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I bought one of these as a hobbyist woodworker and it works great. it is slower but I don't do production-type work and make stuff for my home. For that application, it works fine and I am very happy with my purchase.
@@dandydude9646 because in a production environment that thing is slow and dangerous. One mangled finger and I'm out a production worker for weeks. Not worth it.
@@dandydude9646 some are easier than others, next to impossible with the domino. It’s easier and safer to make a router jig than use that thing. I resisted buying the XL on principle for years … the truth is it’s just a fantastic tool. Patents expire on in the next year or so, so there will be copies from all the big companies very soon.
But if you only need it to get to and from your office a couple miles away, it doesn’t really matter. They both accomplish the same thing. One does it more quickly and debatably more safely. But they both fulfill the same need. All you would need to make the thing safe is a piece of plexiglass as a top plate to make it so you have to really want to cut your hand to get your finger in a position to be hit by the bit.
If you’re worried about the exposed section of the router bit, you can easily attach a narrow strip of acrylic glass over the opening using the two existing screws on the aluminum top plate. But because that might limit the router’s plunge depth, alternatively, you can bend the acrylic guard into an L-shape, making sure one part of the guard clears the body of the router. It’s a simple fix.
If you’re worried about the exposed bit, I’d get a piece of flexible vent hose and clamp it around the router. It would just collapse as you advance the bit, but it would probably collect shavings.
I have a domino. It’s great. That said, if that jig just had a vertical guard between the hand and the bit it looks pretty good as long as it has tight tolerances.
I always try to imagin, what it would be like, if RUclips already existed, when Lamello invented the Biscuit Jointer. I think it would be similar hated as the domino. That thing was as expensive back in the days as the domino is today. I believe that every major tool producer already has the plans for a knock-off version of this machine ready to go, as soon as the patent for that thing expires. And that should not take so long now.
As I understand it, they’re for different purposes. Biscuit is for alignment, and domino is for alignment and added strength. I think some people expected the biscuit to add strength like traditional joinery, but that’s not what it’s good at. Domino seems to really shine in adding strength to narrow joints, mitered joints, and end grain glue ups. Basically anywhere the glue joint could use some extra oomph and alignment. It’s all about knowing the tool’s capabilities and limits. I don’t own either, but definitely see their value in the right circumstances. Will probably never buy a domino because I can’t justify the price for my work, but am interested to see what knock offs come out soon when the patent expires.
How exactly is the router bit that’s attached to the router going to cut your hand if you are holding the knob? Do you not have your fingers touching boards that are within inches of a table saw blade…. A non issue in my eyes
I'd say use a bit of common sense, but I get it. With a simple plexiglass guard on top that covers the gap it's fine and a router can actually do this kind of work anyway with fences etc, this jig is just easier. Besides, ever accidentally touched the bottom of a domino? (I haven't because I can imagine it hurts like hell)
That works for an edge join, but what about when two boards meet perpendicular like a T? The Festool domino flips the guide up to stand upright. This looks fixed?
That's not the same thing. But you can do a lot with biscuit joiners. I would never buy this or a Festool, but a Lamello (or cheaper versions from other brands) is on the list.
@@randal3122 Biscuits are more for glue up alignment purposes and only offer some level structural support. Domino type connections are more akin to a tenon because they thicker and the grain is aligned perpendicular to the joint.
I paused at roughly :03 for you and read the brand name on the device for you. It says "Tianli." I'm going to Google that now, but that was as much work as I was going to put in for you. Feel free to Google it too.
The domino was my gateway drug. Festool tools are more precise, easier to use, easier to align. More user friendly. Change a router bit in a Festool router with a ratcheting collet. Change a blade in a Festool track saw. Switch between 1/2” stock to 3/4 with a domino. Install a fixed shelf with a domino. Use those vac that turns on with the tool. Dust collection when it’s -20 degrees and you need to use a router inside someone’s house. Every tool and accessory fits in its case. I like that. If I have to buy 1000 dollars worth of dewalt or 1500 for the equivalent Festool I’m buying the Festool because I’ll have to spend another 500 in pack out or tough system boxes just for the tools to bang around in.
I would not waste my time making a tool that I could simply buy and deduct 100% of the cost on my taxes. Try deducting your own labor and let me know how that goes for you.
I almost bought one but my kids surprised me with a Festool. They said they were tired of hearing me talk about buying one and let’s face it. Most of the stuff I build ends up with them anyway.
It looks like you can't do 45° mortises and there's no dust collection. There's also no indexing feature. I think you'd be better off just using dowels and one of those aluminum jigs. I have a DF500 and it's slick as snot.
@@hock8379i can afford to buy one every week, but I'm not ignorant enough to buy one when you can make your own jigs of any size for $10 the money i saved from building my own woodworking jigs has paid for 2 vacations already this year alone. Tell us more about how rich you think you are though 😏
I’m not setting that up. Then switching every knob for a difference in thickness of board. I’m no measuring depth of cut every time I switch dominos. I can also do vertical for shelf alignment. So I can use a domino for a fixed shelf in a middle of a board.
@@Beyondthebark1 that's right,I didnt waste $1200. Furniture and woodworking projects have been made with dowels for a thousand years. I'm not doin production work,I've got 2 minutes to set up a dowel jig.
Sure it prob works ok….But sorry that exposed blade is sketch as all get out. And it looks kinda flimsy. Those guide rails and adjustment knobs just seem like they won’t stand up to repeated use. But for me just the hand and blade thing is enough to say “hard pass.”
That was true at one point in time (and for this particular tool still is) but Festool is losing it, other brands are gaining. Festool isn't worth the premium price anymore (except this Domino).
Another crap you are advertising. How would you do on a 45 angle and with the slow cutting it would take a day if I start using it for 100 cuts and everything is manual in this, so you have make few sample cuts to get a specific domino depth
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Does anyone else sell it yet?
I refuse to support eBay since they lied to me about their delivery/satisfaction guarantee. They cost me $150. Never again. Once bitten, twice shy.
What was the lie? EBay is usually amazing with PayPal guaranteeing most everything on buyers side
is it possible to lock the side to side rocking?
What’s it called?
@@fiveeightdrumstudio3499well PayPal is garbage with questionable terms.
I bought one of these as a hobbyist woodworker and it works great. it is slower but I don't do production-type work and make stuff for my home. For that application, it works fine and I am very happy with my purchase.
Why not use some clamps so you don’t have your hand where it’s close?
Shhhhhh
Speed of use.
It's like saying a bicycle is a Race car killer
How so? Because it isn't green and black, says Festool and doesn't cost an arm, leg, kidney, and soul?
@@dandydude9646 because in a production environment that thing is slow and dangerous. One mangled finger and I'm out a production worker for weeks. Not worth it.
@@hassleoffa a misplaced finger with any power tool can lead to a worker out.
@@dandydude9646 some are easier than others, next to impossible with the domino. It’s easier and safer to make a router jig than use that thing. I resisted buying the XL on principle for years … the truth is it’s just a fantastic tool. Patents expire on in the next year or so, so there will be copies from all the big companies very soon.
But if you only need it to get to and from your office a couple miles away, it doesn’t really matter. They both accomplish the same thing. One does it more quickly and debatably more safely. But they both fulfill the same need. All you would need to make the thing safe is a piece of plexiglass as a top plate to make it so you have to really want to cut your hand to get your finger in a position to be hit by the bit.
I don't think it's worth $240 (including shipping)
Clearly you haven't seen the price tag on the Festool domino...
@@psyclist1985clearly you don’t know how great a festool domino is 😛
Is like comparing paddling a bike 🚲 vs pressing the gas pedal of a car 🚗 (kind of) comparison.
I bought this a while ago when all these videos started coming out. I think it was under $75. They have definitely went up in price by a lot
You can always spend $900 or whatever on a DF500.
$250??? I’m good.
If you’re worried about the exposed section of the router bit, you can easily attach a narrow strip of acrylic glass over the opening using the two existing screws on the aluminum top plate. But because that might limit the router’s plunge depth, alternatively, you can bend the acrylic guard into an L-shape, making sure one part of the guard clears the body of the router. It’s a simple fix.
id replace the knob with something beafier
If you’re worried about the exposed bit, I’d get a piece of flexible vent hose and clamp it around the router. It would just collapse as you advance the bit, but it would probably collect shavings.
@731Woodworks Coming through with another low cost alternative to high cost tools. Keep it coming man!!!!
I have a domino. It’s great. That said, if that jig just had a vertical guard between the hand and the bit it looks pretty good as long as it has tight tolerances.
You could add some plexiglass extremely easily.
$195 seems a little steep given all the jig plans out to make your own. Limited router support is also problem.
Could easily install a clear plastic piece over the bit area to give a little protection for your fingers and debris getting in your eyes.
I always try to imagin, what it would be like, if RUclips already existed, when Lamello invented the Biscuit Jointer. I think it would be similar hated as the domino. That thing was as expensive back in the days as the domino is today.
I believe that every major tool producer already has the plans for a knock-off version of this machine ready to go, as soon as the patent for that thing expires. And that should not take so long now.
As I recall, it was (and still is). Didn't have RUclips, but there were letters to the editor in magazines.
Nah, Master craftsman Norm Abram would've been the spokesman it. He loved the biscuit jointer.
Still is.
As I understand it, they’re for different purposes. Biscuit is for alignment, and domino is for alignment and added strength. I think some people expected the biscuit to add strength like traditional joinery, but that’s not what it’s good at. Domino seems to really shine in adding strength to narrow joints, mitered joints, and end grain glue ups. Basically anywhere the glue joint could use some extra oomph and alignment. It’s all about knowing the tool’s capabilities and limits. I don’t own either, but definitely see their value in the right circumstances. Will probably never buy a domino because I can’t justify the price for my work, but am interested to see what knock offs come out soon when the patent expires.
I been lookin for something like this! Didn’t wanna pay Festool price so thanks for showing this thing gonna check it out
That thing is a lawsuit just waiting to happen. It reminds me of the angle grinder chainsaw disc.
Those discs have just been made illegal in the UK. Still sold everywhere though
I was kind of surprised to see Harbor Freight selling those things
How exactly is the router bit that’s attached to the router going to cut your hand if you are holding the knob? Do you not have your fingers touching boards that are within inches of a table saw blade…. A non issue in my eyes
I'd say use a bit of common sense, but I get it. With a simple plexiglass guard on top that covers the gap it's fine and a router can actually do this kind of work anyway with fences etc, this jig is just easier. Besides, ever accidentally touched the bottom of a domino? (I haven't because I can imagine it hurts like hell)
@@gtpro700 The router bit could snap off with your hand, wrist and arteries right next to it.
More affordable and good results. 👍
But will it allow you to make holes on the end grain for mitered joints?
That works for an edge join, but what about when two boards meet perpendicular like a T? The Festool domino flips the guide up to stand upright. This looks fixed?
Good point!
harbor freight sells a biscuit joiner for like 50 bucks. is that not the same thing?
That's not the same thing. But you can do a lot with biscuit joiners. I would never buy this or a Festool, but a Lamello (or cheaper versions from other brands) is on the list.
@jeroen2082 what is the difference between these and a biscuit joiner? honestly curious
@@randal3122 Biscuit jointer only offer alignment no straight
@@randal3122 Biscuits are more for glue up alignment purposes and only offer some level structural support. Domino type connections are more akin to a tenon because they thicker and the grain is aligned perpendicular to the joint.
Think I’ll stick with my trusty dowel jig. Maybe someday I’ll splurge for a Jessem.
I heard on Wood Whisperer, Marc Spag Jessum was discontinuing their mortise machine.
How does that thingy tackle angles?
Ever test the Woddhaven horizontal router table? Seems like they would do these types of cut fine and then some. Just need the space to store it.
Is this Perkins 2.0 anon?
Hi Matt , I like your videos . What can I do if I need to buy these tools if I'm in Africa Botswana to be specific
Might want to attach a guard out of Plexiglas and even make something to hook up a vacuum to prevent brown boogers
Boogers? Bugs?
Brown boogers are fun to dig out.
Would u buy this instead of a Dowelmax?
Also dust...
What is it? I can't see the price.. can someone send me a link to this thing and what it is called? Thanks!
I paused at roughly :03 for you and read the brand name on the device for you. It says "Tianli." I'm going to Google that now, but that was as much work as I was going to put in for you. Feel free to Google it too.
The domino was my gateway drug. Festool tools are more precise, easier to use, easier to align. More user friendly. Change a router bit in a Festool router with a ratcheting collet. Change a blade in a Festool track saw. Switch between 1/2” stock to 3/4 with a domino. Install a fixed shelf with a domino. Use those vac that turns on with the tool. Dust collection when it’s -20 degrees and you need to use a router inside someone’s house. Every tool and accessory fits in its case. I like that. If I have to buy 1000 dollars worth of dewalt or 1500 for the equivalent Festool I’m buying the Festool because I’ll have to spend another 500 in pack out or tough system boxes just for the tools to bang around in.
I've come to expect that Festool makes the second best tool in every category. But the best tool is a different brand for each category.
Where can I purchase
Hi, where would I look to obtain 1 of these, cheers.
eBay is where I got this one.
How did you find this I would like to order one
Where can I buy this tool?
“For the most part”. Right. Nuf said.
I still haven't heard of it! I'm still not buying it but what's the name?
And what is "this thing" called?
Now if a company could sell 6mm spiral carbide bits with a 1/4" shank it would be worth using all the time with festool 6mm Domino's
So I guess you just ignore the vacuum aspect of the Festool domino. 🤔
What is it?
What’s the manufacturer name ?
Meh, for that price you might as well just get a Dewalt joiner. 🤷♀️
Yet another crappy 'Festool Domino killer'.
It's time the other brands come with a real copy of the Festool domino.
”Same thing”…😁
Can you do a full length on this?
link in my pinned comment there's a video with more detail
@@731Woodworks saw it. But we need an in depth. I’m wondering about the fence flex since it only locks one side.
there ARE JIGS YOU CAN MAKE OUT OF HARD WOOD THAT accomplish the same thing for a few dollars and your time . I would not pay for something I can make
I would not waste my time making a tool that I could simply buy and deduct 100% of the cost on my taxes. Try deducting your own labor and let me know how that goes for you.
I almost bought one but my kids surprised me with a Festool. They said they were tired of hearing me talk about buying one and let’s face it. Most of the stuff I build ends up with them anyway.
"God this Civic is so slow! If only I had a Ferrari to get to work faster!"
That’s some generous kids right there. $1200 gift- my siblings and I just get my dad a $75 gift card every year.
@@lachutequimarche8074you can’t hide money😂
@@lachutequimarche8074plot twist dad’s got 20 years worth of cards saved up ready to get a domino lol
I cut up my hand with that exact same router, LOL
We have in the market tools that do that as well.. not just festool... going Chinese...Wen or vevor
Amazing, a Domino is not worth the money for me as a hobbyist and a DIYer but this is totally worth the money
It looks like you can't do 45° mortises and there's no dust collection. There's also no indexing feature.
I think you'd be better off just using dowels and one of those aluminum jigs.
I have a DF500 and it's slick as snot.
Seeing that bare bit spinning like crazy is scary asf
Wait till you see a router table!
I have a Dewalt biscuit joiner I bought 25 years ago or so. Still looks brand-new and works great. Dont need either of these tools.
Not quite the same but you do you.
I'm just in favor of anything that'll take down the Festool Domino in any way lol
💯
😂
Sounds like you can’t afford a Domino
@@hock8379 true
@@hock8379i can afford to buy one every week, but I'm not ignorant enough to buy one when you can make your own jigs of any size for $10 the money i saved from building my own woodworking jigs has paid for 2 vacations already this year alone. Tell us more about how rich you think you are though 😏
Biscuit joiner.
I think I’ll invest in a doweling jig instead
Beautiful. What is the cost?
$195 +45 shipping
Far more cheaper than festool and as reliable as festool
Liar
But you still have to buy dominos 😂😂
Thank you Captain Obvious
@@daveklein2826
No prob captain douche
So maybe I’ll just keep my second M18 Milwaukee router, instead of selling it.
Slot mortisers work, they are just way slower than the dominos
It's a neat gadget but ain't no way it's worth that price to me. $195?! No shot...
I’m not setting that up. Then switching every knob for a difference in thickness of board. I’m no measuring depth of cut every time I switch dominos. I can also do vertical for shelf alignment. So I can use a domino for a fixed shelf in a middle of a board.
My $50 biscuit jointer or $12 dowel jig does ok.
Same
But it’s not no domino though 😅
@@Beyondthebark1 that's right,I didnt waste $1200. Furniture and woodworking projects have been made with dowels for a thousand years. I'm not doin production work,I've got 2 minutes to set up a dowel jig.
Pantorouter's baby bro
I’m not selling either of my Domino machines for that, or any other router spindle sled. Domino with a TSO Bigfoot always feels sturdy and safe.
Me neither I love my domino machines
Sure it prob works ok….But sorry that exposed blade is sketch as all get out. And it looks kinda flimsy. Those guide rails and adjustment knobs just seem like they won’t stand up to repeated use. But for me just the hand and blade thing is enough to say “hard pass.”
For that price?! Rather go for a used pro machine
45 degree it cant work on 45 degree
Duo dowel
It's tianli jig
At the end of the day how much money is your hand worth? Just buy the freaking tool it's not that expensive
if your going to advertise for a tool, you should at least mention what it is
If I’m going to through all of that, I’m buying a domino.
Crazy scary
turn down the ding dude.
As a pro, Festool all the way. When you use power tools all day long, you appreciate the difference between Festool and the rest
That was true at one point in time (and for this particular tool still is) but Festool is losing it, other brands are gaining. Festool isn't worth the premium price anymore (except this Domino).
doesnt chicago electric make one for like 80 bucks? lol
its called the biscut plate joiner
Just keep in mind biscuits are for alignment, not strength
Another crap you are advertising. How would you do on a 45 angle and with the slow cutting it would take a day if I start using it for 100 cuts and everything is manual in this, so you have make few sample cuts to get a specific domino depth
About time…
Seems horrible
The festool is a lot of money but its 10 times faster than that and it comes with 5 different size cutters