"In the name of Sacred Germany, you're under arrest, General." "Are you threatening me, Colonel Stauffenberg?" "The Operation will decide your fate." "Only I can initiate Operation Valkyrie." "You did." "It's treason, then."
The operation would have succeeded if on of the following had happened: If the meeting had taken place in the concrete bunker or if the windows of the conference hut were closed. If both explosive charges had been used instead of 1. If the solid oak conference table leg was not between the briefcase and hitler.
Yes Stauffenberg and his friends. I think the Nazis were definitey "losing". Point : Too much on board taking on Soviets, losing since '43 on most fronts but still their V2s were scarier than i initially thought. They still believed they could beat the world.
Incredible painful to watch this knowing that the coup was doomed to fail from the start. The conspirators gained some momentum at the very start but it only lasted a few hours and quickly turned into a nightmare. Knowing their life's was on the line, all they could do were to proceed hoping for the best.
Well their sacrifice was not in vein. This operation caused hitler to start miss trusting his commanders around him and made him start taking control and start coordinating battles Himself. Which surprise surprise made things so much worse and ultimately cost the Germans the war. His repeated mistakes allowed for the allies to turn the tied of the war.
It probably would have ended the same. Goring would have assumed control and had the conspirators arrested. The one difference is the war would have been shorter.
Well, I don’t know much about the actual event but, assuming the film’s depictions are true, Olbricht really sealed the deal for them. His cowardice is immeasurable.
@@andrewbruskin6923 it’s surprising that how SS-Reichsfuhrer Himmler didn’t have any knowledge of this operation and how he had access to spies within the Gestapo and they didn’t have any information about the duped Valkyrie operation. I guess Stauffenberg had to coordinate it as a regular military operation that was designed to assassinate their Fuhrer. And Himmler, Goering, Bormann, Goebells, Mueller (Head of Gestapo) didn’t intercept the operation
It's coz Stauffenberg was probably a distant ancestor of Ethan Hunt probably and studying his ancestors' tactics as well as failings enabled Hunt to operate so effectively with the IMF over all these years.
The movie paints the conspirators much more sympathetically than what happened in real life. They never would have surrendered without demanding huge territorial concessions that Allies would never agree to. Not much would have changed regardless.
@CaptHawkeye Well plan B would have been to allow the western allies to seize control of germany as the new government shifts the vast majority of resources to the eastern front to hold back the russians. At least that would have been the most logical
Yes. He also played in "Stalingrad" (1993), "The Pianist" (2002) and "Stalingrad" (2013). In every one of those movies he portrayed a WW2 German officer.
To be honest, it probably would have ended the same way with Heinrich Himmler or Hermann Göring crushing the plan the same way Hitler did. That's why they passed on a better chance to take out Hitler on July 14, because Himmler and Göring weren't present for the meeting.
They never intended to make peace with the Soviets, only with the western allies. They actually hoped that with nazis defeated the western powers would cooperate with Germany against their common threat - the USSR. Depending on the conditions the new German government would propose that wasn't impossible, especially in case of UK. Then you have some of the American generals, like Patton, who understood that once the war is over - USSR would be the new enemy.
We need to remember that Churchill and the other western powers were already thinking about post war conflict with the soviets ,and Winston was shocked when thr Americans said unconditional surrender would be their objective If it had worked he could of possibly taken really harsh conditions from the allies but might of been able to convince them of the Soviet threat. At the end of the Day unlikely but not impossible and not enough to say in my opinion that it would not have worked. Though I belive civil war would of been the result.
I always liked at the end of this where it was giving the birth and death dates of everyone involved who was executed and then it cuts to the general and it was something like 6 months later he got executed
It was later said he was taking credit for stopping the insurrection via executions but was told he was in such a darn hurry to get his witnesses buried😂 busted…
Why this move worked so well despite we knowing the outcome is the same good marketers are successful. They work on your emotions rather than solely selling the product.
Kaide Wolf he never believed Hitler was dead. he was an opportunist who would take the side that he thought would win in order to put himself in a better position. he was never on their side but he knew about what they were planning and did nothing. that's why he had them executed in the end to save himself. not that it mattered. Hitler had him executed later anyway
The guy in the first scene, that informs his troops about Hitler being dead; is he the same actor that played FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN! in 'Der Untergang'?
the bomb failed due to the windows in the room they blew out letting the blast wave escape the bomb was meant to go off in a concrete bunker without any windows that's why it failed
"You may hand me over to the executioner, but in three months time, the disgusted and harried people will bring you to book. And drag you alive thru the dirt in the streets" -- Erwin von Witzleben
I don't like Tom Cruise but I have to give it to him Hes damn good in this film. I felt horrible in the end when he was shot and his lieutenant took it in the back for the respect he had for Cruises character
Operation Valkyrie would have worked, if you believe the movie is accurate. The only flaw, in the plan, came from Olbricht's fear. At the moment of truth, he decides to go to lunch instead of starting Operation Valkyrie. This 3-hour delay is what caused the plan to fail. The element of surprise was lost and Hitler's people had time to regroup. Of course, I'm basing this on the movie. I don't know how accurate that Olbricht scene was. I have a question: Did the staff, who made the phone calls for the coup, just blend back into society or were they discovered and killed?
Another cardinal error the conspirators made was they did not gain control over the radio station. In any coup, this has to be a top priority. According to the memoirs of Albert Speer "Inside the Third Reich", even Goebbels admitted this was one of the failings that caused the coup to fail.
The plan couldn't have succeeded, since Hitler WASN'T dead. The plan's idea was to convince the german army and people that the SS assasinated Hitler in a coup, and they're the "counter coup" and thereby quickly consolidate power around themselves and purge the SS and any remaining hitlerites.
If they had successfully killed Hitler it could have possibly backfired on them causing a civil war to erupt likely setting things up to where the Soviets could have advanced more rapidly into Germany reaching all the way to the Rhine River instead of the Ob River.
The irony is that the war wouldn’t have ended much differently. Stalin didn’t want to negotiate by 1944. Hitler could’ve run off to chase elves and trolls for all Stalin cared.
It's believed that the conspirators wanted to sue for peace with the USA and GB only. That way it was very likely that the focus would shift to the USSR. Both Churchill and Roosevelt already realised the Soviets would be the next enemy
The conspirators wanted peace with the WESTERN Allies (US, UK, etc.). Then they would all get together and go FIGHT the Soviets. Or that was THEIR idea, anyway.
In fairness to Fromm having Hitler alive would doom any plot in the end. While you had officers and even soldiers opposed to him on an individual basis circa july 44 Hitler maintained a fanatical devotion from 90% of the populace. There's a reason why the plot itself had to claim someone else tried to kill him. No one in Germany dared to state out loud they did it. People forget just how popular Hitler was in Germany. This overemphasis on the Resistance has come at the detriment of what most people actually thought. Almost all germans were for the war and in occupied countries collaborators were easy to find most of the time. That's the truth not the romanticised resistance.
Hitler's personal popularity was at it's highest by the summer of 1940 after the string of stunning successes in less than a year of war. However by July 1944 that popularity had seriously declined in response to Heavy defeats like Stalingrad and the Allied strategic bombing campaign. One problem for the resistance was the Allies insistance on unconditional surrender which Goebbals used to unite the people behind a Total War effort - they simply felt they had no other choice. There is a fascinaing book by Ian Kershaw called "The End" which looks at the German homefront from July 1944 till May 1945 which I'd highly reccomend. It even details at least one armed resistance movement that took action in Bavaria in the last months of the war...
@@Rendell001 Whatever decline might have been I'm reasonably certain that if you had a poll asking 'do you prefer foreign occupation or Hitler' 85% would have said Hitler. Having some isolated resistance doesn't count. And even excluding Hitler most germans would still have rejected foreign occupation. At the very least they knew what they did in occupied lands and were fully aware of the likely fate that was in store. Hitler alive would doom any plot. Period. I would have done the same thing as Fromm in that particular context.
Soviets were very pissed and wanted their heads on a spike, but the Americans, British, and French might have been more open to it. Though I think the allies had an agreement to not have a separate peace deal without the Soviets. Now offering up Hitlers head might have been step one to get the Soviets to think about it.
True heroes never would have gone along with Hitler from the start. Also, I think Stauffenberg had horrible statements to make about Poles (but I don't quite remember). They probably just wanted a restoration of the monarchy, or the previous order where the "vons" held more sway.
@@jonathanfarley2023 Well said. These guys only tried to kill Hitler when they realized that the latter's decisions were leading to Germany's defeat. They did nothing when Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, the USSR, etc. Had Hitler defeated the Allies, these guys would have stood 100% obedient.
Stauffenberg should have bailed the moment it wasn't in the bunker. As the other guy said during the bomb briefing, being INSIDE the bunker magnifies the killing effect of the bomb. 1 charge instead of a double charge and being moved to the conference hut, is what doomed the plot. I know there was a foreboding sense of time running out and the Gestapo being on to them but had they simply maintained better discipline and courage to go when it had the best possible chance to succeed. They could have suceeded in their one chance to take down Hitler.
Can someone explain? Why was the guy that drove the car after the bomb blew up with Keitel? Why did Friedrich Fromm say this is treason after he read that book? Why would Keitel like a word with him?
The guy driving the car remained at Wolf's Lair as he belonged to the soldiers serving there. Fromm said it was treason because aside from Hitler he was the only man with the authority to initiate Valkyrie. And Keitel would like to have a word with Stauffenberg because he knew that Stauffenberg was responsible for the attempt coz he left in time and pokered himself out. There had been enough witnesses!
Love the synchronized side arm draw
John Domantay that was cool
Watch the ending of stanley kubricks 'the killing'
In the name of the galactic senate of the republic you are under arrest...
@@jok86er o
No General You Are!!!
2:05 how they both pull out their pistols is amazing
Biggest sike
They drew their pistols like Old Republic characters
don't know why but it reminds me of a scene from the matrix
Almost like the script called for it
@@pacotaco840what script? you mean we are watching a movie and not a broadcast of people doing it real time????
"In the name of Sacred Germany, you're under arrest, General."
"Are you threatening me, Colonel Stauffenberg?"
"The Operation will decide your fate."
"Only I can initiate Operation Valkyrie."
"You did."
"It's treason, then."
Well thought lines. Brilliantly made movie.
YEEEAAARRRGH
Then General Beck comes in and says "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!!"
I like how nobody gets the Star Wars reference
@@chrismc410 Or General Beck becomes the great hero of the people JOR-EL.
Me: “I’m going to have a normal hearts of iron Germany playthrough
5 Minutes in when I’ve begun the restoration of the Kaiser:
Polish troop take berlin sept 2,1939 😂
why, it is a normal Germany playthrough
Али Магомедов I mean like a historical play through
3min later bri'ish troops landing at northern coast
I did that with alternate history where I made Germany into a proper Republic
"I saw the blast."
irony, he has only one eye, he can only see half of the truth...
Thats why there is 'Schrödinger Cat' effect taking effect here. Hitler will be half alive and half dead until Tom Cruise eyes see Hitler directly😂
lol this is actually great thinking by you, respect
The operation would have succeeded if on of the following had happened:
If the meeting had taken place in the concrete bunker or if the windows of the conference hut were closed.
If both explosive charges had been used instead of 1.
If the solid oak conference table leg was not between the briefcase and hitler.
He can always look on the bright side with the other!
He can't handle the truth! 😅😆😝
2:04 In the name of the Galactic Senate of the Republic, you are under arrest.
1:34 It's treason, then.
@National Socialist I AM THE SENATE!
Is that Star Wars ?
@@tridungtrinh6751 yep
@National Socialist *_It's treason then._*
Fat guy: This is treason.
Tom Cruise: Only if we lose.
@ glory to the Republi- I mean the Reich!!
What is treason
The fat guy is Friedrich Fromm
Literally the insurrectionists on January 6th
@@johnwick7583 treason is betraying your country
1:33
It's treason, then.
Mark Belew AAAAARGH!
Mark Belew Stauffenberg: "I AM the Third Reich!"
I AM THE SENATE
do it
@@dajinsta NOT YET..
these guys had guts.
Yes Stauffenberg and his friends. I think the Nazis were definitey "losing". Point : Too much on board taking on Soviets, losing since '43 on most fronts but still their V2s were scarier than i initially thought. They still believed they could beat the world.
After their stagnation in front of Moscow 41, It was just matter of time.
The bravery and honor these men had for their country and its people was so immense that death did not even fear them.
That general had guts too. Even when all of his subordinates threatened him at gun point, he still refused to commit treason.
@@Kelly14UK TBF, the attempts to assassinate hitler by some of wehrmacht officers actually had occurred since before the war even started
This just remind me the scene of Star Wars Ep III when windu and 3 Jedis go to arrest palpantine. Lol.
Jose Reyes Burgos
It was 3 other jedis, not 2!
@@workingclasstory4996 Four Jedi in total.
"You have lost"
"Nein...nein.....NEIN NEIN, YOU HAVE LOST"
@Stxr KillerX a
Was about to say that xD
I knew that Operation Valkyrie failed, but I still hoped it could still be successful watching the movie.
Had it succeeded, millions of lives could have been saved.
@@gorillagaming8722 It wouldn't have mattered.. too little, too late.
Me too .. Whenever I watch this clip I hope the coup succeeded.
i'm actually writing a book if it did succeed.
@@maclanekeller8308 no one cares
Incredible painful to watch this knowing that the coup was doomed to fail from the start. The conspirators gained some momentum at the very start but it only lasted a few hours and quickly turned into a nightmare. Knowing their life's was on the line, all they could do were to proceed hoping for the best.
Well their sacrifice was not in vein. This operation caused hitler to start miss trusting his commanders around him and made him start taking control and start coordinating battles Himself. Which surprise surprise made things so much worse and ultimately cost the Germans the war. His repeated mistakes allowed for the allies to turn the tied of the war.
It probably would have ended the same. Goring would have assumed control and had the conspirators arrested. The one difference is the war would have been shorter.
@@trev9168 The war had been lost long before '44, and the start of Hitler micromanaging battles was before that also.
Well, I don’t know much about the actual event but, assuming the film’s depictions are true, Olbricht really sealed the deal for them. His cowardice is immeasurable.
@@andrewbruskin6923 it’s surprising that how SS-Reichsfuhrer Himmler didn’t have any knowledge of this operation and how he had access to spies within the Gestapo and they didn’t have any information about the duped Valkyrie operation. I guess Stauffenberg had to coordinate it as a regular military operation that was designed to assassinate their Fuhrer. And Himmler, Goering, Bormann, Goebells, Mueller (Head of Gestapo) didn’t intercept the operation
2:02 The rest of you are under arrest.
No general, You are!
I still remember I laughed so hard 😂
You need to get out more🙄
It's an outstanding film because, despite knowing the outcome, you buy into "Valkyrie"
Fun Fact, one of the July 20th conspirators, and infantry officer Ewald-Heinrich von Kleist-Schmenzin was still alive when this movie was made.
“I don’t know where you think this is going.”
To an outro screen, of course!
Lol hahaha
Out of all the Mission impossibles Cruise did, this was one where he failed.
LOL!
😂
It's coz Stauffenberg was probably a distant ancestor of Ethan Hunt probably and studying his ancestors' tactics as well as failings enabled Hunt to operate so effectively with the IMF over all these years.
It's almost impossible not to watch this movie and almost till the end expect it's going to work out.
RIP Tom Wilkinson 😢 one of my favourite roles of his was in Valkyrie
Me too may he rest in peace
If only they'd succeeded.
@CaptHawkeye they would have shut down the holocaust and more focus may have gone on towards the crimes against humanity of the Soviet Union
The movie paints the conspirators much more sympathetically than what happened in real life. They never would have surrendered without demanding huge territorial concessions that Allies would never agree to. Not much would have changed regardless.
@CaptHawkeye Well plan B would have been to allow the western allies to seize control of germany as the new government shifts the vast majority of resources to the eastern front to hold back the russians. At least that would have been the most logical
@John Sluder If your parents had been more careful.
@Evidentialist Another lonely childhood.
Tom Cruise had personally chosen Carice van Houten to appear as his wife, after seeing her in another World War II film, Black Book (2006)
For the kissing scene I guess haha
General: I don’t know where you think this is going-- *EARRAPE MUSIC*
Keitel: where is your man Staufemberg?
Fromm: on his way to Berlin I would think.
Keitel: Let me know when he arrives......he forgot his hat.
- You are under arrest.
- No, you.
2:03 listen to me, i am the captain now
RIP Tom Wilkinson
is that Fegelein and that Wehrmacht doctor in Untergang?
yes
He was an SS doctor, but yes
Yes
mike ggg i think he was a Wehrmacht doctor serving the SS, he actually said that when they’re evacuating Berlim.
Yes.
He also played in "Stalingrad" (1993), "The Pianist" (2002) and "Stalingrad" (2013). In every one of those movies he portrayed a WW2 German officer.
Fegel-bomb
Fegel-arse
@@hitlerparodiesind4316 FEGELEIN!
RIP Colonel Stauffenberg.
Greetings from Brazil.
Damn you Fegelein!!!!
bring a singing Fegelein !! LMAO
My Grandmother and I used to see this movie and wonder what would've been of the world if the plan succeeded...
You should read a book called Fatherland - the opposite of your premise. What would have happened if Hitler won?
better ask yourself what the world would have been if germany had won :D
To be honest, it probably would have ended the same way with Heinrich Himmler or Hermann Göring crushing the plan the same way Hitler did. That's why they passed on a better chance to take out Hitler on July 14, because Himmler and Göring weren't present for the meeting.
Let me guess, your grandmother was a "survivor" ?
Just like everyone who was at Auschwitz?
How come everyone survived?
@@domis.5827.....the same....nothing would have happened
too little too late......even if Valkerie worked the Russians were waaay to pisser to talk peace.....the dam was broken
They never intended to make peace with the Soviets, only with the western allies. They actually hoped that with nazis defeated the western powers would cooperate with Germany against their common threat - the USSR. Depending on the conditions the new German government would propose that wasn't impossible, especially in case of UK. Then you have some of the American generals, like Patton, who understood that once the war is over - USSR would be the new enemy.
The world defeated the wrong enemy.
The war at the Western front could have ended and many lives would have been spared.
We need to remember that Churchill and the other western powers were already thinking about post war conflict with the soviets ,and Winston was shocked when thr Americans said unconditional surrender would be their objective
If it had worked he could of possibly taken really harsh conditions from the allies but might of been able to convince them of the Soviet threat.
At the end of the Day unlikely but not impossible and not enough to say in my opinion that it would not have worked. Though I belive civil war would of been the result.
*Soviets
1:16 Brock leaner
hahah Savage..XD i had a busy day at work and then i saw this comment and blasted in laughs... XD
Brock Lesnar?
@@osamabinladen824 The Undertaker
Teenage erling haaland
HERBERT GRÖNEMEYER :D
The rest of you are all under arrest!
Stauffenburg: NO YOU!!
this is the real mission impossible
I always liked at the end of this where it was giving the birth and death dates of everyone involved who was executed and then it cuts to the general and it was something like 6 months later he got executed
It was later said he was taking credit for stopping the insurrection via executions but was told he was in such a darn hurry to get his witnesses buried😂 busted…
2:05: “no u”
My heart was beating so fast true the whole movie
Tom Cruise actually had his arm disfigured and let someone stab him in the eye in preparation for this role.
So General Cornwallis went on to become General Fromm? Interesting career arc.
Treason never prospers...Because if it succeeds, none dare call it treason.
Thomas Kretschman play as Major Remer in Der Untergang his Fegelein.
I like the line he said :you did . Ahahahahaha
Why this move worked so well despite we knowing the outcome is the same good marketers are successful.
They work on your emotions rather than solely selling the product.
"Only I can order a code red"
.............. *"You're goddamn right you did"*
I'll be honest the real badass here is the general. Stood up to several guns pointed at him
Fromm character was like a coward - would like to do it and not for his head but in this scene he was very straight about whats what...
Kaide Wolf he never believed Hitler was dead. he was an opportunist who would take the side that he thought would win in order to put himself in a better position. he was never on their side but he knew about what they were planning and did nothing. that's why he had them executed in the end to save himself. not that it mattered. Hitler had him executed later anyway
Fromm was a Bastard.
@@alkaan182 a nut case?
Can we have a alternative movie with happy ending 😂😂😂 with same actors and so on...
Not all of them, because tom willikson (general fromm) passed away 2 months ago😢
The guy in the first scene, that informs his troops about Hitler being dead; is he the same actor that played FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN! in 'Der Untergang'?
the bomb failed due to the windows in the room they blew out letting the blast wave escape the bomb was meant to go off in a concrete bunker without any windows that's why it failed
that man in that uniform bring strong tears to mein eyes,
*I love these type of coups*
1:27 I didnt think for a second that Brock Lesnar would be a German officer. He would have suplexed Stauffenberg. 🤣
Then Rey Mysterio would have jumped in and done the six one nine. "And connects!" :D
Amazing acting.
He almost completed his goal.
Staufenberg! Damn him! Damn that man!
Nice reference!
“Sound the retreat...”
it's awkward cause he lived
he died shortly after over 7,000 people were killed by hitler after the failed atempt
Wait, who?
Phenomenal movie in my opinion.
Rip tom 😢
"You may hand me over to the executioner, but in three months time, the disgusted and harried people will bring you to book. And drag you alive thru the dirt in the streets" -- Erwin von Witzleben
That guy 1:16 looks like Erling Halland
0:34 satya nadella spotted
I don't like Tom Cruise but I have to give it to him Hes damn good in this film. I felt horrible in the end when he was shot and his lieutenant took it in the back for the respect he had for Cruises character
Operation Valkyrie would have worked, if you believe the movie is accurate. The only flaw, in the plan, came from Olbricht's fear. At the moment of truth, he decides to go to lunch instead of starting Operation Valkyrie. This 3-hour delay is what caused the plan to fail. The element of surprise was lost and Hitler's people had time to regroup. Of course, I'm basing this on the movie. I don't know how accurate that Olbricht scene was. I have a question: Did the staff, who made the phone calls for the coup, just blend back into society or were they discovered and killed?
Another cardinal error the conspirators made was they did not gain control over the radio station. In any coup, this has to be a top priority. According to the memoirs of Albert Speer "Inside the Third Reich", even Goebbels admitted this was one of the failings that caused the coup to fail.
The plan couldn't have succeeded, since Hitler WASN'T dead. The plan's idea was to convince the german army and people that the SS assasinated Hitler in a coup, and they're the "counter coup" and thereby quickly consolidate power around themselves and purge the SS and any remaining hitlerites.
That was accurate and his delay did cause operation Valkyrie to fail.
As a German officer, I don't think you would joke bout assassinating the Fuhrer.
@@jake.s7065 he's talking in Third-Person, reflecting the scene
1:40 that bald man actor was also in Der Untergang
How many of the actors from Der Untergang are in this? I didn’t catch that the first time I saw this.
Stauffenberg should not have left the building, just stayed in another room where the blast will not kill him. In that way they would not suspect him.
The IMF director found this mission too impossible.
Imagine if operation valkyrie was a success
If they had successfully killed Hitler it could have possibly backfired on them causing a civil war to erupt likely setting things up to where the Soviets could have advanced more rapidly into Germany reaching all the way to the Rhine River instead of the Ob River.
just noticed its pompei magnus lol
Ah yes that time Tom Cruise played as Big Boss
i didn't know General cornwalis reincarnated as a german officer in the war 😂
Good gracious, if only this plot had succeeded.
I don’t know where you think this is going
ROOEKVKAKGKSKFKKAKGKSKGKAKBKKSKGKSKF
*ear drums burst*
If it wasn't a hot day and the meeting stayed inside the bunker history would be a lot different today.
Cool movie.. thanks👍
1:15 Haaland haha
Why is the sound in this movie so low?
Rip tom wilkenson
The irony is that the war wouldn’t have ended much differently. Stalin didn’t want to negotiate by 1944. Hitler could’ve run off to chase elves and trolls for all Stalin cared.
It's believed that the conspirators wanted to sue for peace with the USA and GB only. That way it was very likely that the focus would shift to the USSR. Both Churchill and Roosevelt already realised the Soviets would be the next enemy
The conspirators wanted peace with the WESTERN Allies (US, UK, etc.). Then they would all get together and go FIGHT the Soviets. Or that was THEIR idea, anyway.
They could reason with Eisenhower, but not with Zhukov
I remember this movie.
Plot twist : He had actually killed Hitler and this was his double!
"I don't know where you think this is goWWWWWWIIIIEEEWAAHHHH."
Great movie!
That was their first mistake. As soon as he said he wasn't with them, pop in the head
1:10. They should have made that actor play as Otto Ernst Remer instead of Thomas Kretschmann. He looks virtually identical to the real guy.
wow the tables
turn a lot in this movie
Oh Fegelein
In fairness to Fromm having Hitler alive would doom any plot in the end. While you had officers and even soldiers opposed to him on an individual basis circa july 44 Hitler maintained a fanatical devotion from 90% of the populace. There's a reason why the plot itself had to claim someone else tried to kill him. No one in Germany dared to state out loud they did it. People forget just how popular Hitler was in Germany. This overemphasis on the Resistance has come at the detriment of what most people actually thought. Almost all germans were for the war and in occupied countries collaborators were easy to find most of the time. That's the truth not the romanticised resistance.
Hitler's personal popularity was at it's highest by the summer of 1940 after the string of stunning successes in less than a year of war. However by July 1944 that popularity had seriously declined in response to Heavy defeats like Stalingrad and the Allied strategic bombing campaign. One problem for the resistance was the Allies insistance on unconditional surrender which Goebbals used to unite the people behind a Total War effort - they simply felt they had no other choice.
There is a fascinaing book by Ian Kershaw called "The End" which looks at the German homefront from July 1944 till May 1945 which I'd highly reccomend. It even details at least one armed resistance movement that took action in Bavaria in the last months of the war...
@@Rendell001 Whatever decline might have been I'm reasonably certain that if you had a poll asking 'do you prefer foreign occupation or Hitler' 85% would have said Hitler. Having some isolated resistance doesn't count. And even excluding Hitler most germans would still have rejected foreign occupation. At the very least they knew what they did in occupied lands and were fully aware of the likely fate that was in store. Hitler alive would doom any plot. Period. I would have done the same thing as Fromm in that particular context.
1:16 he looks like todd from breaking bad 😅
0:14 wonder how Germans reacted to when hitler killed himself in 1945?
I think that most people didn’t care anymore, same with Nuremberg
They probably knew he was in South America
If that British soldier would’ve just done his job in World War One..
He save the madman🤣🤣
There was no evidence that it was Henry, hell, he didn't even fight there
Interesting
Such a great movie! 😁
I doubt the allies would've gone for a peace talk at this point
I believe they would
Soviets were very pissed and wanted their heads on a spike, but the Americans, British, and French might have been more open to it. Though I think the allies had an agreement to not have a separate peace deal without the Soviets. Now offering up Hitlers head might have been step one to get the Soviets to think about it.
@@usul573 As long as France and most of Europe was still under occupation as it was when it happened they would have never taken a peace deal
@@rupertsmith5815A peace deal obviously involve Germany returning all of those occupied countries.
That also gives them bargaining power.
These people were the true heroes of world War who sacrificed their lives silently
True heroes never would have gone along with Hitler from the start. Also, I think Stauffenberg had horrible statements to make about Poles (but I don't quite remember). They probably just wanted a restoration of the monarchy, or the previous order where the "vons" held more sway.
To little to late, even if they succeeded, it would not have changed much
@@jonathanfarley2023 Well said. These guys only tried to kill Hitler when they realized that the latter's decisions were leading to Germany's defeat. They did nothing when Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, the USSR, etc. Had Hitler defeated the Allies, these guys would have stood 100% obedient.
Stauffenberg should have bailed the moment it wasn't in the bunker. As the other guy said during the bomb briefing, being INSIDE the bunker magnifies the killing effect of the bomb. 1 charge instead of a double charge and being moved to the conference hut, is what doomed the plot. I know there was a foreboding sense of time running out and the Gestapo being on to them but had they simply maintained better discipline and courage to go when it had the best possible chance to succeed. They could have suceeded in their one chance to take down Hitler.
General: The rest of you are under arrest
TC: *no u*
dude, you saw the blast but not saw the body
Can someone explain? Why was the guy that drove the car after the bomb blew up with Keitel? Why did Friedrich Fromm say this is treason after he read that book? Why would Keitel like a word with him?
The guy driving the car remained at Wolf's Lair as he belonged to the soldiers serving there. Fromm said it was treason because aside from Hitler he was the only man with the authority to initiate Valkyrie. And Keitel would like to have a word with Stauffenberg because he knew that Stauffenberg was responsible for the attempt coz he left in time and pokered himself out. There had been enough witnesses!