Tarja is damnly special, an easter egg. As she said, in every album she sounds really different. Her voice changes so much and will keep changing. So she is not boring as most singers that keep the same voice or style singing over their entire career. She said she will be making music until her last breath so we still have so much time to enjoy her evolution. This video is just lame because is clearly looking for a fan-fight between NW's and Tarja's. You can tell that by noticing several video mistakes which tells you that it wasn't made carefully as any real value video and by looking at that 'or NOT'. So lame..
Hahaha... you Tarjaholics could only accept if someone praising her as a goddess without any mistake, while actually she is just a human with mistakes... In the otherwise, I accepted Tarja as a human, a talented singer, a great singer but still with mistakes... And that's what make her special... O yeah, for your information, I am following her for a long time till today, I have all of her albums with Nightwish also I bought songs from her solos career which I like, and they are many...
As a fan, I have to say, she has a glorious voice! But it's clear her chest voice, along with the transitions need work. It is somewhat impressive that she's learning to use a different part of her voice considering all the years of training she put into her head/opera voice. It is hard to go back and forth, but she's working it! I read a recent interview with her and she talked about how she would cry after a show if she felt she wasn't perfect vocally, but she has learned to let go and is now focused on having fun during her live shows. She is definitely having fun and experimenting with her sound more. Good for her. I've enjoyed her evolution of the years. :)
I think the way she sings the high Cs and C#s in Supremacy is intentional. Her voice got darker and when she's not singing classical she can sound a bit disconnected sometimes. But her lower range developed a lot and her mid belting too, and when she goes for a full classical sound she sounds exactly like she used to
Hmmm, depends on what she sings, her new, own material sounds quite awesome with head, chest voice or whatever, but EverDream and Phantom of the Opera do require that pure, steady and light way of singing. Tarja forever.
She sang this entire concert showing us how to Marter sing an opera aria from rock song! People made this video are far away to know about classical singers... Here the concert: ruclips.net/video/hhQYzU6gvow/видео.html
Love all versions of Tarja. You should note however that unlike her NW days Tarja does a lot of moving and jumping around these days. That affects breathing. And as for the Supremacy high note, it is just perfect with the tiny rasp. I believe that sound is what she aims for. I am sooooo enjoying the change she is incorporating these days.
I like the fact that Tarja is trying to develop a more contemporary vocal style, but I get the feeling that she needs a vocal coach to truly make the transition from classical to contemporary.
i love her new low metallic voice! hope she keeps improving it. her voice sounds much more versatile today! her operatic voice also does not suffer from her new development! her avemaria album sounds awesome.
Nice video with good examples. I'm glad you made this. I've been following her career since Nightwish, and I read a lot of comments about how her voice developed, and she keeps saying the same in interviews. I'm no expert, but I personally like her voice most the way it was in Oceanborn times. I very much dislike her chest voice. A lot of the time it sounds like simply shouting or speaking. And I think she's gotten sloppier and sloppier over the years. Maybe it's her confidence that makes her more inclined to improvise live. In theory, that's perfectly fine and it's how live music should be, but on the other hand, when a singer is "improvising" in a way that they replace a long note they should be holding for a bit with just a spoken word, it seems lazy and like they just couldn't be bothered with it - simply bad, and I wouldn't call it an improvisation at all. I've noticed she does that more and more, and another vocalist I noticed that tends to do that is Simone. In old Nightwish times, perhaps she didn't really try to improvise, but she sounded on point (at least most of the time, and of course that sometimes mistakes happen or she had been ill, and touring can be tough on the voice, so I've taken all that into account), and I find her head voice beautiful. Especially Phantom, in my opinion, should be sang in a head voice, since she can (used to be able to?) do it so beautifully (it's a different story if someone is intentionally covering it in a different technique). Also, combining the head and chest voice, like in some examples here, and transitions between the two are sometimes sounding so off, and I think she goes back and forth to much. She switches between the two five times within the same line. To me it would sound better if she'd stuck to one for a bit longer, otherwise it just sounds inconsistent, like she can't make up her mind how to sing, especially since the difference in the sound is so massive. Sometimes her high notes (Supremacy) can sound like shrieking, and her vibrato like a dragged-out howl, especially towards the end. I wonder why that is. I always thought she sounded more on point in her classical gigs. It's like she's decided no to mess about there or something. I realise this seems like a lot of criticism, but I'm not trying to bash her or anything, I just like a good discussion about music.
@@alexandracrowley3633 I ahem this also. I miss the Tarja's voice from 1998-2007. It's like she wants to sound more versitle (like say Floor) with chest voice and it doesn't work with her live vocals at all with her sounding flat, off-pitch and off-key.
Her vibrato in supremacy is definitely unnatural larnyx vibrato due to "pushing" -- and because it's not consistant (same, uniform speed throughout), it can be considered a "wobble". I replied with similar sentiments in regard to what a fan said, which was, "I much prefer the new and improved Tarja." I disagreed. Also, I do think that she's becoming a parody of herself. That Tarja that used to strive for perfection seems to no longer exist. She seems to be getting sloppier with her vocals, slurring the pitches together, just speaking words. And that "weeping technique..." I can't erase that sound from my mind -- but I wish I could. Music shouldn't be filled with uncanny weeping. It's not something I can even remotely connect with. And I agree with what you said about Simone Simons. I love her voice, I love the band, but she tends to perform less than desired live, unfortunately. I know for sure it is not because she can't, but because she doesnt want to. In truth, I miss the old Tarja -- that light lyric sound. She hasn't sounded like that in a long, long time.
@@augustjoseph629 great. You hear wobble too!) Wobble and spreading of a sound kill the music/voice. Maybe she use now chest to avoid wobble in a middle.
Sometimes singer's voices sound weak or thin, bad supported, etc because they've been touring a lot and they're exhausted AF... Even though they want so hard to sound perfect in every single gig is impossible... :-/
I saw her in Rio de Janeiro and I kept myself really concentrated on her voice and all I can say is: Her vocals are fantastic! I have never saw her in such a good shape as now! And I have been watching her live in concerts since 2004. Her pop voice is sounding amazing and her operatic voice sounds as powerful and crystal clear as before, nothing has changed! The only difference I heard is that her classical voice sounds younger! Quite strange to me now that she is 41 now.
I used to be absolutely in love with Tarja, she was one of my biggest inspirations to sing. But now I feel she has lost her way, both musically and vocally. Her timbre is still special and rare, but her technique is now neither contemporary nor classical.
@@pandoramaria2265 no es que haya perdido un poco la voz, es tan simple la explicacion: ella canta como a ella le guste y suene su voz, no obligatoriamente canta todas las canciones con voz de opera porque actualmente canto planet hell y canta mejor que en end of a era
LO-fucking-L. 1). Tuomas and Tarja MADE Nightwish. They were equal partners, and made each other successful. He needed her, she wouldn't have necessarily, needed him to be successful. She could've easily had a career as a solo Lied singer if she had wanted, she chose not to, because she loved his music so much. [She wasn't titled "The Voice of Finland" at 24 years old for nothing.] Tuomas built Nightwish's entire sound around her, because he loved her voice so much. "It's not the tree who forsakes the flower, but the flower who forsakes the tree." 2). When you're a singer in a band, and you release an album with the Band, you have shared copyright to those songs. They didn't just pop out of mid-air. She helped bring them to Life, she's guaranteed copyright to sing them Live as a solo singer (so long as they don't sound 100% the same); because they're also hers. Notice, every song has a different layout than the original. Floor's the one whose riding Tarja's coat tails more than anything.
For me Tarja IS Improving her voice unlike in the past years she cannot control smoothly her chest voice, these recent shows she could somewhat control it but still needs improvement.I'm happy that she is improving and we will be able to see that improvement in the coming albums.Long Live the Queen!
I noticed back in the nw era it seems like as her vocal quality in the albums got better, her stage performance got less pure. Back in Oceanborn she could pretty much match the studio version on stage note for note, but by the time Once came around it felt like we were barely getting it 50/50.
Good video! I think her new style is more free, so now sounds a little bad sometimes. But if you hear her singing in a classical concert she is almost always perfect! I prefer she now because is more passionate and I like more the songs she sings now! I don't mind if people doesn't like her new style; everybody is different, but it's very important for me to people respect her because she deserves that. I know her, and I'm sure that she is a very good person and artist! :)
Hay que entender que la voz cambia con la maternidad, las paredes abdominales deben recuperar su fuerza y cuando se pasa por una cesárea, los músculos deber reconstituirse y las terminales nerviosas también y así como su fortaleza. Sumen a ello los cambios hormonales. En mi caso cambió el color de la voz. Con un buen trabajo y buena técnica, la voz se mantiene bella y hasta puede crecer. Sin embargo, nunca será la misma.
i think , Tarja is singing more emotionally , because she is losing range. When your voice is stable , even in a more operatic way , your voice flow is better. She is making , obvious and very well known , tricks , to hide years of lack of mezzo opera training after leaving nightwish. For me Nightwish era , is a thing Tarja could never repeat now , and i like her as singer , but i have to be objective
I feel that's she's trying to keep up with the current trend in female-fronted symphonic metal, where vocalists (such as floor jansen, dianne van giersbergen) are able to switch between rock and operatic singing very smoothly.
I prefer actual TARJA'S voice, because she cansing popular music as metal and she can song an opera aria very well as she can sing church music. So This tarja as the tarja I love to hear!!
Old Tarja... She dances weird and most of the time her emotions seems awkward to me. But I looooove her voice in old nightwish songs. Ever dream of me is her song, not Floor's for sure
Nice vid, you make very interesting points. I think it is actually a good thing that she is shifting into other ways of singing. I thinks it contributes to her being more versatil as a metal singer and heavily improoves her vocalization and the emotion she puts in her performance. When Floor got into Nightwish one of the things I loved was her versatility, being able to sing very operatic but not using this style all the time but keeping it more natural and very emotional and then building up to it for a better effect. When I´ve shown people who don't know about Nightwish a comparisson between singers they've all prefered Flor over Tarja and sometimes (surprisingly) even Annete over Tarja entirely based on emotional conveyance and vocalization, since it becomes to put it simple "easier to digest" and to comprehend. I hold Tarja in high regards as a singer, I even have some of her solo songs in my playlists, but I've always thought she lacked some versatility and emotion in her singing and if this is the case then it is a good thing.
Thank you for this vid. This is exactly why nowadays,I can´t really hear her sing. It actually hurts me... I'm sorry if I offend anyone, it's just my opinion
Her support is almost completely lost and I see that as a biggest issue. Her voice started wobling terribly. Nothing wrong with her naturally big chest voice tho.
She's been trying to change the way she sings for a more popular approach since Century Child and I think it's gone downhill since then. She sounds good in End of an Era but much better in From Wishes to Eternity. I get why she would do that, though. Nightwish was changing it's direction to a more popular sound, as is Tarja's solo carreer. This kind of music may sound very awkward with classical technique (take Tarja's awful cover of Smells Like Teen Spirit for example). But it can be very hard for a classicaly trained singer to make this transition to pop and she is definetely struggling. Her chest voice is plain ugly and her singing now lacks a lot of control. Maybe she'll get it right someday but I think she's getting worse and worse. I can't bear to hear her singing live nowadays, unfortunately.
I was also disappointed with End of an Era. It was good, but IMO too much weird dancing, squealing and whining in her voice. I have expected something different, since her voice in From Whishes to Eternity was amazing. She progressed technically, but it didn't match with NW anymore. There are things that she have lost in her training, and things that she gained. It is her right to develop in whatever direction she wants with her technique. I personally don't like her live singing since Once album. With "new" Tarja, I don't like the sound of NW songs. But I enjoy listening to her singing new songs though, they fit her new voice. The voice that sung NW first few albums is the one that enchanted me, so... For me that was magical. From Wishes to Eternity is still the best recorded live performance of Tarja Turunen, taking in calculation the singing, stage presence, and attitude. At least for me.
@@marijanaprica7041 from the tour of End of an Era you should look for the videos of the concert in Bucarest Romania in 2004. You surely know thst Tarja was really sick on the final concert of End of an Era. This concert in Bucarest is much much better even without all the pyro. Give it a listen!
A great video with a clear, plain and honest analysis about Tarja singing skills... Thanks for this great work, despairingleonardo... _Anyway, you don't need comparing Tarja and Sharon, I believe..._
In her nw era tarja`s voice was much more operatic sounding,now idk it sounds much different the operatic vibrato is kind of absent at times,and her voice has due to aging changed quite a bit.So idk i personally prefer NW Tarja much more than the solo 1.
My Theory is that the pregancy and that she is getting older is the reason, for her vocal development. Maybe the freedom of her solo career is also a factor for this. All in all i loved Tarja back in the days between Oceanborn and Once, even though i haven't seen her live in this time, what i really would have loved. If i had a time machine if would travel to back to the End Of An Era concert and make Tarja's voice last forever. Her solo career albums have for me always the mixture of strange songs i really don't like after many listenings, but all in all she is doing well. Furthermore i think the fans should be happy that she still covers songs of Nightwish, whether we like them or not.
Too be honest, some of the old songs, like Ever Dream, I prefer the old version, but I never liked the song very much anyway. As a singer you develop and work on your voice and its ever changing, and frankly, its old songs she is just having fun with, I dont take the NW songs seriously when she sings them. If you could compare Tarja singing new songs with the voice she has now, with the one she had in NW, she couldnt do it. You also are using bootleg/amateur filmed material when there is obviously better choices to be made, its rare that she fails a tone like that in Phantom of the Opera. She failed far more often with NW then currently. I prefer the new improved Tarja, she has more flexibility and is clearly improved. You compare pretty much everything with End of an Era which clearly has backing vocals and they have worked our to get the finest details, alot that NW do, in the studio, to perfection so it doesnt sound real. While Tarja is nowdays more raw, better and has better sustainability. Sure she has misshaps, fails sometimes or pronounce words wrong? (Like that is something to consider, which you are..ridiculous.) But she has clearly improved.
I disagree. I believe her technique is far more flawed now than ever. Her voice used to smooth like butter, but dark like the night sky. Now, it's not as evenly balanced, her registers don't always mix properly, and she's pushing to get a bigger sound -- overall, she is damaging her voice. Also, it seems likes she's unnaturally depressing her larynx, which is making her voice seem exremely inauthentic. Singing classically, a lowered, relaxed larnyx can produce *very* resonant and loud sounds, without the use of extreme effort. She used to be able to do this -- End of an Era is proof. But now, it seems she is uncertain of the type of singing she wants to achieve, and her music now just lacks the listenability that was present before. It's uninspired, bland, and sometimes just obnoxious. Don't get me wrong, I believe she is a great artist, and I understand that all of these things she does are stylistic-technical changes, but she... She's lost that beautiful melodic inspiration, that music that is beautiful, painful, and powerful. Now, she's just messing around hoping someone will enjoy her music, but I don't think even she connects to it anymore. How could we?
I agree. She clearly said in an interview that she feels much more free now, free to sing in the way she want and free to express her soul and skillness
I watched her live a couple of months ago, and I was pleasantly surprised. I had seen lots of live clips of her, using those different techniques like the belting in some of the clips in this video, so I wasn't expecting her to be on the level she was with Nightwish. But I was wrong and and she didn't do any of those tricks (or if she did, they were very few and worked well), she was amazing and sang really perfectly. So no, her voice is definitely not decaying, she was perhaps just trying something different for a while.
She left Nightwish at age 13, everyone's voice tends to change. And before she was forced to use the same technique, what did you expect?
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Her voice is not decaying, she is just trying to learn contemporary and working hard on her chest voice, which is not good.An opera singer trying to learn contemporary ALWAYS have a very hard time and takes alot of years to even start singing 100% contemporary, a bad one at that.
@ She isn't an opera singer because she needs a microphone. She's a classical crossover singer who sings symphonic metal. There are plenty of classically trained singers who can sing in a so-called contempary style: Sarah Brigman, Alison Goldfrapp, Lara Fabain, etc. and they have a better and more developed chest voice than Tarja does.
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@@Rock-Metal91 Tarja is a 100% classical singer specialised in lyrical singing, which could be called ''opera'' in a more general perspective ... even if there are some differences between classical and actual opera both are actualy very similar.She does not need a microphone under circumstances that do not involved amplified electric guitars and a huge stadium.I do not know Alison enough but I know enough about Lara Fabian and Sarah to know that their chest register are far less develloped.Lara is forced to go into a whisper-ish tone with alot less power in low and middle chest, and it is even more true for Sarah... Tarja's chest (low chest, middle chest and high chest) notes are full , projected and sustained.We could also talk about the mix (Overdrive) register, which Tarja also dominates with a sustain up to Eb6.For the head voice I got to give it to Sarah tho. Classical singing involves both contemporary and the older form of singing which Tarja uses.I will not go too far on this subject since my knowledges kinda stops there.
@ Lara has a stronger more developed lower register and chest voice than Tarja (i.e. her cover of Whitney Houston's I Will Always Love You). It is more projected and has bigger volume. Tarja's while good just sounds odd to me, like it's uncontrolled and her accent (while I'm not dissing it) annoys the hell out of me. Alison Goldfrapp is the vocalist for British electronica duo Goldfrapp. She is considered a Soprano sfogato, which is essentially a Soprano voice with a Contralto tessitura. ruclips.net/video/NUelfUL0gtA/видео.html
People confuse "operatic" vocals in metal with real opera...Tarja is NOT an opera singer. If she had to sing the Queen of the Night part, she would probably fail badly
From 3:54 to 3:57, you said that she has problems holding the E6 (it's not Eb6), but what is the problem here? I think she's still good with that. Holding the 6th octave head voice is not quite easy, but she's a soprano - the highest voice of opera
Wow. After Nightwish I was worried for a while there. It seemed like she was getting bad tone. But seeing this progression she definitely improved and regained tone. And definitely an improvement to chest voice and non classical singing. And you can see she is enjoying it. You also have to remember she is getting older and these performances can be very demanding which can explain many things on her questionable tone for a little while... Especially trying to constantly stay in quality head voice. And in her straining a little more on very high and powerful notes or belts. Those are not easy things to do in Rock performances even for the well trained and young. She's doing fabulous. And her classical technique is damn near close to what it was then while gaining so much more. And in lighter performances or off stage might be the same or better
Whatever technique she utilises, its MAJIC!! Anyone could vary from day to day, how one felt, quantity of sleep, # of days consecutive singing, etc ...
At first I thought that his voice was different depending on the room, the stage, (indoor or outdoor). however, by repeating it several times and on these different albums (with Nightwish and solo) I realized that it has a particular voice that allows it to change, and depending on the songs of the music it can bring different intensities , emotions ... Personally his voice does not deteriorate, and I think the video could have shown his early evolution of his career to now
Lyrical singing still sounds awesome, if she can improve her chest, mix and "pop" voice she would be the best! It's always an issue for lyrical singers, maybe because they teach you to keep the sound" up" in the head and never go "down" to the chest, but with practice you can develope it
Tarja fans : I like how she changed and how her voice sounds different. Same Tarja fans on other singers : she sucks, she used to sing wells, its not tarja 😂
Salvador Rios Delmas i was just thinking exactly the same while scrolling through the comments. How much hate this tarjaholics have given to other female metal singers not to speak about poor Anette Olzon (who actually DID improve during her short stay in nightwish) and they can't hear that their "goddess" is actually been singing live very bad and incorrectly for a couple of years now 😔
well, you should see how nasty and belligerent people who attack Tarja can be.... i am a Tarja-holic but there is no denying how talented Floor is as well as Simone from Epica...but its plain to see that, although her stage presence is as magnificent as ever, how her vocal approach has progressively changed over the years from a fabulous mixture of classical and metallic intonation to, with a few very notable exceptions, almost pop sound on most songs and sweet,warm cuddly, but nearly nuance-free on ballads.....her recent rendition of dead boy's poem , in which she introduced a classical,nuanced touch though, was just beautiful...so if you look at it rationally some of what people say regarding the changes they observe in the Floor are justified...
@@elish142 well there you go doing the exact same thing you accuse others of doing...if thats the way you feel than fine but i am one of those Tarjaholics and love Floor, Annete and Simone as well..and i assure you there are many of like-minded fans...i however have yet to see such consensus from Floor obsessed fans...i am hoping that this is true of the other side as well....so peace...
faif full3 man, Floor was praised by most metal fans (even Tarjaholics) before she joined Nightwish. She was considered probably the best female metal vocalist because of her skills in both operatic and metal styles of singing. After Forever and Revamp were two of the best projects but never gained the traction they needed after Mark left AF and Floor burned out. Ever since she joined NW, the hate was NONSTOP from Tarjaholics, which sucks, because without Floor, we’d have a generic voice playing with Nightwish. Calling her a fat lesbian, a hog and a giant whore like I’ve seen in some videos is truly disgusting. Of course Floor’s fans are going to retaliate. There is enough room for both of them in Metal. Heck, they’re friends. Lol
I simply prefer Nightwish Tarja. But she's still great on her own career, but I like her NW era voice and technique more. She did 6th octave high notes like it was nothing but now they aren't that good. She just can't reach Eb 6 anymore. I have no problem with her chest voice, other than the darkness of it. But this is just my opinion, don't hate, respect others.
I would prefer if she would sound more uniformly, especially in notes like f4-a4 in songs like "Nemo" or "Until My Last Breath". And I hate her quacking sounds that she likes to make live, especially with "a" sound. I even haven't been listening to her during few years because of that reasons. But also I don't like her singing in early NW albums, because it sounded too unfree, as if she tried to sing as correct and classic, as possible. I think, the most perfect combination would be if she would sing a bit more accurate preserving her new freedom on the stage
Ew, we fans have been saying this for years, she's ruining her voice. It's kind of vulgar now. The old goddess is gone. That Ever dream almost made me puke.
Uff yo la verdad amo su nueva forma de cantar es bastante rockera pero a la vez siento que va con su voz de soprano también bastante oscura, además ahora canta mucho más agudo y en vivo suena genial! ♥️
She is trying to keep up with singers like Floor Jansen and Diane from Xandria, who are extremely popular nowadays due to their versatile vocals and ability to switch from operatic to other styles of singing. But it doesn't suit her, she sounds so vulgar. Her time is over, now almost every band has a classically trained singer, and there is nothing to make her special. It's kind of sad when you think that she could have been playing stadiums and arena's now with Nightwish.
i don't know what can i say... maybe she had a shock after the exit from nightwish band. but her voice is actually fine. i like that she exited from her comfort zone.
i love love Tarja and the changes that she makes, she is so powerfull and amazing and brave. But old songs from NW i would really like to hear them as originals, because if she dosn't sing them like that who will. :D
She is returning to bel canto, because she realised that verismo is damaging her voice, because the modern opera schooling teaches singers to push, to strugle, and that ruins her voices. The strong, developed chest vpice, and the lighter chest voice(head vpice) sounds better, conistent and healthy.
so, you are trying to make a "neutral" research by comparing her voice on a DVD (and one of her bests performances) with some phone videos where she wasn't at her best ? She has improved her light voice technique, she is not as operatic as she used to because everybody criticized her for being too lyrical and not having a chest pop voice ... She does it now, and everybody criticises her for not being lyrical all the time .. She is better now. And yes, she has bad times too, surprise ! she is a human! The only thing I don't like of her voice today, is that she can't mantein a high note for a lot of time like she used to ...
In my humble opinion, I would never classify Tarja as a Soprano. Her voice has a lot of amplitude, this allows her to sing in many ways, but I realize that she has more intimacy with the low and middle notes (voice center). Also her voice is very strong and even in interviews you can see that the endings of her sentences sound low. I know Tarja considers herself a Soprano, maybe she has been trained that way because she likes more this kind of voice. This happened with Soprano Kiri Te Kawana, who was originally a Mezzo-Soprano, but decided to be Soprano by choice, then went on to train to be Soprano.
I've seen them both at the same festival and Doro was top notch, while I had to literally run away and look for earplugs when tarja started screeching...
Admit, Tarja is older. That means shows exhaust her more easily (not that she's worse). Also, she moves more and changed her style. In the NW clips she always want to sing perfectly, while in her solo works she just enjoys herself. Maybe she doesn't practice that much these days. Voice also gets darker with age. And I think her operatic voice got a lot better and a lot more expressive, with perfect technique.
Elle avait une bien meilleure technique lorsqu'elle était avec Nightwish. Mais elle dégage davantage d'émotions et est enfin elle-même depuis qu'elle est en solo. Conclusion : elle devrait continuer à être elle-même mais mieux travailler sa voix.
My simple opinion: Tarja's talent has been decaying. Some well trained vocalist sometimes needs a vocal coach. Most of the examples shown above in the video doesn't seems to be a technique failure but the missused of circumstances. For example, a "weak" falsetto eb6 in a mourning emotion lyric is very powerful, but in Phantom of the Opera; since vocal mission is to enhance the inner beauty of the Phantom, a clean, ultra feminine head voice e6 is required. Again, in my opinion, Tarja needs a great coach to deeply set a vocal/emotional technique plan and to see if she can really seek out more vocal flexibility. Just my opinion... But who cares! Tarja is the pioneer of the classical and bel canto fusion in metal scene. Thanks to her there are tons of vocaly talented woman being heard in metal scene, there is even a subgenre thanks to her. She placed an important line in music history in which lead front woman bands are being admired for beauty and talent. She's like the Britney Spears of metal.
A bit to much opera voice for me , i prefer Floor Jansen ... Also when hear Tarja in Nightwish it felt like she doing her opera stuff and band playing their music as with Floor voice is more part of the thing ...
It's ironic that back in the days Tarja insisted on being an opera singer, just doing that "weird metal stuff" on the side, proudly graduated as a professional opera diva...then *go figure* proceeded to ride the wave of symphonic metal and sing in a catastrophic patchwork of styles that she's apparently still "learning" after 15 years. Floor is another thing entirely, she was always at home in the metal scene and developed steadily and consistently.
i love tarja. her low and mid belts are are impressiv. The higher ones not much. i feel like she changed her singing technique too much.but i also think her voice got more powerful and mature aswell. She just dosent have a very nice chest tone. compared to her classical voice
All of their voices degrade with time you know...all of them lol I found Chester Bennington's voice was too technically proficient and one dimensional in first albums... it was only when his voice started to degrade that it began to sound more dramatic.
I dislike a bit her chest voice when goes so heavy, dark and slowwwwww on old songs like ever dream!! Sounds ugly... It looks like she tries to imitate Diamanda Galas witch-deep voice or trying to exorcise someone haha..And with symphonic metal sounds strange... But I love her head clear voice!! She must to light up her chest voice..
See, it's really an odd stand point for me. I love that she is showing us new sides, giving new exploration. However certain songs like " EverDream " don't pair well with this new exploration. - - - I for now prefer the old style, but I'd like to hear some more of the new style once it is more fluid and within her actual means vocally.
Tarja's She currently sings because she likes to sing. And not for money, just as before. She was manipulated by Thuomas, nowadays she is free and playing with her voice, any way she wants And she is happy !.
she was not manipulated by Tuomas, on the contrary he shaped NW music to the unexpected lyrical Tarja vocals. That Tarja has been consistently trying to change her technique/style with negative results is no one's fault but hers.
Pues Tarja es buena cantante... aunque si somos realistas ya en técnica como cantante de ópera... mmmm no es la mejor... su vibrato es demasiado pesado y lento... no quiero decir que sea mala... ella ha tenido una evolución vocal y ha transformado y encontrado su sonido... cada vez se ve más cómoda y es lo importante.
I have a serious problem with the tremolo she developed. And of course low notes of Sharon would be weaker, she is a leggero soprano while Tarja’s a lyric. Also, don’t know if you’re a singer but 6th octave IS difficult and the only ones who are usually ok there are the leggero, also Tarja had a baby and after hormonal changes usually voice losses high pitches and bright sound.
I prefer the new Tarja, because she has a very powerful, unique, and genuinely worked and studied voice, something that sets her apart from most of her "competition." However I do not like her exaggerated live performances, where she rarely respects the melody, rhythm and essence of music. She is always happy while some songs are sad or, at least, serious. Basically I just dislike things she does on purpose and not for lack of ability. Although I love End Of An Era, I think her best live performance to date is Act 1 (including the best performances of Nemo, Phantom Of The Opera and Over The Hills And Far Away)
Tarja is one. Tarja is best singer in 21 century. Show me better please. I love her since NW till nowadays. Her stage moves, mood, gestures, dance, emotions, etc etc make me fall in love more and more.
Tarja is damnly special, an easter egg. As she said, in every album she sounds really different. Her voice changes so much and will keep changing. So she is not boring as most singers that keep the same voice or style singing over their entire career. She said she will be making music until her last breath so we still have so much time to enjoy her evolution. This video is just lame because is clearly looking for a fan-fight between NW's and Tarja's. You can tell that by noticing several video mistakes which tells you that it wasn't made carefully as any real value video and by looking at that 'or NOT'. So lame..
Hahaha... you Tarjaholics could only accept if someone praising her as a goddess without any mistake, while actually she is just a human with mistakes... In the otherwise, I accepted Tarja as a human, a talented singer, a great singer but still with mistakes... And that's what make her special...
O yeah, for your information, I am following her for a long time till today, I have all of her albums with Nightwish also I bought songs from her solos career which I like, and they are many...
As a fan, I have to say, she has a glorious voice! But it's clear her chest voice, along with the transitions need work. It is somewhat impressive that she's learning to use a different part of her voice considering all the years of training she put into her head/opera voice. It is hard to go back and forth, but she's working it!
I read a recent interview with her and she talked about how she would cry after a show if she felt she wasn't perfect vocally, but she has learned to let go and is now focused on having fun during her live shows. She is definitely having fun and experimenting with her sound more. Good for her. I've enjoyed her evolution of the years. :)
And she sounds amazing live as always!
I think the way she sings the high Cs and C#s in Supremacy is intentional. Her voice got darker and when she's not singing classical she can sound a bit disconnected sometimes. But her lower range developed a lot and her mid belting too, and when she goes for a full classical sound she sounds exactly like she used to
Very well said. Agree with everything.
Hmmm, depends on what she sings, her new, own material sounds quite awesome with head, chest voice or whatever, but EverDream and Phantom of the Opera do require that pure, steady and light way of singing. Tarja forever.
She sang this entire concert showing us how to Marter sing an opera aria from rock song! People made this video are far away to know about classical singers...
Here the concert:
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Love all versions of Tarja. You should note however that unlike her NW days Tarja does a lot of moving and jumping around these days. That affects breathing. And as for the Supremacy high note, it is just perfect with the tiny rasp. I believe that sound is what she aims for. I am sooooo enjoying the change she is incorporating these days.
I like the fact that Tarja is trying to develop a more contemporary vocal style, but I get the feeling that she needs a vocal coach to truly make the transition from classical to contemporary.
She had a vocal coach
i love her new low metallic voice! hope she keeps improving it. her voice sounds much more versatile today! her operatic voice also does not suffer from her new development! her avemaria album sounds awesome.
GothicDivine agree her ave María album was wonderful
Nice video with good examples. I'm glad you made this. I've been following her career since Nightwish, and I read a lot of comments about how her voice developed, and she keeps saying the same in interviews.
I'm no expert, but I personally like her voice most the way it was in Oceanborn times. I very much dislike her chest voice. A lot of the time it sounds like simply shouting or speaking. And I think she's gotten sloppier and sloppier over the years. Maybe it's her confidence that makes her more inclined to improvise live. In theory, that's perfectly fine and it's how live music should be, but on the other hand, when a singer is "improvising" in a way that they replace a long note they should be holding for a bit with just a spoken word, it seems lazy and like they just couldn't be bothered with it - simply bad, and I wouldn't call it an improvisation at all. I've noticed she does that more and more, and another vocalist I noticed that tends to do that is Simone.
In old Nightwish times, perhaps she didn't really try to improvise, but she sounded on point (at least most of the time, and of course that sometimes mistakes happen or she had been ill, and touring can be tough on the voice, so I've taken all that into account), and I find her head voice beautiful. Especially Phantom, in my opinion, should be sang in a head voice, since she can (used to be able to?) do it so beautifully (it's a different story if someone is intentionally covering it in a different technique).
Also, combining the head and chest voice, like in some examples here, and transitions between the two are sometimes sounding so off, and I think she goes back and forth to much. She switches between the two five times within the same line. To me it would sound better if she'd stuck to one for a bit longer, otherwise it just sounds inconsistent, like she can't make up her mind how to sing, especially since the difference in the sound is so massive. Sometimes her high notes (Supremacy) can sound like shrieking, and her vibrato like a dragged-out howl, especially towards the end. I wonder why that is.
I always thought she sounded more on point in her classical gigs. It's like she's decided no to mess about there or something. I realise this seems like a lot of criticism, but I'm not trying to bash her or anything, I just like a good discussion about music.
Omg atleast someone can see it.. For me it sounds horrible i get goose bumps of how its so horrible the '' technique'' shes using now
@@alexandracrowley3633 I ahem this also. I miss the Tarja's voice from 1998-2007. It's like she wants to sound more versitle (like say Floor) with chest voice and it doesn't work with her live vocals at all with her sounding flat, off-pitch and off-key.
Her vibrato in supremacy is definitely unnatural larnyx vibrato due to "pushing" -- and because it's not consistant (same, uniform speed throughout), it can be considered a "wobble".
I replied with similar sentiments in regard to what a fan said, which was, "I much prefer the new and improved Tarja." I disagreed. Also, I do think that she's becoming a parody of herself. That Tarja that used to strive for perfection seems to no longer exist. She seems to be getting sloppier with her vocals, slurring the pitches together, just speaking words. And that "weeping technique..." I can't erase that sound from my mind -- but I wish I could. Music shouldn't be filled with uncanny weeping. It's not something I can even remotely connect with.
And I agree with what you said about Simone Simons. I love her voice, I love the band, but she tends to perform less than desired live, unfortunately. I know for sure it is not because she can't, but because she doesnt want to.
In truth, I miss the old Tarja -- that light lyric sound. She hasn't sounded like that in a long, long time.
@@augustjoseph629 great. You hear wobble too!) Wobble and spreading of a sound kill the music/voice. Maybe she use now chest to avoid wobble in a middle.
Sometimes singer's voices sound weak or thin, bad supported, etc because they've been touring a lot and they're exhausted AF... Even though they want so hard to sound perfect in every single gig is impossible... :-/
Personally i love Tarja's chest voice she's so powerfull and it's good to see she has fun on stage ! She still amazing 🤘
I like the way she sang while she was in Nightwish, operatic way!!
I saw her in Rio de Janeiro and I kept myself really concentrated on her voice and all I can say is:
Her vocals are fantastic!
I have never saw her in such a good shape as now! And I have been watching her live in concerts since 2004.
Her pop voice is sounding amazing and her operatic voice sounds as powerful and crystal clear as before, nothing has changed! The only difference I heard is that her classical voice sounds younger! Quite strange to me now that she is 41 now.
I used to be absolutely in love with Tarja, she was one of my biggest inspirations to sing. But now I feel she has lost her way, both musically and vocally. Her timbre is still special and rare, but her technique is now neither contemporary nor classical.
Quizás perdió algo de voz pero ahora hace mejor uso de ella y sus composiciones son increíbles, es fantástica en todo lo que hace
Siento que cuida un poco más su vos, la. Acabo de ver en vivo para el psado octubre y suena bien
@@pandoramaria2265 no es que haya perdido un poco la voz, es tan simple la explicacion: ella canta como a ella le guste y suene su voz, no obligatoriamente canta todas las canciones con voz de opera porque actualmente canto planet hell y canta mejor que en end of a era
Tarja is still trying to ride with the popularity she has gained with the help of Nightwish
but only opera style can't be interested endlessly
LO-fucking-L. 1). Tuomas and Tarja MADE Nightwish. They were equal partners, and made each other successful. He needed her, she wouldn't have necessarily, needed him to be successful. She could've easily had a career as a solo Lied singer if she had wanted, she chose not to, because she loved his music so much. [She wasn't titled "The Voice of Finland" at 24 years old for nothing.] Tuomas built Nightwish's entire sound around her, because he loved her voice so much. "It's not the tree who forsakes the flower, but the flower who forsakes the tree." 2). When you're a singer in a band, and you release an album with the Band, you have shared copyright to those songs. They didn't just pop out of mid-air. She helped bring them to Life, she's guaranteed copyright to sing them Live as a solo singer (so long as they don't sound 100% the same); because they're also hers. Notice, every song has a different layout than the original. Floor's the one whose riding Tarja's coat tails more than anything.
For me Tarja IS Improving her voice unlike in the past years she cannot control smoothly her chest voice, these recent shows she could somewhat control it but still needs improvement.I'm happy that she is improving and we will be able to see that improvement in the coming albums.Long Live the Queen!
I noticed back in the nw era it seems like as her vocal quality in the albums got better, her stage performance got less pure. Back in Oceanborn she could pretty much match the studio version on stage note for note, but by the time Once came around it felt like we were barely getting it 50/50.
NIGHTWISH TARJA! That Phantom of the Opera performance was once-in-a-lifetime! She is making mistakes all the time now!
I like Tarja a lot, but as I love opera, I prefer the old Tarja (at the time she was at Nightwish).
Good video! I think her new style is more free, so now sounds a little bad sometimes. But if you hear her singing in a classical concert she is almost always perfect! I prefer she now because is more passionate and I like more the songs she sings now! I don't mind if people doesn't like her new style; everybody is different, but it's very important for me to people respect her because she deserves that. I know her, and I'm sure that she is a very good person and artist! :)
Hay que entender que la voz cambia con la maternidad, las paredes abdominales deben recuperar su fuerza y cuando se pasa por una cesárea, los músculos deber reconstituirse y las terminales nerviosas también y así como su fortaleza. Sumen a ello los cambios hormonales. En mi caso cambió el color de la voz. Con un buen trabajo y buena técnica, la voz se mantiene bella y hasta puede crecer. Sin embargo, nunca será la misma.
i think , Tarja is singing more emotionally , because she is losing range. When your voice is stable , even in a more operatic way , your voice flow is better. She is making , obvious and very well known , tricks , to hide years of lack of mezzo opera training after leaving nightwish. For me Nightwish era , is a thing Tarja could never repeat now , and i like her as singer , but i have to be objective
i believe Tarja does it intentionally, only watch her show in Moscow of Ave María's tour
I feel that's she's trying to keep up with the current trend in female-fronted symphonic metal, where vocalists (such as floor jansen, dianne van giersbergen) are able to switch between rock and operatic singing very smoothly.
I like NW tarja better. Specially on the life performance "from wishes to eternity"
I prefer actual TARJA'S voice, because she cansing popular music as metal and she can song an opera aria very well as she can sing church music. So This tarja as the tarja I love to hear!!
Yeah... Me too...
Old Tarja... She dances weird and most of the time her emotions seems awkward to me. But I looooove her voice in old nightwish songs. Ever dream of me is her song, not Floor's for sure
Floor sings it better. Tarja's voice is just starined now!
Nice vid, you make very interesting points. I think it is actually a good thing that she is shifting into other ways of singing. I thinks it contributes to her being more versatil as a metal singer and heavily improoves her vocalization and the emotion she puts in her performance. When Floor got into Nightwish one of the things I loved was her versatility, being able to sing very operatic but not using this style all the time but keeping it more natural and very emotional and then building up to it for a better effect. When I´ve shown people who don't know about Nightwish a comparisson between singers they've all prefered Flor over Tarja and sometimes (surprisingly) even Annete over Tarja entirely based on emotional conveyance and vocalization, since it becomes to put it simple "easier to digest" and to comprehend. I hold Tarja in high regards as a singer, I even have some of her solo songs in my playlists, but I've always thought she lacked some versatility and emotion in her singing and if this is the case then it is a good thing.
She needs to improove on her new techniques though...
Her chest voice definitely needs more training, but she has shown(House of Wax in Genelec Artist Room) she can do really well with it.
Thank you for this vid. This is exactly why nowadays,I can´t really hear her sing. It actually hurts me...
I'm sorry if I offend anyone, it's just my opinion
Her support is almost completely lost and I see that as a biggest issue. Her voice started wobling terribly. Nothing wrong with her naturally big chest voice tho.
She's been trying to change the way she sings for a more popular approach since Century Child and I think it's gone downhill since then. She sounds good in End of an Era but much better in From Wishes to Eternity. I get why she would do that, though. Nightwish was changing it's direction to a more popular sound, as is Tarja's solo carreer. This kind of music may sound very awkward with classical technique (take Tarja's awful cover of Smells Like Teen Spirit for example). But it can be very hard for a classicaly trained singer to make this transition to pop and she is definetely struggling. Her chest voice is plain ugly and her singing now lacks a lot of control. Maybe she'll get it right someday but I think she's getting worse and worse. I can't bear to hear her singing live nowadays, unfortunately.
I was also disappointed with End of an Era. It was good, but IMO too much weird dancing, squealing and whining in her voice. I have expected something different, since her voice in From Whishes to Eternity was amazing. She progressed technically, but it didn't match with NW anymore. There are things that she have lost in her training, and things that she gained. It is her right to develop in whatever direction she wants with her technique. I personally don't like her live singing since Once album. With "new" Tarja, I don't like the sound of NW songs. But I enjoy listening to her singing new songs though, they fit her new voice. The voice that sung NW first few albums is the one that enchanted me, so... For me that was magical. From Wishes to Eternity is still the best recorded live performance of Tarja Turunen, taking in calculation the singing, stage presence, and attitude. At least for me.
@@marijanaprica7041 from the tour of End of an Era you should look for the videos of the concert in Bucarest Romania in 2004. You surely know thst Tarja was really sick on the final concert of End of an Era. This concert in Bucarest is much much better even without all the pyro. Give it a listen!
A great video with a clear, plain and honest analysis about Tarja singing skills... Thanks for this great work, despairingleonardo...
_Anyway, you don't need comparing Tarja and Sharon, I believe..._
I prefer voice of end of an era!!
La mejor😍...Evolución 🌟🌟🌟🌟
In her nw era tarja`s voice was much more operatic sounding,now idk it sounds much different the operatic vibrato is kind of absent at times,and her voice has due to aging changed quite a bit.So idk i personally prefer NW Tarja much more than the solo 1.
My Theory is that the pregancy and that she is getting older is the reason, for her vocal development. Maybe the freedom of her solo career is also a factor for this. All in all i loved Tarja back in the days between Oceanborn and Once, even though i haven't seen her live in this time, what i really would have loved. If i had a time machine if would travel to back to the End Of An Era concert and make Tarja's voice last forever. Her solo career albums have for me always the mixture of strange songs i really don't like after many listenings, but all in all she is doing well. Furthermore i think the fans should be happy that she still covers songs of Nightwish, whether we like them or not.
Too be honest, some of the old songs, like Ever Dream, I prefer the old version, but I never liked the song very much anyway.
As a singer you develop and work on your voice and its ever changing, and frankly, its old songs she is just having fun with, I dont take the NW songs seriously when she sings them. If you could compare Tarja singing new songs with the voice she has now, with the one she had in NW, she couldnt do it.
You also are using bootleg/amateur filmed material when there is obviously better choices to be made, its rare that she fails a tone like that in Phantom of the Opera. She failed far more often with NW then currently.
I prefer the new improved Tarja, she has more flexibility and is clearly improved. You compare pretty much everything with End of an Era which clearly has backing vocals and they have worked our to get the finest details, alot that NW do, in the studio, to perfection so it doesnt sound real. While Tarja is nowdays more raw, better and has better sustainability. Sure she has misshaps, fails sometimes or pronounce words wrong? (Like that is something to consider, which you are..ridiculous.) But she has clearly improved.
I disagree. I believe her technique is far more flawed now than ever. Her voice used to smooth like butter, but dark like the night sky. Now, it's not as evenly balanced, her registers don't always mix properly, and she's pushing to get a bigger sound -- overall, she is damaging her voice. Also, it seems likes she's unnaturally depressing her larynx, which is making her voice seem exremely inauthentic. Singing classically, a lowered, relaxed larnyx can produce *very* resonant and loud sounds, without the use of extreme effort. She used to be able to do this -- End of an Era is proof.
But now, it seems she is uncertain of the type of singing she wants to achieve, and her music now just lacks the listenability that was present before. It's uninspired, bland, and sometimes just obnoxious.
Don't get me wrong, I believe she is a great artist, and I understand that all of these things she does are stylistic-technical changes, but she... She's lost that beautiful melodic inspiration, that music that is beautiful, painful, and powerful. Now, she's just messing around hoping someone will enjoy her music, but I don't think even she connects to it anymore. How could we?
I agree. She clearly said in an interview that she feels much more free now, free to sing in the way she want and free to express her soul and skillness
She used to be a good singer but now I feel bad for her vocal cords...
The new tarja. Her operatic voice is as powerful as before, but now she has her amazing chest voice improved also!
Denise Lisboa no she doesn’t, it’s awful. Clean out your ears
I watched her live a couple of months ago, and I was pleasantly surprised. I had seen lots of live clips of her, using those different techniques like the belting in some of the clips in this video, so I wasn't expecting her to be on the level she was with Nightwish. But I was wrong and and she didn't do any of those tricks (or if she did, they were very few and worked well), she was amazing and sang really perfectly. So no, her voice is definitely not decaying, she was perhaps just trying something different for a while.
Nightwish era
she try to do something cool, but she looks weird and awkward. Gurl be yourself
Yep, noticed this as well, not nearly as good as she was when she was in Nightwish.
È divina meriterebbe un successo planetario. La voce è quella di un soprano
All people saying it's "improved" are a deaf ones
New Tarja, I like how she is constantly changing her style.
This is gold to support my opinion: whatever fans say, Tarja's quality voice is decaying.
She left Nightwish at age 13, everyone's voice tends to change. And before she was forced to use the same technique, what did you expect?
Her voice is not decaying, she is just trying to learn contemporary and working hard on her chest voice, which is not good.An opera singer trying to learn contemporary ALWAYS have a very hard time and takes alot of years to even start singing 100% contemporary, a bad one at that.
@ She isn't an opera singer because she needs a microphone. She's a classical crossover singer who sings symphonic metal. There are plenty of classically trained singers who can sing in a so-called contempary style: Sarah Brigman, Alison Goldfrapp, Lara Fabain, etc. and they have a better and more developed chest voice than Tarja does.
@@Rock-Metal91 Tarja is a 100% classical singer specialised in lyrical singing, which could be called ''opera'' in a more general perspective ... even if there are some differences between classical and actual opera both are actualy very similar.She does not need a microphone under circumstances that do not involved amplified electric guitars and a huge stadium.I do not know Alison enough but I know enough about Lara Fabian and Sarah to know that their chest register are far less develloped.Lara is forced to go into a whisper-ish tone with alot less power in low and middle chest, and it is even more true for Sarah... Tarja's chest (low chest, middle chest and high chest) notes are full , projected and sustained.We could also talk about the mix (Overdrive) register, which Tarja also dominates with a sustain up to Eb6.For the head voice I got to give it to Sarah tho.
Classical singing involves both contemporary and the older form of singing which Tarja uses.I will not go too far on this subject since my knowledges kinda stops there.
@ Lara has a stronger more developed lower register and chest voice than Tarja (i.e. her cover of Whitney Houston's I Will Always Love You). It is more projected and has bigger volume. Tarja's while good just sounds odd to me, like it's uncontrolled and her accent (while I'm not dissing it) annoys the hell out of me.
Alison Goldfrapp is the vocalist for British electronica duo Goldfrapp. She is considered a Soprano sfogato, which is essentially a Soprano voice with a Contralto tessitura.
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Her new voice might be good for opera but it totally sucks for rock tunes! Give me back the old Tarja!
It’s not good for opera. There are a lot of mistakes and bad sound :(
People confuse "operatic" vocals in metal with real opera...Tarja is NOT an opera singer. If she had to sing the Queen of the Night part, she would probably fail badly
From 3:54 to 3:57, you said that she has problems holding the E6 (it's not Eb6), but what is the problem here?
I think she's still good with that. Holding the 6th octave head voice is not quite easy, but she's a soprano - the highest voice of opera
Wow. After Nightwish I was worried for a while there. It seemed like she was getting bad tone.
But seeing this progression she definitely improved and regained tone.
And definitely an improvement to chest voice and non classical singing. And you can see she is enjoying it.
You also have to remember she is getting older and these performances can be very demanding which can explain many things on her questionable tone for a little while... Especially trying to constantly stay in quality head voice. And in her straining a little more on very high and powerful notes or belts. Those are not easy things to do in Rock performances even for the well trained and young.
She's doing fabulous. And her classical technique is damn near close to what it was then while gaining so much more.
And in lighter performances or off stage might be the same or better
Tarja told Tuomas put pressure sing so difficult songs. No she is free sing easy songs, so talent dying.
Mika Pirinen talent dying???? Well you clearly don't know what you are talking about at all
Whatever technique she utilises, its MAJIC!! Anyone could vary from day to day, how one felt, quantity of sleep, # of days consecutive singing, etc ...
Tarja before and Tarja now I always like both, she is always my angel in my mind
Tarja Turunen from 2005 was the best of the best!!
At first I thought that his voice was different depending on the room, the stage, (indoor or outdoor). however, by repeating it several times and on these different albums (with Nightwish and solo) I realized that it has a particular voice that allows it to change, and depending on the songs of the music it can bring different intensities , emotions ... Personally his voice does not deteriorate, and I think the video could have shown his early evolution of his career to now
4:31 oh no 💀
I prefer her head voice. That was her signature sound :)
Lyrical singing still sounds awesome, if she can improve her chest, mix and "pop" voice she would be the best! It's always an issue for lyrical singers, maybe because they teach you to keep the sound" up" in the head and never go "down" to the chest, but with practice you can develope it
She sounded better in 2005........
If you want to compare, please use for every sequence a video in the same good quality. However, I love the new, belting Tarja. 😍
What about an update of this video of last years?
Tarja fans : I like how she changed and how her voice sounds different.
Same Tarja fans on other singers : she sucks, she used to sing wells, its not tarja
😂
Salvador Rios Delmas i was just thinking exactly the same while scrolling through the comments. How much hate this tarjaholics have given to other female metal singers not to speak about poor Anette Olzon (who actually DID improve during her short stay in nightwish) and they can't hear that their "goddess" is actually been singing live very bad and incorrectly for a couple of years now 😔
@@elish142 im a tarja fan and i love anette and i never hate other singers.
well, you should see how nasty and belligerent people who attack Tarja can be.... i am a Tarja-holic but there is no denying how talented Floor is as well as Simone from Epica...but its plain to see that, although her stage presence is as magnificent as ever, how her vocal approach has progressively changed over the years from a fabulous mixture of classical and metallic intonation to, with a few very notable exceptions, almost pop sound on most songs and sweet,warm cuddly, but nearly nuance-free on ballads.....her recent rendition of dead boy's poem , in which she introduced a classical,nuanced touch though, was just beautiful...so if you look at it rationally some of what people say regarding the changes they observe in the Floor are justified...
@@elish142 well there you go doing the exact same thing you accuse others of doing...if thats the way you feel than fine but i am one of those Tarjaholics and love Floor, Annete and Simone as well..and i assure you there are many of like-minded fans...i however have yet to see such consensus from Floor obsessed fans...i am hoping that this is true of the other side as well....so peace...
faif full3 man, Floor was praised by most metal fans (even Tarjaholics) before she joined Nightwish. She was considered probably the best female metal vocalist because of her skills in both operatic and metal styles of singing. After Forever and Revamp were two of the best projects but never gained the traction they needed after Mark left AF and Floor burned out. Ever since she joined NW, the hate was NONSTOP from Tarjaholics, which sucks, because without Floor, we’d have a generic voice playing with Nightwish. Calling her a fat lesbian, a hog and a giant whore like I’ve seen in some videos is truly disgusting. Of course Floor’s fans are going to retaliate. There is enough room for both of them in Metal. Heck, they’re friends. Lol
I simply prefer Nightwish Tarja. But she's still great on her own career, but I like her NW era voice and technique more. She did 6th octave high notes like it was nothing but now they aren't that good. She just can't reach Eb 6 anymore. I have no problem with her chest voice, other than the darkness of it. But this is just my opinion, don't hate, respect others.
I would prefer if she would sound more uniformly, especially in notes like f4-a4 in songs like "Nemo" or "Until My Last Breath". And I hate her quacking sounds that she likes to make live, especially with "a" sound. I even haven't been listening to her during few years because of that reasons. But also I don't like her singing in early NW albums, because it sounded too unfree, as if she tried to sing as correct and classic, as possible. I think, the most perfect combination would be if she would sing a bit more accurate preserving her new freedom on the stage
This is not a fair comparison due to the fact that one video is a studio mix of the song and the rest are bad quality live recordings.
Ew, we fans have been saying this for years, she's ruining her voice. It's kind of vulgar now. The old goddess is gone. That Ever dream almost made me puke.
lol I actually prefer this new ever dream with that deep tone, the head voice was becoming very watered down for me.
You don't need insult Tarja +Ahasverus92!!! If you don't like her just stay silent...
of course you and the kids at the nightwish forum do
Robsterry Ace Who do you talk with? Ligeia?
my comment is addressed to ahasverus the "definitive kid"
Uff yo la verdad amo su nueva forma de cantar es bastante rockera pero a la vez siento que va con su voz de soprano también bastante oscura, además ahora canta mucho más agudo y en vivo suena genial! ♥️
She is trying to keep up with singers like Floor Jansen and Diane from Xandria, who are extremely popular nowadays due to their versatile vocals and ability to switch from operatic to other styles of singing. But it doesn't suit her, she sounds so vulgar. Her time is over, now almost every band has a classically trained singer, and there is nothing to make her special. It's kind of sad when you think that she could have been playing stadiums and arena's now with Nightwish.
i don't know what can i say... maybe she had a shock after the exit from nightwish band. but her voice is actually fine. i like that she exited from her comfort zone.
i love love Tarja and the changes that she makes, she is so powerfull and amazing and brave. But old songs from NW i would really like to hear them as originals, because if she dosn't sing them like that who will. :D
She is returning to bel canto, because she realised that verismo is damaging her voice, because the modern opera schooling teaches singers to push, to strugle, and that ruins her voices. The strong, developed chest vpice, and the lighter chest voice(head vpice) sounds better, conistent and healthy.
so, you are trying to make a "neutral" research by comparing her voice on a DVD (and one of her bests performances) with some phone videos where she wasn't at her best ?
She has improved her light voice technique, she is not as operatic as she used to because everybody criticized her for being too lyrical and not having a chest pop voice ...
She does it now, and everybody criticises her for not being lyrical all the time ..
She is better now.
And yes, she has bad times too, surprise ! she is a human!
The only thing I don't like of her voice today, is that she can't mantein a high note for a lot of time like she used to ...
Izayoi Higurashi lol none of the videos for her solo career are phone recordings, they’re all professional, some from her own dvds. Take a seat.
In my humble opinion, I would never classify Tarja as a Soprano. Her voice has a lot of amplitude, this allows her to sing in many ways, but I realize that she has more intimacy with the low and middle notes (voice center). Also her voice is very strong and even in interviews you can see that the endings of her sentences sound low. I know Tarja considers herself a Soprano, maybe she has been trained that way because she likes more this kind of voice. This happened with Soprano Kiri Te Kawana, who was originally a Mezzo-Soprano, but decided to be Soprano by choice, then went on to train to be Soprano.
Tarja Turunen Voice Degradation. She becomes a new Doro.
That is an insult to Doro. Not even close. Anette has a better chest voice than her. She really should have stuck with what she knew.
Dave Mason I agree
I've seen them both at the same festival and Doro was top notch, while I had to literally run away and look for earplugs when tarja started screeching...
Her accent sure improved, making it nicer to hear.
Admit, Tarja is older. That means shows exhaust her more easily (not that she's worse). Also, she moves more and changed her style. In the NW clips she always want to sing perfectly, while in her solo works she just enjoys herself. Maybe she doesn't practice that much these days. Voice also gets darker with age. And I think her operatic voice got a lot better and a lot more expressive, with perfect technique.
2:53 What the fuck!? xD Can't stop laughing. She was like: "Damn it, I can't see this bullshit microphone anymore!"
To speak of this should have musical training, which I lack. However, I found your video very interesting.
4:32 "Every cream of me" hahahaha, lmao😂😂😂😂😂
i think she's still seeking a new style and new voice too... that's great in my opinion!!!
she can sing however she wants! neither were bad.
Elle avait une bien meilleure technique lorsqu'elle était avec Nightwish. Mais elle dégage davantage d'émotions et est enfin elle-même depuis qu'elle est en solo. Conclusion : elle devrait continuer à être elle-même mais mieux travailler sa voix.
My simple opinion: Tarja's talent has been decaying. Some well trained vocalist sometimes needs a vocal coach. Most of the examples shown above in the video doesn't seems to be a technique failure but the missused of circumstances. For example, a "weak" falsetto eb6 in a mourning emotion lyric is very powerful, but in Phantom of the Opera; since vocal mission is to enhance the inner beauty of the Phantom, a clean, ultra feminine head voice e6 is required.
Again, in my opinion, Tarja needs a great coach to deeply set a vocal/emotional technique plan and to see if she can really seek out more vocal flexibility. Just my opinion...
But who cares! Tarja is the pioneer of the classical and bel canto fusion in metal scene. Thanks to her there are tons of vocaly talented woman being heard in metal scene, there is even a subgenre thanks to her. She placed an important line in music history in which lead front woman bands are being admired for beauty and talent. She's like the Britney Spears of metal.
I read that she's been sick last years... Just have to watch beauty and the beat dvd to understand her improve... Espcially "Swansong".
A bit to much opera voice for me , i prefer Floor Jansen ... Also when hear Tarja in Nightwish it felt like she doing her opera stuff and band playing their music as with Floor voice is more part of the thing ...
It's ironic that back in the days Tarja insisted on being an opera singer, just doing that "weird metal stuff" on the side, proudly graduated as a professional opera diva...then *go figure* proceeded to ride the wave of symphonic metal and sing in a catastrophic patchwork of styles that she's apparently still "learning" after 15 years. Floor is another thing entirely, she was always at home in the metal scene and developed steadily and consistently.
@@Nuissance "then go figure proceeded to ride the wave of symphonic metal" She didn't ride the wave, she pioneered it (alongside Liv Kristine).
Who said she didn't have emotion her version of feels the songs written for her is better to me emotionally even my brother says so
i love tarja. her low and mid belts are are impressiv. The higher ones not much. i feel like she changed her singing technique too much.but i also think her voice got more powerful and mature aswell. She just dosent have a very nice chest tone. compared to her classical voice
All of their voices degrade with time you know...all of them lol
I found Chester Bennington's voice was too technically proficient and one dimensional in first albums...
it was only when his voice started to degrade that it began to sound more dramatic.
I dislike a bit her chest voice when goes so heavy, dark and slowwwwww on old songs like ever dream!! Sounds ugly... It looks like she tries to imitate Diamanda Galas witch-deep voice or trying to exorcise someone haha..And with symphonic metal sounds strange...
But I love her head clear voice!! She must to light up her chest voice..
If she went full Diamanda and turned into black metal i would drop dead with happiness.
See, it's really an odd stand point for me. I love that she is showing us new sides, giving new exploration. However certain songs like " EverDream " don't pair well with this new exploration. - - - I for now prefer the old style, but I'd like to hear some more of the new style once it is more fluid and within her actual means vocally.
Tarja's She currently sings because she likes to sing. And not for money, just as before. She was manipulated by Thuomas, nowadays she is free and playing with her voice, any way she wants
And she is happy !.
she was not manipulated by Tuomas, on the contrary he shaped NW music to the unexpected lyrical Tarja vocals. That Tarja has been consistently trying to change her technique/style with negative results is no one's fault but hers.
Pues Tarja es buena cantante... aunque si somos realistas ya en técnica como cantante de ópera... mmmm no es la mejor... su vibrato es demasiado pesado y lento... no quiero decir que sea mala... ella ha tenido una evolución vocal y ha transformado y encontrado su sonido... cada vez se ve más cómoda y es lo importante.
I prefer Tarja these days
I have a serious problem with the tremolo she developed.
And of course low notes of Sharon would be weaker, she is a leggero soprano while Tarja’s a lyric.
Also, don’t know if you’re a singer but 6th octave IS difficult and the only ones who are usually ok there are the leggero, also Tarja had a baby and after hormonal changes usually voice losses high pitches and bright sound.
Sharon is a Light Lyric Mezzo though.
I prefer the new Tarja, because she has a very powerful, unique, and genuinely worked
and studied voice, something that sets her apart from most of her "competition." However I do not like her exaggerated live performances, where she rarely respects the melody, rhythm and essence of music. She is always happy while some songs are sad or, at least, serious. Basically I just dislike things she does on purpose and not for lack of ability.
Although I love End Of An Era, I think her best live performance to date is Act 1 (including the best performances of Nemo, Phantom Of The Opera and Over The Hills And Far Away)
Alguien que lo pueda traducir al español..hermosa voz de nuestra reina del metal
A lot to do with her singing coach from Argentina.
I love Tarja!!!
Well its dificult fight against time
Tarja is one. Tarja is best singer in 21 century. Show me better please. I love her since NW till nowadays.
Her stage moves, mood, gestures, dance, emotions, etc etc make me fall in love more and more.