that he/she began his/her journey after the calamity of khaneriah (traveled with dain than for a while according to Dain) the first worked and lived with khaneriah in their war against the heavenly principles while the other twin slept, since khaneriahs worked with the irminsul, trying to retrieve the celestial nails affecting it is related to this effort I bet, and that's why the first awoken twin got recorded. When calamity happened than he/she awakens the sleeping twin and attempt to escape where they came.... Than rest is history .. so scenario A brother!!! All the way.

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +2

      Oh my my, that's interesting

    • @saberkun4506
      @saberkun4506 Год назад +2

      @@hellozenn your analysis as well! Always enjoy listening to them, keep it up!

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +1

      Glad to hear that! 👍

  • @drachenhexer
    @drachenhexer Год назад +14

    Here's my continuation on this video: Khaenri'ah summoned our sibling but didn't know that they were twins. Because our traveler likes their sibling so much, they decided to follow them into the world of Teyvat. At first they didn't know we followed them or didn't care because we shouldn't be there. In any case, they headed further to Khaenri'ah and left us alone.
    There are different ways to continue but they have similar outcomes. At the end a disaster happens, probably caused by us, because we aren't supposed to be there. We try to flee, but can't and then the story begins.
    It makes even more sense as we still try so desperately to find our sibling and our sibling saying the quote "we have always had enough time". There's no need for them to meet so soon again, while they're on a mission.

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад

      Woahhh, your continuation is really good tbh, nice 👍. I'm glad that you put here and allow me to read that
      Thanks 🍡

  • @ece-po7us
    @ece-po7us Год назад +2

    We know for a fact that:
    a) The traveler and the sibling arrive at the same time as we see in the opening cutscene (two stars descending)
    b) The sibling wakes up the traveler and tells him that they have to leave which results in the encounter with the sustainer
    c) Whatever happened in Khaenriah didn't start until a while after the twins arrived because the sibling spent some time in Khaenriah
    Now about what scara said:
    "The heavens responded to the summoning"
    Scaramouche is implying that the sibling came to this world knowingly and willingly while the traveler did not. This would explain why the sibling woke up first and continued with her mission and left the traveler to sleep. Her fist destination being Khaenriah shows that she was there on a mission from the very start, not by chance. Now why would aliens from another world be called to a mission on Teyvat? My theory is that the twins are one of the shades of Phanes. The heavens here are referring to the primordial one, not celestia. Whoever is ruling teyvat now is not the primordial one, the kingdom established in the heavens (as stated in the battlepass cutscene) but something else. They were summoned to Khaenriah because they knew of Celestia's plan to destroy Khaneriah. They failed somehow and were forced to flee and finally wake up the traveler.

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +1

      that's pretty good take, i like it 👍....I wonder what actually make them failed...is it because Gold aka Rhinedottir...hmmm who knows yeah🤔

  • @hirods9889
    @hirods9889 Год назад +5

    Really cool theory here, I want to had a fourth scenario for the twins arrival. (I will take lumine as the sibling here)
    My idea is that they didn't arrive at the same time but Lumine arrived first and then the traveler. Maybe something went wrong during the summoning or khaenriah (or someone else) summon him after
    When the traveler talk about his awekening he tell 3 things
    -his sister wake him up and tell him they have to flee
    -he was inside a meteor
    -the cataclysm was underway
    and now that we have the confirmtion that lumine live in khaenriah for a time why didn't she wake up her brother ealier? and even if they needed him to stay asleep to maybe record him in the irminsul or anything else, why was he still inside a meteor instead of a room or a lab, that would make no sense. I'm pretty sure the traveler still have some memories missing but we'll have to wait and see
    For the heaven... I don't believe there is someone above celestia but I have a crack theory
    Phanes and the second kill each other or after their fight phanes was fataly wounded. After that one of Phanes Shade decided to take his place (unknow god maybe) since he(he for simplify) was out of commission and play as if nothing had change, explaining why celestia's attitude seem to have change after this fight
    Conclusion
    I don't thinkthe twins arrive at the same time because that seem strange lumine waking up WAY before the traveler and the traveler still inside a meteor
    Phanes as most likely dissapear and now he's Shades are kind of in a dissagrement. That why Istaroth help the humanity but the unknow goddess seem a bit more....aggressive (It's crack so I have nothing to back that one up)

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +1

      That's interesting take 👍
      Also, if you want to know, in original draft for this video, I have more than 3 scenarios, including yours hahaha but again, it will take more complicated so instead I will agree into one baseline and that is the assumption if the twins travel together and fall at the same time.
      yeah the sleeping traveler is also the weird part, but i guess there's many secret that the traveller would never tell to us as player any time soon....why Hoyo why XD
      As usual, thanks for watching, supporting me and leave nice insight. 🍡

    • @hirods9889
      @hirods9889 Год назад +1

      @@hellozenn yeah I understand, if we consider the fact that they could have arrive separately that raises more questions

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад

      I guess for future video about Traveller past? Who knows... that's good idea...thanks

    • @Alex-vv2ud
      @Alex-vv2ud Год назад

      Abyss Traveler woke up earlier because their meteorite landed in Khaeanriah, they helped her or him

    • @hirods9889
      @hirods9889 Год назад

      @@Alex-vv2ud even so the abyss sibling 'live in khaenri'ah for a time' that mean at least a few months. They should have known if another meteorit had fallen nearby

  • @Lemonorange367
    @Lemonorange367 Год назад +2

    Ok. I’m hoping I’m not going too far a head, but yes the Jester knows. Maybe more or less than the Tsarista? That I’m not sure. But before Scaramouche became the Wanderer, he tells Lumine her brother was summoned by the heavenly principles and that he lived in Khaenri’ah with the Jester who was a royal Madge at the time. Scaramouche says the Jester told him this. So yes The Jester knows a great deal. And we know more because Scaramouche was trying to be helpful to Lumine because he has no more affiliation with the Fatuii.

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +1

      Yep 👍...It is correct.

  • @lnsflare1
    @lnsflare1 Год назад

    Theory: Khaenri'ah recovered the twins when they landed in/created Starfell Lake (since Khaenri'ah extended below nations at least all the way to Inazuma) and awakened or cloned/possessed the sibling, who in turn awakened the Traveler during the Cataclysm and tried to leave Teyvat because they thought that they were the original sibling, who is actually still asleep or possessed.

  • @hioajwkwi2607
    @hioajwkwi2607 Год назад

    I think twins are(or were) working for higher entity, and summoning in khaenriah was their second summoning in teyvat. In first they were there together, but after encounter of the unknown god only 1 sibling escaped from teyvat(maybe during 1st summoning they did something against heavenly principles). And they were summoned again and this sibling can't save khaenriah without traveler.
    Also there must be reason, why our sibling don't trust Dain(even so he clearly cares about them) and is so attached to the khaenriah. One of those reasons can explain why they were recorded in the irminsul raleted to khaenriah

  • @monadolifesaver5613
    @monadolifesaver5613 Год назад +2

    Khaenri'ah almost definitely was cursed by Celestia to never be granted an Archon, general element, or even lesser deity, so judging by the fact they had mages and alchemists messing with entities from beyond, I personally find it likely that the Archons hold some deeper meaning than just a symbolic head of state or to ward off invasion. I guess their purpose may be to simply gain favor as a nation with Celestia and not face destruction.
    Judging that Khaenri'ah was left beneath Teyvat and Irumnsil's realm, they were likely held of from not only gods, but that one element (both metaphorically and literally), light. Therefore, the nation likely had division between those who followed advancement by magic and those by force. At the center of this were probably the royal guard and mages, and likely by means of compromise, they joint their ideas to summon and bound a new God from beyond the firmament.
    The two parties likely acted separately at short points after the invasion of the surface world had begun. The mages had gathered all necessities to summon, but the guard had too. The parties could have had an colossal elemental catalyst prepared (not the weapon, though that could be cool, I'll explain later), yet it was but one catalyst. At some point during the summoning, the ratio was likely doubled by excessive materials sacrificed, so the yield of literal deities was multiplied. This was unintended by both parties.
    The twins were likely personifications of primordial concepts at that point which would effect many worlds. Khaenri'ah pulled them both from beyond the stars with the intent of bounding the sole deity they wished for. They didn't notice the second once they started to bind the first through Irumnsil's roots.
    It then became clear that something was wrong and Celestia, who later ignored Scaramouche's own actions, disagreed with a free and empowered deity running loose.
    So Celestia ordered the Cataclysm through the Archons and 15:21 Sustainer (who I believe is just a front) as a means to destroy the free outlander god or at least seal its power. The sibling being bound managed to escape during the binding process and flee with the traveler, only for the Sustainer to be marveled by the bound siblings apparent changes when they were "cubed." The traveler then had their power sealed and was cast down 5 centuries later than the twin who was fully bound by Celestia in the end under the disguise of Khaenri'ah's false god.
    Why was the traveler freed rather than destroyed or implemented as a full pawn? Because the Sustainer herself is not Phanes and chose to in retaliation to her role (idk why, but that's my guess), also the Sustainer broke part of her being off like Buer, sending Paimon to by the all-knowing yet somehow ignorant guide.
    Celestia isn't invading the work of the Tsaritsa or the Abyss since they are completely disconnected right now due to the Sustainer being currently nonexistent.
    Now the sibling is just a pawn of stray Celestia who thinks they're the god of the Abyss, and the traveler is gaining new elemental ability and being pressured by Paimon into reclaiming the sealed power we've forgotten.
    So the catalyst they used, if the weapon type, could be being used to control the twin through a third party.
    Thanks for coming to my disconnected conspiracy Ted Talk.

    • @monadolifesaver5613
      @monadolifesaver5613 Год назад +2

      Don't question the time stamp, you can just assume Zhongli is theorizing this crap while you read.

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +2

      Oh my, I read all of them, and that's quite interesting take, especially what Khaenriah was doing as you explained there.
      Also, yeah it is indeed conspiracy theory hahaha XD
      anyways, thanks for your support and leaving the comment here 👍

    • @nawawii3750
      @nawawii3750 Год назад +2

      Celestia didn't trigger cataclysm though... Khaenraia was overrun by monsters and getting destroyed by abyss before Celestia intervention.
      Makoto confirm that Khaenraia was a place no archon can ignore. So it seems even without Celestia summons, every able entity needed to respond one way or the other.
      Khat was fighting the monsters, by the very huge ruin guards, with people operating from inside. And the monsters did them huge damage that couldn't be repaired in the place.
      Khaenraia accident is likely similar to Deshret. They opened a bridge to somewhat beyond the world, and through the bridge cane good things, but also bad things (forbidden knowledge).. so they summoned the twin.. but what followed is the reason of destruction.

    • @monadolifesaver5613
      @monadolifesaver5613 Год назад +1

      @@nawawii3750 I never said that wasn't a possible factor. But everyone's currently engrossed in the idea that Celestia ordered the destruction, just like Celestia likely cursed them with immorality. There's evidence Celestia ordered the martyring of Orobashi by way of the Shogun, so I find it most plausible that the modern Celestia wants to maintain order through force rather than be benevolence. So rather than destroy Khaenri'ah out of necessity to protect Teyvat, the modern Celestia used it as a show of force to the Archons, a way to cleanse the world of the godless nation, and a malevolent act which practically brought damnation upon the innocent civilians in Khaenri'ah.
      I'm convinced Khaenri'ah was pulling in beings they shouldn't have, but I'm more convinced Celestia started the majority of the Cataclysm, otherwise, why on Teyvat would both the monsters of the Abyss pray for the engulfment of the throne, the Tsaritsa and her Fatui start a war with destiny, and the Archons willfully surrender their Gnoses?

  • @shozinks
    @shozinks Год назад +3

    The khaenri'ans probably used the Imaginary tree to summon the twins.

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +1

      Imaginary tree?

    • @shozinks
      @shozinks Год назад +2

      @@hellozenn I just assume the Irminsul is either a branch of the imaginary tree, or they are one in the same. The Imaginary tree is a tree in Honkai Impact where all universes and bubble worlds are spawned from. And they use that tree to observe other worlds. I also assume that if the twins were summoned by someone they'd probably do it via the tree.
      Since all the branches of Irminsul can grant artifacts which are manifestations of memories and ideals. And they can grant materials needed to Wish.
      Branches of Irminsul being The Frostbearing tree, Tree at windrise (possibly), Dragon Queller (possibly), The Sacred Sakura, Irminsul stands in Tsurumi Island and The Chasm. And the Tree of Dreams in Sumeru forest and a tree we saw in the recent livestream.

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +1

      @@shozinks Ah i see that's what you mean...quite interesting to follow

    • @nawawii3750
      @nawawii3750 Год назад +1

      Mora have imaginary symbol.and the mural in all domains show sane symbol but broken.
      Paimon have imaginary symbol, but it's flipped, upside down.
      So Paimon is the opposite of imaginary?

    • @shozinks
      @shozinks Год назад

      @@nawawii3750 She's...
      REAL

  • @reedshahab9576
    @reedshahab9576 Год назад +1

    Bro good theory you made me sub

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +1

      Aww thank you, i hope you enjoy the rest of the video series, unfortunately, i currently take a break for making video theory, might be 1 week after 3.4 update gonna prepare making video again....🍡

  • @aimanfly7136
    @aimanfly7136 Год назад +2

    Talk about magic and summoning ritual, don't you think that pretty much an Isekai cliche? If you don't know usually in Isekai anime, the Summoning ritual is perform by Great mage of the Kingdom to summon the Hero (yuusha) from another world in order to help defeat the Demon King (Maou) that threatening the world. For the Hero to defeat Demon king, they usually possess some Extraordinary ability that suppass any human being in this world (isekai world). For example the hero possess large amount of Mana and magical energy, have special unique ability, have magic tool that only can be use by them or any other super ability they possess.
    So, back to the world of genshin, there are some question that we can ask:
    1) Is Magic can be use by anyone?
    -> From the most isekai story, usually only the Noble can actually use magic because they have high Mana from most normal people. So only royal blood can use magic. We already know that Khaenriah Method of rule was monarchy system that consists King, Queen and Nobles. So pretty much they can use magic, but we still don't know that can anyone other than Nobles use magic or not.
    2) Who is the Demon king?
    -> if the Summoning ritual was conduct by the royal mage, so what the purposes of summoning is actually? Let say the purpose is to defeat the Demon King or any powerful entity that threatening them. So this demon king can be any higher entity like celestia or primodial one or maybe other entity that we still don't know.
    3) Why this 'Demon king' is consider as Demon king?
    -> The title of demon King usually given to Powerful being that can potentially destroy the world or put the world into chaos. So if the Celestia or PO is consider as Demon king, does that mean that they threatening the world or maybe only threatening Khaenriah. if they threatening the world, so why heavenly principle even exist?
    Conclusion, there are so many question that we still can ask based on all this ideas. if we relate one by one, we can find another theory. if we do the brainstorming of course. but unfortunately, I'm out of brain juice right now and hard for me to elaborate so much detail. maybe you can came out with your own ideas based on this. Have a nice day.

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад

      Thank you so much for your great insights here.
      Yeah, I'm indeed familiar with Isekai genre hahaha, that's why I came with this idea as basic and then change it a little bit.
      My current idea to why they do the summoning is because battle against the abyss thingy...to further explanation, well I can't find any word to say now...😅
      Anyways, glad to see that you enjoy the video

    • @aimanfly7136
      @aimanfly7136 Год назад

      @@hellozenn hahaha, I indeed enjoy it. The theory about isekai you mentioned in the video really intriguing my mind. So many thing we can explore from it.

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +1

      Nice...it is indeed like Hoyo slogan : Otaku saves the world 😅...Genshin with combination of anime plot and genre 🌠

  • @SubutaiProduction
    @SubutaiProduction Год назад +2

    Loved this theory

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад

      Aww thank you so much for watching and commenting here...I hope you enjoy the rest of the series 👍

  • @laur4a768
    @laur4a768 Год назад +1

    maybe Khaenri ah was where is todays Mondstadt, city of freedom/ without god ruling it directly. And it seems that we will return to it in end game since there is so much happening in background that we don't really know yet

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +1

      I wonder why Kaeya's Father leave him in Mondstadt....is it because Mondstadt has close relationship with Khaenriah? hmmm 🤔

    • @nawawii3750
      @nawawii3750 Год назад

      Freedom is within heavenly principles though ... Barbatos is an archon of Celestia after all

    • @laur4a768
      @laur4a768 Год назад +1

      @@hellozenn some theorize that because everything is cyclical in genshin that at the end of our journey some civilization will be destroyed 🤔 Food for thought 🤷‍♀

    • @laur4a768
      @laur4a768 Год назад

      @@nawawii3750 same as Khaenri'ah no? Tho they were nation without ruling archon, heavenly principles reacted

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад

      Hmmmge...

  • @arnowisp6244
    @arnowisp6244 Год назад +12

    There's still one problem with the theory of the Primordial one winning against the second who came.
    Why are there records of existence erased in Teyvat and forgotten if they won? Why erase the fact they existed?

    • @starlight14673
      @starlight14673 Год назад +2

      well who knows maybe p.o lost and second removed them...and that goddess of flowers memories could be altered by them as they brought "illusions"

    • @arnowisp6244
      @arnowisp6244 Год назад +5

      @@starlight14673 Exactly. The fact the Primordial one just disappeared from Teyvat memory even after there apparent victory really doesn't make sense.

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +4

      Well, the book and the artifacts said like that, The Primordial One wins tho and the second who came fail. After that war, Primordial one or the master of the heavens consumed by Fear.
      You can check that too. 👍
      Anyways, thank you for commenting here.

    • @starlight14673
      @starlight14673 Год назад +1

      @@hellozenn well i have a question..who summoned the siblings?
      did jester did or someone else?
      and is the loading screen the real heaven?
      and if then are traveller siblings are some sort of angels who have came to help tevyat ????

    • @nawawii3750
      @nawawii3750 Год назад +2

      The invaders was defeated, that's 100% fact, not theory.
      If you read paradise lost lore, GoF say it straight, the invaders was shredding the very fabric of reality, they scared PO to the degree of throwing nails to mend the land, and not caring about destroying his own civilization.
      He also cut the connection with the divine envoys (the Seelie). He forbid them to return to the heavens. Same with Enkanomyia, he forbid them from returning to the surface. Both accounts of Enka and GoF confirm he won, and changed his methods drastically.
      Now about nails and destruction they inflict.. nails are made of crystal.. likely resin of some sort.. they are counter to abyss powers, and purify dark mud and everything similar. So the destruction they cause is a side effect, because human doesn't get weak or get negative effects from crystal.
      So far, we know that nails can affect three things: abyss (it purify abyss energy and dark mud), machines (Yelan overload nail to one shot the ruin serpent), and Irminsul (it destroyed mountain Irminsul)
      GoF warns Deshret from seeking the master of four shades, because nails and destruction would follow.. hinting that PO is intentionally hidden, and actively retribute whoever seek him. And knowing HoYo and Honkai.. he's probably locked in inter-dimensional space (like the space under chasm).
      Now back to GoF and her actions with Deshret ... She ended up opening a bridge to him, to something beyond this world.. she either spent all her energy, or she was hit by a nail in the face immediately. Because that's the moment she died. That bridge allowed Deshret to go, and bring whatever he needed to make eternal life for himself and his followers.
      He also brought the forbidden knowledge that started to do exactly what the invaders did in the war against PO.. Rukkhadevata spent her power containing it, but it wasn't enough .. Deshret had to sacrifice himself in the end..
      That very very much sound like the tree story from "before sun and moon" .. and Deshret seem reincarnation of PO, and GoF seems king's priest (reincarnation of Istaroth), and Rukkhadevata seem the Gardener.
      So if the desert story reflect the second war story in a sense. PO won, but had to sacrifice/lock himself up, and prohibited people from seeking him, or finding info about him. (Probably to save them from the corruption he endure, it the changes he got through)..
      Rukkhadevata actually repeated this story again, getting corrupt and need to be removed. And that might be exactly what happened .. Khaenraia opened the sane bridge GoF used. But lacking someone with Rukkhadevata and Deshret power and knowledge .. things got out of hand..
      So the summoning brought both the twin, and the forbidden knowledge. And boom

  • @Alex-vv2ud
    @Alex-vv2ud Год назад +2

    The fact is Pierro and Traveler were living together in Khaeanriah for some time. Maybe they weren't enemies. And Dainslef, he can't be trusted.
    But if Traveler live in Khaeanriah before calamity, beginning scene in game doesn't make sense or was wrong interpreted, idk maybe Travelers weren't trapped exactly 500 years ago but earlier, how wrong is this timeline

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад

      They know each other....🤯....lets see if that is the case in the future story...

    • @Alex-vv2ud
      @Alex-vv2ud Год назад +1

      @@hellozenn Well I mean sibling Traveler knew Pierro, other rather not, we don't know for sure

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад

      Yep, it's quite more interesting if they know each other. One in Tsaritsa side and one in the abyss order

  • @bluestrider2562
    @bluestrider2562 Год назад +2

    I am now of the opinion that there are possibly 2 misconceptions that we and the Traveler are under. I think your theory is on the money so to say. I believe you got like 80/100%. I believe that what's really going on is that the Second Descender fell to the world and was welcomed by the Ancient Civilization with open arms. I believe this event was celebrated. This led to the exchange of culture and knowledge. Unbeknownst to the citizens of the Ancient Civilization it was considered a crime against the Heavenly Principles. Thus it led to a schism amongst the humans, Seele and gods or a civil war. Those who argued against the prohibit of knowledge and arrest of the Second Descender who was now considered a criminal.
    The world was sundered by the Heavens for this rebellion. Continents were shattered causing volcanic eruptions or as described by the Traveler, "rivers of flame". And thus began a time where its a sin to even question the Heavens. Think about this, if the Siblings appeared 500 years ago, tried to leave, and was stopped by the Sustainer. Why would the Sustainer catch and release the Abyssal Sibling, Lumine in my case? That seems dumb. According to Nahida, the Abyssal Sibling suddenly appeared in Khaenri'ah. No mention of the Traveler, Aether. No mention of being captured by the Sustainer. So I suggest your theory is accurate. But I propose Lumine was the Second Descender. When the Ancient Civilization was destroyed she rushed back to collect Aether, telling him they need to leave. Thus leading to their dual capture.
    According to everything we know in game, Khaenri'ah was a land without gods. So where did they get their knowledge from. I propose, they learned it from researching the Ancient Civilization. They learned how to make automatons, albeit lesser versions, and they learned the secrets of the forbidden arts of Khemia, who I also theorize was partly founded by the Second Descender, Lumine. The evidence lies when Dainsleif in the Chasm tells the Traveler the ancient ruins remind him of Khaenri'ah but far older. I also propose that Khaenri'ah took inspiration from the Ancient Civilization's architect and fashioned their own from these ruins. What if they took more than information and inspiration from the Ancient Civilization? What if in their research they discovered it's name and decided to honor them, their human ancestors, by taking up their legacy by naming their nation after them? What if the Ancient Civilization was also named Khaenri'ah? Then the timeline falls into place!
    The Second Descender comes to Teyvat. Their actions lead to the destruction of Ancient Khaenri'ah. They flee, get to their sibling, inform them of Khaenri'ah's chaos and try to leave. They are stopped and apprehended. But for some reason they aren't or cant be deleted. So like a virus they are quarantined. Fast forward thousands of years to (new) Khaenri'ah. Through their research, they discover about the Second Descender, who brought knowledge to their ancestors and went on to summon them and simultaneously breaking them out of quarantine. And suddenly, Lumine appears in Khaenri'ah (new). Shares her story with them. Meanwhile, 500 years later when Aether, the Traveler, awakens. The last thing he remembers is fleeing the destruction of Khaenri'ah (ancient). But he is not aware that their are two Khaenri'ah's, as the knowledge of the Ancient Civilization has been destroyed. Thus, when he discovers about the Cataclysm of 500 years prior, he naturally believes that is the nation of Khaenri'ah they witnessed instead of the Ancient Civilization, or whom i suspect was also named Khaenri'ah.
    Additional proof lies in the Travelers words of "rivers of flame". According to all testimonial during the Cataclysm, while there was wide spread destruction, their hasn't been any testimonial of rivers of flame. Darkness, corruption, blood, death and destruction. But no rivers of flame making the world anew. But what civilization was obliterated when continents were sundered? What do volcanoes usually do when such tectonic forces are applied? They bathe the world in flame. That description aptly applies to destruction of the Ancient Civilization. If the Cataclysm of 500 years was this described event, then ask yourself this; how come so many "field tillers" survived? They practically liter Teyvat. If their were rivers of flame, their should be wide spread evidence of burnt and charred marks or even outright melted remains. Their shouldn't be so many operating and walking around if it was the event the Traveler described.
    Also, humor me, with this idea in mind, go back and re-watch the conversation with Dains when he asked the Traveler what they remember when they awoke. It might be my imagination. But you can almost see Dain making the connection with Ancient Khaenri'ah and the history he learned 500 years prior by perahaps having heard Lumine's full story. Thus both players and Traveler are under the misconception Khaenri'ah of 500 years is the event they are recalling but in actuality its from the destruction of the Ancient Civilization, the original Khaeri'ah. This would also prescribe why the Abyssal Sibling is so determined on justice and retribution. They most likely, inadvertently, caused the destruction of both Ancient and New Khaenri'ah leading citizens of Teyvat to suffer needlessly.

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +2

      1. First and foremost, Thank you so much for watching my entire video and leave the comment here. I'm glad that you share your thought and insights plus allowing me to read that. I really appreciate it.
      2. I don't have any respond that i can say now to your whole paragraph there, but I indeed read the whole of yours and tbf, it takes me interest. So, cmiiw, what I get is that, there are Cycles which involve the twins especially the other sibling (in this context Lumine) and Khaenriah has two referring, one that's ancient unified civilization and another that copy and learn from that ancient, also named as Khaenriah. 🤔
      3. Overall, thanks for sharing here, let me take note for your insights and digest it slowly into my brain, because it is indeed a lot of ideas and texts. So yeah, here's 🍡. I hope you enjoy the rest of the video.

    • @bluestrider2562
      @bluestrider2562 Год назад +2

      @@hellozenn Yeah its alot! lol
      tldr: The Ancient Civilization was named Khaenriah. The god-less nation of 1000 years ago, took so much inspiration from the Ancient Civilization they honored their legacy by naming themselves after them.
      Lumine was the Second Descender. When she tells Aether, Khaenriah was destroyed she was talking about the Ancient Civilization. Thus leading to the Traveler's misconception of mixing up the Cataclysms Khaenri'ah with the Ancient Khaenriah. They were captured by the Sustainer. Leading into your theory of (new) Khaenri'ah summoning the sibling, Second Descender who had helped the Ancient Civilization, my theory.

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +1

      @@bluestrider2562 Ah i see, then i will take note for that, as consideration ideas 👍

  • @NanaNanaque
    @NanaNanaque Год назад +4

    So pierro saied don't hack ? And thay wished got 2 5stars and celestia cought tham cheatig and nuked tham ?

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +1

      And then win the 50/50 😅

    • @NanaNanaque
      @NanaNanaque Год назад +1

      @@hellozenn ofc khaenri'ah had to be on top

    • @nawawii3750
      @nawawii3750 Год назад +2

      That's exactly what "forbidden knowledge" is.. the way to rig the pity system.

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +1

      @@nawawii3750 Hahahaha, oh my God 😅

  • @Roihclem871
    @Roihclem871 Год назад +2

    The heavens in gnosticism would refer to the pluroma (sp) where the true God is while demiurge is confined to earth by Sophia. I always think back to teyvat being a continent and not the world, it must be much larger

    • @hellozenn
      @hellozenn  Год назад +1

      Is it the other reference for Monad? 🤔

  • @thesmilyguyguy9799
    @thesmilyguyguy9799 Год назад +1

    =-D