If men could get pregnant. Abortion clinics. would be everywhere. For something so personal it is absolutely not my call to judge or tell a woman what to do with her body.
So you are saying if you got your wife or girlfriend pregnant, but you wanted the baby and she didn't, you wouldn't have a say? You wouldn't have a say if your child got to live or die, that is simply her decision and she could do whatever she wants, with your baby, loikle she conceived the child on her own? What ion you didn't want the baby and she did? I am pro life.
Do not put gender equality into this subject! This is about morals, not about how you think women are "oppressed." Of course, throw in a comment about how women are oppressed, then you can't get criticized right? Sorry, but that's not how the world works
Yes, we are not here to condemn the world. That's God's place. But Christians have a moral obligation to reprimand other Christians...not the world that isn't saved... but to teach those who are doing wrong. Murder is murder. The word of God is plain. If a pregnant woman is murdered than there have been two murders committed. This is for Christians to follow. Christians. We don't have a right to judge the world... only other Christians. If a Christian does not correct another Christian then they are also guilty and should feel shame. Shame is the natural response when one has done something wrong. We need to not only shame the women but also the men who have put them in that condition and even more so.
I have as well and I don't regret them in the slightest. If I took your advice then my life would've derailed so badly. My abortion was the best decision I ever made in my life.
There are many issues I have with her statements and presentation. However I'll just leave my question here. Why isn't she fighting for both the mother and the unborn child?
Abortion raises ethical questions because it makes us consider when life begins and whether we should prioritize the life of the mother, or the life of the fetus. Utilitarianism is a consequentialist ethical theory that views ethical arguments through the principle of utility, which promotes the maximization of welfare in society. Utilitarianism can be useful when discussing abortion because of the idea that there is no absolute value placed on human life, meaning it avoids moral questions about when human life begins. Act Utilitarianism is most useful, as it prefers to judge each individual case on its own standards, meaning that the decision to pursue an abortion would solely be up to the mother, and what the consequences would be for her life. However, when viewing abortion through the lens of Act Utilitarianism, it is difficult to establish the full consequences of an abortion, and other deontological theories may need to be taken into consideration.
Again, apparently you don't understand the difference between a zygote and an actual person who has been born. It's actually scary that you don't. You comparing disabled people to fetuses is insulting to disabled people Maybe you should stop comparing fetuses to people and accept what they are: non-independent living organisms that are occupying the organs of a person An abortion IS a woman deciding she doesn't want to be pregnant. You getting in her way is you telling what to do with her body
Shame = Silence = Ignorance. Shame hurts women. Shame does not stop women having abortions. Women who had abortions should speak out and share our stories. Empathy = Connection = Empowerment I had an abortion... Or maybe I didn't but it doesn’t matter because We won’t be silent anymore. GREAT TEDx TALK!
+Lorena Flores Agüero People think abortion is shameful because you are destroying a human life. Go ahead, speak out about it, but people do judge your actions.
JT Faisa actually is not "human life". It's human cells. Just like hair and nails. But yeah, people will judge no matter what. Even if you post something on your own personal social media page.
***** the characteristics all individual biological organisms have is genetic coding (dna), reproduction (cellular division), growth and development, and metabolism. A fetus and an embryo has these characteristics. A fetus can be male. A fetus can be mixed race, while the mother is just one race. They are their own human life and we were all once fetuses. You can agree or disagree with abortion, but saying that a fetus isn't an individual human life is factually incorrect.
It's pathetic that a science undergrad cannot tell the difference between total physical dependency and biological independence. I'll spell it out for you so hopefully you'll understand: a fetus needs to be PHYSICALLY ATTACHED TO THE WOMAN'S BLOODSTREAM TO SURVIVE. An infant does NOT. An infant is able to survive being physically separated from the mother. An infant can survive being taken care of by a person who is not the biological mother. This is a pretty important difference.
It's not the same, because of two points. First, in conception a cell us created, also the DNA and the chromosomes. The cell itself is living because it autonomous, and we are multicellular, because that single cell, divided to form wbo we are now. But the chromosomes and DNA explains why we weren't a part of women's body. The chromosomes tells if we are gonna be a girl or a boy or if we are gonna have some types o diseases or disability. And DNA, which is inside the chromosomes, tells us how we are gone look like, but that's not important, the thing is that there's no other DNA as the one anybody has, it's unique, because of the combinations that forms it. That is, the DNA from that baby is diferent from his mother's, his father's or any other living person
Also, the baby is attached to the woman to survive, because it can not be form otherwise, but that doesn't tell me it's not alive, it tells me that it hasn't been developed completely yet. Five minutes o a month before it is born, is also connected to the woman, and doesn't tell me it's not alive. By what you are saying all the people who are connected to something in the hospital to live, is dead, even though it can move or think by themselves, think of what you put in every aspect, because it doesn't make sense, more if you are misinformed and only think by your opinion
Who said I was apathetic to survivors of sexual assault? Being sexually assaulted is a terrible thing. I say that as a survivor myself. But refusing to recognize the humanity and dignity of our children at every stage of life is worse. I can heal from being sexually assaulted. Children can't heal from abortion. Defending abortion is disgusting. I want every child to be left to live. We are resilient. We'll be able to take care of ourselves. No "force" about it. I'm not going ANYWHERE. EVER.
Extremely powerful and brave talk. We need to raise the curtain of shame for the millions of women who had or will have an abortion, and we need legislation to protect abortion. Arnie M
I've BEEN a woman who was pregnant when I didn't want to be. I fail to see how that would've excused the act of having my daughter killed just because I didn't want to be pregnant right then. Her father was a rapist & abuser, and he wanted me to have her killed, too. I'm not "devoid of empathy for [my] fellow women". I just begin that empathy earlier in a woman's life than you do.
Thank you for your testimony. You are very strong. Can I ask how are you doing? Would you wish a different outcome? Did you ever find justice? Can you share the good experiences and growth that you had as a result of your brave decision? I hope the best for you.
I consider myself a progressive Catholic, and I find it appalling when my other Christian or Catholic peers try to force their thoughts and beliefs on secular people/people with other beliefs. I personally would not have an abortion because I know I would regret it and feel shame about it, but that shame comes from within, not from my religion. It's my own morals and ethics. Shame should be a free-will thing, not pushed on someone else. People who have abortions are NOT bad people, they have their own set of guiding principles and should have the free will to choose how they feel about their choices. If they want to become Catholic, then they may digest their newfound shame in a healthy manner, if they want to remain in another belief, then they should not feel shame for having an abortion. I am pro-choice with the world, and I am mostly pro-life with myself, and only in extreme circumstances I will take an emergency pill, or if the child has horrible birth defects, but I will cross that bridge at another time. I am a Live and Let Live Catholic. Perhaps others will call me a heretic, of course, I am.
I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.
The women know that they wronged their child, he she and is forever hurt, adoption not abortion. This speaker is morally bad, no moral core, no compassion for the unborn.....final answer.
So glad I found this. Both my daughters have had abortions, both made this decision based on their own reasons. I also have a grandchild from one of my daughters. I'm proud that they both were able to stand up and say "Im not ready to have children yet" or "I have a child and couldn't cope with another one". It should be a womans choice.... without being judged.
Wow..As a human I’m disgusted! How does that feel good to say!? “I KILLED MY BABY” No, your daughters had no rights to choose for another human body, just like we couldn’t choose for their body.
Who cares if we're judged or not; if you want an abortion, just do it. And when people try to shame/convince/convert you into believing it was wrong, invalidate and mock their trying to force emotional intimacy with you.
Not if you give it up for adoption. If you can't feed a child, you kill it? An ultrasound cannot predict how happy someone's life will be. Give them a chance. Peace
There are many places where women can get help. I know of many of them in my community. To any women out there struggling with hidden pain, know that you are not alone and there is help for you, people who won't judge you and you will have total anonymity.
A person always has the right to put her own health above the health of another. If I don't want to donate a lung because my future plans feature me with both lungs, you have no right to FORCE me to give a lung, even if another person is dying without one. Call me selfish if you want, it's still MY body, MY lung. Don't try to pass a law that says I HAVE TO donate my healthy lung to a dying person, because that implies the health of the dying person is more important than my rights to my body.
This is a beautiful way to silence the stigma of murder (r@pé or really any behavior) and make people feel okay with their choices. Thank you! So empowering.
My ex-husband, my child's father, was also my rapist. Killing either one of my children wouldn't un-rape me. Killing either one of them wouldn't heal me from that experience in any way, and would certainly only make it WORSE. A woman's future is equally important to her child's future. A woman can carry to term and give birth while still having a future, contrary to what you think for some reason. Killing a child robs that child of their entire future.
Yes, you did. You chose not to have an abortion. You chose to continue the pregnancy because that's what you wanted, that's what your moral values told you is right The option to have an abortion existed, but you didn't take it, THAT'S WHAT HAVING A CHOICE IS If you didn't love your child you should not be a mother. People who are not capable of being parents should not have children If a person realizes she is not fit to be a mother and she decided to terminate a pregnancy, respect her choice
By your "logic" killing a born child needs to be legal if the parent decides they are not capable of caring for their children anymore... Oh I mean they should be able to make a CHOICE lol... Some choices should not be legal - like the choice to kill a child and the choice to kill an unborn child.
What 'a shame' that your talk is all about you. How you feel about yourself. Its all about you! I didn't hear one word that talked about the LIFE that was being aborted. Especially as you made a comparison to blowing your nose; as if the unborn child is as unimportant as some nasal snot. At the end of the day, the shame you experience when you take a life is not because other people make you feel it, its because we were born with a conscience, to know right from wrong. And it is inherently wrong to take a life in the womb because its inconvenient to your life style. That's why you feel shame. its really very simple. Don't complicate it by trying to blame other people for your own personal decisions. And the statement by Martin Niemoller should be applied to the unborn child. If no one stands up for them, who will?
The speaker is saying the opposite of what is true. What is true is she has a natural personal shame (regardless of society) and she is using society, in her public speaking, to repress or deny her shame.
So money is more important than the lives of human beings? You wouldn't kill born people so why kill unborn people? There are many people today that live in pain that have happy lives, for those who are not happy - they are people without support but we don't kill them. Eliminate pain not human beings. Eliminate the crisis not human beings. Eliminate expectations for another human being's life story and allow other human being's to create their own life story. Live and let live not kill.
We become human beings at fertilization, when the sperm meets the egg and creates a zygote. Sperm or egg on their own are human parts but zygotes are human wholes (human beings). The sperm is composed of 23 chromosomes, the egg is composed of 23 chromosomes and the zygote is composed of both (46). So the answer is no, a woman isn't committing murder when menstruating since she sheds unfertilized eggs. Hope this clears up any confusion.
Anya Tindall I’m stating a scientific fact. Perhaps your opinion is that a human being is not a person unless he/she is able to think or function properly. In that case then how about someone who is in a coma but still alive? How about persons with disabilities?
I care equally for both, because they are both human beings. "Hopes and dreams and plans for the future" is not a license for one party to kill the other. I had hopes and dreams and plans for the future before I got pregnant with my daughter, too. The answer was changing my hopes/dreams/plans, NOT killing her. The fact her father raped me wasn't a license to kill her, either.
@@alyssarosa1398 people who commit suicide are not exactly in their right mind to know that that’s not the right thing for them. Most people who survive that regret that they ever attempted it.
@@daniellenm395 you don't know who is in their right mind or not. Yes, in some cases mental illness or a psychotic episode can cause a temporary loss of discernment but not in every case. A lot of people commit suicide to end their pain and suffering because it has simply become unbearable. While they may not want to die, they just want the pain to end which is why they end up doing it
it isn't too strong if that's what people tell you that having an abortion is...in fact i was accosted by a "pro life" protester who told me i was committing murder.
Shame spirals, parochialism, oppression of women etc. etc. Abortion is the killing of another human being. It's rather curious that we're never reminded of that by pro-choice.
lol, "anti-woman agenda". I am not a woman, nor is my daughter, apparently. The reason I fight is because I "decided [I] didn't want to be pregnant" with my first child b/c her father was abusive, we were poor, homeless, & I was the only 1 b/w us w/employment that I'd have to quit due to pregnancy. He wanted me to abort her, but even though I didn't want to be pregnant, I was, & she was&in my living daughter. It horrifies me that it would've been legal to have her killed just b/c she was young.
I will not shame women for crushing their own children’s sculls and having their baby’s limbs ripped off one by one so they can then be assembled on a small metal tray to be sure they got all of the parts. Who on earth would actually think an act like that is anything to be ashamed about...
My mother had me just a few days after she turned 20. I have thought a number of times through my life -Did she consider the posibility of aborting me? And immediately after that I'm so happy she didn't, because I exist and I love to live and I love her. We aren't asked if we want to live, the names we'll have along with a lot more, but to think so many lifes have been interrupted like mine could have makes me so incredibly sad. I was just one cell, we all were, and we are all here fighting every day. I just fucking love to be living, even with al the problems, I just am, and nobody could have known that when I was unicelular.
@@anarchisttutor7423 sure it is, but that isn't an argument against abortions, believe it or not many living children's parents want them dead, often ones whose parents were denied abortions
"A gestating human being is not MORE important than their pregnant mother. I never said they were." But you do say this. You say this in every. damn. argument. A fetus is more important than a woman's right to use her own body. A fetus is more important than a woman's physical and mental health. A fetus is more important than a rape victim's need to heal. A fetus is more important than a woman's entire future. That's what you've been saying all this time. And you have the gall to deny it?
If you support legal abortion, you support killing children, simple as that. If you do not support a child's right to live at every stage of life, you support a parent making the decision to have their child killed regardless of the inherent obligation of a parent/child relationship. You're placing feelings of a parent over the basic human rights of a child. Erasing a child's life is really gross, so don't do that. There is not a "right" not to be a mother at the cost of a child's life.
Your continued belief that the fetus is not a separate human being, that it is simply another body part of the woman amuses me. Are you saying that you are not actually a unique person, but that you are actually your mother?
Please explain how I'm sticking up for child abusers by trying to guarantee that all women have full reproductive rights without dumbshits trying to decide for them. This should be amusing. Let me get my popcorn.
FYI mental illnesses go WAY BEYOND "hearing voices" and having phobias. Treatment for them can take years of therapy and/or the consumption of mood changing drugs. Puzzle me this: a woman is taking a drug to keep her mentally healthy, but this drug is known to cause severe birth defects. If she becomes pregnant, should she stop taking the drug even though this action is GUARANTEED to make her life instantly unbearable?
If you think exceptions should be made for rape victims you prove your focus is not on the fetus, but on policing people's sexual behaviour. Rape is sex in the sense that it is sexual intercourse, yes. The fact that sex is a willful act still does not mean a woman is signing her body away. As I've already told you, abortion IS a consequence too, and every bit as valid as birth.
I'm glad I'm out of that relationship, too. However, I didn't "choose" to not to kill my child. It was what I had to do b/c it's wrong for mothers to have their children killed, & should be illegal. I do love my child, but what if I didn't? Should that be a license to kill her? My friend's mother hated him&abused him. Should she have had a license to kill him? He doesn't think so. I don't, either. Realize that circumstances are irrelevant, being female is not a license to kill your child.
Having a mental illness isn't an excuse to kill a child, either. Hearing voices, unreasonable fears, etc.-those things need psychiatric treatment, not child-killing. Killing is not a legitimate course of action to take in order to try and alleviate one's problems. Being FORCED to die is just a bit more unreasonable than being FORCED not to kill your child (not just "your rapist's child", YOUR child, too) for a few months.
There is no legal precedent for a person to be FORCED to nourish another person WITH THEIR BLOOD and there never will be. Even if a person is dying and desperately needs a blood transfusion, it's completely illegal to take someone's blood without permission. So why should fetuses be an exception to this?
Good thing that's not the case any longer. Rape is illegal, programs exist to help mothers as they finish their education, and employer discrimination based on pregnancy is also illegal. Mothers have so much more open to them than "barefoot and pregnant". Also, adoption exists, so even if a woman doesn't want to be "saddled" with her child, she doesn't have to kill them. A woman in a disadvantaged position is usually due to a COMBINATION of factors-not just having children.
What does it matter? Well, if you are a relativist, then nothing, I guess. But then, why stop at pre-natal abortion? Once the fetus is outside the womb, or post-natal (to use cozy innocuous Latin terms) it is much easier to determine whether there are any previously undiscovered defects, and, after all, the criteria by which personhood are defined and determined are extremely elastic, and of course, different in the case of each post-natal fetus, so you may find yourself deciding in the fifth or sixth post-natal trimester that this fetus cannot reasonably be considered viable in terms of taking on the attributes of personhood (Latinate words really do make things nice and cozy, and safe - well, unless you have thoroughly studied Latin). Some people might baulk at this, having arbitrarily decided to call this thing a baby merely because it is outside the womb and are therefore uncomfortable at the idea of terminating at such a late stage, but what does it matter? Well I guess that just depends on who you ask. It is all just relative, right?
Maybe you should read the definition of veganism. here it is straight from the vegan society:"A philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." Sure you can take it further to reinforce a belief you may or may not have held in the first place, but to deviate from the actual definition isn't acceptable. You deserve nothing more from me. You have google obviously...punch in some words if you're ever unclear about anything else.
Nope. Not really. I actually have quite a few activist friends in the Pro-Life movement who are post-abortive themselves. They say that the suicidal feelings, depression, shame, and guilt were all coming from inside themselves, even back when they surrounded themselves with other "pro-choicers" patting them on the ass for their "brave decisions" & inflating their confidence-deep down they knew what they did, and it hurt them profoundly. (Silent No More/Rachel's Vineyard)
According to data from National Center for Health Statistics, legalization of abortion wasn't responsible for reducing abortion deaths. The discovery of antibiotics in the 1940's actually reduced deaths by providing treatment for infections. National Center for Heath Statistics shows before 1941, there were 1,400+ abortion deaths. After Penicillin, deaths were reduced in the '50's to approx 250 per yr. By 1966, w/ abortion still illegal in all states, the # of deaths dropped steadily to 120.
I have plenty of compassion. I don't think women have a "duty" to reproduce. The problem is, once a woman is pregnant, she HAS. ALREADY. REPRODUCED!, and a child is alive in existence. What I can't stand is the thought of that child being killed and robbed of their entire lifespan so early in it. You support the execution of an innocent party just because their father happens to be a rapist. You're the one with blood on your hands. That's pretty stomach-turning.
"Maybe I killed a baby.... or maybe I didn't. It doesn't matter, because we won't be silent anymore." Never be ashamed of anything you do kids, that's bad for your self esteem, and Americans need more self esteem.
I believe you missed the point in which she said that most abortions happen right after women find out that they are pregnant, that is, what you call "a baby" is just a bunch of cells, sometimes with no heart or no nervous system, therefore not a person, and not a life. Why do you stand up for a bunch of cells and not for women who, of denied assistence and proper medical care, will probably have a desperate abortion anyway, but this time probably with no assistence and no sanitary conditions?
Early abortions are NOT killing babies. They are killing embryos that, if not terminated, will become babies. I am 18 years old and a few days ago I was told I was 6 weeks pregnant. I quit school due to severe mental illness and for similar reasons have no job. I used an IUD, the most effective contraception we have come up with, but it failed - I'm the 0.1%. My mother is poor, and the father has no interest in the child. If I go through with this pregnancy there is a significant chance I have a stress-induced psychotic episode and throw myself out a window, especially as I will not be able to take my medication. Is this enough reason to let me have an abortion? What about if I was raped, and thus took no sexual risk at all? What if the unborn baby was literally killing me - should I keep it for the sake of the 5% (for example) chance we both survive? Are the rights to life of a lentil-sized brainless embryo more valid than my rights to better life chances? Or a life at all?
+Zoe Adams ....thats fake but if you were 18 and having sex...you knew the birth control could fail so you chose to take this risk. if you choose sex you choose to make a baby if your method fails. stop having sex! in the case of rape or health abortion is questionable but the baby of rape didn't ask to be torn apart and there is something called adoption. six week old plus two days the embryo has its own brainwaves plus it has a beating heart. seven weeks it has hiccups. yes reasons for abortions count but most of them are for stupid reasons......
@@isabellaoliveira4945 it may not be a “baby” as in the stage of development, but it is your child as in your offspring. You are still killing your child
@carolina hernandez you don't have to get an abortion if you don't want to. However with pro-lifers you actually are being controlled and don't get a say in your own future but okay.
Then maybe you should inform yourself. A human embryo/fetus is the offspring of his/her parents. "Offspring" is synonymous with "child". That stands regardless of how old that offspring is.
Furthermore, the claim that thousands of maternal deaths occurred due to illegal abortion doesn't measure up when compared with other statistics. About 50,000 women of child-bearing age die each year - from all causes combined. To suggest that 10,000 of these deaths were from illegal abortion would make that the cause of one out of every five deaths, or twenty percent. This would have made illegal abortion the leading cause of death among women in that age group.
See, that's where you're not getting it. Your emphasis is on "SOME WOMEN CHOOSE..." when it should be on "THEIR...CHILD". One decision IS more morally right than the other, because it doesn't result in the taking of a very young child's life. But I agree-let's not tell other ppl what to do w/their bodies & their lives. Namely, let's not tell them to die and their bodies to be destroyed. It's not our place.
Wrong. Parents have obligations to use their bodies to provide for offspring as long as they have default custody. Whether that means using your body to work a job to get money to provide for that child, or in the case of a preg mother, gestating that child. Bodily autonomy rights are not absolute always. I'm not raising my daughter to hate other women. I'm raising her to understand that the fact she was conceived under bad circumstances doesn't mean I should've had a right to have her killed.
Why do anti-choicers say that an abortion is a punishment on the fetus? The fetus has no conscience or self-awareness. You cannot "punish" something that cannot tell the difference between right and wrong. Makes about as much sense as "punishing" a plant. Rape victims are not exacting a revenge fantasy when they get an abortion. They are simply solving a situation that they don't want, which is being pregnant. They don't want their rapist's baby, which I think is understandable.
No 1's "forcing women* give birth". Rape's illegal, and no 1's advocating compulsory insemination or embryo implantation. Preg & birth happen naturally on their own after coitus. Gestating children use their own organs. The placenta is shared by mother&child. "You cannot say that the life of 1 person is worth more than the life of another." But I'm not saying that. You are, by supporting abortion. Preg&birth isn't violation, it's parenting. Parents don't have a right to kill "unwanted children".
"And I couldn't care less how old you are or aren't." It happens to be directly relevant to what you are saying- you said you weren't saying anything personal to me, but it is because it concerns women my age.
This video is a good example of linguistic relativity. I always see the same dull tactic used by pro-choice, religion and politics, in that they try to maneuver the semantics of words and try to weave that into a "logical" argument. It is their way in which to alter perceptions without any real basis.
Science is the basis. We now know that at implantation the baby has a brain and consciousness. I am an abortion survivor in the 8th week of my mothers pregnancy. I had traumatic undescribable night terrors until I found out this truth. 8 weeks into the pregnancy I had consciousness and memory of the murder of my twin. Science proves heart beat is established by a circulatory system that can only be established by a brain. So now that we know it's a baby and murder of one, we need alternatives. 1 easier and less costly adoptions. 2 programs to house and care for pregnant girls where their parents have exiled them. 3 abstinence and the why's behind it. 4 all employers must provide free child care. 5 The men must be held accountable by forcing them to take on employment to support their unwanted children. ..... Get the point?
@@catalinaguzmancantante212 there is. Mima hasn't shown any ways in which we could implement these measures or any understanding of the complexity of these situations. Yes, in a perfect world no one would have abortions, but our world is far from perfect and sometimes abortions are the way to reduce the most amount of suffering possible.
If infants were separated from an adult caregiver for a given length of time, you'd find them to not be very independent organisms, either. Separate a kidney patient's blood supply from their dialysis machine, & THEY wouldn't be very independent, either. The gestating child is not attached to their mother's blood supply. They have their own blood supply. "We also know biochemically that it is an independent organism distinct from the mother."-Dr. Bernard Nathanson, co-founder of NARAL
LOL are you saying that just because the mother's blood mixes with the fetus's through the umbilical cord, her contribution is irrelevant? Seriously? Nobody is legally obligated to nourish a fetus with their blood. Yes, denying a woman her right to get an abortion means she will be FORCED to continue the pregnancy. Is this concept too fucking hard to understand? Pregnancies can be terminated, if it's not terminated when the woman wants, she's being forced.
might i also say, that any of you women that have never had an abortion or have never been pregnant have no right to speak here and need to keep their ridiculous and ignorant opinions to themselves. that means all of you who have been arguing with me for so long. you dont the pain on the other side. so, im asking you out of respect to not speak in favor of this ignorance.
LOL and what I find hilarious is that you, men, are so pro-life. You have never been pregnant and will never be pregnant, so what makes you think you can dictate what a women can choose to do with her body?
Justin Buckner ok, thanks for telling me, a woman who's never had an abortion or never been pregnant, that I don't have a right to speak, Justin. Please share your stories of getting an abortion, you uterus-lacking piece of filth.
No more than having an abortion will. I'm speaking for people who can't speak for themselves. I'm speaking for people who I know who wouldn't have wanted to die due to their mothers' poor circumstances. "THEY ARE NOT YOU." is not an excuse to look the other way while ppl are killed. P.S. Pro-Lifers are out there working to make sure rapists don't get/have rights. Look up Rebecca Kiessling. She was conceived in rape, and deserved to live. Her mom tried to abort her a few times, too.
+Ron Parks Is there any part of having consensual sex which is dis-honourable? What part of voluntarily terminating the pregnancy of a non-sentient, non-sapient, will-less and never conscious zygote/embryo/fetus is dis-honourable?
Well if you take an expectant mother and terminate her pregnancy against her will, that is considered murder... so then, what makes it life is whether it is wanted or not? That makes about as much since as someone killing you while you are asleep (unconscious) because they didn't really want to be bothered with you. At least you got to live... Children taken from the womb never had that chance. It's just a mater of taking a life, often carelessly created, for the convenience of someone who, due to their more advanced stage of development, has the upper hand over a helpless unborn person. That, sir, is dishonorable... but easily hidden.
+Ron Parks - Nowhere in the world is abortion considered legally, murder. That is a term that religious bigots with womb envy invented. For the simple reason that a murder is the illegal killing of a person against their will. So first you have to define a person like us and contrast that with a zygote/embryo/fetus which is non-sentient, non-sapient, never conscious and will-less, and of course though a long term potential is possible, there is no actuality, and therefore no actuality of murder. Halting a pregnancy is not murder. Legal sexual activity is not your concern, with respect, so making blanket disparaging comments about women or girls who make these decisions when an untoward pregnancy occurs shows disregard for their humanity and ignorance from assumptions on your part in my opinion.
+Ron Parks have you ever adopted a child with severe special needs? Or adopted a child from a poor teenage mother? Unless you do something to help the problem of unwanted babies, condemning those who terminate their unwanted children is hypocrisy. If you got a woman pregnant, or a sister or friend got pregnant and she didn't want it, would you agree to raise it for her to prevent it from being terminated? If not, you are no more honourable than she is. And before you say it, it is not her burden because she was the one who "got pregnant". Maybe she used the safest contraceptive methods available and they failed. Maybe she was assaulted. Maybe she wanted the baby originally but lost her job etc after conception. It is hypocrisy to condemn those who abort unwanted babies without offering to care for them yourself.
What is "zaikast" I am Polish, don't understand it.I am ashamed for being Polish. My friends father had an abortion clinic. He was an alcoholic and hang himself, his wife had a car accident and his daughter killed herself. I am ashamed. To solve this problem sign for adoption of the child.
@3:00 "Shame" is an emotion inherently part of natural mentality of people. The mind cannot feel or generate emotions that are not innate mental capacities or dispositions. Thus it is illogical to say society causes people to feel shame. Society cannot elicit emotions that do not innately exist. This is why the speaker is in denial and obviously repressing her natural remorse with her publicly expressed delusions. Rather than society causing shame, this speaker is using society to repress her shame. It this lady was alone, in isolation, she would feel the remorse & regret for her actions.
Shame is a huge issue in abortion obviously. However what she didn't mention is what is most troubling - the reason why. If this is simply a misguided feeling then simply say so, however the issue of life should be handled with care. So there should be emotional weight attached to the issue and simply try to whisk shame away without dealing with the underlying cause is weak. That is simply denial and not something that should be striven for. We can deal with the issue of abortion but let's not pretend that there isn't a life in the middle of it. (Read a textbook sperm + egg = conception ---> the beginning of life) People who don't are always going to leave themselves open because anyone could point out that this is a cowardly way to deal with such a serious issue.
Like toddler & adolescent, the terms "fetus” doesn't refer to non-humans but to humans at particular stages of development. Human beings inside the womb are smaller, less developed, & more dependent than human beings outside the womb. These are differences of degree, not differences of kind. We can point to other people who are bigger, stronger, smarter, or less dependent than we are, but that doesn't make our lives any less valuable or any less deserving of protection.
This message is frightening. If there should be no shame in killing an unborn child then there should be no shame in killing children at Sandy Hook Elementary, no shame in killing people at the Aurora movie theater, no shame in killing Jews in the Holocaust, etc. The victims are people in all circumstances -- born and unborn people, young and old people, Jewish and non-Jewish people. This talk breaks my heart.
All I have to say - is that anyone who thinks a woman does not have a right to her own body is pro-rape. Or pro-slavery. Or pro-violation of women. Simple - if you want to take away a woman's right to her body, you are one or all of those things. Who has the right to someone else's body? No one. And no one should.
Some women choose to carry their abusive partner's child. Kudos to them. Some women decide they cannot psychologically handle that. Kudos to them too. Neither decision is more morally right than the other. Point is: let's NOT tell people what to do with their bodies and with their lives, because it's not our place.
I don't think a fetus is a child. By medical and legal definition, a fetus is not a baby. But that's irrelevant. What I'm really about is the right to body autonomy. Imagine that you have type XZY blood, which is extremely rare. Another person with that type needs a transfusion. How would you feel if the hospital took your blood WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION TO DO SO? It's not about your right to kill that person, it's about your right NOT to have your blood taken from you without permission.
Forcing women* give birth sounds downright medieval. What's that you were saying about the dark ages? Using people's organs and blood without their permission is a human rights violation. You cannot say that the life of one person is worth more than the life of another. You cannot violate the rights of one person to save another, that's not how it works. You cannot violate the woman to save the fetus. Forced blood giving is not a thing. Forced organ giving is not a thing.
" The mother's body and the child's body are separate therefore the woman can only control her body to the extent that she doesn't hurt the child's body." Says who? The fetus is INSIDE her. It's IN HER UTERUS. The uterus belongs to HER. It doesn't belong to you. It doesn't belong to the fetus. It belongs to her and she alone dictates what happens to it. And if she decided she doesn't want anything inside it, then the fetus has to go.
Love was not on my mind when I was pregnant w/my 1st child. So what? That doesn't mean it was ALWAYS the case, & killing her would've been a permanent "solution" to a temporary problem. Ppl who are not capable of being parents should not have children. I agree. Problem is, if pregnant, they've already got at least one child already. I'm not going to respect the choice of a mother to have her child killed. Ever. I cannot and will not "respect" that.
I care about a woman's right to her own body. If she does NOT want to see her internal organs invaded by unwanted organisms, she has the right to remove these organisms. Nobody has the right to force her to keep unwanted entities inside her body, because HER body belongs to HER. It would be murder to kill the baby girl in your example because she has already been born, ergo she's not occupying someone else's internal organs. Once you're born you're an independent living creature.
Not a single one uses abortion as birth control. Please educate yourself. (I don't know if you are even aware of the irony that you shame women BELOW THIS VIDEO. Not sure if you even watched it or understood her points..)
"I don't think a fetus is a child." That's your lack of comprehension-not my problem. "By medical and legal definition, a fetus is not a baby." I never said they were. One can be a child of one's parents without being a baby. I'm about the right to body autonomy, too. That's why I'm against abortion. Bodily autonomy begins in utero with uncompromised bodily integrity.
I too believe that it is wrong for an individual to control someone else's body. That's why I'm against abortion. Abortion involves someone (the woman) controlling another person's body (the unborn). The mother's body and the child's body are separate therefore the woman can only control her body to the extent that she doesn't hurt the child's body. Maintaining pregnancy is simply doing for the unborn what parents must do for the born, which is to provide shelter and nourishment.
No, I'm not. I'll ask a doctor if a fetus is offspring, and if offspring is a child of its parents. I think I know what they'll say! A fetus is a fetus and will remain a fetus until birth. However, "fetus" and "child" are not mutually exclusive, & as a matter of fact, they imply each other.
This is the problem: she said nothing about the issue of whether or not abortion does take the life of a child. Sure no one wants there to be shame. But how can we talk about shame when there is no mention of the moral core of the argument for life? Are we going to give up right and wrong? I think that we should deal with the problem head on even if there are cases of abortion. There are legitimate cases for abortion. But let's not pretend that abortion is the same as losing a fingernail.
A patriarchal society will benefit more by keeping a woman barefoot and pregnant (because then she's not out there getting an education and a job) It's easier to oppress someone by tying them down and saddling them with children they don't want or are not ready to have is a way of doing that. It's been proven that when women CHOOSE when and how they become mothers theirs and the quality of life of their children vastly improve. I want children to have a good quality of life, don't you?
By the yr before Roe v. Wade allowing legal abortion on demand in all 50 states, the death rate for illegal abortions had fallen to 24 in '72 (w/25 additn'l deaths as a result of legal abortions). In '73, there should've been a drop in abortion-related deaths w/abortion legal in all 50 states & "back-alley abortions" eliminated w/ their alleged total of maternal deaths. Yet abortion-related deaths increased again w/ 25 deaths resulting from legal abortion in '73, 26 in '74 and 29 in '75.
? Did I say they weren't? Oh-I thought I had personally insulted you, if you aren't offended, what's the issue? "I also never said that "their wishes over their own pregnancies are irrelevant effectivley"."If you believe they shouldn't have the optionof abortion then yes, that is what you believe. "to make sure they are considering more than themselves." Firstly grown women do not need you to 'make sure' they are properly considering things, 2nd- why on earth should they?
From an embryology textbook used my medical students in UBC confirms: "Human development begins at fertilization [emphasis in original], the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell, the zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell is the beginning of embryonic development." (Moore & Persaud)
My boyfriend , who i ve been with only for one and a half month, wanted to have a baby, so one day he came inside me, he only confess after some days , it only happened once.... i guess, i got pregnant, i don't love him, i have no job or money to support a baby, his ego flying high, he doesn't care about me, he wants to manipulate me..... do you think is fair to keep the baby ? ..... If abortion is a murder then all guverments should financialy support women to keep their babies .....is it fair ? Where is the justice?.....who will support me now? How will i work and grow a child by myself? .... or should i live with a selfish man that i don't love, just to support the baby.... and will this be fair for the baby? To have parents that they don't love each other? IS IT FAIR people? Speak Up !!!!! cause i m loosing my mind, fear is all i see..... where is the LOVE ? And if God gave me this task , and if i fell small and scared right now.... then God will understand, God will accept me and understand that if i don't keep the baby it was fear that got place into me ... support those women ... we suffer more than anyone else that just talks about abortion without understanding
I was a fetus at one point in my life. Should I be ashamed to have gone through that part of my life? I was respiring through oxygen passed into my blood through the placenta. I'm not sure what if anything I was thinking then-but I don't remember my thoughts at 2 years old, either. Doesn't mean I wasn't a person. Take your indignation and opposition to basic human rights for all children and shove them.
I think, in my opinion, she was not giving a debate about having an abortion or not. She said that any woman who have had an abortion needs, Like every other person the right to open Up about their decision and ends the stigma. A lot of young girls starting to commit suicide because of the huge regret they feel and cant find redemption or help. its a strong personal opinion. But for good or for bad, the abortion in this situacion had already take place. we need to support woman who feel in pain and in need to share their expirience. I think everybody lives with their own demons & problems. And that's enough. Let's talk about our opinions and problems without censure.
You don't see how someone can make a 'moral case' for removing an organism from their body that they don't want in their body? Is there any other case where you think it is morally acceptable to use someone's body as a means to an end? It is irrelevant that conception is a possible consequence of sex, because it's not a contract. Women do not sign away their rights to make choices over their own body when they have sex.
i like what she said in general, but i don't get her point about ultrasounds. in the uk you have to have an ultrasound to get an abortion, its not an attempt to violate or shame the women, its because its important that the doctor can confirm you are definitely pregnant before carrying out a potentially dangerous and unnecessary procedure. attempting to carry out an abortion on a woman who it turned out wasnt actually pregnant could be very dangerous.
No woman makes her choice lightly. No couples make their choice lightly. Please respect people’s decisions. I know I’m not alone when I say I wish the world were perfect... but it isn’t. I know it can be difficult to understand, but when someone discloses their unplanned pregnancy to you, remember you aren’t the person whose life is utterly changed. You aren’t the person who has to live with such a heavy decision. But what you CAN do is be their friend and listen to them and support them, no matter what they decide to happen. They need you. They came to you for a reason, because they knew you wouldn’t judge them. I chose to support my friend because I knew she would do the same for me. And I don’t regret it. Please respect people’s decisions. They NEED YOU. Because it’s them against the world. If not you, then who is going to stand by them? Remember you are not alone. Spread the love, not the hate. God bless everyone to feel confident in making the best decisions for themselves and not regret them. Amen.
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If men could get pregnant. Abortion clinics. would be everywhere. For something so personal it is absolutely not my call to judge or tell a woman what to do with her body.
So you are saying if you got your wife or girlfriend pregnant, but you wanted the baby and she didn't, you wouldn't have a say? You wouldn't have a say if your child got to live or die, that is simply her decision and she could do whatever she wants, with your baby, loikle she conceived the child on her own?
What ion you didn't want the baby and she did?
I am pro life.
Do not put gender equality into this subject! This is about morals, not about how you think women are "oppressed." Of course, throw in a comment about how women are oppressed, then you can't get criticized right? Sorry, but that's not how the world works
Yes, we are not here to condemn the world. That's God's place. But Christians have a moral obligation to reprimand other Christians...not the world that isn't saved... but to teach those who are doing wrong. Murder is murder. The word of God is plain. If a pregnant woman is murdered than there have been two murders committed. This is for Christians to follow. Christians. We don't have a right to judge the world... only other Christians. If a Christian does not correct another Christian then they are also guilty and should feel shame. Shame is the natural response when one has done something wrong. We need to not only shame the women but also the men who have put them in that condition and even more so.
And the baby's body? And if you are the father?
this video does not have nearly enough views.
I've had 3 abortions. I regret them all. Please if you are reading this dont have one. Save yourself pain in your heart.
So sorry to hear that. IRMA in Mexico helps psychologically. Also confession, sacraments and rosary. The 3 will look after you.
I have as well and I don't regret them in the slightest. If I took your advice then my life would've derailed so badly. My abortion was the best decision I ever made in my life.
i was born and i regret being born don't have a baby.
Thank you for you regret, God will forgive you and heal you're heart and emotions, Jesus.
You would also regret not having the 3 abortions. I think regret is just in your nature.
Abortion is not regretted by many women. That's also a fact
There are many issues I have with her statements and presentation. However I'll just leave my question here. Why isn't she fighting for both the mother and the unborn child?
You mean the fetus? She's fighting for women rights to their own bodies, stay pressed.
@@anaalves3869 Keep telling yourself what ever lies you need to, to get through your day for your cause to kill.
@@mtoohill keep being obsessed with women bodies creep
@@anaalves3869 typical extremist. Disagree with someone so you have to call names. Comeback when you grow up and can have dialogue with adults.
Abortion raises ethical questions because it makes us consider when life begins and whether we should prioritize the life of the mother, or the life of the fetus. Utilitarianism is a consequentialist ethical theory that views ethical arguments through the principle of utility, which promotes the maximization of welfare in society. Utilitarianism can be useful when discussing abortion because of the idea that there is no absolute value placed on human life, meaning it avoids moral questions about when human life begins. Act Utilitarianism is most useful, as it prefers to judge each individual case on its own standards, meaning that the decision to pursue an abortion would solely be up to the mother, and what the consequences would be for her life. However, when viewing abortion through the lens of Act Utilitarianism, it is difficult to establish the full consequences of an abortion, and other deontological theories may need to be taken into consideration.
Again, apparently you don't understand the difference between a zygote and an actual person who has been born. It's actually scary that you don't.
You comparing disabled people to fetuses is insulting to disabled people
Maybe you should stop comparing fetuses to people and accept what they are: non-independent living organisms that are occupying the organs of a person
An abortion IS a woman deciding she doesn't want to be pregnant. You getting in her way is you telling what to do with her body
Shame = Silence = Ignorance. Shame hurts women. Shame does not stop women having abortions. Women who had abortions should speak out and share our stories.
Empathy = Connection = Empowerment
I had an abortion... Or maybe I didn't but it doesn’t matter because We won’t be silent anymore.
GREAT TEDx TALK!
+Lorena Flores Agüero People think abortion is shameful because you are destroying a human life. Go ahead, speak out about it, but people do judge your actions.
JT Faisa actually is not "human life". It's human cells. Just like hair and nails. But yeah, people will judge no matter what. Even if you post something on your own personal social media page.
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you think a fetus is just another part of the woman's body? have you failed biology?
JT Faisa maybe you should try to take some classes on women issues and biology too.
***** the characteristics all individual biological organisms have is genetic coding (dna), reproduction (cellular division), growth and development, and metabolism. A fetus and an embryo has these characteristics. A fetus can be male. A fetus can be mixed race, while the mother is just one race. They are their own human life and we were all once fetuses.
You can agree or disagree with abortion, but saying that a fetus isn't an individual human life is factually incorrect.
It's pathetic that a science undergrad cannot tell the difference between total physical dependency and biological independence. I'll spell it out for you so hopefully you'll understand: a fetus needs to be PHYSICALLY ATTACHED TO THE WOMAN'S BLOODSTREAM TO SURVIVE. An infant does NOT. An infant is able to survive being physically separated from the mother. An infant can survive being taken care of by a person who is not the biological mother.
This is a pretty important difference.
I really appreciate both of these comments
It's not the same, because of two points. First, in conception a cell us created, also the DNA and the chromosomes. The cell itself is living because it autonomous, and we are multicellular, because that single cell, divided to form wbo we are now. But the chromosomes and DNA explains why we weren't a part of women's body. The chromosomes tells if we are gonna be a girl or a boy or if we are gonna have some types o diseases or disability. And DNA, which is inside the chromosomes, tells us how we are gone look like, but that's not important, the thing is that there's no other DNA as the one anybody has, it's unique, because of the combinations that forms it. That is, the DNA from that baby is diferent from his mother's, his father's or any other living person
Also, the baby is attached to the woman to survive, because it can not be form otherwise, but that doesn't tell me it's not alive, it tells me that it hasn't been developed completely yet. Five minutes o a month before it is born, is also connected to the woman, and doesn't tell me it's not alive. By what you are saying all the people who are connected to something in the hospital to live, is dead, even though it can move or think by themselves, think of what you put in every aspect, because it doesn't make sense, more if you are misinformed and only think by your opinion
Wrong.
Without help
No one can survive.
Who said I was apathetic to survivors of sexual assault? Being sexually assaulted is a terrible thing. I say that as a survivor myself. But refusing to recognize the humanity and dignity of our children at every stage of life is worse. I can heal from being sexually assaulted. Children can't heal from abortion. Defending abortion is disgusting.
I want every child to be left to live. We are resilient. We'll be able to take care of ourselves. No "force" about it.
I'm not going ANYWHERE. EVER.
Extremely powerful and brave talk. We need to raise the curtain of shame for the millions of women who had or will have an abortion, and we need legislation to protect abortion.
Arnie M
I've BEEN a woman who was pregnant when I didn't want to be. I fail to see how that would've excused the act of having my daughter killed just because I didn't want to be pregnant right then. Her father was a rapist & abuser, and he wanted me to have her killed, too. I'm not "devoid of empathy for [my] fellow women". I just begin that empathy earlier in a woman's life than you do.
Thank you for your testimony. You are very strong. Can I ask how are you doing? Would you wish a different outcome? Did you ever find justice?
Can you share the good experiences and growth that you had as a result of your brave decision? I hope the best for you.
@@FilosParaSofia thanks. I'm remarried for 10 years and my daughter is in her early 20's now and happy to be alive and we're happy she's with us.
@@annejordan88 Life is good. I'm glad!
I consider myself a progressive Catholic, and I find it appalling when my other Christian or Catholic peers try to force their thoughts and beliefs on secular people/people with other beliefs. I personally would not have an abortion because I know I would regret it and feel shame about it, but that shame comes from within, not from my religion. It's my own morals and ethics. Shame should be a free-will thing, not pushed on someone else. People who have abortions are NOT bad people, they have their own set of guiding principles and should have the free will to choose how they feel about their choices. If they want to become Catholic, then they may digest their newfound shame in a healthy manner, if they want to remain in another belief, then they should not feel shame for having an abortion. I am pro-choice with the world, and I am mostly pro-life with myself, and only in extreme circumstances I will take an emergency pill, or if the child has horrible birth defects, but I will cross that bridge at another time. I am a Live and Let Live Catholic. Perhaps others will call me a heretic, of course, I am.
But some things are worthy of shame
Who is the real victim here? I thought it would be the baby that lost its life and was never given a chance.
I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.
The women know that they wronged their child, he she and is forever hurt, adoption not abortion. This speaker is morally bad, no moral core, no compassion for the unborn.....final answer.
So glad I found this. Both my daughters have had abortions, both made this decision based on their own reasons. I also have a grandchild from one of my daughters. I'm proud that they both were able to stand up and say "Im not ready to have children yet" or "I have a child and couldn't cope with another one". It should be a womans choice.... without being judged.
Congrats, your daughters murdered their children because it was "inconvenient" to have them...
Wow..As a human I’m disgusted! How does that feel good to say!? “I KILLED MY BABY” No, your daughters had no rights to choose for another human body, just like we couldn’t choose for their body.
Who cares if we're judged or not; if you want an abortion, just do it. And when people try to shame/convince/convert you into believing it was wrong, invalidate and mock their trying to force emotional intimacy with you.
Imagine those beautiful children god intended for them to be in this world, imagine them calling u grandma 🤍
Your daughters have blood on their hands. I pity them...and you.
Not if you give it up for adoption. If you can't feed a child, you kill it? An ultrasound cannot predict how happy someone's life will be. Give them a chance. Peace
look up the adoption figures in your country and then ask yourself that question again.
There are many places where women can get help. I know of many of them in my community.
To any women out there struggling with hidden pain, know that you are not alone and there is help for you, people who won't judge you and you will have total anonymity.
A person always has the right to put her own health above the health of another.
If I don't want to donate a lung because my future plans feature me with both lungs, you have no right to FORCE me to give a lung, even if another person is dying without one.
Call me selfish if you want, it's still MY body, MY lung.
Don't try to pass a law that says I HAVE TO donate my healthy lung to a dying person, because that implies the health of the dying person is more important than my rights to my body.
This is a beautiful way to silence the stigma of murder (r@pé or really any behavior) and make people feel okay with their choices.
Thank you! So empowering.
My ex-husband, my child's father, was also my rapist. Killing either one of my children wouldn't un-rape me. Killing either one of them wouldn't heal me from that experience in any way, and would certainly only make it WORSE.
A woman's future is equally important to her child's future. A woman can carry to term and give birth while still having a future, contrary to what you think for some reason. Killing a child robs that child of their entire future.
Not the case for everyone so
Yes, you did. You chose not to have an abortion. You chose to continue the pregnancy because that's what you wanted, that's what your moral values told you is right
The option to have an abortion existed, but you didn't take it, THAT'S WHAT HAVING A CHOICE IS
If you didn't love your child you should not be a mother. People who are not capable of being parents should not have children
If a person realizes she is not fit to be a mother and she decided to terminate a pregnancy, respect her choice
By your "logic" killing a born child needs to be legal if the parent decides they are not capable of caring for their children anymore... Oh I mean they should be able to make a CHOICE lol... Some choices should not be legal - like the choice to kill a child and the choice to kill an unborn child.
What 'a shame' that your talk is all about you. How you feel about yourself. Its all about you! I didn't hear one word that talked about the LIFE that was being aborted. Especially as you made a comparison to blowing your nose; as if the unborn child is as unimportant as some nasal snot. At the end of the day, the shame you experience when you take a life is not because other people make you feel it, its because we were born with a conscience, to know right from wrong. And it is inherently wrong to take a life in the womb because its inconvenient to your life style. That's why you feel shame. its really very simple. Don't complicate it by trying to blame other people for your own personal decisions. And the statement by Martin Niemoller should be applied to the unborn child. If no one stands up for them, who will?
The speaker is saying the opposite of what is true. What is true is she has a natural personal shame (regardless of society) and she is using society, in her public speaking, to repress or deny her shame.
So money is more important than the lives of human beings? You wouldn't kill born people so why kill unborn people? There are many people today that live in pain that have happy lives, for those who are not happy - they are people without support but we don't kill them. Eliminate pain not human beings. Eliminate the crisis not human beings. Eliminate expectations for another human being's life story and allow other human being's to create their own life story. Live and let live not kill.
We become human beings at fertilization, when the sperm meets the egg and creates a zygote. Sperm or egg on their own are human parts but zygotes are human wholes (human beings). The sperm is composed of 23 chromosomes, the egg is composed of 23 chromosomes and the zygote is composed of both (46). So the answer is no, a woman isn't committing murder when menstruating since she sheds unfertilized eggs. Hope this clears up any confusion.
that's an opinion, not a fact. You don't even have a brain at fertilization, I would argue you're less sentient than a plant
Anya Tindall I’m stating a scientific fact. Perhaps your opinion is that a human being is not a person unless he/she is able to think or function properly. In that case then how about someone who is in a coma but still alive? How about persons with disabilities?
I care equally for both, because they are both human beings. "Hopes and dreams and plans for the future" is not a license for one party to kill the other. I had hopes and dreams and plans for the future before I got pregnant with my daughter, too. The answer was changing my hopes/dreams/plans, NOT killing her. The fact her father raped me wasn't a license to kill her, either.
What was good for you isn't desired by others
@@thunderpooch not being killed is optimal for anyone.
@@annejordan88 not true, no one would commit suicide if you were right
@@alyssarosa1398 people who commit suicide are not exactly in their right mind to know that that’s not the right thing for them. Most people who survive that regret that they ever attempted it.
@@daniellenm395 you don't know who is in their right mind or not. Yes, in some cases mental illness or a psychotic episode can cause a temporary loss of discernment but not in every case. A lot of people commit suicide to end their pain and suffering because it has simply become unbearable. While they may not want to die, they just want the pain to end which is why they end up doing it
Man, this comment section gave me cancer.
You and me both.
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You're right, no man has a right to make choices about a woman's body. Although, "kill" is a bit of a strong word for an abortion.
it isn't too strong if that's what people tell you that having an abortion is...in fact i was accosted by a "pro life" protester who told me i was committing murder.
Shame spirals, parochialism, oppression of women etc. etc. Abortion is the killing of another human being. It's rather curious that we're never reminded of that by pro-choice.
lol, "anti-woman agenda". I am not a woman, nor is my daughter, apparently. The reason I fight is because I "decided [I] didn't want to be pregnant" with my first child b/c her father was abusive, we were poor, homeless, & I was the only 1 b/w us w/employment that I'd have to quit due to pregnancy. He wanted me to abort her, but even though I didn't want to be pregnant, I was, & she was&in my living daughter. It horrifies me that it would've been legal to have her killed just b/c she was young.
I will not shame women for crushing their own children’s sculls and having their baby’s limbs ripped off one by one so they can then be assembled on a small metal tray to be sure they got all of the parts. Who on earth would actually think an act like that is anything to be ashamed about...
My mother had me just a few days after she turned 20. I have thought a number of times through my life -Did she consider the posibility of aborting me? And immediately after that I'm so happy she didn't, because I exist and I love to live and I love her.
We aren't asked if we want to live, the names we'll have along with a lot more, but to think so many lifes have been interrupted like mine could have makes me so incredibly sad. I was just one cell, we all were, and we are all here fighting every day. I just fucking love to be living, even with al the problems, I just am, and nobody could have known that when I was unicelular.
I think it's sad we live in a world where many people will wonder if their parents at one point wanted to murder them.
@@anarchisttutor7423 sure it is, but that isn't an argument against abortions, believe it or not many living children's parents want them dead, often ones whose parents were denied abortions
"A gestating human being is not MORE important than their pregnant mother. I never said they were." But you do say this. You say this in every. damn. argument.
A fetus is more important than a woman's right to use her own body. A fetus is more important than a woman's physical and mental health. A fetus is more important than a rape victim's need to heal. A fetus is more important than a woman's entire future.
That's what you've been saying all this time. And you have the gall to deny it?
If you support legal abortion, you support killing children, simple as that. If you do not support a child's right to live at every stage of life, you support a parent making the decision to have their child killed regardless of the inherent obligation of a parent/child relationship. You're placing feelings of a parent over the basic human rights of a child. Erasing a child's life is really gross, so don't do that. There is not a "right" not to be a mother at the cost of a child's life.
Yes!! I will not be shamed for my reproductive decisions. And I won't be shaming anybody else for theirs.
You should be ashamed. If you have killed your baby.
Your continued belief that the fetus is not a separate human being, that it is simply another body part of the woman amuses me. Are you saying that you are not actually a unique person, but that you are actually your mother?
Please explain how I'm sticking up for child abusers by trying to guarantee that all women have full reproductive rights without dumbshits trying to decide for them. This should be amusing. Let me get my popcorn.
With abortion discussions you cant use comparisons. Nothing compares to the topics being discussed. Doing so leads to problems...
FYI mental illnesses go WAY BEYOND "hearing voices" and having phobias.
Treatment for them can take years of therapy and/or the consumption of mood changing drugs.
Puzzle me this: a woman is taking a drug to keep her mentally healthy, but this drug is known to cause severe birth defects. If she becomes pregnant, should she stop taking the drug even though this action is GUARANTEED to make her life instantly unbearable?
Shame is a natural reaction when you realized that you did something wrong.
Sarah Griffin shame is also a natural reaction when you think you are at fault for not living up to society standards.
If you think exceptions should be made for rape victims you prove your focus is not on the fetus, but on policing people's sexual behaviour. Rape is sex in the sense that it is sexual intercourse, yes. The fact that sex is a willful act still does not mean a woman is signing her body away. As I've already told you, abortion IS a consequence too, and every bit as valid as birth.
I'm glad I'm out of that relationship, too. However, I didn't "choose" to not to kill my child. It was what I had to do b/c it's wrong for mothers to have their children killed, & should be illegal. I do love my child, but what if I didn't? Should that be a license to kill her? My friend's mother hated him&abused him. Should she have had a license to kill him? He doesn't think so. I don't, either. Realize that circumstances are irrelevant, being female is not a license to kill your child.
Having a mental illness isn't an excuse to kill a child, either. Hearing voices, unreasonable fears, etc.-those things need psychiatric treatment, not child-killing. Killing is not a legitimate course of action to take in order to try and alleviate one's problems. Being FORCED to die is just a bit more unreasonable than being FORCED not to kill your child (not just "your rapist's child", YOUR child, too) for a few months.
There is no legal precedent for a person to be FORCED to nourish another person WITH THEIR BLOOD and there never will be.
Even if a person is dying and desperately needs a blood transfusion, it's completely illegal to take someone's blood without permission.
So why should fetuses be an exception to this?
Good thing that's not the case any longer. Rape is illegal, programs exist to help mothers as they finish their education, and employer discrimination based on pregnancy is also illegal. Mothers have so much more open to them than "barefoot and pregnant". Also, adoption exists, so even if a woman doesn't want to be "saddled" with her child, she doesn't have to kill them.
A woman in a disadvantaged position is usually due to a COMBINATION of factors-not just having children.
What does it matter? Well, if you are a relativist, then nothing, I guess. But then, why stop at pre-natal abortion? Once the fetus is outside the womb, or post-natal (to use cozy innocuous Latin terms) it is much easier to determine whether there are any previously undiscovered defects, and, after all, the criteria by which personhood are defined and determined are extremely elastic, and of course, different in the case of each post-natal fetus, so you may find yourself deciding in the fifth or sixth post-natal trimester that this fetus cannot reasonably be considered viable in terms of taking on the attributes of personhood (Latinate words really do make things nice and cozy, and safe - well, unless you have thoroughly studied Latin). Some people might baulk at this, having arbitrarily decided to call this thing a baby merely because it is outside the womb and are therefore uncomfortable at the idea of terminating at such a late stage, but what does it matter? Well I guess that just depends on who you ask. It is all just relative, right?
Denby Evans That's so sweet. I hope you're vegan and believe in sparing ALL suffering.
I'm not asking or arguing anything, and yes I am vegan. I'm also pro choice. Have a beautiful day.
Maybe you should read the definition of veganism. here it is straight from the vegan society:"A philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." Sure you can take it further to reinforce a belief you may or may not have held in the first place, but to deviate from the actual definition isn't acceptable. You deserve nothing more from me. You have google obviously...punch in some words if you're ever unclear about anything else.
Nope. Not really. I actually have quite a few activist friends in the Pro-Life movement who are post-abortive themselves. They say that the suicidal feelings, depression, shame, and guilt were all coming from inside themselves, even back when they surrounded themselves with other "pro-choicers" patting them on the ass for their "brave decisions" & inflating their confidence-deep down they knew what they did, and it hurt them profoundly. (Silent No More/Rachel's Vineyard)
According to data from National Center for Health Statistics, legalization of abortion wasn't responsible for reducing abortion deaths. The discovery of antibiotics in the 1940's actually reduced deaths by providing treatment for infections. National Center for Heath Statistics shows before 1941, there were 1,400+ abortion deaths. After Penicillin, deaths were reduced in the '50's to approx 250 per yr. By 1966, w/ abortion still illegal in all states, the # of deaths dropped steadily to 120.
I have plenty of compassion. I don't think women have a "duty" to reproduce. The problem is, once a woman is pregnant, she HAS. ALREADY. REPRODUCED!, and a child is alive in existence. What I can't stand is the thought of that child being killed and robbed of their entire lifespan so early in it. You support the execution of an innocent party just because their father happens to be a rapist. You're the one with blood on your hands. That's pretty stomach-turning.
"Maybe I killed a baby.... or maybe I didn't. It doesn't matter, because we won't be silent anymore." Never be ashamed of anything you do kids, that's bad for your self esteem, and Americans need more self esteem.
I believe you missed the point in which she said that most abortions happen right after women find out that they are pregnant, that is, what you call "a baby" is just a bunch of cells, sometimes with no heart or no nervous system, therefore not a person, and not a life. Why do you stand up for a bunch of cells and not for women who, of denied assistence and proper medical care, will probably have a desperate abortion anyway, but this time probably with no assistence and no sanitary conditions?
Early abortions are NOT killing babies.
They are killing embryos that, if not terminated, will become babies.
I am 18 years old and a few days ago I was told I was 6 weeks pregnant. I quit school due to severe mental illness and for similar reasons have no job. I used an IUD, the most effective contraception we have come up with, but it failed - I'm the 0.1%. My mother is poor, and the father has no interest in the child.
If I go through with this pregnancy there is a significant chance I have a stress-induced psychotic episode and throw myself out a window, especially as I will not be able to take my medication.
Is this enough reason to let me have an abortion? What about if I was raped, and thus took no sexual risk at all? What if the unborn baby was literally killing me - should I keep it for the sake of the 5% (for example) chance we both survive?
Are the rights to life of a lentil-sized brainless embryo more valid than my rights to better life chances? Or a life at all?
+Zoe Adams ....thats fake but if you were 18 and having sex...you knew the birth control could fail so you chose to take this risk. if you choose sex you choose to make a baby if your method fails. stop having sex! in the case of rape or health abortion is questionable but the baby of rape didn't ask to be torn apart and there is something called adoption. six week old plus two days the embryo has its own brainwaves plus it has a beating heart. seven weeks it has hiccups. yes reasons for abortions count but most of them are for stupid reasons......
really? so childfree people like me should remain celibate our whole lives because we might experience a contraceptive failure?
@@isabellaoliveira4945 it may not be a “baby” as in the stage of development, but it is your child as in your offspring. You are still killing your child
What about the women inside the womb? Does't she deserve womens rights too?
Yes, she does
Thank You so very much for this wonderful talk! 💜💜💜
The best way to end a conversation is to stop replying, rather than trying to control what others do.
@carolina hernandez you don't have to get an abortion if you don't want to. However with pro-lifers you actually are being controlled and don't get a say in your own future but okay.
Then maybe you should inform yourself. A human embryo/fetus is the offspring of his/her parents. "Offspring" is synonymous with "child". That stands regardless of how old that offspring is.
You're just shoe-horning YOUR definition of a child.
Ask any doctor. A fetus is a fetus and will remain a fetus until birth.
Fetus is Latin for baby
Furthermore, the claim that thousands of maternal deaths occurred due to illegal abortion doesn't measure up when compared with other statistics. About 50,000 women of child-bearing age die each year - from all causes combined. To suggest that 10,000 of these deaths were from illegal abortion would make that the cause of one out of every five deaths, or twenty percent. This would have made illegal abortion the leading cause of death among women in that age group.
See, that's where you're not getting it. Your emphasis is on "SOME WOMEN CHOOSE..." when it should be on "THEIR...CHILD". One decision IS more morally right than the other, because it doesn't result in the taking of a very young child's life. But I agree-let's not tell other ppl what to do w/their bodies & their lives. Namely, let's not tell them to die and their bodies to be destroyed. It's not our place.
Wrong. Parents have obligations to use their bodies to provide for offspring as long as they have default custody. Whether that means using your body to work a job to get money to provide for that child, or in the case of a preg mother, gestating that child. Bodily autonomy rights are not absolute always.
I'm not raising my daughter to hate other women. I'm raising her to understand that the fact she was conceived under bad circumstances doesn't mean I should've had a right to have her killed.
Why do anti-choicers say that an abortion is a punishment on the fetus? The fetus has no conscience or self-awareness. You cannot "punish" something that cannot tell the difference between right and wrong. Makes about as much sense as "punishing" a plant.
Rape victims are not exacting a revenge fantasy when they get an abortion. They are simply solving a situation that they don't want, which is being pregnant. They don't want their rapist's baby, which I think is understandable.
No 1's "forcing women* give birth". Rape's illegal, and no 1's advocating compulsory insemination or embryo implantation. Preg & birth happen naturally on their own after coitus. Gestating children use their own organs. The placenta is shared by mother&child. "You cannot say that the life of 1 person is worth more than the life of another." But I'm not saying that. You are, by supporting abortion. Preg&birth isn't violation, it's parenting. Parents don't have a right to kill "unwanted children".
"And I couldn't care less how old you are or aren't." It happens to be directly relevant to what you are saying- you said you weren't saying anything personal to me, but it is because it concerns women my age.
This video is a good example of linguistic relativity. I always see the same dull tactic used by pro-choice, religion and politics, in that they try to maneuver the semantics of words and try to weave that into a "logical" argument. It is their way in which to alter perceptions without any real basis.
Why don't you give an example from the video of one or two of these "maneuvers?"
Science is the basis. We now know that at implantation the baby has a brain and consciousness. I am an abortion survivor in the 8th week of my mothers pregnancy. I had traumatic undescribable night terrors until I found out this truth. 8 weeks into the pregnancy I had consciousness and memory of the murder of my twin. Science proves heart beat is established by a circulatory system that can only be established by a brain. So now that we know it's a baby and murder of one, we need alternatives. 1 easier and less costly adoptions. 2 programs to house and care for pregnant girls where their parents have exiled them. 3 abstinence and the why's behind it. 4 all employers must provide free child care. 5 The men must be held accountable by forcing them to take on employment to support their unwanted children. ..... Get the point?
@@TINAROSE8888 your cobtribution is brilliant. No way to argue
@@catalinaguzmancantante212 there is. Mima hasn't shown any ways in which we could implement these measures or any understanding of the complexity of these situations. Yes, in a perfect world no one would have abortions, but our world is far from perfect and sometimes abortions are the way to reduce the most amount of suffering possible.
If infants were separated from an adult caregiver for a given length of time, you'd find them to not be very independent organisms, either. Separate a kidney patient's blood supply from their dialysis machine, & THEY wouldn't be very independent, either. The gestating child is not attached to their mother's blood supply. They have their own blood supply. "We also know biochemically that it is an independent organism distinct from the mother."-Dr. Bernard Nathanson, co-founder of NARAL
LOL are you saying that just because the mother's blood mixes with the fetus's through the umbilical cord, her contribution is irrelevant? Seriously?
Nobody is legally obligated to nourish a fetus with their blood.
Yes, denying a woman her right to get an abortion means she will be FORCED to continue the pregnancy. Is this concept too fucking hard to understand?
Pregnancies can be terminated, if it's not terminated when the woman wants, she's being forced.
might i also say, that any of you women that have never had an abortion or have never been pregnant have no right to speak here and need to keep their ridiculous and ignorant opinions to themselves. that means all of you who have been arguing with me for so long. you dont the pain on the other side. so, im asking you out of respect to not speak in favor of this ignorance.
LOL and what I find hilarious is that you, men, are so pro-life. You have never been pregnant and will never be pregnant, so what makes you think you can dictate what a women can choose to do with her body?
Justin Buckner ok, thanks for telling me, a woman who's never had an abortion or never been pregnant, that I don't have a right to speak, Justin. Please share your stories of getting an abortion, you uterus-lacking piece of filth.
No more than having an abortion will.
I'm speaking for people who can't speak for themselves.
I'm speaking for people who I know who wouldn't have wanted to die due to their mothers' poor circumstances.
"THEY ARE NOT YOU." is not an excuse to look the other way while ppl are killed.
P.S. Pro-Lifers are out there working to make sure rapists don't get/have rights. Look up Rebecca Kiessling. She was conceived in rape, and deserved to live. Her mom tried to abort her a few times, too.
Having shame when we have failed to be honorable is normal. It is not having shame when we should that is the problem.
+Ron Parks Is there any part of having consensual sex which is dis-honourable?
What part of voluntarily terminating the pregnancy of a non-sentient, non-sapient, will-less and never conscious zygote/embryo/fetus is dis-honourable?
Well if you take an expectant mother and terminate her pregnancy against her will, that is considered murder... so then, what makes it life is whether it is wanted or not? That makes about as much since as someone killing you while you are asleep (unconscious) because they didn't really want to be bothered with you. At least you got to live... Children taken from the womb never had that chance. It's just a mater of taking a life, often carelessly created, for the convenience of someone who, due to their more advanced stage of development, has the upper hand over a helpless unborn person. That, sir, is dishonorable... but easily hidden.
+Ron Parks - Nowhere in the world is abortion considered legally, murder. That is a term that religious bigots with womb envy invented. For the simple reason that a murder is the illegal killing of a person against their will.
So first you have to define a person like us and contrast that with a zygote/embryo/fetus which is non-sentient, non-sapient, never conscious and will-less, and of course though a long term potential is possible, there is no actuality, and therefore no actuality of murder. Halting a pregnancy is not murder.
Legal sexual activity is not your concern, with respect, so making blanket disparaging comments about women or girls who make these decisions when an untoward pregnancy occurs shows disregard for their humanity and ignorance from assumptions on your part in my opinion.
+Ron Parks have you ever adopted a child with severe special needs? Or adopted a child from a poor teenage mother?
Unless you do something to help the problem of unwanted babies, condemning those who terminate their unwanted children is hypocrisy.
If you got a woman pregnant, or a sister or friend got pregnant and she didn't want it, would you agree to raise it for her to prevent it from being terminated? If not, you are no more honourable than she is.
And before you say it, it is not her burden because she was the one who "got pregnant". Maybe she used the safest contraceptive methods available and they failed. Maybe she was assaulted. Maybe she wanted the baby originally but lost her job etc after conception.
It is hypocrisy to condemn those who abort unwanted babies without offering to care for them yourself.
I would love to hear how your tune changes if you were a woman.
What is "zaikast" I am Polish, don't understand it.I am ashamed for being Polish.
My friends father had an abortion clinic. He was an alcoholic and hang himself, his wife had a car accident and his daughter killed herself. I am ashamed.
To solve this problem sign for adoption of the child.
@3:00 "Shame" is an emotion inherently part of natural mentality of people. The mind cannot feel or generate emotions that are not innate mental capacities or dispositions. Thus it is illogical to say society causes people to feel shame. Society cannot elicit emotions that do not innately exist. This is why the speaker is in denial and obviously repressing her natural remorse with her publicly expressed delusions. Rather than society causing shame, this speaker is using society to repress her shame. It this lady was alone, in isolation, she would feel the remorse & regret for her actions.
Shame is a huge issue in abortion obviously. However what she didn't mention is what is most troubling - the reason why. If this is simply a misguided feeling then simply say so, however the issue of life should be handled with care. So there should be emotional weight attached to the issue and simply try to whisk shame away without dealing with the underlying cause is weak. That is simply denial and not something that should be striven for. We can deal with the issue of abortion but let's not pretend that there isn't a life in the middle of it. (Read a textbook sperm + egg = conception ---> the beginning of life) People who don't are always going to leave themselves open because anyone could point out that this is a cowardly way to deal with such a serious issue.
Like toddler & adolescent, the terms "fetus” doesn't refer to non-humans but to humans at particular stages of development. Human beings inside the womb are smaller, less developed, & more dependent than human beings outside the womb. These are differences of degree, not differences of kind. We can point to other people who are bigger, stronger, smarter, or less dependent than we are, but that doesn't make our lives any less valuable or any less deserving of protection.
This message is frightening. If there should be no shame in killing an unborn child then there should be no shame in killing children at Sandy Hook Elementary, no shame in killing people at the Aurora movie theater, no shame in killing Jews in the Holocaust, etc. The victims are people in all circumstances -- born and unborn people, young and old people, Jewish and non-Jewish people. This talk breaks my heart.
This message isn't about no shame in KILLING. It is about having no shame in an abortion. They're different things.
@@loveamazingstuff12 Abortion is KILLING the unborn child, so no, they are not different things. Carolyn Horton is right.
I didn't realize that there were any children involved in an abortion.
All I have to say - is that anyone who thinks a woman does not have a right to her own body is pro-rape. Or pro-slavery. Or pro-violation of women.
Simple - if you want to take away a woman's right to her body, you are one or all of those things.
Who has the right to someone else's body?
No one.
And no one should.
yes, that is correct. However, it isn't a separate entity yet. It's still just part of the mother.
Some women choose to carry their abusive partner's child. Kudos to them. Some women decide they cannot psychologically handle that. Kudos to them too. Neither decision is more morally right than the other.
Point is: let's NOT tell people what to do with their bodies and with their lives, because it's not our place.
I don't think a fetus is a child. By medical and legal definition, a fetus is not a baby.
But that's irrelevant.
What I'm really about is the right to body autonomy.
Imagine that you have type XZY blood, which is extremely rare. Another person with that type needs a transfusion. How would you feel if the hospital took your blood WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION TO DO SO?
It's not about your right to kill that person, it's about your right NOT to have your blood taken from you without permission.
Forcing women* give birth sounds downright medieval. What's that you were saying about the dark ages?
Using people's organs and blood without their permission is a human rights violation. You cannot say that the life of one person is worth more than the life of another. You cannot violate the rights of one person to save another, that's not how it works. You cannot violate the woman to save the fetus.
Forced blood giving is not a thing.
Forced organ giving is not a thing.
" The mother's body and the child's body are separate therefore the woman can only control her body to the extent that she doesn't hurt the child's body."
Says who? The fetus is INSIDE her. It's IN HER UTERUS. The uterus belongs to HER.
It doesn't belong to you.
It doesn't belong to the fetus.
It belongs to her and she alone dictates what happens to it. And if she decided she doesn't want anything inside it, then the fetus has to go.
God put that child there, who the gives you the right to destroy that child, go to God with that one. You will rudely awakened.
Love was not on my mind when I was pregnant w/my 1st child. So what? That doesn't mean it was ALWAYS the case, & killing her would've been a permanent "solution" to a temporary problem. Ppl who are not capable of being parents should not have children. I agree. Problem is, if pregnant, they've already got at least one child already. I'm not going to respect the choice of a mother to have her child killed. Ever. I cannot and will not "respect" that.
I care about a woman's right to her own body. If she does NOT want to see her internal organs invaded by unwanted organisms, she has the right to remove these organisms. Nobody has the right to force her to keep unwanted entities inside her body, because HER body belongs to HER.
It would be murder to kill the baby girl in your example because she has already been born, ergo she's not occupying someone else's internal organs. Once you're born you're an independent living creature.
Women should NOT be able to get an abortion without written consent from the father. Period. She didn't make that baby on her own.
My body my choice starts before conception. Far too many women use abortion as birth control.
Not a single one uses abortion as birth control. Please educate yourself. (I don't know if you are even aware of the irony that you shame women BELOW THIS VIDEO. Not sure if you even watched it or understood her points..)
@@meisekohl8765 Not women as in general, we’re referring to baby killing women.
"I don't think a fetus is a child." That's your lack of comprehension-not my problem. "By medical and legal definition, a fetus is not a baby." I never said they were. One can be a child of one's parents without being a baby. I'm about the right to body autonomy, too. That's why I'm against abortion. Bodily autonomy begins in utero with uncompromised bodily integrity.
I too believe that it is wrong for an individual to control someone else's body. That's why I'm against abortion. Abortion involves someone (the woman) controlling another person's body (the unborn). The mother's body and the child's body are separate therefore the woman can only control her body to the extent that she doesn't hurt the child's body. Maintaining pregnancy is simply doing for the unborn what parents must do for the born, which is to provide shelter and nourishment.
No, killing a child is murder. A fetus is a potential person. By your argument, it's murder to have sex with a condom.
No, I'm not. I'll ask a doctor if a fetus is offspring, and if offspring is a child of its parents. I think I know what they'll say! A fetus is a fetus and will remain a fetus until birth. However, "fetus" and "child" are not mutually exclusive, & as a matter of fact, they imply each other.
This is the problem: she said nothing about the issue of whether or not abortion does take the life of a child. Sure no one wants there to be shame. But how can we talk about shame when there is no mention of the moral core of the argument for life? Are we going to give up right and wrong? I think that we should deal with the problem head on even if there are cases of abortion. There are legitimate cases for abortion. But let's not pretend that abortion is the same as losing a fingernail.
A patriarchal society will benefit more by keeping a woman barefoot and pregnant (because then she's not out there getting an education and a job) It's easier to oppress someone by tying them down and saddling them with children they don't want or are not ready to have is a way of doing that.
It's been proven that when women CHOOSE when and how they become mothers theirs and the quality of life of their children vastly improve.
I want children to have a good quality of life, don't you?
By the yr before Roe v. Wade allowing legal abortion on demand in all 50 states, the death rate for illegal abortions had fallen to 24 in '72 (w/25 additn'l deaths as a result of legal abortions). In '73, there should've been a drop in abortion-related deaths w/abortion legal in all 50 states & "back-alley abortions" eliminated w/ their alleged total of maternal deaths. Yet abortion-related deaths increased again w/ 25 deaths resulting from legal abortion in '73, 26 in '74 and 29 in '75.
? Did I say they weren't? Oh-I thought I had personally insulted you, if you aren't offended, what's the issue? "I also never said that "their wishes over their own pregnancies are irrelevant effectivley"."If you believe they shouldn't have the optionof abortion then yes, that is what you believe. "to make sure they are considering more than themselves." Firstly grown women do not need you to 'make sure' they are properly considering things, 2nd- why on earth should they?
From an embryology textbook used my medical students in UBC confirms:
"Human development begins at fertilization [emphasis in original], the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell, the zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell is the beginning of embryonic development." (Moore & Persaud)
My boyfriend , who i ve been with only for one and a half month, wanted to have a baby, so one day he came inside me, he only confess after some days , it only happened once.... i guess, i got pregnant, i don't love him, i have no job or money to support a baby, his ego flying high, he doesn't care about me, he wants to manipulate me..... do you think is fair to keep the baby ? ..... If abortion is a murder then all guverments should financialy support women to keep their babies .....is it fair ? Where is the justice?.....who will support me now? How will i work and grow a child by myself? .... or should i live with a selfish man that i don't love, just to support the baby.... and will this be fair for the baby? To have parents that they don't love each other? IS IT FAIR people? Speak Up !!!!! cause i m loosing my mind, fear is all i see..... where is the LOVE ? And if God gave me this task , and if i fell small and scared right now.... then God will understand, God will accept me and understand that if i don't keep the baby it was fear that got place into me ... support those women ... we suffer more than anyone else that just talks about abortion without understanding
MusicAndOtherColors abortion is the murder of an innocent baby
I was a fetus at one point in my life. Should I be ashamed to have gone through that part of my life? I was respiring through oxygen passed into my blood through the placenta. I'm not sure what if anything I was thinking then-but I don't remember my thoughts at 2 years old, either. Doesn't mean I wasn't a person. Take your indignation and opposition to basic human rights for all children and shove them.
I think, in my opinion, she was not giving a debate about having an abortion or not. She said that any woman who have had an abortion needs, Like every other person the right to open Up about their decision and ends the stigma. A lot of young girls starting to commit suicide because of the huge regret they feel and cant find redemption or help.
its a strong personal opinion. But for good or for bad, the abortion in this situacion had already take place. we need to support woman who feel in pain and in need to share their expirience.
I think everybody lives with their own demons & problems. And that's enough. Let's talk about our opinions and problems without censure.
You don't see how someone can make a 'moral case' for removing an organism from their body that they don't want in their body? Is there any other case where you think it is morally acceptable to use someone's body as a means to an end? It is irrelevant that conception is a possible consequence of sex, because it's not a contract. Women do not sign away their rights to make choices over their own body when they have sex.
Abortion is legal and so is bankruptcy and I would feel shame to have resorted to either.
...resorting to bankruptcy? Do you know what that is?
i like what she said in general, but i don't get her point about ultrasounds. in the uk you have to have an ultrasound to get an abortion, its not an attempt to violate or shame the women, its because its important that the doctor can confirm you are definitely pregnant before carrying out a potentially dangerous and unnecessary procedure. attempting to carry out an abortion on a woman who it turned out wasnt actually pregnant could be very dangerous.
If it's considered murder to kill a child then abortion is also murder because the preborn is also alive and human.
No woman makes her choice lightly. No couples make their choice lightly. Please respect people’s decisions. I know I’m not alone when I say I wish the world were perfect... but it isn’t. I know it can be difficult to understand, but when someone discloses their unplanned pregnancy to you, remember you aren’t the person whose life is utterly changed. You aren’t the person who has to live with such a heavy decision. But what you CAN do is be their friend and listen to them and support them, no matter what they decide to happen. They need you. They came to you for a reason, because they knew you wouldn’t judge them. I chose to support my friend because I knew she would do the same for me. And I don’t regret it. Please respect people’s decisions. They NEED YOU. Because it’s them against the world. If not you, then who is going to stand by them? Remember you are not alone. Spread the love, not the hate. God bless everyone to feel confident in making the best decisions for themselves and not regret them. Amen.
I. Had one I Hever knew how much my life my mental and emotional health would be destroyed after doing it I suffer to this day over that choice