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In the comics, Batman used to carry a gun and kill the criminals. It wasn't until teen sidekick Robin was introduced that he stopped carying the gun and started not killing criminals.
And they also continue his story right where Batman Returns leaves off in the Batman '89 comic books. Billy Dee is Two Face, Marlon Wayans would have been introduced as Robin, & Selina Kyle returns & everything. If you've never read it, I highly recommend it. It's really cool.
@@loudboy317 It already has enough on its plate between a story about racial tensions and gentrification in Gotham, Harvey Dent's fall, Batman and Robin becoming partners, and a returning Catwoman, there just wasn't room for the Riddler.
I’d rather watch batman and robin than this mess. I hate this movie. At least it he villains in b&r aren’t bad joker rip offs and that movie isn’t as boring as this one.
as a person who saw this in theaters as a kid, i can say the hype about this movie was great. I loved it when it came out. McDonalds even sold limited edition glass cups. of course i bought one :D
Drew Barrymore was at the peak yet tail end of her bad girl period. She was no longer troubled in life but most of her characters in the early 1990s were rebels and vixens. She also had a pictorial in a certain popular magazine early that year. By the end of the decade, she had wholesome young leading lady characters in a few hit movies, and then really went big with "Charlie's Angels."
People really be trashing this movie. I really enjoy Tim Burton's batman movies but this was a fresh new take and as a 12 year old kid all the way to young adulthood batman forever was the one for me. Seriously underrated batman performance.
I saw it in the theater in 1997, and i can tell you this was not a good movie "back then." It wasn't as bad as the next one, but after the two Burton films, i was like, "WTF am i watching?"
@@trekkiejunk 1995 you mean. Also it was one of the highest grossing movies of that summer or year so a lot of people loved it. I loved it as well and I still do even for the wackiness. It's not as bad as batman and Robin.
The hype for this movie was nuts. McDonald's had a commemorative glass campaign, the video game sold well, the marketing was pretty slick too. Val Kilmer (even in his current health), IN MY OPINION, is a top 3 Batman.
This movie actually has probably my favorite depiction of Gotham on the big screen. To me, it’s the perfect mash up of that 1930’s-40’s noire atmosphere with a in the near future 90’s grunge if that makes sense lol.
Keep in mind when you watch movies from the 90's that CGI was still in a transitional period. While used, it wasn't used as extensively as it is now. So, often times, when you say, "the CGI has held up well," you may be referring to practical effects, animatronics, and composite effects that were at their peak development. There was definitely some CGI in this film, but a lot more of it was practical than you probably think.
It makes him laugh that Two Face stole cell phones, but we must remember that it's a 1995 film, probably filmed in 1994, at the time cell phones were luxury items only for the rich, they were worth a fortune. Robin's joke on the metal island is a reference to the 1960s television series with Adam West and Burt Ward: Robin always spoke like this in the series.
Ok, hold on....as someone who actually lived through the 1990's as a young adult, cell phones were NOT a "luxury item" in 1994, owned only by the rich. I got my first one in 1995, and even adjusted for inflation, it cost me a lot less than what an iPhone costs today. I got my first flip phone in 1996, and it was like $250 (about $350 in today's money). Not nearly as many people chose to purchase them as today, but they were definitely not "a luxury item only for the rich."
LOL! The nipple suit was a BIG controversy back then too. 🤣 Love that you commented on that. I haven't watched this movie since it came out. At the time, it just wasn't the "gothic" feast I was used to from Tim Burton. I thought Tommy Lee and Jim did well but it was definitely a shift for me. Thoughtful critiques, as usual.
Batman Forever was the first Batman movie I saw in a theater. I remember it so vividly. I'll admit that I love this movie probably more than I should. I remember in the early days of the internet, I read about 40 minutes of footage that would have completely changed the film and I always wanted to see it. When the Blu ray came out, I finally got to see them and it was true. Recently I read that Kevin Smith had seen the infamous "Schumacher cut" and I'm still dying to see it. And I'm not gonna lie...the lighting in this movie is pretty epic lol As for our old friend Billy Dee Williams, perhaps if Tim Burton had directed and Robin Williams had been cast the Riddler, Billy would have fit right in.
As infamous as the bat-nipples are today, at the time the idea was to create a suit that reflected human anatomy more. Thus they modeled the suits on Greek and Roman statues.
At the time, there was a LOT of talk about how dumb it was. I remember, because i lived through it. And let's be real...Schumacher had a lot of homo-eroticism in the film, because...well, he's gay. And i say this as a queer person myself. But the nipples and the tight asses (and the close-up shots of both) all are intentionally erotic.
That, and Joel Schumacher was known for being a flamboyant filmmaker and wanted to have homoerotic undertones with the costume designs and garish colors.
I'm so glad you referred to him as the co-creator. It took forever for Bill Finger to get any credit, especially considering his contribution to everything Batman is arguably bigger than Kane's.
I have such a soft spot for this movie as it was my first exposure to Batman in any medium. I love Keaton Bats the best but Val Kilmer did a commendable job trying to do an earnest portrayal of Batman/Bruce Wayne. Really hoping you guys finish off the Bat-Anthology with Batman & Robin. I think you guys will enjoy the ridiculousness punched up to a 100.
While I think both of the villains were pretty goofy, Val Kilmer made a very good Bruce/Batman EDIT - Also, I don't think Nicole Kidman has ever looked more beautiful than she did in this movie :)
So just a little correction these films are not connected to the Burton verse. Last year the Burton movies had a comic books series called Batman 89 featuring a few comic issues diving into the events post Batman Returns. These comics use the likenesses of the Burton actors with Michael Keaton returning as Batman along with Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman and Billy Dee Williams as Two Face. It also features Anton Furst Gotham City from the Burton movies as well fitting with the art direction of Burton films. These comics act as the third Burton movie the film we would've gotten if Burton stayed on and was allowed to direct his idea of a sequel. They also feature a whole different Robin as well so the Burtonverse has it's own origin for Robin and Michael Keaton's Batman to the one we see in this film. So when you go into the Flash film just pretend that Forever and Batman & Robin never happened in relation to what Michael Keaton's Batman has went through. While Batman Forever is seen is it's own timeline where events maybe happened similar to that of the Burton movies but with different actors, different depiction of Gotham, and some returning faces. Same goes with Batman & Robin which I think has nods to Batman Forever while Batman Forever has nods to Batman Returns. So yeah in the eyes of WB these films are all connected but years later in the eyes of DC the Burtonverse is it's own thing while Batman Forever and Batman & Robin exist outside of this. I really do like this film though the art direction is amazing and Neo Gotham looks great very Art Deco mixed with Neon Vegas and alot of 1940s elements such as the retro police cars and the vehicles used by Two Faces men all giving it a very timeline Animated Series look. It does look more like Metropolis at times with all the Art Deco than Gotham but its really cool design nontheless. This is my personal favourite versions of Gotham when they dive into the timeless look and feel something we saw in the Burton films and also the Batman Animated Series. The movie is less dark as well going for a more campy feel but to the background of a more gothic Gotham City than the Sunny West Coast setting depicted in the 1966 Batman Adam West show. Would've loved more of a mix of darkness meets camp but it's fun to re-watch.
I'd say that the Schumacher films are just as much a part of the Burtonverse as the Batman '89 comics are, but it's kinda like the relationship between, say, Halloween II and Halloween 2018: two stories that are in the same fictional universe but not in the exact same timeline. Batman Forever is a sequel to the first two movies, but it is not canon in the universe of the B89 comics or, presumably, the new Flash movie.
I consider Batman Forever connected to the previous two films, making it a trilogy. Seeing as how when Robin says "your family wasn't killed by a maniac." Bruce replies, "yes, they were." That's a reference to the Joker, obviously. Has the same Alfred. Same Gordon. Chase Meridian makes a to Catwoman when she says reference to Catwoman. Plus Burton was a producer. Least that's my view on it.
Actually, these movies ARE connected to the Burton verse based on the following: -Same Alfred -Same Gordon -The woman who played Gossip Gerty in the Schumacher films is also the reporter with no makeup on in the 1989 movie and the lady in Batman Returns who said, "He's like a frog that became a prince". -Harvey Dent was in the 1989 movie and then, he becomes Two-Face in Batman Forever. -There's a photo of Arnold Schwarzenegger on Max Shreck's photo wall in Batman Returns (foreshadowing his role as Mr. Freeze in Batman and Robin). -Joker is still the killer of Batman's parents based on Robin's comment ("Your family wasn't killed by a maniac") to which Batman responds ("Yes, they were). Further proof is how the gunman in the Wayne murders flashback in Batman Forever looks just like young Joker. -Bruce's "revenge has become your whole life" speech is a subtle reference to him killing Joker and Penguin. Another reference to their deaths is a deleted scene where Two-Face calls out Batman for being a killer. -Catwoman is referenced twice ("Do I need skin tight vinyl and a whip?")("Why are all the gorgeous ones homicidal maniacs?? Is it me???") -Vicki Vale is referenced ("I haven't had much luck with women".) -When the 1997 batmobile is introduced, Alfred says, "Do try and bring this one back in one piece, sir" (referencing what happened to the 1989 batmobile and the 1995 batmobile). I think the Flash movie is doing what Avengers: Endgame did like creating alternate universes. It already created an alternate version of Man of Steel where Superman never came to earth while Supergirl arrived instead.
I think you may be over-analyzing whether it's in the same timeline a little bit too much. Besides, books that came later that tell different stories are just revisionism and retconning. This film makes it pretty clear there is a connection to the previous two. The fact that comics, decades later write something different doesn't change what actually happened 30 years ago.
That doesn't show that they're not connected or weren't intended to be. You cite the comics carrying on from Returns but not including Forever in their continuity. But that's like how Superman Returns continues from Superman II while contradicting Superman III and IV.
Awesome!!! I watched both of your reactions to Tim Burton's Batman films, and now I get to see y'all dive into the Joel Schumacher's films and the infamous Batman & Robin.
8 years actor Kevin Smith made a commentaries covering the Tim Burton/ Joel Shumacher Batman movies. In the Batman Forever commentary the part where Dick Grayson helps Batman out of the dirt would've been a much more emotional moment if Dick was a 9 year old kid.
One thing I have said since the first time I saw this movie.. When he chases Two-Face into the sewers.. the shot of Batman's face, with the flames behind him... and the music... EPIC! And if you had a problem with Batman's nipples in this movie... just wait till you see them in Batman and Robin!
When Robin accidentally crashes into the bat cave and looks up to see Alfred dramatically standing there, I was really hoping Alfred would look him in the eye and say, "Yes...I am Batman." 😂
Someone probably mentioned this already, but Joel Schumacher's vision for this movie was rather different than what we got. He wanted to go for a more psychological approach, to open Batman up and see what makes him tick. The studio got antsy about this after _Batman Returns_ and nixed most of the planned psychological aspect. I believe the opening was also recut to get to the action faster. I think the initial scene order was "open on Arkham Asylum where it's discovered Two-Face has escaped, then the scene with Bruce Wayne meeting Edward Nygma, seeing the Batsignal, THEN suiting up and the bank robbery"
Batman Forever is my favorite Batman movie. Jim Carey Is one of the best live action Batman villians IMO. I knkw people dont like it. But i enjoy this so much, good action, comedy , suspense, and new character additions. The THEME SONG IS AMAZING AS WELL. TOP 5.
Many of us who were there back in the day when the movie first came out considered it 'bad' not cause it was necessarily objectively 'bad' (it definitely wasn't 'very good' or great'), but back in those days there werent many comic book movies, so you had to WAIT to see the most popular comic book characters come out - the first two movies really really good, especially the first one, so everyone had hopes for the third one and it was really...different. Jim Carrey was the stand out performance of course, hilarious, but overall many people thought that they got Harvey Dent wrong, and a bunch of other stuff. Your reactions were HILARIOUS btw cause i havent seen this movie in a while lol, so i do appreciate it a lot more now
Fun Fact: If u read the original Batman Forever first draft you're know everything from the final film was re-edit and some scenes were left out like the giant bat y'all saw coming at the Riddler, it was a whole sub-plot which was connected to the black book but WB cut it cause it was too dark but it's still online with extra deleted scenes. And the reason Val Kilmer Batman doesn't kill cause in Bob Kane and Bill Finger first run in Batman debut he did and when Robin appear he stopped killing and that's why Keaton Batman killed in the first two Batman movies.
Honestly, I think this movie is underrated. It gets a lot of flack from comic book movie fans, but I really enjoyed it. With the exception of the bat-nipples, I thought it had a good balance of light-hearted cheekiness + darkness. Yes, in hindsight, Two-Face was not an accurate representation, but if you can get over that and just see him as an original villain, then the movie still works well. I thought Chris O'Donnell was a great Robin. At the time, I bought the comic book that was based on this movie. I still remember how pleasantly shocked I was Nicole Kidman was in this movie. I love her!
@@nsasupporter7557 I loved the movie when it came out and even saw it multiple times in theaters and got the comic book right away for it. I do not know what the box office take of it was at the time. I did not follow box office numbers at all back then like I do now. But, I do vaguely remember even back then, there were complaints that it was too comical at times (at least compared to how darker Batman Returns was) and some fans hated Tommy Lee Jone's portrayal. Just like now, people loved Jone's acting, but not how Two-Face was portrayed. No doubt, though, the movie was more loved back then than it is now. I guess people going back and watching this now with a modern comic book movie mentality, will inevitably try to compare it to now. I do remember all the flack the movie got even back then over the bat-nipples. LOL, it's actually interesting to me the bat-nipples got a lot of hate, but hardly anybody seemed to have much of a problem with the bat-butt. You know how divisive we comic book movie fans can be with just about everything, LOL! If comic book movie fans can complain about something in a movie, they will find it, LOL! I also remember Batman Returns got a lot of flack from some fans. If anything, it seems Batman Returns got a lot more love over the years since it came out and Batman Forever got more hate over the years since it came out.
@@nsasupporter7557 -- It was reasonably successful at the box office, it had a lot of marketing behind it, but it wasn't a critical success either. It was not highly regarded by critics, like the first two films were.
Agreed. He is a fantastic actor, with some iconic roles, but man, he was doing a bad Jack Nicholson Joker in this film. There wasn't anything to distinguish him as a character.
Kilmer playing as Batman came across as mixed. At least that is what the reaction I got as a kid when I saw this movie. People wanted Keaton back but people from what I observed were willing to give Kilmer a chance seeing how he was an amazing actor coming off the success of Tombstone (1993). He shown everyone that he was amazing actor and could play a serious character with grit. Plus, he was in way better shape then Keaton and was taller then him. He basically had the Batman body type and height during the 90s era of the character. Also, add in that he did most of fight scenes from what I heard and what Joel the director said. He got credit for doing that including a heavy rubber suit as way. Last, take into account that Kilmer was a said Batman fan and enjoyed the comics. He would have fights with the director over the tone of the film and wanted to do right by the fans and the source material. Batman Forever would have done better had it kept a serious tone or piggy back off the tone that the Batman Animated Series had. I understand why WB wanted to distant themselves from Burton tone but they could have at least kept the serious tone to it. If you ask me, Kilmer was the perfect replacement for Keaton as Batman. He just got massively screwed off with the cartoonish tone of this movie and script. Imagine if this movie had the same tone and touch that Nolan gave to his Batman movies? Yeah this movie would have been off the chart and could have been the Batman Beings of the 90s at least. Sadly never happened and Kilmer ended up walking away from the Batman movie series. A smart move on his part after what is shown in Batman and Robin (1997)
This film is uneven (and some of the best scenes ended up on the cutting room floor--you may want to look them up on RUclips), but it is the logical progression if you're trying to adapt the earliest Batman comics faithfully: - In his first year of stories in Detective Comics (1939-1940), Batman fought a mix of gangsters, eccentric madmen, and truly monstrous villains straight out of a 1930s horror movie. In that time, Batman was rather cavalier about killing his enemies, feeling that it was justified at times. - At the start of his second year (1940-1941), he took in Dick Grayson, and he suddenly had a shift in character: he grew to disdain killing and soon gave it up altogether. He allied himself with the police rather than acting as a solo vigilante. And the villains became more colorful and over-the-top. In other words, the first three Batman movies follow his classic character arc in the Golden Age of comics. It's his journey from being an antihero driven by vengeance to a superhero driven by justice. (That might sound familiar to anyone who has watched the most recent Batman movie!) And it illustrates the oft-said sentiment that Batman needs a Robin. Without a sidekick to mentor, Bruce Wayne lacks the ability to rein himself in and be a true hero rather than a Dirty Harry. ...Oh, and this movie had deathtraps, just like the classic comics. That's a big plus.
I watched that movie in theatre when I was a teenager. Cant wait to see both of ur reaction for next batman movie with arnold schwarzenegger(ice man), and poison ivy.
Back then it kinda felt like the Terminators and Aliens movies, after the second one they did their own goofy thang and go freakin bonkers. also really funny and awesome people still discovering the batnips : P
In defense of the nipples on the bat suit … lol So I had always heard that Joel Schumacher wanted the batsuit to resemble those old Greek statues, which of course were always made with incredible physiques and had nipples on them. It’s the reason why there’s these MASSIVE statues in Gotham now. The imagery is meant to make Batman seem like an Ancient Greek god or myth, instead of a man in a suit. It’s still weird by modern standards … but regardless I don’t even notice the nipples anymore when I watch the movie. It just … doesn’t matter lol
@@trekkiejunk why would his being Gay matter at all in why he added nipples to the batsuit? Straight people have nipples too. And seeing a man’s nipples on a statue or an armor doesn’t make anyone “gay”. Sounds like you just wanted to call Joel Schumacher gay.
The fight choreography received massive criticism when this came out (I saw it in theaters). This was part of the cancer known as “‘mtv music video style fight editing” era of the 90s where you couldn’t follow what was going on with it’s unnecessary zooms, quick cuts, and capturing a 3 sec fight choreo from 7 camera angles. This style would infest other action films until the matrix (1999) ushered in a far superior era of fight choreo, borrowing much from Hong Kong cinema.
i think Jim Carrey was at times, channeling Frank Gorsham's Riddler from the 1960s Batman tv show and when he said, Batman? in an old man voice near the end, he was impersonating Lord Fog from the 60s tv show, a scottish? vilain
Jim Carrey Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls, when ace found out he had to rescue a bat and found out that Ace hates bats. and five months after Batman Forever. the Riddler is Ace Ventura 😲
For the POV of some one who never read comics but saw Addam West, Two Face, Poison Ivey, Bane, Clayface, Man Bat, Killer Crock, Mr. Scarface, Baby Doll, Scare Crow, Ras are all new faces any time you see them in any thing. I learned a lot more Bat rouges from Bruce Tim's works and also from Batman Brave and the Bold's series. and also Pig and Toad , Anarchy they came in from Bewar the Batman and cared on in to Gotham So I did go in to these knowing only the Addam West lore then got in to the Bruce Tim Stuff after this movie before the next one. Which Bruce Tim was the origin for Harley Quin and a few others. So when you see her in live action, that's an adaptation.
While Tim Burtons Batman centered on the Dark Gothic theme tailor for Burtons style, Director Joel Schumachers Batman Forever was actually a cinematic take on the Batman 60's Televisions series. Batman/Bruce wayne played by Val Kilmer remained much on the same accord as Michael Keatons interpretation of the characters, but placed in a more cartoonish world. This direction completely through viewers off as they were akin to the prior Dark Gothic style. This mis direction continued with the next film Batman and Robin which sunk the film franchise, until Christopher Nolan took a more realistic approach to the character, creating a crime drama rather than just a superhero movie.
Mind-blowing fact - Tommy Lee Jones who played for Two-Face and Jim Carrey who played for Edward Nygma, Riddler, both of them did not get along. Jim Carrey was actually trying to be a gentleman and trying to be funny, Tommy Lee Jones was getting annoyed by him it got to the point where he became frustrated by Jim Carrey. During the Batman Forever premiere Jim Carrey said "Working with Tommy Lee Jones kinda like training a German Shepherd for the police".
Tommy Lee Jones apparently HATED working with Jim Carrey on this; their personalities clashed badly. At one point Jones went up to Carrey and said something along the lines of "I cannot sanction your buffoonery."
This movie has the sexiest Batman, the thirstiest female character, and the most extra villains 😂 I was a kid at the time this movie was released, and I remember every malls were adorned with Batman stuff, especially Batman Forever merchandise. It was beautiful 😂😂😂
This movie is actually far better then its follow up Batman and Robin I consider Batman Forever a tribute to the 60s camp style comedy of batman actually a enjoyable movie
Tommy Lee Jones straight up told Jim Carrey "I Hate You" on set because everytime Jones was being funny, Jim Carrey would 1 up him. Tommy Lee hates his guts to this day.
Originally the opening scene was going to show where Harvey escaped from Arkham. Big fan of the whole series. I do like this one, came out when I was a young teen. Do wish Burton & Keaton came back but WB as you know now wasn’t happy with Burton & Keaton wanted more money & didn’t really care to do it without Burton. Yes they paid off Billy Dee to get out of his contract. Funny Tommy didn’t like working with Carey(originally was going to be Robin Williams as Riddler). Marlon Wayans was contracted to be Robin & since they didn’t use him he still gets checks for it lol There is a comic adaptation of a story that takes the place of this movie written by the original writers and features Billy Dee as Two-Face & Marlon as Robin
I enjoyed both Nicholson and DeVito a lot more than Carey. He mostly just felt like Jim Carey being Jim Carey more than inhabiting a character, like the two former actors did.
Jim carrey stole this movie, I think he should of been joker in this film with that crazy comedic energy he brought, imagine that energy pumped into the joker character, still though Jim killed it as Riddler. It’s still one of my favourite depictions of the riddler ❤
Great video you two! Hugeee batman fan & loved seeing your reactions of these films for the first time (or just been yrs) For continuitys sake please do a Batman and Robin review. I’d really like to see if you enjoyed it or not. So many skeptics out there. Its weak but not as bad as everyone portrays it to be. Thank you
To let you guys know that Robin Williams was going to be in it as the Riddler if Michael Keaton stayed on board but that was if Keaton stay. But yeah, originally it was going to have Robin Williams as the Riddler. And we're going to have Marlon Wayans as Robin
"She is not using the pillow?" Ha HA you said that and not questioning why she was naked under the sheets lol. But seriously great reaction. I have a special place for this movie. It maybe weird as fuck but I still enjoy it. My first batman movie in the theater when I was a kid with my dad. I still love it even for it's wackiness.
I was always disappointed by Two-Face in the film. They never really play up his dual personality until the very end, and otherwise, he's just a Joker clone. Jones had so much more to give that role than what we got. This film and the next (Batman and Robin) are still "kind of" in the Burton Batverse, but also kind of not. Think of them as a very similar, but slightly different reality with a lot of parallels.
I really liked the portrayal of Harvey Two-Face in the Arkham series. The two personalities bounced off of each other in a believable way. "The only way we can survive is to get ourselves some respect." "FEAR. THAT'S HOW THEY'LL RESPECT US." "...But we should be fair. This is a place of justice, after all." "SCREW JUSTICE. KILL HER AND THEY'LL ALL FEAR US."
When the studio picked Michael Keaton, it wasn't well received because he was a goofy comedian, and not physically imposing. It's kind of like if they'd picked Tom Hanks, who also started off as a skinny comedian.
@@nsasupporter7557 Danny devito was the penguin not Johnny Depp! It's the only two with Keaton. You can take batman' forever and batman and robin all you want, I'll take Batman 89 and Batman Returns!
@nsasupporter7557 you're on crack Batman Returns is so much better then Forever. Batman Forever is so cringy Tommy Lee Jones two face and Jim carey's riddler were compete garbage basically wannabe jokers.vI'll take Batman Returns and Batman 89 anyday
I saw this in theaters I was 12 then and at that time liking comics wasn't "cool" in my age group (in 1994 I proudly wore a maximum carnage t shirt for picture day and one kid said it was childish) but i didn't care. It was cool to see Robin he had his own comic book series at that time (Tim Drake as robin) and ran from 1993-2009. I loved the Nightwing reference. Grayson become Robin in April of 1940 in Detective comics 38 and would stay as robin untill "the new Teen Titans 39" in February 1984 when he quietly quit as Robin forever. In Issue 44 of the same title in July 1984 Grayson would become Nightwing and has stayed as Nightwing since. He has even been batman himself after Bruce recovered from Bane breaking his back and for awhile after Bruce "died" in the mid 2000s
Agreed with everything you guys said. It’s definitely an imperfect but super fun movie and one of my total favs. Also- Joel Schumacher was openly gay and a bit of a rebel so there has been some discussion about his choice of making the riddler flamboyant and sexualizing Batman and robin as being a rebellious act of queer inclusion in mainstream masculine media of the 90s- And I think that’s kinda cool. The riddler is basically in love with Bruce Wayne and transforms himself into a cackling sparkly drag Queen and becomes powerful. I’ve spoken to alot of little closeted kids back in the 90s (now all adults) who point to this movie as an important moment in their early years of recognition and acceptance. This certainly was that for me, growing up. So it is a super whacky movie but I personally think Schumacher snuck in some important stuff for the lgbtqia audience too- inside of a BATMAN movie. Which is pretty dope. Anyway. Glad ya enjoyed!!
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Billy D Williams is iconic in Star Wars but I don' think he had the acting chops to play a character like Two face.
@@rickymoranjr9609 I don't know. I tried to forget that movie. lol Although there are some good parts, it was forgettable imo
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In the comics, Batman used to carry a gun and kill the criminals. It wasn't until teen sidekick Robin was introduced that he stopped carying the gun and started not killing criminals.
"Edward, please. Who is Batman?"
"BEN AFFLECK!"
"Okay, he's crazy."
This was my very first Batman movie I saw as a kid, when it was on VHS, so it still holds a very special place in my heart as a lifelong Bat-Fan.
Fun fact: Even though Harvey Dent was recast in this universe, Billy Dee Williams eventually did get to be Two-Face in The LEGO Batman Movie!
And they also continue his story right where Batman Returns leaves off in the Batman '89 comic books. Billy Dee is Two Face, Marlon Wayans would have been introduced as Robin, & Selina Kyle returns & everything. If you've never read it, I highly recommend it. It's really cool.
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Does Robin Williams get to be the Riddler in the Batman '89 comic book?
@@loudboy317 It already has enough on its plate between a story about racial tensions and gentrification in Gotham, Harvey Dent's fall, Batman and Robin becoming partners, and a returning Catwoman, there just wasn't room for the Riddler.
Trivia time: The only two actors who remained throughout all 4 of these films are Michael Gough as Alfred and Pat Hingle as CommissionerGordon.
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And Elizabeth Sanders (widowed wife of Batman creator Bob Kane) played Gossip Gertie since Batman Returns.
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She was also the reporter with no makeup on in the 1989 film.
This movie is bizarre AF but you end up appreciating it for what it is...especially after you've seen Batman & Robin.
It's better than B&R for sure, but that's hardly a compliment. Batman Forever has actually gotten less enjoyable for me with subsequent viewings.
I’d rather watch batman and robin than this mess. I hate this movie. At least it he villains in b&r aren’t bad joker rip offs and that movie isn’t as boring as this one.
"DUCK SEASON"
"RABBIT SEASON"
I appreciate it more after the woke virus infected DC Comics and Marvel!
@@joshperkins5974 Not me!
The character at 33:59 is Gossip Gerty, who also appears in the Batman & Robin. She is played by Bob Kane's wife Elizabeth Sanders Kane.
Never knew that! Thanks!
as a person who saw this in theaters as a kid, i can say the hype about this movie was great. I loved it when it came out. McDonalds even sold limited edition glass cups. of course i bought one :D
The cast, cinematography, music and production design are all stellar for this movie.
I dont know. Gotham is to flashy for me and Tommy Lee Jones plays really bad as Harvey Dent.
Drew Barrymore was at the peak yet tail end of her bad girl period. She was no longer troubled in life but most of her characters in the early 1990s were rebels and vixens. She also had a pictorial in a certain popular magazine early that year. By the end of the decade, she had wholesome young leading lady characters in a few hit movies, and then really went big with "Charlie's Angels."
People really be trashing this movie. I really enjoy Tim Burton's batman movies but this was a fresh new take and as a 12 year old kid all the way to young adulthood batman forever was the one for me. Seriously underrated batman performance.
It was a good movie back then... and now is an interesting movie with interesting topics. Batman Forever is still in my heart.
I saw it in the theater in 1997, and i can tell you this was not a good movie "back then." It wasn't as bad as the next one, but after the two Burton films, i was like, "WTF am i watching?"
@@trekkiejunk It was a good movie for me and im sure for a lot of people. It's not better than Batman 89 but i like it.
@@trekkiejunk 1995 you mean. Also it was one of the highest grossing movies of that summer or year so a lot of people loved it. I loved it as well and I still do even for the wackiness. It's not as bad as batman and Robin.
Between the dark and strange Returns and the campy and stupid Batman & Robin.
Batman Forever is a good underrated Batman movie but I still love the Burton movies better.
@@nsasupporter7557 Very true.
The most 'comic-booky' of all the movies, so much fun!
The hype for this movie was nuts. McDonald's had a commemorative glass campaign, the video game sold well, the marketing was pretty slick too. Val Kilmer (even in his current health), IN MY OPINION, is a top 3 Batman.
This movie actually has probably my favorite depiction of Gotham on the big screen. To me, it’s the perfect mash up of that 1930’s-40’s noire atmosphere with a in the near future 90’s grunge if that makes sense lol.
You are absolutely right about that description. This Gotham is what got me into neo-noir in the first place.
Keep in mind when you watch movies from the 90's that CGI was still in a transitional period. While used, it wasn't used as extensively as it is now. So, often times, when you say, "the CGI has held up well," you may be referring to practical effects, animatronics, and composite effects that were at their peak development. There was definitely some CGI in this film, but a lot more of it was practical than you probably think.
I watched this so many times as a kid, when I think of Gotham I think of this design and soundtrack
It makes him laugh that Two Face stole cell phones, but we must remember that it's a 1995 film, probably filmed in 1994, at the time cell phones were luxury items only for the rich, they were worth a fortune.
Robin's joke on the metal island is a reference to the 1960s television series with Adam West and Burt Ward: Robin always spoke like this in the series.
Ok, hold on....as someone who actually lived through the 1990's as a young adult, cell phones were NOT a "luxury item" in 1994, owned only by the rich. I got my first one in 1995, and even adjusted for inflation, it cost me a lot less than what an iPhone costs today. I got my first flip phone in 1996, and it was like $250 (about $350 in today's money). Not nearly as many people chose to purchase them as today, but they were definitely not "a luxury item only for the rich."
LOL! The nipple suit was a BIG controversy back then too. 🤣 Love that you commented on that. I haven't watched this movie since it came out. At the time, it just wasn't the "gothic" feast I was used to from Tim Burton. I thought Tommy Lee and Jim did well but it was definitely a shift for me.
Thoughtful critiques, as usual.
These kids are cute. The "holey rusted metal" joke went clear over their heads. Lol.
Batman Forever was the first Batman movie I saw in a theater. I remember it so vividly. I'll admit that I love this movie probably more than I should. I remember in the early days of the internet, I read about 40 minutes of footage that would have completely changed the film and I always wanted to see it. When the Blu ray came out, I finally got to see them and it was true. Recently I read that Kevin Smith had seen the infamous "Schumacher cut" and I'm still dying to see it. And I'm not gonna lie...the lighting in this movie is pretty epic lol
As for our old friend Billy Dee Williams, perhaps if Tim Burton had directed and Robin Williams had been cast the Riddler, Billy would have fit right in.
Most glamorous Batman movie around
As infamous as the bat-nipples are today, at the time the idea was to create a suit that reflected human anatomy more. Thus they modeled the suits on Greek and Roman statues.
At the time, there was a LOT of talk about how dumb it was. I remember, because i lived through it. And let's be real...Schumacher had a lot of homo-eroticism in the film, because...well, he's gay. And i say this as a queer person myself. But the nipples and the tight asses (and the close-up shots of both) all are intentionally erotic.
That, and Joel Schumacher was known for being a flamboyant filmmaker and wanted to have homoerotic undertones with the costume designs and garish colors.
This takes me back to the movie trailers in’95. Very exciting for a 9yr old boy back then. I miss those days
Fun Fact: The reporter with the glasses at the party is the wife of Batman co-creator Bob Kane. 🦇
I'm so glad you referred to him as the co-creator. It took forever for Bill Finger to get any credit, especially considering his contribution to everything Batman is arguably bigger than Kane's.
@@trekkiejunk Same thing could be said about Dikto to Lee. Dkito created most of the characters.
It's crazy to think that this movie was supposed to dive into the psyche of Val's Bruce Wayne and I would've loved that. But I love this movie still
Fun reaction! I think you both would have a blast with the original 1966 movie.
I have such a soft spot for this movie as it was my first exposure to Batman in any medium. I love Keaton Bats the best but Val Kilmer did a commendable job trying to do an earnest portrayal of Batman/Bruce Wayne.
Really hoping you guys finish off the Bat-Anthology with Batman & Robin. I think you guys will enjoy the ridiculousness punched up to a 100.
Can't wait for your reaction to the next one with George and Arnie😬🦇
God help them I think they’ll need therapy afterwards lol
Even the crush I had on Alicia Siverstone at the time couldn't rescue that movie.
Utter dreck.
While I think both of the villains were pretty goofy, Val Kilmer made a very good Bruce/Batman
EDIT - Also, I don't think Nicole Kidman has ever looked more beautiful than she did in this movie :)
27:36 Apparently Robin knows the ancient art of Wash-Fu! Lol🧽 🥋
Damn, man. I forgot all about how this whole movie is what it feels like to chew 5 Gum.
So just a little correction these films are not connected to the Burton verse. Last year the Burton movies had a comic books series called Batman 89 featuring a few comic issues diving into the events post Batman Returns. These comics use the likenesses of the Burton actors with Michael Keaton returning as Batman along with Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman and Billy Dee Williams as Two Face. It also features Anton Furst Gotham City from the Burton movies as well fitting with the art direction of Burton films. These comics act as the third Burton movie the film we would've gotten if Burton stayed on and was allowed to direct his idea of a sequel. They also feature a whole different Robin as well so the Burtonverse has it's own origin for Robin and Michael Keaton's Batman to the one we see in this film. So when you go into the Flash film just pretend that Forever and Batman & Robin never happened in relation to what Michael Keaton's Batman has went through.
While Batman Forever is seen is it's own timeline where events maybe happened similar to that of the Burton movies but with different actors, different depiction of Gotham, and some returning faces. Same goes with Batman & Robin which I think has nods to Batman Forever while Batman Forever has nods to Batman Returns. So yeah in the eyes of WB these films are all connected but years later in the eyes of DC the Burtonverse is it's own thing while Batman Forever and Batman & Robin exist outside of this.
I really do like this film though the art direction is amazing and Neo Gotham looks great very Art Deco mixed with Neon Vegas and alot of 1940s elements such as the retro police cars and the vehicles used by Two Faces men all giving it a very timeline Animated Series look. It does look more like Metropolis at times with all the Art Deco than Gotham but its really cool design nontheless.
This is my personal favourite versions of Gotham when they dive into the timeless look and feel something we saw in the Burton films and also the Batman Animated Series. The movie is less dark as well going for a more campy feel but to the background of a more gothic Gotham City than the Sunny West Coast setting depicted in the 1966 Batman Adam West show. Would've loved more of a mix of darkness meets camp but it's fun to re-watch.
I'd say that the Schumacher films are just as much a part of the Burtonverse as the Batman '89 comics are, but it's kinda like the relationship between, say, Halloween II and Halloween 2018: two stories that are in the same fictional universe but not in the exact same timeline. Batman Forever is a sequel to the first two movies, but it is not canon in the universe of the B89 comics or, presumably, the new Flash movie.
I consider Batman Forever connected to the previous two films, making it a trilogy. Seeing as how when Robin says "your family wasn't killed by a maniac." Bruce replies, "yes, they were." That's a reference to the Joker, obviously. Has the same Alfred. Same Gordon. Chase Meridian makes a to Catwoman when she says reference to Catwoman. Plus Burton was a producer. Least that's my view on it.
Actually, these movies ARE connected to the Burton verse based on the following:
-Same Alfred
-Same Gordon
-The woman who played Gossip Gerty in the Schumacher films is also the reporter with no makeup on in the 1989 movie and the lady in Batman Returns who said, "He's like a frog that became a prince".
-Harvey Dent was in the 1989 movie and then, he becomes Two-Face in Batman Forever.
-There's a photo of Arnold Schwarzenegger on Max Shreck's photo wall in Batman Returns (foreshadowing his role as Mr. Freeze in Batman and Robin).
-Joker is still the killer of Batman's parents based on Robin's comment ("Your family wasn't killed by a maniac") to which Batman responds ("Yes, they were).
Further proof is how the gunman in the Wayne murders flashback in Batman Forever looks just like young Joker.
-Bruce's "revenge has become your whole life" speech is a subtle reference to him killing Joker and Penguin. Another reference to their deaths is a deleted scene where Two-Face calls out Batman for being a killer.
-Catwoman is referenced twice ("Do I need skin tight vinyl and a whip?")("Why are all the gorgeous ones homicidal maniacs?? Is it me???")
-Vicki Vale is referenced ("I haven't had much luck with women".)
-When the 1997 batmobile is introduced, Alfred says, "Do try and bring this one back in one piece, sir" (referencing what happened to the 1989 batmobile and the 1995 batmobile).
I think the Flash movie is doing what Avengers: Endgame did like creating alternate universes. It already created an alternate version of Man of Steel where Superman never came to earth while Supergirl arrived instead.
I think you may be over-analyzing whether it's in the same timeline a little bit too much. Besides, books that came later that tell different stories are just revisionism and retconning. This film makes it pretty clear there is a connection to the previous two. The fact that comics, decades later write something different doesn't change what actually happened 30 years ago.
That doesn't show that they're not connected or weren't intended to be. You cite the comics carrying on from Returns but not including Forever in their continuity. But that's like how Superman Returns continues from Superman II while contradicting Superman III and IV.
This was the funniest film of the series! Batman and Robin next plz!!!
32:25 - That is the BEST reaction and response I've ever seen for that moment 🤣🤣🤣
Awesome!!! I watched both of your reactions to Tim Burton's Batman films, and now I get to see y'all dive into the Joel Schumacher's films and the infamous Batman & Robin.
Woah unexpected reaction! 🦇
Used to own the BF Soundtrack! 💿
U2, Seal, Offspring... great ost
8 years actor Kevin Smith made a commentaries covering the Tim Burton/ Joel Shumacher Batman movies. In the Batman Forever commentary the part where Dick Grayson helps Batman out of the dirt would've been a much more emotional moment if Dick was a 9 year old kid.
His commentaries on the batman movies are also hilarious 😂
9 years old?
One thing I have said since the first time I saw this movie.. When he chases Two-Face into the sewers.. the shot of Batman's face, with the flames behind him... and the music... EPIC!
And if you had a problem with Batman's nipples in this movie... just wait till you see them in Batman and Robin!
When Robin accidentally crashes into the bat cave and looks up to see Alfred dramatically standing there, I was really hoping Alfred would look him in the eye and say, "Yes...I am Batman." 😂
"His suit has nipples?" - Perfectly sums up the Schumacher era of Batman.
Two-Face’s costume looks like how he would’ve been in the 1960s Batman show.
They need a code for the Batmobile! " Sir, Master Dick has taken the B.M.!" LOL
I love this movie, it's batshit insane 😅
Someone probably mentioned this already, but Joel Schumacher's vision for this movie was rather different than what we got. He wanted to go for a more psychological approach, to open Batman up and see what makes him tick. The studio got antsy about this after _Batman Returns_ and nixed most of the planned psychological aspect.
I believe the opening was also recut to get to the action faster. I think the initial scene order was "open on Arkham Asylum where it's discovered Two-Face has escaped, then the scene with Bruce Wayne meeting Edward Nygma, seeing the Batsignal, THEN suiting up and the bank robbery"
(At 6:35) except it's actually "weighing" him down, because believe it or not that suit is actually… heavy.
Batman Forever is my favorite Batman movie. Jim Carey Is one of the best live action Batman villians IMO. I knkw people dont like it. But i enjoy this so much, good action, comedy , suspense, and new character additions. The THEME SONG IS AMAZING AS WELL. TOP 5.
Many of us who were there back in the day when the movie first came out considered it 'bad' not cause it was necessarily objectively 'bad' (it definitely wasn't 'very good' or great'), but back in those days there werent many comic book movies, so you had to WAIT to see the most popular comic book characters come out - the first two movies really really good, especially the first one, so everyone had hopes for the third one and it was really...different. Jim Carrey was the stand out performance of course, hilarious, but overall many people thought that they got Harvey Dent wrong, and a bunch of other stuff. Your reactions were HILARIOUS btw cause i havent seen this movie in a while lol, so i do appreciate it a lot more now
Robin was glad Two-Face was gone and his family can rest.
Fun Fact: If u read the original Batman Forever first draft you're know everything from the final film was re-edit and some scenes were left out like the giant bat y'all saw coming at the Riddler, it was a whole sub-plot which was connected to the black book but WB cut it cause it was too dark but it's still online with extra deleted scenes. And the reason Val Kilmer Batman doesn't kill cause in Bob Kane and Bill Finger first run in Batman debut he did and when Robin appear he stopped killing and that's why Keaton Batman killed in the first two Batman movies.
Honestly, I think this movie is underrated. It gets a lot of flack from comic book movie fans, but I really enjoyed it. With the exception of the bat-nipples, I thought it had a good balance of light-hearted cheekiness + darkness. Yes, in hindsight, Two-Face was not an accurate representation, but if you can get over that and just see him as an original villain, then the movie still works well. I thought Chris O'Donnell was a great Robin. At the time, I bought the comic book that was based on this movie. I still remember how pleasantly shocked I was Nicole Kidman was in this movie. I love her!
@@nsasupporter7557 I loved the movie when it came out and even saw it multiple times in theaters and got the comic book right away for it. I do not know what the box office take of it was at the time. I did not follow box office numbers at all back then like I do now. But, I do vaguely remember even back then, there were complaints that it was too comical at times (at least compared to how darker Batman Returns was) and some fans hated Tommy Lee Jone's portrayal. Just like now, people loved Jone's acting, but not how Two-Face was portrayed. No doubt, though, the movie was more loved back then than it is now. I guess people going back and watching this now with a modern comic book movie mentality, will inevitably try to compare it to now. I do remember all the flack the movie got even back then over the bat-nipples. LOL, it's actually interesting to me the bat-nipples got a lot of hate, but hardly anybody seemed to have much of a problem with the bat-butt. You know how divisive we comic book movie fans can be with just about everything, LOL! If comic book movie fans can complain about something in a movie, they will find it, LOL! I also remember Batman Returns got a lot of flack from some fans. If anything, it seems Batman Returns got a lot more love over the years since it came out and Batman Forever got more hate over the years since it came out.
@@nsasupporter7557 -- It was reasonably successful at the box office, it had a lot of marketing behind it, but it wasn't a critical success either. It was not highly regarded by critics, like the first two films were.
This is my third favorite Batman movie of all time!!!
You guys might be the first people I’ve ever seen actually like Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face 😂.
Agreed. He is a fantastic actor, with some iconic roles, but man, he was doing a bad Jack Nicholson Joker in this film. There wasn't anything to distinguish him as a character.
Kilmer playing as Batman came across as mixed. At least that is what the reaction I got as a kid when I saw this movie. People wanted Keaton back but people from what I observed were willing to give Kilmer a chance seeing how he was an amazing actor coming off the success of Tombstone (1993). He shown everyone that he was amazing actor and could play a serious character with grit. Plus, he was in way better shape then Keaton and was taller then him. He basically had the Batman body type and height during the 90s era of the character. Also, add in that he did most of fight scenes from what I heard and what Joel the director said. He got credit for doing that including a heavy rubber suit as way. Last, take into account that Kilmer was a said Batman fan and enjoyed the comics. He would have fights with the director over the tone of the film and wanted to do right by the fans and the source material.
Batman Forever would have done better had it kept a serious tone or piggy back off the tone that the Batman Animated Series had. I understand why WB wanted to distant themselves from Burton tone but they could have at least kept the serious tone to it. If you ask me, Kilmer was the perfect replacement for Keaton as Batman. He just got massively screwed off with the cartoonish tone of this movie and script. Imagine if this movie had the same tone and touch that Nolan gave to his Batman movies? Yeah this movie would have been off the chart and could have been the Batman Beings of the 90s at least. Sadly never happened and Kilmer ended up walking away from the Batman movie series. A smart move on his part after what is shown in Batman and Robin (1997)
the schumacher cut or redbook edition.
I genuinely think Batman 3 is underrated! I loved this movie when I was little.
Batman 4 shouldn't exist though I won't argue with that.
This film is uneven (and some of the best scenes ended up on the cutting room floor--you may want to look them up on RUclips), but it is the logical progression if you're trying to adapt the earliest Batman comics faithfully:
- In his first year of stories in Detective Comics (1939-1940), Batman fought a mix of gangsters, eccentric madmen, and truly monstrous villains straight out of a 1930s horror movie. In that time, Batman was rather cavalier about killing his enemies, feeling that it was justified at times.
- At the start of his second year (1940-1941), he took in Dick Grayson, and he suddenly had a shift in character: he grew to disdain killing and soon gave it up altogether. He allied himself with the police rather than acting as a solo vigilante. And the villains became more colorful and over-the-top.
In other words, the first three Batman movies follow his classic character arc in the Golden Age of comics. It's his journey from being an antihero driven by vengeance to a superhero driven by justice. (That might sound familiar to anyone who has watched the most recent Batman movie!) And it illustrates the oft-said sentiment that Batman needs a Robin. Without a sidekick to mentor, Bruce Wayne lacks the ability to rein himself in and be a true hero rather than a Dirty Harry.
...Oh, and this movie had deathtraps, just like the classic comics. That's a big plus.
I watched that movie in theatre when I was a teenager. Cant wait to see both of ur reaction for next batman movie with arnold schwarzenegger(ice man), and poison ivy.
Back then it kinda felt like the Terminators and Aliens movies, after the second one they did their own goofy thang and go freakin bonkers. also really funny and awesome people still discovering the batnips : P
The animated series of the 90s did a MUCH better origin for Robin AND Two-Face.
In defense of the nipples on the bat suit … lol
So I had always heard that Joel Schumacher wanted the batsuit to resemble those old Greek statues, which of course were always made with incredible physiques and had nipples on them. It’s the reason why there’s these MASSIVE statues in Gotham now. The imagery is meant to make Batman seem like an Ancient Greek god or myth, instead of a man in a suit.
It’s still weird by modern standards … but regardless I don’t even notice the nipples anymore when I watch the movie. It just … doesn’t matter lol
Or.....it was because Schumacher was gay. And i say this as a queer person myself. But his imagery in both movies definitely had some homo-eroticism.
@@trekkiejunk why would his being Gay matter at all in why he added nipples to the batsuit? Straight people have nipples too. And seeing a man’s nipples on a statue or an armor doesn’t make anyone “gay”. Sounds like you just wanted to call Joel Schumacher gay.
its so funny cuz the riddler and two face work so well but the actual actors couldnt stand each other on set LMAO
The fight choreography received massive criticism when this came out (I saw it in theaters). This was part of the cancer known as “‘mtv music video style fight editing” era of the 90s where you couldn’t follow what was going on with it’s unnecessary zooms, quick cuts, and capturing a 3 sec fight choreo from 7 camera angles. This style would infest other action films until the matrix (1999) ushered in a far superior era of fight choreo, borrowing much from Hong Kong cinema.
i think Jim Carrey was at times, channeling Frank Gorsham's Riddler from the 1960s Batman tv show and when he said, Batman? in an old man voice near the end, he was impersonating Lord Fog from the 60s tv show, a scottish? vilain
Jim Carrey Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls, when ace found out he had to rescue a bat and found out that Ace hates bats. and five months after Batman Forever. the Riddler is Ace Ventura 😲
Billy Dee Williams returns as Two-Face but its in an animated movie I'll leave that veg as to not spoil what one.
Great reaction 🔥💯
For the POV of some one who never read comics but saw Addam West, Two Face, Poison Ivey, Bane, Clayface, Man Bat, Killer Crock, Mr. Scarface, Baby Doll, Scare Crow, Ras are all new faces any time you see them in any thing. I learned a lot more Bat rouges from Bruce Tim's works and also from Batman Brave and the Bold's series. and also Pig and Toad , Anarchy they came in from Bewar the Batman and cared on in to Gotham So I did go in to these knowing only the Addam West lore then got in to the Bruce Tim Stuff after this movie before the next one. Which Bruce Tim was the origin for Harley Quin and a few others. So when you see her in live action, that's an adaptation.
My favorite movie as a kid
While Tim Burtons Batman centered on the Dark Gothic theme tailor for Burtons style, Director Joel Schumachers Batman Forever was actually a cinematic take on the Batman 60's Televisions series. Batman/Bruce wayne played by Val Kilmer remained much on the same accord as Michael Keatons interpretation of the characters, but placed in a more cartoonish world. This direction completely through viewers off as they were akin to the prior Dark Gothic style. This mis direction continued with the next film Batman and Robin which sunk the film franchise, until Christopher Nolan took a more realistic approach to the character, creating a crime drama rather than just a superhero movie.
Mind-blowing fact - Tommy Lee Jones who played for Two-Face and Jim Carrey who played for Edward Nygma, Riddler, both of them did not get along. Jim Carrey was actually trying to be a gentleman and trying to be funny, Tommy Lee Jones was getting annoyed by him it got to the point where he became frustrated by Jim Carrey. During the Batman Forever premiere Jim Carrey said "Working with Tommy Lee Jones kinda like training a German Shepherd for the police".
Tommy Lee Jones apparently HATED working with Jim Carrey on this; their personalities clashed badly. At one point Jones went up to Carrey and said something along the lines of "I cannot sanction your buffoonery."
37:46 Is that because he got...FIRED UP?? 😆
One of the first films to use digital stuntmen.
Jim and Tommy hated each other on set..Tommy hated how Jim played riddler they haven't work together since
This movie has the sexiest Batman, the thirstiest female character, and the most extra villains 😂 I was a kid at the time this movie was released, and I remember every malls were adorned with Batman stuff, especially Batman Forever merchandise. It was beautiful 😂😂😂
I believe that Val Kilmer played a great Batman
Batman & Robin!! The Freeze - Arnold Schwarzenegger and Poison Ivy - Uma Thurman
This movie is actually far better then its follow up Batman and Robin I consider Batman Forever a tribute to the 60s camp style comedy of batman actually a enjoyable movie
This movie brings it all bat (bad pun). I remember thinking, even as a kid, "this is bullshit!" I'm so glad you guys reacted to this...😊
Tommy Lee Jones straight up told Jim Carrey "I Hate You" on set because everytime Jones was being funny, Jim Carrey would 1 up him. Tommy Lee hates his guts to this day.
I saw this at the cinema. The best thing was the soundtrack.
Originally the opening scene was going to show where Harvey escaped from Arkham. Big fan of the whole series. I do like this one, came out when I was a young teen. Do wish Burton & Keaton came back but WB as you know now wasn’t happy with Burton & Keaton wanted more money & didn’t really care to do it without Burton. Yes they paid off Billy Dee to get out of his contract. Funny Tommy didn’t like working with Carey(originally was going to be Robin Williams as Riddler). Marlon Wayans was contracted to be Robin & since they didn’t use him he still gets checks for it lol There is a comic adaptation of a story that takes the place of this movie written by the original writers and features Billy Dee as Two-Face & Marlon as Robin
Jim Carey still holds the heavyweight belt for his portrayal of The Riddler
I enjoyed both Nicholson and DeVito a lot more than Carey. He mostly just felt like Jim Carey being Jim Carey more than inhabiting a character, like the two former actors did.
Jim carrey stole this movie, I think he should of been joker in this film with that crazy comedic energy he brought, imagine that energy pumped into the joker character, still though Jim killed it as Riddler. It’s still one of my favourite depictions of the riddler ❤
Great video you two! Hugeee batman fan & loved seeing your reactions of these films for the first time (or just been yrs) For continuitys sake please do a Batman and Robin review. I’d really like to see if you enjoyed it or not. So many skeptics out there. Its weak but not as bad as everyone portrays it to be. Thank you
You should check out Val Kilmer in The Saint.
Now that you have seen these movies you have got to watch the original Batman live action TV series. It is absolutely hilarious and worth watching.
Next Batman & Robin
Billy Dee Williams was in the 1989 Batman.
To let you guys know that Robin Williams was going to be in it as the Riddler if Michael Keaton stayed on board but that was if Keaton stay. But yeah, originally it was going to have Robin Williams as the Riddler. And we're going to have Marlon Wayans as Robin
"She is not using the pillow?" Ha HA you said that and not questioning why she was naked under the sheets lol. But seriously great reaction. I have a special place for this movie. It maybe weird as fuck but I still enjoy it. My first batman movie in the theater when I was a kid with my dad. I still love it even for it's wackiness.
I was always disappointed by Two-Face in the film. They never really play up his dual personality until the very end, and otherwise, he's just a Joker clone. Jones had so much more to give that role than what we got. This film and the next (Batman and Robin) are still "kind of" in the Burton Batverse, but also kind of not. Think of them as a very similar, but slightly different reality with a lot of parallels.
I really liked the portrayal of Harvey Two-Face in the Arkham series. The two personalities bounced off of each other in a believable way.
"The only way we can survive is to get ourselves some respect."
"FEAR. THAT'S HOW THEY'LL RESPECT US."
"...But we should be fair. This is a place of justice, after all."
"SCREW JUSTICE. KILL HER AND THEY'LL ALL FEAR US."
When the studio picked Michael Keaton, it wasn't well received because he was a goofy comedian, and not physically imposing. It's kind of like if they'd picked Tom Hanks, who also started off as a skinny comedian.
So glad you guys liked this. I LOVE Batman Forever!
@@nsasupporter7557 Returns was far better!
@@nsasupporter7557 It was also Batman film for sure, Tim Burton slant!
@@nsasupporter7557 Danny devito was the penguin not Johnny Depp! It's the only two with Keaton. You can take batman' forever and batman and robin all you want, I'll take Batman 89 and Batman Returns!
@nsasupporter7557 you're on crack Batman Returns is so much better then Forever. Batman Forever is so cringy Tommy Lee Jones two face and Jim carey's riddler were compete garbage basically wannabe jokers.vI'll take Batman Returns and Batman 89 anyday
@@johnrawlings2161Me too man Batman Forever and B&R are trash 😂 that guy must be on some heavy drugs
Chase be THIRSTY! XD
I saw this in theaters I was 12 then and at that time liking comics wasn't "cool" in my age group (in 1994 I proudly wore a maximum carnage t shirt for picture day and one kid said it was childish) but i didn't care. It was cool to see Robin he had his own comic book series at that time (Tim Drake as robin) and ran from 1993-2009. I loved the Nightwing reference. Grayson become Robin in April of 1940 in Detective comics 38 and would stay as robin untill "the new Teen Titans 39" in February 1984 when he quietly quit as Robin forever. In Issue 44 of the same title in July 1984 Grayson would become Nightwing and has stayed as Nightwing since. He has even been batman himself after Bruce recovered from Bane breaking his back and for awhile after Bruce "died" in the mid 2000s
If Burton had directed Batman 3, he had Robin Williams signed to play Riddler, but when Burton was let go, the Robin Williams thing fell through.
I know such a shame so we got this garbage instead.....
Agreed with everything you guys said. It’s definitely an imperfect but super fun movie and one of my total favs. Also- Joel Schumacher was openly gay and a bit of a rebel so there has been some discussion about his choice of making the riddler flamboyant and sexualizing Batman and robin as being a rebellious act of queer inclusion in mainstream masculine media of the 90s- And I think that’s kinda cool. The riddler is basically in love with Bruce Wayne and transforms himself into a cackling sparkly drag Queen and becomes powerful. I’ve spoken to alot of little closeted kids back in the 90s (now all adults) who point to this movie as an important moment in their early years of recognition and acceptance. This certainly was that for me, growing up. So it is a super whacky movie but I personally think Schumacher snuck in some important stuff for the lgbtqia audience too- inside of a BATMAN movie. Which is pretty dope. Anyway. Glad ya enjoyed!!
Thanks for the reaction! Sadly not many make reactions on this one.
Would love if you would make one for "Batman & Robin" as well!