Make sure you have a licence to fire it and own the black powder. It’s not a firearm in most states and countries until you own black powder, and in America some states allow it to be fully loaded without a licence
Good work Mike. I have an Armi San Marco (Lyman) that I had the best shot in our club shoot 6 rounds through at 50 yards. His group was 2 inches. I chronographed it with round balls and it was giving me 950 fps with an SD of 9.
John Taffin was my 9th grade math teacher in 1985/86. I doubt some of the non-math conversations he had with students back then would be allowed now. Thanks for the video!
I love these comparisons. It was interesting to note that the Uberti, with a faster twist, did better with round balls, while the slower twist Pietta did slightly better with conicals - opposite of what would be expected. Thanks for creating this video!
No, i believe that's correct. He must have been thinking about it backwards, it happens. Heavier bullets need a slower twist, or they can "blast past" the first part of the rifling and not take full advantage of it. Lighter bullets (like RBs) can be spun more quickly because they have less mass.
Mike, I have been very interested in the guns folks took with them while traveling with the wagon trains west. I though it may be an idea for a lecture.
I have the Pietta. I prefer shooting Round ball out of it. Seems to be more point of aim with them. (non-modified sights) However it's not bad with conical's either.
Greetings from Colorado. I recently got into muzzleloading after a gentleman at the range let me shot his 40 cal percussion muzzleloader. I was hooked instantly, that same week a purchased a 45 cal Investarm unfired made in 1989 and a Traditions 50 cal trapper. I have acquired lots of knowledge from watching your informative, well made, and super entertainment videos. I really enjoy watching your videos, you do possess massive knowledge on this subject and the Civil War as well; the way you convey the information, one just want to keep listening. I really appreciate what you do and for the work you put on your videos. I just watched the video about your farm situation, very upsetting. I wish you the best and you have earned my respect Sir, thank you very much for what you do. God bless you and your love ones.
I have owned a Remington new army from ubeti for several years and I found it very accurate to shoot, on our shooting range we had bowling pins hanging from wires that was 4 mm thick and I could drop them every time from 25 meters away. Unfortunately I can't find my reloading data but as far as I can remember I used .457 round balls that I cast for myself from lead pipe because that was the softest lead that I could find. I should never have sold that one. Thanks for bringing back the memories. Greetings from the Netherlands.
I really enjoyed the video! The main advantage of the Uberti Remingtons is that they require little, if any, modification to shoot conicals. I did see your earlier video showing that you did have to do a little trimming off the loading port on your Uberti.
Hi Mike, I was kinda surprised they were close except that first group with the Pietta. The barrel twist difference did have a big affect on the groups as I thought it would. Thanks for all your hard work and time Sir you are appreciated.
Mike, Really nice comparison. I've shot a Remington Uberti 44 for 60 years with the North-South Skirmish Association...always with round balls and swaged Hornady for the last 10 years at breakable team targets at 25 yards and paper at 25 & 50 yards. My loading technique for accuracy: 20 grains of 3-F, Cream of Wheat over the powder to raise the ball flush with cylinder mouth. I smear MCM lube over each ball - SPG is good, too. German RWS caps on Ampco beryllium nipples. Trigger pull is 3 lbs. Soldered a piece of brass into the trigger guard - shaped smooth to fit invisibly and filed it back a little at a time to make a trigger stop to end trigger travel backward just as the shot goes off. We shoot "offhand" and my 60 year old Uberti can still break hanging clay pigeons at 25 yard...and score in the 90s when I'm lucky on paper. At 50 yards, I fire no sighter and stop when there are ten holes in the paper...it's tough and a high 70 score makes me smile.
60 years? You have been along since the replica era began. I've been in love withe the Remington since I first squeezed my nose flat against the window of a French gun shop while on holiday a kid around 1980. Alas, black powder guns are just as difficult to get to shoot here as smokeless, only air guns up to .177 are free for all.
I don't know how the current Pietta's are rifled but all the repros I owned going back to the 70's had very shallow rifling. Even an Uberti 1st model Dragoon I bought in the early 90's exhibited the same shallow rifling. Then sometime a few years later (post year 2000), the Uberti's I bought started showing strong and deep rifling. I've always felt that improves the accuracy of the pure lead projectiles these arms use. The most accurate C&B I ever owned was one of the Colt Black Powder Arms '51 Navy repros I bought in the mid-90's. It had deep rifling and I could keep a fist sized group from a bench at 50 yards, something I could never do with the faint "trace" rifling of the earlier repros.
I have a Pietta Deluxe model DRR 044 distributed by Navy Arms. It has the windage adjust able front sight and silver plated trigger guard. Supposedly has gain twist rifling and uses a 457 round ball. Reading online it is highly sought after as a target pistol. Last price on Dixie Gun Works is $1250 but out of stock. I lucked out when Val Jr was raising cash to buy out the business after Dad died and he sold my local gun shop a ton of stuff at really low prices. I also got a Paterson revolver. I paid $149.99 for the Remington. Seeing you shoot one makes me want to get mine out. Thanks
I like this test. I hope you do the same thing with some 1851 navies. it would also be good to know the powder charge used just for reference. But that will likely cause people to comment that they get so much better groups with their specific pet load.
I don’t understand why that is a problem? Working out loads for accuracy is a fundamental need in competition shooting. For example, I load my 1851 Uberti with 11 grains of Swiss 1 and when I practice regularly I will consistently score 94+. Can’t get anywhere near that when I have tried Mike’s regulation load. I suppose it depends on what level of accuracy you are looking for. Incidentally, you may not know but the Italian Navy versions are the same pistol chambered 36 Cal, not with the smaller frame as the originals. I suspect better groups should be had with them.
👍 Very interesting test. I understand the importance of tight groups, but feel hitting the point of aim is equally (or, arguably more important) it seemed to me the Pietta did better factoring in the projectiles seemed to come closer to your orange dot. Having said that I found these Colt/Remington/Uberti/Pietta tests extremely interesting. Thank you for sharing.
Just ordered a pietta 5.5 inch version. The twist on that is slightly different it is 1in30. I'm sure I won't be disappointed. It's my first cap and ball revolver. Only problem is that I'm finding it hard to find percussion caps online. They are nowhere to be had. Out of stock everywhere. Either way, I'll look at a few local shops around.
There are other conical bullets than the Civil War era "pointy" ones. Both Lee and Kaido have produced flat nosed "Keith" style bullet molds. .44 percussion revolvers are actually .45 caliber, so can use some bullets from later cartridge guns.
Watching Mike while sitting in the PDX, waiting on my flight down to South Carolina. A couple months back I picked up a new Pietta 1858 to compare to my mid 90's Pietta 1858. It took two tries to get a decent newer one to keep. Even though I kept the second one I still feel like the older one had more time put into making it fit together. The newer one has better drop in modularity with spare cylinders than the older version.
I have many Piettas and have been collecting them since I was a teenager way back in 75'. Their quality has come a very long way over those years. A little tweaking and smoothing is required of course but at least the timing, fit and finish are in a good place for the most part. I will probably buy an Uberti and a Colt just to have them for comparison, plus I would love a couple of new pieces. Great vid Mike!
If you're able to compare an original Colt to an original Remington against the data you've already collected, that would be a cool video. I'm looking forward to your return to Duelist Den.
Love the head to head series you’ve done with both Colt and Remington. Was curious if you’d be interested in trying a Walker or Dragoon at 100 yards? Or compare the two at distance?
I do like your theory of loading for every video. You are right that may be the only black powder revolver video a person sees and learns it safe and correctly from you.
I truly enjoy your presentations. This one should to rest which is better. In my opinion this was a superb way to show firearms performance factually.. I hope you keep doing this, regardless of weapon or caliber.
Excellent work. I've only got one question and you probably covered this in a previous video and just did it without mentioning it. But do you do any cleaning in between reloads? If so what's your process on that. Thx buddy. Funny story here, i first got my navy .36 cal and i used to be so afraid of capping it until i seen you pushing them on with a wooden dowel and saying to firmly seat them and that it takes an impact to set them off. I went from having caps not fire cause the first hammer fall just seated them to having all my caps go bang the first time. And no fear in loading my navy. Thx buddy, you're the man!!
Mike is there a preferred era of Piettas to stay away from? My understanding is these Italian BP replicas made anytime in the last 50-60 years have a date code in the proof marks. If that’s the case, it should be pretty easy to identify the year made and hence stay away from. It seems like most people prefer Uberti but I have also seen people staunchly defend Piettas too
I'm glad I tried the Remington (uberti) .44. Many people online said the hammer was a reach and the grip uncomfortable which scared me but it was on clearance at Midway so got one. Fits my hand a bit better than the 1851 and I find the hammer easier for me to reach. The Remington is a natural instinctive point shooter for me also. Guess everybody has a different hand structure.
This comparison is fairly relevant to me, I was just thinking of buying one so while I’m not interested in super accuracy I’d like to know the pros and cons of each. Getting into muzzleloading in general, would eventually like to hunt (with a longarm, .62 smoothbore trade guns are interesting me for versatility)
I always enjoy your informative vids. I have 3 Pietta NMA 2/8" ,1/5.5". Have you had any news when Estes will be shipping Goex out? I have Hornady balls and have a J&D mold and a Lee conical mold 6x from TotWolf.
Thanks for taking the time to do this. This is a Thursday ritual for me. I wonder if there are differences between the Piettas and Ubertis among the various distributors. You could also do a shoot out using cartridge SAs, with BP, from Cimmaron, Taylors, EMF, Traditions, et al....if they would send you samples. I know that Taylors and Traditions only sell the transfer bar versions now, and I wonder if there is a big difference between them and the old 4-click. Greetings from "Mayberry," NC.
So, I just today bought a Pietta New Model Army Remington revolver. I have not shot it yet but looking forward to it. Getting back into black powder of late. BTW, thanks for all the great content. All your efforts on this channel are much appreciated by a few of us gun-nuts.
There was a number of different factors that was on the firing line, the way the guns are built quality, the trigger fittings and crispness of break, as for you, the getting into the grove from the start, fouling of the barrels and chamber throats, (I saw that both pistols shot better as they were used and all the fouling shots had been fired) However, from what I witness was overall it is about what that particular pistol likes. I'm sure that there is a loading that each will shoot better than the other. Great video for someone that is considering purchasing the Uberti or the Pietta, great job Mike. Peace- Dave
An excellent comparative test with surprising results! Good job Mike! The feedback I have received from many of my Kaido Universal Bullets Customers is similar to Mike's results. I am informed that in Pietta Remington's in 44 and 36 produce excellent accuracies with my 220/240 and 36 145 380 Universal Bullets. The Uberti forged frame Remington 107 is an outstanding C&B percussion revolver, I took my 1st Wild Boar with it and my 240-grain Universal Bullet one shot at 25 meters. Pietta has come a long way with the C&C Machined percussion revolvers as compared to their 1980's generation.
Well that was interesting. The accuracy of the Pietta seems to get better with some fouling...huh. I was also suitably impressed with the second round of RB going to pretty much point of aim, which is nice to see. In point of fact both guns did so. These must be newer examples, as my older guns of both makes seem to be zeroed for a couple hundred yards. The Uberti really wanted to throw that last round of conicals high, too, again perhaps a function of fouling. Yet another fantastic shooting video. Thanks for all you do, Mike.
Probably because Pietta undersizes their cylinder bores so much compared to the grooves in the barrel so the fouling 'tightens up' the projectile/barrel interface. I'd bet that if it was chronographed, you'd see an increase in muzzle velocity too.
Fun test! I don’t know what the twist rate of the rifling is on my 1994 Pietta Remington but it shoots both RBs and conicals quite well. I prefer the LEE 200 grain conical for all my shooting with that revolver. I used it deer hunting a few years ago with that bullet and a 30 grain charge and it performed admirably. I practiced mostly at ranges of 40 to 50 yards in preparation for using it on deer and it was shooting in about 4 inches at those distances. I had no trouble putting that conical where I wanted it at the moment of a successful hunt. I’ll have to measure the twist rate on mine someday. My revolver also loads conicals in paper cartridges just as it should with no modifications. Maybe 1994 models are slightly different from the current ones. You. Uberti shoots quite well too. I don’t own any Uberti revolvers so I have no direct experience with them.
Always been a fan of Remington when it comes to pistols. Something about the way the colt is built with the floating barrel gives me the creeps. The solidity of a fixed frame is reassuring. The Italians have certainly done a fine job with these modern replicas.
The only Italian .44 I have is a Taylor's Cattleman in .44 Remington magnum. A great trail gun in bear country loaded with HSM 300 Gr Bear loads. Thanks for another very cool video muchacho
Have been vith this canal a long time and still like this canal a lot. I will stay as long as you are making this interesting and educational canal. I have an uberti cal 44 and are werry happy with this cun. How is the legal fight with your property going. Hope from all my heart you will win 🤞✌
Based on your experience - is it true that now Pietta became using better steel and improved over Uberti? I am about to buy SAA Percussion revolver and wonder if to buy Uberti or Pietta. Sellers with experience told me that in the past Uberti used to be better but now they started using poor quality and softer steel. Uberti are bigger and have market share. Pietta are trying hard to compete and started producing better quality recently. Do you agree? Should I choose Pietta for the SSA revolver? Thanks
Good video , I was wondering about the difference in quality and accuracy between the two gun makers . I have picked up a Colt manufactured 1851 and found it quite accurate at 25 yrds. My recent acquisition of an unfired Ruger Old Army makes me wonder about best bullet choice. . I have a supply of the Kaido bullets and wi) have watch your videos of that testing.
I always love your comparisons Mike and shooting with all types of firearms. I’ve always loved the craftsmanship of old guns especially considering the technologies and methods of the day. Perhaps this is an argument for reincarnation, this love and yearning for these weapons and history. It’s like the many trips to Gettysburg over the years and a yearning for the next. I suppose it’s like a homesickness. Grateful Thanks Mike and Many Blessings and Good Shootin! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Hey Mike, great video. The last few percussion revolvers I've picked up were the Pietta "Ace" and their 1860 army "thunderer", both .44 caliber with 3 inch barrels. Nice guns I'd say but I have no idea the kind of speed and energy you get out of "belly guns". Any insight would be much appreciated, and thanks again for this awesome content you really can't find elsewhere.
I recently bought a Uberti New model army distributed by Cimarrron. I noticed several improvements vs older YT reviews. The loading lever has a hemispherical face, the cylinder holes have been counter sunk, the hammer has no burrs, and the safety notches seem to be quite strong. I have not been able to force them over. I have had a hangfire twice though. After filling the cylinder with rubbing alcohol, I noticed one drained much slower than the other 5. The hole seems to have a defect of some kind. I ordered new nipples.
Hey Mike, Great video as always. After I watched it, I went and measured the twist on the rifling for my Pieta and Uberti, and they appeared to be exactly the same. The best I could estimate, 1 in 20"-22" range. Both of mine have 8 inch barrels and the rod rotated a good bit more than 1/4 turn and close to, but definitely short of, 1/2 turn. I got my Pieta maybe 7 or 8 years ago and my Uberti maybe 2 years ago.
Very interesting that as the shooting went on that your groups started climbing. I would be disappointed by the uberti if I had to rely on it. Was the fouling increasing the pressure causing muzzle rise? Uberti being a bit tighter in tolerances and such?
I did enjoy that. Both brands must be well made. I have a Pietta 1851(.44 cal.) which I modified for accuracy- long story, but it's very accurate and fun to shoot. I just like the feel of the 1851. I might buy an 1860 from Pietta one of these days. I shoot hodgdon 777, but I still think it smells nice!
Morning coffee and watching my friend Mike nothing better ☕️☕️☕️
I used to be partial to the Colts, but seeing the Remingtons perform like this has me thinking. Thanks for this test, Mr. Mike.
Same here. I think Colts are way better looking, but accuracy matters.
The answer? Own both!
I've had the Uberti version for over a year and still haven't shot it. You've inspired me to get my butt out to the range.
Make sure you have a licence to fire it and own the black powder. It’s not a firearm in most states and countries until you own black powder, and in America some states allow it to be fully loaded without a licence
Load as many shots as you want - you’re a good content creator either way. Much love for the channel and your work.
Good work Mike. I have an Armi San Marco (Lyman) that I had the best shot in our club shoot 6 rounds through at 50 yards. His group was 2 inches. I chronographed it with round balls and it was giving me 950 fps with an SD of 9.
I'm really impressed with the second Pietta groups, they were tighter than I expected. The uberti appeared to shoot higher than the Pietta
I have a Uberti Remington that was made in 1977 that also shoots high by the same amount.
Great comparison. Greetings from Poland.
ten rewolwer jest już chyba bardziej polski niż amerykański :D
John Taffin was my 9th grade math teacher in 1985/86. I doubt some of the non-math conversations he had with students back then would be allowed now. Thanks for the video!
John is one of the best.
Thanks, Mr Beliveau, for being impartial and for giving us a good idea of the quality of these two BP revolver.
I love these comparisons. It was interesting to note that the Uberti, with a faster twist, did better with round balls, while the slower twist Pietta did slightly better with conicals - opposite of what would be expected. Thanks for creating this video!
No, i believe that's correct. He must have been thinking about it backwards, it happens. Heavier bullets need a slower twist, or they can "blast past" the first part of the rifling and not take full advantage of it. Lighter bullets (like RBs) can be spun more quickly because they have less mass.
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Mike, I have been very interested in the guns folks took with them while traveling with the wagon trains west. I though it may be an idea for a lecture.
Mike has articles on his website from his days as black powder editor/writer for various magazines. They may contain helpful information.
always good to see you,,i do enjoy watching and learning, ,,thanks mike
I have the Pietta. I prefer shooting Round ball out of it. Seems to be more point of aim with them. (non-modified sights) However it's not bad with conical's either.
Superb basic research! These pistols were both accurate enough to shoot in a modern service pistol match! Thanks for the information!
Greetings from Colorado. I recently got into muzzleloading after a gentleman at the range let me shot his 40 cal percussion muzzleloader. I was hooked instantly, that same week a purchased a 45 cal Investarm unfired made in 1989 and a Traditions 50 cal trapper. I have acquired lots of knowledge from watching your informative, well made, and super entertainment videos. I really enjoy watching your videos, you do possess massive knowledge on this subject and the Civil War as well; the way you convey the information, one just want to keep listening. I really appreciate what you do and for the work you put on your videos. I just watched the video about your farm situation, very upsetting. I wish you the best and you have earned my respect Sir, thank you very much for what you do. God bless you and your love ones.
I have owned a Remington new army from ubeti for several years and I found it very accurate to shoot, on our shooting range we had bowling pins hanging from wires that was 4 mm thick and I could drop them every time from 25 meters away. Unfortunately I can't find my reloading data but as far as I can remember I used .457 round balls that I cast for myself from lead pipe because that was the softest lead that I could find. I should never have sold that one. Thanks for bringing back the memories. Greetings from the Netherlands.
I really enjoyed the video!
The main advantage of the Uberti Remingtons is that they require little, if any, modification to shoot conicals. I did see your earlier video showing that you did have to do a little trimming off the loading port on your Uberti.
Hi Mike, I was kinda surprised they were close except that first group with the Pietta. The barrel twist difference did have a big affect on the groups as I thought it would. Thanks for all your hard work and time Sir you are appreciated.
Accuracy aside, which do you feel was of higher quality? Great to see a video again.
Interesting video as usual thanks for taking the time to compare the two replica Remington's as not many of us have both Uberti and Pietta revolvers.
Mike, Really nice comparison. I've shot a Remington Uberti 44 for 60 years with the North-South Skirmish Association...always with round balls and swaged Hornady for the last 10 years at breakable team targets at 25 yards and paper at 25 & 50 yards. My loading technique for accuracy: 20 grains of 3-F, Cream of Wheat over the powder to raise the ball flush with cylinder mouth. I smear MCM lube over each ball - SPG is good, too. German RWS caps on Ampco beryllium nipples. Trigger pull is 3 lbs. Soldered a piece of brass into the trigger guard - shaped smooth to fit invisibly and filed it back a little at a time to make a trigger stop to end trigger travel backward just as the shot goes off. We shoot "offhand" and my 60 year old Uberti can still break hanging clay pigeons at 25 yard...and score in the 90s when I'm lucky on paper. At 50 yards, I fire no sighter and stop when there are ten holes in the paper...it's tough and a high 70 score makes me smile.
60 years? You have been along since the replica era began. I've been in love withe the Remington since I first squeezed my nose flat against the window of a French gun shop while on holiday a kid around 1980. Alas, black powder guns are just as difficult to get to shoot here as smokeless, only air guns up to .177 are free for all.
I don't know how the current Pietta's are rifled but all the repros I owned going back to the 70's had very shallow rifling. Even an Uberti 1st model Dragoon I bought in the early 90's exhibited the same shallow rifling. Then sometime a few years later (post year 2000), the Uberti's I bought started showing strong and deep rifling. I've always felt that improves the accuracy of the pure lead projectiles these arms use. The most accurate C&B I ever owned was one of the Colt Black Powder Arms '51 Navy repros I bought in the mid-90's. It had deep rifling and I could keep a fist sized group from a bench at 50 yards, something I could never do with the faint "trace" rifling of the earlier repros.
Good to see you shooting. The important thing is to keep moving forward. You are talented and have a big audience no matter where you shoot.
Thank you 🙏 I’ve watched all the new model videos on RUclips! We need more 😊
I have a Pietta Deluxe model DRR 044 distributed by Navy Arms. It has the windage adjust able front sight and silver plated trigger guard. Supposedly has gain twist rifling and uses a 457 round ball. Reading online it is highly sought after as a target pistol. Last price on Dixie Gun Works is $1250 but out of stock. I lucked out when Val Jr was raising cash to buy out the business after Dad died and he sold my local gun shop a ton of stuff at really low prices. I also got a Paterson revolver. I paid $149.99 for the Remington. Seeing you shoot one makes me want to get mine out. Thanks
Thanks Mike. It was interesting to see that those two revolvers were fairly evenly matched.
I have Piettas. Glad to have made that choice.
I like this test. I hope you do the same thing with some 1851 navies. it would also be good to know the powder charge used just for reference. But that will likely cause people to comment that they get so much better groups with their specific pet load.
I don’t understand why that is a problem? Working out loads for accuracy is a fundamental need in competition shooting. For example, I load my 1851 Uberti with 11 grains of Swiss 1 and when I practice regularly I will consistently score 94+. Can’t get anywhere near that when I have tried Mike’s regulation load. I suppose it depends on what level of accuracy you are looking for.
Incidentally, you may not know but the Italian Navy versions are the same pistol chambered 36 Cal, not with the smaller frame as the originals. I suspect better groups should be had with them.
Mike uses military loads As you probably know these are military guns originally intended to punch holes in people not paper.
Love having morning coffee with Mike shooting black powder.
I'm a 1956 Mike, looking at getting one of these two thanks from me hope you are feeling better
👍 Very interesting test. I understand the importance of tight groups, but feel hitting the point of aim is equally (or, arguably more important) it seemed to me the Pietta did better factoring in the projectiles seemed to come closer to your orange dot. Having said that I found these Colt/Remington/Uberti/Pietta tests extremely interesting. Thank you for sharing.
I want you to know that I look forward to watching each one of your presentations! Thanks for all your efforts!
Just ordered a pietta 5.5 inch version. The twist on that is slightly different it is 1in30. I'm sure I won't be disappointed. It's my first cap and ball revolver. Only problem is that I'm finding it hard to find percussion caps online. They are nowhere to be had. Out of stock everywhere. Either way, I'll look at a few local shops around.
There are other conical bullets than the Civil War era "pointy" ones. Both Lee and Kaido have produced flat nosed "Keith" style bullet molds. .44 percussion revolvers are actually .45 caliber, so can use some bullets from later cartridge guns.
Watching Mike while sitting in the PDX, waiting on my flight down to South Carolina. A couple months back I picked up a new Pietta 1858 to compare to my mid 90's Pietta 1858. It took two tries to get a decent newer one to keep. Even though I kept the second one I still feel like the older one had more time put into making it fit together. The newer one has better drop in modularity with spare cylinders than the older version.
Does your remington have a dove-tailed front sight? If yes, it should also have a fast 1-16" on top of that.
I’m sitting about 60 miles away from PDX checking out my Pietta Remington replica. 🙂
I thank you for continuing to make videos and continuing my education. Thanks Kenny
I have many Piettas and have been collecting them since I was a teenager way back in 75'. Their quality has come a very long way over those years. A little tweaking and smoothing is required of course but at least the timing, fit and finish are in a good place for the most part. I will probably buy an Uberti and a Colt just to have them for comparison, plus I would love a couple of new pieces. Great vid Mike!
Pietta 51 navy 44 cal. first time buyer ,appreciate info you put out,finally found caps,now to test fire,thank you sir👍☕️☕️✌️
Great test. I enjoy all of your content.
If you're able to compare an original Colt to an original Remington against the data you've already collected, that would be a cool video. I'm looking forward to your return to Duelist Den.
Love the head to head series you’ve done with both Colt and Remington.
Was curious if you’d be interested in trying a Walker or Dragoon at 100 yards? Or compare the two at distance?
I do like your theory of loading for every video. You are right that may be the only black powder revolver video a person sees and learns it safe and correctly from you.
Nice shoot out. I’m partial to Uberti’s.👍🏻
I truly enjoy your presentations. This one should to rest which is better. In my opinion this was a superb way to show firearms performance factually.. I hope you keep doing this, regardless of weapon or caliber.
I have a few more planned
Seems like they shot better with dirty bores. Always learning from you.Thanks
Really like this format! Thanks for the comparison Mike.
I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Great test and both did fairly respectable
'Nother good one, Mike! I had a "vested interest" in this one, being a Lli Pietta owner. Glad it did well.
I've wanted a Remington new army ever since seeing Pale Rider for the first time. I'm going to have to get me one of these Italian replicas.
...I just bought a Pietta Remington from Taylor's a few weeks ago when they had a sale...I'm impressed
Excellent work. I've only got one question and you probably covered this in a previous video and just did it without mentioning it. But do you do any cleaning in between reloads? If so what's your process on that. Thx buddy. Funny story here, i first got my navy .36 cal and i used to be so afraid of capping it until i seen you pushing them on with a wooden dowel and saying to firmly seat them and that it takes an impact to set them off. I went from having caps not fire cause the first hammer fall just seated them to having all my caps go bang the first time. And no fear in loading my navy. Thx buddy, you're the man!!
I swabbed the bore after each cylinder full
@@duelist1954 thx buddy!
Mike is there a preferred era of Piettas to stay away from? My understanding is these Italian BP replicas made anytime in the last 50-60 years have a date code in the proof marks. If that’s the case, it should be pretty easy to identify the year made and hence stay away from. It seems like most people prefer Uberti but I have also seen people staunchly defend Piettas too
I think Piettas made in the past 15 years are high quality.
Interesting results
Man, I love your video shootouts. This is a great wayto do our research. Good Job Mike. Thanks.
I'm glad I tried the Remington (uberti) .44. Many people online said the hammer was a reach and the grip uncomfortable which scared me but it was on clearance at Midway so got one. Fits my hand a bit better than the 1851 and I find the hammer easier for me to reach. The Remington is a natural instinctive point shooter for me also. Guess everybody has a different hand structure.
This comparison is fairly relevant to me, I was just thinking of buying one so while I’m not interested in super accuracy I’d like to know the pros and cons of each. Getting into muzzleloading in general, would eventually like to hunt (with a longarm, .62 smoothbore trade guns are interesting me for versatility)
Great stuff! You always make my Thursdays special. Thank you 🤠
I always enjoy your informative vids. I have 3 Pietta NMA 2/8" ,1/5.5". Have you had any news when Estes will be shipping Goex out? I have Hornady balls and have a J&D mold and a Lee conical mold 6x from TotWolf.
I believe they are shipping now.
Interesting comparison! Those Remingtons are pretty.👍 I am surprised how well the Pietta did with conicals, given the slow twist.
The two manufacturers are getting closer in quality and performance. Under Mike's expert hand they
were close to a tie.
Thanks for taking the time to do this. This is a Thursday ritual for me. I wonder if there are differences between the Piettas and Ubertis among the various distributors.
You could also do a shoot out using cartridge SAs, with BP, from Cimmaron, Taylors, EMF, Traditions, et al....if they would send you samples. I know that Taylors and Traditions only sell the transfer bar versions now, and I wonder if there is a big difference between them and the old 4-click.
Greetings from "Mayberry," NC.
Keep it up Mike, love your channel
So, I just today bought a Pietta New Model Army Remington revolver. I have not shot it yet but looking forward to it. Getting back into black powder of late. BTW, thanks for all the great content. All your efforts on this channel are much appreciated by a few of us gun-nuts.
Surprised that the Pietta would do so well with both balls and conicals with the really slow 1:32" rifling twist.
There was a number of different factors that was on the firing line, the way the guns are built quality, the trigger fittings and crispness of break, as for you, the getting into the grove from the start, fouling of the barrels and chamber throats, (I saw that both pistols shot better as they were used and all the fouling shots had been fired) However, from what I witness was overall it is about what that particular pistol likes. I'm sure that there is a loading that each will shoot better than the other. Great video for someone that is considering purchasing the Uberti or the Pietta, great job Mike. Peace- Dave
Get better soon! Stay on the ball! Love the work on your channel!
I always load 5 too Mike. Great video! Thanks Mike!
An excellent comparative test with surprising results! Good job Mike!
The feedback I have received from many of my Kaido Universal Bullets Customers is similar to Mike's results.
I am informed that in Pietta Remington's in 44 and 36 produce excellent accuracies with my 220/240 and 36 145 380 Universal Bullets. The Uberti forged frame Remington 107 is an outstanding C&B percussion revolver, I took my 1st Wild Boar with it and my 240-grain Universal Bullet one shot at 25 meters. Pietta has come a long way with the C&C Machined percussion revolvers as compared to their 1980's generation.
Well that was interesting. The accuracy of the Pietta seems to get better with some fouling...huh. I was also suitably impressed with the second round of RB going to pretty much point of aim, which is nice to see. In point of fact both guns did so. These must be newer examples, as my older guns of both makes seem to be zeroed for a couple hundred yards. The Uberti really wanted to throw that last round of conicals high, too, again perhaps a function of fouling. Yet another fantastic shooting video. Thanks for all you do, Mike.
Probably because Pietta undersizes their cylinder bores so much compared to the grooves in the barrel so the fouling 'tightens up' the projectile/barrel interface. I'd bet that if it was chronographed, you'd see an increase in muzzle velocity too.
Fun test! I don’t know what the twist rate of the rifling is on my 1994 Pietta Remington but it shoots both RBs and conicals quite well. I prefer the LEE 200 grain conical for all my shooting with that revolver. I used it deer hunting a few years ago with that bullet and a 30 grain charge and it performed admirably. I practiced mostly at ranges of 40 to 50 yards in preparation for using it on deer and it was shooting in about 4 inches at those distances. I had no trouble putting that conical where I wanted it at the moment of a successful hunt. I’ll have to measure the twist rate on mine someday. My revolver also loads conicals in paper cartridges just as it should with no modifications. Maybe 1994 models are slightly different from the current ones. You. Uberti shoots quite well too. I don’t own any Uberti revolvers so I have no direct experience with them.
Always been a fan of Remington when it comes to pistols. Something about the way the colt is built with the floating barrel gives me the creeps. The solidity of a fixed frame is reassuring. The Italians have certainly done a fine job with these modern replicas.
This was fun to watch.
The only Italian .44 I have is a Taylor's Cattleman in .44 Remington magnum. A great trail gun in bear country loaded with HSM 300 Gr Bear loads. Thanks for another very cool video muchacho
Have been vith this canal a long time and still like this canal a lot.
I will stay as long as you are making this interesting and educational canal.
I have an uberti cal 44 and are werry happy with this cun.
How is the legal fight with your property going.
Hope from all my heart you will win 🤞✌
I'm new to cap and ball revolvers. Thanks for this video!
Based on your experience - is it true that now Pietta became using better steel and improved over Uberti? I am about to buy SAA Percussion revolver and wonder if to buy Uberti or Pietta. Sellers with experience told me that in the past Uberti used to be better but now they started using poor quality and softer steel. Uberti are bigger and have market share. Pietta are trying hard to compete and started producing better quality recently. Do you agree? Should I choose Pietta for the SSA revolver? Thanks
Hey Mike. Im from a small pistol club in New Zealand . Just getting imto B.P pistols, You have been quite the inspiration .Love your videos.
Thanks!
I like the look of the Uberti better and it shot better all around. That's a win in my book.
Good video , I was wondering about the difference in quality and accuracy between the two gun makers . I have picked up a Colt manufactured 1851 and found it quite accurate at 25 yrds. My recent acquisition of an unfired Ruger Old Army makes me wonder about best bullet choice. . I have a supply of the Kaido bullets and wi) have watch your videos of that testing.
I always love your comparisons Mike and shooting with all types of firearms. I’ve always loved the craftsmanship of old guns especially considering the technologies and methods of the day. Perhaps this is an argument for reincarnation, this love and yearning for these weapons and history. It’s like the many trips to Gettysburg over the years and a yearning for the next. I suppose it’s like a homesickness. Grateful Thanks Mike and Many Blessings and Good Shootin! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
I really enjoy firearms comparison videos. I had assumed the revolvers had the same twist rate. Useful info. Thanks Mike.
I do enjoy these videos. Please keep em coming Mike. Thanks.
I like 6 better than 5, but Mike, you do whatever you feel is right for you. I'm OK with it.
Nice work. I'm happy with my Pietta Remington's accuracy. My Pietta 1851 Wild Hill Hickock special is my favorite for looks and pointability though.
Thank you. I always love your videos. I have never been put off when you load just five. It seems reasonable for safety.
One of my local gun stores just got in a shipment of Uberti 44 new Remingtons and drooled over them for a hot minute. Think I'll get one.
Excellent comparison.
Hey Mike, great video. The last few percussion revolvers I've picked up were the Pietta "Ace" and their 1860 army "thunderer", both .44 caliber with 3 inch barrels. Nice guns I'd say but I have no idea the kind of speed and energy you get out of "belly guns". Any insight would be much appreciated, and thanks again for this awesome content you really can't find elsewhere.
I recently bought a Uberti New model army distributed by Cimarrron. I noticed several improvements vs older YT reviews. The loading lever has a hemispherical face, the cylinder holes have been counter sunk, the hammer has no burrs, and the safety notches seem to be quite strong. I have not been able to force them over.
I have had a hangfire twice though.
After filling the cylinder with rubbing alcohol, I noticed one drained much slower than the other 5. The hole seems to have a defect of some kind. I ordered new nipples.
Great video. Lots of smoke! Very instructive presentation. Thanks.
Great to see you land on your feet; terrific video. Thanks for your work!
I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Cool experiment.
Hey Mike, Great video as always. After I watched it, I went and measured the twist on the rifling for my Pieta and Uberti, and they appeared to be exactly the same. The best I could estimate, 1 in 20"-22" range. Both of mine have 8 inch barrels and the rod rotated a good bit more than 1/4 turn and close to, but definitely short of, 1/2 turn. I got my Pieta maybe 7 or 8 years ago and my Uberti maybe 2 years ago.
Thank you for sharing with us. I'd make room for either brand. The top strap makes the Remington look more complete, and sturdier, than the Colt.
Great video and good comparison. Both faired well in the test. Thanks for your video.
Thank you both quality guns...
Great video, one question does a smaller powder charge improve accuracy? I believe the ordinance manual call for smaller changes.
Very interesting that as the shooting went on that your groups started climbing. I would be disappointed by the uberti if I had to rely on it.
Was the fouling increasing the pressure causing muzzle rise?
Uberti being a bit tighter in tolerances and such?
In my view. both pistols and loads are deadly and 20 yds. Thanks for another enjoyable video, Mike. Tom Ireland
I did enjoy that. Both brands must be well made. I have a Pietta 1851(.44 cal.) which I modified for accuracy- long story, but it's very accurate and fun to shoot. I just like the feel of the 1851. I might buy an 1860 from Pietta one of these days. I shoot hodgdon 777, but I still think it smells nice!
I like these but now I'd like you to keep on this very entertaining