Normally I never, ever have problems with "stalling bosses" like Kenki, Ruin Serpent and the likes. But that Wenut, my god it actually drove me *tearing my hair out* insane.
Imo kenki was the easiest part of this abyss 😭😭 With kenki if you have Hu tao or yoimiya (basically single target dps) you should definitely be fine, but its the goddamn wenut thats torture
the worst part about this is that tighnari is unironically decent in this abyss cycle, it would have been far easier if only you had used anyone but Sara and zhongli
@@abbystafford7549 he didn’t even buff his tighnari with her E half of the time cause he just used E and then Sara ult which was long enough for her buff to work on herself instead of tighnari so basically Sara did there nearly 0 help
@@senioralexander0 he usually bursted with Sara and then swapped to Tighnari - which *also* provides a buff. I am also not saying using her was optimum, just not "such a bad call".
And after you stun it, the window of opportunity to do a decent amount of damage is too small, especially compared to other bosses with a downtime mechanic
I would suggest running Nahida instead of Zhongli and Yae instead of Sara, Tighnari is super OP when it comes to single target, idk why ppl say he doesn't have enough DPS to clear
Tighnari hyper makes great use of Zhongli and Sara, Sara is an elegy holder along with applying electro and giving an atk buff, Zhongli shreds Dendro and allows for interruption resistance, he can also use Deepwood if Nahida is holding Gilded dreams. I use Tigh, Nahida, Sara, and Zhongli for Tigh hyper and 36 star abyss.
@@Dnarte_ Yeah, but comparing with the EM buff that Nahida gives him... She pretty much makes him a beast bcs he turns all of Nahida's EM into DMG Bonus. That's at C0R0, and at C2 Nahida, the Def shred is really nice.
@@tusharsrivastava370 I have Yae built and her signature, I just prefer using Sara for buffing because she can also hold Instructors and Elegy comfortably. There arent many catalyst buffs besides TTDS but Sara's atk buff gives more atk.
I have no idea why Temp said that Tighnari "doesn't have a high enough DPS" at 9:10. By all metrics he's an extremely strong single target DPS whose teams are comparable to the top tier single target comps like Hu Tao and Rational. The only downside to him is that he has no AoE coverage at all, but he can alleviate that somewhat by running teammates like Yae. I think a lot of people think that since he's a standard banner character that he's bad, but in reality he (and also Keqing to an extent) are very much very meta characters. The only issue was the choice of team, Sara is not a good choice due to how he scales off of EM more than ATK and provides limited value since her C6 is worthless for him, plus her cooldowns don't match at all. A better choice is to use Fischl and Yae, and then choose someone like Zhongli or Yaoyao for the last slot as defensive utility. Alternatively you choose one of Fischl or Yae and then slot in Nahida instead.
This is what we call "feelscrafting". Because he doesn't like Tighnari he's made-up a reason to put him down and pretend that that's an actual theory crafting take.
Tighnari at C0 R1 is really great as a quick swap character. And at c6 he’s so far the fastest in terms of speedeunning/DPS when compared with Nahida and Al Haitham. He’s solid
temp is kind of known to praising just a bunch of characters, and absolutely hating on everyone else. i had a huge respect for him for still maining childe in 2023 but we do not condemn tighnari slander in this house lol
I've done it with Zhongli without problems. My HuTao team cleared them 3* but sucked the rest while my Yoimiya team shredded the rest and was 3-4sec short on The Chasm dudes.
@@Why_Cant_I_Use_My_ProfName Hu Tao enjoyer here as well, no problems clearing 12-2-2 and 12-3-2 with Double Hydro Hu Tao, had to bring Tighnari for 12-1-2 though.
@@Why_Cant_I_Use_My_ProfName I did a variation of Rational as my second team (or would it be a variation of Hypercarry Raiden?) by using Raiden, Sara, Bennett, Xiangling and it did quite well surprisingly.
cause he's a whale.. every one of his abyss videos has these comments abt everything he could've easily done better💀no disrespect i like watching his vids
Temp could not be more wrong by saying that Tighnari is not a character for abyss. On the Wenut, Tighnari's skill cooldown matches perfectly with the time the boss stays underground. Also Tighnari is almost on par with Alhaitham
Yeah, I'm not sure where they got that idea. Tighnari's single target DPS is very strong and his teams are on par with or close to the top single target teams in the game like Hu Tao Double Hydro or Alhaitham's Spread/Quickbloom teams. The only downside is the lack of AoE but for single target bossing he is one of the best.
People get so caught up on the standard 5 star label. I have Alhaitham and Nahida, but there are some times when I choose Tighnari in the abyss instead or split them up among the different sides, just because I feel like playing him and know he is very capable,
Try to use Yae instead to Sara honestly Yae is like the best Tighnari's Teammate Tighnari dont need atk,he focus more on reaction if you add Yae they can everything
i was looking for this comment, thanx. Yae also triggers Fischl A4 Passive more than Sara which increases team dps by a lot + quickswap rotations r awesome
The reason the lawachurls are such menaces is because they proc melt a lot when you're in Bennett's burst (I restarted countless times because of this only to still not be fast enough for the wenut).
Yep thats what 1 of bennet downside but yeah whatever just restart thingy. The best enemies for lavachurl definetely xiangling, cause itselt their shield so fast while also proccing melt. And once their shield is gone their less menace cause they get interupt ezly if they still alive.
For future Moga, Yae is great teammate for Tignari since she needs a bit of time to set her turrets and he have short on field time! :D Love Tignari to bits :3
@@lden15l87 sarah can aply electro in aoe, do some dmg on the side, use elegy and give atk buff. overall decent pair for tignari but not in prolonged fights
Yesss. I love using Yae and Tighnari together. You can beat just about any boss with those two. He takes up the time after you place down Yae's turrets, and he can switch out so you can refresh them at any time. There aren't many bosses those two can't beat together. They're also my go-to for bosses like the wenut, ruin serpent, wolf lord, and maguu because they can both still deal damage from a far. It saves time running after wherever the boss is going to appear next.
Tighnari is the character I’ve invested the most resources into and he did great in this abyss (I managed to get 36 stars yay!) I’d definitely recommend him for second half (especially since he can get CAs off really quickly - super helpful for the wenut’s freakishly small dps windows!)😭 I used Tigh, Yae, Nahida, and Kuki. Though you really just need someone who can apply electro off field while you span Tighnari’s attacks since you don’t have to worry about taking damage from the wenut much
I actually tried using Tighnari this abyss and he shredded the second half of the first two chambers but I just could not get him to do chamber three. I think it’s because you can’t swirl Dendro so you never get the resistance drop and so he need more investment to do it. In the end I ended up using Raiden, Yelan, Kazuha, and Fischl. It was a tad unconventional and very hard to get through the first two chambers without dying but it was the only team of out like a Million I tried that actually worked.
@@seraphywang4638 I personally didn’t try since I don’t have good pieces for the characters on my team. It might honestly, and if I swapped out Zhongli for like Yaoyao or something for the Dendro resonance + deepwood but I wouldn’t be surprised if it still wasn’t enough since I wasn’t too too close to finishing up the boss. Still worth a shot and I might honestly try it.
@@swirlinginferno8353 I dont have many good deepwood pieces but the fantastic thing about them is that unless the character heavily relies on states, any four piece would be good enough since the bonus isnt affected by personal stats. It might be better with a c1 Yaoyao since she can have 15% dendro dmg bonus. I dont have Tighnari so I cant even test this if I wanted to
I disagree, I think triple Kenki is slightly better if you know how to manipulate the AI and keep them together and you have enough DPS you can burst them down faster than the single one because the single one has that phase-changing invincibility frame section And I think that Wenut is slightly less annoying than the ruined serpent cuz the ruins serpent in the abyss doesn't have a means of stunning it(outside spamming a bow user's normal attacks and hoping the auto-aim hits one of those openings that are glowing during the spinning phase) the Wenut if you hit two of those animal balls in the delayed swirl face it'll stun it and it'll game resistances to the elements you swirled
I failed a few times on floor 12-1 chamber 2 because I had a hydro unit and characters that couldn't break shields but I'm stubborn and kept trying until I beat it. I feel like I'm the only person who cleared floors 12-2 and 12-3 first time easy but floor 12-1 I struggled with 🤣
Same, my first run i use Rational and Nilou bloom to get 35 star 💀 other chamber with Nilou is ez af but the wenut man.......need to change team because of this
Idk what Temp is talking about lmao, Ive been 36staring the abyss with Tighnari ever since I got him, he's great, and is ESPECALLY good against the Wenut
Fun fact: If you are standing on Bennett's burst and the Rockbreaker Ax hits you with geo or with his Leyline disorder it will create a crystalized shield close to yourself, and if you pick it by accident it will count towards all the other Black Serpent Knights buffs that activate upon hiting a shielded character
@@ActualZombie it's literally true, the same reason why the maguu kenki(s) can proc melt on you and oneshot you, or why the consecrated beasts can overload you to death, or why you can kill the geovishap w/o a shield character as long as you get hit in time and generate a pyro crystalize shield
@@hyeongpinkz Yes the geo waves do proc crystallise on you if you have an aura on yourself but the crystallise shield doesn't trigger the knights's mechanics at all. The OP and the person below my comment are straight up lying or just had a mandela effect moment(more likely).
For tighnari, I like running him with fischl/sara, yae miko, and yaoyao. Double electro and double dendro is pretty nice with him. Plus c1 yao yao with deepwood helps his damage a bit.
I'd never thought I'd be saying abyss was easier for me without bennett, used raiden hyperbloom for wenut and it was so much easier than with bennett, didn't know dendro was that op
Small thing about the serpant knights The reason why they drop shields is because they get hit by your shields that have been deployed. They sorta force you to not use shields. Small lesson for those that use Zhongli on second half Also I still can't clear the wenut
I missed Tighnari and I'm sad... I'm definitely gonna follow his guide for him if I end up losing 50/50. The first time I actually wanna lose it haha!!
Temp has never been so wrong... Got 36 stars with Tighnari/Nahida/Raiden/Kazuha on the 2nd half. I literally have 36 starred with him for a few months now
I retract my feelings for the triple kenkis bros, the "ruin me" ruin serpent, the consecrated beasts duo and the good boy wolf lord. I fucking love them now because of that green pointy caterpillar!
tighnari is not the problem dehya in the first team is the problem also the zhongli shield but u already addressed tht and break the cryo shield of the herald with benny bcoz c6 n 2units pyro on e with 1 sec cd
tighnari not for the abyss? he’s quickswap and has frontloaded dmg and that’s extremely valuable when most enemies in the abyss nowadays have bullshit s and stalls. he is perfect for the abyss boss floors
As a Tighnari main he came in clutch with the WeNut easily take it down. I disagree with Tighnari not having enough DPS. He just need to be right teams with proper rotation
@@drakeshadow7728 well yoimiya needs a shield character, and as moga said, he wasnt aware of the shield issue, so he wants yoimiya with dehya to resist interuption
On today's episode of "Moga doesn't understand enemy mechanics". Watch him repeatedly bring Zhongli against 6 Black serpent enemies while he is on the brink of insanity.
I am struggling soo much on the last chamber, especially because of the first half, they keep killing you, even if u are using a shield, thats completely not fair😭
freeze is the way to go there, i struggled so much with my Al Haitham team, they just kept killing me, even with Kuki and Bennett healing, i was extremely pissed off and decided to bring my Ayaka, she saved my ass LMAO and she can easily deal with hydro shields in 12-1, Ayaka best girl
@@bai_reina Remember Bennet constantly applies pyro to your chars, effectively doubling the dmg of cryo enemies (specially bad for strong single hits). Xingqiu works better for tanking such amounts of dmg.
Ik u may not see this, but a team I love is nahida (dendro support) tighnari (wanderers troupe) kokomi (tank/healer) and yae with (2 piece electro bonus and 2 piece em)
I recommend using Alhaitham nahida shogun shinobu for floor 12 second chamber. They can deal with hydro shield fast and obliterate enemy faster in general. My build are not that good but i can still clear floor 12 with full stars. Replacing alhaitham with tighnari will also works i guess (i don’t have him but looking at his charged atk i think it must be good)
@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaoa true, I think yae is slightly stronger though because her electro application is more rapid over fischl (unless c6) and her numbers are a little higher, but fischl and Raiden easily do the job for tighnari as well
I love how challenging this abyss cycle is. It's been a while since it took me quite some tries to get my abyss done (usually I just complete it within an hour)
Moga you are getting one shotted by those enemies most likely because you are in Bennett's burst which gives you pyro aura so their cryo attacks are getting melted and doing a lot more dmg
I dont know if you already knew this but using dendro element attack to destroy hydro-shield thing is a little bit faster than using cryo element. I once try it with collei CA to destroy hydro hypostasis 3 slimes end phase, pretty much one shot it, or if you have nahida you can just hold her elemental skill and puff.. gone. But against the fatui and herald might be abit longer than the hypostasis slime cause the amount of HP bar it has. 😁
moga malding over kenki’s dashing is lowkey funny since kenki’s one of the easiest boss AIs to manipulate. staying in front of him and keeping his back to the wall really helps a lot with keeping him in place! really cuts down on the time and malding spent on big robot samurai guy on another note, a whole lot of first half problems really gets mitigated with raiden national, all the s, pyronado’s lack of icd, and raiden’s burst superarmor makes first half an absolute breeze. kazuha (with freeze for 12-2 ease or mono-cryo ayaka for 12-3 ease) on second half does the same
As a 5 month player (with subpar artifacts and knowledge about attack pattern), I thought I have skill issues with this patch's floor 12 (cant finish floor 12-2), but seeing old players also struggle, I am at ease knowing maybe I need another couple of months before I could 36 it. I appreciate seeing your commentary and failed attempts! I've been blinded by showcases that show 4 stars that i also use manage to clear abyss on time. Forgetting that maybe they took multiple tries that they choose not to put on video, with whatever sick artifacts they already have lol. Good one mate!
I knew I wasn’t the only one who hated this. I did it yesterday and, oh god, did I suffer. Those cryo mages and their shields, the amount of time the hydro hypostasis spends just sitting there, ANOTHER maguu kenki. I also had to re-do floor 11 because I narrowly missed three stars on the third floor by taking too long destroying the slimes and didn’t restart in time. What is with these spiral abysses lately?
A tip that will help people with Maguu Kenki teleporting everywhere: After you do about 1/4 of his hp he does this ice and anemo attack which hits everyone around him and he becomes invincible. After that attack make sure that you are right in front of him and that his back is to the wall. He has a chance of doing his dash away attack (if he does his other attack just wait and attack him because his next attack will be the dash away one). Once he dashed back and has his back to the wall he will not do another dash and you can keep attacking him without having to chase him down! But remember to keep his back to the wall or else he has a chance of dashing away. I Hope this helps someone.
i did the abyss today and it was fine until floor 12, that was a nightmare, :'((( especially the wenut omg im pretty sure i went through like 4 of its phases 😭
9:08 bruh tighnari is one the highest burst dps in the game he takes like 4 seconds on field to use all his abilities. You just need a another dps probably a alhaitham or something❤
Moga, try out a dendro/dendro/kuki/kokomi or electro/dendro/kuki/kokomi team comps! Double heal is super useful in the abyss and it still procs hyperblooms effectively (esp if kuki is tripple em)!
MOGAAAAAA. Quick guide on the fatui skirmishers: Cryo: use Pyro on the shield Hydro: Electro is the only element that breaks the shield Pyro: Hydro Geo: claymore attacks, geo attacks (except gorou's CA) and overloaded. Blunt (plunging) also works. Electro: cryo Anemo: just kill him. Tell me if I missed something.
Hey Moga, I am a Tighnari main since 3.0 and I have been clearing spiral abyss 36 stars with him since that. Here's some tips that may increase your DMG with him. Tighnari is not meant to be a DPS but a driver-enabler. That means he's both driving another character and enabling more DMG at the same time. If you have Yae Miko (which you have) I would recommend you switch Fischl to her because Yae is an upgrade in terms of Electro application and DMG in his teams. As for Sara, she can be easily replaced by Kazuha or Nahida since both will enable more DMG for Tighnari and Yae (Kazuha only for Yae but he does some CC which is valuable). The last slot can be Zhongli. I recommend you to go Hunter's Path on Tighnari and Freedom Sworn on Kazuha but if you don't have Freedom Sworn, then Xiphos' Moonlight is ok as it's giving ER to the whole team and if you don't have that you can go either Iron Sting or DPS Kazuha. You can use Yae's burst whenever it's available. That chunk of DMG is always appreciated. Either way, my team is Tighnari, Yae Miko, Kazuha and Zhongli. If you want to try that I promise you it will do a lot of DMG. Hope you have fun and thank you for your videos!
I'm pretty sure even without normals Fischl is much more recommended than Kuki and Sara here Being short 1 sec when you're bringing two defensive characters and a dedicated electro support to a dendro character kinda hurts to look at
Moga, I love your videos and I want to believe that you did this Abyss round just to suffer and amuse us, because using Zhongli against the characters that buff up when shields are in play and not taking an hydro for hyperbloom Tighnari is just trying to make it harder on purpose XD. I heard myself raging at the screen hahahaha! Next time, try Raiden (or other electro), Tighnari, Nahida and Kokomi. You'll destroy everything in your path. (I have Amos on my tighnari with wanderer's) the double dendro will drain the water shields real quick.
i love how more interesting, difficult, and complicated the newer enemies are. you actually have to think when fighting them, and they have more to them than just attacking you. sure if you have all c6 r5 characters that really doesn’t matter, but i think it’s just fun additions that make the game not feel too easy
I am starting to think that moga is purposefully ignoring some of our comments he JUST revistsed yae some of us even talked about her tighnari team and yet NOTHING 5 minute planing teams and not thought behind doghing or learning enemy patterns sure if he was using different teams for content that would be understandable but i am genuinely starting to think that moga just doesn’t know how to
i actually thought the same thing the new enemie that is a counter to shields and he brings zhongli and baerly aggrevates any of tighnari's stuff, oh and also prob would have used zhongli with yoimyia instead of being annoyed at the magu kenki (prob easiest boss to defeat) but idk prob for content i guess 😂😂😂
@@emxryld it's a casual game lmao, people can play it however the hell they want. did he 36*? Yes he did, yall need to stop being so pressed about his choices.
Yae would have been much better than Sara since she does damage and tighnari doesn't really need atk as much. And since the chasm enemies are on 2nd half and the wenut barely attacks zhongli could have been replaced with nahida who would buff the whole team
Normally I never, ever have problems with "stalling bosses" like Kenki, Ruin Serpent and the likes. But that Wenut, my god it actually drove me *tearing my hair out* insane.
Imo kenki was the easiest part of this abyss 😭😭 With kenki if you have Hu tao or yoimiya (basically single target dps) you should definitely be fine, but its the goddamn wenut thats torture
They always add the worst bosses for time challenges to the fucking time challenges
Yoi, Yelan, Nahida shred through him pretty easily and it's actually the first abyss where my Yoimiya fared better than HuTao.
@@Yesmypfpismeirl what? yoimiya there does no dmg to them. Takes 8-9 rotations to kill them which is no less than 2 minutes +
@@davidkunakovsky3155 this is not the three kenkis, this is one kenki and yoimiya destroys him literally
the worst part about this is that tighnari is unironically decent in this abyss cycle, it would have been far easier if only you had used anyone but Sara and zhongli
i don't think sara was such a bad call, but the likes of yae would have fared very well on this team
I was just wanted to scream NAHIDA at the screen
@@twilightfox2559 honestly I'm glad he didn't use Nahida - same issue as his C4 Itto, it's just boring to watch a c3 Nahida destroy the abyss
@@abbystafford7549 he didn’t even buff his tighnari with her E half of the time cause he just used E and then Sara ult which was long enough for her buff to work on herself instead of tighnari so basically Sara did there nearly 0 help
@@senioralexander0 he usually bursted with Sara and then swapped to Tighnari - which *also* provides a buff. I am also not saying using her was optimum, just not "such a bad call".
Fun fact: All three hydro slimes from the Hydro Hypostasis die instantly to Nahida’s hold E.
Yup, they die instantly to Dendro in general I think
yeah cause Nahida E has 2U Dendro, enough to oneshot the slimes
I love using my nonexistent nahida to fight the hypothesis
@@hizoriko2922 same, it's very fun most of the time
I won against hydro cube when the time was exactly on 7:00 lol
abyss 12-3-2 be bussin, love that I can't attack the boss for half of the time
I wish it was half of the time. It's underground for like ¾s of the timer at best
And after you stun it, the window of opportunity to do a decent amount of damage is too small, especially compared to other bosses with a downtime mechanic
@@protagkun8859 fr, I have to start throwing my bursts as soon as he goes up (like Nahida's that isn't a short animation).
@@protagkun8859 what i notice is that if you do first half in 40sec u have 2 dps windows with this stupid snake
That’s not how you use the habitual be, it’s a real figure of speech capable of being used intimacy
I would suggest running Nahida instead of Zhongli and Yae instead of Sara, Tighnari is super OP when it comes to single target, idk why ppl say he doesn't have enough DPS to clear
Tighnari hyper makes great use of Zhongli and Sara, Sara is an elegy holder along with applying electro and giving an atk buff, Zhongli shreds Dendro and allows for interruption resistance, he can also use Deepwood if Nahida is holding Gilded dreams. I use Tigh, Nahida, Sara, and Zhongli for Tigh hyper and 36 star abyss.
@@Dnarte_ tell me you don’t have Yae without telling me you don’t have Yae
@@Dnarte_Yae Personal damage>>>Sara buff
@@Dnarte_ Yeah, but comparing with the EM buff that Nahida gives him... She pretty much makes him a beast bcs he turns all of Nahida's EM into DMG Bonus. That's at C0R0, and at C2 Nahida, the Def shred is really nice.
@@tusharsrivastava370 I have Yae built and her signature, I just prefer using Sara for buffing because she can also hold Instructors and Elegy comfortably. There arent many catalyst buffs besides TTDS but Sara's atk buff gives more atk.
I have no idea why Temp said that Tighnari "doesn't have a high enough DPS" at 9:10. By all metrics he's an extremely strong single target DPS whose teams are comparable to the top tier single target comps like Hu Tao and Rational. The only downside to him is that he has no AoE coverage at all, but he can alleviate that somewhat by running teammates like Yae. I think a lot of people think that since he's a standard banner character that he's bad, but in reality he (and also Keqing to an extent) are very much very meta characters.
The only issue was the choice of team, Sara is not a good choice due to how he scales off of EM more than ATK and provides limited value since her C6 is worthless for him, plus her cooldowns don't match at all. A better choice is to use Fischl and Yae, and then choose someone like Zhongli or Yaoyao for the last slot as defensive utility. Alternatively you choose one of Fischl or Yae and then slot in Nahida instead.
This is what we call "feelscrafting". Because he doesn't like Tighnari he's made-up a reason to put him down and pretend that that's an actual theory crafting take.
Tighnari at C0 R1 is really great as a quick swap character. And at c6 he’s so far the fastest in terms of speedeunning/DPS when compared with Nahida and Al Haitham. He’s solid
temp is kind of known to praising just a bunch of characters, and absolutely hating on everyone else. i had a huge respect for him for still maining childe in 2023 but we do not condemn tighnari slander in this house lol
@@jougen i thought cap was the Childe main?
@@jougen do you mean condone?
9:46 i saw zhongli being used on the chasm dudes and half broke down knowing hes going to have a hell of a time defeating them
I've done it with Zhongli without problems. My HuTao team cleared them 3* but sucked the rest while my Yoimiya team shredded the rest and was 3-4sec short on The Chasm dudes.
@@Why_Cant_I_Use_My_ProfName Hu Tao enjoyer here as well, no problems clearing 12-2-2 and 12-3-2 with Double Hydro Hu Tao, had to bring Tighnari for 12-1-2 though.
@@aleksandartosic2261 yeah, first chamber is ass for HuTao. I couldn't bring double Hydro for the rest because my second team is Rational.
@@Why_Cant_I_Use_My_ProfName I did a variation of Rational as my second team (or would it be a variation of Hypercarry Raiden?) by using Raiden, Sara, Bennett, Xiangling and it did quite well surprisingly.
cleared them w my cyno team w zhongli in time as well
"Tighnari doesn't really have enough dps for Abyss...." Me using him since his banner to constantly clear abyss, "What are you talking about?!"
Why is moga so determined in using sarah over literally any character that would actually help
cause he's a whale.. every one of his abyss videos has these comments abt everything he could've easily done better💀no disrespect i like watching his vids
Cause he thinks ATK buff > anything else that matters
@@protagkun8859couldn’t have said it better
Or insist on using Zhongli against husks and getting pissed that it isn't working
This guy just takes the worst Ls sometimes
@@Antigen__ well, he literally explained that he wasn't aware of the husk's mechanics upon trying
Temp could not be more wrong by saying that Tighnari is not a character for abyss. On the Wenut, Tighnari's skill cooldown matches perfectly with the time the boss stays underground. Also Tighnari is almost on par with Alhaitham
Yeah, I'm not sure where they got that idea. Tighnari's single target DPS is very strong and his teams are on par with or close to the top single target teams in the game like Hu Tao Double Hydro or Alhaitham's Spread/Quickbloom teams. The only downside is the lack of AoE but for single target bossing he is one of the best.
People get so caught up on the standard 5 star label. I have Alhaitham and Nahida, but there are some times when I choose Tighnari in the abyss instead or split them up among the different sides, just because I feel like playing him and know he is very capable,
Plus he’s more fun to play than Alhaitham.
you get lol, tighnari is like perfect abyss character, at c6 he is ridiculous for single target
bro fr that dude just has the worst takes istg
Try to use Yae instead to Sara honestly Yae is like the best Tighnari's Teammate Tighnari dont need atk,he focus more on reaction if you add Yae they can everything
i was looking for this comment, thanx.
Yae also triggers Fischl A4 Passive more than Sara which increases team dps by a lot
+ quickswap rotations r awesome
The reason the lawachurls are such menaces is because they proc melt a lot when you're in Bennett's burst (I restarted countless times because of this only to still not be fast enough for the wenut).
Okkkkkk🤯 so thats why they wee dealing as much damage as the concecreted beast(bird and scorpion) benny being unlucky again i gess
Yep thats what 1 of bennet downside but yeah whatever just restart thingy. The best enemies for lavachurl definetely xiangling, cause itselt their shield so fast while also proccing melt. And once their shield is gone their less menace cause they get interupt ezly if they still alive.
Having a boss that hides half of the time during a time challenge is the definition of anxiety...
For future Moga, Yae is great teammate for Tignari since she needs a bit of time to set her turrets and he have short on field time! :D
Love Tignari to bits :3
Yeah, yae tighnari and nahida, the team he made wasn't really that strong, specially why sarah
@@lden15l87 sarah can aply electro in aoe, do some dmg on the side, use elegy and give atk buff. overall decent pair for tignari but not in prolonged fights
Yesss. I love using Yae and Tighnari together. You can beat just about any boss with those two. He takes up the time after you place down Yae's turrets, and he can switch out so you can refresh them at any time. There aren't many bosses those two can't beat together. They're also my go-to for bosses like the wenut, ruin serpent, wolf lord, and maguu because they can both still deal damage from a far. It saves time running after wherever the boss is going to appear next.
@@grommy511 nahida'd be way better for those hydro dudes... besides she could give em to tighnari.
@@milka6828 i mean both? tignari is great with nahida and yae, i see no problem
Tighnari is the character I’ve invested the most resources into and he did great in this abyss (I managed to get 36 stars yay!) I’d definitely recommend him for second half (especially since he can get CAs off really quickly - super helpful for the wenut’s freakishly small dps windows!)😭
I used Tigh, Yae, Nahida, and Kuki. Though you really just need someone who can apply electro off field while you span Tighnari’s attacks since you don’t have to worry about taking damage from the wenut much
I actually tried using Tighnari this abyss and he shredded the second half of the first two chambers but I just could not get him to do chamber three. I think it’s because you can’t swirl Dendro so you never get the resistance drop and so he need more investment to do it. In the end I ended up using Raiden, Yelan, Kazuha, and Fischl. It was a tad unconventional and very hard to get through the first two chambers without dying but it was the only team of out like a Million I tried that actually worked.
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Wouldnt deepwood fix that resistance issue or is it not enough?
yeah the comment saying he is not an abuss chracter is almost dumb lol
@@seraphywang4638 I personally didn’t try since I don’t have good pieces for the characters on my team. It might honestly, and if I swapped out Zhongli for like Yaoyao or something for the Dendro resonance + deepwood but I wouldn’t be surprised if it still wasn’t enough since I wasn’t too too close to finishing up the boss. Still worth a shot and I might honestly try it.
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I dont have many good deepwood pieces but the fantastic thing about them is that unless the character heavily relies on states, any four piece would be good enough since the bonus isnt affected by personal stats. It might be better with a c1 Yaoyao since she can have 15% dendro dmg bonus. I dont have Tighnari so I cant even test this if I wanted to
Tighnari never leaves my side in the abyss. He breezed through the wenut, no resets.
Moga: tossing in the most random 5 minute abyss teams known to man
Also Moga: WhY CaNt I bEaT fLoOr 12-1/12-2????
He’s also a whale🧍🏽
I disagree, I think triple Kenki is slightly better if you know how to manipulate the AI and keep them together and you have enough DPS you can burst them down faster than the single one because the single one has that phase-changing invincibility frame section
And I think that Wenut is slightly less annoying than the ruined serpent cuz the ruins serpent in the abyss doesn't have a means of stunning it(outside spamming a bow user's normal attacks and hoping the auto-aim hits one of those openings that are glowing during the spinning phase) the Wenut if you hit two of those animal balls in the delayed swirl face it'll stun it and it'll game resistances to the elements you swirled
you struggling with those shadow husks with zhongli shield was the most painful thing to watch
12-3-2 is weird, but I'm glad MiHoYo was easy on us, because ofc they don't want to give us anxiety.
This abyss forced me to do two separate runs for the first time in a long time. Like a *really long time*.
I failed a few times on floor 12-1 chamber 2 because I had a hydro unit and characters that couldn't break shields but I'm stubborn and kept trying until I beat it.
I feel like I'm the only person who cleared floors 12-2 and 12-3 first time easy but floor 12-1 I struggled with 🤣
Same, my first run i use Rational and Nilou bloom to get 35 star 💀 other chamber with Nilou is ez af but the wenut man.......need to change team because of this
Idk what Temp is talking about lmao, Ive been 36staring the abyss with Tighnari ever since I got him, he's great, and is ESPECALLY good against the Wenut
Bro probably runs an ATK sands and has no ER thinking "his burst is cheap I don't need any"
Fun fact:
If you are standing on Bennett's burst and the Rockbreaker Ax hits you with geo or with his Leyline disorder it will create a crystalized shield close to yourself, and if you pick it by accident it will count towards all the other Black Serpent Knights buffs that activate upon hiting a shielded character
Me when I spread misinformation on the internet
@@ActualZombie bro it happened to me, that dude isn’t spreading misinformation
@@ActualZombie it's literally true, the same reason why the maguu kenki(s) can proc melt on you and oneshot you, or why the consecrated beasts can overload you to death, or why you can kill the geovishap w/o a shield character as long as you get hit in time and generate a pyro crystalize shield
@@hyeongpinkz Yes the geo waves do proc crystallise on you if you have an aura on yourself but the crystallise shield doesn't trigger the knights's mechanics at all. The OP and the person below my comment are straight up lying or just had a mandela effect moment(more likely).
@@ActualZombie it does, i dont run a shielder on that chamber, and picking up crystalized and getting hit right after made them have their shield up.
"tIGhNaRI iS NOt aN ABysS cHarACter aT aLL"
i'm genuinely curious where this temp fella gets their info from
For tighnari, I like running him with fischl/sara, yae miko, and yaoyao. Double electro and double dendro is pretty nice with him. Plus c1 yao yao with deepwood helps his damage a bit.
I'd never thought I'd be saying abyss was easier for me without bennett, used raiden hyperbloom for wenut and it was so much easier than with bennett, didn't know dendro was that op
Dendro is the new meta
the moment a zhongli main actually has to check the enemies
Small thing about the serpant knights
The reason why they drop shields is because they get hit by your shields that have been deployed. They sorta force you to not use shields. Small lesson for those that use Zhongli on second half
Also I still can't clear the wenut
he literally explains it in the video..
Trying to use Kujo Sara as a Tignhari support is crazy 😅
I missed Tighnari and I'm sad... I'm definitely gonna follow his guide for him if I end up losing 50/50. The first time I actually wanna lose it haha!!
As a venti main, I can vouch that I am always malding, scalding, crying, sobbing, imploding, and exploding
Tighnari not an abyss character?
Temp must really not know how to use him. 😂😂
He is one of the strongest dps currently 😂
Temp has never been so wrong... Got 36 stars with Tighnari/Nahida/Raiden/Kazuha on the 2nd half. I literally have 36 starred with him for a few months now
when I tell you I screamed when the chasm guys were getting buffs from Zhongli's shield 💀
15:44 moga calling kenki masanori 😭 he’s in his heart
All the enemy’s in this abyss are like “cant touch this da da da da da da cant touch this😎”
“on cap” I’m howling on the floor.
for once i didnt struggle on this abyss. quickbloom is so good with alhaitham.
I retract my feelings for the triple kenkis bros, the "ruin me" ruin serpent, the consecrated beasts duo and the good boy wolf lord. I fucking love them now because of that green pointy caterpillar!
tighnari is not the problem
dehya in the first team is the problem also the zhongli shield but u already addressed tht and break the cryo shield of the herald with benny bcoz c6 n 2units pyro on e with 1 sec cd
tighnari not for the abyss? he’s quickswap and has frontloaded dmg and that’s extremely valuable when most enemies in the abyss nowadays have bullshit s and stalls. he is perfect for the abyss boss floors
Me using ayaka in the 2nd half-'i don't have such weakness' 😂😂
What ayaka team do u use to clear weanut
@@nazarboghosian i use triple crown c1 ayaka with blackcliff sword,kazuha, mona with thrilling tales and diona c2
As a Tighnari main he came in clutch with the WeNut easily take it down. I disagree with Tighnari not having enough DPS. He just need to be right teams with proper rotation
Imagine using either Yunjin or Kazuha or Xingqiu in first half instead of Dehya
Imagine using GOOD characters. Couldn’t be Mog
@@drakeshadow7728 well yoimiya needs a shield character, and as moga said, he wasnt aware of the shield issue, so he wants yoimiya with dehya to resist interuption
That one chat said that Tighnari is not an abyss character is wrong though. I beated this Abyss with Tighnari in first try
On today's episode of "Moga doesn't understand enemy mechanics". Watch him repeatedly bring Zhongli against 6 Black serpent enemies while he is on the brink of insanity.
I felt the emotions Moga felt in this whole abyss run :,)
Abyss enemies we hit them: Tis' but a scratch
Abyss enemies when they hit us: *One shot, one kill*
And they don't even have their own timer
idk what you were saying about fischl? Oz attacks and applies electro without normal attacks, she's tighnari's best partner
He probably just ment he doesn't benefit from C6 Fischl, which makes Oz attack even more when a character uses normal attacks
I am struggling soo much on the last chamber, especially because of the first half, they keep killing you, even if u are using a shield, thats completely not fair😭
freeze is the way to go there, i struggled so much with my Al Haitham team, they just kept killing me, even with Kuki and Bennett healing, i was extremely pissed off and decided to bring my Ayaka, she saved my ass LMAO and she can easily deal with hydro shields in 12-1, Ayaka best girl
@@bai_reina Remember Bennet constantly applies pyro to your chars, effectively doubling the dmg of cryo enemies (specially bad for strong single hits). Xingqiu works better for tanking such amounts of dmg.
how is it not fair 😭
Ik u may not see this, but a team I love is nahida (dendro support) tighnari (wanderers troupe) kokomi (tank/healer) and yae with (2 piece electro bonus and 2 piece em)
Tighnari not being an Abyss unit is simply untrue. He was a massive reason as to why I 36 starred the past 2 abyss’s😤
I recommend using Alhaitham nahida shogun shinobu for floor 12 second chamber. They can deal with hydro shield fast and obliterate enemy faster in general. My build are not that good but i can still clear floor 12 with full stars.
Replacing alhaitham with tighnari will also works i guess (i don’t have him but looking at his charged atk i think it must be good)
Tighnari is actually best standard banner dps so idk why some people think he can’t keep up with abyss
Seriously, even without yae I'm getting 36 stars with him each cycle... He's so overhated for abyss by people for no reason
@@redrose1179 Also he doesn’t even need Yae lol Fischl is faster and stronger
@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaoa true, I think yae is slightly stronger though because her electro application is more rapid over fischl (unless c6) and her numbers are a little higher, but fischl and Raiden easily do the job for tighnari as well
I love how challenging this abyss cycle is. It's been a while since it took me quite some tries to get my abyss done (usually I just complete it within an hour)
"THATS IN YOUR FACE TEMP" He seemed so happy lmao😂
For future Moga. Chasm dudes WILL GET a shield if they HIT YOURS! Next time avoid using a shielder for that chamber! Or be a dodge god xD
Moga you are getting one shotted by those enemies most likely because you are in Bennett's burst which gives you pyro aura so their cryo attacks are getting melted and doing a lot more dmg
0:26 the devs hate venti man on cap
1:23 Nahida can oneshot all 3 slimes from the hydro hypothesis with her E
Dendro in general oneshots them so nahida wasn't necesary
Temp still rocking the Ayaka avatar is gold.
I dont know if you already knew this but using dendro element attack to destroy hydro-shield thing is a little bit faster than using cryo element.
I once try it with collei CA to destroy hydro hypostasis 3 slimes end phase, pretty much one shot it, or if you have nahida you can just hold her elemental skill and puff.. gone. But against the fatui and herald might be abit longer than the hypostasis slime cause the amount of HP bar it has. 😁
moga malding over kenki’s dashing is lowkey funny since kenki’s one of the easiest boss AIs to manipulate. staying in front of him and keeping his back to the wall really helps a lot with keeping him in place! really cuts down on the time and malding spent on big robot samurai guy
on another note, a whole lot of first half problems really gets mitigated with raiden national, all the s, pyronado’s lack of icd, and raiden’s burst superarmor makes first half an absolute breeze. kazuha (with freeze for 12-2 ease or mono-cryo ayaka for 12-3 ease) on second half does the same
Your thumbnails keep getting prettier, really nice!
Bruh this one was so much easier for me than the last one idk why people are struggling used raiden national and ganyu freeze
Imagine having busted genshin account and can't even clear 36 * abyss
As a 5 month player (with subpar artifacts and knowledge about attack pattern), I thought I have skill issues with this patch's floor 12 (cant finish floor 12-2), but seeing old players also struggle, I am at ease knowing maybe I need another couple of months before I could 36 it.
I appreciate seeing your commentary and failed attempts!
I've been blinded by showcases that show 4 stars that i also use manage to clear abyss on time. Forgetting that maybe they took multiple tries that they choose not to put on video, with whatever sick artifacts they already have lol. Good one mate!
As a tighnari main with decent investments, this abyss was still very hard( still didn’t 36 star btw)
Oh no. Can you tell me your build? I was gonna try again with my Tighnari, I was thinking he and Shogun were the key to beating that worm.
It's pretty normal, Wenut has dendro res and it cannot be shred during its vulnerable phase
Yeah, I normally beat Wenut with Tighnari.
But he seems less optimal due to its elemental resistances.
@@tripplesouth same, I eventually used my Raiden team to clear it because you can shred defense of other elements except for dendro, anemo and geo
@@wolfwoof2000 you can’t shred his Dendro resistance even with deep wood memories?
I knew I wasn’t the only one who hated this. I did it yesterday and, oh god, did I suffer. Those cryo mages and their shields, the amount of time the hydro hypostasis spends just sitting there, ANOTHER maguu kenki. I also had to re-do floor 11 because I narrowly missed three stars on the third floor by taking too long destroying the slimes and didn’t restart in time. What is with these spiral abysses lately?
And also the consecrated beasts. They annoyed me so much that mentally blocked the memory
What's annoying is that you just did a yae revisit, yet don't use her in one of her best teams with tighnari 😭
If only he knew he would do this with Tighnari on 1 try- lesson learned but that was great video haha 😂❤
Never heard a Moga happier than this one
This was a fun video! Keep it up
Just realized Dehya was supposed to counter the black serpents but they scuffed her kit so much they nerfed everything
I love these buzzer-beater wins, it's similar to my experience in 36 starring the latest abyss.
A tip that will help people with Maguu Kenki teleporting everywhere:
After you do about 1/4 of his hp he does this ice and anemo attack which hits everyone around him and he becomes invincible. After that attack make sure that you are right in front of him and that his back is to the wall. He has a chance of doing his dash away attack (if he does his other attack just wait and attack him because his next attack will be the dash away one). Once he dashed back and has his back to the wall he will not do another dash and you can keep attacking him without having to chase him down! But remember to keep his back to the wall or else he has a chance of dashing away.
I Hope this helps someone.
i did the abyss today and it was fine until floor 12, that was a nightmare, :'((( especially the wenut omg im pretty sure i went through like 4 of its phases 😭
9:08 bruh tighnari is one the highest burst dps in the game he takes like 4 seconds on field to use all his abilities. You just need a another dps probably a alhaitham or something❤
not sure if it's fact but i heard that while in deyha's burst, if you press e repeatedly, you attack faster
Moga, try out a dendro/dendro/kuki/kokomi or electro/dendro/kuki/kokomi team comps! Double heal is super useful in the abyss and it still procs hyperblooms effectively (esp if kuki is tripple em)!
The first Spiral Abyss phase that I gave up and stuck with 35 stars since the first time I cleared it. Screw worm bosses.
moga : for real for real ... on cap some.. cuts off
MOGAAAAAA.
Quick guide on the fatui skirmishers:
Cryo: use Pyro on the shield
Hydro: Electro is the only element that breaks the shield
Pyro: Hydro
Geo: claymore attacks, geo attacks (except gorou's CA) and overloaded. Blunt (plunging) also works.
Electro: cryo
Anemo: just kill him.
Tell me if I missed something.
he literally knows what elemets to use against shields tho? And no, electro is NOT the only element that breaks hydro shields.
Hey Moga, I am a Tighnari main since 3.0 and I have been clearing spiral abyss 36 stars with him since that. Here's some tips that may increase your DMG with him.
Tighnari is not meant to be a DPS but a driver-enabler. That means he's both driving another character and enabling more DMG at the same time. If you have Yae Miko (which you have) I would recommend you switch Fischl to her because Yae is an upgrade in terms of Electro application and DMG in his teams. As for Sara, she can be easily replaced by Kazuha or Nahida since both will enable more DMG for Tighnari and Yae (Kazuha only for Yae but he does some CC which is valuable). The last slot can be Zhongli. I recommend you to go Hunter's Path on Tighnari and Freedom Sworn on Kazuha but if you don't have Freedom Sworn, then Xiphos' Moonlight is ok as it's giving ER to the whole team and if you don't have that you can go either Iron Sting or DPS Kazuha.
You can use Yae's burst whenever it's available. That chunk of DMG is always appreciated.
Either way, my team is Tighnari, Yae Miko, Kazuha and Zhongli. If you want to try that I promise you it will do a lot of DMG. Hope you have fun and thank you for your videos!
The way his voice became so sad and defeated honestly hurts this is the most sadness and annoyance in Moga’s abyss run ever
I'm pretty sure even without normals Fischl is much more recommended than Kuki and Sara here
Being short 1 sec when you're bringing two defensive characters and a dedicated electro support to a dendro character kinda hurts to look at
Good job Moga. You showed him that Tighnari is in fact an abyss character! Tell Tim to kick rocks.
Moga, I love your videos and I want to believe that you did this Abyss round just to suffer and amuse us, because using Zhongli against the characters that buff up when shields are in play and not taking an hydro for hyperbloom Tighnari is just trying to make it harder on purpose XD. I heard myself raging at the screen hahahaha! Next time, try Raiden (or other electro), Tighnari, Nahida and Kokomi. You'll destroy everything in your path. (I have Amos on my tighnari with wanderer's) the double dendro will drain the water shields real quick.
i love how more interesting, difficult, and complicated the newer enemies are. you actually have to think when fighting them, and they have more to them than just attacking you. sure if you have all c6 r5 characters that really doesn’t matter, but i think it’s just fun additions that make the game not feel too easy
I am starting to think that moga is purposefully ignoring some of our comments he JUST revistsed yae some of us even talked about her tighnari team and yet NOTHING 5 minute planing teams and not thought behind doghing or learning enemy patterns sure if he was using different teams for content that would be understandable but i am genuinely starting to think that moga just doesn’t know how to
i actually thought the same thing the new enemie that is a counter to shields and he brings zhongli and baerly aggrevates any of tighnari's stuff, oh and also prob would have used zhongli with yoimyia instead of being annoyed at the magu kenki (prob easiest boss to defeat) but idk prob for content i guess 😂😂😂
@skilly_2k975 yea probably still frustrating to witness
This abyss is a walk in the park compared to the last one. That one had me ripping and tearing out my hair
I was THIS close to doing Wenut with Tighnari but I was a whole sec off. I managed to 36Star this Abyss with Alhaitham tho but dangit …
Stopppp moga sounds so happy and excited when he clears the chambers 😭😭😭
You should've tried Tighnari, Nahida, Raiden/Miko and then maybe Zhongli. Fischl is sub optimal for characters that rely on charged attacks.
Who the hell says Tighnari doesn't have enough DPS for Abyss? What lmao
Alright nvm I see why now since Moga is using one of the weirdest Tighnari teams I've ever seen
Pro tip: learn how to play without a shielder.
here's another pro tip mogawty: learn to play the game (:
@@emxryld it's a casual game lmao, people can play it however the hell they want.
did he 36*? Yes he did, yall need to stop being so pressed about his choices.
"for real for real... on cap" I DIED Moga said this in the most nonchalant voice ever too I CAN'T 😂😭
Yae would have been much better than Sara since she does damage and tighnari doesn't really need atk as much.
And since the chasm enemies are on 2nd half and the wenut barely attacks zhongli could have been replaced with nahida who would buff the whole team
Using Tighnari with Nahida is a crime moga 😂
You did that with a shield in the second half. Bravo, sir.