You got to remember that during this time period, majority were put off by how dark Batman Returns is... which is why WB changed the tone which lead to us to getting Batman Forever and the disastrous Batman and Robin. It wasn't until people looked back in retrospect that Batman Returns got the respect it deserves.
Maybe it's just me, but I can't help but feel that you acknowledging the fact that Keaton's Batman does kill as an excuse to prove that he's not a wimp does comes off as you complimenting him killing his enemies.
@@Illustraful Then read or watch Deadpool or The Punisher, which don't get me wrong, I do like those characters (Punisher especially), but their motives for doing what they do are totally different by comparison. Batman's whole moral is that if he kills then he proves that he is no better than his adversaries. Why do you think the Joker is often regarded as the greatest among those adversaries? The reason is that the Joker would go to great lengths to break his moral code, which is played greatly in stuff like the Arkham games or in The Dark Knight. It's things like this that make Batman such a compelling character because he'll go to great lengths to do what he can to stop the worst of crimes without becoming it, so when I read comments like this, it just comes off as idiotic and brainless, as it reads as someone who doesn't get or care to understand the full aspects of the character (which to me makes you not a real fan), and/or someone who thinks every single superhero/vigilante should kill, for it makes them look cool and badass. You and Zack Snyder would get along just fine.
It’s so interesting to hear public opinion on Batman Returns from this era. As much as we lament the changes in Forever, WB had a foundation for doing so.
They did have a foundation for making changes in 1995. That’s absolutely true. It’s just one of those things in retrospect, When you look back at the entire franchise, Batman returns was highly underappreciated and is a far better movie than Batman Forever..
@@dbreiden83080 let's say that Batman Returns is a much better movie (at its core, a movie about outcasts unable to find happiness) but Forever is more enjoyable in terms of superheroic shenanigans/Batphilia (meaning an honest love for the gadgets and the vehicles...and nipples).
@@jjrj8568 Val Kilmer did a great job but the script is too silly and even though I am a Jim Carrey fan he basically wrecked the movie for me.. He is just hamming it up to a level 20 in every scene. You can tell Schumacher gave him little direction on the role. Carrey just went nuts..
@@dbreiden83080 I don't have a problem at all with Carrey, as you've said, utterly over-the-top and cartoonish, '60s Riddler updated for '90s cheese. I don't have a problem with Two-Face either: too loud/cartoonish for some, but he truly looked deranged and very murderous. This movie is darker than most people remember it.
It’s so cool to get this relic from 1995. I didn’t know that they would do screenings around the clock for big event films back in the day. I can’t believe the three of you went to a 3:00 show after work. I would’ve been exhausted.
Jimmy Leszczynski If you don’t mind me asking, do you still feel the same way about this film? Currently, what is your favorite live action Batman film?
@@jalenjohnson1662 more or less. I was a little harsh on Keaton, but I still agree. You need to play a good bruce wayne, and Kilmer did that. West Is my favorite. New movie looks interesting so far.
Jimmy Leszczynski Now that I’ve read some of the comics from the early 40’s, I’ve gained a new appreciation for West. I do think he was pretty close to who Batman was in the comics at that time. Yes, the new film looks very good. Can’t wait!
@retrocoolnerd457 Keaton's a whip really ? Lay off the drugs buddy he was literally the best batman. The Joel Schumacher Batman movies aged like milk there terrible films were you guys that bored in the summer of 1995 you probably thought anything was good 😂 Batman Returns and Batman 1989 are far superior
Michael Keaton is the best Batman ever! But Batman Forever and Batman & Robin is still part of my childhood seen those movies on VHS 📼 because I wasn’t able to see them in the movie 🍿 theater back in the day.
Very insightful dude. I personally prefer Keaton but it's always good to hear some opinions on the more complex side of the Dark Knight! I would love to see this movie at 4 am! Awesome interview!
There actually are some from the red carpet premiere. People were generally okay with it surprisingly. I've actually met some casual audiences that have it as their favorite. Not saying that makes it good or erases the negative reaction. But it's always interesting to see how non-fans react to films like this.
We did a similar outing after work for B&R. I wore my full latex Batman suit- the "Sonar" suit from 'Forever' and was announced by the sparsly attended theater manager as " Batman as I entered and sat square in the middle seat. The lights went down, and I spent the next 2 hrs slouching further and further into my seat out of shame for that movie. I have since grown to like it, but if I could have I would have dropped a smoke pellet and escaped.
Keaton a wimp? Michael Keaton was in 3 Movies Batman 89 Batman Returns and the Flash that Came out in February While Kilmer was in Batman Forever and that's it, Still Val was a Great Batman.
My reaction in 1995 was ' Jim Carey was okay but kinda puney looking. Soundtrack was great. Loved the new look Gotham and all the colors. Nicole Kidman overplayed her part and I didn't find her sexy at all. Val was a great new Batman, was a closer age to the character than Keaton, but lacked the authenticity that Keaton brought to the role. Tommy Lee Jones was overacting and was a poor man's Jack Nicholson'. Those are my memories at the time. BTW, loved the Mcdonalds collector glasses.
@@Movienerd092 nope, that was me and I stand by those words. Kilmer is a better Bruce Wayne than Keaton. Bale is a better Bruce than Kilmer. At the time there was only two to compare, but Kilmer was a better Bruce.
It was the beginning of the end for batman until batman begins they should have kept tim Burton but Burton didn't want to make a toy advent Warner learned it lesson when batman and robin came out burton and keaton is the winnering team that why the hype when keaton came back to play batman in the flash it wouldn't have worked if Clooney came back he should never be near a batman film again
I saw batman forever when it came out and i was put off by how different it was to the first 2 not a fan but its interesting to see different takes especially back when it came out....batman forever for its flaws made quite a bit of money more then returns(although I think returns is far superior michelle pfieffer alone ensures that) but this movie laid the ground work for batman and robin and yikes...
You looked a little like Jim Carrey, no? In the face I mean. A beefier Jim Carrey. Shame your opinion has aged poorly though rofl. Do you still feel Val Kilmer is a better Batman than Michael Keaton? Especially now that Keaton's set to return?
I have never heard that, but thanks for the compliment. I felt at the time that anyone could be in the suit, and that Val was a better Bruce Wayne. At the time I had Adam, Micheal, and Val to pool my opion. I was not as well versed in the 2 serials at the time. Adam was, and still is my fav bot bruce and bat for many reasons. So, between just Val and Michael, I prefer Val. I prefer his screen presence, confidence, and IMO the better costume. That does not mean Keaton is Bad, just that I like Val better. In retrospect, Wimp was a little harsh. A younger me was obviously playing to the camera, and my pals behind the camera.
@@retrocoolnerd Haha it's cool man. I was just teasing. It's fine that you prefer Val. I think time has proven him to be an underrated Batman. I also think it's cool that West is your favourite. A lot of people seem to think that something being darker and more cynical automatically makes it superior. It's great to still have people around who like the more jovial and uncomplicated takes on the character.
If u think kilmer is better then check out the flash film This is why Keaton is the best batman and would be great in a batman beyond film has a old Bruce Wayne mentoring a new young batman
@@retrocoolnerd I'm sure you've heard that film was going to have a lot of psychological elements some of which are in the deleted scenes such as Batman doubting himself.
I was, and still am, a pretty big big Batman fan. This was a little before the turn of the century and we didn't have as much Bat content as we do now. So, at the time when I came out of the movie, I was really excited that they portrayed Bruce's inner turmoil. I thought the script was, for the most part, really well written. How it was executed is up for debate, but I over all enjoyed it. Kilmer has similar thought's to mine about the suit in his new Doc, if you haven't seen it. Any way, a long way to say I stand by what I said then.
Yes batman and robin was a disaster that what u get when u let toy companies have a big steak in the film making proscess just to make a 2 hour toy advent thank god Nolan and Matt reeves just made it about the filn
Considering Bruce Wayne owns Wayne Medical and Wayne Pharmaceuticals (which are branches of Wayne Enterprises). Batman is most definitely making bank by beating up criminals.
Batman returns should of had a tim burton sequel batman continues tim burton version was only the best in my eyes batman forever was ok only cause Robin saved the movie as for batman and robin with clooney was garbage and in my eyes Micheal Keaton will always be batman next to Adam west (original batman)
If this video proves one thing it proves that you shouldn't interview people after seeing the movie. Hardly anybody is brave enough to give an honest opinion about the film. Many star wars fans said they loved episode one but as time went on they realized it wasn't that good. Batman forever is easily the weakest film out of all of them.
@@retrocoolnerd Well I did say hardly anyone is brave enough. Yes batman and robin is probably the worst. Batman forever is a movie.You can watch with the sound off. The dialogue is not really good and some of the action is hard to follow because it's not well staged. The best action directors like Cameron and Spielberg and George Miller.They give you a sense of space and geography and suspense.
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Keaton a wimp? His Batman killed the villains. And he didn't say lines like "I'll get drive thru" and "Chicks dig the car."
You got to remember that during this time period, majority were put off by how dark Batman Returns is... which is why WB changed the tone which lead to us to getting Batman Forever and the disastrous Batman and Robin. It wasn't until people looked back in retrospect that Batman Returns got the respect it deserves.
Maybe it's just me, but I can't help but feel that you acknowledging the fact that Keaton's Batman does kill as an excuse to prove that he's not a wimp does comes off as you complimenting him killing his enemies.
@@DarkHeroesForever Yes I do. I like my vigilantes to be hardcore, not have some wimpy code about not killing villains.
@@Illustraful Then read or watch Deadpool or The Punisher, which don't get me wrong, I do like those characters (Punisher especially), but their motives for doing what they do are totally different by comparison. Batman's whole moral is that if he kills then he proves that he is no better than his adversaries. Why do you think the Joker is often regarded as the greatest among those adversaries? The reason is that the Joker would go to great lengths to break his moral code, which is played greatly in stuff like the Arkham games or in The Dark Knight. It's things like this that make Batman such a compelling character because he'll go to great lengths to do what he can to stop the worst of crimes without becoming it, so when I read comments like this, it just comes off as idiotic and brainless, as it reads as someone who doesn't get or care to understand the full aspects of the character (which to me makes you not a real fan), and/or someone who thinks every single superhero/vigilante should kill, for it makes them look cool and badass. You and Zack Snyder would get along just fine.
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Gosh…I miss the 90’s so so much!!! Ugh 😩 🤷🏻♂️💯😂
❤
Same
Same here
Ooo iam heer cmon
Batman Forever was great as were the first two, i personally loved Batman Forever, it was fun and entertaining! Great soundtrack too,!
It’s so interesting to hear public opinion on Batman Returns from this era. As much as we lament the changes in Forever, WB had a foundation for doing so.
It’s called money.
They did have a foundation for making changes in 1995. That’s absolutely true. It’s just one of those things in retrospect, When you look back at the entire franchise, Batman returns was highly underappreciated and is a far better movie than Batman Forever..
@@dbreiden83080 let's say that Batman Returns is a much better movie (at its core, a movie about outcasts unable to find happiness) but Forever is more enjoyable in terms of superheroic shenanigans/Batphilia (meaning an honest love for the gadgets and the vehicles...and nipples).
@@jjrj8568
Val Kilmer did a great job but the script is too silly and even though I am a Jim Carrey fan he basically wrecked the movie for me.. He is just hamming it up to a level 20 in every scene. You can tell Schumacher gave him little direction on the role. Carrey just went nuts..
@@dbreiden83080 I don't have a problem at all with Carrey, as you've said, utterly over-the-top and cartoonish, '60s Riddler updated for '90s cheese. I don't have a problem with Two-Face either: too loud/cartoonish for some, but he truly looked deranged and very murderous. This movie is darker than most people remember it.
I like Batman Forever.
It’s so cool to get this relic from 1995. I didn’t know that they would do screenings around the clock for big event films back in the day. I can’t believe the three of you went to a 3:00 show after work. I would’ve been exhausted.
Only for big movies, like Batman. We did it again a couple years later for Batman and Robin, but we left with a much different attitude.
Jimmy Leszczynski If you don’t mind me asking, do you still feel the same way about this film? Currently, what is your favorite live action Batman film?
@@jalenjohnson1662 more or less. I was a little harsh on Keaton, but I still agree. You need to play a good bruce wayne, and Kilmer did that. West Is my favorite. New movie looks interesting so far.
Jimmy Leszczynski Now that I’ve read some of the comics from the early 40’s, I’ve gained a new appreciation for West. I do think he was pretty close to who Batman was in the comics at that time.
Yes, the new film looks very good. Can’t wait!
@retrocoolnerd457 Keaton's a whip really ? Lay off the drugs buddy he was literally the best batman. The Joel Schumacher Batman movies aged like milk there terrible films were you guys that bored in the summer of 1995 you probably thought anything was good 😂 Batman Returns and Batman 1989 are far superior
Michael Keaton is the best Batman ever! But Batman Forever and Batman & Robin is still part of my childhood seen those movies on VHS 📼 because I wasn’t able to see them in the movie 🍿 theater back in the day.
Christian Bale is the best Bruce Wayne and Batman.
Why do people keep calling special effects 'Graphics'?
Then again, this is 'Batman Forever', the whole movie is paced like a video game.
Just rewatched it, it was so paced like a video game so predictable it’s alright tho
Because "cgi" wasnt really a term then
Computer generated = video graphics so it kinda makes sense.
Very insightful dude. I personally prefer Keaton but it's always good to hear some opinions on the more complex side of the Dark Knight! I would love to see this movie at 4 am! Awesome interview!
Hmm 🤔 I wonder why they didn’t do reactions for Batman & Robin
I think they did this guy might not have the footage
There actually are some from the red carpet premiere. People were generally okay with it surprisingly. I've actually met some casual audiences that have it as their favorite. Not saying that makes it good or erases the negative reaction. But it's always interesting to see how non-fans react to films like this.
We did a similar outing after work for B&R. I wore my full latex Batman suit- the "Sonar" suit from 'Forever' and was announced by the sparsly attended theater manager as " Batman as I entered and sat square in the middle seat. The lights went down, and I spent the next 2 hrs slouching further and further into my seat out of shame for that movie. I have since grown to like it, but if I could have I would have dropped a smoke pellet and escaped.
Just saw it in theatres. What a banger . So over the top. So epic ❤
I like the super hero poses you guys made haha xd what a cool part of Batman history to be a part of
Drew is HOT! Don't listen to the reporter that is clearly intimidated by you! Pose all day! Where are you now? haha!
#ReleaseTheSchumacherCut
Because they're young and from California, they don't sound 'dated' like other people do when you hear 90s interviews these days.
That's Danny Moreno interviewing them. He's now on ABC7 Los Angeles
I wonder what Drew’s up to these days
Keaton a wimp? Michael Keaton was in 3 Movies Batman 89 Batman Returns and the Flash that Came out in February While Kilmer was in Batman Forever and that's it, Still Val was a Great Batman.
An early graduation present to myself..
My reaction in 1995 was ' Jim Carey was okay but kinda puney looking. Soundtrack was great. Loved the new look Gotham and all the colors. Nicole Kidman overplayed her part and I didn't find her sexy at all. Val was a great new Batman, was a closer age to the character than Keaton, but lacked the authenticity that Keaton brought to the role. Tommy Lee Jones was overacting and was a poor man's Jack Nicholson'. Those are my memories at the time. BTW, loved the Mcdonalds collector glasses.
1995 was such a boring summer that everyone liked this film.just proves we were all bored and we bought anything that entertained us.
It was a good movie though. Filled with exciting flamboyant performances: fun energy.
Superhero movies were like sips of water in a desert, take what u can get
Val Kilmer was a much better Batman but boy, that movie was terrible.
1st guy look like Adam Sandler forreal
Recency bias was a thing even back then.
Cool thanks
1:45 Good girl
The blonde chick is high af lmao
Yeah bro ❤😂😂😂 she cute tho
I’m sure the people who gave hate for Michael Keaton are eating their words
@@Movienerd092 nope, that was me and I stand by those words. Kilmer is a better Bruce Wayne than Keaton. Bale is a better Bruce than Kilmer. At the time there was only two to compare, but Kilmer was a better Bruce.
Oml this news report about this shit movie was filmed on my parents wedding day 😂
The girl says she liked the movie but she doesn’t seem too enthusiastic.
It was the beginning of the end for batman until batman begins they should have kept tim Burton but Burton didn't want to make a toy advent Warner learned it lesson when batman and robin came out burton and keaton is the winnering team that why the hype when keaton came back to play batman in the flash it wouldn't have worked if Clooney came back he should never be near a batman film again
I saw batman forever when it came out and i was put off by how different it was to the first 2 not a fan but its interesting to see different takes especially back when it came out....batman forever for its flaws made quite a bit of money more then returns(although I think returns is far superior michelle pfieffer alone ensures that) but this movie laid the ground work for batman and robin and yikes...
You looked a little like Jim Carrey, no? In the face I mean. A beefier Jim Carrey. Shame your opinion has aged poorly though rofl. Do you still feel Val Kilmer is a better Batman than Michael Keaton? Especially now that Keaton's set to return?
I have never heard that, but thanks for the compliment. I felt at the time that anyone could be in the suit, and that Val was a better Bruce Wayne. At the time I had Adam, Micheal, and Val to pool my opion. I was not as well versed in the 2 serials at the time. Adam was, and still is my fav bot bruce and bat for many reasons. So, between just Val and Michael, I prefer Val. I prefer his screen presence, confidence, and IMO the better costume. That does not mean Keaton is Bad, just that I like Val better. In retrospect, Wimp was a little harsh. A younger me was obviously playing to the camera, and my pals behind the camera.
@@retrocoolnerd Haha it's cool man. I was just teasing. It's fine that you prefer Val. I think time has proven him to be an underrated Batman. I also think it's cool that West is your favourite. A lot of people seem to think that something being darker and more cynical automatically makes it superior. It's great to still have people around who like the more jovial and uncomplicated takes on the character.
If u think kilmer is better then check out the flash film This is why Keaton is the best batman and would be great in a batman beyond film has a old Bruce Wayne mentoring a new young batman
@@retrocoolnerd I'm sure you've heard that film was going to have a lot of psychological elements some of which are in the deleted scenes such as Batman doubting himself.
Advertising the film with Danny Elfman's music, only to not have it for the film......
Smh WB....
be honest... in retrospect did you still think it was a good Movie?
I was, and still am, a pretty big big Batman fan. This was a little before the turn of the century and we didn't have as much Bat content as we do now. So, at the time when I came out of the movie, I was really excited that they portrayed Bruce's inner turmoil. I thought the script was, for the most part, really well written. How it was executed is up for debate, but I over all enjoyed it. Kilmer has similar thought's to mine about the suit in his new Doc, if you haven't seen it. Any way, a long way to say I stand by what I said then.
@@retrocoolnerd Heck yeah me too still like Batman Forever I thought it was good sequel.
classic
That guy with the long hair is a real doofus.
just thinking that seems full of himself
3:07 "Micheal Keatons a wimp" really, because Keaton will always have 2 great Batman movies on his resume, Kilmer has a very forgettable one.
Forever is far from forgettable, it's better than the two Keaton movies
Kilmer turned down part IV. I'm sure he's glad he did given how terrible it turned out.
Yes batman and robin was a disaster that what u get when u let toy companies have a big steak in the film making proscess just to make a 2 hour toy advent thank god Nolan and Matt reeves just made it about the filn
Considering Bruce Wayne owns Wayne Medical and Wayne Pharmaceuticals (which are branches of Wayne Enterprises). Batman is most definitely making bank by beating up criminals.
Batman Forever > Batman Returns 🤷🏾♂️
Just inst though
Batman returns should of had a tim burton sequel batman continues tim burton version was only the best in my eyes batman forever was ok only cause Robin saved the movie as for batman and robin with clooney was garbage and in my eyes Micheal Keaton will always be batman next to Adam west (original batman)
If this video proves one thing it proves that you shouldn't interview people after seeing the movie. Hardly anybody is brave enough to give an honest opinion about the film. Many star wars fans said they loved episode one but as time went on they realized it wasn't that good. Batman forever is easily the weakest film out of all of them.
The guy with the long hair, me, shares his honest opinion. And I stand by it to this day. Also, Batman and Robin is worse than Forever.
@@retrocoolnerd Well I did say hardly anyone is brave enough. Yes batman and robin is probably the worst. Batman forever is a movie.You can watch with the sound off. The dialogue is not really good and some of the action is hard to follow because it's not well staged. The best action directors like Cameron and Spielberg and George Miller.They give you a sense of space and geography and suspense.
Terrible movie.
No it isn't lol