Secrets of the Ledge: An Advanced Guide to TAS Ledgedash Inputs in SSBM

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @daladex
    @daladex 4 года назад +389

    every fox is about to come out of quarantine with 16 galint ledgedashes

  • @Faulheit
    @Faulheit 4 года назад +471

    can we talk about the production quality tho? its impressive how well hax writes scripts

    • @Faulheit
      @Faulheit 4 года назад +5

      @itz_me truee

    • @Zonda1996
      @Zonda1996 4 года назад +27

      Mans has been writing thesis’ on melee for a decade, so no surprise his script is so eloquent.

    • @shoutxv
      @shoutxv 4 года назад +6

      Yeah he should write porn

    • @plaguedfrost1753
      @plaguedfrost1753 4 года назад

      alhl ioa
      Yeah bitch, you like that JV5!

    • @juliosnap
      @juliosnap 4 года назад +1

      Except he mispronounces "airborne" as "airBORNE"

  • @jchunter21
    @jchunter21 4 года назад +99

    Hax do be lecturing people about this in public restrooms

  • @michaelcastelpoggi1735
    @michaelcastelpoggi1735 4 года назад +229

    This feeds a deep hunger for learning intricate things about melee. The year really is 2020

    • @shoutxv
      @shoutxv 4 года назад +3

      Negative reply

    • @MarcoDToon
      @MarcoDToon 4 года назад

      But soon it will be 20FF

    • @suntzu6122
      @suntzu6122 4 месяца назад

      Which frame does ness grab ledge?

  • @IntySSBM
    @IntySSBM 4 года назад +31

    As Aziz was explaining how it's easier to ledgedash on BF than FD, I could literally feel my ledgedash muscle memory between the two stages, and realized I've been compensating with an appropriate stick angle all this time without consciously choosing to do so. Fucking godlike video.

  • @JasonPegis
    @JasonPegis 4 года назад +88

    “Hey Hax$, what are you going to do during the pandemic?”
    His gaze rises from the CRT into the enigmatic void of this thoughts and understanding of decades of complex mechanics. He turns his head slightly to acknowledge your presence and declares,
    “Something that needs to be done.”

  • @RB92.
    @RB92. 4 года назад +81

    i cant believe that hax saved melee again

  • @sdw-hv5ko
    @sdw-hv5ko 4 года назад +227

    But before we can discuss optimal ECB selection, we need to talk about parallel universes

    • @Harry-McKenzie
      @Harry-McKenzie 4 года назад +1

      here you go ruclips.net/video/g_zHwKvdiZs/видео.html

    • @sdw-hv5ko
      @sdw-hv5ko 4 года назад +2

      @@Harry-McKenzie lmao love the vsauce reference

    • @shoutxv
      @shoutxv 4 года назад +1

      Right I keep switching dimensions where the timings are different

    • @Yamulo
      @Yamulo 4 года назад +5

      Is this a reference to the 1/2 a press m64 video?

    • @sdw-hv5ko
      @sdw-hv5ko 4 года назад +2

      @@Yamulo yah

  • @turndownforwalt
    @turndownforwalt 4 года назад +17

    This is very good content

  • @joeschmoe4376
    @joeschmoe4376 4 года назад +53

    18 minute video on ledgedashing, papa bless

  • @kilroy89
    @kilroy89 4 года назад +52

    Reminds me of that video M2K talks about ledgedashing. He mentioned that its often easier to ledge dash after regrabing ledge first, but didnt explain why. That ECB stuff is nuts. I remember someone made. Video recently about Cpt falcon various colors having different ECB values

    • @benjensen7251
      @benjensen7251 4 года назад +11

      Yeah, I remember that! Melee is nuts lol.
      It was AsumSaus's "High Tier Oddities" in case anyone is curious: ruclips.net/video/O_yy9y25pOE/видео.html

  • @trilokshahi9361
    @trilokshahi9361 4 года назад +91

    I remember getting this lecture in person lmao.

    • @pippincovington1348
      @pippincovington1348 4 года назад +37

      How did u hide your erection?

    • @Nitro1396
      @Nitro1396 4 года назад +19

      Pippin Covington He was supposed to hide it???

  • @saatvikpalli7958
    @saatvikpalli7958 4 года назад +41

    It's insane, even after almost 20 years, that we're still finding more.

    • @charlona8173
      @charlona8173 4 года назад +10

      This has been known for some years now, that’s why most top fox players refresh their Ecb on the ledge before ledgedashing ;)

  • @23kl104
    @23kl104 4 года назад +25

    I don't even play melee.. but I love hearing a nerd talk thoroughly about his investigations

    • @Project1182
      @Project1182 4 года назад +9

      If you even have the slightest bit of interest in playing this game go for it. I just started playing like a year ago and it's everything i thought it would be. Wish i started sooner.

    • @shoutxv
      @shoutxv 4 года назад

      This is beyond little you and I my small friend this is greater than all of us and now that you're in theirs no going back

    • @23kl104
      @23kl104 4 года назад +2

      @@Project1182 I do, however for the moment I enjoy just being a spectator :)

    • @Rael0505
      @Rael0505 4 года назад

      @@Project1182 I started a year ago too. It's amazing how much I've learned in one year! Set up netplay and play people!

    • @NastyKugogo
      @NastyKugogo 3 года назад +1

      @@Project1182 right now learnong melee is a lot easier and faster

  • @GimR
    @GimR 4 года назад +3

    This video is sick!

  • @Rom0.5
    @Rom0.5 4 года назад +1

    I love how Melee competition is so similar to speedrunning in its mindset. The idea of using this in a 1v1 is actually nuts, we tend to forget it as we are almost used to that kind of dedication and incredible level from the players but man that's incredible.
    Great content, I'm blown away by the quality of your content.

  • @EvilApple567
    @EvilApple567 4 года назад +2

    The pacing in this is better than previous vids, thanks for apparently taking feedback on that.
    Also just a side note: if you use back to drop from ledge for ledgedashes with Fox and are trying to get your best ECB with double jump to ledge, on FD if you use a full back input you'll get a Doraki walljump and probably die.

  • @kneo12
    @kneo12 10 месяцев назад

    No matter what happens to you and your ability to play in tournament these contruibutions and videos will always be greatly appreciated. So focus on this kind of contact and just forget Leffen even exists.

  • @drakoz254
    @drakoz254 4 года назад +2

    This is an unbelievably well-made video. Clear, consise, complete. Keep it up Hax!

  • @kumotx6175
    @kumotx6175 4 года назад +5

    the quality of this video is insane. melee is so sick.

  • @thomaskeyser294
    @thomaskeyser294 4 года назад +10

    I wish anyone and everyone who thinks melee is a "joke" of a fighting game would watch videos like this to see how hard melee players work and optimize their game, and see how intricate it really is

  • @scarl2t
    @scarl2t 4 года назад +1

    I love Hax's voice. I like to rewatch these videos whenever im stressed

  • @herbmaaster
    @herbmaaster 4 года назад +34

    man where's your running playlist? i remember listening to it on a car ride, it had sonic adventure 2 battle tracks on there, so sick

  • @DelayedLaunch
    @DelayedLaunch 11 месяцев назад

    I gotta give this video credit. I could not ledgedash with Fox whatsoever-- but after watching this video, and a week or so of practice, I’ve been utilizing GALINT consistently in real matches and it feels so good.

  • @jehutyinp
    @jehutyinp 4 года назад +3

    extremely descriptive and precise with what your talking about i love it! keep it up

  • @dmh111
    @dmh111 3 года назад +2

    11:40 hax calls fox box

  • @dbdabomba
    @dbdabomba 4 года назад +34

    Hey just a heads up you’ll probably want to EQ your vocal audio to lower the high end frequencies, since they’re pretty noticeable. In particular, your “s” and “t” sounds are really loud. Great video otherwise keep up the good work!

    • @mjl167
      @mjl167 4 года назад +1

      agreed. itd be easy to do with audacity. Hax has big nuts you can tell by his voice

  • @kitkat9716
    @kitkat9716 4 года назад +4

    I love ur content as always
    Also the production value got better! Damn

  • @killaforchicken
    @killaforchicken 4 года назад

    i randomly came across this video and i was like, wow. this guy delivers his content in an extremely concise and easy to understand manner. then i looked at the uploader and i was like, "ohhhhhh, no wonder"

  • @charliethechevilguy
    @charliethechevilguy 4 года назад +2

    Hax$ you the gosh darn man and im looking forward to the day when you are best in the world

  • @srpaz8292
    @srpaz8292 4 года назад +1

    We don't deserve you man, thank you so much. Amazing video.

  • @sageosaka
    @sageosaka 4 года назад +1

    This was an amazingly well put together video

  • @uvsvdu
    @uvsvdu 4 года назад +34

    did you look into using cstick back to drop from the ledge? it seems like you can get full forward jump trajectory, would that be better? i use claw to do this, gets very deep nairs onto the stage from ledge with falcon.

    • @falcoisaniceguy5191
      @falcoisaniceguy5191 4 года назад +1

      I also use c-stick back

    • @felixdoyon6546
      @felixdoyon6546 4 года назад +2

      uvsvdu i figured it’s AMAZING for scar jumping on yoshis, I get to do my wall jumps extremely high and I keep my double jump for maybe a second aerial or something

    • @DP3mo24hofosho
      @DP3mo24hofosho 4 года назад +7

      I too use claw cstick ledgedashes and was wanting more info on it. I’ve gotten into arguments before with people who think it’s inconsistent/can’t get max galint and I know for a fact max galint is a reality, and as far as consistency goes I feel like it’s very consistent

    • @riverrunsthrough8268
      @riverrunsthrough8268 4 года назад

      @@felixdoyon6546 yeah claw lets you get some really nasty and consistent scar jumps

    • @EvilApple567
      @EvilApple567 4 года назад +1

      @@riverrunsthrough8268 I don't see why claw is beneficial for scar jumps. C stick down or away should absolutely be used unless you're going for a fastfall to get very low quickly and catch them by surprise, but all of the inputs until your double jump after the 6(?) inactionable wall jump frames are done with the analog stick which gives you plenty of time to readjust your right thumb from the C stick back to the main buttons.

  • @Acryte
    @Acryte 4 года назад +17

    yo hax what was the peach ledge thing that you banned a specific coordinate for in the b0xx doc?

  • @timothydavis5575
    @timothydavis5575 4 года назад +2

    Great video and explanation Hax!

  • @BaconBurgerKing
    @BaconBurgerKing 4 года назад

    Thank you so much for this Hax. Armed with this knowledge, I can go 0-2 in bracket with higher GALINT than I ever imagined.
    In all seriousness the video drastically helped improve my ledgedash consistency and fundamental understanding, and I'm very grateful for that

  • @Rael0505
    @Rael0505 4 года назад +6

    Thanks Hax!

  • @RkeyNirun
    @RkeyNirun 4 года назад +1

    What a great video, thank you so much Hax!

  • @monkey2619
    @monkey2619 4 года назад +5

    I've watched you SD from the ledge too much to take this video seriously. (JK thank you so much!!)

  • @jeanetteustin8311
    @jeanetteustin8311 4 года назад +1

    Highly informative - beautiful graphics!

  • @bb97979
    @bb97979 4 года назад +1

    Our prophet changing Melee. One tech at a time

  • @dontmissthe_elevator
    @dontmissthe_elevator 4 года назад

    This man does not miss

  • @omurcho
    @omurcho 3 года назад

    Not even 8 minutes in and I'm already consistently ledgedashing, how the hell kind sir

  • @ethanlassey5795
    @ethanlassey5795 4 года назад +6

    Hax thank you for making this, really informative stuff and I'd hope to see more of it. But my brain is far to small and smooth for this shit

  • @amra7210
    @amra7210 4 года назад

    i always felt like I'd SD more when wavedashing to ledge and immediately ledgedashing versus refreshing invincibility before ledgedashing. looks like it was ECBs. thank you hax$

  • @TheStrvggler
    @TheStrvggler 3 года назад +1

    I personally will drop a lot of times with the c-stick, which is a slow fall. That way im already holding in towards stage for my ledgedash. This is less effective with other characters, but I play Ganon so it works well for me.

  • @bigdro5227
    @bigdro5227 4 года назад +4

    Please please please continue with this style of content, you're like Magic Scrumpy but not a tool

  • @taytertot9382
    @taytertot9382 Год назад

    Damn I didn’t consider even that tilting down didn’t produce and ff from ledge whereas my full ass smash down is always gonna produce a ff from ledge. Never wanted to learn the away from ledge method. Now I understand much more about my weak ass ledgedashes. Thank you, I’ve got some practicing to do

  • @julianlastname5730
    @julianlastname5730 4 года назад

    I cannot believe that people go this deep into this game

  • @chobitscs2
    @chobitscs2 4 года назад +3

    love you father

  • @thelaw3536
    @thelaw3536 4 года назад

    This was fantastic!

  • @jtobiasthomasrose
    @jtobiasthomasrose 4 года назад

    thanks for the vid. Now I can win all the tournaments.

  • @SL-pt1ib
    @SL-pt1ib 4 года назад

    Thank you so much, 20XX Fox God

  • @marlcoore
    @marlcoore 4 года назад +1

    Already subbed. Thank you for the information.

  • @Rintse
    @Rintse 4 года назад

    You're a legend my guy

  • @jorgerascon1212
    @jorgerascon1212 4 года назад

    Incredible content

  • @Emperorerror
    @Emperorerror 11 месяцев назад

    You mention that a fast fall can be buffered 3 frames in advance, but I think I might not understand. I'm using the frame advance in uncle punch right now, and it looks to me like (using Falco) I can fast fall on the second frame of fall, and get 4 frames of fall before catch (compared to 10 not fast falling). Doing it on the 3rd frame of fall results in 5 frames of fall. And if I do it on the first frame of fall, it does not fast fall. So it doesn't seem to me like it can be buffered.
    EDIT: I realize my misunderstanding. Buffering doesn't mean "only doing the input in previous frames," but rather, "ALSO doing the input in previous frames." If I start holding down in the first frame of fall, or even 2 frames before that while still on the stage, but then keep holding it through the second, it still works.

  • @peterlund9299
    @peterlund9299 4 года назад

    This is quality content. Please do more, Hax Fucking Money.

  • @skyninegaming
    @skyninegaming 4 года назад

    Can Falco use a ledge fall DJ to change his ECB? And if fox presses away immediate DJ FF back to ledge to refresh, can he preserve ECB that way too?

  • @katsukikubota7549
    @katsukikubota7549 4 года назад

    Sick vid.

  • @ROFL_661
    @ROFL_661 4 года назад

    My right ledge favoring brain got confused by the stick graphs for a second. And then I was like ohhhh it's the left ledge loll

  • @Emperorerror
    @Emperorerror 11 месяцев назад

    As I mention in my other comment, I see the first fast fallable frame as being frame 2 of fall (as Falco). If I fast fall on the 3rd frame, I get 5 total frames of fall, whereas if I fast fall on the 2nd, I get 4 total frames. Am I doing something wrong?
    Maybe I'm misunderstanding what it means to do an input on a frame with frame advance, though. If I say, "I press down on frame 2," to me, that means, "Paused on the 2nd frame of fall, I press down, and advance the frame." Does that mean the input occurs on the third frame?

  • @subpanda101
    @subpanda101 4 года назад +3

    How would I enable the unclepunch frame viewer? Is it available on 20xx iso?

    • @GustoFormula
      @GustoFormula 4 года назад +2

      UnclePunch refers to Training Mode made by uncle punch and it is its own mod independent of 20XX. smashboards.com/threads/training-mode-v1-1-updated-1-11-19.456449/

  • @zman4220
    @zman4220 4 года назад

    This changes a lot

  • @hasone3354
    @hasone3354 4 года назад +5

    Who will be the first fox to bust out the 16 GALINT ledgedash in tourney?

  • @n0va25000
    @n0va25000 4 года назад +1

    The only thing that changed is that now, I know exactly why I die. Great content nontheless :^)

  • @jmarvins
    @jmarvins 4 года назад +1

    Hax, did you try the different Captain Falcon skins to test whether the modified ECB of each skin affects ledgedash?

  • @averagejoessb3110
    @averagejoessb3110 4 года назад +5

    15:37 omg this part made me lol fr.

    • @Killopotamus
      @Killopotamus 4 года назад +3

      CTG_AverageJoe 11 characters baybee

    • @zipar3132
      @zipar3132 4 года назад

      The others simply don't exist.

    • @pippincovington1348
      @pippincovington1348 4 года назад

      Lol yeah shout out to everyone who mains a non-existent character 😂 mid and low tier mains rise up 😤✊

  • @genericdeveloper3966
    @genericdeveloper3966 4 года назад

    If I'm going to spend this much energy analyzing something I better get a diploma afterwards.

  • @prospeedrunner2438
    @prospeedrunner2438 4 года назад

    Hax, what angle is the white line at 7:45 ?

  • @Chrisuan
    @Chrisuan 4 года назад +5

    2/10, didn't talk about Parallel Universes
    JK, incredibly well-done video! Keep it up

  • @leavethebasket7435
    @leavethebasket7435 4 года назад

    You're a god hax

  • @gehteuchnichtsan7911
    @gehteuchnichtsan7911 4 года назад

    There will be a time where you can study melee in a e-port university. And this will be relevant course material.

  • @genuwhine6782
    @genuwhine6782 3 года назад

    So its good I learned to ledge dash/practice on yoshis nice

  • @somniad
    @somniad 4 года назад

    2:42 I hate being a Luigi main because I always get barely left off of charts like this lol

  • @tgr3423
    @tgr3423 4 года назад

    This game is fucking insane and I love it

  • @MaZe741
    @MaZe741 4 года назад +1

    the year is 20xx, mastering melee is harder than a quantum physics degree

  • @andrew9133
    @andrew9133 4 года назад

    I can never get enough in-depth melee mechanic analysis. I can only hope that Hax$ will replace Kadano

  • @sonic12344628
    @sonic12344628 4 года назад +10

    20XX haha gotem

  • @heterodoxagnostic8070
    @heterodoxagnostic8070 7 месяцев назад

    could you make a video on No Impact Lands?

  • @lilalexq22
    @lilalexq22 4 года назад

    If I could like this twice I would

  • @ShiftingShadows28
    @ShiftingShadows28 4 года назад

    I would be interested in an aerial interrupt video :D (falcon main)

  • @riseofkings4830
    @riseofkings4830 4 года назад +1

    Welcome to Melee University

  • @jdog_7599
    @jdog_7599 4 года назад

    Green falcon has a larger ECB than neutral falcon. Does this affect anything ledge dashing??? (Please I play green falcon)

  • @eddygecko3184
    @eddygecko3184 4 года назад +4

    Hey hax ur handsome

  • @LukeYoungICXC
    @LukeYoungICXC 4 года назад

    Do b0xxes ship to you asap? Like how Is the pre order thing working

  • @wolfewaffles3530
    @wolfewaffles3530 4 года назад

    What do u mean by shallow air dodge closer to the right or close to the very bottom?

    • @sel7506
      @sel7506 4 года назад

      I've the same problem xD But just type shallow angle on google image

  • @kevinwonnacott5150
    @kevinwonnacott5150 2 года назад

    This is why Melee won't die. The players are too dedicated.

  • @n0lain
    @n0lain 4 года назад

    Does firefox stalling guarantee a good ECB?

  • @lohst1672
    @lohst1672 4 года назад +1

    Will this be on the test?

  • @jdog_7599
    @jdog_7599 4 года назад

    Powerful voice

  • @williamwilliam4944
    @williamwilliam4944 4 года назад

    This game's skill ceiling is ridiculously high.

  • @zeke547
    @zeke547 4 года назад

    Does up b stall reset ecb?

  • @yelv
    @yelv 4 года назад +2

    inc

  • @matthewsommerfield7681
    @matthewsommerfield7681 4 года назад

    wat a legend

  • @E-Brightvoid
    @E-Brightvoid 2 года назад

    Forbidden knowledge

  • @Senski_
    @Senski_ 4 года назад

    BIG BRAIN

  • @ConnorRentz
    @ConnorRentz 4 года назад

    Lots of love (and a lot of time for such a quick turnaround) went into this one. Enjoy!

  • @sharsasuke01
    @sharsasuke01 4 года назад

    Hax has a voice for radio.

  • @hiX0N
    @hiX0N 3 года назад

    ”i made you a video on these in the future” hhaahhaha